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Weta Digital Grows Cluster

Korgan writes "A little over 3 years after their last upgrade, Weta Digital has just added another 250 more blade servers to their render farm to help with the final renderings of King Kong. From the article: "The IBM Xeon blade servers, each with two 3.4 gigahertz processors and 8 gigabytes of memory, are housed at the New Zealand Supercomputing Centre in central Wellington. They have been added to the centre's existing bank of 1144 Intel 2.8GHz processors, boosting its power by 50 per cent to create a supercomputer with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs. The servers run the Red Hat version of the open-source Linux operating system. The purchase means the centre is back among the 100 largest supercomputing clusters in the world." And all that computing power is still available for hire when Peter Jackson isn't using it."

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  1. Export restrictions? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, out of curiosity. What happened to the export restrictions of the US government on CPU's beyond a certain MIPS range? I remember that the old PowerMac 9600/300 eclipsed this federally mandated figure and now we have home game consoles that easily eclipse that performance range. Certainly the advent of cluster computing with commodity hardware made many of these issues moot, but what is the status of the law? Was it repealed or is it just commonly ignored?

    I know that historically, NeXT did quite a bit of work for TLA agencies and that Richard Crandall's program, zilla.app grabbed some attention from interested parties. Because of this work, NeXT had some cash infusion for their hardware even after shutting the line down for general commercial consumption. More recently, Apple has been selling Xserves to some of those same agencies, and contractors for work, but I do not know if they are selling any clusters outside the US?

    The history of course behind this law was that the CIA and NSA were concerned that foreign governments could use compute time to help design nuclear weapons as well as defeat cryptography that might compromise US secrets.

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    1. Re:Export restrictions? by millahtime · · Score: 1

      These laws may still be in place. But, businesses have evolved to be international companies. This could have been done by a non-us division. They designed, built, and sold it with no us division involved then US law would not apply. Or, am I totally off base here?

    2. Re:Export restrictions? by 14erCleaner · · Score: 5, Informative
      They've been eased over the years, e.g. here is a list of articles.

      In 2002 it was upped to 195,000 million theoretical operations per second, and the limit goes up automatically every six months. A typical PC in 2002 was 2000 MTOPs, so this allows export of some rather big honking systems.

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    3. Re:Export restrictions? by AceCaseOR · · Score: 2, Informative

      IANAL, but, as I understand it, with the shipping restrictions, they only apply with shipping those computers to certain companies. If you were shipping to, say, North Korea, Iran, or any number of potentially third-world dictatorships, then you'd probably have problems. However, if you're shipping to Austraila or New Zealand, you probably wouldn't have any problems.

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    4. Re:Export restrictions? by Burann · · Score: 1

      I doubt that New Zeeland have any problems with export restrictions, maybe if the cluster was shipped to Syria, North korea or Iran....

    5. Re:Export restrictions? by Hey+Pope+Felcher+.+. · · Score: 3, Interesting

      . . . export restrictions are generally overcome by the all mighty dollar, and besides hasn't New Zealand merged with Hollywood now?

      More interestingly, can anyone see digital actors quickly surpassing their organic cousins, no matter what Peter Jackson says?

      And slightly more interestingly, when will New Zealand surpass California in flim making, it is the ideal location, with better light, more interesting geography, and (at the moment) far cheaper to work in. There are of course the problems with the remoteness of the location, but with the rapidly shrinking world cliché, this is surely no longer such a problem, especially with the work Mr. Jackson is putting in regarding the logistics.

    6. Re:Export restrictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they still make stuff in the USA? I thought CPUs were all made in Taiwan.

    7. Re:Export restrictions? by grazzy · · Score: 1

      Since when does US care about foreign nations laws?

    8. Re:Export restrictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has nothing to do with their laws, it is US regulation that you do not send them equipment that is powerful to facilitate massive amounts of computational power.

    9. Re:Export restrictions? by nicklott · · Score: 1

      Intel have plants all over the world, I don't think any US export restrictions are going to hamper them selling chips to anywhere. I don't know whether US export restrictions are meant to apply to IP or the physical product, but the fact that they have plants in China suggest neither, as the Chinese aren't going to let the US stop them sending stuff to N Korea if they want to.

    10. Re:Export restrictions? by jjthe2 · · Score: 1

      "when will New Zealand surpass California in flim making"

      Ah, the infamous unintentional Simpsons reference. To paraphrase:

      New Zealand must be hot. They don't need a big ad, or even correct spelling.
      ...I agree with that logic.
      Get me two plane tickets to the continent that New Zealand is in.

    11. Re:Export restrictions? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      More interestingly, can anyone see digital actors quickly surpassing their organic cousins, no matter what Peter Jackson says?

      No. CGI still isn't that good. Especially when Peter Jackson uses it as much as humanly possible, even when it isn't necessary.

      And slightly more interestingly, when will New Zealand surpass California in flim making, it is the ideal location, with better light, more interesting geography, and (at the moment) far cheaper to work in.

      Can't see it. Not many films require the scenery of New Zealand. Even Peter Jackson felt he had to drown it in CGI and overblown helicopter shots. Other than that, there's no reason.

      There are cheaper places to film, but people still use Hollywood. That's where most of the talent is, and the people who people actually want to see on screen. The market for films full of kiwi actors isn't that big. Most of the best directors are in America. New Zealand only has one director of any note, who's only done one film of any note. And even he can't be considered a great director as he lacks subtlety and understatement.

      New Zealand was used for LOTR because of the scenery. The same way obscure rocky landscapes were used for Star Wars, and disused quarries were used for Doctor Who. No-one ever went back there to film anything else.

    12. Re:Export restrictions? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      people still use Hollywood. That's where most of the talent is

      Are you sure?
      So far this year they've given us these;
      The Ballad of Jack and Rose
      Alone in the Dark
      Lord of War
      The Man
      The Corpse Bride
      The Amityville Horror
      Bad News Bears
      Finding Neverland
      The House of D
      Madagascar
      Mr & Mrs Smith
      Riding the Bus with my Sister
      Sahara
      War of the Worlds
      White Noise
      See if you can pick a winner in that lot...
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    13. Re:Export restrictions? by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      New Zealand only has one director of any note, who's only done one film of any note.

      Eh? New Zealand has more than Peter Jackson. For example, Roger Donaldson who is about to premiere "The Fastest Indian" starring Anthony Hopkins, playing a New Zealand character, filmed in New Zealand and to be premiered in New Zealand. Or Niki Caro of "Whale Rider" fame. Or Jane Campion who directed "The Piano" amongst other films. Or Lee Tamahori who's directing credits include "Once were Warriors", an episode of "The Sopranos" and even the James Bond film "Die another Day". Or Andrew Adamson who directed Shrek, Shrek2 and the upcoming "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe". All New Zealanders.

      Not only that but Peter Jackson is much more than "Lord of the Rings", his directing credits also include many films such as "The Frighteners" and the Oscar nominated "Heavenly Creatures".

      And those are just some of the big names I picked off the top of my head.

      New Zealand has a lot of directorial talent for it's paltry 4 million population.

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    14. Re:Export restrictions? by sr180 · · Score: 1
      When very few of the parts are actually made in the US, why would US Export Restrictions apply?

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  2. Clearly... by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly we need a Beowulf cluster to slay this gigantic King Kong cluster!

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    1. Re:Clearly... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

      Rumor has it that Peter Jackson is already considering a King Kong sequel, involving a MechaKingKong running Linux.

      He wanted to have a MechaGodzilla, but it was running a Sony proprietary OS.

    2. Re:Clearly... by Mercano · · Score: 4, Funny

      What about a MechaMozilla, the open source alternative?

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  3. Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's nothing. The people arrested in the story earlier today had the computing power of 100,000 personal computers. Beat that!

    1. Re:Blah by sleeper0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How do you combine 1644 server class ~3ghz CPUss and end up with the power of 15,000 PCs? Only in the marketing department...

    2. Re:Blah by Utopia · · Score: 1

      That must PCs with x286 processors.

    3. Re:Blah by ejito · · Score: 1

      The 15,000 probably wasn't calculated by multiplying GHz -- it's probably done with processing time. RAM would play a huge role in video rendering operations.

      Can their 1.6k server machines really equal the computational time of 15k average PCs? I'm not sure, but I wouldn't doubt it.

    4. Re:Blah by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      The ability to render 3D images on the awesome Intel Extreme onboard graphics versus the cluster dedicated to rendering CGI?

  4. Imagine... by pmike_bauer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...a Beowulf cluster of these.

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    1. Re:Imagine... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I mean, I don't want to be rude or anything but what the hell drove you to press "submit" after having written an idiotic comment like that? What is its purpose? Who do you think would find it funny? Do YOU find it funny? I really am not trolling, I just cannot understand the mindset of someone who recycles the same stupid joke again and again.

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    2. Re:Imagine... by kastberg · · Score: 1

      You're new here, right?

    3. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a shit and unfunny tradition. So was your comment some sort of retort or are you just retarded?

    4. Re:Imagine... by pmike_bauer · · Score: 1

      Wow! You suffer from heart-burn, right?

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    5. Re:Imagine... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why is it that you feel the need to justify an idiotic - slashbotical if you will- comment by unfunilly replying to a comment pointing out that the comment in question was indeed idiotic? Was that the most insightful comment you could muster? If yes, why did you bother?

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    6. Re:Imagine... by brsmith4 · · Score: 1

      You are either a troll or a naive troll-feeder... In any case, most /. people understand that there will be unfulfilled idiots that post inane comments about beowulf clusters, hot grits, and various other unwitty remarks and we simply ignore them. We've known for many years now, young grasshopper, that awarding any such stupidity with a response only lends authority to that stupidity and that we are all the dumber for it. Please, relax, have a beer, take a midol, something. It is the way it is and there is nothing that you, I or anyone else is going to do about it. Feel free to adjust your settings so as not to view any comments below 0, 1 or whatever threshold you feel comfortable with. But also, please spare us your feigned intellect as you try to demonstrate your superiority over the beowulf cluster troll. It only makes you look bad.

    7. Re:Imagine... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      You think I give a shit if I "look bad"? Oh my, LET'S THINK OF THE KARMA! If everyone put down those stupid memetic replies, /. would be a better place, but what the fuck, let's just accept /. for what it is, a place for idiots to just repeat the same "jokes".

      Feel free to reply with "If you don't like it here, leave", that would indeed be the idiotic comment to top them all.

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    8. Re:Imagine... by brsmith4 · · Score: 1

      You think I give a shit if I "look bad"?

      Looking bad has nothing to do with your karma. It means you look like an idiot. I used the word "bad" to sort of tone down my language so I wouldn't insult anyone. If you're content with being viewed as an idiot, then I also am perfectly content to view you as such.

      Feel free to reply with "If you don't like it here, leave", that would indeed be the idiotic comment to top them all.

      If you don't like it... change your settings!

      I offered the suggestion, and never said you should leave. Grow up now, please.

    9. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it here, leave

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      Leave, whether you like it here or not. You suck.

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      If you don't like it here, leave.

    12. Re:Imagine... by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, it leaves if you don't like it here!

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    13. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have had one hell of a bad day to go off over something as mundane as that.

      As pointed out, if you're not happy viewing the posts of that nature, change your settings so you only see comments +1 or better (or +2 or whatever suits you). But flipping out over something as common and boring as that? Seriously, the whole "you must be new here" comment really does seem appropriate.

      No one is forcing you to read those comments. You can just filter them out.

      Still, after your over reaction to a simple common comment, and looking at some of your previous posts, maybe you'd be better off visiting sites like boingboing or similar. Obviously you don't seem to enjoy reading slashdot comments but you're not willing to use the features available to you to filter out the stuff you dislike so much.

    14. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been reviewing your posting history with some of the other ACs and we've decided that you're a complete twat and we want you to leave too.

  5. * sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    render farm to help with the final renderings of King Kong

    Am I the only one who prefers models and stop motion animation to the CGI garbage of the last 15 years?

    1. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things have improved since TRON.

    2. Re:* sigh * by killproc · · Score: 1


      Probably.

      Caliban from "Clash of the Titans" was MUCH more realistic than Gollum in the Rings movies.
      Although I do admit that I do have a certain nostalgia for Grumpy from Land of the Lost (Holly too, if I'm being honest).

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    3. Re:* sigh * by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Funny

      Things have improved since TRON

      Except Jeff Bridges' acting

    4. Re:* sigh * by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

      yes

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    5. Re:* sigh * by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 1

      Bastard! Now I'm gonna have that theme song stuck in my head the rest of the day ... the Peter Griffin version at that

    6. Re:* sigh * by linuxpyro · · Score: 1

      No, luckily, you're not entirely. When someone can do the models/stop motion right, I think it can look pretty good. The CG stuff is nice, but somehow it doesn't look entirely natural to me.

      Not that it's an example of the greatest model work, I thought the cardboard castles in Bruce Campbell vs Army of Darkness were pretty good, even in some cases more believable than the towers in the LOTR movies.

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    7. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And speaking of, Wallace and Gromit was AWESOME. I hardly stopped laughing the whole movie. Brilliant.

      It's really nice to see stop-motion when it's done THAT well.

    8. Re:* sigh * by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      Am I the only one who prefers models and stop motion animation to the CGI garbage of the last 15 years?

      Yet another person that doesn't understand the pure genius of Jar-Jar Binks.

    9. Re:* sigh * by MooUK · · Score: 1

      Is this one of those mysterious definitions of genius that we'd understand better as stupidity?

    10. Re:* sigh * by Comboman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that CG is used so indiscriminately now. In the begining, it was only used to do things that you couldn't do any other way (like the living water in The Abyss or the T1000 morphs in Terminator 2). Now-a-days CG is used as a cost cutting measure to do things that could be done in a more traditional way but would cost a little more. I was watching Raiders of the Lost Ark the other day (which still looks great after 20+ years) and thinking, if they shot that movie today they would have just used CG instead of finding 1000 trained snakes, and it would look like crap.

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    11. Re:* sigh * by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, can't get enough of that Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer. When the snowman sings Silver and Gold while sliding around and twirling his umbrella. Pure genious!

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    12. Re:* sigh * by Total_Wimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Am I the only one who prefers models and stop motion animation to the CGI garbage of the last 15 years?

      It depends on the CG. If I don't notice that it's CG I tend to like it. If it looks like CG I tend to groan.

      Jurassic park was extremely well done CG and I loved it. Spiderman was, well, cartoony at best (but a good story and Kirsten Dunst go a long way). In Gone in Sixty Seconds they should have just used real cars in all the scenes. There was no excuse for CG shenanegans. But the New York scene in AI was flawless and would have been impossible to film in scale models alone.

      Notice a trend? If the director is a master of visuals and refuses to accept compromise (just try to tell Spielberg "that's the best I can do") then your CG is gonna work. If your level of visual excellence is better exemplified by Xena the Warrior Princess then you may just be willing to settle.

      I don't mean to bash Raimi. I loved a lot of his stuff, including Spiderman. But did any of you really think Spiderman's level of CG excellence met the level of Spielberg? Directors and producers need to be more demanding of their digital special effects. They should reject mediocre work as readily as wire work with, well, visible wires.

      TW

    13. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bums will always lose!

    14. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although I'm sure it's a good movie, from the commercials (not even the preview, which I didn't see, but the commercials), stop motion doesn't look at all the great. I could see the... stop... motion, ya know?

    15. Re:* sigh * by John+Whitley · · Score: 1

      Directors and producers need to be more demanding of their digital special effects. They should reject mediocre work as readily as wire work with, well, visible wires.

      s/digital special effects/story and script quality/

      Eye-candy is nice, but there have been so many awful films/shows created with great FX... and so many great stories that succeeded despite cheap FX that I really have to disagree here. I'd greatly prefer to have better stories and scripts than better effects. As an example of the former case, consider the Final Fantasy Movie. The realism of the rendering was really ground-breaking at the time; it was just plain gorgeous. But the movie was hobbled by plain lousy writing.

      Perhaps the archetypical example of the other side is Doctor Who -- lots of great stories by great authors in that show's history... and the notorious BBC low-budget special effects. Effects which many fans came to enjoy _because_ the show was enjoyable without hinging on eye-candy.

    16. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that pretty much all the architecture in LOTR was models and not CG right?

    17. Re:* sigh * by erikharrison · · Score: 1

      It's worth noting that the Lord of the Rings pictures were the biggest use of minitures in film ever. In fact,it is widely credited as having reinvigorated the use of minitures in film

      King Kong is bigger in it's use of minitures - I believe I heard Alex Funke say that the number of minis setups in King Kong was more than all three LotRs films combined.

    18. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It already looks better than real film. I am not saying it looks more realistic, but it does look better.

    19. Re:* sigh * by drsquare · · Score: 1

      (just try to tell Spielberg "that's the best I can do")

      Isn't that what the script-writer for War of the Worlds did?

    20. Re:* sigh * by fbg111 · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to bash Raimi. I loved a lot of his stuff, including Spiderman. But did any of you really think Spiderman's level of CG excellence met the level of Spielberg?

      Man, some of you guys are picky about your fx. I thought I was picky, and have been about 3d games for a long time, but I didn't notice much difference between Spiderman and AI's CG. Maybe overall CG technology and talent has exceeded my capability to distinguish between good and bad, or maybe I just don't notice the little things anymore, but can somebody please enlighten me as to what makes good CG and what makes great CG these days? Especially the difference between Spiderman/2 and AI CG?

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    21. Re:* sigh * by Bnonn · · Score: 1

      No. Crazy people almost invariably come in groups.

    22. Re:* sigh * by Bnonn · · Score: 1
      It depends on the CG. If I don't notice that it's CG I tend to like it. If it looks like CG I tend to groan.

      Why, exactly? Stop animation looks like models, but you don't groan at that, surely? Interesting comparison.

    23. Re:* sigh * by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      Maybe overall CG technology and talent has exceeded my capability to distinguish between good and bad, or maybe I just don't notice the little things anymore, but can somebody please enlighten me as to what makes good CG and what makes great CG these days?

      This is simple and it's really the same as the criteria for any special effect. Does it look like a special effect?

      In Jurrasic park on many of the scenes it was hard for me to imagine I wasn't looking at a real dinosaur. Not all of AI had perfect special effects, but on the New York scene I found it difficult to believe I wasn't looking at New York under water.

      In Spider Man I was constantly being reminded I was looking at a computer generated image. Even on relatively static shots the way the light bounced off the costume, especially the eyes, looked like a computer had done it. In movement, in mass, in interaction with physical objects, I was constantly reminded that at least part of what I was looking at was not real.

      I'm not saying the CG artists weren't doing a great job. I would absolutely love to play a video game or watch a completely animated film with this level of CG. But the live-action movie called Spiderman was attempting to make all the scenes look like they were live action and the CG just wasn't quite good enough for me to suspend my disbelief about the life of it all.

      I know that many would consider me overly critical in this area, and maybe I am. Both me and quite a few million others have really enjoyed Spiderman. The thing is, I've seen CG that was so good that I didn't notice it was CG so I know it's an attainable goal. When I see a film that doesn't meet those standards, I can't help but notice. If you can consitantly spot the tricks of the magician it's awfully easy to grow board of the show.

      TW

    24. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick point of clarification - Spiderman wasn't *supposed* to look 'real' - the movie's effects were intentionally done to have a 'comic book feel'. Therefore, you noticed something you were supposed to, not something you weren't. I wish I had a link for where I read this, but it's briefly mentioned here:
      http://www.totaldvd.net/cgi-bin/dvdreviews.php?dvd id=6156

      There was thought behind this.

    25. Re:* sigh * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, considering that the towers in the LotR movies were all models.

    26. Re:* sigh * by linuxpyro · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. Although it has had some interesting, more artistic applications, like in Sin City. They could have used real sets, but the CG environment created a great atmosphere. But for the most part I agree that it is a sign of the cheapness of Hollywood nowadays.

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    27. Re:* sigh * by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      Spiderman was, well, cartoony at best
      I think that was the idea...
  6. power draw by dreadlocks · · Score: 5, Funny

    that's why the lights dim in Wellington when the cluster is rendering

    1. Re:power draw by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      that's why the lights dim in Wellington when the cluster is rendering

      And there was me thinking it was the rats again!

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    2. Re:power draw by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 3, Funny

      You have no idea how hard it is for an Australian to resist making a joke about dim lights in Wellington having nothing to do with the power grid...oh, whoops...

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    3. Re:power draw by shokk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously, I would love to see an article, not on what their render farm is like, but on what their power management for it is like. Do they use remote-managed power strips or are they all just popped in, hoping that they don't blow a fuse. How many UPSs do they have and what kind of on-battery runtime do they shoot for?

      What kind of power draw do the blade chassis have? What blades? What version of Red Hat?!?!?!

      Unfortunately TFA is very short on details and reads more like "Peter Jackson went out and bought 500 computers! Woo!"

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    4. Re:power draw by Fx.Dr · · Score: 1

      Nah, they were just trying out the latest Windows Vista beta.

    5. Re:power draw by killtherat · · Score: 1

      What kind of power draw do the blade chassis have? What blades? What version of Red Hat?!?!?!

      From my experience, a blade chassis runs with 4 1875 Watt power units (they have more powerful models). Each of the 14 blades is budgeted a maximum of around 210 to 260 watts (dependent on model). Given the CPU speed described, I would imagine that is the 2CPU xeon model, ie the HS20

      If they are running IBM cluster managment tools, like CSM (which would be very probable given that it has a module designed to interface directly with the blade chassis management system), that would mean the are limited to the CSM support list.

    6. Re:power draw by shokk · · Score: 1

      So how would you power a 42U rack full of these 7U IBM BladeCenters given N 30-Amp or M 20-Amp circuits? I would think that this draws around 16A so you wouldn't be able to place two on a 30A circuit - you would want to have one per 20A circuit, or 6 circuits per rack. In a data center with racks and racks of these, that must be some crazy electric bill.

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    7. Re:power draw by Hugh+Macdonald · · Score: 1

      To reply to one of your questions, StudioLinux.com has details on the setup of a lot of VFX/animation studios around the world....

      To quote from the Weta page:

      Desktop Hardware
              IBM XZPro 6223
              dual 3.4 GHz Nacona CPUs
              NVIDIA Quadro FX 1300
      RenderFarm Hardware
              dual 2.8 GHz
      Operating System
              RedHat 9 (deployed)
              Kernel: 2.4/2.6
              Compiler: gcc 3.3.4
              Glibc: 2.3.2, with NPTL
              X: XFree86 v4.3
              Desktop: KDE 3.1
              Package Management: standard RPM

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  7. Article text by BWJones · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yikes, It seems like most stuff linked to New Zealand go down pretty quick after being linked on Slashdot, so....

    Weta spends up on blade servers
    10 October 2005

    Weta Digital has bought 250 more blade servers with a total list price of between $2 million and $3 million to complete post-production work on Peter Jackson's King Kong, due out in January.

    The IBM Xeon blade servers, each with two 3.4 gigahertz processors and 8 gigabytes of memory, are housed at the New Zealand Supercomputing Centre in central Wellington. They have been added to the centre's existing bank of 1144 Intel 2.8GHz processors, boosting its power by 50 per cent to create a supercomputer with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs. The servers run the Red Hat version of the open-source Linux operating system. The purchase means the centre is back among the 100 largest supercomputing clusters in the world. Weta Digital has another bank of 500 blade servers in Miramar. It bought the processors that now make up the centre to finish the special effects for The Return of the King, after running out of space in its computer rooms in Miramar. The centre is a joint venture between Weta and Telecom-owned Gen-i, which supplied the latest batch of processors. Other businesses using the centre include a chip maker, a biotech company and a yacht designer.

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    1. Re:Article text by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Anyone else wonder how a bank with only 1,644 CPUs has the power of nearly 15,000 PCs? A Xeon is worth almost 10 regular pentium chips????

    2. Re:Article text by Cromac · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're still using PII 266 for PCs in New Zealand.

    3. Re:Article text by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I am more curious about the rendering software on the redhat system that knows how to "symmetrically" use that many processors on the cluster.

    4. Re:Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rendering software is fairly trivial to multiprocess. Send the same data to all the systems, give each of them a specific frame to render, i.e. the more computers, the more fps.

  8. Re:King Kong? by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sad to say that the pr0n industry has ruined this movie title forever.

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  9. Obligatory by David+Horn · · Score: 0

    ...can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?

    "Thank you ladies and gentlemen, I'll be here all week. OK, who threw the brick??!!"

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    1. Re:Obligatory by frank378 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yes, obligatory.

      In Soviet Russia, cluster grow you.

    2. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to Fark

  10. 15,000 PCs? That's downright puny! by davidwr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    My friend's botnet had 100,000 until da fuzz dismantled it.

    Disclaimer: just kidding about the "friend" part. The botnet-gods should rot in jail for awhile.

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  11. Explain this "new" math to me... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have been added to the centre's existing bank of 1144 Intel 2.8GHz processors, boosting its power by 50 per cent to create a supercomputer with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs

    Total processors: 1644.

    Now, the Xeons do a bit better than the run-of-the-mill P4, but 10x faster? No way.

    For that matter, they don't run faster at all. They just do somewhat better (as in, 10-25%, not 913%) on certain types of memory-heavy tasks.

    Someone either made a major typo or pulled numbers from their netherregion...

    1. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Intel found they actually DO run 10x when inverted, and NZ and Aust prevailed on them to keep it a secret...

    2. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by cuyler · · Score: 1

      Not surprising.

      You have 1144 2.4 GHz CPU's in the old cluster.
      You add 250 dual 3.4GHz Xeon blade systems.
      You also have an increase of 50% in performance.

      That means that 250 of the new systems is roughly equal to 572 of the old systems.

      If they are single CPU 2.8 GHz P4's that mean it's just 250*2 = 500 3.4 GHz CPUs to 572 2.4 GHz CPUs. Or a 14.4% increase in performance per CPU for the upgrade of 2.8 GHz to 3.4 GHz (a 21% increase in CPU clock speed).

    3. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 250 added blade servers each have two 3.4 GHz CPus, while the existing 1144 only had two 2.6 GHz CPUs.

      Every two new servers is approx. as powerful as three old servers. It is more like they are now running 1519 dual 2.4 Ghz machines, or 3038 2.4 GHz cores.

      Also, remember that a 2.4 GHz is faster than two 1.2 Ghz chips, because of instruction set improvements.

      So, I would not say it would be far off to say that this cluster is approx. the computing power of 15,000 1 - 1.5 GHz machines. This is probably what they are basing the numbers off of.

    4. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1

      I think they were referring to amount of power drawn by the system...

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    5. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Surt · · Score: 1

      No, actually they're a gross underestimate, because you see, they're comparing to the power of 15,000 original IBM PC's.

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    6. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Surt · · Score: 1

      And the more serious reply:

      You can get greater than linear speedup on a system like this because you can keep more of your task in memory. Imagine you need to render 1000G of frames. This system probably has 1000G of memory, whereas any desktop system would have to move that data onto and off of a disk, which is > an additional 10x slower. So hypothetically, it is possible that this monster system renders at 15k times the speed they can get off of a single pc.

      Of course, I believe they just erred in their numbers.

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    7. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs ...

      Total processors: 1644

      Now, the Xeons do a bit better than the run-of-the-mill P4, but 10x faster? No way.


      I caught the math/editorial error as well. I'm guessing its supposed to be the equivalent to 1,500 PCs, that is what I would say. Also, AFAIK Xeons and Pentiums are the same besides the unlocking of the SMP mechanism and more options for cache which may help specific applications. A guy I work with has benchmarked Xeons and Pentiums, and has found that clock per clock they are the same. Aside from the cache and the SMP, I've always thought that "Xeon" was just a marketing term for a "server pentium".

    8. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I find one of these mythical 1 - 1.5GHz PCs? The slowest chip that Dell is selling (in their $350 Dimension 2400) is a 2.4GHz Celeron.

    9. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Aggrazel · · Score: 1

      The new stuff runs 64 bit code and also can address larger blocks of memory.

      The old stuff was limited to 32 bit code.

    10. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by databyss · · Score: 1

      How many Moon Landers is that?

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    11. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      You can get greater than linear speedup on a system like this because you can keep more of your task in memory.

      This in supercomputing circles is called superlinear speedup and it is defined that by using X number of processors, you get performance greater than X*n processors. And, to my knowledge it is only achieved when applications are able to keep a good part of their program on the processors cache, not the main system memory. If memory was the limitation and not CPU power, then throwing a ton of memory in a box is much cheaper than throwing CPUs and memory in multiple boxes.

    12. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Surt · · Score: 1

      150,000. Per http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonglos sary/moontrivia.htm which i'm sure is authoritative.

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    13. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by greenegg77 · · Score: 1

      "Someone either made a major typo or pulled numbers from their netherregion...

      It's all in the exchange rate... see a New Zealand P4 2.8ghz = US P4 1.9ghz. Factor in the Xeons and then compare that to PCs running in Mexico, where an NZ P4 2.8ghz = MX 486 20mhz and you easily get your 15,000 PCs.

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    14. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by garver · · Score: 1

      These are Xeons. I think they left out the word "consumption": ... eqivalent power consumption of nearly 15,000 PCs.

    15. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Someone either made a major typo or pulled numbers from their netherregion...


      Is that Scandinavian?
    16. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by RailGunner · · Score: 1
      And, to my knowledge it is only achieved when applications are able to keep a good part of their program on the processors cache, not the main system memory.

      Exactly, which is why P4 Xeons still out perform the AMD Opteron for some memory intensive tasks - faster clock rate -> faster cache speed.

      The big problem with the P4 architecture is how often the CPU is starved for data, however, something that AMD Opterons (especially the dual core) are able to overcome.

      If memory was the limitation and not CPU power, then throwing a ton of memory in a box is much cheaper than throwing CPUs and memory in multiple boxes.

      I think you're confusing cache memory with system RAM here. If an algorithm is memory bound adding more RAM isn't going to help (unless you're preventing disk swap) because you're still waiting on the CPU to get more data from RAM.

      Doubling the amount of CPU cache, on the other hand, will make a significant difference.

    17. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by vertinox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now, the Xeons do a bit better than the run-of-the-mill P4, but 10x faster? No way.

      You have to understands this is rendering and not actual tasks of running a multi-threaded desktop environment. If they were using something like Maya3d or their own inhouse app... The answer is yes way.

      When you render to 3d it uses all of the cpu and every cpu you have and every register on the cpu and cache if the rendering software is up to snuff. So what you are looking for is raw computer horsepower. Each cpu can effectively reduce your render time by half (this is in theory because if one scene has more detail/polygons than another than the cpu that is given those frames to render will take longer, but most of the time the quality is the same), but with high end rendering you are looking as massive amounts of time spent rendering depending on how many frames and how high of quality (resolution) you are shooting for.

      Although I am only familiar with low end Maya3d setups. My hunch is they have customized their OS to only run minimal os and the maya rendering farm software. If they are using Maya3d or something equivalent it will take advantage of all cpu registers and cache and what not. If you have xeons with large amounts of cache on the cpu then you will see a benefit with rendering more so than just a regular p4. However, the P4 can usually outperform the Xeon when you need something with mult-threads like running a video game or an OS with a GUI.

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    18. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      So what?

      Just because you can only buy > 2.4 GHz machines now *doe snot in any way* mean that that is the average speed of a home computer.

      You're hard pressed to find a car that doesn't come with power windows and locks standard now too. That doesn't mean that the average car on the road has power windows and locks. It is probably more like a 60/40 split at best in favour of non-power windows and locks.

      Not everyone buys a new PC every eyar, in fact most don't. My parent's are doing just fine on their AMD 850 from 5 years ago, why would they upgrade?

    19. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Surt · · Score: 1

      But it gets quite expensive to throw memory AND processors into one box if you need both to make your speedup happen. Note that they're already putting a fair amount (8G) into these boxes. It's comparatively not cheap to buy a box that will go beyond 8G.

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    20. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Also, remember that a 2.4 GHz is faster than two 1.2 Ghz chips, because of instruction set improvements.

      Bzzzt. Better luck next time. A 2.4 ghz P4 is not faster than 2 1.2 ghz PIII's. The PIII had a higher IPC. Instruction set improvements? Instruction sets don't do much for performance either way; architecture does. Even if you're refererring to the evolving set of SIMD instructions you are still getting fewer things done on modern processors per clock cycle than with a generation or two back.

    21. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by malducin · · Score: 1

      Actually Maya is only used for the interactive work. The batch 3D rendering Weta Digital uses is PRMan, and Shake for batch compositing.

      Also it doesn't matter if you are using all the cache in the CPUs, say for example if the shots you're rendering use texture maps of a 100 MBs and the RIB file might be a few hundred megabytes as well (so that also causes some bandwidth bottleneck). Of course you are can exploit some coherence in data (between frames or even in the same frame). So in the end you won't get those extreme savings implied in the article (me thinks they messed up on the quote or calculations). Then again when you are rendering such huge numbers of frames, or more precisely layers, even saving of a few percentage points, of a few seconds or minutes per frames, will actually mean you can save days or weeks in the end and render the whole movie on time.

    22. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Xamataca · · Score: 1

      My parent's are doing just fine on their AMD 850 from 5 years ago, why would they upgrade? carkmack's new engine?

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    23. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by rebelcan · · Score: 1
      "Just because you can only buy > 2.4 GHz machines now *doe snot in any way* mean that that is the average speed of a home computer."

      When I read that, I did a double take, and then laughed water out my nose. You owe me a new keyboard!

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    24. Re:Explain this "new" math to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for making my day, Sir! :)

  12. K-Y by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

    No matter how many CPUs they throw at it, Jackson's King Kong remake will nenver rival the hilarity of K-Y's remake. Funniest late night ad, ever.

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  13. Blades are the future by Shadez666 · · Score: 1

    Blades are the way of the future, 250 blades take up 3 racks, we are on the way to a whole new meaning of SAN - Server Area Network.

  14. Re:King Kong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    link?

  15. And to think... by Utopia · · Score: 1, Troll

    Star Wars Episode III : Revenge of the Sith was processed on
    just a 140-processor Opteron AMD64 farm running Windows 64-bit beta.

    1. Re:And to think... by delire · · Score: 5, Funny

      Star Wars Episode III : Revenge of the Sith was processed on just a 140-processor Opteron AMD64 farm running Windows 64-bit beta.
      No wonder the film was so bad.
    2. Re:And to think... by shawng · · Score: 0

      I could have sworn I read somewhere that the ILM guys used Linux machines to do their CGI for Star Wars. Maybe I am wrong though.

    3. Re:And to think... by Cromac · · Score: 1
      You could probably process it on 1 P2, it would just take forever. The key is how long it takes to do the rendering. Maybe the Weta datacenter could render Star Wars III 10x faster than that 140-processor Opteron AMD64 farm.

      Any idea how long it took that setup to do the rendering for RotS?

    4. Re:And to think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your information is incorrect.

      The previz may have been done on that one, but the main render farm is several thousand AMD processors running linux.

    5. Re:And to think... by malducin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Those numbers are misleadingly wrong. Star Wars Episode III was rendered between the old ILM location and the new Presidio facility. The Presidio has about 4000 processors used for rendering, while old ILM had about 2,500 processors. The data center of the Presidio came online (I think) late last year. So frames from Ep. 3 and The Island were rendered both at the Presidio and old ILM. So surely ILM rendered Ep. 3 on a few thousand processors.

      I think the misleading part is that some articles stated that the initial order for AMD Opteron based machines for the data center was 140 processors. But their renderfarm is crtainly 4,000 procs which I think includes about 1,000 workstations that are used for overnight rendering.

      Data Center Gets Star Treatment

      Also while ILM does have an Opteron based renderfarm they run Linux on them, not Windows64 beta.

    6. Re:And to think... by rhyre417 · · Score: 1

      Comparisons with Star Wars aren't helpful. King Kong has more fur. Rendering fur is hard work.

    7. Re:And to think... by rfinnvik · · Score: 1

      The acting was equally hairy, though...

    8. Re:And to think... by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      Rendering a monster ape that has millions of tiny hairs on his body takes a bit more work than NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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    9. Re:And to think... by msdschris · · Score: 0

      Pr0n should be easy then.

    10. Re:And to think... by malducin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Comparisons with Star Wars aren't helpful. King Kong has more fur. Rendering fur is hard work.

      There is no easy way to compare that. It's highly subjective, even when using the most basic comparison: number of shots. I believe Ep. 3 had 2400+ shots in the final film, although about 2800+ were rendered (about 400 were edited out). Don't remember how many shots King Kong has, though I think it's at least 1,500 though less than 2400. Then you get to the subjective part. for both films how many shots have major 3D work, how many it's mostly compositing, roto and paint, how many are miniature mostly, how many are mixed more or less equaly, how many minutes of digital character animation, etc. So when discussing those issues it's usuallyt a good idea to get as specific as possible and even then you can argue both sides.

      It's probably better to wait for the Cinefex issue in January.

      http://www.cinefex.com/magazine/next/next.html

  16. Contact? by jridley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmm, how to get them on my SETI team....

    1. Re:Contact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used to do SETI when the machines weren't busy rendering. But when LOTR started, they had to ditch it because they needed all available processing power.

  17. Nonsense Statement by deadline · · Score: 2, Insightful
    boosting its power by 50 per cent to create a supercomputer with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs

    Such statements are utter nonsense. First, 15,000 PC's - what kind of PC? (dual core AMD, I think not). Second, how do you measure power ? (is this for their applications, or some other metric) If they ran the numbers they would find the cluster rather typical - unless there is more to the story.

    Yes they have a a lot of processors, however, lots-o-processors != supercomputer

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    1. Re:Nonsense Statement by flood6 · · Score: 1
      It's that dumbed-down unit of measurement.

      ...to create a supercomputer with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs.

      Or 7 Volkswagens and 3.4 Libraries of Congress...

    2. Re:Nonsense Statement by Foosinho · · Score: 1
      Yes they have a a lot of processors, however, lots-o-processors != supercomputer

      Out of curiousity, what does make a supercomputer then? That statement, combined with your URL, intrigued me.
    3. Re:Nonsense Statement by cloudofstrife · · Score: 1

      I think we have a new unit of measurement. In addition to "bucks in quarters" and "libraries of congress" we now have "thousands of PCs".

    4. Re:Nonsense Statement by deadline · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A good question. I believe at one point Gorden Bell said "anything with 6 zeros in the price".

      The lines have blurred due to clusters. My definition is "a collection of hardware that provides a non-trivial level of performance on a single problem" Of course, "non trivial" has various interpretations. And, working toward solving a single problem is important. Rendering is a trivial parallel application as it is really a bunch of small independent problems. Most supercomputer applications would probably run "sub-optimal" on this system (I assume it has GigE as an interconnect) because they require much more processor to processor communication. BTW, I run the ClusterMonkey site that talks about clusters and HPC if you want to learn more about clusters.

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    5. Re:Nonsense Statement by Foosinho · · Score: 1
      My definition is "a collection of hardware that provides a non-trivial level of performance on a single problem"

      OK, so a "lot of processors" could be a supercomputer, depending on the software running. And, apparently, the presense of InfiniBand. :)

      I'll agree that rendering is embarrassingly parallel.

      (I've been poking around ClusterMonkey this afternoon. I work at the Ohio Supercomputer Center @ Ohio State, and am currently implementing a SVM classifier in MATLAB to run on a Linux cluster.)
  18. Extra-Beefy Power Supply perhaps??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Power of 1 PC: 250 Watts
    Power of 15,000 PCs: Enough to power a small town

    Ability to do math in your head: Priceless

    For everything else, there's xcalc.

  19. sheer power by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

    I guess they'll live up to their promise of amazing gorilla hair... one blade server for each hair rendering...

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    1. Re:sheer power by Paul+Rose · · Score: 2, Funny

      They could reduce that with a little shear power

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  20. Netcraft confirms it by saskboy · · Score: 1

    ...Imagining a Beowulf cluster of King Kongs terrifies old people in Korea.

    It must be one heck of a movie to require 250 blade servers to render it effectively. But then again, when you're working with graphics, it doesn't hurt to have a lot of horsepower.

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    1. Re:Netcraft confirms it by FishandChips · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it's sheep-power in New Zealand. And hey, after that, Hollywood can reuse them to fleece movie-goers.

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  21. 1100 odd processors for Redhat by theurge14 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Man, I would love to see how fast Gentoo would compile on that.

  22. New Zealand targeted by ONU !! by Dam's · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, New Zealand is accused by the ONU for not respecting the Kyoto treaty.
    It appears that New Zealand is now the World n1 heat producer, the origin of that heat is currently unknown.

    Well, joke aside, I hope for them than the clim won't break...

    1. Re:New Zealand targeted by ONU !! by tmasky · · Score: 1

      Heat producer? I've never heard that. Got a link?

      But we are definitely having problems abiding by the Kyoto protocol, because of sheep farts. I'm damn serious.
      We have many sheep and other livestock here in Kiwiland, which pump out a serious amount of methane. But there are good moves being done to curb this: http://www.google.com/search?q=sheep+methane+emiss ions

    2. Re:New Zealand targeted by ONU !! by builderbob_nz · · Score: 1

      No problem, they're situated in Wellington. The constant wind factor there means that the don't even need cooling fans.

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  23. The massive power of creating digital realism by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Informative

    The amount of power that is needed to create a realistic outdoor scene with multiple actors is simply astounding. King Kong will most likely be candy for the eyes when it is done. Halo, the next Peter Jackson movie, will probably just as amazing.

    An interesting article on building a digital animation studio (IBM) is here:
    http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wa-a nimstudio1/

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    1. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello Sir,

      Please get up off your knees and stop sucking Peter Jackson's cock off. His movies are not as good as you lead yourself to believe.

      Good day sir!

    2. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      I liked LOTR trilogy, I am not sure about his other movies though, you are right.

      I am a big fan of the massive scale, sci-fi adventure.

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    3. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by A_Known_Coward · · Score: 1
      Peter Jackson's greatest cinematic masterpiece will always be Meet the Feebles.

      Come on. Where else are you gonna see a VD infected rabbit, a gun toting love-stricken hippo, and a gorey ending to rival Scarface?

    4. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by frn123 · · Score: 1

      Cleary Meet the Feebles pales in comparison with "Braindead" and "Bad Taste"!

    5. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jackson is "Executive Producer" of Halo, that means he isn't making it and may only chip in the odd idea on how to make it more commercial. There's a big difference between "director" and "executive producer".

    6. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      Peter says he loves the video game, so I would think he will do a good job on it.

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    7. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by rodgerd · · Score: 1

      Nope. Meet the Feebles still wins, because it's based off of raping your childhood memories of the Muppet Show.

    8. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by MrDiablerie · · Score: 1

      I dunno, the custard scene in Dead Alive was pretty priceless.

    9. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      Um, no you're not getting it. EP's doesn't have *any* creative control over the content of a movie, they're the money men, they also try to make things run smooth.

      read this

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    10. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by EternityInterface · · Score: 0

      King Kong will most likely be candy for the eyes when it is done. ... and (the terrible acting) torture to the ears.

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    11. Re:The massive power of creating digital realism by Simon+Garlick · · Score: 1

      So, the upcoming Microsoft Halo movie will be rendered on boxes running Linux?

  24. Distributed computing... by Etherwalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given the high degree of parallelism and the social aspects, you'd think that distributed computing would be ideal for hollywood rendering, given that you could implement sufficient security restrictions. (Security restrictions which should be perfectly managable.) How many people out there do you think would like to be able to say "I rendered part of this movie!"

    There are some issues, of course, but it strikes me as worth exploring.

    1. Re:Distributed computing... by Neoprofin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not many. The MPAA is already charging $7-12 for me to watch the movie plus another $10-30 if I want to buy it. The last thing they're getting from me is a single cycle of my CPU. If they send me a movie ticket they can use my network, otherwise they can put the billions of dollars they're making to good use.

    2. Re:Distributed computing... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      They should have done that with Serenity. The next movie that fans demand be made, offer to finance, after Hollywood cancels the project, that gets partially produced (eg. SFX/CG) produced by those global fans, will turn the tables on Hollywood. Once the distributed consumer community figures out how to replace the "distribution deals" by which Hollywood controls global entertainment, we'll finally be into the new century.

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    3. Re:Distributed computing... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Your extra cycles cost you next to nothing. What if they just pay you with "points" which you can use to buy either discounted DVDs, or just special editions with extra rendered scenes which didn't make it to the screen?

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      make install -not war

    4. Re:Distributed computing... by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      Depends on the terms. Although my cycles cost me only the added electric and cooling bill of my CPU working harder, which in Wisconsin isn't much, the amount of calculations they're getting done would cost them time on a render farm or one of their own.

      They need me (or us, as it would be) more than we need them. It's a concept that Hollywood seems to be forgetting in the past years, if they go under we just have to watch TV, if we stop going to their shitty movies they're going to have much bigger problems.

      It's not going to happen anyway, if you had nerd rendering the next Star Wars every ounce that could be extrapolated would be on the internet by the end of it and the MPAA doesn't seem to take that too well.

    5. Re:Distributed computing... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If I were a studio like Weta, and I were looking at public distributed rendering for my movies, I'd look at a protocol like an encrypted BitTorrent swarm. I'd know who was participating, they'd know what project, but no one would know which chunks they'd rendered, or even have enough contiguous ones to piece together even a single full frame. I'd offer all kinds of premiums at my lower cost to the "nerd network" to get them not only rendering, but also "on board" with the production. Chat rooms for them to discuss the production, maybe chats with staff, etc. Then, when the movie opens, I'd have not only lowered my production costs (and time), but I'd also have a global network of people who must see the movie, and bring all their friend(s), to see their name in the credits.

      That kind of "prosumer" model can easily be secured to protect the IP from the "interzone" between the producers and the audience. While building such an audience. It makes such an interesting economic model that many microscale features might be made under the model. It even gets us down the road to where the rendering engines might also be used for digital distribution of the product itself, a participatory network for production and distribution. So budgets of a few thousand dollars could be recouped with any measure of success, while exposing people worldwide to new content that represents what's on the minds of people like themselves, instead of some airless Hollywood board of directors.

      If the MPAA doesn't like it, they'll just be destroyed by it. If not soon, driven by existing studios, then a little later by the nerds who will do it themselves anyway.

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    6. Re:Distributed computing... by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      Name in the credits? Sold!

  25. tangent: "single-blade PCs" are also the future by davidwr · · Score: 1

    We already see this with routers, cell phones, PDAs, and other "fit in your hand, no/minimal screen/keyboard" computers.

    20 years from now homes will be riddled with embedded systems that, but for a software change, could be relatively-low-performance general-purpose PCs.

    The 2025 equivalent of "Home Computers" as we know it will either be small enough to fit into a keyboard or their function will be outsourced as a service and we'll all have terminals in our homes. Personally, I'm thinking the latter.

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    1. Re:tangent: "single-blade PCs" are also the future by jherekc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "...small enough to fit into a keyboard..."

      Funny, my first computer fit in a keyboard (Atari 800XL) then the one after that (Amiga 500) then the one after that (Amiga 1200). wait a sec...

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  26. Re:King Kong? by BrynM · · Score: 1
    Isn't the movie simply called "Kong"?
    Yes, but the King part is assumed for anyone who is a longtime fan. Just imagine that, when people write it, it's a silent King. All hail the giant ape... Long live the Ape... oh wait.
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  27. A cluster? by nathan+s · · Score: 1

    Isn't it customary to just grow a pair?

  28. Sweet! by Black+Francis · · Score: 3, Funny

    The IBM Xeon blade servers, each with two 3.4 gigahertz processors and 8 gigabytes of memory...
    ... now they might even be able to run Vista!

  29. The IBM Xeon blade servers, each with two 3.4 gigahertz processors and 8 gigabytes of memory

    *drool*

  30. NeoArithmetic! by NOPteron · · Score: 1

    250 Blade Servers, + 1144 Intel 2.8GHz processors = 15 000 PCs is INTEL-math.

    They're multiplying the NumberOfProcessors, times the Frequency ( multiplied by pipeline-stages ), times the number of milli-amps used by each!

    : P

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  31. Did any of the admins go to school? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    added another 250 more blade servers to their render farm


    a new regiment from M$

    Hire a proof reader or use some grammar checker. Even Microsnot Word flags this one.

  32. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about time those wimps over at Weta grew a cluster.

  33. this doesn't add up by six · · Score: 1

    They have been added to the centre's existing bank of 1144 Intel 2.8GHz processors, boosting its power by 50 per cent to create a supercomputer with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs.

    so they had 1144 processors, they add 500 of them (250 dual cpu blades) ... how do they get these 1644 PC processors to perform "with the equivalent power of nearly 15,000 PCs" ?!

    they are either comparing with Pentium 200 processors, totally bullshitting, or maybe they meant 1500 ?

    1. Re:this doesn't add up by tincho_uy · · Score: 1

      The eds fscked up once again. They meant to say that the cluster draws the same amount of power as 15000 PCs.

  34. Top 500 list by Belldoor · · Score: 1


    The purchase means the centre is back among the 100 largest supercomputing clusters in the world.

    The last report of the top500 got it at the 99th position, althought it may be a bit out of date, as is from June.

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  35. 15,000 PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when does 1394 dual CPU systems = 15,000 PC's? That means each blade is 10 times faster than a normal PC. What are we measuring here. If your basing it on raw CPU power. You might be able to say it is twice as fast, but not 10. Even twice as fast is a stretch because dual processor contention with each other over resources and clustor management overhead.

    They may have faster memory and IO buses, but the amount that would effect you depends on your application. In some cases it may not make much of a difference after the app initializes. I hate bogus claims like this.

  36. EASY by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    Just use the same "average computer" performance values you did 10 years (or 5 years) ago.

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  37. 4,903.2 GHz by Ythan · · Score: 1

    Any ideas how I can convince Peter Jackson to join my Folding@home team?

  38. The movie will still be a train wreck by kindbud · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, come on. Why King Kong? Was the world really lacking yet another King Kong adaptation? This movie will make Gozilla look like Independence Day.

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    1. Re:The movie will still be a train wreck by daveb · · Score: 1

      Why King Konng? Because Peter can. No other reason.

      Peter Jackson's success with LoTR meant that anyone would bankroll him for anything ... once. PJ has been a King Kong fan since chldhood and leapt at that window of opportunity to make a re-make of something that probably would not have been funded except for his then current standing.

      He can probably even afford it to be a box-office flop (regardless of it's artistic merit) if - and ONLY if - his next movie is absolutly awesome. Notice that he got HALO before KK was released. Can HALO be awesome? Sounds like a simple shoot-em-up to me without any of the depth of LoTR. But hey - I don't play games so what would I know. And besides, shoot-em-ups can be box office hits.

    2. Re:The movie will still be a train wreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, come on. Why King Kong? Was the world really lacking yet another King Kong adaptation? This movie will make Gozilla look like Independence Day.

      Does that make any sense to anybody? Making Godzilla look like Independence Day? Gwah?

  39. Not the only WETA Cluster by Corvar · · Score: 1

    It is a little tough to figure out from the Top 500 list, but before the addition of these processors, WETA seemed to have 3 entries in the top 200. Unless of course the article is completely wrong, and these 250 Blades are actually the third super computer that WETA has, and it really is a stand alone.

  40. 250 Xeons = 60 dual core Opterons by heroine · · Score: 1

    Too bad no-one's ever thought of using the fastest CPUs in these clusters and really doing something useful instead of using a huge number of weak CPUs to gain publicity.

  41. xeons? by ruiner5000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Did Intel do a massive discount? The standard is Opteron for render farms and for good reason. Much faster, much less power, and a superior upgrade path. 150 watts for the fake dual core Xeon, or 89 for a dual core Opteron. Hmm, tough choice there. Particularly when you look at the new Spec numbers for the dual core Xeon it is a massacre with Opteron well ahead still.

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    1. Re:xeons? by sanx · · Score: 1

      But if you've already got Xeons, which they had from the cluster they bought to do the CG in LoTR, you'd probably want to stick with Xeons when you upgrade. Just a thought.

    2. Re:xeons? by rodgerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meaningless comment unless you know how they've optimised their code and practises. It may be they have a bunch of optimised render code that works well with the Xeon and would need to be re-written for the Opteron.

    3. Re:xeons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Opteron instruction set is a superset of the Xeon instruction set. The Opteron does have instruction which the Xeons don't such as 3DNow, 3DNow+.

      There is no such thing as code (outside of ring 0) which will run on a Xeon but not run on an Opteron.

    4. Re:xeons? by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      The Opteron instruction set is a superset of the Xeon instruction set. The Opteron does have instruction which the Xeons don't such as 3DNow, 3DNow+.

      There is no such thing as code (outside of ring 0) which will run on a Xeon but not run on an Opteron.

      Right, but you have to take the actual implementation into account. The Xeon will have different optimizations, strengths, and weaknesses when compared to the Opteron. Code which is designed to run as efficiently as possible on a Xeon might not be so efficient on an Opteron.
    5. Re:xeons? by ruiner5000 · · Score: 1

      I guess I don't know much except what I see and hear at Siggraph.

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  42. Sounds nasty by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1
    Weta Digital Grows Cluster

    They can just snip those off in an outpatient procedure now.

  43. Re:power draw, seriously! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    Funny, this is the first thing I thought of when I read about their choice of processors. They really picked the most inefficient chips before (P4 2.8G) and just did it again with P4-based Xeons. For this application, it seems to me that Opterons would be the no-brainer choice. Go figure!

  44. Re:Contact? - Talking of SETI by thewils · · Score: 1

    It would be cool to participate in a SETI-like rendering client for movie effects.

    "Yes, well ya know I helped render that scene..."

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  45. Does that mean Halo will be rendered on Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read awhile back that Peter Jackson was hired by Microsoft to do a Halo movie? I wonder if WETA will be switching to Longhorn Server or if it will be made on Linux

  46. Headline should have been... by GSVNoFixedAbode · · Score: 1

    Powerful Processors Push Performance of Pixel Pushing Pin-dicks

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  47. "They called me Kong" by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    This movie is just about his early days before moving to the big city. He was just a simple country-ape back then. But even then, he had apirations to make it really big one day. His friends just called him Kong.

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  48. I think we know what's coming... by UltimaL337Star · · Score: 1
  49. Excellent! by pyro+jackelope · · Score: 2, Funny

    Available for hire eh? Uh yeah...lemme just pull out my checkbook ;-).

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  50. OUCH!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Too bad they have all that computing power yet the gateway to the island still amounts to nothing more than muxing tin cans and string... ;)

    1. Re:OUCH!!! by l00k · · Score: 1

      I resent that comment! I'll have you know that we use styrofoam cups.

  51. Re:Contact? - Talking of SETI by Billy+the+Impaler · · Score: 1
    It would be cool to participate in a SETI-like rendering client for movie effects.

    They do have that. It's called BURP, the Big Ugly Rendering Project. it even runs on BOINC just like SETI. Jump onboard if you like.

    http://burp.boinc.dk/

  52. MODS FAIL IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent is NOT offtopic, it IS however redundant!

  53. All this to remake King Kong? by serutan · · Score: 1

    Given that there are about 35 people in the world who haven't seen one version or another yet, how worthwhile is any King Kong remake? I can't wait for Jackson to move onto another project like The Mote in God's Eye or the Foundation trilogy.

    1. Re:All this to remake King Kong? by Dubwise · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given that there are about 35 people in the world who haven't seen one version or another yet, how worthwhile is any King Kong remake? I can't wait for Jackson to move onto another project like The Mote in God's Eye or the Foundation trilogy.

      It's not as if it's some desperate idea from the studio. Jackson has wanted to remake King Kong since he was a kid. He tried to make it before LOTR - but Miramax yanked it because there were too many monster movies that season. Now he gets to make it with a much bigger budget and a better cast.

      Do you yknow the original? It's campy as all hell, and I expect Jackson's will be too. It's not going to be just another monster movie.

  54. Watch out for RMS and his GNU/flunkies by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

    Time to burn a little karma :P

    Korgan better watch out for RMS and GNU/flunkies. He called it: "Red Hat version of the open-source Linux operating system". Not: Red Hat version of the Free as in speach GNU/Linux operating system.

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    1. Re:Watch out for RMS and his GNU/flunkies by Korgan · · Score: 1

      Who says they're running the GNU system? :-) They could just be using a Redhat kernel that loads their rendering software directly ;-)

      Still, it wasn't my phrasing, it was from the original article.

  55. They GREW it?! by RazorRaiser · · Score: 1

    SEED PLEASE!

  56. two many mistakes in your post by yudan · · Score: 1

    First, read again, they only have 1144 intel 2.8GHz processors, not 2.6GHz two CPUs as you said.
    Second, as someone has pointed out, indeed P3 performs faster than P4 in terms of Hz, due to the toooooo long instruction pipleline in P4.
    Third, let's do very rough math. When you add up all the raw GHzs of all the CPUs, you end up with 3.4*2*250+2.6*1144=4674.4Ghz. Do you think 15000 1.2GHz P3 chips will have the performance equal or less to this number? My guestimation is: they should be at least two or three times faster.