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MacWorld Keynote Announces x86 iMac & Laptop

Steve Jobs began giving his keynote at 9am local time, PST. The action was posted live at MacRumorsLive, and Engadget. From the Engadget liveblog: "How many [iPods] did we sell last quarter? Some of the estimates were getting astronomical - 8 million, 9 million. I'm really pleased to announce that last quarter we sold 14 million iPods .. that is over a hundred every minute, 24/7 throughout the quarter. And it still wasnt enough. We've now sold over 42 million iPods -- as you can see the curve is going up again" MacWorld and Ars Technica has coverage as well. The shiniest news: MacBook Pro. iSight, Front Row; $1999 1.67 Core Duo; 667 DDR bus, Radeon x1600; $2499 1.83GHz. Intel chip.

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  1. Stupid name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Macbook sounds offensive and computer illiterate.

    What do you guys think?
    -Sj53

    1. Re:Stupid name by grungebox · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think the name is a little weird. Wasn't MacBook the guy that guy in that one play that British dude wrote? "Lay On, MacBook."

    2. Re:Stupid name by wealthychef · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you say "MacBook," you have to go outside and spit, then do three spins.

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    3. Re:Stupid name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't say that word! Say 'the Scottish Computer' instead.

    4. Re:Stupid name by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Be bloody, bold, and resolute! Laugh to scorn the power of man, for none of woman born shall harm MacBook."

      I smell a new Apple slogan!

    5. Re:Stupid name by moonbender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always considered that a feature, and missed it in my laptop. Routing cables around the laptop because there are only ports on one side, that's ugly.

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    6. Re:Stupid name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually the USB ports on both sides are convenient for those that might prefer to use a USB mouse with their left hand, or their right hand without having to wrap the cord around - especially those little travel ones that have shorter cords.

    7. Re:Stupid name by errxn · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd better be prepared for the Mac fanboy onslaught of "If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!"

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    8. Re:Stupid name by John_Booty · · Score: 4, Funny

      a computer doesn't spill flaming death on everyone nearby if it gets knocked over

      Learn to overlock, n00b.

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    9. Re:Stupid name by Eccles · · Score: 5, Funny

      They were going to announce one designed especially for women, called the Lady MacBook, but there were some stains they couldn't remove from the material they had chosen for the case...

      "Out out, damned spot!"

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    10. Re:Stupid name by johkir · · Score: 3, Informative

      here's a little history on the naming of the Powerbook

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  2. European Price? by torpor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anyone know what the projected Euro price is going to be? My girlfriend has been waiting for this release before she buys herself a laptop (she's a pro photographer) and its definitely going to be top of the list ..

    Man, dunno how i'm gonna feel on my lowly powerbook though .. how do you other geeks deal with girlfriends whose laptops are better than yours? aarrgghh ... :)

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    1. Re:European Price? by boingyzain · · Score: 5, Funny

      how do you other geeks deal with girlfriends whose laptops are better than yours? aarrgghh ... :)

      Slashdot readers don't have to worry about that.

    2. Re:European Price? by Ford+Fulkerson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Man, dunno how i'm gonna feel on my lowly powerbook though .. how do you other geeks deal with girlfriends whose laptops are better than yours? aarrgghh ... :)

      Simple, the part of the Slashdot readers who aren't total geek stereotypes don't mind this situation. And for the rest, the situation would never occur in the first place.

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  3. macbook pro page http://www.apple.com/macbookpro by Pfhor · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.apple.com/macbookpro

    Dropped FW 800 and cardbus.

  4. So the big question is... by John+Harrison · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can you load easily dual boot Windows on the new iMac and on the MacBook Pro? If you can then this opens up a new market of tepid switchers. It seems that Steve didn't mention this sort of functionality at all which leaves it as a big question mark for now.

    1. Re:So the big question is... by Nefarious420 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they said they would not go out of their way to stop you, they never said they would support it or make it easy.

    2. Re:So the big question is... by ptomblin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      According to a person with a MacBook Pro prototype, it won't boot with the Windows install CD. Or the FreeBSD install CD for that matter. But that's just booting with the C key held down, like you do to boot the OS X installer CD. Maybe there is another way?

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    3. Re:So the big question is... by Bazzalisk · · Score: 3, Informative
      This doesn't shock me - I'd imagine that there are significant hardware differences which windows, BSD, and Linux will need to adjust to support before they will boot on the new machines.

      (For comparison it's only in the last week or so that Linux has been made to boot on the Dual Core G5s, since they use a bridge chip that differs significantly from those used in earlier versions)

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    4. Re:So the big question is... by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Informative
      I imagine the Macbook still uses Open Firmware instead of PC BIOS.

      Imagine different. They use EFI.

    5. Re:So the big question is... by adpowers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My friend and I were talking to an Apple engineer when they were recruiting at our campus (we are both Mac users). He follows the rumors more closely than I (and he is EE while I'm CS) and was curious to know about the BIOS in future Intel Macs. He asked about the BIOS and mentioned the rumors of EFI. The Apple guy was like, "Hmm, yeah, it would be interesting if we used EFI because that would make us the first computer manufacturer to do so" (paraphrased). It was interesting talking to him and hearing him say that the way he did (you know, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*).

  5. Photocasting? Ugh by prockcore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like how Apple reinvents pheed and calls it "Photocasting" as well as "incredibly new".

    Thanks Steve, but the Associated Press has been standardized on pheed for well over a year now.

  6. MacBook Pro by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We CANNOT allow "MacBook Pro" to take off. Everyone needs to keep calling them Powerbooks. I don't care what Apple says. If customers keep coming into the stores asking for Powerbooks maybe they will come to their senses.

    Really, all the top Mac news sites and blogs need to get on board with this. It is NOT a "MacBook Pro". It is and always will be a Powerbook.

    1. Re:MacBook Pro by the+web · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bbbut, they still sell power books... :(

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    2. Re:MacBook Pro by aaronvegh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the term "PowerBook" has nothing to do with the processor. They were called PowerBooks when they originally shipped with Motorola 68030 processors, years before migrating to the PowerPC chip. It's just a neat coincidence.

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  7. Re:Also. by XavierItzmann · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple has sold Personal Computers (PC's) since 1976. What part of "every Macintosh is a PC" don't you understand? Cheers,

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  8. A little history by toupsie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This isn't the first "Duo" Apple has released in notebook form. The original PowerBook Duo was a very cool machine for its time.

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  9. Windows? by anothermortal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess the real question is can it run Windows, Linux and OS X? What kind of black magic will we need to do to make it work?

    1. Re:Windows? by hotspotbloc · · Score: 4, Funny
      I guess the real question is can it run Windows ...?

      Running MS Windows on a MacBook Pro is like letting a retarded kid drive a Ferrari.

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    2. Re:Windows? by lcde · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the FAQ:

      1.4. Does Xen support Microsoft Windows?

      Unfortunately we do not currently support Windows; the paravirtualized approach we use to get such high performance has not been usable directly for Windows to date. However recently announced hardware support from Intel and AMD will allow us to transparently support Windows XP & 2003 Server in the near future. We are working on this and intend to have support available by the time the new processors are available.


      Duo is that new processor.

      VT and Xen 3.0 will
        virtualize Windows XP...
      From PR:
      The demonstration features a pre-release version of Xen 3.0 virtualizing both Linux and Microsoft Windows XP SP2. Support for unmodified guests, such as Windows, is made possible by Intel's VT technology, which provides a privileged mode of execution that allows Xen to share platform resources between both modified and unmodified guest operating systems, providing CPU, memory and I/O resource guarantees.

      New 3.0Ghz Pen4 has VT and Yonah being part of the 65nm tech... also has virtualization.

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    3. Re:Windows? by aej17 · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to this newly updated page at Apple's Dev site, the new Macs use EFI.

    4. Re:Windows? by CerebusUS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Running MS Windows on a MacBook Pro is like letting a retarded kid drive a Ferrari.

      Yeah, but at least the retarded kid gets to play F.E.A.R. and Warhammer 40,000:Dawn of War.

      While driving the Ferrari.

      Or does the metaphor break down at that point?

  10. Unimportant... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Macbook sounds offensive and computer illiterate.

    What do you guys think?


    The art of choosing strategically well thought out product names is a declining art these days, I need only point to "Windows Defender". While most of us nerds know that Windows is on the defensive in the malware department there is no reason to let the uninitiated masses of Windows users know about it, they think the current situation is normal.

    Not that I really care about the 'stupidity' of the MacBook name and I do agree with you that it is kinda clumsy. What I care about is what this MacBook can do and how soon I can get my filthy paws on one. Now if you will excuse me I have to go and empty my piggybank....

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  11. Re:The MacBook Pro by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes. The first several generations of PowerBooks ran 68k processors.

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  12. Big Money by dpofs10 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow, Apple stock is up almost 7% on this news.

  13. Re:macbook pro page http://www.apple.com/macbookpr by grahams · · Score: 5, Informative

    Worth noting that the CardBus slot has been replaced with a ExpressCard/34 slot.

  14. Re:Intel! by Moofie · · Score: 3, Funny

    What part of "x86 iMac & Laptop" escaped you?

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  15. Re:Never Microsoft Windows again. by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is it. Never Microsoft Windows again. Not one more second of pain.

    In fact, while I was always die-hard Apple supporter (I'm typing this on my fourth Apple-branded laptop) I appreciate the fact that now I will be able to dual boot in Windows and play the games not-yet or not-at-all released for MacOS. I actually do have a copy of "Deus Ex 2" waiting for the release of Intel-based Macs. Now I'll be able to dust it off... and play on a soon-to-be-mine iMac.

  16. Re:The MacBook Pro by lpontiac · · Score: 5, Informative
    No the first use power for macs came with the first PPC systems. I still have my lowly Power mac 7100/66 with a killer 2meg video card and hold on, 32megs or ram.
    PowerBook 100. Released October 1991 with a 68HC000 processor.
  17. Named for advertising by umrgregg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that Apple is joining the upper eschelon of consumer products, it has to think broader than it's own niche market.

    For instance, the MacBook was named such because of the possible tie ins with other proven products.

    Apple will soon be announcing the Big MacBook Pro. It will feature a larger screen, two all-beef patties, a sesame seed bun, and be cross advertised with McDonalds.

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  18. Something I really like... by rampant+mac · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From Apple's site:

    Power Up With MagSafe

    The new power adapter with MagSafe connector is designed to magnetically guide your cord into place and disconnect smoothly if someone (else) trips over it.

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    I think that's awesome. I can't tell you how many times I've grabbed my PowerBook thinking it wasn't plugged in, only to have the chord yanked out, or worse, have the laptop almost pulled out of my hands.

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  19. Re:Don't like it by Fatmiko1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a premium, though. This is the problem with PeeCee guys. --- build the identical comparison machine on dell's or sony's website, make the dell and sony do exactly what the mac does, then come talk. They are usually the same price at that point. Apple doesnt sell crap that doesnt do anything for you. They build machines that have wireless and bluetooth, and fast hard drives and such, and if you want it, you buy it, if not, there is no crap, 500 laptop. They dont waste your or their time. Sorry kids....

  20. MacBookPro anagram by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    MACBOOKPRO! ~ PC OR KABOOM!

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    1. Re:MacBookPro anagram by mblase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MACBOOKPRO! ~ PC OR KABOOM!

      Rico... enough with the dynamite already.

    2. Re:MacBookPro anagram by node+3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Props for the anagram, but with a little re-arranging you get:

      MacBook Pro (or kaboom!, PC)

  21. Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by patiwat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The product mix has stopped making sense, although only temporarily. In the portable line they have iBook G4 and MacBook Pro intel; in the desktop line they have iMac intel and PowerMac G5.

    iMac that's as powerful as a PowerMac? Who's gonna wanna buy PowerMacs for the next couple months? Does Apple expect to make so much profit from the iMac intel over the coming months than the forgone profit from lost PowerMac G5 sales? I would think that the PowerMac G5 made a much higher profit than the iMac.

    And a MacBook Pro that's 10x more powerful than a iBook?!? There goes the iBook market...

    Anybody else see the logic of transitioning the consumer desktop and pro laptop first, rather than starting with the consumer desktop and laptop, or the pro desktop and laptop, or the pro desktop and consumer laptop, or some other combination?

    1. Re:Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you have to turn the question around and ask yourself: What can Apple meet the demand for now? This makes the product rollout a little more sensible. Apple probably couldn't sell an Intel iBook laptop for $1299 right from the start and meet the demand. They definitely couldn't do that with a $499 Mac mini. But the pro laptop will sell to anyone that has a PowerMac G5 for their heavy CPU work on legacy apps that aren't yet in a Universal binary. And a consumer desktop will sell because most consumer desktop users don't install much more than the already bundled iLife and maybe Office and some games.

    2. Re:Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by NilObject · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And a MacBook Pro that's 10x more powerful than a iBook?!? There goes the iBook market...


      The iBook is 1/2 the price of the MacBook Pro, which is enough of a differentiation, really. But yeah, that MacBook Pro is one juicy piece of hardware. You're right, though, it's certainly an awkward product lineup.

      I believe the current "funk" in the product line is entirely a product of the fact that the transition to Intel is going to be uneven as the engineering teams work on each individual model to bring them in to the Intel future. The iMac is equivalent in power to a PowerMac, it looks like, which only bodes well for the next PowerMac ("MacDesktop Pro"? "Mac Pro"?) - that puppy will be one seriously powerful monster.

      But like Steve said, they'll be transitioning them throughout the year. I imagine that once all the machines are moved over, the pricing will settle a bit and we'll get back our 12" and 17" laptop models.

      My 12" PowerBook used to seem so powerful... Cripes.
    3. Re:Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by javaxman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Anybody else see the logic of transitioning the consumer desktop and pro laptop first, rather than ... some other combination?

      What machines does Apple make the largest markup on ?

      Profit is the only motive that makes sense to me. Consider that Apple knows it's going to be seeing a somewhat limited supply of chips and chipsets from Intel. With that as a given, where do they want to put those chips- in low-margin designs like the Mac mini and iBook, or in higher-margin designs like the desktop and pro laptop ?

      Also, what chipset would Apple put in a lower-end machine ? I'm going to guess that due to Apple using Trusted Computing crap to keep you from building your own MacIntel and pirating OS X, they're not going to use any chipsets ( and thus chips ) that are pre-Yonah, so the low end of what they have right now is the slower 1.3-1.6Ghz Duo Core chip... too powerful and expensive for real low-margin machines, so... no low-end Mac Intels for now, and we won't see any until Intel introduces newer chips that can move in on the high end, maybe. Of course, I'm just speculating, but nothing else makes sense to me... I don't think there's a pure market-based reason for Apple to abandon the low end, I think it's just what they're able to do right now.

      Too bad, too, I think that if Apple weren't so paranoid about OS X ending up on a Dell, they'd be able to make a seriously cheap Mac mini based on a Pentium M or something...

    4. Re:Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by PureCreditor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > which means that running apps under Rosetta will be like running 68000 apps on the first Powermacs

      not that slow. rosetta instantly recompiles PPC code to x86, not emulate, so the only true overhead is the compilation, which is the same overhead you get with any runtime such as Java. Also, Apple can simply improve rosetta to include compiler optimizations (well, very very low-level), the same way Transmeta can optimize their internal core to improve x86 execution, with the key distinction that while Transmeta banks its entire corporate strategy on that translation, Apple is simply adopting it as a stop-gap bridge.

      Assume Yonah is 2x-4x that of G4 on either Int or FP (let's take Steve's word for it). Take out 20% for the lack of software compiler high-level optimization, and you still beat a native G4 app by a huge margin.

      also, if i recall correctly, 68K code was *emulated* on PowerPC-based Macs, not real-time translated.

    5. Re:Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Informative

      To be completely pedantic, the 68K compatibility layer (called the Mixed Mode Manager) started out as an emulator and was converted to a just-in-time translator later on. Rosetta is starting out as a JIT translator with some sort of caching going on to improve performance on consecutive launches.

    6. Re:Gaps (and lack of) in the product line by colmore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doubtful.

      The new chips will be out in more machines than just Apple. Why does Apple not release the mini on lower spec processors? Well first off, just because they didn't announce it the *day* they revealed their first Intel machines, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. Second off, they aren't in the bottom-end business in general. The mini is a transition machine for geeks. It's meant to make OS X appeal to the homebrew crowd, who don't account for many sales, but do generate a lot of buzz. It's an important product, but it's not their top priority. Secondly, the mini is a little engineering feat. There is a very much non-zero cost in assembling a new one and testing it. Their first two machines seem to address the biggest hole in their product line (badly lagging top-end laptop) and the most friendly product for the early adopter crowd (medium cost & big cool factor iMac)

      Apple also wants to avoid getting mired in the jargon and infinitely fractured product lines of the PC world. I imagine their negotiations with Intel are a big reason that Yonah isn't being called Pentium-Y etc. I doubt they will ever have more than two processor families going in their active line of computers (2 laptops, 2 desktops + eMac, mini, server)

      Thinking that Apple is overly concerned about piracy ignores the company's history of not using any kind of restriction or guard against software copying. Most apple applications STILL can be copied from one computer on a network to another, simply by dragging the application icon. No apple product has ever had a CD Key or anything similar. They're aware of their market and demographics. They sell to professionals and high-end users who don't mind buying software. It's the same reason they can drop support for old OS X releases the moment the new one comes out. Their market doesn't mind paying, and it enables them to push new technologies with a much greater ease than if they had to maintain the roughly 5-year backwards compatibility that Microsoft does. The first time Apple ever had ANY copy control on anything they've done is when they started getting in bed with the media industry. That just goes with that territory, but their power over Apple isn't so great as to affect the design of their computing systems, otherwise you'd have seen much more significant changes to the way things like Appletalk and Safari handle files by now.

      Likewise, try to imagine the type of person that would be downloading a torrent of OS X, burning it to a CD, and installing on unsupported and undocumented hardware. That person is not a potential apple customer. They're clearly not willing to fork over the Apple premium (yes it does exist, Apple has nothing in competition with $300 and $400 desktop with monitor and $600 laptops, even though those give performance roughly equivalent -- where it matters to that market anyway -- to the lowest end ibook and the emac and mini) so why should Apple care? Their tech support will hang up as soon as the "customer" says they are on non-apple hardware, it's only a small core of nerds looking to brag about accomplishing something illicit that will be doing this. Mom, Joe Dormroom, Suzy Designer, and Vic Corporate would never bother.

      Apple's entire market strategy is about maintaining a large niche with heavy profit margins. I really doubt they want to dominate the PC world. If Apple had Microsoft's market share, they'd have to do things very differently (not for the least of reasons that many of their practices such as hardware exclusivity and software bundling would make Microsoft look angelic in comparason if OS X were the "default" operating system of the masses.

      If they *are* making significant product design decisions based on the fear of OS X getting onto some Dell somewhere, then they're fools.

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  22. Re:FIrewire 800 by orac2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't imagine they'd abandon Firewire for USB.

    I think that's exactly what they're doing -- the most recent iPod rev doesn't have a Firewire interface for example. It seems that USB 2.0 may have eaten Firewire's lunch -- speeds are comparable, and -- as of pretty recently -- USB comes in a wireless flavor. Even when Firewire was going gangbusters, not every machine (I'm speaking now in the broader universe of all consumer computers, desktop and laptp, not just Apple Powerbooks) had Firewire, but they all had USB. I suspect that firewire will stick around for certain applications, but that if you really want to use it with new Mac laptops, you'll need a Firewire-USB dongle adapter.

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  23. Re:Chip Speed by JPamplin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Yonah architecture is the next generation of the Pentium-M - the mobile chip first designed by their Israel design team. It's small, faster at lower clock speeds, and uses less power than the Pentium 4 chips, which you are referring to.

    This is a dual-core 2Ghz Yonah which I daresay will blow the doors off of a 3Ghz P4 Prescott, and run much cooler, which is necessary in a case that thin (the iMac case) when coolers are space-limited.

    Did you post anonymously because you knew that was just a stupid question, or are you just now figuring this out?

    Keep it up, genius. ;-)

  24. I want one... NOW by manno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have never owned a mac, and have never wanted one... until right now.

  25. Low Resolution by NotoriousQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only person who thinks that 1440x900 is a pretty low resolution for a 15" laptop?

    My 10" laptop has 1280x768 for goodness sakes.

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    1. Re:Low Resolution by juuri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time an article comes up mentioning screen res someone always something along these lines. I suggest doing a google search on DPI and optimum DPI for working on computer screens. Apple chooses resolutions in a very deliberate matter based on what it is available *and* maintaining a sane DPI that is easy on the eyes for extended work.

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    2. Re:Low Resolution by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think there is an "optimal" dpi, otherwise laser printers wouldn't be higher than displays. What you mean in view of operating systems that are very limited in scaling UI object sizes, which is, all of the current major operating systems.

      A twelve point font should be twelve point, not necessarily twelve pixels. The way it is currently handled, fonts are too small on a 100dpi screen because points are 72dpi, yet operating systems simply render them as 12 pixels high. That makes text techically too small on pretty much any current LCD screen save maybe the 19" SXGA screens.

      I want higher resolution not necessarily to show more detail or show more text or have more objects on the screen, but have smoother fonts and UI elements rather than blocky edges.

    3. Re:Low Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no such thing as an "optimum" DPI for the eyes. The more DPI the better. Small text/UI elements can be hard to see, but text size is completely independent of DPI. Unfortunately, current operating systems use pixel-based layout which makes it difficult to scale UIs to the optimum size for different DPIs. Instead of limiting their screen resolution, Apple should fix their OS and applications to scale screen elements properly in a resolution-independent manner.

    4. Re:Low Resolution by grimJester · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try this: Hold up your hand in front of your face. Too many DPI to look good?

      DPI can only be too high if you have text and icons fixed to a given amount of dots.

    5. Re:Low Resolution by idsofmarch · · Score: 4, Funny
      Will I become a dick like you if I get a Mac?

      I think you're already there.

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  26. Huh? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Informative
    Unfortunately, the product [apple.com] looks less like an Apple product and more like a laptop from a company that rhymes with "Hell"

    It looks just like my G4 Powerbook. What's so different?

  27. MacBook ===== Acer Travelmate 8200 by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Acer Travelmate has the same components, faster processor, more ram, more storage space, but a cheaper price.

    Apple's doom is sealed if they are going to start charging more for the same thing you can get in the PC WORLD!

    Only difference, Apple is running OSX, so Apple should charge less then the Acer Travelmate, Acer has to pay Microsoft for Windows, Apple doesn't have to pay anybody for OSX.

    Apple doesn't get it. They have become PC OEM retailers and with the exception of the OS, every component is made by PC OEM manufacturers, but Apple thinks they can charge more for it. Brand recognition might drive big sales in the first few months, but eventually people are going to realize you can get the same performance in a PC product for cheaper without paying more for the branding, as has been the case for the last few years.

    Apple DIDN'T EVEN REDESIGN THE CASE!

    MacBook Pro = the biggest joke yet. Apple claims it is more then a PC, it IS a PC, just costs more.

    We can finally compare Apple's to Apple's now, I can't wait for the benchmarks that prove Apple isn't anything more then a PC with a different logo. Considering OSX has had lousy comparisons to similar Linux and Windows concepts (like threading performance, etc) which have been provem kernel related, I am sure that we will find that performance on the Mactels are probably not as good as with the same system running Linux or Windows.

    Good luck Apple! After a year of hype you have come out with a product that has already been on the market for months.

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    I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
    1. Re:MacBook ===== Acer Travelmate 8200 by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Only difference, Apple is running OSX, so Apple should charge less then the Acer Travelmate, Acer has to pay Microsoft for Windows, Apple doesn't have to pay anybody for OSX.


      Um, doesn't it normally cost money to develop software? Silly question I know but I'm fairly sure that and OS doesn't just fall from the sky followed on a regular basis by updates. I'm forever having to clean those annoying binaries from the gutters on my roof.
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    2. Re:MacBook ===== Acer Travelmate 8200 by jacksonj04 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean along with the acceleration sensor, slimmer case, superior OS, sensible power cord that the Travelmate has?

      Not to mention you don't pay entirely for the components, you pay a lot for the fact the bloody thing just works in harmony with most other things.

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  28. MagSafe connector by bravehamster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm just damn excited about the MagSafe connector. Probably half of all the laptop hardware repairs I've done were to replace the power connector. It's one of the weakest points in current design, and I'm glad to see someone finally innovating along that front. Although, if this catches on it will mean declines in laptop repair revenue....

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    1. Re:MagSafe connector by bogie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why would I want that? Says the person on his FOURTH adapter for his POS dell. Of course I'm not bitter that my fourth adapter already has to be bent just so in order to even charge anymore.

      Very nice design. We'll see how it holds up in a year or so though.

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  29. Battery Life? by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any word on the expected battery life of the MacBook Pro? I couldn't find any info anywhere, so I'm expecting it to be adequate at best. This is the laptop that finally replaces my 867 powerbook, but I might wait until the first revision. Battery life and heat ouptut are big considerations for me.

  30. I feel abused by el_womble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2x faster? 4x faster?

    We've been lied to horribly for the last 3-4 years. Clock for clock intels are as powerful as PowerPC. So when I bought my 1.8GHz iMac G5 it was already slower than equivalent PCs. Now thats all very well and good, except that Apple were screaming that it was faster, better, stronger. That you would be mad to even think about buying Intel, and I sucked it up. Its not even like they didn't know the truth. They've been developing Mac OS X on intel for the last 5 years, so they new they were onto a looser with PowerPC and they still over sold.

    Now I'm very happy with my Mac, but the smug sense of superiority that I bought with the Mac has been wiped out. I miss being inside the RDF.

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    1. Re:I feel abused by Krach42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We've been lied to horribly for the last 3-4 years.

      Not that long.

      Clock for clock intels are as powerful as PowerPC.

      Only now.

      So when I bought my 1.8GHz iMac G5 it was already slower than equivalent PCs.

      No, because it was faster than a 2.6 GHz P4. The Pentium 4 was a mistake (sacrificing power for clock speed on Intel's part) they've come to their senses now.

      Now thats all very well and good, except that Apple were screaming that it was faster, better, stronger.

      Because it was during the time that Apple was hyping it. Especially in the later days of the G4, and the early days of the G5. Apple mysteriously stopped updating any of their benchmarks before the announced switch to Intel, and even if they did update their benchmarks, it was only ever against older model Pentium 4's.

      That you would be mad to even think about buying Intel, and I sucked it up. Its not even like they didn't know the truth. They've been developing Mac OS X on intel for the last 5 years, so they new they were onto a looser with PowerPC and they still over sold.

      It's a hard thing to truely measure. As far as "scientific" and advanced math go, the G5 is still a better CPU, you can push much more high pressure data through it, but for the consumer the better choice is the new cores from Intel.

      In all cases, every G5 beats out any Pentium 4, those things were just stupid.

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  31. Re:FIrewire 800 by Spencerian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The lack of FireWire 800 may be due to a lack of adoption to the interface (although its speeds do exceed FW 400 and USB2).

    Another likelihood to the lack of FW 800 includes Intel (who developed the USB spec and may have asked Apple to push USB2 instead), as well as problems in heat or design that prohibited use of FW 800. I'm betting for simplicity + Intel pressure. We've already seen Apple choose USB2 as its dominate sync interface for iPods, and this is a reflection of that change.

    Overall, not a bad introduction for a new 'book, but betware the Rev1 Effect. Remember the first PowerPC systems? Not bad, BUT...

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  32. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

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  33. FM Tuner by dynayellow · · Score: 4, Funny

    An FM tuner is announced and there's No bitching about OGG? I am so disappointed in all of you.

  34. Re:macbook pro page http://www.apple.com/macbookpr by bnenning · · Score: 3, Informative

    So they did have to take two very interesting -- can we say essential?

    Not really. Firewire 800 never went anywhere, and there's an ExpressCard slot for expansion.

    What could have the MacBook been if they had stayed with Power

    Um, a lot slower?

    So this launched has killed the Mac for me.

    That makes no sense whatsoever, but ok.

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  35. Re:Indeed by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
    I'm not so much upset about the name...but, that built in iSight camera has me a little weird...

    Just how long will it be before someone 'hacks' a way in to view through it at any time?

    These days, a lot of people leave their machines on 24/6...I pretty much do all of mine. You've just put up a ready built survellience (sp?) system on yourself, and you might not even know it. Bad for personal usage, but, what if this was in a company somwhere...makes it easy to spy on you.

    Will there be a neat little iPatch that you can slip over the camera to prevent is seeing anything?

    :-)

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  36. Re:The MacBook Pro by tak+amalak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure but you'd still not be able to run MacOS X, the purpose behind getting a Mac in the first place.

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  37. No low end machines ?!? Mac mini, iBook ?!? by javaxman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I know I shouldn't bitch about it, and I think I understand why, but it's a real bummer that Apple was unable to announce a low-end Intel machine today.

    Why not package the new iMac guts in a case without a monitor? I understand the desire to use their allotment of Yonah processors in the machines that will give them the highest markup, but all the PC fanboys are going to complain now that they don't want to pay for a monitor just to upgrade their machines... and even Mac fanboys aren't going to buy PowerMacs, iBooks, or Mac minis when iMacs and this ( IMHO poorly named ) "Mac Book Pro" are so far ahead of them and clearly on the way out, if not already gone.

    Anyone have thoughts on why there were no Mac mini, iBook, or eMac updates ( or Intel conversions ) today ? What is going to happen there ?

    1. Re:No low end machines ?!? Mac mini, iBook ?!? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Informative

      The mini and iBook will probaby use Core Solo processors that are not available yet.

  38. Re:Firewire 800 by LionMage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Professional musicians and DV camera users (i.e., users of pretty much any worthwhile camcorder, consumer or professional) will need FireWire still. So I don't think we'll see FireWire 400 disappear any time soon. But I fear its days are numbered, especially if the consumer electronics industry decides to kill FireWire in the few niche areas it's still viable. The pro and prosumer segments may keep it alive even then.

    It's worth noting that FireWire 400 is present and accounted for on the MacBook Pro, so no need for USB->FireWire dongle adapters. Yet.

    In the case of the iPod, it makes sense to focus on a single interface that is a "least common denominator" among users -- and while many PCs lack IEEE 1394 ports, all modern PCs have USB 2.0, and all modern Macs have USB 2.0 as well. So eliminating FireWire support from the iPod is a great cost-saving measure that increases Apple's profit margin and streamlines the product design moving forward.

  39. Re:Indeed by tdemark · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just how long will it be before someone 'hacks' a way in to view through it at any time?

    With the switch to Intel, I can see why you're a little confused... these will be running Mac OS X, not Windows.

  40. Re:Never Microsoft Windows again. by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    appreciate the fact that now I will be able to dual boot in Windows and play the games

    Actually, this is the most important remaining question about this entire announcement. Is it really the case that one can install Windows on Apple's new hardware? Can any geeks out there truly verify this? Has anyone actually gotten the shipping hardware and tried to install Windows on it and successfully gotten it up and running with a dual-boot configuration?

    It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has implemented some kind of unique encrypted handshaking between the OS X installer and the hardware so that only Apple's OS can be installed on it, so that they can avoid receiving support calls from people who put Windows on Apple hardware. Keep in mind that even if they refuse to provide support for such a configuration, the bulk of a support call's cost is in the customer placing the call in the first place. If someone calls only to be told "we don't support that", that has already cost Apple a good bit of money.

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  41. especially when you have kids by jbellis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sony VAIO N505VE: power connection killed by my son when he started learning to crawl and pull himself up things

    Thinkpad A32: power connection killed by my son about 6 months later

    Dell 5160: power connection killed by my daughter as she's learning to crawl and pull herself up things.

    Thinkpad R52: power connection seems OK so far. Crossing my fingers.

    (Those of you who are thinking, "Well, duh, just keep your laptop away from your kids" either don't have kids or don't have a serious computer addiction. And since you're on /. I'm guessing it's the kids thing.)

    1. Re:especially when you have kids by dmd · · Score: 5, Funny

      I read your post about 5 times in horror before I noticed the word "by" after "killed".

  42. Re:The MacBook Pro by jokell82 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, I'll play that game. To get a comparable system, you need to do some serious upgrading to the Gateway. XP Pro (which is free for a limited time), Office Basic (as the mac comes with iWork '06), a single 512mb stick of ram (only available in 533mhz modules, oh well), upgraded graphics, upgraded monitor (the MacBook has a 1440x1960 resolution, closest option on the gateway is the 1400x1040), upgraded hard drive, upgraded optical drive, and upgraded bluetooth.

    All of that to get it *almost* equal to the MacBook is $1814.98. Plus, that does not come with a firewire camera, nor a remote control, not to mention all the software Apple bundles in for free.

    So the premium is $185.02, and that's only if the additional hardware and software standard on the MacBook are worthless to you.

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  43. Re:The MacBook Pro by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Informative

    That extra $550 can be measured in five things:
    Size and weight(which translates to engineering and design), since the Gateway is 1.3" thick and 6lb and the MacBook is 1" thick and 5.6lb
    Dual link DVI; the Gateway only has VGA and s-video, while the MacBook can power the new Dell or the old Apple 30" LCD.
    Software: The MacBook comes with iLife, OS X, iChat, etc
    Hardware: The MacBook comes with a 640x480 30fps build in video camera
    QA: I think Apple notebooks are slightly more reliable than Gateway... but feel free to buy the Gateway if that extra $100 savings means that much to you

    All five things together work to roughly $110 per point, don't you think?

  44. Re:FIrewire 800 by stienman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happened? Where's the Firewire 800?

    USB 2.0 comes practically free with any modern chipset. Firewire does not. A good firewire interface will take 2-3 sq inches of PCB realestate, and add $1-2 to the total cost. The only area where firewire gained some market hold was with digital video cameras, and those now include USB 2.0. Lastly, very few pieces of equipment can even use firewire 800 to it's fullest. USB 2.0 is cheap enough and fast enough to do 99% of what needs to get done. Further you don't have as much customer confusion between ports and cable types and powered vs unpowered ports.

    So all that means is that there's a very small slice of people who need firewire for which USB cannot work. They can get a card in the laptop, and Apple can save a few dollars per Mac.

    Those who complain about it most are usually doing so for emotional reasons more than logical reasons. Much like those complaining that the new notebook should be referred to as a "Powerbook." They like Apple; Apple came out with firewire; ergo they like firewire. Nevermind that few new peripherals support firewire, and even fewer support only firwire and not USB. Nevermind that similar USB only peripherals are generally cheaper and perform as well as if not better than the equivilant firewire peripheral. Firewire lost in the market. Apple has acknowledged that. Let's move on.

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  45. Re:macbook pro page http://www.apple.com/macbookpr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also absolutely no mention of battery life, apart from a vague "Battery life depends on configuration and use."

    I think we may be looking at a return to 2hr. battery life. When you configure a new Powerbook, err, MacBook Pro, at the Apple online store, the first recommended product is the "Rechargeable Battery - 15-inch MacBook Pro - Buy an extra battery to double your battery life when traveling." Hmmm.

  46. No more modem by diggory · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Weirdly, Apple have decided that modems are now optional extras on Laptops. That makes sense for the iMac - but not on a PowerBook.

  47. Re:No modem. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like the absence of the Floppy Disk less then a decade ago.
    Most hotels and buisnesses use WiFi 802.11b/g. If you really want the modem you get a USB one. But for most systems now it is becoming one of those unused ports. on my powerbook I used my Modem like 4 times in 4 years. Once to see if it worked, 3 Times after I moved waiting for my Cable to be hooked up. Modems are no longer as nessary as they use to be.

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  48. Clock for Clock, both statements are true. by guidryp · · Score: 5, Informative

    A: Clock for clock the G5 is faster than the Pentium 4 architecture, so you were told the truth.

    B: Clock for clock the Pentium M based Core Duo chip is faster than the G5. So again the truth.

    Mix in some marketing (aka exagerations) and you have your situation.

    Statement A: was meaningless because the P4 architecture always ran at a much faster clock speed which made it faster in actual use. So Intel in practical terms has pretty much always been faster.

    It helps to ignore marketing and think for yourself what you want.

    I never bought a Mac before but I might get one this year becasue I like the new architecture. I am waiting on a new Mini. I hope it uses the new Core Duo and runs cool and quiet. I hope they aren't putting the core solo in the mini as I would have to keep waiting...

  49. Re:Indeed by squeee · · Score: 5, Funny

    "These days, a lot of people leave their machines on 24/6"
    And on the seventh day Jobs rested and saw what he had made, and saw that it was good.

  50. PowerBook ... MacBook ? PowerMac ... MacMac ? by compactable · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... WhatWhat TheThe FsckFsck.

    ... brought to you via the Apple Marketing name generation tool : iStutter

    Sheesh ...

  51. Re:Never Microsoft Windows again. by cosmo7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recall someone at Apple saying that they had no intention to prevent other OS from running on the Intel Macs. On the other hand, Windows XP does fairly nasty stuff with any existing MBRs, so unless OS X is designed or patched to cope with the XP installer there would be a problem.

    A neater solution would probably be a native version of VirtualPC or an equivalent, as you can then copy and paste between Windows and OS X.

  52. Re:Geek Ready? by LostCauz · · Score: 3, Informative

    "There are very limited UNIX-type tools included, such as there is no gcc, make, and X11"

    Uh...from Apple's web site:

    "With a compiler machine model developed by Apple in partnership with IBM, Xcode uses GCC 4.0 to optimize code for Apple's PowerPC G5 architecture." (http://www.apple.com/macosx/developertools/)

    make is also there... (although not on that page, it is on the developer site)

    and...

    What's this? OH NO! It's X11!!! http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/

    Troll.

  53. Re:Never Microsoft Windows again. by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Informative

    It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has implemented some kind of unique encrypted handshaking between the OS X installer and the hardware so that only Apple's OS can be installed on it, so that they can avoid receiving support calls from people who put Windows on Apple hardware. Keep in mind that even if they refuse to provide support for such a configuration, the bulk of a support call's cost is in the customer placing the call in the first place. If someone calls only to be told "we don't support that", that has already cost Apple a good bit of money.

    They won't support that, but they declared already that they will do nothing to prevent it. After Apple Intel FAQ:

    After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that.

  54. Classic has left the building by pjcreath · · Score: 3, Informative

    There were rumblings about the Intel Macs dropping Classic support, but now it looks official. Compare the software specs for the PowerBook G4 to the MacBook Pro.

  55. Yawn... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I dunno but for the extra ~$550, I could get a much faster laptop than the MacBook *or* I could get the Gateway and have the money in my pocket.

    Yet again somebody makes the case for buying a Kia instead of a Benz. And before anybody is tempted to start bitching about the analogy being invalid since both the Dell and the MacBook have more or less the same 'engine' please note that if the outgoing PowerBook line is anything to judge by you get a bit more than just $550 worth of Software with the MacBook. That would include both consumer software like iMovie, iDVD, (plus a whole slew of other consumer software) and a pretty sophisticated development package. Does the Dell ship with a decent Movie editor, DVD authoring software and a full featured copy of MS Visulal Studio (according to MS that will set you back $799, upgrade: $549) as well as Windows XP? Another point is that the MacBook is likely to remain the only computer on the market able to stably triple boot OS.X Windows, and Linux which for me is a major reason to buy one although personally I probably will settle for running Windows 2003 and LINUX on some Virtual PC type setup.

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  56. Re:Too expensive... by CerebusUS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What it doesn't have (comparatively):

    Decent support.

    I will never, never, never buy Gateway again.

    Dell has better support, though not by much.

  57. Re:The MacBook Pro by phalse+phace · · Score: 3, Informative

    FYI, iWork '06 is not standard. It's just a trial version.

  58. Re:The MacBook Pro by soft_guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Office Basic (as the mac comes with iWork '06)

    No, it comes with iWork '06 preview. If you want iWork preinstalled, it is a BTO option for $79 which is the same as retail price.

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  59. Re:Indeed by flosofl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've read 1984, haven't you? Those weren't TVs, they were computers.

    Yes, because as everyone knows the Mac has so saturated the market to be near ubiquitous.

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  60. I demand better because Apple is better than... by ashpool7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. this nickel and dime crap.

    * USB robs CPU cycles (yes, I want all of them)
    * USB does not chain
    * You don't connect DV devices over USB
    * USB on-the-go does not bring it to feature parity with FireWire
    * USB has nothing on FireWire in terms of bandwidth

    I don't buy Macs because they are missing advanced technology. I buy them because they have it by *default*. I get the latest USB and Bluetooth standards. If I am paying $3,000 for a high-end laptop it better damn well have the latest and greatest version of FireWire that cost them $2 to put in.

  61. Re:The MacBook Pro by lost_n_confused · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if I bolt a snow plow on a Yugo I have a truck. Bolting garbage on the outside of something is not as clean or appealing as having it built in. Having a Bluetooth dongle and a cam with a cable is not the same thing as built in.

    By the way loading of a free *nix is not the same thing as a OS that is supported by a company. So if you have a problem with your install who are you going to call for free support? Go ahead and load iTunes and MS Office on your version of *nix and make sure that you have that special MS support number for Office versions running on *nix.

    Why are you bothering with using a Gateway computer you can buy barebones laptops and build your own. Hey you can save even more buying an LCD panel and duct taping a small computer to the back of it.

    Why don't you compare similar items. An OS with telephone support, an Office package with phone support, built in features that actually work rather then bolt on items that may or may not work, and when you buy your bolt on crap don't go for the lowest price bargain bin trash go with a name brand item.

    I am all for OSS but you might as well say the Gateway is a rip off since includes software. You and I might enjoy playing with computers but 99% of computer users are just that users. Any version of *nix is not as good for the average user because of the lack of a support structure.

    If I asked my wife to compile something so she can install a program she needs to run she would tell me to kiss her ass as would 99% of the computer users out there. Talk to someone at Best Buy and ask them how many people come in looking to buy a new computer because their old one is full of spyware and they would rather buy a new one then redo the old one. The Gateway and the MacBook are both directed at those users and the MacBook just happens to do the job better. The right tool for the right job I always say.

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  62. Re:Never Microsoft Windows again. by gentlemen_loser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why? I mean really. Why in the name of all that is holy would ANYONE want to put Windows on a Mac?

    I switched FROM Linux (which I was fairly happy with as a longtime user) to OS X about 6 months ago. Comming from Linux - I actually GAINED games that I can play. That being said - around 1995 I switched from Windows to Linux. I just learned to live without Windows specific software. It really does not take much. What gaming I could not do with Linux I substituted with a console. I can see why some people would want to dual boot Linux (I still feel that open source has great merit and the urge to tinker is hard to overcome), but Windows?

    To put it another way - WHY would you go out and buy yourself a Mercedes, drive it home happily, then promptly put a nice set of square wheels on it?!?

    There is just SOO much crap in the way of viruses and MBR issues that you'd be creating for yourself that would ruin the reason you own a Mac. Why do that to yourself?

  63. obligatory by Z0mb1eman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Now we'll finally be able to combine the security and ease of use of Windows with the flexibility and low cost of Apple hardware!"

    (first read somewhere here on Slashdot, I'm sure)

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  64. Re:Heh by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So much for the bogus 42" and 50" media center plasmas.

    The Rumors sites, such as ThinkSecret and MacOSRumors.com, were almost universally wrong this time around.

    No new iBook. No Intel mini. No plasma TV's. No "media center" mini. No movie streaming on demand (that was Cringely's guess). None of it.

    As of this keynote, Intel chips are going into the iMac and the replacement for the Powerbook... just about the only systems which NOBODY predicted upgrades for.

    Looks like Apple managed to plug up the leaks from last year.

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  65. What's with the hardware downgrades? by diamondsw · · Score: 3, Informative
    Okay, what's the rationale behind dropping things that existed on the "old" Powerbook?
    1. Firewire 800 - Sure, the iPod moved to USB and such. But why NOT use Firewire 800? You can plug Firewire 400 into it, but you wouldn't want to do the opposite (people bought 800 for a reason). Why would you step backwards on your own technology like that?
    2. DVD DL Burner - Yup, you read right - no dual layer burning. No mention anywhere, especially in the tech specs, which DOES list dual layer reading speeds. Again, why?
    3. S-Video out - Powerbooks had it, MacBooks don't. Apple sells a DVI to S-Video adapter, but doesn't say if it's compatible (which is troublesome since the mini-DVI has been updated for the iMac Intel).

    I can't fathom why they'd introduce a new generation of hardware like this and drop back on features that are almost a no-op to keep.
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  66. Estimations??? by ainsoph · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On when Photoshop and such will be native? Oh to be free of carbon!

  67. Re:The MacBook Pro by kanweg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I use a PowerBook to earn my living (have a small company. No not in the creative sector. Who told people that Macs are only used there?). $450 is VERY easy to earn back over a couple of years, eh months. Things like Spotlight which make that I don't have t spend time searching for files, and not having to worry about virusses (which advantage may be lost on Intel-based Macs in the near future) make this saving very real. And even if that weren't all there: Working with a nice looking machine, a nice OS, nice apps etc. help to enjoy work. Worth less than a buck a day? Definitely.

    Bert

  68. Hot potatoes, Oxford shores, Puck to make amends! by Bake · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hot potatoes, Oxford shores, Puck to make amends!

  69. Re:No modem. by Reaperducer · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use my Powerbook's modem for sending and receiving faxes. In many lines of business, it's the only way to get things done, especially anything with contracts or that requires signatures. And faxing is indespensible for international business. Fortunately, Apple's little USB (fax?)/modem is super small for traveling.

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  70. Lithium-polymer battery by fredmosby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I noticed in the that the MacBook Pro has a lithium-polymer battery instead of a lithium-ion battery like the PowerBook G4. The battery in the new laptop is 60 watt-hour vs. 50 watt-hour for the old laptop. Can anyone tell me why apple would choose a lithium-polymer batteries over lithium-ion.

  71. Re:The MacBook Pro by lost_n_confused · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am so glad the Novell has decided to give away free telephone support for a free product. No wonder they are on the verge of collapse if they are giving you free software and then letting you talk to a person on the phone for support. Wait thats not right if YOU PAY Novell then you get phone support. Being a dumb ass is why you equate a free product with a paid for support product.

    I hope to God you don't work in IT and actually are allowed to make architecture decisions. Hey lets use SUSE cuz it is free and Novell supports it. Wrong blowzo Novell will only support it if you PAY them. Please show me all of the phone numbers for all of the free distributions so I can give them to people when they have a problem.

    Find me 1 single company or person that gives free phone support for any free version of *nix. You use something free to make your point and then when your balls are nailed to the door you resort to name calling and see see Novell supports it. So you need to add in the cost of a support contract for a single user copy of SUSE from Novell. What is the cost of that? The online support for *nix is terrible for the non-technical user. The *nix forums are notorious for flaming newbies with what they consider a trivial problem that anyone worthy of using *nix should know.

    Oh by the way how does a person that has one computer get on the internet to see how to fix his networking problem that won't let him on the internet. If Yast, rpm, and .deb are so wonderful then why is the in internet full of 1000's of questions about installation issues? The people that put the packages together do a fine job but since they aren't being paid they don't fix all problems because they don't have the resources.

    You know it is better to be a moron then a fuckhead with a brain the size of his penis like you. As for enlightenment the closest you get to being enlightened is when you pull your head out of your ass once a year to see if winter is over.

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