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Formula For Procrastination Found

kandela writes "Science Daily reports that a University of Calgary academic has published a paper titled The Nature of Procrastination: A Meta-Analytic and Theoretical Review of Quintessential Self-Regulatory Failure in the Psychological Bulletin. The research reveals that most people's New Year's resolutions are doomed to failure, most self-help books have it completely wrong when they say perfectionism is at the root of procrastination, and procrastination can be explained by a single mathematical equation. The research is apparently the culmination of 10 years work. However, no indication was given of how much time was spent putting it off before it was begun." From the article: "Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task... Perfectionism is not the culprit. In fact, perfectionists actually procrastinate less, but they worry about it more."

191 comments

  1. That's great! by Vengeance · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have to remember to read it later.

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    1. Re:That's great! by AoT · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, it's like they say, hard work may pay off later, but procrastination pays off now.

      P.S. I would've gotten first post, but I kept putting it off and putting it off.

    2. Re:That's great! by AchiIIe · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Well, I was going to tag it on del.icio.us as toRead ... and read it later, good thing I read your entry. Joking aside the artice does not say anything about avoiding it, and I've tried everything, from egg timers to google calendar to elastic bands on the wrist (smack yourself when you catch yourself doing a bad habit) (see http://www.amazon.com/Snap-Out-Herbert-S-Cohen/dp/ 0871318962 )

      I've given up and now accept my procrastination as a way of life

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    3. Re:That's great! by genesus · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Never put off till tomorrow, what you can do the day after tomorrow."

    4. Re:That's great! by jginspace · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I have to remember to read it later."

      No worries, the dupe'll be around in a couple of days.

    5. Re:That's great! by williamhb · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tenagers rejoice -- now whenever your parents ask why you haven't tidied your room, you can give them the formula and tell them to work it out for themselves.

    6. Re:That's great! by GNious · · Score: 1

      ...but, its gonna be too cold by then..

    7. Re:That's great! by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't find the thread anymore, but this is in response to the criticism about DOS 2.0. While the file system inprovements aren't perfect, they are much better than 1.1. Now we can use hard disks along with the 360KB floppies. I've seen some as big at 10MBs.

    8. Re:That's great! by JT+Snortbuckle+JrIII · · Score: 1

      My motto: Start slow and taper off. Hmmmm.. I should have changed my sig *months* ago.

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    9. Re:That's great! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Given that "...procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task..." and "Other predictors of procrastination include: task aversiveness, impulsiveness, distractibility, and how much a person is motivated to achieve.", your solutions will not work. You can't fix self confidence with a calendar and a rubber band.

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    10. Re:That's great! by zCyl · · Score: 1

      ...worry about that when the time comes.

    11. Re:That's great! by esmoothie · · Score: 5, Funny

      "procrastination is like masturbation: it's all good until you realized that you just fucked yourself"

    12. Re:That's great! by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny
      You can't fix self confidence with a calendar and a rubber band.

      McGuyver could do it with a broken rubber band & the month of February.
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    13. Re:That's great! by eyendall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Procrastinate now, don't put it off.

    14. Re:That's great! by LearnToSpell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Masturbation's way better - you're fucking yourself now AND you're fucking yourself later.

    15. Re:That's great! by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

      "Never put off for tomorrow what you can put off for good."

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    16. Re:That's great! by darthgnu · · Score: 1

      Bah, I'll just procrastinate later.

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    17. Re:That's great! by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be procrasturbation?

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    18. Re:That's great! by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      Why do we need an entire formula for this? I thought we all knew the answer already... 42

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    19. Re:That's great! by drawfour · · Score: 1

      Is that because you're not confident that you can read it now?

    20. Re:That's great! by LordEd · · Score: 2

      Sounds like the despair poster

  2. soo.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I told you so!

  3. Second post! by Commander+Doofus · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I was trying for the first post, but put it off too long.

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    1. Re:Second post! by notnAP · · Score: 1
      I have a great idea for a funny post... I'll make a reference to trying to get the first post, but say I put it off too long!
      Hmmm... I should probably read the posts to make sure I'm not the second guy to come up with this "second guy" idea...
      Note to self... read posts to reasearch rsik* of being tagged redundant when I get around to it.

      *2nd note to self... spell check when I get around to it, too.

    2. Re:Second post! by kenb215 · · Score: 1

      Just because somebody read another "second guy" post before this doesn't mean that it actually came first. Looking at the time stamps, GP was posted as the start of a thread at :23, while the earliest other "second guy" post (which was modded up) was a reply in the first post thread made at :26, three minutes later.

  4. End link tag please... by RyanFenton · · Score: 1, Funny

    Could it be, that the poster procrastinated in adding his ?

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:End link tag please... by BurningPi · · Score: 0
    2. Re:End link tag please... by jerkface.us · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just look at the page's src code. I'll do it later.
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  5. I was going to submit this story months ago by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Funny

    but just didnt get around to doing it.

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  6. HD-DVD keys by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny
    The movie industry is going to master a bunch of different versions of every movie, with different keys in each - hoping that it will stem the tide of 'piracy'. I don't think it's going to work.

    I wanted to post this in the last story, but I just got around to it now.

    1. Re:HD-DVD keys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who modded this as "offtopic" obviously has no sense of humor what so ever... brilliant funny post!

  7. What the TFA is about? by kirils · · Score: 1

    Is the poor old man out of his mind or have I forgotten what "funny" is?

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    1. Re:What the TFA is about? by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll get back to you on that one...

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  8. Meh. by numbski · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'll deal with it later. :\

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  9. Old news by i_should_be_working · · Score: 3, Funny

    A law for procrastination was found centuries ago.

    1. Re:Old news by BurningPi · · Score: 0

      But this is a formula.

      But Yes, you are right; I saw this in the newspaper on Tuesday (here's a link).

      I guess the poster put it off until today.

  10. Wait what? by KillzoneNET · · Score: 0
    "Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task... Perfectionism is not the culprit. In fact, perfectionists actually procrastinate less, but they worry about it more."

    Wait, so instead of just wanting to do something else that is not only more fun, but more worth while means I don't have the confidence to pump out a 5 page essay in under 2 hours? Sure it is...

    I DON'T do my work because I know that I CAN do the work, so why do it now?

    I see a flaw in this book already.

    1. Re:Wait what? by chemisus · · Score: 1

      That sounds like me also. Ive never considered myself as someone who procrastinates, but rather as a lazy perfectionist.

    2. Re:Wait what? by Original+Replica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm glad that in the article they did mention other factors, such as being prone to distraction. Without my Ritalin, I often procrastiate or forget to do things. I have no deep seated fear of failure to wash my dishes, but I do have to walk past my playstation to get to the dishes.

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    3. Re:Wait what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So move the PlayStation.

      And if there's nowhere else to move it, sell it.

      You won't die.

  11. Quite a title there by Arramol · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A Meta-Analytic and Theoretical Review of Quintessential Self-Regulatory Failure" - sounds like something out of Calvin and Hobbes. "The Dynamics of Interbeing and Monological Imperatives in Dick and Jane: A Study in Psychic Transrelational Gender Modes."

    1. Re:Quite a title there by Masato · · Score: 3, Funny

      Although I've already seen at least one post to PhD comics, I figured I'd post another since it fits your title so well: Thesis Titles

  12. Uhh, the opposite for me by amplusquem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task... Perfectionism is not the culprit. In fact, perfectionists actually procrastinate less, but they worry about it more."

    I procrastinate because I HAVE confidence that I can finish the task later, not because I'm afraid that I won' actually be able to complete a task. If I'm afraid about finishing a task, I will start it earlier. Fear of not being able to complete a task leads to NOT doing that task for a lot of people, not procrastinating.

    These "scientific studies" over analyze simple things such as procrastination. Ever think that maybe it's because of laziness, or just that you really want to watch that football game?

    1. Re:Uhh, the opposite for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would respond that, since you have confidence that you can finish a task later, what you do is not procrastination, but rather ordinary deadline management. What other people think of you deadline management and whether or not you are actually correct in your assumptions are irrelevant to whether you are a procrastinator.

    2. Re:Uhh, the opposite for me by temcat · · Score: 1

      I'm a hell of a procrastinator and I too procrastinate when I know that I can finish the task later. Moreover, procrastination actually made me more confident in myself where work is concerned, because now I know for sure that I can do huge amounts of good enough work in a unit of time.

      That being said, my resolutions about diets and physical exercises have usually been more or less of a failure :-)

    3. Re:Uhh, the opposite for me by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      I procrastinate because I HAVE confidence that I can finish the task later, not because I'm afraid that I won' actually be able to complete a task.

      The author of the article would probably argue that what you're doing doesn't meet the definition of procrastination, then. Procrastination isn't merely choosing to postpone a task that can just as easily be done later; it's putting something off that you know you need to start now.

    4. Re:Uhh, the opposite for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Procrastinators have less confidence in the ability of their co-workers to complete a task on time (and correctly). Procrastination is a survival skill for talented employees of large corporations. If you're gung-ho and get the job done quickly, you must do it all over again when the specifications change a week before the delivery date. If you have "slack time", you must fix the mess the department screw-ups made of their assignments (all the while remaining a "team player" and saying nothing about the wretched pile of shit you're facing and the idiots who caused it.). If you get straight to work on the project, you'll see all that effort wasted when the "market window" mysteriously vanishes and the project gets cancelled. Procrastination in such a working environment is a rational response to adverse working conditions, not a character flaw.

      Better post A/C on this one: I have a family to support!

  13. The author's isn't a procrastinator by waterbear · · Score: 1

    He's published early for April 1

    -wb-

    1. Re:The author's isn't a procrastinator by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      He's published early for April 1

            Nahh, it was supposed to be April 1, 1989. He's just being consistent!

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    2. Re:The author's isn't a procrastinator by waterbear · · Score: 1

      Or maybe I got that wrong and it was supposed to out last April 1

      -wb-

  14. At least in my case, totally wrong. by pla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task... Perfectionism is not the culprit. In fact, perfectionists actually procrastinate less, but they worry about it more.

    I procrastinate. Hard-core. I'll put off week-long tasks until the night before. I don't do this because I expect to fail and can blame starting too late - I do it because I know perfecly well that I can do that and still finish the task on time.

    If you accuse me of any confidence-related shortfall, you'd have to call me over- confident. Perfectionist, though? In some things, yes. But I don't procrastinate for that reason either. Where do these absurd theories come from?



    You want to know why I procrastinate, knowing full-well that, while I may not produce my best results, I also have no doubt that I will succeed in producing an acceptible finished product? Simple - Because I've found that at least half the time, the task's nature changes significantly or the task outright goes away. No joke.

    In school, teachers/professors would always extend deadlines because most people whined too loudly that they considered the (perfectly easy and reasonable) assignment too hard or unfair. Professors would scale back the requirements, excuse subpar work, and often never even bother looking at what people turned in.

    In the working world, most "urgent problems" that come up, go away without any intervention by the next day. Long term projects have their budgets slashed at the end of the quarter. reports never get read anyway.



    So, by putting everything off until the last minute, I find myself with a hell of a lot more time to spend on meaningful (aka "self directed") activities.

    That doesn't, however, translate to "lazy". When I say "self-directed", I mean self-directed. I have always impressed my professors or managers not with the quality of my assigned work, but with the quality of what I do for its own sake. But then, I enjoy what I do, so my "personal" projects tend to have value to any endeavor I take on.



    And all this because I procrastinate, a habit looked down on by most people.

    1. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need to procrastinate, I just attempt to organize myself around others for the same outcome.

    2. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Nedmud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the answer to this is that what you're doing isn't real procrastination --- instead, you say you do this because you know it's the optimum course of action for some tasks. Many procrastinators know full well that they should get started NOW, but they just don't.

    3. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree with the parent completely, and feel this describes me as well. I have no fear about completing a project, but know that it is just more efficient to do so at the last minute than to begin immediately.

      The one time in my life (Freshman year, I naively believed college was more difficult than high school) I began a paper a full two weeks before it was due. I spent a ridiculous amount of time on it. Changing this phrase, wiping out that one. In the end, I was pretty proud of the paper, and maintain it is one of the best things I have ever written. Final grade, A-.

      The time invested was easily triple my norm for a paper, and I netted the exact same grade (granted the average on this paper was a D-, TA had an english minor and wanted to prove he could be a dick). My little tinkerings made a better paper, but creating a 'perfect' paper took far too much time.

      Upon later reflection, I realized that a great deal of my time wasn't even spent on the paper itself. I knew I had plenty of time to waste, and so would read slashdot, stare at the tv, etc, all while I was 'writing' my paper. I had time to burn.

      Contrasted to last semester when my Anthropology professor (gotta get those GEs out of the way) assigned a five page paper due in three weeks, I did not think about it until two days before it was due. I knew full well, that when I could feel the fire under my ass and I had ten hours to turn it in, I would be hepped-up on Mt. Dew and furiously typing away, because no matter what, I was going to finish it. It might not be the best paper ever written, but it would be done. End result: A-.

    4. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by apostrophesemicolon · · Score: 1

      adding to parent thread pla's comment,

      aside from knowing my ability to fulfill the requirement of the task on time, I also need another factor to set in to be able to start and perform what I need to do: the sense of URGENCY.

      In college, at night before an exam (quiz, midt, or even final) I would not, or could not, study until early AM. My typical night-before-exam is chill/hangout with friends, then jay leno, then o'brien, then maybe some other shows after that. By this time I'd probably be hungry and fix myself some ramen.

      Then I'd sit by the desk and start reading. The reading won't take long due to distraction of what's on the computer, maybe check out ebay items, check out who's online on IM, play songs, etc.
      Finally, the brain is most ready for academic input at around 3 to 5 hours prior to exam. By then, even skimming the pages would still result in good grades.

      Therefore, I think procrastination is just a phase to build an incentive for the self. For others maybe it's to wait for all necessary info to set in before starting the task, for me it's the sense of urgency.

    5. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Nedmud · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should add that I don't mean to say this as a snipe at procrastinators, but from my own experience as a chronic procrastinator.

    6. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by JamesTRexx · · Score: 1

      I also procrastinate because I'm rather overconfident. Having dealt with consultants who eventually turned out to be just as knowledgeable as I was halfway through projects didn't lessen my confidence.
      The one thing I have to do when I have to do anything is just start it. It's like I have to switch myself on and then I do it, and then often I feel good doing it.
      Knowing I'm very lazy helps as well because then I know what to deal with to get myself to do something.

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    7. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      In the working world, most "urgent problems" that come up, go away without any intervention by the next day. Long term projects have their budgets slashed at the end of the quarter. reports never get read anyway.

      So, by putting everything off until the last minute, I find myself with a hell of a lot more time to spend on meaningful (aka "self directed") activities.

      Hi, pla, this is your boss. I'm going to have to put off your next raise. And your next paycheck.

      ;)

    8. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Mordibity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well put. As a good friend of mine once said (Hi Joe!):
      If it can't be done the night before...
      it can't be done.

    9. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      And this is why all such formulas, assuming they have any accuracy at all, have limited power of prediction. Humans are not rational actors; they are arbitrary and capricious. Human behaviour is complex, and beyond our basic needs (hungry => find food), very little of it can be reduced to simple formula.

      Just ask a quant.

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    10. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Worldestroyer · · Score: 1

      I would say i'm the mix of both the article and your kind of 'procrastination'. I keep putting things off until the deadline because I know I can do it, and believe it's easy, and it usually is. But as the deadline comes around I lose all confidence in myself, don't believe I can complete it and end up not doing it. Everyone's different..

    11. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by DCheesi · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Realistically, even if you're completely convinced of your ability to do the job, it would be better to get the work done immediately just in case some bizarre misfortune should befall you on or before the last night (before the work is due). So if you choose to wait until the last night/minute, it's either because you're 1) Confident to the point of delusion ("nothing can hurt me"), or 2) you're really not as confident as you think. Or 3) you're skilled, but very unwise...

    12. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      One time I spent a month on a small paper--end result I got an A+. Another time, I didn't do the paper at all, and it turned out my professor thought he had read mine and lost it, didn't want to bring it up to me, and I got an A+. Therefore, not doing any work at all is better than doing any. Oh wait, there's that little problem of anecdotal evidence. Hmm, I bet it applies to another post in this thread. Where could it be? Perhaps it's right above mine.

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    13. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      "the task's nature changes significantly or the task outright goes away."

      I remember early in grad school I finished off a project a few days after it was assigned. Then the profressor did just that and I had to significantly modify my program. The worst part is, when I asked him, "What about the people that have already done the project?" His response was, "They should have procrastinated."

    14. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by residents_parking · · Score: 1

      I have a boss that does this, and it works well for him, while delaying everyone else. Actually it doesn't work well for him, because it's bad for his company: most jobs run late and we don't invoice as much as we should.

      I take your point about tasks changing significantly, but the answer is to get the job done before feature creep sets in, invoice, and move on to the next one.

    15. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by pla · · Score: 1

      it would be better to get the work done immediately just in case some bizarre misfortune should befall you on or before the last night (before the work is due).

      Although I'd rather not normally think of it in those terms, if some bizarre misfortune befalls me (great turn of phrase, BTW, Kudos!), the project still goes to "irrelevant" status - But not because the project itself changed.

      However, planning on that happening would indeed seem unwise, since it only really works once. But that one time - Wow! Would you want to face the afterlife knowing that, in your last three weeks of life, you completed the annual report on paperclip vs staple use in the third floor secretary pool? ;-)


      But yes, I do take personal illness into consideration - I figure, if something serious enough comes up, I'll have bigger problems than worrying about work. And as I mentioned, I do get projects finished, when still relevant at the due date. Few managers will complain about a rare one-week schedule slip, given suitable extenuating circumstances.

    16. Re:At least in my case, totally wrong. by Kuvter · · Score: 1

      The main point that I agree with here is that you're doing something else productive, while procrastinating.

      I've had many times this has happened. I'd procrastinate some assignment, but then my laundry gets done, my room gets clean, and my car gets clean. Yes I procrastinated, but I probably got more done then I would have had I not procrastinated.

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  15. So this is it by zakeria · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this is slashdot.. I'll report my cure for cancer ... sometime soon ... perhaps..

  16. We're a federally protected class by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA: It's still unclear why some people may be more prone to developing procrastination behaviour, but some evidence suggests it may be genetic"

    If it is genetic, then procrastinator should be protected under discrimination laws, like vets, the blind, etc. "You can't charge me interest or penalties on my unpaid income tax! I'm disabled by GPD." ( Genetic Procrastination Disorder )

    1. Re:We're a federally protected class by Joebert · · Score: 1

      That's small potatoes, do you know how many times I've been wrongfully fired for my GPD ?

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    2. Re:We're a federally protected class by ronalfy · · Score: 1

      If it's genetic, perhaps my parents should have procrastinated longer before having children.

    3. Re:We're a federally protected class by Shar-Kali-Sharri · · Score: 1

      From TFA: "It's still unclear why some people may be more prone to developing procrastination behaviour, but some evidence suggests it may be genetic"

      OR: "Its still inclear why some people may be more prone to developing [insert anything here], but some evidence suggest it may be genetic"

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    4. Re:We're a federally protected class by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      From TFA: If it is genetic, then procrastinator should be protected under discrimination laws, like vets, the blind, etc. "You can't charge me interest or penalties on my unpaid income tax! I'm disabled by GPD." ( Genetic Procrastination Disorder )
       
       
      Right!
      We need to organize a lobbying campaign right away...
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    5. Re:We're a federally protected class by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      Right!
      We need to organize a lobbying campaign right away...


      I'll do it tomorrow. Maybe.

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    6. Re:We're a federally protected class by zsau · · Score: 1

      Sure, we'll let you off the hook--once you've filled out Forms 11G, 17B and at least sections one, three, five and ten of form 28L. Unfortunately, we've run out of copies of 28L so you'll need to come back on Wednesday. Form 17B can usually be picked up from the office on the other side of town; otherwise, ask for it here when you come back. Filling in forms 2B and 110-2007 will also provide income assistance if you can demonstrate that your procrastination has caused un- or underemployment and thereby financial hardship, but these won't be available till after the others have been processed. Form 11G must be accompanied by proof that you carry the procrastination gene and stat decs from yourself and at least three past employers or schoolteachers that procrastination has caused underacheivement. Note also the fine print on from 17B that states it is invalidated by evidence that you can get around to things if you try hard enough.

      (Also, why are people who look after sick cats protected under discrimination laws? Do I misunderstand 'vet'?)

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    7. Re:We're a federally protected class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Veteran. Not veterinarian.

  17. Will the formula change now? by EarthlingN · · Score: 1

    Do you think people will take these findings into account when they planning on procrastinating from now on? Will that change the formula?

    1. Re:Will the formula change now? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      No, because they'll never get around to reading it.

      A friend of mine, way back when he was a Boy Scout, was given a circular disc of wood and told to burn the letters "TUIT" into it. He did so, and when he asked what it meant, he was told "the next time somebody says 'they just haven't got around to it yet', he should hand them the disc and say, 'here you go'".

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  18. Links by martyb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Links to the sources:

    BTW: A quote I saw on the latter site:

    "One of the greatest labor-saving inventions of today is tomorrow." Vincent T. Foss
  19. Useless formula by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steel has also come up with the E=mc2 of procrastination, a formula he's dubbed Temporal Motivational Theory, which takes into account factors such as the expectancy a person has of succeeding with a given task (E), the value of completing the task (V), the desirability of the task (Utility), its immediacy or availability (G) and the person's sensitivity to delay (D).

    It looks like this and uses the Greek letter G (capital gamma [except I changed the gamma to a G since slashdot wouldn't take the gamma]): Utility = E x V / GD


    Here's my problem with psychology types coming up with formulae--the results of the calculation depend heavily on the scale used for measurement of the variables. I don't know of any standard scale for "expectancy of succeeding with a given task" or any of the other variables. Further, it seems that these variables would depend on self-evaluation, which we all know is not particularly useful--particularly in this area.

    In other words--why did this guy claim to make a formula? Formulae are for people looking for a result that is reasonably precise; but in this case the extremely imprecise input will result in useless output.

    1. Re:Useless formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but it does say a lot in a small space. I can look at that formula and quickly see the relationship between these psychological factors, and understand the whole idea without reading the hundreds of words it would take to express the same thing.

      Plus, formulas are cool. This article would never have made slashdot without the formula (and I, for one, welcome our... oh nevermind).

    2. Re:Useless formula by Joebert · · Score: 1

      Who reads stuff about procrastination ?
      Procrastinators, they wonder why they do it.
      Who bothers to figure out some strange formula about procrastination ?
      Not procrastinators, they haven't got around to learning how to read formulas.
      It was a fairly safe bet on his part.

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      Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
    3. Re:Useless formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the point of the formula. It's not there to plug numbers in and get some kind of an answer. It's simply a shorter way of writing
      "The desirability of a task is directly proportional to the expectation of success and the value of completing the task, and inversely proportional to immediacy or availability of the task and your sensitivity to delay"

      As to what this means I have no idea.

    4. Re:Useless formula by F.Minusia · · Score: 0

      Typically in studies of this kind and formulas of the type, the variables will take relative values. And within communities of a type some uniformity is essential for accepting such formulas. During the data collection stage, respondents will be expected to assign relative ranks for many questions. That is one way of getting such formulas. btw Gamma is $\Gammma$ in tex

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    5. Re:Useless formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll check this formula later.

    6. Re:Useless formula by ozbird · · Score: 1

      He missed a term: repulsion of dealing with salesmen (R).
      (Especially car salesmen - surely replacing them with a web form would be a win-win situation for the company and the buyer?)

    7. Re:Useless formula by learn+fast · · Score: 1

      I don't know of any standard scale for "expectancy of succeeding with a given task" or any of the other variables.

      That's because you didn't RTFA! Of course he had to come up with or borrow standardized tests to give a score for each of the variables, and statistically test their construct validity and reliability, to boot

    8. Re:Useless formula by Livius · · Score: 1

      Qualitative formulae can be useful, but often they give a false sense of precision. In this case a simple list of independent variables would have been much more appropriate (and intellectually honest). A definition of "sensitivity to delay" would have been nice too.

    9. Re:Useless formula by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      Ummm, I did RTFA, and I just read it again to see what you were talking about. There's no mention in there of standardized tests for any of the factors. Additionally, if the formula was intended to be precise, it would have to take into account the degree that one factor matters in comparison to another. I didn't however read the actual paper; perhaps there is more in the paper.

    10. Re:Useless formula by Procrastinus · · Score: 1

      I am impressed with the quality of comments on this site, but it is always annoying to hear views from people who believe they can definitively review 30 pages of science, published in the world's most prestigious peer-reviewed social science journal (Psychological Bulletin), based upon a half-page news column somewhere and 12 seconds of thought. I bring up that it is prestigious just to indicate perhaps other people aren't quite as stupid as you portray. To clarify some sloppy thinking I am reading, the study is a mathematical compliation of ALL research done on the topic. ALL research on the topic consistently shows three major outcomes, procrastinators tend to be:

        i) Less confident in their abilities
      ii) Like what they are putting off more
      iii) Tend to more impuslive, more distractible, and surrounded by more distractions

      The biggest of these is the last, impusliveness. You can be a procrastinator with that trait alone (again, you can be confident in your abilities and procrastinate, it is just a contributing factor). How to explain this? Hmm, well in another article "Integrating Theories of Motivation", published in the world's most prestigious peer-reviewed management journal (Academy of Management Review), I show consilience (I am a big E.O. Wilson fan) among several streams of thought, that we are verging on a common understanding of human nature, which in a very simplified form (appropriate for a news program) can be understood as E x V/(Gamma x Delay. Of course, the academic article has the freedom to go into this for dozens of pages. If you serious about this at all, please read it.

      So, so far, any reader has two choices, believe:

      i) The negative comments of a few habitual malcontents is right OR
      ii) The collective work of several fields, including neuroscience, psychology, and economics is right. Remember, these were REVIEW articles. In other words, you are really are criticizing science as a whole.

      Really, you should be holding yourself to higher intellectual standards than this.

      Piers Steel

    11. Re:Useless formula by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      Hey--allow us to be skeptical. A formula determining procrastination? Seriously.... (keep in mind that I'm not willing to pay the money to read the full article, and that the "formula" sounds awfully similar to this)

      However, one commenter above actually said something useful in response to my skepticism (as opposed to your useless rant). He noted that the equation isn't meant to be an input of precise measurements with an output of a meaningful numerical value, but rather a mere visual method of depicting the relationship of the variables involved. That, I believe is how Slashdot works--I expressed skepticism, and explained why; the responder answered my skepticism with a reasonable explanation. What a good way to run a discussion board! Try not to clog it with your rants.

  20. Fermat's Lazy Therom by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    "I have discovered a truly marvellous proof, which I'll jot down in this margin later."

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    One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
  21. Oh, one of those "Formula for XY found" stories... by johnny+maxwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These stories are just clever PR gags, they contain nothing of scientific value. Just look at the "equation" for a moment and you start wondering what the actually equate:

    "Steel has also come up with the E=mc2 of procrastination, a formula he's dubbed Temporal Motivational Theory, which takes into account factors such as the expectancy a person has of succeeding with a given task (E), the value of completing the task (V), the desirability of the task (Utility), its immediacy or availability () and the person's sensitivity to delay (D). It looks like this and uses the Greek letter (capital gamma): Utility = E x V / D"

    See: "expectancy", "value", "desirability" and so on. Perfect scientific quantities, don't you think?

    Read more about those jerks atGuardian's Bad Science, they come up regularly

  22. Procrasticode by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 5, Interesting

    do {
        if (job.time_allocated < job.deadline - now()) {
            play();
        }else{
            work();
        }
    } while (!job.finished)


    That's how I do it even though this is clearly more efficient:

    while (!job.finished) work();
    play();

    --
    +0 Meh
    1. Re:Procrasticode by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 1

      Are you planning to compile this anytime soon? :o

    2. Re:Procrasticode by funfail · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because we both know that without a deadline, finishing a job means starting another job, leaving no time for play.

    3. Re:Procrasticode by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 1

      The really efficient people have...

            void play() {
                  work();
            }

    4. Re:Procrasticode by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 1

      That's way too efficient for me, Col Bat Guano -- if that is your real name.

      --
      +0 Meh
  23. First post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to make the first post on this earlier, but I kept putting it off.

  24. A Little Poem by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of a poem that my 4th grade teacher always had on the wall:

    Procrastination is my sin
    It brings me endless sorrow
    I really should stop doing it
    I guess I'll stop tomorrow

    --
    Love sees no species.
    1. Re:A Little Poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "always"? like, every time you were in 4th grade? (I never thought grade school teachers redecorated that often.)

      Sorry, this doesn't mean anything. Just thought it was a funny word choice.

  25. Depression by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Depression goes together with both procrastination and perfectionism (although I don't profess to know which way (if any) the causality works). Depressed people tend to feel guilty they've procrastinated so much, and, as a result, they avoid the task - in other words, they procrastinate further. Depressed people also tend to be dissatisfied with their work (even or perhaps especially when others praise it). Sometimes, that can be a reason to not take the last step in completion or submission.

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    1. Re:Depression by myndzi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Entirely true for me.

      "Steel has also come up with the E=mc2 of procrastination, a formula he's dubbed Temporal Motivational Theory, which takes into account factors such as the expectancy a person has of succeeding with a given task (E), the value of completing the task (V), the desirability of the task (Utility), its immediacy or availability (G) and the person's sensitivity to delay (D). It looks like this and uses the Greek letter (capital gamma): Utility = E x V / GD"

      Something interesting to note here -- if you are something like me, you may have built up an expectancy of failure not due to skill, but due to procrastination. That is, I tend to expect that I won't complete a project, not that I am incapable of doing so. E = 0 is a pretty bad case given the math! How does one rectify such a situation? I'll let you know when I figure it out. I plan to begin studying it tomorrow...

    2. Re:Depression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might explain my behaviour since I have lots of symptoms of depression. I noticed that once an item makes it to my procrastination list I avoid doing it even more since I feel bad whenever I think about it, so I push it out of my mind when it comes up. I never thought about it as guilt, but I guess that makes sense.

  26. Procrastinators drive progress by HungWeiLo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the Type-A do-gooder hardworkers were busy digging holes in the dirt with their bare hands, the lazy procrastinators decided to invent a hoe to do it twenty times faster (and probably starting the job two days after the hand diggers). All technology serves to implement laziness and procrastination, which in turn drives progress.

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    There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
    1. Re:Procrastinators drive progress by Kiba+Ruby · · Score: 1

      No. That is called laziness. Not procrastinators. Procrastinators don't do any work until the last second. Lazy people rather get it over with, with the most efficient and laziest way possible. Although, laziness in itself, hard work. Must. Resist. Temptation. To. Work. Inefficiently.

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      Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone.-RMS
  27. I learned Procrastination in school by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    Early on, I'd start all the assignments my teachers gave to me the day they handed them out. Then later teachers started cancelling harder assignments because people couldn't do them. So I decided at that point if teachers cancel assignments 5-10% of the time, if I wait for the last day possible to do the assignment. Then that stuck. So I'm a procrastinator on all things boring.

    1. Re:I learned Procrastination in school by Joebert · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience, except, I kept getting sent to the principals office for disrupting the rest of the class when I got done with assignents.

      So you see, by becomming a procrastinator, I've made it possible to others to learn & myself to stay out of trouble.

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      Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
  28. Well, duh. Of course perfectionism isn't involved by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I put off stuff when I don't want to do it. End of story. I find that reminding myself of the consequences for not getting things done is only mildly effective. You have to have a balance of work and pleasure. Sometimes, going off and partying really is the answer. When you're "relaxed" or "partied out", then you're more willing to work. If you find yourself fulminating about something you don't want to do, stop. Get a cup of coffee, talk with a friend, play a game, whatever makes you feel good. This will take just as much time, but when you come back you'll be happier about rolling up your sleaves and getting the job done.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  29. 10 Years of "Research" by Colgate2003 · · Score: 1
    However, no indication was given of how much time was spent putting it off before it was begun.

    No, but we do get a hint at it:

    According to this AP article, the study entailed "10 years of research on a project that was supposed to take only five years."

  30. first post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope I didn't wait too long...

  31. damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just wanted to say

  32. Poster by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

    Here's one for all the procrastinators.... I still haven't got round to ordering one though...

    1. Re:Poster by LauraW · · Score: 1

      I like this one better.

  33. Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Posting anonymous for obvious reasons...

    I procrastinate because, yes, I'm an under-achiever and uncertain of myself. But I think I'm an underachiever because I've intentionally and strategically kept new people out of my life for fear of being found out as a bisexual (including remaining a virgin... I don't know if remaining a virgin throughout college is common or if I'm in an extremely tiny minority).

    Instead of succeeding, I purposefully have kept away from doing anything that might even remotely mean people being near or around me for over the last ten years, almost becoming a shut-in hermit except for going to my university (in which I'd talk to nobody). When you're hard-working and successful, and finish your work on time, you have a chance of being in some spotlight, such as the Dean's list or honor roll... remaining anonymous and unknown meant nobody would notice or get hurt if I, oh, just happened to jump off a bridge someday, and I performed accordingly in my work to reflect that. I have nobody to blame but myself for being a coward, having very recently come to terms with how my irrational fears of irrational people have severely jeopardized my well-being; and that if someone has a problem with something so trivial about me, that's THEIR fucking problem, not MINE. But that's another story... I procrastinated on purpose. During these last couple of months I have finally been working on some of the things I wanted to do when in college, at least those things related to computer programming such as teaching myself other programming languages, writing a small game, making a crude graphics rendering engine to learn more OpenGL than I did in college... of course, it's not as fun when you're not working on something like this with fellow students and having fun, but I've graduated and now I'm not sure where or how to meet people in my town.

    Anyway, I'm getting distracted from the subject at hand. Long story short, irrational fears not directly related to what you're procrastinating may indirectly cause you to procrastinate what you're procrastinating... (I hope that wasn't grammar-diarrhea)

    1. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't know if remaining a virgin throughout college is common or if I'm in an extremely tiny minority
      Sorry but you're in the minority.
    2. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can relate to you my friend.

      I have a problem forming relationships with people probably related to some flavor of social anxiety disorder and depression.

      If you are the star student in the class or department people are going to know who you are, look up to you, want to know you, yeah even *gasp* girls...so I'd do the same thing as you.

      And not just for academics! I'd do really great at practice in sports when it's just other players around but when everyone is watching I blow it...everyone thinks it's because I choke under pressure...thanks to the anonymity of the internet I can really admit it's because I don't want all the attention. Sports are fun to play, why these spectators who don't even play want to be your friend or your sex0r I don't get it, you don't even play this damn sport!

      The original article of the story is probably bogus as most people say, and many people procrastinate for all different reasons, but it's nice to know someone else is the same way.

      I guess this behavior falls more into underachiever than procrastinator. A lot of procrastinators get great grades and are darlings of the department so I think it's a separate issue.

    3. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude,
      I can't decide if you're a troll, but if not, here goes:

      Get some help. life is too short to feel this way. There's nothing wrong with you that the miracles of modern pharmacology, a little therapy, and a little exercise can't cure (mostly).

      Will it make you a stud and be the answer to all your dreams? No. You probably have a level of existential angst, like me, that you'll always have. But I'm sure you can get to the point where you can feel reasonably decent most of the time.

      Good luck.

    4. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For social anxiety, I highly recommend the following book: Dying of Embarrassment: Help for Social Anxiety & Phobia. It has helped me greatly.

      I offer the suggestion to you or the parent anyone else, as someone who has struggled with social anxiety and depression all his life and has underachieved as a result.

    5. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Therapy and pills are not needed, I've already had an epiphany of truth hit me like a freight train and that was enough to shake me out of this decade-long rut. I'll spare you the boring details, but my general mood and personality has been improving.

      Anyway, no, I wasn't trolling, not even trolling for advice (I already got my fair share of helpful advice from friends and acquaintances on another site); I was merely pointing out that a person's reasons for procrastination and underachievement can come from many, many, many possible sources of inner strife that no simple "lol this is liek Einstein's relativity equation" can be held metric to, and thus giving one such example.

    6. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely get some help. Talk to a counselor. Its anonymous, you'll realize there is a wider world out there. Best thing you can do for yourself.

    7. Re:Well, sort of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A. Understood - but I'm doing the same to avoid the Google archivers, not what my friends think. They know, or think they know ;-)

      B. Being attracted to "inappropriate" potential partners is a fairly crap explanation. Keeping others out of your life; cool - I know an undercover heroin addict who is a beautiful, talented lawyer. She keeps other people out of her life for obvious and difficult reasons. She is no procrastinator. Additionally, you're in a minority, but not a tiny one - being a member of the local queer association at university, it was interesting to actually take note of how many of the crowd were being very careful about their first time, maybe more than members of the big christian social clubs - don't sweat it I think, you have at least 3-10 shots at the "perfect partner" during your life if my (bad) decisions are anything to go by ;-)

      C.Fundamentally, being a misanthropist is cool. People are messy, damaged and difficult. If it's too much effort and you're actually not interested, don't spend the time. I believe people are messy, damaged, difficult and essentially what makes the world go around, but that's just me. You're entitled to give your life the steer you're comfortable with. I still don't see what your issues with other people has to do with procrastination.

      D. Maybe. I procrastinate because I'm not actually interested in whatever horrible, boring or uninteresting thing it is. You should see my apartment this week ;-) Seriously, I suspect that people procrastinate because they honestly don't want to do things. Ultimately, real world pressures force them deliver. What's so hard about that analysis - it works for me!

      Good luck kiddo - avoid the mood altering drugs (unless on a dancefloor - if you can do it without antidepressants, then you'll experience the self-discovery rather than being some emotionally stunted vegetable, although some of my best friends are emotionally-stunted vegetables ;-) and just work out what you want and see if you can find out how to get there.

  34. Obligatory by KoldKompress · · Score: 2, Funny

    I already came up with the formula, I was just too lazy to publish it.

  35. I, for one ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    am planning on eventually welcoming our new procrastinating overlords.

  36. If it weren't for the last minute... by vee-dub.net · · Score: 1

    Nothing would ever get done.

  37. The word has always creeped me out by Flipao · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always thought Procastinators were people who kept their virginity in exchange for money... or people who cut each other's genitals in exchange for money... either way I think I probably need a shrink :/

    1. Re:The word has always creeped me out by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're thinking of a Pro Castrator.

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    2. Re:The word has always creeped me out by Hikaru79 · · Score: 1

      I've always thought Procastinators were people who kept their virginity in exchange for money

      WHAT? You can get paid for this? And to think I'd been doing it for free all these years...

  38. It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not even something new. You can head over to "badscience.net and find a few more such examples in their archives, including the formula for the perfect football match, the perfect vacation, the perfect ice cream, the perfect beach, perfect day to book a vacation, most depressing day of the year, etc.

    The way at least those invariably happened is: some company, let's call it Moraelin Tobacco Ltd, contacts some PR agency to drum up interest in smoking a bit. Tobacco taxes are up, people have made new year's resolutions to quit smoking, etc, and I could use a bit of reminding them to light one. Remember, PR isn't marketting: marketting tells you "buy Moraelin's cigarettes", PR works in more insidious ways, like telling you "boffins discovered that smoking is actually good for your health." It's marketting's evil stealthy brother. It loves to disguise itself as news.

    So the PR agency concocts some stupid formula, say, "the formula for the perfect smoking experience." It's usually a stupid formula: for example the ones at badscience.net routinely do stupid stuff like add numbers that don't even have the same units. (E.g., one adds time to time squared.) They also invariably don't even tell you how to measure any of the factors involved, don't have any studies to prove it (and never a control group), etc. But the purpose of that formula isn't to be scientific, but to get Joe Sixpack's attention to whatever I'm selling, and/or to undermine whatever he had against it. Marketting will take it from there.

    Ok, now they have a formula they can disguise as news, but if it comes from a PR agency, noone will take it seriously. Even Joe Sixpack isn't usually _that_ stupid. So the next round there is to find someone with some "Dr", "Prof" or whatever important sounding title, and preferrably from some university (sounds all smart and stuff to Joe Sixpack), who's willing to sell his name for some money. A lot will tell them where to shove it, but eventually they find, say, Prof Jack Conman from the university of East Bumfuckistan, who wasn't doing any research anyway and doesn't give a damn about getting a bad reputation among his peers. Sure, he'll take the PR agency's money and sign his name on their pseudo-science "paper."

    And now we have all we need to send that "news" to every major newspaper, disguised as academic research.

    Does it start to sound like TFA yet?

    Because that's exactly what we have here: a stupid formula where they even admit that they don't even know how to measure the variables involved. Nor have any statistical data to show that that's how it works. Did they take two groups, told them to do the same project, but group A got told it's a critical, while group B was told it's unimportant? Was the time difference really linearly proportional to the value difference in dollars? Well, I don't see any such study, much less the values and error bar that would accompany real research.

    And how about the elementary issue that all tasks are ultimately split into smaller sub-tasks. Any program you ever wrote, you didn't deal with it as one monumental indivisible task, but broke it up in packages, modules, functions, etc. Do you become automatically demotivated and likely to procrastinate for weeks, just because next on your list is a sub-task like the file input dialog (low V in his formula) than going after the whole program in one step (high V)? Well, blimey, wonder why we've been doing it then, in all these decades of structured design and project management.

    And how about other factors, like morale, stress, or being overworked? Shouldn't they be at least mentioned in a real scientific study? Doing a big "we don't know why, it might possibly be genetic" shrug doesn't strike me as particularly clued.

    And does procrastination really work that way? Really? Because the RL cases I've seen weren't as much a case of adding a fixed number of days, as a case of expanding to fill the deadline and then some. I.e., more of a case of "ah, I s

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    1. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Joebert · · Score: 5, Funny

      Boy did you ever pick the wrong subject to post that monster sized comment in.
      Wish I had mod points, I'd just mod you informative & call it a day.

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    2. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol!

    3. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Remember that this isn't the paper. This is some reporter's idea of what would make a good story based on the paper.

      I'm attempting to find the original article, but I haven't yet been successful. (It's not listed in the current table of contents, and there's no obvious search for articles.)

      Search failed. (Lots of references to it, but not the original article.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    4. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      Did you actually read it? It has nothing to do with "the perfect ...." whatsoever. The formula describes the relationship between a finite number of variables which they have identified.

      As for "pseudo-scientist", he's a published professor working at the university of calgary. What are your credentials?

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      - Toby
    5. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, dear, so are the other bullshitters signing their name on on PR agencies' formulae. It's invariably Dr Wossname or Prof Watsisface that get to sell their name to such PR agencies. Because making a mockery of science for PR works better when it's someone in a white labcoat taking the pie in the face for the media. It makes Joe Sixpack feel better about himself.

      At any rate, where is the study and control group for, you know, testing that formula? Identifying finite variables is good and fine, but when you put them in a maths formula, where's the experiment that tests it, and what is the error bar? What are the units used? _How_ do you measure those variables?

      Without that, it's pure bullshit pseudo-science at its finest.

      Identifying variables is good and fine, but just making up a formula involving them isn't. Not without the experimental data.

      E.g., let's do gravity the bullshit way he does this maths. Mass seems to be a factor. Distance seems to influence it somehow, but let's not actually do an experiment or use a telescope to find out by how much. The density of the medium seems to influence it somehow too, since objects immersed in water seem lighter. (Ok, it doesn't work that way, but that's the way a thoroughly uninformed non-scientific guess would probably end up like.) So let's guess that F = mass / (distance + density). Hmm, wrong units summed up below (though the average PR bullshitter wouldn't spot that), so maybe it's F = mass / (distance * density).

      That's the kind of utter bullshit you can arrive at, if you just make up a formula with some variables you don't even understand or know how to measure. And that's the kind of guess this guy does.

      You don't need some Ph.D. in anything to understand why just guessing a formula bogus. You just need to have paid even minimal attention to the science classes in school.

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      A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
    6. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by TobyWong · · Score: 1, Troll

      You know for a fact he just guessed at all of the factors or you are just pulling this out of your ass? Did you read any further than the brief summary that was linked to?

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    7. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you read _even_ the summary it linked to? Or his web site? (Ok, so it just parrots the exact same text.) Because he certainly doesn't claim to have done more than a meta-analysis of other people's papers. In fact, googling him, he never claimed any other experience other than meta-analyzing other people's papers. And even that, a whole 1 time, resulting in 4 publications. (I assume the rest of his papers didn't even have that much research.) At any rate, he claims credit for the equation, but not to have validated it in any way. Nor any error bar.

      And before we go any further, let's look first at what meta-analysis means.

      Since that formula didn't exist before, it would be damn hard to directly combine samples to validate it. Noone made the statistics specifically for that. But maybe we can do that for the variables.

      Was there some standardized way of measuring "resistance to procrastination"? Units? Because combining statistics that don't even use the same units is enough to invalidate any attempts at meta-analyzing them. And blimey, there seems to be nothing on the topic except vague motivational texts. Noone except him even proposes to put a number on _that_ kind of a fuzzy concept, so I'm not sure where he'd find the hard numbers to validate that formula by meta-analysis.

      And wth is a "temporal motivational factor" which he calculates there? There are a number of theories as to what might affect motivation, but I'm not aware of anyone ever putting a number or units on _that_. So where do you get the data you can feed into that meta-analysis to validate the formula? No, seriously. I want to know.

      Etc.

      And since you seem to be hung up on credentials, who is this guy? He's "professor" only by virtue of teaching at a business school. And let's say it again: a business school. And It's not a medical or psychology institute. According to everything I could find googling quickly, he teaches human resources and operation dynamics there, so a lot more towards the business side than anything resembling genuine psychology research. Much less the kind of hard science kind of thing that would give confidence in using such maths as more than a piss-poor metaphor. One of his courses is "Individual Differences". No doubt a useful thing in HR, but hardly something you could put in hard numbers. (And I'd worry even more if anyone even tried.) There _are_ things in a business school that genuinely need maths and use maths correctly, but human resources is as soft and fuzzy as it gets. So the whole "university" there is a bit of a false authority factor, no more.

      The only things I could find attributed to him other than, yes, 10 years of philosophising about procrastination (bit of a running joke, I guess), are such stuff as claiming to have invented a system that can select exactly the right man for any task, in 1/1000 the time and for 1/1000 the cost. Whether it's for a job or, literally, your prospective spouse. You use his system to pick up the right employee, and you end up with a rambo that can wipe out several platoons of other employees. Or, again, you could use it to select exactly the right spouse for you off a dating site.

      And if _that_ kind of bullshit assertion (or the fact that we haven't heard of it ever since, despite it's obvious value and applications, if it really worked) doesn't peg your bullshit meter, heh, the accusation rests.

      Literally, that's the kind of bogus pseudo-science that this guy puts his name on. If it's not signing someone else's PR texts, then he is a genuine con-man.

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    8. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by xIcemanx · · Score: 1

      Yawn. Nice post, but uh, I think I'll read it some other time.

    9. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you've thought it out.

      So what are these guys selling?

    10. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by learn+fast · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the poster doth protest a bit much.

      Here's his resume:

      http://www.ucalgary.ca/~steel/procrastinus/homepag e/homepage.html

    11. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. And here's the other bullshit claim of his that I mentioned: Selection tool could revolutionize
      hiring, online dating.

      What's wrong with that? Well, the moment that you claim it does it in 1/1000 of the time, let's make one thing clear: it means doing in 2 hours what you could do in about a year (at 40 hours a week.) You have to throw away any attempt at interviews, checking references, etc. You just feed the computer the CVs or the dating profiles and it spits out the "Rambo employee" that'll wipe out the competition, or the perfect lover for you.

      (Note that that by itself is a camouflaged way of touting "the formula for the perfect X". But let's not get hung up on that.)

      The problem there: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

      CVs range from 100% honest, to padded, to complete bullshit. We had one guy who couldn't even program, in spite of his impressive CV. After a while of obviously doing nothing, he started just randomly changing files and checking them in to look like he does something. Only to prove how stupid he was, his changes didn't even compile. Then he got fired. Then one of his team mates found his updated CV online, in which he claimed he was the chief architect of that project, single-handedly improved performance by an unrealistic factor, etc. Not only, as said, he couldn't even program, but he never had that kind of responsibility. I personally know the guy who was the actual architect of that project.

      And most dating profiles are useless tripe. They'll tell you generic stuff like "likes to have fun", as if that many others would write "I like to moan and bitch and sob on someone's shoulder."

      Even if you forced people to put everything into numbers, on a 0 to 10 scale, CVs will still include a random amount of padding (that guy I mentioned would certainly give himself 10s in a lot of stuff), and so will dating profiles. And different people will interpret that scale differently. Does for example 10 in "likes cats" on a dating profile mean they like to play with a cat, or total obsession, or being a furry, or what? Different people will interpret that differently. Does a 5 mean "I don't care about cats either way" or "I totally hate the fucking things"? For some people 5 is center, but there are a lot of people whose scale is basically logarithmic: anything they like at all must be between 9 and 10, and anything lower is interpreted as about the same as giving someone an F. See the many fanboys sending hate mail to review sites if a game scores less than 90%.

      So how _do_ you put such garbage in without getting garbage out? Traditionally the check was actually talking to that someone, checking if they really know their stuff, or in the case of dating, actually dating them and seeing if you really fit. How does a standardized computerized system do that?

      And more importantly, what ever happened to it? Such a gold mine, you'd expect to see it being used by now.

      It reminds me of a story about an alchemist in the middle ages, who tried to sell the formula for converting lead into gold to some king. So the king gives him an empty bag and tells him something like, "well, you already know how to make gold, so fill it for yourself."

      Same thing here. If you have a standardized way of picking a Rambo employee that will wipe out several squads of the competition (his hyperbole, not mine), you take a loan, hire 20 of them, and be the next Microsoft or whatever. Ok, maybe he's not the risk taking type, even when the win is (or he makes it sound) 99% guaranteed. Who else used it and made a fortune then?

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    12. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      How about selling management and/or management courses and/or snake oil for managers? His CV list him, among other things, as a HR consultant. (Which, with a background in psychology, he may even be very qualified to do. The bogus pseudo-science maths is probably there to make the sell easier to PHBs.) And member in several groups keen on telling you what to do for the right price. There _is_ a whole industry centered around selling snake oil to PHBs, and making them feel better and more competent, so I have no trouble imagining that industry using marketting and PR like any other industry does.

      Plus, PR is really a very perverse thing. Sometimes it actually peddles a product, but sometimes it's just an idea that happens to fit someone's agenda. Actual examples include stuff like that wearing a suit is good for business, that unless you move your pension immediately to a private fund you'll starve in your old age, or that global warming doesn't exist. In this guy's work the central theme seems to be that management is a hard science, that you can put a number on anything from procrastination to how well a prospective employee fits your job and organization, and I can just see a bunch of CEOs and the like keen to sell that idea to the masses.

      But it could also be that there's really no PR conspiracy, and he's just peddling his own snake oil. When you sell yourself as a HR consultant, claims that you can measure in hard numbers exactly how much someone will procrastinate, or exactly how well an employee (or for that matter a date) fits, is, well, excellent CV padding.

      Or just being a media whore, really. The press loves an outrageous pseudo-science story. The more it makes Joe Sixpack thing "durr, some scientists just have too much time and money" (and I must confess it got me thinking that, too, before reading about what's really happening there), the more some journalists will love it. Silly formulas are like striking gold there. It's like getting a scientist to take a pie in the face in public. Joe Sixpack loves that kinda reassurance that those eggheads in universities and the like are just a bunch of clowns.

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    13. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by hey! · · Score: 1

      The formula in question is, of course, invalid as a formula because it concerns things which can be characterized by ordinality only: you can say task A is more important than task B, but you can't say it's 1.5x as important.

      The formula itself is clearly not meant to be a formula, but a mnemonic for the factors that determine whether a task is started and the direction in which they influence the decision. The validity of the "formula" is entirely dependent upon the research behind it; you can't do a unit analysis or anything like that because it's not a formula.

      What is of more concern is that the study is a meta-analysis. In psychology these kinds of studies must be taken with a massive nugget of salt, because ways of defining and measuring things might vary wildly between original stuides. Treating the studies as black boxes can lead to subtle errors in logic.

      For example, Dr. Steel says: "Perfectionism is not the culprit. In fact, perfectionists actually procrastinate less, but they worry about it more." This strikes me as containing an excessively broad inference. It is quite easy to consistently believe the following two assertions: (A) people who are characterized by perfectionism tend to procrastinate less than average; and (B) to the degree which an individual has a tendency towards perfectionism on a task, he will tend to procrastinate on it. Dr. Steel's position is only logically valid if we assume that every individual reacts to perfectionism on a task to the same degree, regardless of their underlying tendency towards perfectionism. It is quite possible that habituatl perfectionists are more capable of undertaking tasks for which they have lower expectations of complete success.

      It is also quiet possible that one researcher believes A & B, and another researcher believes A & -B, but agree entirely in substance, differing only by their definitions of "perfectionism". It seems to me that "perfectionism" is sometimes used to mean "high standards", although it's common use to indicate a character flaw should imply it means "irrationally high standards". If "perfectionism" leads to more optimal results, then it should be characterized as "high standards", not "perfectionism". If standards for completion on a task lead to sub-optimal results, that should be characterized as "perfectionism", not "high standards". The latter phenomenon is often used as a pretext for procrastination.

      Ultimately, I think the secret of procrastination will be found in the connection between cognition, brain science, social psychology and evolution. Putting things off, cognitive scientists remind us, is not always irrational, even though it may feel irrational. Our brains are complex, often dealing with conflicting evidence to choose the best survival option. But they aren't evolved to perform this task in a modern society and make the kinds of choices which optimize our fitness in that context. I believe our tendencies towards irrational behaviors arise from this.

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    14. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so maybe it's F = mass / (distance * density).

      No, you got it all wrong. For those of us that believe in fate it's :
       
      F = (mass / distance) * destiny which of course equals to nullity

    15. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      That's a very sane post, and it's refreshing to see that kind of rational thinking. Thanks.

      My problem with it is precisely, well, if it's clearly not meant as a formula, then he shouldn't write it as a formula. I don't have a problem with saying, basically, "people procrastinate less whe they do stuff they think is useful and/or easy. And, oh, some procrastinate more than others anyway, we don't know why, it might be genetic", as it at least sounds like common sense. (Though even common sense can lead one astray without a proper study validating it.) But then noone got famous for saying common sense stuff, that 1000 other people said before, while "scientist discovers the exact formula for procrastination" makes headlines. And maths just wasn't meant to be abused as a poor man's mnemonic or quick way of getting a headline. Unless he can mathematically say that this guy will procrastinate 1.5x longer than this other guy, then it shouldn't be a formula.

      As for procrastination and perfectionism, I'm thinking he might be missing the point. Technically it's true, but only technically and missing the point. Because what most people find to complain about perfectionism (as in, OCPD, since, as you say, merely having high standards isn't a problem) isn't procrastinating starting, but having problems finishing. An OCPD case may start earlier, but the problem is that he'll never consider it perfectly finished. It's precisely that worrying (irrationally, disproportionately) more, that often ends up preventing just calling it good enough and moving on to the next task.

      Or what looks like procrastinating the main task may actually be being unable to finish the perfect framework/design/algorithm/whatever that he needs for it. I've actually seen one guy spend months on writing the perfect XML parsing framework, while the program he intended to use it on was already overdue. Or one architect spending months designing the perfect class hierarchy in UML, while the actual program was already overdue. (And funnily enough later it was completed by someone else in a month with a less baroque design when his perfect class hierarchy still wasn't ready.) It's stuff that's not technically procrastinating, but it doesn't really help with finishing on time anyway.

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    16. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      You write awfully long posts but unfortunately you are full of shit. The guys CV speaks for itself. Padding or no padding he is a couple of orders of magnitude more informed on the topic than you are. You still haven't managed to advance past the whole "perfect " point which was never applicable in this instance in the first place.

      Now go ahead and write another 3 pages of empty rhetoric.

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      - Toby
    17. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Procrastinus · · Score: 1

      Thanks Toby.

      About the synthetic validity, a universal system to predict people, the patent is pending for that, and it will take about another three years to build the database to make it a commercial product. If you take a look my CV, you will see I did get my doctorate from University of Minnesota, ranked worldwide as one of the top Universities for psychology (it was number one when I got accepted, but dropped to number three when I left - not my fault). I have devised several new statistical analyses, including a nifty new Bayesian technique for variance estimation.

      Also, synthetic validity isn't that hard to understand, though our University media department did spin it a bit with that "Rambo" reference. You are simply using job analysis information to predict validity coefficients (i.e., correlations between performance and predictors). My work on weighted least squares multiple regression really provided the key to making this work. Consequently, once you describe the job, you know who to hire.

      Sincerely,

      Piers Steel

    18. Re:It's a PR agency playing pseudo-scientist by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 1
      About the synthetic validity, a universal system to predict people, the patent is pending for that.
      No chance, here's prior art.
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  39. Re:Ya but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    closing the 'span' element. <span> is a tag. </span> is a tag. <span>This</span> is a span element.

  40. Too high workload cause of procrastination? by tsa · · Score: 1

    From The Fina Article: Steel concludes: "Continued research into procrastination should not be delayed, especially because its prevalence seems to be growing."

    If the prevalence of procrastination seems to be growing, doesn't this say something about the workload of the average procrastinator? I don't think people have been getting lazier during the past decade or so, so there must be another reason for procrastination getting more in vogue.

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    -- Cheers!

  41. but you're not procrastinating then by ToastyKen · · Score: 1

    By the definition in the article, what you're doing isn't procrastination, because you don't believe you SHOULD start sooner. If you think you're fine doing it later, that's not procrastination. Procrastination is when you think you should do it earlier but still do it later anyway.

    1. Re:but you're not procrastinating then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      By the definition in the article, what you're doing isn't procrastination, because you don't believe you SHOULD start sooner.

      Which makes the whole "lack of confidence" thing somewhat self-defining.

  42. Re:Well, duh. Of course perfectionism isn't involv by Disseminated · · Score: 1

    Yes, that's very insightful. Because your psyche represents the whole human race!

  43. MOD UP by schwaang · · Score: 2, Informative
    FTA:
    Not all delays can be considered procrastination; the key is that a person must believe it would be better to start working on given tasks immediately, but still not start.
  44. As Ted Kennedy said... by howardd21 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ted Kennedy is a procrastinator, as evidenced by when Mary Jo Kopechne told him she was pregnant, and he said "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it."

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  45. Re:Well, duh. Of course perfectionism isn't involv by istartedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahh... the ever popular "I'll make outrageous inferences" troll. Either you're doing it on purpose to be difficult, it's an honest mistake, or I have some sort of defecit in my writing. I've been subject to this form of attack, if that's what it is, on more than on occasion. I've gotten to the point where I feel I must refuse to reply to them in terms of what's actually being implied. Instead, I can only offer that if you think I've said something ridiculous, odds are it was not what I intended to say. I wager that for just about any writing beyond one or two sentances, it's not difficult to craft an inference troll, either on purpose or by accident. That's why there's no point in trying to remedy this problem by being careful in my composition. If I did, it would likely read more like a legal document than a casual comment.

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  46. Schroedinger's Potato? (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (n/t)

  47. not my experience by misanthrope101 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves
    The things I procrastinate are things I know I can wing well enough at the last minute and still get by. I'd bet many procrastinators are similar. Not everything has to be done right now. Plus, I've found that many problems self-resolve if you ignore them, or you find out later that they weren't the emergency they first seemed to be. We're just too mired in the cult of efficiency, and everyone is convinced everything has to be done now-now-now so you can do more-more-more. We would do well with less doing and more thinking.
  48. How much do you want to bet that slashdot.... by FallLine · · Score: 1

    How much do you want to bet that slashdot is one of the variables in the formula? :-)

    1. Re:How much do you want to bet that slashdot.... by sanso999 · · Score: 1

      If you mean I have furniture to re-arrange in five rooms and three days to do it in. but my first thought of the afternoon is "I wonder what's happening at slashdot?", well yep, it should be in the formula.

  49. Re:That's great! - slashdot rfe by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    So ... how about adding the ability to one-click bookmark a slashdot story or individual comment, and have it show up in our personalbookmark section? Seems like it would be a lot easier than storing the interesting urls in text files in my homedir.

  50. Urgent self-directed activities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that most of the posts in this sub-thread sound like they are talking about masturbation?

  51. Bad science (linky inside to ben goldacre) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Posted anonymously to avoid Karma Whoring.

    Bad science and useless formula


    Folk as it has already been psoted earlier this is simply some PR agency which asked some random guy to MAKE UP a formulae. That's it. The formulae is useless , as useless as the pr/marketing around it. Tskkkk. What's it with Slashdot and pseudo science ?

    1. Re:Bad science (linky inside to ben goldacre) by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1
      An excellent article--except for this:
      you can have an infinitely good weekend by staying at home and cutting your travel time to zero (because dividing stuff by zero makes infinity).

      The author apparently didn't run that comment by any of his "rude mathematicians".
  52. Efficiency by plopez · · Score: 1

    Efficiency is nothing more than being clever about being lazy.
    Which is basically what you said.

    Also, Larry Walls said a few things on good programmers being lazy. I.e., automating like crazy and taking the easiest path.

    See also the 'Agile Programming' mantras, 'do the simplist thing that can possibly work' and 'you aint gonna need it'.

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  53. Re:Well, duh. Of course perfectionism isn't involv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm out of mod points, nail this troll please.

  54. They got it all wrong... by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

    ...and I can say that because I didn't RTFA (so I must be some kind of an expert at procrastinating)

    Being lazy has a direct relationsship to how you feel about the thing you're being lazy about.

    Anything with negative feelings will be put off, and anything with neutral or positive feelings will be done on time.

    So the formula slims down to : Amount of negative feelings towards task X (V) > persons threshhold for amount of V = job not done (L).

    So the only thing which makes or breaks a task, is how we feel about it, and that's why our own moods can help or hurt a task's amount of V

    Then there's the resistance factor.. the more times a task gets a positive amount of V, the more V it actually gets, and the harder it is to change it from a L to a non-L.. making it more likely a non-L task becomes a L task.

    If you hate going to the gym from day one, but still go because you know you'll die from something or other if you don't, then you'll always hate going to the gym, and so V increases until it meets your threshold for V, and going to the gym becomes a L-positive task, and each time you don't go means more V in and of itself.

    Also some tasks get an automatic amount of V because they are categorised similarly in our brains.. for instance.. doing the dishes might get a high amount of V, and thus get a L-task... but some people would categorize doing the dishes as "any work in the kitchen" and thus any_work_in_the_kitchen gets a L-mark.. however, another might categorize doing the dishes with any work in the house.. and yet another might just categorize doing the dishes as just doing the dishes and have no problems doing other things in the kitchen or house.

    So if you're procrastinating about things that really do matter in your life, or about things that would make your life alot better, then it's because of the negativity you've put onto the task (whether rational negativity, or irrational.. and face it, most of our negativity is irrational).

    so L = V > a persons threshhold for V... I cooked this up while writing it.. didn't take me 10 years.. Can I get a doctorate?

    K.

  55. mod up parent by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I blew my mod points yesterday.
    My friend, we're in the same boat. I'm supposed to be moving right now, but I happened to stop into work because I promised someone I would check something online (being that I don't have an internet connection since I'm moving), and as I stopped in I realized that I forgot to check one of the machines, and carry over a backup that I bzipped friday before leaving. Speaking of which...I need to start that transfer... And this is me with my adderall!

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    If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.

  56. Disappointing article - maybe some real help here? by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    There are a thousand ways to procrastinate. I know, I've done most of them. I have also treated quite a few procrastinators professionally.

    The article looks pretty useless to me so I thought I'd offer my 10 years of clinical experience in hope of satisfying those looking for some real insight.

    We make decisions based on how we feel about the options at the time we think about them. Let's think about when you're next going to the dentist. Unless it's pre-booked, you probably think about going to the dentist and decide based on how you feel about that. If going feels better than not going, you'll go.

    Now different people will take into account cost, discomfort, current state of teeth, desired state of teeth etc. But the basic strategy remains the same.

    Think about going on holiday. Again, if going feels better than not going, you'll start to make plans. Note that feelings you might not have been conscious of eg responsibility come into the decision.

    A final example: doing your taxes. For the last 5 years at least, I've hand-delivered my tax return in the early hours of the morning after the deadline but before the tax office opens. Why do some people hand them in 6+ months ahead of the deadline? They focus on the satisfaction and relief of having done their taxes. If they think about slacking off, only then do they start to feel bad.

    Of course, perfectionism can lead to procrastination. So can 100 other things - they just have to feel (slightly) bad at the time you're thinking about doing the task. Here's a list of the top of my head:

    1. Unpleasant task, naturally.
    2. No immediate consequences for procrastinating.
    3. Bad habits.
    4. Distractions.
    5. Doubts about success.
    6. Doubts about worthiness of the task.
    7. Feeling the task is somehow beneath you.
    8. Addiction to comfort.

    Since procrastination is a natural result of your main decision strategy, which you have used and thus further conditioned 100+ times a day, the only real way to change it is through persistent reconditioning, probably by some kind of slave driver... ;)

  57. overcoming procrastination by yuanhenglizhen · · Score: 1

    From my experience of slacking off and watching others slack off. It's a combination of the fear of discomfort and complacency that causes us to procrastinate. Fear of discomfort is simply laziness while the lack of confidence is simply the fear of failure and is just one form of discomfort that causes the procrastinator to remain in his comfort zone persistently.

    The best way to deal with procrastination is to simply start what needs to be done ON THE SPOT IMMEDIATELY. From my experience whenever I delayed the first step in any task, I would automatically be coming out with all kinds of excuses and twists of logic that would eventually convince me that work can be delayed because something else is necessary before things can commerce. And before I know it, I'm already stuck.

    The trick in doing that is to simply not think, the more you think the more you are likely to stray, let the logical part of your mind comes in only when necessary. And don't bother thinking and reminding yourself about how this should work. At one point in my life, I actually found myself thinking excessively into how not to procrastinate without knowing that I am doing literally it. (and subconsciously enjoying it too!!) The logical mind is not there to help you to get your work done, it's there to lead you to conclusions that are compatible with what your instincts says. And of course, most of us are too comfortable and complacent to truly and deeply feel that we have to better ourself. So let's just do it.

  58. That's my professor! by Lazbien · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this guy was my professor for "intro to Human Resources and Organizational Dynamics". What's funny about his paper, which "distills and synthesizes the evidence on procrastination from 691 other research sources", is that like the rest of us, he's basically writing about himself. It took 3 frickin weeks to get our midterms marked.

    That being said, I'll have to go needle him on his "Temporal Motivational Theory". Trying to make Procrastination seem scientific...

  59. I'm procrastinating by reading this comment thread by eldalonde · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm procrastinating by reading this comment thread.

    I'll also echo that I procrastinate things because I'm accustomed to being able to wing them and do well.

  60. What a load... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task...

    I call bullshit. As an expert procrastinator, the real reason is this: Procrastinators are lazy. Since they took 10 years and it took me about a minute to write this, I'm apparently ~5000000 times more efficient at figuring these things out, but I bet I won't get a grant or anything.

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    You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    1. Re:What a load... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essentially, procrastinators have less confidence in themselves, less expectancy that they can actually complete a task...

      I agree. It is bullshit.

      Sounds like typical MBA propaganda to me. Jerkoffs. The reason people who actually work for a living procrastinate is that THE TASK SUCKS SAUSAGE.

      The people who orchestrate and buy into these types of studies however have no concept of this since they spend their time stroking each others cocks and playing golf (i.e. engaging in the same activities they did when they were frat boys in college).

  61. Formula for procrastination by isny · · Score: 1

    E=TBD

  62. Re: Peak Scheduling by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    "Procrastination" assumes that the time delay "wasted" is greater than the available recreation period.

    However, our media friends have made a real point to control us with fixed scheduling. So, suppose there are 10 hours left to complete a 7 hour project, leaving 2.75 (back out the fatigue factor break) hours of true recreation time.

    Suppose you start at 1PM with the idea to finish by 11PM. It's a complete mistake to "work hard" from 1-8PM, and miss your favorite TV show at 5PM.

    The better way is to pre-allocate that block of time as one of the recreational hours. "Oh look. It's 5PM. I still feel like I could work, but I shall watch my show now."

    The trick is to have the determination to map the total hours out properly. Let's say you drift off the deep end at 6PM at the end of the show. Fine.

    But then no later than 8PM it's time to drill out the rest of the project.

    The mistake made in the article is "all delays are bad".

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  63. All the reasons are true, to varying degrees by DCheesi · · Score: 1

    This is interesting to me as a procrastinator. The old "perfectionist" chestnut has stuck with me over the years, despite all the evidence to the contrary (eg. the current state of my living room ;). OTOH, the insecurity angle is certainly part of it as well. Personally I think that both explanations are correct as contributing factors, as is the simple fact that humans tend to naturally undervalue future outcomes. By that last I mean that you'd rather maintain a current relaxed/happy state at the probable expense of a little extra stress at (just before) the end of the week (or whenever the work is due).

    The simple fact is that a bus might hit you before then (or eg. "tiger attack" as a prehistoric equivalent) so evolutionarily it made sense to make the best of the current moment. "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may die" is pretty much the state our ancestors evolved in, so it's no surprise that we are slow to adapt to the modern (middle-class) near-certainty of survival over longer periods...

  64. Pseudoscience. by sbaker · · Score: 1

    From TFA: ...a formula he's dubbed Temporal Motivational Theory, which takes into account factors such as the expectancy a person has of succeeding with a given task (E), the value of completing the task (V), the desirability of the task (Utility), its immediacy or availability (L) and the person's sensitivity to delay (D). It looks like this and uses the Greek letter L (capital gamma): Utility = E x V / LD


    Hmmmm - so precisely what units are these variables given in? Because if you don't know - the equation has no predictive value whatever. All you can say is that utility gets bigger if expectancy or value goes up or if immediacy/availability or sensitivity to delay goes dowm.

    In other words, when it's important and valuable and you can't delay and it's "available immediately" - then the task is more likely to get done. Wow! Who'da guessed! But how does he know it's not E+V/LD or E+V-L-D....if you don't know what units you are using or even how these things are to be measuresd - it's just bullshit.

    This kind of pseudo scientific claptrap really needs to go away.

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    1. Re:Pseudoscience. by Procrastinus · · Score: 1

      I am impressed with the quality of comments on this site, but it is always annoying to hear comments from people who believe they can definitively review 30 pages of science, published in the world's most prestigious peer-reviewed social science journal ((Psychological Bulletin), based upon a half-page news column somewhere and 12 seconds of thought. To clarify some sloppy thinking I am reading, the study is a mathematical compliation of ALL research done on the topic. ALL research on the topic consistently shows three major outcomes, procrastinators tend to be: i) Less confident in their abilities ii) Like what they are putting off more iii) Tend to more impuslive, more distractible, and surrounded by more distractions How to explain this? Hmm, well in another article "Integrating Theories of Motivation", published in the world's most prestigious peer-reviewed management journal (Academy of Management Review), I show consilience among several streams of thought, that we are verging on a common understanding of human nature, which in a very simplified form (appropriate for a news program) can be understood as E x V/(Gamma x Delay. Of course, the academic article has the freedom to go into this for dozens of pages. If you serious about this at all, please read it. So, so far, any reader has two choices, believe: i) The negative comments of a few habitual malcontents is right OR ii) The collective work of several fields, including neuroscience, psychology, and economics is right Really, you should be holding yourself to higher intellectual standards than this. Piers Steel

    2. Re:Pseudoscience. by sbaker · · Score: 1

      So what units are they in?

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  65. Took 10 Years? by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that it took 10 years to complete the study.

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  66. A little late, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First post.

  67. Not a psychologist, a business school shill by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

    Search for all the comments referencing "badscience" or "Goldacre" for the scoop on this nonsense. In summary - a PR firm paid some greedy shill to spout this nonsense as part of an advertising campaign. It's pseudoscience, unrelated to real psychology.

  68. Procrastination by josephmwhite · · Score: 1

    I didn't have the patience to read to the bottom, but I thought a quote from Walt Kelly's Churchy LaFemme would be a propos: There's nothing in life so urgent that it won't get MORE urgent if you put it off 'till tomorrow.

  69. Formula? And the answer is . . . by SpeedyGonz · · Score: 1

    forty two

  70. FIRST POST, well, almost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I planned to make such a study really soon now, it was in my TODO list for quite a few weeks^Wmonths^Wyears.

  71. The whole thing is crap by Gnostic+Ronin · · Score: 1
    Seriously. As others have mentioned, the "formula" is bullshit, so I won't bore you with that one.

    However, the idea that they've "proven" that procrastination is caused by low self-esteem sounds like even more bullshit. For years, everything wrong with the world has been caused by the West's most insidious disease, low self-esteem. It causes people to become wife beaters, kids to not do well in school, drug use, short attention span, poor performance, etc. etc. Not that being suicidally depressed might make you procrastinate, but I think the real problem is lack of discipline.

    People do things all the time that they don't consider important. We pay our bills, we cut our grass, we go to work every day, we go to the gas station and the grocery. None of these tasks are "inspiring", or "fun". We do them because we have to. We do them even if we feel worthless or unimportant. If the article is right, the "low self-esteemed" types should be sitting home and watching Regis rather than doing any of those things. Yet we do them all the time. It isn't low self esteem or lack of inspiration that makes a person skip math homework to watch TV or play Halo, it's the lack of willpower to buckle down and do the work.

    I'm tired of "self-esteem" and its cult mucking up worthwhile activities. We can't compete in sports, lest the losers feel bad. We can't grade papers in red ink, because it will hurt the fragile self-esteem of kids who think 2+2=22. We shouldn't correct a kid's spelling, better that he graduate illiterate than have his self-esteem damaged by having to learn the proper spelling of words in the English language.

    If we're really so fragile that low self esteem can make you nonfunctional, how the hell did humanity survive to this point?

  72. Oh freakin' please... by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, let's reduce any kind of debate to "if you disaggree, you're criticizing science as a whole" and for that matter "anyone disaggreeing is just a habitual malcontent."

    Heh. Science doesn't work that way. Science is actually based on _skepticism_ and in actually showing the experimental data. I _still_ haven't seen any post of yours actually addressing the question of how do you put a number on those variables, or what are the groups (including control group) on which they and the formula were validated, and what was the error bar. It's not some outrageous malcontent act, it's just normal scientific norm.

    Science is _not_ religion, it's _not_ about authority figures telling you "if you dare disaggree with me, you're attacking science as a whole", etc. Those are the domain of the religion and of pseudo-science snake-oil peddler. Even the biggest authority figures you can think of, still have to show their reproductible data. And still were occasionally wrong.

    And frankly, if you have the time to post that much about how anyone disaggreeing with you is just a habitual malcontent, you'd have time to actually address the questions too. Is it really a maths formula? As in, you feed actual numeric values, and get a hard numeric output? Yes or no. It takes just a sentence to address that. What are the units for the variables and how do you measure them? It's at most a paragraph to give the basic idea. Was the formula actually validated statistically on enough people? How and how many? It doesn't take a novel to give that basic idea. "Yes, we validated it in a study on X people, this is what the setup was like, it would be a 1 in 20 chance of it being coincidence." (Which is really the minimum in science.) It's at most another paragraph.

    So it's not even asking anything impossible, nevermind unreasonable. It's actually less effort to, yes, follow the accepted intellectual standards in science, than to handwave and do "don't dare attack science as a whole" tricks.

    So, yes, the GP post had high enough intellectual standards. Doubting anything until proven _is_ the proper scientific standard.

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  73. Putting it off by Kelson · · Score: 1

    Appropriately, Slashdot hasn't gotten around to rejecting the (now-duplicate) version of this story I submitted last Thursday....