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Microsoft Discloses Windows 7 Pricing
It's the tripnaut! writes "Information Week has posted prices for Windows 7. From the article: 'The full version of Windows 7 Home Premium is priced at $199, with an upgrade from Vista or XP costing $119. The full version of Windows 7 Professional is $299, with upgrades going for $199. Windows 7 Ultimate is priced at $319, with the upgrade version at $219.' In a nod to the global economic downturn, it is interesting to note that prices are 10% lower than Vista."
It's too much!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Seems like MS has realized that upgrading to Vista was useless as otherwise the upgrade from Vista should have been cheaper...
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I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.
Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.
The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free.
That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.
How does MS think this pricing is competitive in the least? Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 for upgrades while 7 costs $120?!!?! Really, MS needs to learn that those who actually buy their products in-box (not from OEMs) are going to be people who are their valuable customers who are going to have a lot of influence.
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Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this? When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.
I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with. It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.
Apparently they have noticed their pricing was too ridiculous compared to other systems. Vista was the pinnacle of it, a crappy system that was sold for what... $499 retail?
Mac OS X starts off at $129 as well for new releases (and goes down from there) and $199 for a 5 license pack and I believe that Apple has been eating Microsoft for lunch on the home desktop market and is making inroads on the business as well.
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It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows: the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought. When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy?
200 Buck's, might be worth waiting till the next version of Windows comes out since they are releasing it early and often nowadays.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
And I do not mean the store 7-11.
Here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/06/25/cnet.windows7.pricing.upgrade/index.html
From the article: "From Friday through July 11, consumers in the U.S. will be able to buy an upgrade copy of Windows 7 Home premium for $49 or Windows 7 Professional for $99."
No ultimate and an upgrade not full though. But the upgrade from XP is a full wipe install anyway.
And I do agree with others who said that upgrade from vista ultimate should be free to win 7 ultimate.
They've dropped Home Basic and moved Home Premium into its price slot.
Other than that, every version of Windows 7 costs as much as Vista does now.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Microsoft expects people to pay for Windows?
I doubt we are going to see any big move towards Windows 7 until people see that is is worth the price tag. I mean with all the issues people saw with Windows Vista, no one is going to want to upgrade their working Windows XP for a Windows 7 that could be just as bad as Vista. If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
I think starting June 26, you can preorder the upgrades for a lot cheaper. $50 for a Home upgrade and $100 for a Pro upgrade.
Can I use the windows 7 license to legally run windows XP? ;)
Why should Microsoft care if the Win7 prices are "competitive" or not? They've got a captive audience consisting mainly of new PC buyers and existing corporate seats. I suspect they simply did an analysis to determine the amount that maximizes license revenue from those two fish in a barrel and didn't even consider the cost of other alternatives.
Best,
Well, free with purchase of overpriced computer.
If Apple hardware was sold at prices for comparable non-Apple hardware, they would have to raise their software prices or eat the loss.
Of course, there are some operating systems that are free, companies make their money on services.
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I can't believe those cocksuckers at Microsoft didn't plan their release dates around an unforseen event happening to one fucking person. They're definitely at fault here. You know, as opposed to the guy that stole the laptop.
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Wait, a copy of DOS 6.0 would have solved the Northrup Grumman problem in the other story?
"All exiting drives must be reformatted with Dos 6.0, which will Promote Data Volatility past the expected recovery half life."
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Anyone know if it is possible to move from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Pro with an upgrade, or does that require another full license?
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In a nod to the global economic downturn, it is interesting to note that upgrade prices are still more expensive than a non-upgrade OEM copy with far more reinstallation hassles.
Or perhaps ANNOUCE THE FREAKIN' FREE UPGRADE DATE more than a day before it starts. That'd help.
It'd have helped alot actually.
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System Utilities should never cost more than $40.
Games should never cost more than $50.
Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.
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I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree, but for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC. They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows, then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later, it comes with Windows again. Virtually no one I know 'buys' the OS - They'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer.
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So any geek off the street is smarter than Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer.
I bet those two guys laugh like maniacs about comments like that, whilst sitting on gold plated thrones and guzzling Krug.
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How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate? From the look of the comments, not many. It's a fantastic OS already, and I'm betting it will be very successful, increasing Microsoft's market share.
Oh, but this is slashdot. Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure. Get out of the 90's.
Add to that users that are too non-technical or frightened to try something different but hate the issues they constantly have with Vista. If there is a better reason to upgrade to Windows7 than "your machine is running Vista", I haven't heard it yet. IMHO. Spending that much to get rid of problems, not learn anything new, and not have to buy new versions of your existing software is the price point Microsoft is shooting for.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
They've got a captive audience consisting mainly of new PC buyers and existing corporate seats.
Exactly.
If you buy a new computer, it'll come with Windows 7. You'll wind up paying for it whether you want it or not.
And if you're a corporate client with one of their maintenance/upgrade/support plans you're already paying a yearly fee to use their software - so they're getting your money regardless of whether you upgrade(?) to Windows 7 or not.
That's the problem with Windows these days, there really is no competition. Microsoft's got a steady stream of cash and they don't really have to be better than anyone else.
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What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $199 or $119?
-A glorified file manager?
-Shiny new icons?
-a DRM crippled media player, that can only play "approved" formats
-Buggy drivers
-A "free" web browser, full of security holes
-Wordpad, Solitaire, Reversi?
-"Promised" compatibility with old software
-A crippled email application
-A crippled media recorder/editor
So lets see, I basically get a glorified file manager, and at worst case, need to repurchase new versions of most of the critical applications, unless I do so, my system is mostly useless, unless I'm satisfied with web broswing and typing in wordpad.
Sorry, not worth it. I'd rather pay/donate to slackware/ubuntu and get a DVD that contains USEFUL software.
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"You didn't pay anything for Windows."
Since the price of Windows was included in the price of the computer, they may try to argue that you didn't pay anything for it. This one is easy to debunk. Windows costs money -- everyone knows that. Once you establish that Windows does indeed cost money (and you can't get it for free) then the only remaining issue is how much you paid. Since Microsoft contracts out with hardware vendors, there's no actual way to know how much Windows costs a given retailer. This being the case, I was asking for the price of an OEM copy of Windows XP Home SP2 that I found on Newegg, which was $89. In the end they gave me $52.50. I don't know if this is really how much Windows costs, but it's a non-trivial amount and I can well imagine that one of the world's largest computer makers can get a good deal on Windows licenses from Microsoft.
http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381
In this case, it was determined that Windows XP added $52.50 to the price of a Dell PC.
I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE.
It's not necessary to have clues, honesty, professionalism, courtesy, security, or lack of bugs when you have the market share Microsoft does. Hell, if I could make tons of money producing overpriced crap, I'd sell crap and overprice it, too!
Gees, guys, lay off poor Microsoft.
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is how much will it be as an "OEM" version from the likes of Newegg when I purchase it with a HD? Because anyone paying Brick and Mortor retail pricing is just paying an ignorance-tax.
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The only outrageously overpriced Macs these days are the Mini and the Pro... and a case can be made for the Pro.
Seriously, not the same market...
Mac computers can run Windows, but this is a second operating system purchase to the user, thus not the same primary OS market.
Windows users can not run Mac OS on their machines (at least not legally/easily) therefore this is again, a different market.
Mac OS upgrade has better be cheaper as their hardware costs a large amount more.
The only direct competition with windows on the desktop with generic hardware is linux (solaris/freebsd to lesser extent) but quite clearly this issue is much more complicated than pricing alone.
Well, price it competitive and sanely and I'll buy it. Keep it priced like it is and I'll just pirate it and make sure to recommend alternatives wherever possible.
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Overall price for my current machine, about $1000.
Quad core 64 bit,
8GB RAM
5 TB HDD (4TB usable - RAID 5)
2 - 24" 1080p HDMI flat panels.
KUbuntu 9.04
Except for the video editing, I do everything you do. I do not currently have a TV Tuner in it though. I also run multiple BOINC threads simultaneously as well as several automated processes 24/7.
If you buy a new computer, it'll come with Windows 7. You'll wind up paying for it whether you want it or not.
According to that pricelist, you're buying Windows 7 and getting a free computer that comes with it.
After the two years I had to spend on Windows Vista, I figure a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate is a justifiable compensation for all of the frustration and emotional trauma I have endured.
If we, in the Linux world, would stop all of the BS bickering, we could have taken advantage of this situation. Arguments over Gnome vs KDE vs whatever and the horrible treatment newbies get on the forums are killing any kind of mass migration.
I have been using Windows 7 for the last month or so (since it went from beta to RC) and, I have to say that I have liked MOST of the experience so far.
Stability is at least on par with XP (have not had to restart since I finished driver installs). Annoying messages have been minimal - they only appear when I am doing something that should require administrator credentials, such as installing a new application or driver.
Performance... I have no concrete figures but this also seems on par with XP.
The only down-side has been the installation time (hours, even on my beast) and the size of the OS(how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????).
So, the reason I want Windows 7 is so I can use all of my system's memory without a ramdisk/virtual memory hack and 64-bit support. There is really no other reason to upgrade because everything else seems on par with XP.
perhaps I could direct your attention to a fine catalog of vendors prepared to sell a PC in the natural state - start naked and free from all operating systems. For those who prefer not to pay for an unwanted proprietary operating system there are Naked Computers. If anyone sees a vendor out there with a naked system for sale please let me know. It has to be an up front option (full frontal if you prefer) not an under the counter, if you ask specially kind of deal. We are also mostly interested in complete computers, not a pile of bits, and we want a minimum order quantity of a single unit.
I have really no issues with Vista to be honest, and Windows 7 seems like it'd be alright. But seriously, if you're going to have an opinion and criticize other users for what they've said, at least post under your handle and have some balls so it doesn't look like cheap attempts at astroturfing.
I have purchased only one copy of Windows(tm) in the last years; XP Professional(tm), and I paid almost $300 for it (all in, after taxes). Yes, I know I was taken for a fool, more on this later.
Now, I know that OEMs can't possibly be paying anything CLOSE to that, because I can buy a computer now WITH Windows and pay just a bit more than that.
So, I was led to believe that as a single consumer, I was being ripped off, and the only way to get a reasonable price for Windows was with a new computer. Simple, right?
Wrong. My wife works as a middle-school teach in the TDSB (Toronto District School Board). They have, what, 40,000 (more?) employees. My wife just got an offer - buy Windows Vista(tm) (Business?) for $21, and Office(tm) for $21. As far as I can tell (from the literature), there don't seem to any resale restrictions. And no "OEM" restrictions. The literature also mentions that the retail price for Office is north of $600.
How much DO Windows and Office cost? Since only idiots would buy retail Windows or Office (yes, I used to be in that category), the only reason to have ANY "suggested retail price" is to attempt to establish some sort of valuation.
"It's expensive, it MUST be good",
but no-one actually pays that price
"but I got a GREAT deal on the software!".
And now the suggested retail pricing pops up here, just to help spread the meme.
Of course, it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB, in which case I will be very upset. The TDSB just ok'd the use of OpenOffice, and thus should have no need to spend the money.
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Where's the part of the summary telling people that they can upgrade for $49.99 by pre-ordering?
"Finally, as a way of saying thank you to our loyal Windows customers, we are excited to introduce a special time limited offer! We will offer people in select markets the opportunity to pre-order Windows 7 at a more than 50% discount. In the US, this will mean you can pre-order Windows 7 Home Premium for USD $49.99 or Windows 7 Professional for USD $99.99. You can take advantage of this special offer online via select retail partners such as Best Buy or Amazon, or the online Microsoft Store (in participating markets).
This program begins tomorrow in the U.S., Canada and Japan. The offer ends July 11th in the U.S. and Canada and on July 5th for Japan or while supplies last. Customers in the UK, France and Germany, can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 starting July 15th and will run until August 14th (or supplies last) to ensure folks donâ(TM)t miss out on this. Act fast if you want to be the first in line to get Windows 7 at this screaming deal! Note: The special low pre-order price will vary per country."
Granted, it's a small window for a bloated Windows, but you have to applaud Microsoft for this. If you hate Vista and are convinced you want an upgrade, it's only $49.99 if you do in in the next few weeks.
Wise men say, "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
Keep in mind, they were also working on XBox 360 and Zune at the same time they were working on Vista. I'm not aware of any other *major* projects they were working on while working on Windows 7. Also, Windows 7 is mostly just an upgrade to Vista, while Vista has a lot of changes under the hood compared to XP.
There is no -1 Disagree mod. Slashdot.org/faq defines mod options. USE IT.
Honestly, Vista was pretty much just a beta for 7, asking people to pay $119+ to upgrade an OS that shouldn't have been released is an insult. I'm not an MS hater, I'm running 7 and like it pretty well so far. Did my best to like Vista but went back to XP after a few months.
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Whoops! Math error. $1400.
If you're stupid enough to think that your Windows installation is going to be automatically assimilated by a botnet (or you're stupid enough to let it happen), then you're probably stupid enough to let it happen on Linux, too.
but really, how much will this save you?
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Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware. How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?
Microsoft sells a good deal of replacement keyboards and mice, as well as smaller mice for laptop PCs. Microsoft also sells Windows-compatible USB gamepads under the Xbox 360 brand.
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At the very least, it's good that they're providing an option to upgrade from XP and not just from Vista. I never took the Vista plunge on my XP box but I may very well take the Win7 plunge at some point down the road, so it'll be worth that to have a legit upgrade.
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Those who bought new computers from Apple after June 8 get it for $9.95 to cover shipping and handling. :)
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
Apparently it'll cost you infinity dollars, since there is no Vista Home or Professional editions, and upgrading in place doesn't change anything about the base install to make it not support hardware or run slower. This comment is in place of modding you troll. Nice try.
Why should Microsoft care if the Win7 prices are "competitive" or not? They've got a captive audience
Resellers!!! I'm waiting to see what the differentials are on the Dell/HP models to get a sense of how they are getting screwed by Microsoft. The smaller resellers are going to get the worst of it. Hopefully, that will be enough economic motivation for more resellers to promote/package a Linux distro.
Retailers extract a pound of flesh for every unit sold, so Microsoft can't bully retailers as easily.
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
This is what threw me into Linux ...remember how windows 3.1 would freeze and have to reboot etc etc..
Then when you tell them of the bugs they tell you oh its fixed in the next version which you have to buy
again....so why did i bay for the buggy stuff then ? So i just jumped in linux ...was buggy ...was hard to get X11 going (this in 94 'm talking about) ...but once it got going i did not
have to reboot for months.
Why struggle and spend your time with something you pay hard earned cash when you when you can
lose less time and work on something that is free and open....after all its just the OS....Most of the other stuff either you buy (matlab etc) or you have open version for or you run wine on it.
Nod to the economy? What the hell kind of BS is that? ...oh, wait - shills galore. Got it.
Much as I hate to admit it, I know that when I build a machine, install windows, install anti-virus, and make an image of it to revert to in an emergency, the cost of the license and the time it would take still ends up being cheaper than screwing with xorg.conf - if your time is worth $25 an hour, I mean.
Extract that over 2 years and the costs are quite minimal. The fact that Apple can charge anything for OS upgrades when their hardware is so obscenely overpriced is the real ripoff.
I really hated Windows Vista and immediately formatted my laptop to Ubuntu when I got it. However, I installed Windows 7 just for kicks one weekend and was then forced to use it the whole week since I was away from my install discs the whole week and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. I hate Microsoft just as much as the next guy, but the product is definitely a legitimate upgrade from Vista (performance-wise), but still not nearly as performance conscious as XP was. Damn, I miss XP. (but not it's lack of software for Windows XP x64 Edition which I still use on my other box.)
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Games should never cost more than $50.
Then why does a PC game for four players cost $159.96 plus shipping and tax? In other words, why does a PC game require that each player use a separate copy? And why does a year of World of Warcraft or many other MMORPGs cost well over $100?
If you think by using windows in any form will get you 'assimilated by a botnet' by default, then are you sure you can administer any OS that well?
Remember MSBLAST.EXE? You obviously don't, or you wouldn't post such rubbish.
Apple charges $29 for their OS upgrade, but the Mac user who's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50% more up front for the computer that he bought from Apple. Microsoft, despite selling a few keyboards and mice, is not a hardware company, and doesn't make its money by maintaining exclusive manufacturing control of the hardware that Windows runs on.
I heard the Pirate Edition was free. Just sayin.
let me say I overpay for hardware so I can use a nice Unix operating system with a great GUI without the need to tinker with it like Linux. Plus, I get more app support than Linux.
I'm paying extra so I don't have to use Windows. It's my decision and I think it is worth every penny.
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This sort of attitude is one of the main reasons why anti-piracy lobbyists get so much love from legislators.
If you pirate Windows, why the hell would you care about "alternatives" ? And vice-versa: if you're a linux fan, you don't need to pirate Windows.
One thing is certain: bragging about your hypocritical stance on /. is not going to make Microsoft lower their prices.
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Yes, the OS is perceived as "free" by many. If you remember the dark days of Win ME, it really sucked, and a lot of people had problems with it. Yes, MS killed it as soon as they could, but that left millions of people with a crappy, poorly supported OS that developers didn't want to write apps and drivers for.
I expect people running Vista will soon be in the same boat, and the solution will be to spend $500 for a new computer or $119+ to upgrade the OS. Who wants to invest $119 in a 2-3 year old machine? MS should do the right thing and make the upgrade dirt cheap, to get all their users on the same page. But they have a near-monopoly so why should they care if they piss off millions of customers?
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I'm not an Apple zumbi, but I should applause the upgrade price for OS X: $ 29.
The users who were prisoned to Windows will see Windows 7 as second coming. Why? Their quality expectations are just ''it doesn't crash'', ''performs as fast as XP'.
I am actually testing the 64bit 7 on latest gen Mac Mini (with a real gpu) and I just shake my head asking ''dear MS, when will you learn what your users want?''. Issue starts with needlessly rebooting the system 3-4 times on such a basic (no scsi and fiber etc) computer while installing. Why? Why on earth your reboot a freaking machine 4 times? If I could find a place to feedback at MS, I was ready to submit that question. While on it, I will ask them if they will die if they put a eject icon instead of ''safely remove hardware'' in case of USB key drive.
Windows users won't sit and argue about the geometrical and perspective issue of dock (taskbar). It actually happened on OS X scene. Snow Leopard must be so good that people will upgrade their perfectly running Leopard which will be likely at 10.5.9+ levels to 10.6. The bar is really set high. For MS, it should just perform as XP and look like Vista. That is all they care about.
The problem is that because the deal is based on when the computer is purchased, any early announcement of the deal would hurt sales for those Microsoft partners until the day the upgrade deal starts as anyone who didn't need a new PC immediately would wait until June 26th.
I'm sure part of the contact with all of their retail and OEM partners states that they can't announce any sort of special deals like this in advance.
there is Visa Home Basic and Home Premium, just because Microsoft's umpteen versions of its crap is confusing doesn't mean you have to be an ass, ass
Not true -- Linux is FAR less vulnerable to any sort of exploits due to its open nature, the only people that can find and fix weaknesses in the Windows code are M$ employees, whereas any of the millions of Linux nerds out there can find and fix vulnerabilities in the Linux code, coupled with the fact that Linux does not grant root permission to every piece of software that comes across its path. Even if you reversed the market share numbers, you would not see anywhere near the virus/spyware issues on Linux, the code really is far superior. It certainly not is for everyone, as a lot of programs simply aren't available (although Wine is changing this), but it is certainly getting to the point very quickly where you would be a fool to be running Windows.
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For some of us, the comparison is "our requirements are X, compare the price of the lowest-price MS solution and the lowest-priced Apple solution that meets our spec."
You do have a point though.
Apple having cheaper hardware is kind of like saying a high-end luxury car brand gives you free scheduled maintenance for 5 years. That's all fine and dandy but if you need basic transportation, it's not even on your radar. And rest assured, TANSTAAFL, you pay for the oil changes one way or another.
Now, if Apple had $299 bare-bones PCs and $399 bare-bones laptops and some low-to-mid-range models, then we could do a real low-end-of-the-market apples-to-Apple comparison.
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I think his point is that those same legislators are abdicating their responsibility by allowing an effective monopoly (as pointed out by many previous posts) which then is free to abuse its market position. The point being then that capitalism is no longer working as advertised (i.e. increases consumer choice and leads to competitive pricing through... competition) and so one can either roll over pay up whatever they demand or rebel and pirate.
I had hoped that they would do like Apple this time and offer a family pack license. I can get Leopard with five licenses for a little over $130, less than half the cost of a second standalone copy. With four PCs in my household (my game PC, wife's, and two the kids use), even the cheapest upgrade option is nearly $500 if I upgraded all of them.
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Myth 1:
Windows applications that do not make system calls will run just as fast as on Windows (no more no less).
I will agree on the having to test, but also on Windows, to an extent, you have to test to make sure that the device that says it works on Windows actually does properly.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Pre-order for Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade is $49. For Professional, it's $99.
Just an FYI...
When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to buy a copy?
Today:
The most popular items in Microsoft Windows. Updated hourly.
Software Best Sellers
24. Windows XP Home SP2 1056 Days In The Top 100.
the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought
In other words as close to 100% of the home and SOHO markets for the last twenty-five years as makes no difference.
sThe geek really, really, needs to spend less time looking in the mirror.
On http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare-editions there's a feature which only comes with the Ultimate edition: "Work in the language of your choice and switch between any of 35 languages." It's interesting that Microsoft, with all its billions, only supports 35 languages -- at a serious premium. Compare this to volunteer-based projects such as KDE, which has (admittedly varying) levels of support for over 60 languages. For free.
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
Which is why someone needs to start one of those anti-trust lawsuits Microsoft loves so much. How can any marketplace be competitive when an expensive product is sold cheaper than a free product. Really, the only way to stop Windows marketshare is to ensure that when you buy a Dell, you have to pay the retail price (ok, or a discounted price - but you have to pay extra) for the OS too.
If Dell had to be more transparent in its pricing, you might have the situation where you bought the hardware for X, the software for Y and a Dell-engineer installation (ie the disk duplication step) fee of Z. For Windows Y might be $100 and the installation $10, and Linux Y might be $0 but Z $200, but you'd see those prices and could decide to buy just the hardware and install your own OS. With the current situation, you just see that Windows is the cheapest option, which would be impossible in any other non-monopoly-based industry.
Heh heh! They could charge a billion for it, it won't matter to me. I'll just go and grab Debian GNU/Linux for free, and get a much better computing experience.
How do you know we didn't organise the theft?
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
if you use your computer to talk to the real world sometimes you are stuck with windows if you want to get the work done.
That's ludicrous, every OS can get on the internet. Adobe has PDF writers for every OD iinm, and Star Office will read your .doc files with ease, even though the formatting may be a little off.
The onlt three reasons I can see for Windows is Excel, the program that does slideshows (what's that called again, haven't used it for years), and playing some games.
Unfortunately, there are hardware vendors who don't bother supporting anything but windows
Sad that there are such narrow minded vendors, but true.
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First of all, Win 7 is a nice OS, I have the release candidate and enjoy it much more than Vista. That being said, it's too expensive at $100. They should price it at $50 or at least have some sort of Family License (as Apple does) $200 for 4 PCs or something like that. If I'm going to have to go through the chore of upgrading 4 PCs, then at least give me something.
Who mods this crap, indeed? He's sitting at "-1 troll", but I don't see anything trollish about his post. A "remote exploit" is not a virus in the wild. Windows' insecurity compared to every other OS out there is indesputable fact.
Apple sells millions of computers a year, plenty to form a huge botnet, but I don't see them targeted. Why climb the tree when you can snatch the low hanging fruit? If Windows was twice as hard to write a virus for as Apple, the botnets would run on Apples (same goes for Linux).
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Now you've done it, he's picking up his chair...
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Yes because XP is the most secure OS ever released...I cannot even type that without LMAO
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That's how it works now. Some vendors offer you the PC without OS or with various (for cost or not) OS options.
You're missing the point that nobody gives a shit about alternative OS's. Almost everyone (in terms of percentage) wants their new desktop PC to come with Windows, and that's how they're sold. You're buying a PC that works when you plug it in, and that's how it's sold. If you want to go outside the norm you'll have to buy from less mass-market sources.
And computers should never have more than 640K of RAM...
Seriously, just asking. I, personally, have seen nothing that makes be want to use it. MS has done nothing to make me believe that I will get several hundred dollars worth of value from Windows 7. There are many people reading /. who believe they will get several hundred dollars worth of value from switching to Windows 7. Please tell me your reasons. Please tell me where you think the value is.
Yes, I am asking you to do MS's job and explain the value of Windows 7 in a way that I will understand.
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So I'm thinking shelling out an additional $200 for stuff I don't use that makes it slower is ...
EPIC FAIL!
But, then, I live in the real world where Chinese customers can get the Windows 7 OS for less than $30 total.
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It is a trade off.
I could have done the same with OTS and RAM & HDD upgrades for a few hundred more.
I mostly build my own to avoid the Microsoft tax.
However, OTS, even with the Microsoft tax, is still cheaper for a comparable system than Mac's current high-end offerings.
There we go.
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However, the downside of the fully integrated model is maintenance for hardware failures.
If your iMac LCD goes, you have to have the machine serviced or replace it entirely. I can throw a spare LCD on it. Comes in handy when I am on a project under a deadline.
Even if I need other hardware, finding parts or service locally is a lot easier as well.
Read this:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-pricing-announced-cheaper-than-vista.ars
Windows 7 Home Premium ($49.99) and Windows 7 Professional ($99.99)
That's valid at Best Buy, Amazon, Fry's, etc etc. Yes, it's only for preorders so you can argue its merits as you like, but if you're actually interested in 7, it's the way to get it.
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It doesn't really work. You can't really sit there and do a direct compare between the price of the Apple OS vs. Win7. Here's why :
A Mac Pro configured to the tits on the Apple Store site costs $18,075.00 and includes the following : 2.93Ghz Intel Xeon Quad-core processors X2, 32Gb (8x4Gb) of DDR3 1066 RAM, Mac Pro RAID card, 1TB 7200RPM SATA drive X4, Nvidia Geforce GT 120 512Mb video card X4, 18X superdrive (optical drive) X2, Apple Cinema HD 30" LCD display X2, Apple Wireless Mighty Mouse, Apple Wireless Keyboard, Airport Extreme Wifi card, Apple Mini Display Port to DVI Adapter. Also obviously includes the standard case/powersupply/motherboard/sound card that you aren't allowed to change/choose during purchase. All this for a fucking HUGE $18,075.00!
A PC configured on NewEgg, with equivalent or better parts (except the optical superdrive, of which I didn't find any @ 18X), including the following : Antec 1200 Black Steel Case, ASUS Z8PE-D12X Mobo, XFX GX295NHHFF Geforce GTX 295 1795Mb 896-bit GDDR3 viedo card X4, ABS Tagan BX1300 1300W Modular Active PFC power supply, Intel Xeon W5580 Nehalem 3.2Ghz Quad Core processor X2, Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7200RPM SATA 32Mb cache SATA drive X4, Logitech MX 5500 Revolution Wireless Keyboard/Mouse Combo, HP LP3065 30" LCD monitor X2, LG Super Multi-drive X2, Creative Sound-Blaster XFi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro sound card PCI-X, Encore ENLWI-N Wifi N adapter, Noctua NH-U12P CPU cooler. All that for $10,017.79. Add another $200.00 or so for shipping, another $299.00 for Win7, and another maybe $30.00 for thermal paste/a cable here or there/whatever, and your topping out at less than $10,600.00 for a BETTER system.
The way I see it, I'd rather pay %100 for my computer and $120.00 to upgrade to Win7 than pay %180 for a computer AND $30.00 to upgrade my OS.
Now, to be fair, I only made the comparison on the extreme high end. At the average consumer level, the Apple premium is closer to %170.
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I've bought a few computers from IBuyPower now and have been very pleased with the results. While they specialize in customizable gaming computers, they do have some precofigured packages available for sale. You can navigate to the third set of customize options when checking out the computer package you want and select a pre-formatted, no OS hard drive. Again, this is more of a customize your own ePeen-computer type site, but they might warrant your attention.
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There is also supposedly a way to get the upgrade at half the cost initially.
So for upgrades:
Home Premium: $50
Pro: $100
http://gizmodo.com/5302371/windows-7-pricing-good-news-mostly
That would be nice for me, but we'll see.
I bought a copy of Vista 64 for my last build to run legacy software, roughly translated 'games', and it doesn't run a lot of them. I would have preferred to run 32 bit XP, but it wouldn't install. I'm doing everything I need to do on Linux these days, so I can't see ever buying another copy of Windows. At those prices, it is a very poor value proposition.
I doubt I'll be buying any. It's way too expensive for me, and doesn't contain any features that I don't have already. Come on, the Compiz cube is way better than that scraggy attempt Vista had. And I can search in the kernel sources for profanities! Beat that, Steves!
For Vista SP3
Just stick to XP or your favorite Linux distro.
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... for an actual start menu?
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Nope, nobody gives a shit about what comes on their PC as long as its "free".
Once you show them the bill for the Windows OS, they'll ask "but what about that other option you have there?"
Some people will want Windows because its Windows. Most people want whatever just works. As you can see by netbook sales which (despite the dubious claims by MS) show at least reasonable numbers of Linux installs.
I would love a dirt-cheap "netbook" with a low-power cpu and chipset that:
*was built as sturdy as your typical sub-$1000 notebook
*had battery life on the high end of what is available on notebooks costing under $1000
*had a good wifi chipset
*had good, easy to use keyboard and trackpad and other ergonomics
*had a good, nice display
*is lightweight for its screen size and battery life
*had cheap-to-adequate everything else
It doesn't have to come with Windows, I would just use it for surfing and for remote-controlling other computers.
I can see that being under $400 easy, especially without the Microsoft Tax (TM).
As for $299 PCs, they are good for non-mobile "netbooks" and other "it's only a terminal"-type applications.
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It's not like half of the Internet didn't know the date since January.
We both said a lot of things that you are going to regret.
What is the OEM / SYSTEM builder price? The buy a new pc with vista and later go to 7 price?
$319 for a graphical program launcher loaded with DRM? wow.
Nope.
Windows 7 Professional and up includes the fully licensed XP in a virtual machine. (But it is a separate download, yeah.)
And it is not just a VM, programs running in the VM can seamlessly integrate with the Windows 7 desktop. If installers place icons in the start menu of the virtual machine, those icons also appear in the start menu of Windows 7 and can be used to start those programs in the VM directly.
We both said a lot of things that you are going to regret.
Somewhere hiding in a closet, I have an original "Microsoft Mouse" which had bundled with it, Microsoft Windows (1.x)!!
Sounds to me like it's more or less the same, except now it's bundled with any "New PC".
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He is brave, but not insane!
We both said a lot of things that you are going to regret.
The ISO, and hence the DVD, is 3GB. I did not say that Win7 came on a DVD that was in some mystical, previously unheard of, 3GB format. Please have a little common sense.
Windows 7's interface?? I have not seen it. I continue to use AstonShell, which still works like a charm.
Windows XP is old. It's very old. It's so old that all the other operating systems are laughing at it (except the other Windows operating system - they just drool a lot). It will not support future generations of hardware, especially those that take advantage of 64-bit functionality. It does not support more than 4gb of memory space(subtract your devices memory space from this and you get the total remaining available memory in your system - many memory cards will chew up 512mb of this space). Windows XP has been Microsoft's best personal (and commercial??) OS yet, but you can only keep an old car on the road for so long before it's time for a new one.
Win7 seems to be exactly what the next generation of Windows should be.
I smell more Linux users... At least at my house, my children have not yet experienced Winblows and will be introduced to Mandrake or Ubuntu before they have been polluted by this garbage. A re-hashed version of Vista IMO, long live solid free OS's =] Also who wants to spend $399 to be a guinea pig for all the adware/malware monkeys for the next year until they finally get majority of the bugs worked out.
The latest Ubuntu release 9.04 was able to correctly detect and configure both my monitors, a 16:9 22" lcd monitor and a 16:9 lcd tv at different resolutions without any problems. I have been using dual monitors and tv out with Linux for years without significant problems. It used to require modifying xorg.conf but now it's pretty much automatic. Linux has come a long way in the last two years, the gnome desktop is now a complete environment as is the kde desktop. Administration is simple and easy to understand. Things are well documented and it's easy to get help if you need it. I no longer worry about introducing newbies to Linux because with a quick introduction they quickly acclimatise to the new environment and become productive in a very short time. Maybe it's time you took another look.
What I do NOT need is a fast or even average-speed CPU. I don't need much disk space. I don't need much RAM. Basically, I need ThinStation plus a web browser, along with good, modern, video, keyboard, mouse, weight, ergonomics, battery life, and WLAN technology.
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Codepunk has the balls to post with his UID at least. Never had a single infection with XP, used it since it came out. Same with Vista. Oh, and by the way, I use Ubuntu too. My point is, if you can't configure and use any OS without getting your little panties in a twist, don't come on here trying to score easy points on /. slating another OS without [citation needed]. Asshat is a pretty lame thing to call someone too.
Oh no, they dropped windows classic menu option?
Lame. If I can't turn all the crap off, I don't want it.
Not that i particularly want it, but if and when it arrives preloaded that will be a big incentive to get rid.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
That's all. Just as much work goes into an xbox game, and you probably get much more enjoyment from the game. Windows is and has always been too expensive for people not to pirate.
No, people want what they expect to get. People expect Windows on a PC. Your netbook sales argument is specious - netbooks are a newish thing, people's expectations aren't as set in that space.
Its also so they can include it in 'potential revenue lost' in piracy suits via the BSA.
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Well, my vendor is FAR cheaper. You might have heard of them before, piratebay?
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So that could be actually more then you paid for your entire PC these days.
ya, makes tons of sense..
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majority of major applications for this OS also come with high price-tag
The actual attraction is "most of the major applications in popular desktop computing run on Windows", and "Windows does 99% of what you want to do, 95% of the time, for 95% of the desktop computing population."
Also, as stated many times above, the majority of consumers will get it pre-installed on their machines after a certain date, so to them it's "free".
What game do you own that requires 4 people to play it
Only a select few games designed for the PC support split-screen with gamepads, such as on a PC connected to an HDTV (EA Sports series, Lego $MOVIE series, Serious Sam series). A few more support "spawn" installations where each player has to use a separate PC but only one player has to own a copy of the game (e.g. Starcraft). The majority require a separate serial number per player.
and requires one person to pay for all the copies?
Any game played by minor children. Child labor laws in effect throughout most of the developed world prohibit children from working for money to buy their own copies of video games.
It is morally reprehensible that INTEL was literally crucified when they came up with the idea of a processor ID and yet Microsoft gets away, fairly unscathed when they implement a hash of hardware data as part of WPA. To me, there is zero difference.
Or they could rebel and go out of their way to support the alternatives. But hey, people are lazy and why learn something new and truly kick Microsoft in the balls, when you can just go to TPB to get your warez and strenghten Microsoft's network effect on the cheap.
No, if people truly cared about punishing Microsoft they'd be using Linux, the BSDs or hell, even Minix. People who pirate Windows are nothing more than cheapskates, no matter how they try to paint it.
No problem is insoluble in all conceivable circumstances.
I'd like to see the installer DVD for Snow Leopard, surprise!, install on any Core 2 mobo. If Apple didn't advertise it and didn't promote it, and didn't officially support it, but let "it just work", imagine the turmoil in Redmond when a $39 competitor's upgrade runs on all of the hardware they were hoping to co-opt at $100+ a pop.
After all, later versions of the Leopard installer DVD will install surprise! onto certain Dell laptops without intervention, and this is not an accident of Dell design...
The Dell support staff will even give advice on how to make it work better!
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All you need is a legit XP Pro SP2 OEM installer CD image and any "authentic" serial number that you can copy off of the back of any PC you see anywhere and you can be 90% certain that it will install and authenticate with Genuine Advantage.
Install SP3 afterwords and you are good to go.
If it doesn't authenticate the first time, try another serial number from the POS terminal at your local grocery store or electronics retailer. Text the SN to yourself while waiting in line to pay.
Big secret: 90% of those XP Pro stickers have never been authenticated...
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What, did you buy that iMac from some dude in a white van who claimed it "fell off the back of a truck" or something? Even today, you're paying $1499 for a 24" iMac (base model), in in 2007 you would be paying considerably more for it. Though you're right, Apple hardware isn't too expensive once you knock a few hundred off the price.
Unbeknown to me I ordered Microsoft Windows Vista 64-bit for System Builders - OEM for $99.99 USD edition just two days before this limited-time upgrade deal was announced and now the package is in the mail. Luckily for me, I intend to refuse delivery and Newegg will take the items back and refund me the money. I'll be able to recoup my costs.
Strangely if I bought my Vista version after June 26, 2009 I could get Windows 7 for only $9.99 USD for the upgrade, but because I placed the order on June 24th I don't get squat.
I just downloaded the Microsoft Windows 7 Release Candidate 64-bit version for free and got a product key that will work all the way until March 1, 2010 and then expire June 1, 2010. I'm going to install this version on a new system upgrade that I just built with Intel Core i7 920 2.6 GHz, Asus P6T, G.Skill 6GB DDR3-1600 C8 memory, and Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE cooler.
If I purchase the Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade pre-order for $49.99 USD by July 11, 2009 then I can jump from my Windows XP to Windows 7 for only $50 USD and I get to do a clean install anyway.
When October 22, 2009 rolls around and they release the full version of Windows 7 then I can either update, upgrade, or at worst do a clean reinstall to the full release RTM version then. I think that this is the path that I'm going to take and save myself half costs and skip Windows Vista along the way.
I read the title of your post, and thought you were talking about Michael Jackson..
How about channeling some of that anger energy into something more positive?
Why not use that energy to go learn a bit about Linux? Then, at least, you will allow yourself a choice, one of which will be free.
If people want to go pay for Windows 7 then good luck to them, I hope it does what they want it to and if it's anything like XP it will be a pretty good OS for most people.
But if you don't want to part with that kind of money, nobody is forcing you to do so.
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If you think by using windows in any form will get you 'assimilated by a botnet' by default, then are you sure you can administer any OS that well?
Remember MSBLAST.EXE? You obviously don't, or you wouldn't post such rubbish.
well since the way that generally happened was by connecting a fresh install to internet without any firewall then yeah I'd class that as pretty poor in the OS administration department!
You're missing some key aspects of the PC business.
Manufacturers like Dell and HP get alot of money from 3rd parties (like Intuit) to put trial version and nagware on the windows desktops.
This can often drive the effective net price of a windows desktop lower than one without an OS (+$50 for windows, -$150 for various bundled trialware/nagware).
In addition, if the manufacturer doesnt have their support infrastructure fully setup, then they may feel that there is a higher support cost to them for non-windows than windows.
Then there are marketing subsidies from Intel, AMD and Microsoft to put labels on the machines, etc.
There are many non-obvious aspects of the industry like this, its never as simple as hardware + os = total price.
Apart from the price what's the difference between 'Windows 7 Home Premium' and 'Windows 7 Ultimate'. Is it a case of taking 'Windows 7 Ultimate' and disabling core functionality and renaming it 'Windows 7 Home Premium', and then charging people more money to subsequently re-enable it ..
Windows 7 Home Premium $199, Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade $119, Windows 7 Professional $299, Windows 7 Professional upgrades $199, Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade $219, Windows 7 Ultimate $319
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The number of computer games that are intended to be played in the same physical locale AND are not playable on the same screen is very small.
How about every first-person shooter or real time war sim that has ever been taken to a LAN party? The problem is that hardly any games designed for Windows 7 or any other PC-based platform are playable on the same screen because hardly any PC game developers have HTPCs in mind.
The vast majority of games that require multiple players buying a license to play on a machine for a single player at a time are Internet based (XBL, etc), and so even if it was kids buying it, it would be different parents buying for their kids, not one parent buying it for a kid and all his friends.
A focus on Internet play over local play leads to a situation where little Bonnie and Johnny who live in the same house, and then Bonnie asks to go to Chester's house just so she can play against Johnny. I'd say there's something wrong with this picture.
Actually not true.
I don't pirate windows, but I'll detail why one, even a linux fan, might need to.
I prefer Linux for nearly any task. However, there is one application I like to run and one which I must run, which require windows. One of them requires direct access to the hardware.
The result of this is that I must run Windows on my laptop. I use PuTTY and Xming to connect to a beefy Linux machie; the processing power of both machines and the speed and quality of my LAN ensures that my Linux applications do not suffer any in performance.
Had I not received a free copy of Vista Ultimate from Microsoft, I would have pirated XP, although I am a Linux fan. In doing so, I would still care about alternatives, as it is one of these alternatives that is my preference.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Well that brings my count of reasons to switch to GNU/Linux to about 1,000