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Steve Jobs Says PC Folks' World Is Slipping Away
theodp writes "Provoked by an iPad ad promising a 'revolution,' Valleywag's Ryan Tate fired off a late-night missive to Steve Jobs. Jobs responded, and the two engaged in an after-midnight e-mail debate over lockdown, Cocoa vs. Flash, battery life, and whether 'freedom from porn' is a bug or a feature. 'The times they are a changin',' quipped Jobs, 'and some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away. It is.' Tate was unswayed by the Apple CEO's reality distortion field, but did come away impressed by Jobs' willingness to spar one-on-one over his beliefs — at two in the morning on a weekend."
Sounds to me like Jobs just got trolled hard. 10/10 for Ryan Tate.
Sorry Steve. The PC had me at "Hello boys"
Hehe, I will say that in the last image of the email exchange, Steve Jobs really zinged Tate.
Julie Moult is an idiot.
here in the real world, he hasn't hardly made a dent in personal computing. I'd admit he has cornered the wanky new toy gadget market, that's about it.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
to: "Steve Jobs"
Your "Reality Distortion Field ©®" is failing and is slipping away.
*Note* Side effects of the failure may cause "Liver damage"...
Cordially Yours,
Reality...
Laters Sol "Have you found the secrets of the universe? Asked Zebade "I'm sure I left them here somewhere"
Go out, buy nothing but an iPad and tell me how good your computing experience is 12 months from now.
No cheating. Not a single transaction on a single machine that isn't an iPad.
I dare you.
I wonder what defines the "PC World"? Is StevieJ sawing away on the limb to MacBooks as well, or is does he somehow distinguish between the concept of a laptop and a laptop? ...an iPad would seem to be a Personal Computer even if subject to corporate bondage.
What Tate failed to realize that he was actually arguing with a bot, and Apple decided to start testing their new artificially intelligent overlord outside the lab. He then woke up in the morning with a stolen iPhone prototype in his pocket, and a dead hooker in his bed.
... and then they built the supercollider.
Doesn't really surprise me at all. Steve wants a controlled user experience and geeks want the freedom to do whatever the hell they want to do. The two clash. Steve is right though, we don't have to buy his devices, so don't. It's that easy. I do like Steve's quote at the end of the exchange, however. For as many people bitch about Apple here, there aren't enough that actually go out and do something about it. Even if you're not a developer, you can still vote with your wallet. If you want to drive FOSS to greater prominence, either help by using it or help by creating and fixing it. Complaining about Apple on the internet won't do much. Creating or helping to improve FOSS is only real way to stick it to Apple.
The computer, consumer electronic market and the gaming console market are like quick sand; its hard to say who is really winning or losing.
26% of the Planet is online.. but the vast majority of them are connecting with Mobile Devices. The rest are connecting with some type of Intel/AMD based device and some with other processors like ARM but very few of them (I don't have the exact percent) are running an Apple OS.
Thus in that context Apple while is winning in consumer electronics (phone, music play, etc.) versus Microsoft there is real competition and MS had phones for a lot longer. MS is winning over Apple in the gaming console area but has lots of competition from real gaming companies..
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://www.hawknest.com/
Jobs' empire is falling down around him.
AAPL: $253.82 Market Cap: $230.96B P/E: 21.54.
How can I get an empire to fall down around me like that?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
This guy just wrapped up all the common complaints that Adobe and the non-Apple customers want you to believe what's wrong with iPad, and sends off a profanity laced alcohol induced email exchange to see if he can out wit Steve Jobs.
I'd say that Steve stayed pretty much on message with what he's been always saying, even without his PR department to filter out his intent. And the blogger just looks like, well, a troll.
what this wank does to better society. Sorry, I don't see how limiting apps available on a product is in any way Orwellian, just very restrictive. Vote with your dollars. If you don't like it, get something else. If you don't like it, get an HP Hurricane when they come out.
Steve Jobs seems to ignore everything that caused products to be successful: Price to performance. Lets see here the iPad
The iPad costs ~$500, a cheap notebook costs $300-400, paying $500 for a notebook usually gets you a fast, powerful notebook. With a notebook I'm not limited by stupid design decisions, even Microsoft lets me do what I want and doesn't restrict programs. If I want to install an emulator, thats fine. If I want to install Photoshop, thats fine. I don't have to worry about petty squabbles about how Flash is sooooo evil and destroying the world! I can just choose to install Flash or not. With a notebook I can pay ~$5 for a USB card reader rather than $30 for a single-format card reader. With a notebook I have choices of just about everything else, I'm not locked into expensive hardware.
The iPod won marketshare for having a good UI and being small. The iPad has a decent-ish design and decent UI. However, when I can get a laptop with a UI that I've been using for most of my adult life... Why change? The iPad runs expensive applications, a laptop runs free applications.
I think I'm not alone in thinking how annoying it is to have common-sense features be added in at a later date which would have already been done with a simi-open platform.
No one wants real applications! We will never have an iPhone SDK! After all, programs are -terrible- to run. No one wants an alternate browser! No one wants copy/paste! No one wants multi-tasking!
Sorry Steve, I don't understand your opposition to common sense. I have an iPod touch because at the time it was the cheapest wi-fi enabled device to have a good internet experience on the go with some games/music/movies. I'm not going to get an iPad because there are cheaper devices that do a -ton- more.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
"As much as I enjoyed watching SJ take that clown to school, it probably isn't a good idea for him to do so since there's likely to be litigation against his employer in the near future."
Jobs was doing well until he brought up porn.
Porn has been published in every medium known to man since the beginning of time. We have literally found porn cave paintings. Porn is nothing new, and will continue to exist. And as long as it's existed, kids have always gotten their hands on it.
Steve acting as if it was some new fad that Apple is attempting to stem is disturbing. I'm not saying they need to start putting porn in the app store, but c'mon, Apple stopping sideloading so they can keep the iPhone free of porn? There are already ways of getting porn on the device (web), and kids can very easily jailbreak the thing to load on whatever they want. Apple is making a dumb stand on principle.
He told the Gawker editor that he'd understand if he had kids. One has to wonder if this is a result of a bad experience Steve has personally had with his family, and not so much a business decision.
Dream on.
I like the freedom that the PC offers. If I want to run Windows , Linux, BSD and any of it's 31 flavors, Solaris or even MacOS I can. Now before you say I am anti-Apple. I have an old Imac I am converting into a lunchbox computer. But I still like the freedom of my PC in all of it's wonderful quirks and hardware and software choices. Yes I realize that with great computing freedom comes risk, but at times that is the fun of it. I am not in this walled garden clueless as to what is out there.
Jobs and Microsoft have something in common, both are waiting for the death of their biggest competition. For Jobs it is the PC and for Microsoft it is FOSS and Linux.
I recall an Apple Advert that played on several Orwellian themes, Now days it appears that apple was just looking in to future and into a mirror...
We cannot solve problems with the same thinking that got us there - A Einstein(paraphrased)
Steve's right! All technology companies must shut down and we must all start purchasing everything exclusively from Apple. They're clearly the only option for the future.
Seriously, everything Apple does is designed to keep you trapped within their closed ecosystem. If you succumb to Steve and has trashy products, the above message is what you're sending.
Hari Seldon wrote all about it.
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LOL. This is like the pope telling scientists that “reality” is slipping away.
My friend Jobs... before you tell others that their reality is slipping away, maybe you should check if you yourself still live in reality. ^^
I’m just saying... no Java or Flash (or in fact any freedom to run what you like) on your devices, “because Steve Jobs said so” instead of what would have actually made sense... that should have been the first sign to bring the nice guys in the white coats with the straitjacket... ;)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
If the iPad can provide the functionality they need, and contrary to the false statement, free p0rn(who wants to pay for an app to pay for p0rn anyway) and let the kids write papers with a bluetooth keyboard and not have updates fail because MS cannot verify via WGA an accuse the user of theft, then why buy anything else?
I feel a little disturbed that I can't change batteries, add memory, or write my own programs like I can on my Mac, but then I don't fix my own car anymore either. The worlds moves on, and one either moves or gets run over. And just look at the unemployment rate in the US to see what happens to those that get run over. Sure you can hold rallies and complain about taxes and blame the immigrants, but you are still run over.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
It would be more interesting if rms@gnu.org was added to the CC list.
Is that the guy who decided to go up against Steve did such a tepid job of it.
If you really feel like trying to piss Jobs off for his control-freakery and insistence on building Computers Where The Trains Run on Time, you don't just whine about "freedom", you throw his past as an ostensibly anti-establishment maverick in his face.
"So, Steve, you finally got rid of those slots that Woz was always sneaking in to things, and have even managed to build a (walled) garden of pure ideology, where each user may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory runtimes and confusing languages..."
Well, sure there's going to be porn on the iPhone too, but Apple's not going to be the company that delivers it. Frankly, I can see where he's coming from on that, because the last thing a company of Apple's size needs is a pretext for puritans and politicians to bash them over.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
+1 for quotating Asimovs Fundation ^^
iMacs, Macbooks, etc, are Personal Computers. Steve Jobs says that PCs are going away, and that lockdown is the future of computing. He's delusional. Where will the content come from for his iPads? Other iPads? There have to be non-locked-down computers in the future, and until people's internet access has five or six nines, the computers need to be Personal Computers, not cloud-servers.
it is easy to call someone a troll, especially if they come with inconvenient truths that hit just a little to close to home.
Jobs first talks about freedom and then that freedom is not the issue. So what is it?
In many ways we have been lucky with the PC. We could have ended up with Apple or Commodore controlling the market, both the software and the hardware. Good luck getting Linux to run on a closed platform. Just see how much harder it is to get Linux on a mac, and that is the mac of the company that did NOT end up controlling the entire market.
While I dislike Gates with a passion, he did create a platform that is remarkably open. Old Borgie never cared if you watched porn on his OS. Never felt the need to keep the kiddies safe from titties. While I agree with Apples decision to ban flash from their platform, there is a danger in this.
Tell me, would you tolerate the sugar company banning you from eating their sugar raw? No? Then explain why you tolerate Apple banning flash. And if you comment that you don't mind being banned from eating sugar raw because you don't do that anyway, then you just don't get it and never will. Please, do not vote or reproduce. Don't ask why, smarter people are telling you and you should listen.
When does the line cross between protecting customers and controlling them? Would it be okay for MS to warn you that your are about to install virus? How about if they refuse to allow you to do so? How about a cheater program? A crack? You can argue for controlling such software but should MS be allowed to do so? Should Apple?
A story below this one is the story of Google Docs not being fully compatible and that using it might result in data loss. Wouldn't it be nice if MS stopped you from loosing data by refusing to allow you to export your documents to other formats? Well would it?
Who owns the iPad? Apple or the consumer? If MS tried to control your PC in the same way, would you tolerate it? Would you take it from Dell? Then why do you take it from Apple?
Now you can ignore Apples control for now, because you can easily work around them. nobody has to have an iPad, iPhone, iPod or Mac. No really, you do not. So their control is "harmless". For now.
But if we start allowing companies to believe that they can continue to tell us what they can do their products we bought from them, well where does it end? You see, I am still fearful of the DRM computer. The idea that has been floating around for a while to create system where the user no longer has final say in what runs and what does not on his on hardware. There are powerful interests from media companies (and Steve "Disney" Jobs knows this more then most) to make this happen. What we DON'T need right now is for consumer to just roll over on total control over their own possessions for a shiny toy.
Pierce through the Steve Jobs reality distortion field and you are being sold DRM. It might be shiny DRM, but that doesn't change its nature.
It might be harmless now, but will it continue to be harmless? Read some of the wilder proposals from the content industries, including such things as filters on all hardware to screen for copyrighted content and block its display. Would you buy it? Would you buy it from Apple? You are already doing it. Step 1 complete.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Negative freedoms: the biggest load of BS to infect pop sociology in the last century. When someone claims to offer or desire "freedom from" anything, run for the hills, because they are either too naive to understand the costs or too traumatized to care. Neither viewpoint is healthy.
The only thing I see slipping is Steve's grip on reality. The Apple world is infitesimal compared to PC.
the more sales of crapple crap will slip through his hands....
Don't own, don't use crapple and will never will.
If any ones world is slipping away its crapple...
squeeze harder while you can joboi...
1311393600 - Back to Black
He told the Gawker editor that he'd understand if he had kids. One has to wonder if this is a result of a bad experience Steve has personally had with his family, and not so much a business decision.
Hand lotion.
Tissue.
the Woz.
Naked.
Get the picture?
Steve did. And he cannot get it out of his head (even though his liver tried its best, bless its little heart.)
"Well, sure there's going to be porn on the iPhone too, but Apple's not going to be the company that delivers it."
There is a difference between Apple delivering porn, and Apple attempting to stop everyone else from delivering it.
I've worked for an organization that buys Apple products in several thousand batches (they're the biggest spenders on Apple products in education in their respective state. And the state in question is a west coast state that is very big on technology.) The major holdup with the iPad has been sideloading. It's very difficult for an organization to manage iPads en masse when they can't even manage the deployed software easily. The lack of sideloading was first blamed on mobile applications threatening cell networks (which everyone knows is a load of bull), and then more recently, porn.
The organization in question currently runs off Macbooks. The kids have loaded porn on the Macbooks. Before that we had desktop machines. The kids loaded porn on those. Hell, I remember before we had computers and the kids brought porno magazines to school. Yes, we were concerned about porn, but it was nothing new.
While Apple restricting the device makes it easier for us to enforce discipline, it also cuts us off at the knees and almost makes the iPad a non starter in enterprise. Yes, Apple does offer a private app store for your organization. But that doesn't really mean much when we need a way of loading software onto thousands of devices at once.
Apple is supposedly sending engineers to my old employer to look at these issues. I hope it results in an improvement to the manageability of iPhone OS.
1) get Chinese hardware manufacturers to clone the hardware
2) set up App store.
3) make sure it is [b]very[/b] well optimized for flash video
4) Include Silicone case. Very warm battery. Good for 'reading' in bed.
5) including all the tunneling software built in. Make sure "It just Works" especially in non-Western nations.
6) Start viral rumor, which turns out to be true, about secret "porn mode" switch.
7) Profit!
Apple, Microsoft, and the RIAA/MPAA would disagree.
About freedom Steve? First mail says it is all about Freedom (fine print - as he defines it.) Then few mails later suddenly it is not about Freedom. It is about Apple doing the right thing.
May be in Steve's world Freedom is a code name for a future product which has an ability to disappear when you make it do something that Apple don't want you to make it do.
(Sorry Jail breakers and Porn fans - you are just going to have to give it up.)
because the last thing a company of Apple's size needs is a pretext for puritans and politicians to bash them over.
He's chosen instead a stance that everyone else can bash Apple over. Steve Jobs is supposed to be peddling coolness, but his attitude on porn comes off as distinctly old-fashioned and out-of-touch.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
He should go over to Pixar and ask the artists, modelers and animators there how they would enjoy having an iPad as a workstation. If he fires everyone that laughs at him, no creative talent will remain there.
It seems that Ninnle Labs has been developing an application that allows you to run applications for IPad, IPhone, IPod and Mac under Ninnle Linux, and it's seamless to the host system. I plan on installing this on my Ninnle box as soon as it's available.
Jobs' empire is falling down around him. All hail FOSS, Linux, Android, and no more closed-source.
It is, after all, the 10th anniversary of the year of Linux on the desktop.
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
"Ok... Flaming Dragon, fuckface. First, take a big step back... and literally, FUCK YOUR OWN FACE! I don't know what kind of pan-pacific bullshit power play you're trying to pull here, but Asia, Jack, is my territory. So whatever you're thinking, you'd better think again! Otherwise I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down an ungodly fucking firestorm upon you! You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking about a scorched earth, motherfucker! I will massacre you! I WILL FUCK YOU UP!!! [hangs up] [to assistant] Can you find out who that was?"
While I dislike Gates with a passion, he did create a platform that is remarkably open.
But the Mac OS is just as open as Windows. And Windows Phone 7 is just as closed as the iPhone. So, where's the difference?
Tell me, would you tolerate the sugar company banning you from eating their sugar raw? No? Then explain why you tolerate Apple banning flash
The problem is that you're talking about two radically different things. Apple has not banned Flash, they are just not providing it on their mobile devices. Adobe is still free to offer it on whatever other platforms will allow them to. In your analogy, I guess it's the difference between the sugar company passing a law to prevent you eating sugar, versus them not providing you with a spoon to eat their sugar with.
If you are all about freedom, then does Apple not have the freedom to ship whatever software they like on their products? Should they be mandated to package somebody else's software? Why is nobody whining about RealPlayer not being installed on iPhones?
... and then they built the supercollider.
I find it funny that Ryan Tate is unable to engage in rational dialog without cursing (cursing is the analog to yelling in real life), especially when he has a chance to actually engage with the most well known CEO on the planet. He squandered it and comes away looking like an ass.
But I am a PC.
I'll bet this Tate guy would use his iTunes in the production of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons if not for the courageous and providential oversight provided by St. Jobs's.
Steve is a rapidly dying, mentally, emotionally and physically deteriorated ruin of a human being, bent on control fueled by his narcissism trying to slap together a legacy pyramid for himself. I sat across the table from the man and he is freaking nuts and everyone who works for him knows it. Pitiful.
"There's an App for that ..."
Divide a cake by zero. Is it still a cake?
I have no idea what you are talking about. Installing linux on a mac is as easy as installing it on a pc. The difference is that the macs do not use a BIOS, so you need to install something that helps as a boot manager (rEFIt). Apple's boot manager doesn't recognize linux (I think) I give you that, but at least they include a boot manager that can boot more than just their own OS (windows) and can boot from the network and from external devices. I dont think you understand what a mac actually offers.
I'm pretty sure Steve doesn't care if you use an iphone or an ipad to watch some porn. He just doesn't want to distribute it thru Apple's store. Just like Gates [MS] never distributed porn.
That sugar analogy didn't work. but I'm going to explain why I tolerate Apple banishing flash. I love it, because I had to use flash on a non-windows environment. It sucks. On a C2D2 mac laptop, it consumes about 80-90% CPU on some (if not most) non video flash apps. It makes the battery die faster. It makes the whole laptop run very hot. I don't want developers to feel comfortable developing for the lowest denominator (flash) that has demonstrated that sucks.
I would love for MS to warn if you are about to install a virus. And would love if they refused my parents (and other tech people) of installing it. A cheater program is not the same as a virus, so I'm not going to lump them together with viruses.
APple doesnt try to control the mac, so you cant compare it to the PC. You can comprate it with say the new Windows 7 mobile phones that will only allow silverlight apps.
Where I'll get ruffled is when I have to use altogether different fuel and roads to enjoy them with. They all have their benefits, and none can do what the other can.
The key is, it's all dictated by the circumstances surrounding the use - and if someone is inducing those conditions for personal reasons, I'll be irked, whether it's a computer platform, automotive fuel, food choice, or audio media - it's all the same.. There's a selfish way to do it, and an altruistic way. The first will likely be about profit and notoriety which can be 'pure' motives just as well the other, where the majority of the motivation comes from some other source - creative urge, societal need, intellectual competition.
Compromise is the driving force behind the first, with an utter lack of compromise backing the second, and they need each other.
So, you're saying Apple is suddenly afraid of taking on puritans (of all people)?? That's not the counter-culture Apple I grew up admiring.
Lets face it, Apple is getting Disneyfied/Pixar'ed. You may make oodles of money, but it's just not the real world.
I have an open platform, it's the PC and last I checked you needed no signature to run anything on the Mac either. If you think all companies around the world will ever require the sign-off of Steve Jobs to run their custom software you are smoking some really, really good shit. The question is, does everything I own have to be this sort of end user changable thingy? Really, it doesn't. My phone has exactly the features it has and they won't change unless Nokia says so, and while I'm aware of homebrew my Wii is as Nintendo made it. Amd yeah so I own it but I never bought it under the pretense of being anything else than an appliance and it serves the advertised purpose.
Sure, they're almost all computers in drag these days and Turing complete but I already have one of those. And it's running Linux so it's so top to bottom open as possible. It's very neat but as I think all of us know choosing that freedom comes with a price in the selection of hardware, software and online services that don't like your browser or system configuration. I would never put my documents on a closed plaform but when I game on the Wii I want to play here and now, and honestly if I can't run it in 10 years when the hardware is dead and Nintendo has obsoleted the console I will survive. I figure it's the same with Apple and their iGarden.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
> "There's an App for that..."
Sure, but it wasn't approved for the iStore.
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This means he's not 100% sure himself if his strategy will play out in the end. If he was sure, he wouldn't be debating.
Why, did you do something with your iPad that was unauthorized by Apple?
There is a difference between Apple delivering porn, and Apple attempting to stop everyone else from delivering it.
Sure there'ss a difference, and Apple isn't trying to stop anyone else from delivering it. Try it for yourself: go to any porn site with Mobile Safari. Apple's not going to host porn apps on the App store, and that's a good business decision.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Did you use to sell mortgage backed securities?
They're interested in making money. If there is something mobile and connected that this 26% wants to buy that has a substantial profit margin in it, you can bet Apple is working on it _right now_. The key word here is "profit" though, Apple wouldn't sink billions into something just for the marketshare.
I guess Jobs wont be needing intel cpus and intel motherboards. You know the PC hardware that his company moved to after their own hardware was found to be terribly poor performing and far behind intel.
Yeah. Steve. Stop selling Macs. Go right ahead please.
Steve Jobs is a fucking asshole, and has always been one.
The real reason he doesn't want Flash on the iPad is because Apple is increasingly lining up against Google in many markets. Google's ownership of Youtube, and therefore fast online video with an incredibly huge library, is a threat to Apple.
Jobs and Apple want a walled-garden store. Since video is arguably the iPad's single killer app, and a place where it actually does look extremely impressive, they can't afford to have another company dominant in that sector.
Prediction: Google is going to wipe its ass on that overpriced piece of toilet paper.
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
"Sure there'ss a difference, and Apple isn't trying to stop anyone else from delivering it. Try it for yourself: go to any porn site with Mobile Safari. Apple's not going to host porn apps on the App store, and that's a good business decision."
I agree they're not stopping anyone from doing anything in Mobile Safari, but at that point you have to ask why they're stopping sideloading of apps. There is nothing stopping XCode from provisioning for non app store free distribution (like it already does for beta testing purposes), and iPhone OS being UNIX can already securely sandbox things.
It's kind of a weird distinction to make. "We won't let the user load their own porn apps on for the childrens! But the childrens are welcome to use Safari to find porn!" If you're freely allowing content via one medium, why are you blocking it in another?
So Steve engages someone whose parent company is being criminally investigated. What part of "you have the right to STFU" did this moron not get? Now there's a nice text-trail to be handed off to the lawyers. Bravo Ryan - you've been played.
IF the iPad is the future; the future will NOT be iPads all over, it will an evolution of the concepts that made it so big that will change everything and people will point back to the source of that to the iPad; or for the technology, back to the Newton, PC Tablet, and iPhone - but mostly back to the iPad.
Expect heavy bitching to create competitors and nudge apple into other directions. The ubuntu like app stores will continue to be popular - and the list will continue to be filtered to a select few to cut down on the bloat of crap software. Apple is protecting their experience by acting as a gateway now and it has proven effective; but at some point it could change.
The 1st mac changed the world forever. It wasn't the 1st on all of it, they payed xerox for secrets that the public didn't know about. The computers today are quite different but they are BASED upon that early mac.
The iPad could very well be the future of laptop computing for MOST of the world of the future and while the tablet PC was 1st (or arguably the Newton) and the others didn't win over the public; like the iPod came in late in the game; as well as the iPhone.
I will not buy an iPad. Its not good enough or open enough for me yet.
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You're free to have your religion, I should have the right not to have it forced on me, i.e., the freedom from religion.
I'm not asking you to take away choice; I want to be able to choose to be free from religion.
(This isn't the same as Jobs's crazy world view, where people are better off when he disallows them from doing things...)
I don't care what other people use. I've been using Linux as my desktop since 1993.
Have you seen most of what's on Youtube? It's not a threat to Apple or to anyone offering premium content.
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Sounds like Communism.
I just realized I responded to the wrong post. Damn this /. 2.0, and my apologies to you sir
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Not cool to take a private email exchange and publish it for everyone to see. This guy should be ashamed of himself.
Just like a fucktard... blaming a website on their inability to properly respond to a thread.
Fail.
But if you call now you can get two chef's knives, a utility knife that can cut through a lead pipe and still slice tomatoes (if you like lead flavoured tomatoes) and a set of ginsu steak knives for only $29.95 plus shipping and handling
Computing will become more ubiquitous and more "personal" as time passes. The wanky toy market is going to skyrocket. Cellular data is where the smart money is.
Why are you making this a zero sum game? You can have your open PC alongside your closed iPad. You dont have to pick one or the other.
So long as there is a market for the open pc... there will be vendors selling them, have no worries about that.
Hari Seldon wrote all about it
Seldon is fiction.
Seldon's answer to the Fall was the introduction of backstage manipulators answerable to no one.
The geek might usefully remember that the Western Roman Empire on which the Foundation series is modeled had a four hundred year run and the Eastern Empire about a thousand years more.
It makes me so happy that a mod recognized this comment for the brilliance it is :)
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Personally, I kinda thought that the blogger came away looking like an immature douchebag, compared to Jobs who at least has a clear vision of the world (rightly or wrongly).
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Every Minute. It's what Jobs believes and it's payed off. Big. People will pay $500 for an extra 24 gigs and feel happy about it instead of feeling utterly ripped off about paying $5 more for an SD slot that could take unlimited space. $30 for a USB cable with a special Apple connector on the end. Ugh. Anyone that buys Apple products is a fool.
Call me a heretic, but I like both Steve Jobs and Stallman. I would rather have both or none rather than just one. They each are both ballzy and push for what they want to see in their respective ecosystems. In the case of Stallman's ecosystem (GNewSense), flash doesn't exist either and all closed source blobs must die. You can't tell me this doesn't cause restrictions.
Steve Jobs is a crazy man who has time and time pushed for things that people thought were ridiculous and would never fly. The thing I like the most about Jobs is he keeps getting Apple to do things against the corporate grain that makes the companies around them shat their pants. I wouldn't think investors in a publicly traded company would allow him to do things like not license patents on multitouch etc.
My 5 cents anyway.
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
I found I could configure it endlessly. Tailor it perfectly. Oh, the Beauty!
My friends wanted to use their PCs. They got lost is a maze of configuration hell. Oh the Horror!
I got a MacBook.
*Gasp* I could barely configure it at all! The Horror!!
My friends didn't notice as they got down to Beautiful work.
I agree with everything Steve Jobs is trying to do with his devices. He lets us use them his way. Oh, and if we play ball they work! *Bonus*
I hate the constrains Steve Jobs puts on me!
Here's the secret... wait for it...
Steve knows (and I know he knows) that folks like me will ultimately thank him because:
1. Our friends don't have to constantly ask for our help to de-virus, un-malware, re-install the thing after they shoot themselves in the foot with it *Beauty!*
2. We just jailbreak the thing (the Horror and the Beauty) and now Steve (I bought the device) and I (I stepped out of the walled garden but won't blame Apple for any problems I have) are both happy.
Cheers,
Bruce.
Bruce A. Knack
Silicon Surfers
Steve Jobs broke the sacred rule. He's taking a stand against porn.
Steve Jobs... You're NERD Status has been REVOKED!
You're now one of them... ew.
That is the point, haven't you ever actually read Foundation? The idea is that a strong empire, and empire that outwardly seems invincible, can be fatally flawed in such a way that it will crumble while nobody even realizes what is happening.
This is exactly what the GP was alluding to, and why it is so on target. Just because you have a lot of money and think of yourself as great, doesn't mean your future is looking bright.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
content will come from workstations... aka the pc @ work.
pc's as strictly defined as "personal" computers will go away (except for enthusiasts... like the slashdot crowd), but the workstation will last for a very very long time.
Just because no one else has said it:
You don't actually need to buy it. So this is a new choice, something you can choose to buy. Obviously, Steve has not required you to use it. So if you want to choose those things buy an iPad, otherwise, don't.
The problem is that you're talking about two radically different things. Apple has not banned Flash, they are just not providing it on their mobile devices. .... If you are all about freedom, then does Apple not have the freedom to ship whatever software they like on their products? Should they be mandated to package somebody else's software? Why is nobody whining about RealPlayer not being installed on iPhones?
Apple has banned Flash.
It's no longer Apples product once I bought it, it's mine. Apple doesn't have to distribute it it, they don't need to block it. Here I am defending something I hate..... I can't stand Flash. I don't need Apple to tell me that.
DRM? No thanks, I'll just get it somewhere else...
Alcohol may have been involved, but at least I still display manners.
If you build it, nerds will come. Soylentnews.org
Apple has banned Flash.
If Apple has banned Flash, then why can I still use it on my Mac? And how is Adobe still able to sell it?
It's no longer Apples product once I bought it, it's mine.
Absolutely. Go nuts. Do whatever the fuck you want with it. Jailbreak it, hack it, smash it into pieces. That doesn't mean Apple is obligated to provide you with Flash.
... and then they built the supercollider.
I thought thats what Iphone and Ipad were all about, rip all my hd's full of pr0n into h264 so I can haz with me at all times. And now I can "touch" too! Magic
*ding ding ding*
Round One - sjobs.
Whether or not you agree with the Jobs, he's pretty on target with one point - no one's forcing you to buy Apple. If you choose to buy Apple or develop for the Apple platform, guess what? You take what they have to offer. They're under no obligation to cater to your sensibilities or agree with what you think freedom is or should be.
With other forms of media - if you don't like message, change the channel (or station).
If you don't like what Apple's selling or how they're selling or how they're dealing with their vendors or developers, then don't buy Apple. It's that simple. There are other options.
Apple has not banned Flash, they are just not providing it on their mobile devices.
No, Apple has banned Flash on their mobile devices. Adobe can make a Flash player that would run on the iPad, except that Apple would not allow it to be installed.
Microsoft does not provide Flash in their PC OS, but Adobe can make a compatible version and Microsoft does not prevent me from installing and using it.
I don't know how that porn comment should be taken. He may very well be completely against sexually explicit material and on a crusade to ban it from the company's products but then what major company who isn't in the adult entertainment industry is publicly pro porn? It's a politically toxic subject that most public entities are against when it comes up.
That being the case, I don't believe he is out to actively prevent people from accessing porn and the comment either didn't come out right or is being misinterpreted. Here is how I see it in the context of the discussion.
"Freedom from programs that steal your private data, freedom from programs that trash your battery, freedom from porn."
The common thread between the first two is that they are both things that are unexpected and you don't want so presumably so is the third. Contextually, I think "freedom from porn" means freedom from unwanted exposure to porn. You can run into pornographic content when you don't necessarily want to online so I think what Jobs is getting at is you won't find it in the App Store just like you won't find the other two negative kinds of programs.
This isn't at all unprecedented, you won't find pornographic magazines sitting in the racks at Target or Wal-Mart or find XXX movies in their DVD section. If you want to take it to electronic stores, you won't find XXX movies at Amazon or those crazy sexually explicit games on Steam.
The argument is usually "clearly mark the section as adult" and "put in access controls" Those things still expose you to porn in that you know it's there, right behind that Adult button and that alone makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I'm not anti-adult material in any way but if I drive down the road and see some kind of adult entertainment shop amongst the other kinds of businesses it stands out. You can't see inside but you know what's in there. Porn, in a way, is like drugs. Even though it's widely consumed it's just not something that's generally put in public since it's considered a very personal and private thing. There is nothing at all unreasonable about saying no adult content in the App Store.
At some point in the past an Apple exec (possible Jobs) said the iPhone OS platform is being used differently than traditional PC platforms so far as how people use it to get at data. Rather than hit a search engine to find things, people on iPhone OS prefer to use specialty apps built around gathering and manipulating specific data sets.
The point he was trying to convey, I think, is that the public can rest assured that the App Store will not carry programs to help people find porn. However, as long as they're bundling a web browser that can play video (he's rallying against Flash, not web video) and iPod capabilities you're certainly free to access all the porn you like the old fashioned way, by specifically seeking it out or loading it from your computer.
If Apple starts including filters (beyond parental controls) to scrub web content or forces you to browse through an Apple proxy server or something then I'll see a problem but right now I just see a widely accepted business practice.
Steve Ballmer will answer personal emails in an attempt to be cool. Wait. Does anyone send him stuff?
Jailbreaking is sort of contrary to "just works"
Printing from an iPad is a solved problem.
Sorry Steve, but the PC world is not slipping away. When businesses wake up and realize they've been had when "cloud computing" solutions disappear along with their proprietary data in corporate implosions, when they can't get to that absolutely-must-have document right before a shareholders' presentation due to a router flaking out somewhere in guam or due to a DDoS, they will dump cloud computing and take over their own systems and build data centers in house again. All it takes is one or at most two outages at critical times to demolish any credibility that SAAS provider may have gained from a subscriber.
I like to control my own hardware. I like it to run how I like it, and that's why I jailbroke my iPhone. I don't like the all-black style you like for the iPhone, so I installed Winterboard so I could skin it. When I accidentally "clicked" the update button with the Enter key due to iTunes' stealing focus and it downgraded from 3.1.2 to 3.1.3, and found there were no solutions for reinstalling 3.1.2, I learned all I could about how the jailbreaking process worked (stupid me, I didn't have the SHSH hashes backed up!) and after seven hours of working with it, I was happily running 3.1.2 again, and was again free of your narcissistic tastes and made my iPhone mine.
I like your OS - but I hate your desktop and laptop hardware. It's pretty, sure, but I don't pick laptops or desktops for looks. I pick the hardware for performance, stability, and flexibility. Unfortunately, your hardware offers only one of those three (stability). I went with a Dell Precision mobile workstation which I scored a GREAT deal on, and ended up spending less than the Macbook Pro 17" sells for, but I have a much faster, more capable notebook with an nVidia Quadro graphics chipset, two integrated pointer options with three REAL "mouse" buttons (no "virtual" secondary button bullshit) and an RGB-LED backlit display that would make the most diehard macfanatic drool.
My desktops boast workstation-class motherboards, and my next desktop is going to be a server/workstation class board, and I will spend far less I would have to spend on a Mac pro. The Supermicro cases may not looks as nice, and the supermicro boards inside the machines aren't as pretty as the Mac motherboards, but they have all the stability your products offer but also bring far more capability to the table; much higher RAM capacity, 6 PCIE slots (three of them being PCI-E x16!), the ability to run the latest and greatest Nehalem-EP based Xeons, and IPMI for advanced diagnostics and control capability. After working with these boards for years I have no reason to even considered a Mac Pro.
I do own several Macs - a mac mini, a G4, and two G3 systems. I also have turned one of my desktops into a Hackintosh and will be doing the same to my notebook. I don't have much of a problem with OS X - my problem with your product is the hardware and how you dumb it down, and limit expansion capabilities. You saved Apple and we're all grateful for it. Now please retire. Apple doesn't need you any more.
So Steve Jobs glides up in his gleaming white Gulfstream V jet and says, "Hey, I have a cool car that drives better than anything on the planet. We make sure you can drive on this excellent network of safe roads, and leave the potholed, poorly made old style ones behind. You know, I'm sorry, but not only did those maintenance guys do a lousy job, they had no taste."
Theres already a series of vehicles like that. Its called public transportation. Theres the "Bus series", the "Subway series", and the "Train series".
Similarly in the home PC market, theres the "Mozilla Firefox" browser for off-road internet surfing. Theres the "Linux" OS for ultra-efficient, hot-rod custom builders. Oh and theres the "Common Sense" option that comes standard with human intelligence where you DON'T RUN SUSPICIOUS EXECUTABLES.
Macs don't solve human stupidity or lazyness. The more people adopt Macs, the more you'll start hearing stories about Joe Average or Grandma Simple somehow managing to destroy their Macs.
Seriously? This is easily one of the stupidest fucking discussions I have ever seen on this site. Every dumb ass analogy there is has been used. Every unnecessary soap box has been stood on.
Hate the closed nature of the iPad and iPhone? Don't buy them. Do those devices simply not meet you business needs? Don't buy them. Think you know more about marketing a device than Apple? You're fucking deluded.
Is Apple somehow preventing you from buying and using other devices and services? No.
So what the fuck is the big deal?
I own a Mac. I love it. All the best computers I have ever owned have been made by Apple. They meet MY needs and have done so better than any other computer. Will you have the same results? Honestly, I don't give a shit. I have an Android phone. I love it. It has a physical keyboard, I don't need iTunes to use it, the ssh client was free, it's an AT&T exclusive and I can currently run Pandora in the background. See what I did there? Apple's product in that space didn't do what I wanted it to so, instead of freaking out about it and crying about Apple's "stupid" policies, I bought something else. Until that choice no longer exists, the rest of this talk about closed versus open systems and censorship and walled gardens is utterly pointless.
Skeletor says use a Mac, because Apple must have the same market power as all PC OEM's plus Microsoft combined into one super monopoly. If you thought Microsoft was bad, hippies,... you ain't seen nothing yet.
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some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away
I sincerely wish "traditional" (it does seem to have a pejorative meaning, screw you very much) PC world slipping away, just to see Apple employees develop the next OS and their next apps on iPads with touch access only, with crappy processing power, low memory, low resolution, no keyboards, no multiple monitors, and so on.
This "distortion field" is just that what the name suggests, and Jobs is tring to justify their joices by PR and "visionary" (they wish) enlightenment. It's all the same as the good old create-a -problem-for-my-solution issue, it's just getting out of hands this time.
They should just concentrate to create products that people actually want, not create some shiny toys and then spend time and money in convincing people that a). they actually need it, b). there's no other way to do things better.
This whole thing is good entertainment, but in time, too much of anything can reach the enough point. I wish they did already.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
-1000 for misspelling Foundation.
You can't handle the truth.
I am no apple user (no iToys of any kind) but this is just silly.
Talking about Freedoms with a corporation about a product they roll out as if those are real Freedoms.
Carlin was right: It is all an illusion, an elaborate illusion of Freedom. You have no Freedoms. You have a Freedom to chose between Government parties, both of which will fuck you, the difference is that one will be Fucking you and enjoying it, the other will be Fucking you and probably bitching about how they really Love you.
Freedom of choice is not about gadgets, it's not about the latest iFad bullshit. It is really about your economic and political Freedoms and in a world with real Freedoms you'll find a stupid PAD that you personally like from some company who will inevitably produce one.
'Consumption Based Economy' - what a load of croak. Any retarded pissing himself idiot can consume. Production is the only way to generate wealth and the money is not wealth but only a medium of exchange. Wealth is in production. Consumption always comes as a response to production.
What an amazing world we live in. People used to die for Freedom - as in dying for Freedom not to be fucked over by someone's idea of how to run their lives and today we are talking about a stupid fake computer with limited capabilities as if a company locking out applications on it is the most serious violation of Freedoms. I guess we have figured out all of the other Non-Freedoms, like the Governments printing money and taking away the value of it from everyone, like the Corporations buying the Governments and destroying competition and becoming gigantic Monopolies that run everything. Where is your iFreedom, is it in the Apple store? Don't they have an app for that?
You can't handle the truth.
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'pc world slipping away' .... is that why the innards of any mac is a pc ?
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I agree they're not stopping anyone from doing anything in Mobile Safari, but at that point you have to ask why they're stopping sideloading of apps. There is nothing stopping XCode from provisioning for non app store free distribution (like it already does for beta testing purposes), and iPhone OS being UNIX can already securely sandbox things.
What makes you think sandboxing is enough? Sandboxing only prevents the app from getting out of the sandbox. Apple wants to make sure users have minimal exposure to any kind of malicious app, and there are tons of those that can be built inside the sandbox. (Very easy to make an app which fakes UI to steal passwords for example.) That means they have to set themselves up to be the app police. That's infinitely easier if they're the only app store and the only gatekeeper. (Besides, Apple wouldn't trust someone else to be a second gatekeeper.)
Of course they fall far short of being perfect app police, and that's a problem they have to keep working to solve. They're doing an okay job so far, but only okay, with occasional lapses (the notable ones usually being failures of excessive zeal where apps are banned for bad or inconsistent reasons).
It's kind of a weird distinction to make. "We won't let the user load their own porn apps on for the childrens! But the childrens are welcome to use Safari to find porn!" If you're freely allowing content via one medium, why are you blocking it in another?
Because they (1) want to completely control app distribution for the platform, in order that they might (1a) enhance the user experience and (1b) make a cut off every app or ad sold and (2) don't want to be in the porn distribution business themselves.
And he _is_ better than most people. Admit it.
Most people are stupid. Go out to a mall and look around you: stupids everywhere.
Open Facebook. Dumb people everywhere.
Read (world) news. More narrow minded stupid people than you can shake a stick at.
You don't have to worship anyone, only objectively admit talent when you see it.
Besides not really being the brains behind any of Apple's success (frankly, I'd credit Woz and others), he has clearly failed to learn from past mistakes.
The original Mac was YEARS ahead of any PC at the time. Literally, vastly superior. But by pricing them too high, and locking in control over the OS and over the ability of devs to write for it, the PC inevitably surpassed it in sales almost over night.
Fast forward a decade, and the same battle is happening again in the smart phone market. Besides being locked to AT&T, arguably the WORST cell provider in the nation, his hardware is over priced, and again, he's stuck with this outdated idea that vendor lock in is somehow going to guarantee Apple's success. There is literally no chance of that, and in fact, iPhone et al are doomed to failure absolutely by not providing a free and open platform for other vendors to write apps for. Android is clearly going to continue to dominate sales, and inevitably win the over all battle, just like Windows did last time.
Why does anybody even listen to Steve any more? Just because he's first to market? It's not like 8,000 other monkeys didn't have the idea for the iPhone before he did. He just got it to market first. BIG DEAL.
Steve is clearly too arrogant to grasp even the mildest of fundamental truths about human nature, particularly as it relates to sales and market share. Even the Mac Fanboys are getting sick of his blatant stupidity and selfish draconian lock in attempts, that will of course only serve to ensure that Apple fails, long term.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
"'The times they are a changin',' quipped Jobs" What a very old-man thing to say. Want some Werthers Originals Steve?
What are the alternatives for "in the future"?
Today? In the past?
Doesn't "could replace" pretty much imply some possibility in the future?
Your reply was redundant.
A grown man staying up that late on the weekend saying ridiculous things like the PC's world is slipping away .... is just pathetic.
Maybe we should sell this Apple stock before is crashes. If Apple really thinks no one will take over their extremely overpriced iPods and iPads - they are wrong with a capital W.
Steve Jobs is slipping further from reality every day.
But the Mac OS is just as open as Windows. And Windows Phone 7 is just as closed as the iPhone. So, where's the difference?
read his comment carefully.
But if we start allowing companies to believe that they can continue to tell us what they can do their products we bought from them, well where does it end?
win 7 phone is aping iphone because m$ has learned from iphone. this is exactly what he is saying. in time every phone will become like this and every computer too.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
I tolerate Apple banishing flash. I love it, because I had to use flash on a non-windows environment. It sucks. On a C2D2 mac laptop, it consumes about 80-90% CPU on some (if not most) non video flash apps. It makes the battery die faster. It makes the whole laptop run very hot. I don't want developers to feel comfortable developing for the lowest denominator (flash) that has demonstrated that sucks.
have you seen flash on nexus one? search on youtube. then realize that your rant about flash being shit on non-windows is pure bs.
for the macbook getting too hot, some guys tested the i7 mac laptop. they benchmarked the cpu and during the benchmark the laptop reached 100C. not kidding. what this says to me is that mac laptops are poorly designed pieces of shit that are put together only to look good on the outside. not to utilize the hardware for which you paid 2x the money.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
Funny, my iPod, iPhone, iPad, iMac...no LED's screaming at me, unless you count the LED backlit screens on some Apple products?
Funny, before I switched to a Mac, I would black out any activity indicator LED lights on my computers. ESPECIALLY on my NEC laptop, that thing drove me nuts with its constant amber and green lights...and the BLINKING! ARRRRGH!
LED lights are incredibly tacky, look at many of the off-the-shelf PC laptops that cover every millimetre of plastic with flashing lights. Even Macs that have LED lights have ONE, to represent the device being on (Macs are generally fairly quiet, you might not realise otherwise) and its WHITE. I always thought that was rather classy.
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I personally don't see how my PC world would be falling apart.
I have not, and will not ever buy an Apple product. big deal, the Mac OS is a bit more secure than Windows, But I don't see the justification in spending $1500+ for an apple, when i can spend 400 and newegg and build a PC thats more powerful than that $1500 mac, AND, i can run any OS i want without problem...
so, the Ipad/Ipod? Nah, there are other, less expensive alternatives to the ipad/Ipod, and they run flash... and battery lasts longer.
Same goes for the iphone, Id rather use a Droid anyway.
So, I don't see my PC world falling apart, I am just as disappointed in Apple as i am in Microsoft, But at least on a sub $500 computer, I can run any Linux distro i want
If sex was good, he'd let adult on iStore and have a parental lock on the OS to run them.
It's called HP iPrint. Works fine printing stuff from an iPod Touch to the little Deskjet D1470 hooked up on my iMac at home, so don't think the iPad will have much trouble...
Yes they are computers. Just 'cos Jobs says not doesn't mean they're not. What is it? When the iPhone came out, it was going to be a replacement for all those palmtop COMPUTERS. The iPad was going to replace all those light netbook COMPUTERS and steal their lunch.
But now, because this is the only way to sell a limited device, owned by the corporation you bought it from, it's not a computer AND YOU BUY IT.
If they aren't computers, then they aren't going to replace netbooks or palmtops.
Apple is steeped in the desktop "PC" world. While their mobile devices support some OTA operations, sooner or later, you must hook them up to a desktop for maintenance and synchronization. And when it comes to the cloud, Apple is trying to make it inconvenient to connect to services other than their own. Yes, Mr. Jobs, the PC world is ending, but you don't seem to understand yet what is replacing it.
he's right that personal computers are going away. every mac/iphone/pad you buy is not your personal computer. it is apple's/stevie's computer.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
So Macs don't crash??? When and what model Mac has never crashed. I'll get my mate who has always bought Apple to buy one, 'cos his Mac crashes about as often as my PC does.
Frankly, I can see where he's coming from on that, because the last thing a company of Apple's size needs is a pretext for puritans and politicians to bash them over.
The solution is parental controls, locked down by default. Otherwise, by your reasoning, Apple has to adopt to the least-tolerant segment of the market.
Apple's not going to host porn apps on the App store, and that's a good business decision.
But what is good for Apple isn't necessarily good for the world. Microsoft's decision to get all monopolistic on Netscape was a good business decision (Netscape is dead and Microsoft got off with a slap on the wrist). Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is a good business strategy (works great), but it's not good for the consumers.
If we're going to discuss this in terms of "what is good for Apple", and ignore the effect that has on the rest of us, then we have really entered the most cynical and immoral of ways of doing business.
(And before you try, don't give me that old line about responsibility to maximize profits - there is no such thing. If a company wants to have a moral compass, they can.)
Buy a $50 wireless print server and connect all your parallel port/usb/etc things up and off you go, several also have an Ethernet port so suddenly all the printers are network enabled. This isn't exactly a new or rare item. As far as flash goes I haven't missed it on my iPhone one bit. But then I don't play games online, so I could see that being a problem if you did. Don't really need apps, assuming it has a halfway competent web browser. Most everything I'm using for work is through the web now (actually everything is, email, accessing data, submitting data, etc.), about the only non web app I use anymore is Skype. Storage smorage, my desktop only has a local copy of iTunes, everything else is on a file server (more reliable, easier to backup, and I can access it from multiple devices/locations). Home servers are like $200 now. I don't want my data locally, that's the LAST thing I want. I want access to my data, which through the magic of ubiquitous Internet (WiFi/3g/etc.) I now have everywhere.
Intrigueing. It had been predicted to 99.999% that it would be approved. Guess the prime matrix needs more work
Divide a cake by zero. Is it still a cake?
what's with the "so don't buy one"? Do you look at the terrible things being done in China and go "so don't live there, then" when someone wants pressure put on China to be fairer? Did you say "don't live there" when Iraq was gassing Kurds and propose we don't invade there "to bring freedom to the middle east"?
Do you say "so don't live there" when there's rumours of gangland violence in the inner cities increasing, as opposed to paying for law and order?
Steve Jobs is a smug, prick, coward. Rather than argue based on the merits of your idea, or defend your ideas based on the fallacies or demerits of your opponent, he just tries to discredit the person. And what a smug way to do it: "What have you done that's so great?". Anyone who regresses into that has lost the argument. You see, it really doesn't matter what the hell someone else has done when you're defending your ideas Steve. And that makes you a intellectual coward. The turtleneck isn't doing anything to dispel the rumor that you're a smug prick either.
It is not "PC folks" it is "Windows folks", Jobs own Macintosh is now just a PC so it can't be "PC folks".
People do use PC Windows which is quite wrong now.
Steve said: "And you might care more about porn when you have kids" My kids are the greatest thing in my life. I wake up every day and praise the Universe for blessing me with such wonderful children. And I wouldn't have them without porn.
What a complete asshole who thinks he's so much better than everyone else.
Of course, the reason that behavior's reached such extreme levels is that it's compensation for his internal belief that he's not as good as everyone else.
While I find the asshole behavior very unpleasant, more than anything I just feel sympathy for him. That the poor bastard (and those driven like him) would have spent his entire life so insecure, trying each day to prove his value, and even with billions of dollars and millions of people telling him he's great it's still not enough.
Of course, it can never be enough, because the hole he's trying to fill with external things is a hole on the inside. The same is true of us all.
He's very likely near the end of his life. Say a prayer for him that before he dies he just can accept himself and feel loved.
You have to be an idiot to not get that "freedom from porn" means when you don't want it.
The HTML5 Web is right there on all Apple devices and they all play video. You can get all the porn you want if you want it. Everyone knows this.
App Store is supposed to be an alternative to the Web. It's supposed to be different. It's supposed to be managed because the Web is unmanaged. One is ying, one yang.
I'm really tired of the totalitarianism of "open technology." The fact that App Store is managed opens it up in a different way: it's open to consumers, businesses, technophobes.
The stupidest part is you have people who are knocking Apple praising Google for Chrome OS being open, even though the C API on Chrome OS is Google-only, totally closed, and all of Apple's systems have HTML5. So if you get an iPad and ignore App Store, you still can run all the HTML5 apps that run on Chrome OS.
The thing is, the PC industry is full of failure. Monopolies (Microsoft, Adobe), viruses, technical bottlenecks (e.g. BIOS, XP, IE) and a complete lack of design and ease of use. Anything that's done differently in mobile is welcome. Try anything other than just porting the fucking PC to a phone. I don't see how anybody has a right to criticize App Store when nobody has come close to competing with it.
Basically: prove Apple wrong or STFU. That goes for App Store, and for the completely vaporware FlashPlayer for Mobiles. Make a phone app platform so good that Apple copies your "openness" and make FlashPlayer for Mobiles so good that Apple pleads to have it on their devices or just STFU. The whining from the PC industry is incredible.
The biggest problem has always been user attitude and actions, something which is often WORSE on Mac than it is elsewhere due to the prevalent belief that "Macs can't get virus/malware!".
For around five years now the Mac has been free of viruses and malware. So who has been more wrong, the person who rightfully believes the platform is free of malware or the person who thinks if something may someday have malware it is eqivilent to having it?
When users stop running as admin and stop clicking pretty screensaver ads then we'll have made some real progress
Congratlulations, you just "got" the iPad. When a platform that has already enjoyed years if actual freedom from viruses and malware makes it nearly impossible for non-technical users to run as admin, does at least an overview of apps for sale while sandboxing them from the system and each other - well that system is going to be more secure, and indeed as you said real progress has been made.
I think the other things Jobs described as freedoms are something else. But freedom from Viruses and Malware is in fact a freedom, which I know now from many years of enjoying it. That's the thing about frreedom, you know it when you have it, whatever form it takes.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The trouble is, when you put them all together, and embody them in an agressive, bullying corporate policy, they morph into something very ugly.
In these modern, politically correct times it seems like people intertwine the concepts of agression and bullying. But this is a mistake, agression is a valuable tool and has value in executing a plan. Without vision and agression there is no progress, because passion is a form of agression and you need passion to see and idea to completion.
Jobs has a very clear vision, and people who disagree with that vision like to paint eveything Apple does in a negative light, one way is to recast agression as bullying. I think as long as we have other choices in the market a company should be free to try an approach they believe in, regardless of how the direction offends the technical cabal.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
by the Apple CEO's reality distortion field, but did come away impressed by Jobs' willingness to spar one-on-one over his beliefs. At 2:00 in the morning on a weekend
And with a nobody too!
Why is everyone making such a big deal about a supersized ipod touch?
Tates chirpy ( tweety ?) byteboyz arrogance got shoved up his gold-plate *zzwhole. Feckin-A punk got rights ... ha hahahaha.....
While you're at it, test how porn proof it is. Hand it over to anyone that happens to be around and ask him/her to find any sexual explicit content.
Mac rant : - Score 5: inssightful
Freedom rant - Score 5 insightful
Jobs rant - Score 5 interesting
Porn rant - Score 5 insightful, no make that interesesting
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What confuses me is how the "i" devices are replacing PCs when they require a PC to even function 100%. To activate your iPhone requires a PC running iTunes. To backup and effectively upgrade any of the same devices again require a PC to do so. Note: Generally the term 'PC' is used to describe any personal computer regardless of OS. Except in this case I am limiting that scope to one that can effectively run iTunes.
If it is Steve really replying then you know he is going to be passionate. To him it is the best thing he has accomplished in his life, and soon will die and if he doesn't put all the pieces in place Apple will faulter once again. At least that is in the back of his mind not to say actual future of the company.
To me a lot of technology we use nowadays (including those devices) are neat, but I feel are little belated. I think we are at least 20 years behind what can be possible. After all we only have a small percentage of minds in the world working to solve any problems, and most of them have to climb over obvious patents granted by 3rd grade patent examining Federals.
My grandfather always told me that if I wasn't going to do anything about something I had no room to bitch about it. I guess it is time to come out of retirement, and roll up the old sleeves.
I could do fine without Apple's influence on UI design (mostly raising the bar on how much eye candy is "acceptable.") It's certainly not worth the extremely negative influence they've had on software freedom on mobile devices (WebOS, Windows Phone 7, Android to some extent).
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Create a company. .... ....
Put together some MIT licensed software and create yet another OS.
Designed computers after 70's Braun industrial design.
Made it work well.
Got people to buy his products due to great marketing.
Decided not to want Flash.
Decided it could only be programmed with their own API's.
Made money.
So what's so revolutionary about making a sleek tablet pc? Nothing.
I like that he wants to kill Flash, but that's about it. So in the meantime I can browse the web freely with my Linux netbook and desktop and not have to worry about an electronics company.
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I wonder if Jobs is thinking of his Macbook line. The x86 nature of the hardware belies his assertions... Of course personal computing is going to change over time, just like his laptops went form powerPC custom CPUs to wintel x86. Regardless though, 'PC' is a term that is likely going to stay in popular usage for some time now. (Did not RTFA)
Tate says that intermediate APIs are a good thing and that forcing people to re-implement natively is bad
Jobs responds "The magazine apps will be far better in the end because they are written native. We've seen this movie before."
Tate says Apple was using Objective C & an intermediate API for iTunes on Windows
Jobs responds "As for us, we're just doing what we can to try and make (and preserve) the user experience we can envision. You can disagree with us, but our motives are pure."
And _that_ is the disconnect. Apple can use what they perceive to be the best tools for any given platform. Even if they need intermediate APIs for that. No one can do that on iPod touch, iPhone & iPad. Their motives are, by definition, pure. Everyone else can go eat a shovel. /me is happy that he owns exactly zero Apple products. Linux may [have been|be] a bumpy ride sometimes, but I can choose freely.
Steve's smokin' a bit too much of that medical marijuana....
I guess this story was really about whether Steve Jobs is a controlling asshole or not (didn't we establish that in the other four hundred Apple stories this month?), but I'm more interested in the claims that the PC is dying. Personally, I don't see it. All these portable devices are very convenient, but the usability is horrible. Touchscreens are a joke if you're typing anything longer than a Twitter post (especially if you're a good typist), small screens are bad for viewing more than one document at once or even viewing lots of a single document (especially if you have poor eyesight), and audio quality is horrible unless you use good headphones (which keeps other people from hearing) or dock it with speakers (which removes the portability advantage). Maybe laptop-style docking bays would help with all this? Or maybe the pad computing thing is just a fad propped up by tech journalists who don't do any real work on computers outside of three-paragraph articles and Tweets.
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Having been on both sides of the design issue - as the responsible Engineer for design and field implementation of technology in industrial man-machine interface systems - and then later as the Nuclear Quality Assurance Auditor & Engineer - the most horrific failure of "management" is to allow an auditor to "design" ANYTHING.
ANYTHING is possible when you do not have to do it yourself, and;
NOTHING is possible when the only purpose of those with authority over time and money is to "kill the wounded".
Just because they are gaining market-share, they can lose it just as fast. When a new restaurant opens up, everyone goes to try it out. What can happen is that people realize that Apple is no different than every other technology company. Their stuff breaks, other products are incompatible, and getting stuff fixed can be expensive. People will realize after a while, that they cannot do everything they want to do and go back to what they had before. Trends are just trends.
Its not 1995 anymore, people. Whats the most vulnerable operating system with the most serious vulnerabilities that go unpatched the longest? OS X. Whats the most vulnerable browser? Safari.
Those fabulous apple computers are built on the same taiwanese assembly lines as everyone elses computers, and from the same parts from the same bins.
Windows 7 is safer and easier to use than OS X. And a good windows computer will cost you half as much, work just as fine out of the box, and "just work" as well as anything apple ever made.
Problem is that most apple advocates HAD (key operative word) an old windows machine and installed and removed 300 apps that wont even run on a mac, stuffed it full of a variety of 3rd party hardware (none of which will work on a mac), and then had issues which somehow became the fault of the windows machine.
Configure a windows 7 laptop and a macbook with the same set of applications and hardware and both will perform exactly the same, with the same level of usability, the same level of reliability, and no virus issues.
I have a house full of recent model desktop and laptops, all with windows 7. My 3 year old learned how to use his laptop to play games. My wife who knows nothing at all about computers uses hers. We do all sorts of media and high definition tv from a windows 7 desktop attached to our living room tv. Gee, it all just worked. Never caught a sniff of a virus. Nothing is disproportionally hard to do or complicated. 99% of the software was included or free.
Welcome to 2010. Everything is the frickin same except the mac folks pay twice as much for the smug belief that they're buying a superior product. What you just bought was a Caddilac Cimmaron. A Chevy with a Caddy badge on it for twice as much.
Oh, and the ipad is just a big ipod touch. Loses a few disadvantages due to the bigger screen, but loses the convenience and portability. You're better off with a netbook with a real keyboard and the ability to expand it and use the apps you want on it. Mostly free ones.
I swear to god, people would pay Steve Jobs $20 a pop for his soiled underpants.
Now that powerful CPUs are cheap, why won't anyone want to own multiple devices with different capabilities and for which one assumes different degree of control and responsibility? Is great to have a hacker box where I can run any app, replace kernel or customize CPU microcode. But when I go to my banks website, I want to be very sure that the device, the web browser or the site haven't been customized in any way. Arguing that either choice is unimportant, or that there is no place for a lock down platform where $1 apps are abundant because developers are assured that every user WILL pay the $1 is stupid. We do need to work on mobile and slim-form factor versions of the hacker box.
I like Apple's software, but I'm starting to dislike Apple's hardware. Before, I bought their hardware (especially laptops) even if it was to run Linux just because they had better overall features and a nice aesthetic (a sane keyboard layout and no special keys and lights everywhere). Their laptops are rugged, the case won't crack and the unit doesn't feel flimsy. They offer long battery life with their own software and usually other OSes don't perform too shabbily either.
Over time I started using OS X more and more, and I was able to carry over the software I used in Linux so I wasn't really missing anything, plus I found great native software I enjoyed as well (GarageBand, Kanji Go, iTunes, I was starting to take a shine to Xcode, and now Steam).
Now on newer models, you can't replace the batteries yourself, and I'm beginning to outgrow their hardware specifications as well and dislike being stuck with whatever they choose. Linux has broader hardware support so I don't have to count on the fact that Apple hardware will be targeted for development and well tested on distros. Apple almost had me but they're really losing me fast, and I'm sure I'm not the only one with this experience.
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IF that guy was really married, I want to see the look on his wife's face when she finds out he is a porn hound, and he told STEVE f*ing JOBS that she defends porn on a thread that will get a lot of eyeball-time.
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For computing I prefer Linux, and to a lesser extent, even MS. But I think Jobs has a point about freedom. Freedom can mean different things. We're accustomed to thinking of freedom in the grand terms of human rights, but that only applies in a vast, over-arching governmental or societal context. I think we have to get used to the idea that in a smaller context, the concept of freedom can sometimes be something more limited, petty or banal. Yes, freedom from porn is a petty, but not completely worthless, kind of freedom. No doubt it provides some value to a lot of his customers. As computers become relentlessly more and more powerful and pervasive, innovators will come up with more and more ways to provide these little freedoms that some of us roll our eyes at, but provide value to others.
Mr. Jobs may have lost control of his thinking when he assumed that traditional computer users were vanishing. I'll wager that there are more hard core computer freaks in this world than ever before.
As to whether porn is a bug or a blessing I suspect that Mr. Jobs may have some boredom in his life. Porn can be quite enlightening and liberating.
I dont own or use Apples products,so steve jobs had 0 control over me!
Jack of all trades,master of none
I used to work for Apple. I joined after Steve Jobs left the company and started Next, and I left before he came back to Apple. I left because I had completely lost faith in the senior management. Remember Michael Dell's comment that if he was Apple CEO he would shut down the company, sell the assets and distribute them to the shareholders? That was my view also.
When I left I had a bunch of Apple shares - some from stock grants, some from the employee purchase plan. The shares were worth a few dollars each, so I didn't bother to sell them - I didn't need the money that much. That was my good fortune.
Now look at the price. So far, the shares have paid for my daughter's education and paid off my mortgage. And I still have enough to fund a good few years of my eventual retirement.
Keep going, Steve. Ignore the detractors - what have they done? Have they taken a failing company and made it into a technology and marketing powerhouse? Have they taken a share valued at $5 and increased its value year after year? There have been 2 splits on the way, so each $5 share is now four shares, each one worth around $250.
Whatever about the content of this exchange, I'm more interested in the apparent recent increase in the frequency of sometimes bizarre Jobsian missives to the masses. Remember, this is a guy who used to be *extreme* about protecting his image and privacy and speaking only through hand-picked media acolytes. Now, apparently, we have an insomniac Mr Jobs willing to engage in back and forth with any arsehole with a keyboard.
As a liver transplant survivor, Mr Jobs would most probably have been placed on a very high dose of glucocorticoids (among other medications, including calcineurin inhibitors, azathioprine or mycophenolate mofetil, and rapamycin or one of its close analogs). Hopefully his physicians have managed to taper the steroids dose down significantly, possibly even to zero if there is no sign of an ongoing immune-mediated primary disorder. This is good, because high dose glucocorticoids "are associated with significant side effects, including hypertension, dyslipidemia, glucose intolerance, infection, bone abnormalities, peptic ulcers, and psychiatric disorders", and he already will be dealing with enough unfortunate side effects from all the other immunosuppressive medication. However, judging by his weird choice of correspondents and replies apparently emanating from an unfiltered Mr Jobs over the past few months, it does seem as if his apparently existing and famous personality type has been enhanced. Or perhaps a 'roid-induced euphoria is continually tempting him to express it directly to the public more commonly than previously.
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I mean, please. Apple CEO states that PC world is dying... Hmmm... How about this, PC user states that Apple IS THE NEW SONY, and will go the way of Sony with it's bullshit proprietary gadgets and locked down practices.
First, not all computers will become consoles. Thinking that a MacBook Pro will work like an iPad is ridiculous.
Second, if you want to draw a car analogy, it's like someone who rides a horse complaining about these newfangled cars. Horses can go off-road, while cars need roads, limiting your travel options. Horses can eat grass wherever you decide to stop, while cars need fuel, water, and tires carried along, limiting your range. Horses can auto-pilot, and you can even play a guitar, or shoot a bow and arrow while riding a horse. Try that with a car!
The iPad, iPod, iPhone are different computing devices that you interface with differently, including not only the GUI, but even the posture you adopt while using it. Get used to it. They're breaking the tyranny of the desktop computer (keyboard, landscape monitor, mouse/trackpad, sit upright with fingers poised on the keyboard) metaphor, and people will certainly put up with the limitations in order to gain those advantages.
When you want to be running gcc in one window, R in another, and Transmission in another, use your desktop. When you want to browse the web or do email or watch video or use a spreadsheet, other options are possible.
Maybe someday when you gather the courage to speak to a female, you'll find that not all women are puritanical virgins.
Think of how frustrating it would be to be incredibly rich and powerful, yet also incredibly horny and impotent due to poor health and too many transplant drugs.
Thanks for pushing your sexual frustration onto the rest of us, Steve.
And shame on you for using the "Think of the children" line. One of your kids is 30 years old (and illegitimate, you horn-dog). I'll bet the rest are in their teens. You better hope they are using porn.
I'm recently married, last night we had dinner with the inlaws. The inlaws had several friends over for a night of drinks, bullshitting, and general socializing under the spring time stars out back.
Most of these people couldn't make it to the wedding which was out of country ... so they wanted to see pictures ... or at least pretended they did.
First thought was grab the sister in laws' laptop. Okay, got it ... password protected ... call her up to get the password as she was out with friends and she says ... 'Just grab my iPad, its probably far easier since the photos are already on there'.
So my wife gets the sisters iPad ... you know what we did? Viewed the photos, watched some youtube videos of the shakeweight exercise device and its parodies (funny stuff) and a few people updated their facebook page while we passed it around and laughed our asses off.
It was, in fact, the most perfect device I've seen for what we used it for. No one had touched one before that moment, though my wife and I have iPhones. Of the other 6 people there, no one asked 'how does this work' or even took a second to figure it out, they just used it right from the start.
By the time we left, pretty much every one there thought 'we should get one of those, thats awesome for just doing basic stuff we do most of the time.
3 more iPads were purchased today, just because of that. Now I won't deny that everyone there has money to spare so its a bit biased towards gadgets, but I've never in my life seen normal people pick up a tech toy, play with it for a few hours and then run out and buy one as soon as they could. My wife and I won't buy one because its basically a larger iPhone sans phone so its not that useful to us over all, we just use our normal computers when the phones won't cut it.
The point to all this is, this style of device with this level of easy of use and 'just works', which by that I mean people 'just get how it works, instantly', its going to change the game for a lot of people.
Will it always be the leader of the pack? Who knows, but right now it most certainly is a very well liked and sought after appliance.
While slashdot may think the only type of 'computer' is a completely open, no cost for software, get anything you want type of device is the only way to go ... the rest of the world doesn't really care about any of those things.
Nope, most slashdotters that refuse to even look at it won't buy it, but no one gives a shit about that statistically irrelevant portion of the population. Not Jobs. Not Bill or Ballmer. Not Me. Not anyone who has more important things to do then rant about needing an open computer.
Is it perfect? Of course not, but it does appear to be GREAT for certain circumstances. Something better will come along and build off whats learned from the iPad, just like the iPad came along from what was learned from the iPhone, and the iPhone came along from lessons learned by other previous devices.
People can rant about Steve, Apple, and all things related, but only the truly ignorant will ignore what its doing for the world of computing appliances.
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The only reason why they have "disallowed" applications that were created with Flash CS5 is that makes it too easy to release the same application on other platforms (Android, especially).
There is no technical reason why an App created for the iPhone with Flash CS5 should behave in any way differently from a "native" App. If it doesn't behave according to how iPhone Apps should, then it should be declined on that basis, but it is unfair to disallow using Flash to write Apps.
This latest round of Flash-bashing is mostly due to the imminent release of Flash for EVERY OTHER SMARTPHONE PLATFORM. For all of the complaints Apple makes about Flash, OS-X wouldn't have been nearly as useful for web browsing without it. Apple would have sold far fewer Macbooks if they didn't "work" with Flash websites, including (but not limited to) porn. And this includes several Flash-based games and other interactive websites.
I have created an interactive dynamic-HTML cross-browser website long ago, and I can attest to the fact that it's incredibly difficult to do so. The browsers are moving targets (even from one OS to another). It becomes a maintenance nightmare to try to keep it working (more often than not, the application will rot until it becomes unusable). Flash solves that problem by creating a new "least common denominator" that works regardless of the hardware/software platform and browser (except for iPhone and iPad). HTML5 will not solve this problem - it only makes it worse. I have much better things to do with my time than try to keep dynamic websites working properly with each release of each browser on each platform.
The Android phones and tablets will do Flash, and they will be cheaper, too! So they will have a much more complete web browsing experience than the iPhones and iPads. As a developer, I would much rather make an interactive web-based Flash Application (that works on every computer and every smartphone except Apple's) than try to write native code for the iPhone, that is subject to Steve Job's whims as to whether or not it will ever see the light of day.
I see Apple losing more market share to Android due to their Flash intransigence. Most technical people that I know have an Android phone. Some also have iPhones, but I'm guessing that they won't be browsing on them much once Flash for the Android is released. I know that I would certainly rather browse on my phone with Flash than without. There are too many websites that have useful things in Flash.
Based upon the likely moves in the marketplace in the next few years, I predict that one of the "miraculous" features that gets added to the iPhone and the iPad (if they're still around) in iPhone OS 5, 6 or 7 is "native support for Flash." And for that, Steve Jobs will get a round of applause from the audience. Just like he got for "inventing" multitasking on smartphones.
Hopefully, some time before that happens, Steve will get religion, and "allow" Flash to be used to develop applications for the iPhone. If he doesn't do that, he won't get any applications from me, although the Android platform will.
In the meantime, I won't buy any Apple iPhone, iPad or iAnything product that doesn't support Flash in some way. And I won't recommend anyone else to do the same.
You should let them know that there are several Android devices that offer the same functionality as the iPad, but without the restrictions placed upon them by Apple.
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He's not saying he's above criticism or better than everyone else. What he's referring to is the tendency among successful people to appreciate and recognize the hard work it takes to achieve success at ANYTHING. This is why you do not have Nobel prize winners making public comments dissing everything Metallica has released since Justice. Successful people have overcome challenges, failed, and persisted. They may see other people misstep in their opinion, but they can empathize with their journey.
Basically, Steve Jobs is calling out this blogger person for being a loudmouth who has no sense of what leadership requires. No idea what thousand upon thousands of decisions Steve Jobs has made to accomplish what he's done. Steve's not saying the guy has no right to criticize. He's saying that his criticism might have more credibility if he had more credentials to his name other than 'internet critic'.
I'm with Jobs on all this shit. No PORN on the app store? BFD!!! I don't recall Nintendo, Sony, Sega, or Microsoft licensing titles for their consoles that included overt nudity, even though many releases were marked for mature users only. Even so, there was nothing preventing you from throwing a porno DVD into any of those consoles nor is there anything preventing an iPad user from ripping a porn DVD and loading it onto the device. What groundbreaking app is getting censored that was going to deliver porn content in any special way that can't be accessed via Safari?
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They're aware, and have reviewed other Android devices, but the Android devices in general don't meet their standards. There are other tradeoffs in hardware and software quality.
I'm not saying that Android in general doesn't work, but no one has produced a decent Android slate yet. Also, with the number of devices, you need excellent hardware support. One advantage with Apple is that they will train and allow employees to do on site repairs under warranty, have a good parts supply chain, and decent turnaround on repairs that have to go offsite.
Until a big company comes out with a 10" Android slate (Dell, HP, etc) we can't really trust that the repair support chain is going to be there.
There's the old political quip, that freedom of the press only applies to those who have presses.
Think of a Web server as analogous to a printing press. A cheap computer running FLOSS software, such as the LAMP stack, is within the reach of many individuals and small groups.
Furthermore, corporations that use the LAMP stack will finance development of it -- and since it's FLOSS, that works to the benefit of those individuals and small groups. FLOSS becomes an engine of social equalization.
That doesn't work out so well with Apple appliances.
He is better than you. Steve's Job place in human history for the eons to come is assured. How is yours going?
History repeats itself. Doesn't everybody know that?
Didn't Apple learn way back when that it's about the software, not about the hardware? What do you think made the first version of Windows so widely popular?
The only thing that's different today is Google is holding all the cards, but Apple is in the same exact spot. Android vs. iPhone OS.\
Steve Jobs: We're better than you are! We have better stuff.
Bill Gates: You don't get it, Steve. That doesn't matter!
Now, it will be:
Google: You don't get it, Steve. That doesn't matter!
The major statement was: The PC folks feel their world slipping away ! Thats the point, and the porn thing is absolutely no issue!
The thing why people get so mad about Apple is: this iPad IS a revolution... and revolution do what? They kill the ancient regime, the old elite.
The iPad revolution is not a tech revolution, it is society revolution, having far deeper impacts on society than we can imagine now. Jobs' revolution brings computing to people who never dared to do anything with that until now. I dont mean simple email or web browsing which today also nontech and older people can do. But the iPad brings PRODUCTIVITY use cases to those people! Yes right, productivity! Many just criticize this iPad as a sole media consumption thing, but its not! Apps can be anything, also for productivity and they will be! You can attach keyboard, you can create with fingers, sound, movement or whatever, better than before. The web browser and those strange web apps with no stringent usability were the real prison for those non tech users. Apple indeed brings freedom, freedom to 95% of the people to start really USING computers.
For instance my wife never used my ugly wintel tower desktops at all. With the macbook she started at least browsing the web and email. But still, more complicated web sites are by far too complex if you are not a tech guy. And real productivity: painting music and the like... no way on a desktop. I am 100% sure that the iPad will drive her to more creation like things.
Apple always put iPad in the MIDDLE between smartphones and mac. So how can one complain that Apple is jailing the user? Macs were never planned to disappear! They have been ADDED so WHY do so many people criticize Apple? Because Apple is equipping 90% of the users with the most adequate machine and ecosystem. This move will blow old elites away , those PC and computer nerds ... they SEE that a 90y old grandma is getting to her email faster than they do on their clunky PC and linux machines, that grandma composes more excellent emails on her ipad than they do with their outlook, that grandma has streamlined apps for the most crazy use cases while the PC nerds always have to stress the web browser and have the same HTML interface regardless what the task may be.
I love Apple for their CLOSED iPhones and iPads! What does jailbreaking mean? It means that App developers have to put enormous efforts into securing their apps against those criminals who steal and patch their apps. It means that users loose their security when using apps because their data is not secure anymore. All that FREEDOM which is demanded is just the freedom to steal, to attack people with malware. I hope that with iPhone 4G Apple will also close that door. This will bring more freedom to app developers and users. It just cuts freedom for some criminals and this is what its all about.
LOL mods... *sigh*
I guess I got modded a 'troll' in the above post because I said all UI's were equally shitty just shitty in different ways and concluded that the user should use the tool that works best for them.
Seems someone with a rabid anti-Apple sentiment got some mod points today and didn't actually bother to actually read what I actually said in my actual comment!
That or opinions that are rationally laid out to express the point of view of the writer are now considered 'troll' posts here on Slashdot. You'd think I said something particularly inflammatory heh!
Ah well... I got plenty of Karma to spare!
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Yeh, that would be good for him, but that is unlikely.
Steve's referring to the current, pixellated version of flash porn, not the high quality, h.264 version that can be enjoyed on a bright high-quality IPS display for hours on end. At least it might fix the contrast issues a lot of those webcams have.
But what is good for Apple isn't necessarily good for the world.
So, want to tell me how the world is improved if Apple abandons quality control? Knock yourself out.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
To quote Mr. Jobs, "Real artists ship". $99 for a smartphone? It's expensive? You know of a cheaper one, equally capable? To paraphrase, bullshit artists bullshit, real artists ship..
People listen to Steve because he delivers the goods.
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A: put in your OSX disk.... and reset the password that way.
B: boot into single user mode (command S on a real mac, -s for a hackintosh), then read the on-screen instructions on how to mount your drive. (Seriously, wait for the prompt, look up about an inch, and it tells you how to mount the drive...) then, rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone
then reboot. removing that file, makes the machine start up into the setup video on its next boot..... so you'll get the intro video, and it will have you setup another admin account. Then you can use that admin account to go change the password of any other account you want.
For people who think they're some kind of unix god that knows everything, you could also boot single user mode, set a password for root, reboot, and log in as root. (Although, frankly, I prefer my machines to not have root enabled, but thats my preference....)
Furthermore, there are lots of people that know the inner workings of OSX pretty damn well. Just look at a lot of the people that were running linux in the 90's. Most of them that I know, are running OSX now.
I've been watching this iPod iPad iCrap2 argument heat up to a shrill pitch for years now.
The most amazing thing is watching the market vote with it's wallet.
And watching the majority of the /. hurd get ever more shrill on why apple sucks.
I for one do not have any faith that TFA is even true. It seems more likely to me that the author
fabricated the whole thing over a few malt beverages and some weed.
For the few of you that have a more balanced view of the developments... my hats off to you.
The rest of ya remind me of the comicbook guy on the Simpsons...
Ya need to get of the basement once in a while and get a tan...
Already after the first reply from Steve I was confirmed in my thinking that Jobs is an absolute and total twat. What, that he decides for me that I can not watch porn constitutes freedom for him? I am so fortunate that my PC world is not slipping away from me. I am so relieved that I actually have a choice what to install on my PC and what I can watch and what not. And then He talks about freedom? It is the freedom the likes of Kim Yong Il and Mao fight for. That's no freedom, that's oppression.
And really, explain to me (having no kids) what the thing is about porn and kids. When I was really young, porn didn't interest me, but I did play doctor with some of my (girl) friends when I was 8. And by the time I was 14 I was going out of my way to look at the nudiemagazines. So, that's bad? Why?
But what is good for Apple isn't necessarily good for the world.
So, want to tell me how the world is improved if Apple abandons quality control? Knock yourself out.
First, Apple can do as much quality control as they want - of their own stuff. When it comes to quality control of what I and others bring to market, it should really not be up to Apple.
Second, the improvement to the world comes in the same way as the world is improved by free markets.
Choose 1:
a) Unsafe on [the information] superhighway.
b) Vanilla
c) Turn-by-turn GPS
d) Autopilot
e) Chauffeured limo
1. Could be just a Tiger thing, but TAB doesn't cycle through OK and Cancel on native pop-up modal menus.
2. Minimizing kills ALT-TAB's Window focus; you get the empty Application Bar of Shame (tm) while the application window you actually care about cowers below, requiring (yet another) mouse click to restore.
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The car analogies are getting long in the tooth. What part of "impossible to get viruses on the iPad" do people fail to understand? iPads don't have buffer overruns or anything that plagues normal computing as we know it.
Walled gardens are going to be the future of computing. Deal with it. Just like BASIC an turbo switches do not come with computers anymore, apps and user items will have to be checked off by a trusted party. This is the only way to stop the rampant spread of malware, identity theft, and business compromise that the computing world as a whole deals with for the long haul.
Antivirus programs have failed us. User/root right separation has failed us. Apple's security model on the iPhone and iPad has been working since 2007 without one single malware infection on a single device worldwide. The only time this model fails is when people deliberately defeat Apple's protection and put AT&T's communications infrastructure at risk by jailbreaking.
I'm sure everyone's going to ridicule Steve's statement of caring more about porn when you have kids. It's a weak argument as anyone can of course view porn in the browser, but Apple has an image to maintain and being selective of what they sell in their store is a part of that. Most would say that children viewing porn isn't a big deal, and they're going to see it anyways. The latter is probably true, but I wonder how many people would act in a manner consistent with their nonchalant assertion that it's not that big of a deal. If you're ok with your kids seeing others having sex, why not just invite them to watch you and your wife having sex? It's no big deal, right?
Seriously, there is one fantastic quote here from Steve Jobs that he replied to someone who *dared* to criticize him:
what have you done that's so great? Do you create anything, or just criticize others work and belittle their motivations?
What a complete asshole who thinks he's so much better than everyone else.
Now you KNOW ... ... why Sculley FIRED him.
Android version of this new iPad concept comes out (like the one between Verizon and Google).. and BOOM Apple loses major marketshare all over again. Nothing new here, move along.
If BSD is so great, why didn't /it/ take the market by storm?
The painful truth is that BSD can't give away for free what Apple can charge hundreds of dollars for to the lines outside their stores.
OS X >> BSD.
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Steve's like, so wrong. The ipad... *it is* revolutionary, but i don't think it will ever beat microsoft, ever.
Surely you mean it is the 10th anniversary of next year being the year of Linux on the desktop.
Ryan talks about freedom and he allows censorships on all comments in his blog. Besides that, stop spamming people at 2am, come on!
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While Apple does come up with some pretty spiffy innovations (some more practical than others), the reason why they have continued success relies largely on their advertising strategy. While watching a show the other night on NBC, there were at least 10 different Apple ads for the iPad and iPhone in an hour's time. In that same period of time, there was one commercial for Windows 7. (I personally find those "I made Windows 7" ads pretty damn annoying. Besides traditional ads, Apple uses product placement very well. One example is a recent episode of Modern Family, which revolved around the wife getting her husband a new iPad for his birthday.
Thats revolutionary, the "making" of a sleek tabled PC. No one could make it that happen before, I mean, in a successful way.
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Your platform comparisons have a fundamental flaw: Windows is not the iPhone (or iPad), and Microsoft is not Apple. By this I mean that Windows is an operating system and Microsoft is a company making this operating system, while the iPhone is an integrated device, which includes an operating system, but it also includes the hardware, applications, a PC sync'ing mechanism, and an App Store--it is all of these--and Apple is a company providing this entire set up.
Can you see the difference between a company that provides an operating system which can be installed in many sort of computers, designed, built and sold independently by other manufacturers; and a company that provides a fully integrated software/hardware ecosystem? It's like comparing Goodyear to Ford: one makes a component of a motor vehicle, the other makes the vehicle itself.
Microsoft was accused of having a monopoly in the Personal Computer Operating Systems market. This is a very broad market definition, it's like saying Goodyear has a monopoly in Automobile Tires (not that they do), and implies that they are the sole provider for all cars, and thus exerting influence on the independent manufacturers themselves.
Apple on the other hand does not have a monopoly in the Mobile Device Operating Systems market, not by any stretch of the imagination. The iPhone has a small-ish market share within the Mobile Device market. Of this, I grant you, Apple has a monopoly in the Apple Mobile Device market, but this is their own market share, and it is a rather narrow category. It's like saying Ford has a monopoly on selling Ford motor vehicles--and that, say, Toyota cannot sell Ford automobiles.
If you take these differences into consideration, you'll notice that your argument cannot stand any more.
>> Would it be okay for MS to warn you that your are about to install virus?
It is their operating system, so I do not see a problem with this.
>> Wouldn't it be nice if MS stopped you from loosing data by refusing to allow you to export your documents to other formats?
Microsoft does, indeed, this very thing, and such is their right as software manufacturers. But lets be clear, they do this within their own software. For instance, MS Word will not allow me to export to Open Office format, nor does it support iWork's Pages. They do not, however, prevent the rest of my computer, i.e. those parts not controlled by their software within my machine, from doing so. When I purchase Microsoft's software I consent to this limitation.
>> If MS tried to control your PC in the same way, would you tolerate it? Would you take it from Dell?
I agree that if MS tried to control the PC--which is not owned or devised by them--as they have tried in the past, this would be wrong. But that is because, as explained above, they only supply a component of the entire PC system, which is independently produced.
Regarding Dell, I suppose they could start doing that, since they are designing and building the machine itself. It is their right. However, I suspect that, like you implied, many people wouldn't like it, and so they would purchase from a different manufacturer. Likewise it is with the iPhone: those who do not like the control Apple is exerting, are free to not purchase one, and go to a competitor, of which there are many. Such is the advantage of an open market and competition.
>> [N]obody has to have an iPad, iPhone, iPod or Mac. No really, you do not. So their control is "harmless". For now.
True. If Apple, by deception, artifice, or anti-competitive behaviour attempts to destroy the competition (as Microsoft was accused of doing once) and it becomes the only purveyor of Mobile Devices, and attempts to manipulate prices artificially to its advantage, then yes they are an anti-competitive monopoly and should be stopped or punished by the appropriate authorities.
On the other hand, if Apple provi
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