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Wikileaks Founder Arrested In London
CuteSteveJobs writes "The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has been arrested by London police on behalf of Swedish authorities on allegation of rape. Assange has admitted that he is exhausted by the ongoing battle against authorities. The Swiss Government has confiscated $37K in his Swiss Bank account. PayPal and Mastercard have frozen Wikileak's accounts, hampering Wikileaks from raising any more funds."
...just two starstruck women sympathetic to WikiLeaks' cause — one of whom was a longtime activist and even a part of an organization that arranged one of his talks, and thus obviously not a CIA "sparrow".
All the sordid details here. It's a must-read for people who think US intelligence agencies are somehow behind this.
Would this have been able to happen without Sweden's strange "rape" laws? No, probably not. Would the case have received as much attention from authorities if it was an ordinary person? Again, perhaps not, but that's the price of fame and notoriety: famous and well-known people often get different treatment — and what treatment they do get garners massive news coverage.
Here's a just published Register article that discusses the strong criticism of Wikileaks by John Young of Cryptome:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/07/cryptome_on_wikileaks/
...and hope that his site will continue to 'spill the beans.'
Will Assange's people put the money where his mouth is and release the key to the insurance file?
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"... you're nicked slaaag!" A more senior police officer added. "We'll stitch you up like a kipper!" While the Met Commander finished with "You're goin' down, you grass!"
If he's the Walrus then can I be a penguin please?
Are we expected to believe that based on a non-violent rape allegation (which was dropped, brought up, dropped) - in which he was not even taken into custody - that Britian is arresting a Swedish national to extradict?
I wonder if he'll magically disappear off the grid and end up in one of the US's inhumane 'prisons'.
He isn't accused of rape, reminder available here.
He also voluntarily turned himself in at a police station.
If you're in London and can make it out NOW, please consider protesting.
Had submitter even bothered to read articles he has linked to? Government has not 'confiscated' Assange's money. Bank closed his account, but Julian is free to pick up his money and make deposit in another bank.
Time to decode that insurance file.
And, with what I assure you is no humor, I hope on behalf of all honest human beings, lovers of justice, haters of sniveling cowards, and believers in justice and truth whatever brand it carries, that what is in that file hurts the fuck out of the liars and thieves that stand in places of power.
Don't let Julian Assange be the last real man on earth.
wonder if this means he plans on leveraging his 'Insurance' File to get out of this mess.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/05/wikileaks-ready-release-massive-insurance-file-shut/
Assange has admitted that he exhausted by the ongoing battle against authorities.
Is it too much to ask for a little proof reading? Oh..wait..Slashdot. Nevermind!
Since when do Swiss banks or government care about where the money comes from?
Hypocrite assholes.
If we could devote even one tenth the resources that were allocated to finding just this one guy and put it towards finding all the serial rapists and child molesters who are at large, imagine how many real threats to society could be taken off the streets!
"he is certainly a man of strong sexual appetites"
I think the key to the above is "man" no?
Lets not forget (in the future) that searching for "Wikileaks" on Google takes you to 213.251.145.96 Google is US company, just like eBay/PayPal or Amazon. So, no excuse any more for those "low-abiding" dickheads.
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(Captain Obvious: That is a sign of them trying to find a reason to nail the man.)
More a sign that some very, very powerful people would like them to kindly reconsider their decision.
Gosh, it just repeats itself 1:1. Josef Stalin was the first ethnic minority leader.
What's next? An exclusive from the Sun's "News in Briefs"?
Chief prosecutor dropped the case, saying there was nothing to make a case about. two girls also did not make any accusations or allegations.
but then, a swedish politician intervened. after the intervention of that dipshit, the case was reopened, and a MORONIC interpretation of the law was made, saying that 'not stopping after a condom broke is rape'.
the asswipes, INVENTED a new law, right on the spot.
and you are saying that cia was not involved. speaking of which, i have a bridge to sell you.
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You get burned. End of.
On what charge can they seize his bank account? On what charge can they seize any money? This is it people. This is how the globalist react to a threat. I am here in America. It is disgusting me, watching the news each day, radio-talk show host, they all condemn Assuage, sucked into the ad hominem attack that was crafted by the power that be. Check Google Trends, look at 'WikiLeaks', then look at 'Assuage'. The powers that be know how to coddle the masses, give them a drama piece, mention some sex, and they will go wild. The character assassination has worked, not because they took down Assuage with repeated 'turrorist', 'think of da children', 'hes a spy' ramblings, but because to people, Assuage is WikiLeaks. Listen to Eric Holder. Listen to Hillary. Their fucking power struggle for the spread of the plutocracy is threatened by freedom of information, see how violently they are reacting. In my experience, those who are guilty and have something to hide will act the most defensive and get extremely belligerent when somebody tries to expose and correct said bad behavior. Enter the US Government.
Do you fear your government? You should, but it didn't always have to be this way. It used to be that you were the government. There was at least some voice. Now, nameless and faceless pockets full of international money control the puppet. We've seen it in the elections. We go from extreme conservative to extreme democrat president, and its more or less the same. Less freedom. Hell, the latest white-house has honored FOIA request about as 'great' as his predecessor. Oldboss, newboss, that gig.
This is just a rant. But I am sure all of you that come here for the insightful comments (this is not one) are tired of listening to the fucking talking heads in the mainstream media reiterate the same points. 'He's a terrorist', 'He should be charged', 'He this' 'He that'. How about the talk about the fucking cables themselves, how about they talk about how this is similar to the pentagon papers, how about they talk about why the government is reacting so violently to this in light of the fact that these cables are mostly common knowledge amongst the powers that be and anybody that knows anything. I know why they don't talk about it. Because they drink the fucking coolaid. Or maybe they're co-conspirators. Or both. Fuck it. Check off this citizen on another bullshit watch list. Wouldn't surprise me.
Like George Carlin said, just getting fucked by that big red white and blue dick.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
"Today's actions against our editor-in-chief Julian Assange won't affect our operations: we will release more cables tonight as normal"
http://www.justiceforassange.com/
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Can someone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he mention that he will release all the documents if he gets arrested?!
The lunatic is in my head
No, not Osama Bin Laden. Don't be silly.
They moved heaven and earth to get this guy. I think that shows us all, where their priorities lie.
...I hope it was worth it and he had a threesome with those two women.
I don't understand why you are modded up, you want to make the US a Shariah state? That would mean even less freedom, which is exactly what Julian A. is fighting against. Do you really think they would need something like an arrest warrant if the US became an Islamic dictatorship?
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. "A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. "Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome." Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green Co., 1899).
As a Muslim, I honestly think you should STFU.
Being such a nutjob on public forums just gives bad publicity to our religion.
Seriously, "righfully stoned" & "Sharia in the US"??? Get lost, and please stop using our religion as an excuse to be a prick.
Thank you.
Sharia will never come to the U.S. or anywhere else in the western world. It's a barbaric practice that has unfortunately infected millions of people. The call to kill the Christian woman and her family in Pakistan (which will most likely come to pass, alas) comes to mind here. Islam is frankly an immature religion, the equivalent of a murderous two-year old, where great offense is taken over nothing at all (drawing an image of muhammad), and where punishment is at its basest. Stonings? Beheadings? Ridiculous.
Far from feeling smug about your perceived high vantage point of "purity" over impure Western morals, you should realize that a large portion of Muslim society is the one that is depraved and, frankly, one of the necessary tasks for humanity is to rid itself of destructive memes such as radical Islam (and Christianity, for that matter).
Sharia will never be tolerated in enlightened Western societies. Why would we want to go backwards? Truly, it is only something that needs to be completely and utterly eradicated, as I'm sure it eventually will. "Inshallah."
He's location is "unknown", but britsh and sweden authorities have access to him. That could very well mean that he's dead.
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expect him to 'disappear' as he is taken to one of the cia's black sites.
Women from all the world celebrate that they can now compalin to the interpol if their lovers choose to use no condom with the security that they will chase him with full resources in all the brave new world.
Two women scorned conspiring to get revenge on a cheating guy.
The "crime" is not RAPE. It is something else. Call it what it is or you are perpetuating the problem.
The Swiss account was CLOSED but the money in it is NOT confiscated.
Assange TURNED HIMSELF IN. To say he was arrested is technically accurate but does not depict the reality of the situation.
The media is strangely against Assange. He stands for everything the media is supposed to stand for. So not only has the media forgotten itself, it seems to actually combat its own principles.
Some might say that these are merely inaccuracies. When repeated in this way, it becomes lies. This stuff has got to stop.
Sexual promiscuity is not immoral, it is in fact completely natural.
What is immoral is transgression: when you go against the wishes of your sexual partner.
In the West, you can live the most debauched sexual life you want, without judgment, as long as anyone partaking of that lifestyle with you does so as a freely consenting equal adult. The principle concepts here are freedom and equality between the sexes. But as soon as you do something with someone by force, you are a criminal. There is no hypocrisy or contradiction here, as long as you understand the most important principles in play.
Meanwhile, it seems to many of us in the West that in the Muslim world (as well as in the conservative Jewish or fundamentalist Christian worlds as well) women are forced into lives by conservative religious and cultural teachings that are very much about coercion and force about how to behave, including violent punishments for choosing their own path. Therefore, we in the West view these conservative religious and cultural teachings as far more immoral than the most debauched orgy. Because we don't view the expression of simple natural human sexuality as a crime. But we view force and transgression against the notion of equality and freedom as a crime.
Women don't seem to be treated as equals by conservative religious and cultural teachings emanating from the traditional religious conservative societies in the Muslim world (or traditional Christian or Jewish worlds). This is immoral. These cultural and religious teachings to us are a form of transgression, in which the woman is not seen as an equal. And therefore, according to a morality that values freedom and equality, conservative Muslim, Christian, and Jewish teachings are immoral, where they devalue the lives and freedom of women.
Human sexuality is not a crime. Forcing someone to do something and not treating them as an equal is a a crime. In this regard, the way the conservative religious world (Muslim, Christian, or Jewish) treats woman is the real crime, and a woman in the West enjoying her completely natural sexuality is not in any way whatsoever criminal. Nor is there any logic whereby a woman or a man enjoying their natural sexuality is a crime.
So I ask you to stop judging human sexuality, and start judging the use of force against women into roles they did not choose of their own free will. In order to be a more moral person.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
This is such a bummer.
Errors in your post:
* Claiming he is wanted for suspicions of being promiscuous. He's not, so not trialing those millions is not an argument. Western justice systems do trial sex crimes all the time.
* Claiming the "West governments" are going after Assange and not Polanksi, when there are different jurisdictions in effect. Polanski was in France and Switzerland, Assange in the UK. Different jurisdictions, not different treatments by the same government.
* Claiming "sharia law will come to the US", which is ridiculous considering the Muslims in the US are less than 2.5% and many:
* Are native born
* Don't come from countries with Sharia law (e.g. India)
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And you really make me, as an atheist, question the many times I have defended Muslims.
Don't doubt yourself. Five will get you ten that AC isn't a muslim, just yet another asshole internet troll.
It is fair and consistent. The US Government is free to publish whatever they find about Wikileaks.
Brain surgery - it's not rocket science!
Oh get off it. In a shariah state both women would be stoned until dead and "J.A.", as you call him, would be elevated to public office.
If Assange's role in Wikileaks was just to provide a place for whistleblowers to reveal aspects of their government that the general public would be concernd to know existed (and wish to take action to change), he would be a hero. However, Assange views Wikileaks as a tool to bring down Western governments (the U.S. in particular) that he views as "totalitarian". His stated goal is to cause the overthrow of the U.S. government. The main purpose of the latest Wikileaks data dump was to cause Western governments to institute greater compartmentalization of information, making said governments less efficient and more heavyhanded (the first part is something Assange has stated as one of his goals, the second part is a natural result of that).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
"Promiscuous" /= "sexual assault".
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Assange doesn't hate the USA, Assange hates all governments. He's more like the archetypal anarchist from the late 1800s than your common garden variety USA hater in the world today.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/official-wikileaks-greatest-danger-loss-trust/story?id=12263971
What does that mean? Assange hates Brazil? No, Assange hates all authority. Next he's going after corporations, big banks. I heartily applaud that.
Assange is not anti-American. He hates the American government as much as any other government. He's a bomb thrower in the traditional anarchist sense of a century ago. He hates all authority.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I arrived as a foreigner in Switzerland well before 9/11, and was not permitted to open any bank account, nor sign any lease agreement, without first providing proof of a legitimate work or residency permit. The Swiss have had these requirements for a long time. Of course, the "private" banks have all manner of tricks of concealing sources of funds and owners, but that's not your average joe, nor your average bank balance, and at the time Julian opened his account, he certainly was still an average joe.
The comments below about the UBS/US kerfuffle are another matter altogether, nothing to do with a Post Office bank account, which was, unless Julian was a resident, an illegal action on his part. The gummint haven't taken his money - the Post Office have merely closed the account from any and all transactions, and will reimburse him every centime any time he asks for it.
Is wikileaks an organization financed by the public involved in numerous wars with its armed forces?
If you value democracy then you should understand that the backlash from the WL episode will be a push for laws and technology to control communications at the direct expense of democratic ideals which require free speech. Anonymity and secure peer-to-peer communications, already at risk, will be further threatened under the premise of terrorism. If you want to help ensure that democracy prevails in the face of reactionary politics, then run a TOR server ( http://www.torproject.org/ ) now, and consider any of these alternatives.
Does this mean he turned himself in? That is, the police requested his presence at the station and arrested him when he arrived. Summary should have made that clearer. I (and perhaps most people here) was thinking they busted his door down and dragged him away. Not to imply that not doing so softens the image of the authorities or anything. I'd just never thought he'd turn himself in.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
"which is ridiculous " So, you know the future? Andalus was Christian, then Muslim, then Christian, then secular.
Population change with time and you do not know how it turned out. My expression was expression of religious belief, your expression is an expression of atheistic know-it-all arrogancy.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
I am glad nobody argues about hypocrisy. Show me one single case where a man would be prosecuted for broken condom...
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
Fortunately, this will only lend more power to Assange's cause. Polls show that 70% of Americans approve of the leaks, and he is very widely considered to be a hero by many people. Imagine what would happen if that insurance file of his happens to be huge news, like evidence of 9/11 being an inside job or something. Just sayin'.
> Reason: Mastercard rules say you cannot use account for illegal activities.
This is just disgrace.
Facts:
1) Assange haven't been convicted for any crime and
it seems unlikely he will at most get only fined or something.
2) Do Mastercard cancel all accounts when its holder has committed some crime. I think not.
3) It is clear that this decision was made because of Assange's political activities.
The funny thing is there was an Mastercard advertisement
on the same page I read this news. No I really know who to trust to.
Character assassinating his accusers do nothing to help anyone. You post a lot in Assange threads, and I can tell you're a passionate supporter, but postings like this only undermine the public image of his support base.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
If they are, where did my €20 just went?
i would not want the u.s. to do ANYthing. for, ANYthing they are doing is being detrimental to both the world and their own citizens.
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Does the list of important sites have anything to do with war crimes and other events of dubious legality that shouldn't be covered up? Does the world benefit from knowing what the Americans internally think of various politicians?
It isn't just about uncovering shameful/illegal things that the governments would rather people know about but that they probably shouldn't have done anyway. It is about being "open and honest" - seemingly to an unnecessary extend, based on some of the leaks. Not revealing the control centres is not open and honest, and therefore seems a bit hypocritical.
Viol8 hit the nail on the head.
Recently, the Swedish authorities have changed their mind about Assange more times than they have changed their underwear. (Captain Obvious: That is a sign of them trying to find a reason to nail the man.)
It could also be a sign of very bad hygiene (which could also explains why Swedish girls are so eager to jump into bed with foreigners).
What you either forget or don't know is that Sweden isn't the US as portrayed in numerous TV shows. The prosecution is free to change their charges at any time as evidence appear, and frequently do so. The goal of the Swedish justice system is to unroll all the facts before deciding what to do, not to get a pre-arranged conviction through procedure.
So what we need is a whistle-blower within the whistle-blowing organisation? He'd better also tell us where they buy their coffee from, what they think of all of the latest TV shows, celebrities and politicians, and all of that other "vital" information that the world just needs to know!
Maybe now we will know what is in the insurance file... http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5723136/WikiLeaks_insurance
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He clearly has a personal problem with Assange, and while he might have a modicum of arguments to criticize that organization, they sound quite a bit like post facto rationalization of his personal feelings to me.
It's good to know when they put their minds to it, the US government can get results. I just wish they would do it for the good of the nation and its people and not just to save their own greedy asses.
I would agree with you if this was textbook rape. It's not. And it's not even a minor version of it. As far as can be seen, this is a case of women feeling some amount of regret or resentment after the fact -- the charges are documented and identify the sexual acts as CONCENTUAL. As a "real American" I have to consider not only the criminal charges, but also the law under which the criminal charges are brought. In this case, the "evidence" is flimsy at best. This is a "crime" that needs no answer at all. Initially, the Swedish authorities agreed with that assessment and closed the case. Politics got involved and now threatens due process, interpretation and application of law in Sweden. It's really bad as this had affect not only Assange but on all people in Sweden and all people who might visit Sweden in the future.
So I disagree. He does NOT need to answer for his crimes as I don't believe a crime was committed. That women often regret getting involved with a man is a fact of life.
Does the world benefit from knowing what the Americans internally think of various politicians?
Yes it does. In many small countries USA is able to influence internal politics with its economic power.
Actually, it seems that certain elements of the media are against him. Strangely, these seem to be the right wing, pro-strong government sections of the media. Especially those owned by Murdoch.
I used the quotes because I fully understand that while there are aspects of the U.S. government that I find objectionable there is still a very large gap between the current nature of the U.S. government and actual totalitarian governments. If I needed any further evidence of that, the 2010 election would be proof of that, a totalitarian government would not have allowed so many of its legislative branch to have been selected outside of the "Party" hierarchy.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
no, its not totalitarian. it's wrong, but its not totalitarian
terrorism is killing civilians in peacetime in a civil environment en masse and by surprise. terrorism is not a government's foreign policy. totalitarianism is attempting to control every aspect of your citizen's lives. totalitarianism is not a government's foreign policy
you don't have to like the usa, you don't have to like the usa's policies. but throwing every bad word you can think of at the usa and seeing what will stick is hardly intelligent, and just shows you don't even know what you are talking about
if someone robs a bank, you don't call them a rapist. if someone shoots his wife, you don't call them a drunk driver. american foreign policy has done plenty of evil and criminal things. but it is not totalitarian. and it is not terrorism. really
if you continue to call it such things, you just make yourself sound ignorant. and you aren't helping to stop the usa. because the only way the usa will be stopped is by people who understand exactly what the usa is doing and are able to clearly identify the nature of the crime, the cause, and how to stop it. not by throwing as many bad words against the usa they can think of. if you are an actual principled person, and you honestly want to stop the usa, start thinking for once
you don't have to like the usa. but you better sound intelligent when you articulate exactly why you dislike the usa. or you're just another garden variety tribal chest thumping moron in the world, certainly no better than what you dislike
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You don't know that. It's all conspiracy theory-grade guessing, made to fit your own preconceived notions. If it isn't the feminist conspiracy, it's the american conspiracy, or maybe both. Until we get to hear both sides directly, noone but Assange and the women know.
Also, there are reports that when Assange had sex with the women and they asked him to stop, he didn't. That makes it non-consecual sex and a crime. No violence needed.
But thank you for revlealing yourself to be a total misogynist. Now we now.
Interesting fact: Nothing non-consensual happened in this case whatsoever. It's rape in name only.
Good advice: Don't sleep with feminazis. When you're on the run from the law, stay away from authoritarian surveillance states with extradition treaties located on islands.
Off-topic note: Whoa Assange looks way more manly in the pic in that article than shaven with long hair. A badass, handsome man's man? These are the ingredients for a man crush my friend.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
The goal of the Swedish justice system is to unroll all the facts before deciding what to do
Really? Shouldn't they have fucking interviewed him after he offered after they leaked bogus rape accusations about him, then?
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
As a terrorist he almost fits the def 1:1.
One who commits terrorism - terrorism being defined as use of terror as a means of coercion.
Who is he trying to coerce and who is being terrorised? I don't think anyone is particularly scared, and there's no violence involved. So stop being stupid and using emotive words like "terrorism", or you'll just devalue the word.
There have been no charges for rape in Sweden as far as I'm aware, but still that's what all newspapers are touting.
What exactly are the charges against him?
So you have determined that Assange is guilty? Based on what? Maybe you should inform Sweden that they should put him in jail and throw away the key since you are so certain of his guilt. Why bother with a trial? So pointless. Are you one of those people that always assume anyone accused of a sex crime is automatically guilty?
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
The US no longer stands for freedom. Not in any way. Maybe 200 years ago, but not now. In fact, with the recent DHS/TSA fiasco we may be one of the least free countries on the planet. "I am going to squeeze your balls, citizen. You are permitted to cough. Resistance is futile." USA = Police State. Time to wake up, comrade.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Media is against him because he's cutting into their business, for free.
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
http://www.google.com/search?q=wikileaks+accuser+linked+to+cia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
7 Dec 2010 ... Wikileaks Assange 'Rape' Accuser Linked To Notorious CIA Operative Swedish prosecutors told AOL News last week that Assange was not wanted ....
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Why? It's not up to the suspects to determine when, if and how they should talk to the police.
Should the prosecution push aside all other cases and get him interviewed there and then, because he (allegedly) asked to?
Like all others, he has to wait his turn, and be interviewed, interrogated, prosecuted et cetera at the pace set by the prosecution, depending on their case loads, need to investigate other sides to the case first to even determine whether an interview is necessary, and many other factors.
And would an interview even have changed anything? The interrogation that's going to happen now is based on more information than what the prosecution had at that time, when he wasn't even charged for the four charges. So even if they had interviewed him back then, they still would have to interrogate him again.
Assange has been "remanded in custody" (i.e. refused bail), pending a hearing on December 14th.
1) It weren't centralized. Tor can be taken down with coordinated action against its auth servers by a handful of governments.
2) It was faster. Tor was basically only intended for web pages, and simple ones at that. It chokes on large multimedia stuff.
3) It weren't anti-P2P... which should be a big no-no in any activists book.
4) It could offer some kind of automatic redundancy/mirroring.
Tor is starting to look antiquated / inadequate because it was designed based on assumptions from 1999.
I suggest you try I2P at the link below where you can get access to anything Wikileaks has published, anonymously and relatively quickly.
It is what happens to slashdotters. When they have sex, it is suprising.
Or for the girl involved, depressing. If I was a woman and found myself having have had sex with a nerd, I would call the cops too. Somethings just can't go unpunished?
Not funny? No indeed, the entire collapse of our illusion of freedom is NOT funny.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Millions of people in the West lead sexually promiscuous appalling lives
As do millions of Muslims, don't kid yourself.
As I understand it, some of Mohammad's many wives were as young as nine years old.
Also, as I understand it, Iran has more google searches for stuff like bestiality, than any other nation.
Also, as I understand, Muslim nations tend to unbelievable backwards, and brutal.
I guess "The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has been arrested by London police on behalf of Swedish authorities on allegation of rape." sounds more juicy than:
"After an arrest warrant was issued for Julian Assange in England, he (likely at the advice from his lawyer) turned himself in."
Sure technically he was arrested, just the little detail that he turned himself in and submitted himself. It wasn't as if the police just found him in a raid or something...
you're an idiot
totalitarianism is a country's government controlling its citizens lives completely. there is no such thing as totalitarianism in foreign relations, it's a completely different scenario. no really. don't try to fucking redefine the meaning of the word, moron
all you are demonstrating with your comment is that you don't even know the definition of the word you are talking about. and if you don't know that, why are you even talking?
again: i am not defending the usa. it is perfectly valid to prosecute the usa for its very real crimes in this world. and there are people in this world who do understand the nature of those crimes and are busy making the case against the usa. good for them
then there is a different class of people who don't know anything except moronic tribal chest thumping and blathering on about big scary words they don't even fucking understand
you need to prosecute the usa for its actual crimes. not rave about the usa moronically in such a way that shows you don't even understand what those crimes actually are. when you open your mouth, you paint the good cause of fighting the usa as a dumb cause, if you are representative of what that cause is composed of
you damage the image of intelligent people who are mounting the good fight against the usa, because when you open your mouth, you sound dumb. those who are fighting the usa aren't all idiots. but you are. so shut up, and let those who actually understand the terminology fight the usa on the basis of its actual real foreign policy crimes, rather than low iq imagined crimes that don't even make sense. all you do is help the evils of the usa, by delegitimizing the cause of the fight against the usa by making it look like the cause is populated by morons. you make the fight against the usa harder, because anyone impartial will look at your words and think "what a moron. i guess only morons hate the usa"
you don't proseucte bank robbers for rape. you don't prosecute drunk drivers for domestic violence. do you understand that? then why are blabbering about totalitarianism on the subject matter of american foreign policy? i know why: because you're a simpleton low iq moron who doesn't even know what totalitarianism is
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The problem with this is that Assange will be prosecuted for his infidelity, but sentenced for pissing off world superpowers.
Hint: Interpol doesn't normally get involved in gray-area cases of Swedish latter day rape.
The US and the WEST in general remain the beacon of hope and freedom
Assange is clearly being arrested on trumped-up charges. This is nothing but a 100% unprovable case of he-said-she-said. Since when does Interpol become involved in such a case? Since when do we have a massive international man-hunt over something like that? This stinks to high-heaven and you know it.
And why now? Wikileaks has been around 2006, but it has not been until banks were threatened that it became such a BFD.
I thing the US and West would have more credibility if they acted more properly.
If America bullies a nation into doing something not in its best interest with financial or military (or any other) might then that is fair enough for exposure - it is interfering in the internal affairs of a foreign nation. A distinction needs to be made between that and general petitioning/bargaining/politics, though.
Whether various world leaders are thin skinned, party-animals or otherwise annoying does not need to be released and can only antagonise situations. Disclosing that kind of information is just a call of "look at me - we've got non-critical but titillating stuff that the press will love even if it is of no whistle-blowing significance whatsoever".
Do you go into every negotiation at work or in commerce and say "well, I think you're [insert derision here], but lets talk about [insert thing to be agreed]"? No, because even if you don't like someone then you keep it professional and let the agreement be based on the agreement.
This is just more of the security theater we have all come to love. First of all I think we should question why most of these secret documents were secret in the first place. Is it really a surprise to anyone that Iran’s neighbors don’t want them to have nukes. I’m sure Canada and Mexico would be happier if the US didn’t have huge stockpiles of nukes and God knows what else. Wikileaks and Julian Assange are not doing anything wrong, the government officials just don’t like to be seen as fools. How much trouble would it be to just not say things that might be insulting to people, or at least not to write them down. If I did something like this I would be called unprofessional, they scream about being caught and how some “traitor” has betrayed the country. I agree that some things need to be kept under wraps for a time, but when you make everything a secret people are bound to open their mouths up, particularly when the things you are trying to hide make you look foolish or if the person judges them to be immoral. Wikileaks is performing a valuable service bringing these things to the forefront. As to the sexual allegations against Mr. Assange, I seem to recall several US Presidents being accused of promiscuity.
Looks to me like the authorities are grasping for straws for some excuse to arrest the guy. Was this alleged misconduct even recent?
While I agree with your sentiment, you really need to stop pretending that you know for a fact that Assange is guilty of anything. There has been no trial yet, hell, he hasn't even been formally charged yet as far as I understand it. I've read conflicting information on the possible charges, including sources which really should match (for the moment, the 2+1+1 thing is probably as accurate as it gets). If there is a trial, it'll be a difficult one -- we might end up with two contradicting descriptions for each of the instances of alleged misconduct and hardly any corroborating evidence.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
That certainly isn't in the referenced article - where do you find that she appealed to him to stop and he did not?
Sweden Issues Warrant for WikiLeaks Founder
By JOHN F. BURNS and RAVI SOMAIYA
Published: November 18, 2010
The money quote:
According to accounts the women gave to the police and friends, they each had consensual sexual encounters with Mr. Assange that became nonconsensual. One woman said that Mr. Assange had ignored her appeals to stop after a condom broke. The other woman said that she and Mr. Assange had begun a sexual encounter using a condom, but that Mr. Assange did not comply with her appeals to stop when it was no longer in use.
The big problem that I see is that there's some media right now whose "reporting" is basically repeating Assange's lawyers' statements at length.
Are you adequate?
and you are beyond moron.
so, its ok if a country's government is not controlling the lives of its citizens completely, but, doing it to 90% through use of indirect means ?
so, you think you have a freedom of choice because you can buy 4 different brands of detergent in your local store ? ALL of which are buying their base materials from p&g or unilever ?
or, you think, you have a freedom of choice because you are told that you can leave where you are whenever you want ? then leave now. can you ? can you leave your kids behind ? family ? your job ? how will you feed yourself ?
so you are free. 80% of the news in your country (assuming you are american) is owned by parents of 4 major movie studios. ALL that you can gleam from media, comes from either these, or their counterparts in press. so, you are free ? you are not even able to see what they dont want you to see. there was internet, and as you can see, they are trying to set up control mechanisms for it too. and again, that will not happen through government, in order not to wake the fools like you up - it will be done privately - they will kill network neutrality, and 3 major corporations owning entire networks will censor information as they will, while maintaining the illusion of choice for fools like you.
YOU ARENT EVEN ALLOWED TO LEARN WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN DECEIVING YOU WITH.
yet you purport that you are free, and your government is totalitarian.
that is the problem with you people. if something is not being done by government, you think that it is not totalitarianism.
you are the moron who is buying 'if it is government it is totalitarianism' brainwashing cue and then going about the internet calling others moron for seeing what you are not able to see.
totalitarianism is totalitarianism, regardless of the propagator is public or private. YOU END UP BEING CONTROLLED. directly or indirectly. 90% or 80%. its as simple as that.
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My wikileaks tweets are either suppressed or delayed long enough that I lose hope of ever finding them. If you use a twitter app then there's a chance your tweet will be searchable. Interestingly enough, "Assange Arrested" trended for a quite a bit today! So we know where Twitter's interest lies.
Great now there are crazy-ass Muslim fundies on Slashdot. Just great...
Why don't you go join up with the Taliban in their caves, where they don't have computers.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
It looks like you need a lot more than $37K in a Swiss bank account to stay a threat to the US Military/Industrial/Banking complex. Probably helps if your threats mean $TRILLIONS in war/intel budgets.
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What a childish argument. So in other words anything that has had public finance needs to be open?
Right, well in that case I guess your medical records should be made public then. You want to
start the ball rolling and publish them yourself or shall we just get Jesus, sorry , Julian to
do it for you?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/06/leftist-bloggers-point-to-cia-connections-in-assange-rape-case/
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
"so, its ok if a country's government is not controlling the lives of its citizens completely, but, doing it to 90% through use of indirect means ? "
you really believe that?
then you aren't an idiot. you're a paranoid schizophrenic
in your mind, the usa is like sauron in mordor or emperor palpatine in star wars. these are fanciful comparisons, because the way you think about world affairs is fanciful creative lunacy
you imagine the usa has these vast powers over governments and people outside its borders that simply. do. not. exist. really, they don't exist
oops, my grandma stubbed her toe. must be usa's fault
get real, retard
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Not so long ago a guy was tortured and killed because he plotted to act against the "state". This is just another 5th of November...
The actions of MasterCard, PayPal, Amazon etc. are examples of the privatization of the suppression of dissent. The US, British, and French governments have been unable to legally do anything about Wikileaks and are likely to be unable to anything legally, because they have not committed a crime. The publication of leaked documents is not a crime. Instead like incarceration, many military and police operations, and security, suppression of undesirable information has been privatized. These companies have taken it upon themselves to enforce the new corporate order. Right now this suits the governments program, maybe later it won't.
It takes many daring leaps of logic, however, to get from there to "'take your dick out of my pussy' means I can continue."
Are you adequate?
Just like the fair trial of the operators of the torrent search engine called pirate bay, eh?
He did deal with the charges when he was still in Sweden. He offered on multiple occasions to come in for interrogation and asked if he was free to leave the country before he left.
And we know that's true because Assange's lawyers said it!
Are you adequate?
Did you notice that to make sure no one saw the story, they even made sure the arrest took place on the SAME DAY as the launch of WoW Cataclysm? That's how bad they wanted this one to fly under the radar.
Why? It's not up to the suspects to determine when, if and how they should talk to the police.
And it's not the suspect's to wait around forever in the country if the police apparently think he's involved in a crime (At least, the police illegally leaked that to the press, they never told him that), but won't interview him and won't change him with anything, either.
Nor is it the suspect's job to fly back to the country when they do finally want to interview him.
He's still not been charged with anything, just wanted for questioning, which, um, makes this extradition stuff illegal, as Assange is going to point out in British court. You cannot extradite someone for 'questioning'. In the EU, you have the other police hold someone for questioning there, you can only have them extradited if you actually have charges filed against them.
It appears the British authorities knew it was illegal and were gravely confused by the request and thus didn't didn't try to arrest Assange, despite knowing where he was...so he turned himself in so this imaginary extradition request could be fought.
And he will win, and it will trumpeted everywhere that he 'managed to avoid extradition for the rape charge'...the rape charge that still does not exist.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
idiot, it is the status you are in. of course, its understandable, for, in order to see that one may need a long education in finance, and a hobby of history reading to complement it, and having friends, colleagues in important career positions in global megacorporations. so, you may lack these, and therefore come up believing the bullshit you are fed because you cant see the backside of what is being fed you.
but actually, one can do even without these. for, for a sufficiently dedicated researcher, there is enough material on the internet to make out the interest relationships and the conglomerates that span the world.
no, its not conspiracy. its shareholdership information, stake ownership, financial partnerships. they are all legitimate, officially declared and audited information that shows who owns what and who.
only the morons who have a half-assed dedication to using their brain can fall for the multiple branding, and think that there is actually competition, more than one interest in any given economy/country.
the truth is whatever you see, end up being owned by a few conglomerate interest holderships. these are not hidden information. they are all declared in balance sheets and income statements to public. but public, naive fools like you, do not get interest in these boring financial details. however they are actually the info which shows who owns you. it goes through dozens of proxy companies and international partnerships, but their ownership ends up in the few individuals.
you are as free as any middle ages english serf, who thought they were free, because, unlike the ones in france, they were sometimes allowed to move and migrate, and own small lots of land. compared to french serfs who could not move and own land by purchase, they thought themselves free. however, wherever they moved, they fell under the rule of one of the 5 major dukes ruling england.
you are similar to them. you can move, and change where you live, and own small property, but you will still be owned by any of the 5-10 dukes owning whatever country you are in.
the only difference is that, the king is now elected from among the patricians which these dukes support. and you think that is freedom.
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Totalitarianism: Form of government that subordinates all aspects of its citizens' lives to the authority of the state, with a single charismatic leader as the ultimate authority. The term was coined in the early 1920s by Benito Mussolini, but totalitarianism has existed throughout history throughout the world (e.g., Qin dynasty China). It is distinguished from dictatorship and authoritarianism by its supplanting of all political institutions and all old legal and social traditions with new ones to meet the state's needs, which are usually highly focused. Large-scale, organized violence may be legitimized. The police operate without the constraint of laws and regulations.
http://www.answers.com/topic/totalitarianism
Just because you don't like the way a government works, doesn't make it totalitarian. There is a reason that the term totalitarianism was coined in the 20th Century. While it may be legitimate to refer to certain government policies as containing the seeds of totalitarianism, as long as you can refer to the government from within its geographic control as totalitarian (and mean that as a serious criticism) without being arrested or worse, it isn't totalitarian.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Now the tricky part for him is to avoid drinking any tea. The CIA has polonium, too, and its access to UK justice system facilities is virtually unrestricted.
I would like males out there to consider that all this talk about motor reflexes and lack of control is silly. The only explanation I can find is that people consider 'sex' to only be the part when you are finally past the gates, hip-deep in the well, and within moments of giving up the seed.
there is a point after which the movement becomes hysterical. it is what is designed to increase the speed of the mating so that it will result in ejaculation, and hopefully pregnancy, by nature.
it is also the reason why the mating is too short, unfortunately, opposite to what we would desire. all the effort there is designed for the ejaculation part for pregnancy. nature wanted to make sure pregnancy happens, and the process does not get interrupted by either party losing interest due to any reason or other kinds of urges, desires, overcoming the mating process at its final stages.
you should file your complaints with nature. you cant change biology and physiology with political correctness. blunt reality of life.
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Dutch PowNed runs its own mirror. Major newspapers work closely together with Wikileaks on the leaks to properly redact them.
So most US media and the BBC and the NOS have shown their true colors. Nobody in their right mind trusted those anyway.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
So in other words anything that has had public finance needs to be open?
No. Not any information. But more of those with public finance than of other institutions. And I asked that question because you treated wikileaks and the US government on the same level.
Also:
What a childish argument.[...] Right, well in that case I guess your medical records should be made public then. You want to start the ball rolling and publish them yourself or shall we just get Jesus, sorry , Julian to do it for you?
Please don't transform it into some kind of personalities. Thank you.
Why so much success in arresting some guy who had sex with a broken condom, but no success what so ever in arresting a pedophile rapist like Roman Polanski?
as perpetrated in other countries
now, make believe the usa disappeared into a lake tomorrow
do you believe anything you have written in your list of the crimes of the usa would stop?
#1: if the usa aids a government or a faction operating in a foreign country, that government or faction will still exist, and still perpetrate those crimes
#2: russia, china, india, brazil... other countries besides the usa are meddling in foreign governments just as much as the usa
you only hold the usa guilty for what every country does. you don't see that the crimes you hate the usa for are really the crimes of all governments
if the usa disappears, nothing changes about every crime you dislike. the foreign factions the usa supports will not collapse, because they are not solely the puppets of the usa. they have domestic support, within the countries they operate in. sure, some factions may lose if the usa disappears. probably because the factions they fight, still enjoy the support of china, or iran, or russia, etc. but you don't hold those other countries also guilty of foreign meddling. you only hold the usa guilty. why is that?
crimes that are committed by partisans in other countries may enjoy the support of the usa. or maybe another country. or maybe no foreign support at all, you just believe the usa supports them, because it fits your low iq fanciful prejudices
every country in the world messes internally with every other country. as soon as you understand that, you may continue to prosecute the usa for its crimes... and russia, and china, etc... if it is in your interest to be intellectually honest and adhere to your principles
rather than atavistically single out and hate the usa alone, for simple common tribal prejudicial reasons that makes you a person of no value in this world, since people who think simplistically and tribally like you are a dime a dozen, whether for or against the usa. the tribal idiots balance each other out in this world. only people with genuine principles, who adhere to them logically and internally in the words they write, only such people matter in this world. you are obviously not such a person, because you only prosecute the usa for crimes which are not unique to the usa, nor even obviously the cause of the usa. you only have creative and fanciful and dumb ways of explaining why certain things are solely the cause of the usa, just because the usa supports a faction, gives them aid, or even just talks to them: suddenly the usa is completely culpable for every bad thing that faction does. and then you ignore what russia, china, etc. are doing internationally. insanity and stupidity
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
He's still not been charged with anything
That's an artifact of how Swedish law works. He's not "åtalad", but he's "häktad" in relation to the crimes of one count of rape, one count of sexual assault, and two counts of sexual misconduct.
I.e. he's arrested, but not in the US TV show sense where you have to be charged with a crime before you can get arrested.
"Investigative detainment for named crimes" would probably be the best translation.
You think there's a significant difference between the two parties in the US? That's laughable.
nowhere i have given a dictionary definition.
from the start, i have said that, what matters was the END result. and it wouldnt matter whether the control was exercised by state, through state, or by private parties, through state, or by private parties, through private parties.
that being said, you will find a lot of differing definitions of totalitarianism, even in its dictionary meaning :
http://www.history-ontheweb.co.uk/concepts/totalitarianism.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=totalitarianism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
the only thing common in between them, is the masses being made conform to a certain format.
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"No. Not any information. But more of those with public finance than of other institutions."
More of those? Which ones and who gets to decide? You? What makes you so much more qualified to do so than people in government?
"Please don't transform it into some kind of personalities. "
Why not, the man is clearly deluded.
I'm glad I donated via the "Wau Holland Stiftung", rather than wiring directly to his Swiss account, this one still seems to be intact.
The "Wau Holland Stiftung" is the 3rd option on his donation page.
Assange was denied bail, and it sounds like he will be held for 60 days before extradition.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/1207/Why-Britain-is-likely-to-send-WikiLeaks-Assange-to-Sweden-on-rape-charges
"The ability to delude yourself may be an important survival tool" - Jane Wagner -
Did I say that? What I said is that many people got elected in this last election who were opposed by the establishment of the Party they are part of.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
That's an artifact of how Swedish law works. He's not "åtalad", but he's "häktad" in relation to the crimes of one count of rape, one count of sexual assault, and two counts of sexual misconduct.
I.e. he's arrested, but not in the US TV show sense where you have to be charged with a crime before you can get arrested.
No, that's how it works in all countries, or at least in the US also. You can detain people without charging them. (And any forced detention is, by definition, an 'arrest'. All 'arrest' means is that you can't leave. Your movement is 'arrested'.)
You can do that for some amount of time. In the US, it varies form 24-72 hours. They are detained 'on suspicion of X', instead of being charged.
But countries can't extradite people from another country without formally charging them. Sweden cannot get him from the UK without actually filing charges.
Which is, incidentally, why the British didn't go after him. The Interpol thingy is just a way to to get the local police to hold him so that either a) an valid arrest warrant can be filed, with things that are actually illegal in UK, or b) the Swedes fly there and question him there.
The Swedes have shown no inclination to do either, so the UK just ignored him. Now that he's turned himself in, the Swedes have to do one of the other or he's free to go.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
For anyone not familiar with the term: "hydrophobia" is another name for rabies
Only if you try to equate Wikileaks (a private organization) with the United States Government (an alleged democracy that is supposed to be accountable to it's people).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning
Manning was arrested by agents of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command in May 2010 and held in pre-trial confinement in a military jail at Camp Arifjan in Kuwait.[1][2][3] On July 5, 2010, two misconduct charges were brought against him for "transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system" and "communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source".[2][7] The charges included unauthorized access to Secret Internet Protocol Routers network computers, download of more than 150,000 United States Department of State diplomatic cables, download of a classified PowerPoint presentation, and downloading a classified video of a military operation in Baghdad on July 12, 2007. Manning is also charged for forwarding the video and at least one of the cables to an unauthorized person.[15] The maximum jail sentence is 52 years.[1]
Manning faces a pretrial hearing under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, following which his lawyer expects a court-martial in the spring of 2011.[8][1]
nowhere i have given a dictionary definition
I did not say that you had. I gave a dictionary definition because you were using a definition of totalitarian that was inconsistent with historical usage. The key thing is that even you admit that totalitarianism involves the masses being "made to conform", not convinced to conform. Totalitarian governments have certain things in common. One of those is that the masses are afraid to not conform, not afraid in the, "People will think badly of me if I do that" way, but in the "People from the government will come and do bad things to me if I do that" way.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I suggest you read "confessions of an economic hitman", because if you had you would not have made such an incorrect assertion as:
"you imagine the usa has these vast powers over governments and people outside its borders that simply. do. not. exist. really, they don't exist"
That's what makes these leask interesting; looking for evidence in which those attached to the mission act on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce and its constituency.
resist propaganda
Be careful about grouping all news organizations together as "the media". That's the kind of mental shortcut that makes it easy to manipulate public opinion. Someone might say "the media" is in the Obama Administration's pocket? Would they be including Fox? Would they then fallback to the "liberal media"? "The mainstream media"?
I've been reading The New York Times coverage of this story for awhile and I haven't felt like they were against Assange.
I'm not trying to be pedantic or nit-picky here. I think it's very important to not fall prey to oversimplifications that are much too freely used in discussions today. And for the record I have felt like "NBC Nightly News" and the other two major network nightly newscasts seemed strangely against Assange as you so correctly point out.
More of those? Which ones and who gets to decide? You? What makes you so much more qualified to do so than people in government?
A good question, but the answer is not so simple IMHO. To take an earlier example, most of those people who are most affected by the Iraq war don't have any influence on the US government (they can not vote for/against them). And I guess even the US public needs more information to decide whom to trust.
When has Assange ever advocated overthrowing any governments? Seriously, where did you read this? He may have said he wants to take down regimes/administrations, but who doesn't want to do that? (The Republicans have openly said they want to ruin the Obama administration.) From what I've seen he just believes in open government to maximize the knowledge that citizens have to enhance the democratic system. He and Wikileaks are succeeding brilliantly at this task that the traditional media have failed miserably.
Ceci n'est pas une sig.
6. Repeat if necessary
The media, quite simply was bought long ago. People were so scared that government would absorb business than they didn't realize it when business absorbed government. This is a corporatocrazy now, the government and big media are one and the same, with all the bad implications that entails.
But... the future refused to change.
The media is strangely against Assange. He stands for everything the media is supposed to stand for. So not only has the media forgotten itself, it seems to actually combat its own principles.
People get pissed off if you show the world they suck at doing their job, and it's not that hard to do it right. I mean, here's one guy who started a corporation that's outshining all of the newspapers and television stations without big corporate backing, and he's managed to do so in only a few short years.
Look up "post-penetration rape", which is what Assuage is accused of. This is a relatively new legal concept. In the US, a few states consider that illegal. Most don't. Does Sweden?
When did the Godfather get involved in politics?
You're only saying that because we have the highest number of people in jail per capita (higher than Russia and China). Let freedom ring!
ed duval the very last person
but it's worth noting here that being a longtime activist would be good cover for an agent.
Therefore it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!!!
Is that enough exclamation points? I have more. !!!!!! See? :-)
The principle of proportionality. Remember that revenge will not only match the deed in size but also in nature. A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you.
Bullshit. The best revenge is one that stuns the target into an eternal state of "WTF?!" and guarantees that the target will never give cause for revenge ever again.
Surely the fact that he turned himself in is worth mentioning in this paragraph ...
Your doing it wrong speedy.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Sadly, it's more probable that he will team up with the AC that constantly rails against "Niggers". (Gawd I hate that AC. He's such a douche.)
And we know that's true because Assange's lawyer told us!
Are you adequate?
I recall reading it in the news at the time.
The media is strangely against Assange. He stands for everything the media is supposed to stand for. So not only has the media forgotten itself, it seems to actually combat its own principles.
I'm guessing this is for the same reason why many people side with a bully or stand quiet instead of speaking up for the bullied: Fear of becoming the target themselves. By distancing themselves from Wikileaks and avoiding to call it a journalistic organisation, media hope to escape restrictions of the freedom of press potentially being applied to them, when politicians and others go after Wikileaks.
Of course, as in the case with bullying, the only reason it can continue is because people who don't agree with it don't stand up against it.
Yes, there seems to be a blog post about revenge from one of the women. Suspicious at most, but it still proves absolutely nothing.
That men are unable to stop having sex once they've started is the lamest excuse I've heard in a long time. You're just making excuses for men who don't care about consent. The misogyny continues.
Why are we accepting the attacks on wikileaks seemingly being tied to their founder who isn't the organization but the man being targeted? It seems that all these attacks on the organization are being smoke screened by the founder's personal problems (due to his involvement in the group and volunteering to be the frontman/target for it.)
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...some inmate of a swedish prison will find strange letters on the wall saying something like 'a738f92dfd009ff3d8aab51'.
You mean Wikileaks (a private organisation with high ideals about how it can improve the world, which should be accountable to anyone it affects through its actions) and the US Government (a democratic nation that has high ideals about how it can improve the world and is supposed to be accountable to its people as well as anyone it affects through its actions)? They're not quite on the same scale, but if WikiLeaks want openness and want to leak non-whistleblowing information then it only seems right that they're also open and share everything as well.
USA orders the Swedish peasants to find something to take him out; every nation has crazy laws on something. They find their rape laws are really easy and the bonus is that they looks bad; "The master (USA) will be pleased..."
Then they find some women (somehow) to decide to turn against him and even if it is not true, they can pressure those women to give evidence against him-- Remember, if the SWEDISH GOVERNMENT can be forced certainly they can force a few women to go along enough to get him into court. The can make anybody 'regret' having ever known him... Even if dropped they get a smokescreen and propaganda from it. Remember, it didn't work initially until they found the right Swedish stooge to play along.
Read some of the leaks, the USA heavily pressures others to do its bidding against all laws,ethics,morals of their own country on issues that are FAR WORSE than just nailing a foreigner on rape charges.
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If you only you could realize that your attitude is what give Islam a bad name, not being affiliated to any religion at all, I just wish people like you just shut up and don't try to force your views into anyone else.
Also, Sharia law in USA? Andalus? That happened hundreds of years ago when you didn't have too much of a choice regarding the religion in the place where you were living. The only natural next-step for ALL religions in the world is to disappear once and for all. No, I'm not atheist I believe in God I just don't care about the various bureaucracy schools around him/her/it
Not being an American I can't see how USA would accept something like Sharia Law, I mean, Next someone is going to give us their "expression of religious belief" and propose child defilement. Sharia Law and child defilement are things very well related in that they go against basic human rights.
Or maybe you're just reverse-trolling so people hate Islam. Anyway STFU
there are no societal norms about what goes on in the bedroom, because society isn't in your bedroom. there are societal norms about workplace behavior, telephone etiquette, driving rules, etc: arenas in life that involve public social interaction
but what happens in the privacy of your own bedroom is something society has nothing to do with, knows nothing about, and has no moral or logical reason to know about or judge. the whole purpose to society and morality is to govern our behavior in civil situations. in private, there are no norms to follow save what you want to do and what you don't want to do. if you don't want to do something, don't do it. if someone forces you to do something in the bedroom, THEN you have reason to complain publicly, as your right to freedom and equality has just been violated. otherwise, society has no right or reason to judge or interfere
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
That men are unable to stop having sex once they've started is the lamest excuse I've heard in a long time.
you are either not a man, or havent had sex yet. or, you are not sexually mature.
this is an evolutionary design. the pregnancy needs to be ensured. ejaculation is the means to do it. it should take place as soon as possible, from nature's view.
considering the monkeys which are these bodies evolved from were nested in trees at the start, and had to mate among branches, hanging about.
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The key thing is that even you admit that totalitarianism involves the masses being "made to conform", not convinced to conform.
being 'convinced' to conform, ends up with conforming.
and 'convincing' takes a lot of forms.
One of those is that the masses are afraid to not conform, not afraid in the, "People will think badly of me if I do that" way, but in the "People from the government will come and do bad things to me if I do that" way.
absolutes. if you mix in 10 different ways to make someone conform to something from 10 different concepts, it doesnt make what it ends up as, less totalitarian. in the end, you MAKE someone conform to what you want.
indeed people are not afraid to not conform because 'people will think badly of me' (despite even that being a factor), but, instead, they are pushed into the depths of the society, to lower levels, and even prosecuted if need be (as in the case of assange).
basically, you are put in a position that you cant survive/persist in the society. first, you are pushed into depths, lower levels, if you still insist, it is made impossible for you to continue existing in the society.
of course, by the time you reach that point, you are already out of being a threat for the establishment. for example, if the wikileaks crowd were just people blabbering about in conspiracy forums, the establishment wouldnt give 2 shits about them.
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would that it were so, i used to think that way when i was 10 as well. but thanks to pvc Manning and wikileaks we have yet more incontrovertible proof that you are extremely clueless.
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I hope you never learn firsthand what a real totalitarian society looks like. However, you should look at historical examples of real totalitarian governments. The current U.S. government (nor those of any Western European country) looks nothing like them. If you lived in a true totalitarian society, you would expect the secret police to show up at your door just because you talked about Julian Assange in public. In totalitarian societies, people like Julian Assange are just disappeared and nobody ever talks about them again (except maybe in hushed whispers by the very, very brave).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Having sex is not immoral, and is completely natural. Jumping from partner to partner is a series of one-night stands or short term relationships is harmful. It is an addictive behavior where the person involved does it to get a momentary high, then is left feeling empty afterward. People who engage are often in denial about the consequences their actions (either to themselves or to others).
One thing that people who engage in this behavior like to point out is that the people on the side of "sexual morality" often have it even worse. They get over involved in relationships early on and are stuck with a bad marriage for years which ends in a contentious divorce. Or they spend their entire lives chasing after the illusion of an ideal relationship that is unattainable. Or they join a religious following that encourages them to blow themselves up to advance someone's political agenda. The problem with this thinking is that simply pointing out that the other person is more wrong than you, does not prove that what you are doing is right.
The claim of "casual sex" is dangerous because it is hard to draw from ones experience an example of it working out well (I am speaking from my own experience). And from a logical perspective, it doesn't make sense to claim that sex is no big deal and then expend a lot of energy and endure a number of risks to pursue it.
First, the US gov't has never shown accountability to non-citizens. (And to be fair, most nations don't feel the need to be accountable to foreigners, but the US seems to take extra glee in it.)
Second, I don't believe WikiLeaks has ever positioned themselves as democratic or transparent. I'd be surprised if they did, considering the nature of their work. Contrast with the US, who theoretically is supposed to answer to their citizenry.
Also, Wikileaks *is* accountable for their actions (as recent events have shown). Unfortunately, it looks like some governments would rather be "right" than "legal".
The current U.S. government (nor those of any Western European country) looks nothing like them.
they are like them. the only thing that you are erring in, is thinking that direct repression is worse than indirect oppression.
ie, it would be more 'totalitarian' if police suddenly knocked down your door. but, its not that totalitarian when visa cancels your cards, amazon kicks you off hosting, banks freeze your funds, and some dipshit manufactures rape charges by wiiiidely interpreting a law. it is oppression, but, it is done indirectly, and behind excuses.
in a totalitarian society, you would expect police to show up your door for talking about assange. because, you are as dangerous as anyone else, in such a system.
however in a capitalist system like usa, you are only as dangerous as the funds and amenities you have. if you were wealthy, and becoming dangerous, the system would start removing you from itself, by the same means it is trying to remove wikileaks.
and it may come to that too - dont mistake - if, they can remove wikileaks as a source, they will go after anyone who is disseminating, sharing, or talking that information, through the same means. its just that they werent able to remove wikileaks.
in the end, if all boils down to some schmocks talking in conspiracy forums, they will be satisfied. because, they do know that you have NO power to do anything. because doing anything requires finances, power.
in a totalitarian system like you know, the system propagates itself with ideology. that is why, someone talking against the ideology is a direct danger.
in a capitalist (postmodern feudalism) system, system propagates itself with wealth structures. in this system, anyone having enough power to do anything (finances, means to do anything) without adhering to the existing hierarchy, is a danger to the system.
both remove the danger to themselves. the means of doing that, differs.
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Can you point to a time and place in history that had a society more to your liking than current Western Civilization?
Overall, having exchanged several comments with you, I have to conclude that you are either incredibly naive about human nature, or just plain stupid.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Are you being a deliberate troll or are you really the total fucking idiot you come across as?
Why is where he has been of any public intertest. Any fool would realise that keeping their operational methods secret is what protects the continuation of Wikileaks.
You are the asshole.
Julian Assange’s chief accuser in Sweden has a significant history of work with anti-Castro groups, at least one of which is US funded and openly supported by a former CIA agent convicted in the mass murder of seventy three Cubans on an airliner he was involved in blowing up.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/
It's no use, they have Internet enabled cellphones.
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From what I gather, the condom actually broke during intercourse with one of the women and Mr Assange was asked to stop, and he didn't.
They always taught me that when I got a flat, I was supposed to pull over to the side of the road and decelerate slowly. Perhaps they just didn't give him a chance.
Have gnu, will travel.
Visa says it has suspended all payments to WikiLeaks pending an investigation of the organization's business.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/12/07/wikileaks_17/index.html
Bout case is a useful study in how the Obama administration could be exerting pressure on the British and Swedish governments. Ironically, what we know about the Bout case comes from secret cables released by WikiLeaks. ... an aggressive lawyer could drag out an extradition case against Assange -- whoever the requesting country -- for as long as two years. But as bond has been denied, he might spend that time in a prison cell.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/07/julian_assange_extradition/index.html
I am a man and I find it quite offensive that you think I lose all control as soon as a woman touches my dick.
It's a bad excuse for bad behavior. But then it's typical of misogynists to make vague references to biology as support for their negative attitudes towards women.
Regarding the worldwide reactions of mainstream media to a Swedish prosecutor's poor and possibly biased paperwork, see Naomi Wolf's brillant, and sarcastic, commentary on Assange's alleged (just that - alleged) wrongdoings, written in the form of an Open Letter:
"Dear Interpol:
As a longtime feminist activist, I have been overjoyed to discover your new commitment to engaging in global manhunts to arrest and prosecute men who behave like narcissistic jerks to women they are dating.
I see that Julian Assange is accused of having consensual sex with two women, in one case using a condom that broke. I understand, from the alleged victims' complaints to the media, that Assange is also accused of texting and tweeting in the taxi on the way to one of the women's apartments while on a date, and, disgustingly enough, 'reading stories about himself online'in the cab.
[...]
Thank you again, Interpol. I know you will now prioritize the global manhunt for 1.3 million guys I have heard similar complaints about personally in the US alone
[...]"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html
Your "perfect" time in history is prehistoric Anatolia? A time and place that we know next to nothing about? You say that they didn't have any weapons, yet this article talks about men being ceremoniously buried with weapons made of obsidian. Other references I came across suggest that there is no sound basis for concluding that they had a matriarchal society (or that they didn't. There is insufficient evidence to reach a conclusion one way or the other).
Basically, your knowledge of Scandinavian history is much the same...mostly propaganda with little basis in actual observable fact. As for where the positive traits of Western Civilization come from, they come from Christianity. I won't go through the Bible showing how the positive elements derive from there since that is clearly pointless.
You are so thoroughly misinformed that correcting that on this board is not practical.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
As the leaks show, its just how the USA works. They threaten the other government in many ways, possibly even blackmail using that DNA, passwords, credit card info that they have been gathering...
Details are not need, simply tell your slave its their problem you just want results ASAP or else! They will come up with something on their own. Sex is a common tool to use and the locals must know they have bad laws on rape... In the process of looking into the man, they'd figure out there was more than 1 woman rather quickly and when the women find out about each other is the best time to make your move. Wouldn't be hard to let the women find out about each other.
Then you have the pressure employed on the gov to do the dirty work for the USA, they employ their own pressure to get their job done. Possibly more since they are desperate to get the pressure off their back and onto the target. The women may give in to pressure as well and if they do not they will likely have a harder time.
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Your "perfect" time in history is prehistoric Anatolia?
indeed, possibly it is. we know a lot about it actually. even this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
You say that they didn't have any weapons, yet this article [ishtarsgate.com] talks about men being ceremoniously buried with weapons made of obsidian. Other references I came across suggest that there is no sound basis for concluding that they had a matriarchal society (or that they didn't. There is insufficient evidence to reach a conclusion one way or the other).
they had matriarchal societies. however, anatolia is a migration region. and matriarchal societies were eventually overcome and destroyed by patriarchal, migratory hordes. due to the size of anatolia compared to the size of communities present then, it was possible to have numerous different cultures. that continued even until alexander the greek's time.
Basically, your knowledge of Scandinavian history is much the same...mostly propaganda with little basis in actual observable fact.
yeah. i will now just go into typing a huge heap of text telling about the invasions of scandinavian tribes into NW roman empire, and the culture change they brought ..... not. i dont have that much time.
As for where the positive traits of Western Civilization come from, they come from Christianity
i didnt know i was attempting to discuss with a witless zealot. excuse me, im bailing out of this discussion.
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Left vs Right is a false dichotomy to begin with.
The typical "left" is usually less opposed to changes to new things than the "right" which tends to cling to past memories or current status. The "real world" is complex and not likely to map to any world view so the side who's less attached to their current state is going to have less cognitive dissonance to deal with. The "right" generally has A TON of cognitive dissonance going on these days you are probably better off defining them by that because its the most common thread they have.
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Nope, he's not married and there are no 4 witnesses etc, so no stoning for you.
Sex without risks is called masturbation.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Only a fool (or a naive teenager or 20 something) wouldn't see that the exact same argument applies to governments.
Now do yourself a favour and grow the fuck up.
Good catch, maa shaa'a Allah. You are right, but only if he does not confess in relations. If he does, then he would still get lashing.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
I am not forcing my views on you. Where did you get that? It's your armies that are killing my brothers and sisters.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
That wasn't the issue here. Assange isn't accused of not being able to stop en orgasm, but to stop having sex before that.
Are you saying they have mobile Internet out in the mountainous border regions of Afghanistan? I can't get a reliable mobile connection where I am, and we have multi-story office buildings and roads and cars and everything :-(
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
When are the leaks about Wikileaks coming out?
people's base motivations and the ways to manipulate them did not change throughout history. it is always repeating itself.
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Only a fucking idiot would compare govt to a private organisation. Tehre is a difference you know-A govt belongs to the people, a private organisation does not.
Do yourself a favour and stop blindly supporting govt asshole.