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alexbgreat writes "What do you think is the best set of head-mounted loudspeakers for the money, with a cost of less than $50? Here are some featuresthat would be stupendous to have (in descending order of importance): noise isolation (not cancellation), flat/near flat response (I need to be able to hear bass, but I don't need my eardrums blown out), long-term comfort (earbuds usually hurt for me), and durability. Over-ear is preferred to anything on- or in-ear. Boom mics are permissible, as I may well use it as a broadcast intercom headset."
If you have experience using headphones from different price ranges, feel free to share that as well.
My 20 dollar white sonys from walmart are excellent. Dont know the model # off hand. But like I said 20 bones walmart.
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Downside: almost transparent to sound. People can hear what you're listening to and the isolation you get is next to none. Still, audio quality is great for the price, they're light and very comfortable.
So try CL and get a bottle of alcohol to wipe down that stolen pair of Bang and Olfsens.
I bought two pairs of Monoprice 8323's and I think they are fantastic. I keep one at home and the other at work.
I've never been disappointed with anything I've bought from Monoprice.
These same headphones are available from other people (Kicker and others) for significantly more money.
these are fantastic for the money (a little above budget at approx. 70$ on ebay in canada). i'd say the bass response is a little underwhelming but i got used to them.
And they are "Studio standards" - AKG-240M. Big, comfy and accurate. Not as good as $200 Bose or Sennheisers, but a fuckton better than most of the other crap out there.
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If you can find some decent noise cancelling buds for that cheap I'd go with them. You're unlikely to get decent on/over ear anythings for that price IMHO.
They're about 12 bucks on Amazon (more if you want the iPhone model), but they're cheap, comfortable and pretty durable. Sound is fine, but I'm no audiophile so I can't really tell the difference between earbud sound quality when I'm listening to MP3s.
I know they get a lot of greif around here, but their earbuds have interchangeable tips to size them for your ear canal (S/M/L included) and they are $100. I use mine at work and for earbuds they are amazing (fidelity wise), and comfort is very good. I have a set of the $300 over ear QC15 (to replace my old QC1's) and I like them fine, but they are not nearly as good a bang for the buck as the earbuds.
When I am doing actual audio/video work I have an ancient set of JBLs that I wear for the detail work and a pair of nice monitor speakers for actual previews, but I don't think you could find anything close to that for reasonable cost (hence why I still use the ancient ones).
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I've got a pair of Senheiser HD650's so old the foam padding needs to be replaced and they are frickin' awesome.
I can wear them for 10+ hours a day, 7 days a week, in absolute comfort. They don't touch my ears at all, just the top of my head and the side of my head.
And they sound magic.
They're a full order of magnitude more than your price range, but worth every cent, and you can find them secondhand.
Monoprice's $23 headphones have gotten some pretty good reviews:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57337747-47/how-good-can-$21.59-headphones-be/?tag=mncol;txt)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608453/monoprice-dj-headphones-8323-review
They sound good to me, but I'm not a serious audiophile, I just use them to cover up background office noise. I think the sound is comparable to the $80 Sennheiser's I use at home. (which, a friend tells me are completely unbearable compared to his $500 Sennheiser HD650's, so I refuse to listen to music through his headphones, 'lest some of his "golden ears" rub off and I find myself needing more expensive gear)
or Head-Fi. They aren't audiophile dumbasses but also they aren't the broke neckbeard losers that inhabit slashdot listening to their $5 Jensen headphones.
You should be able to get a pair of sennheisers that fit around your ear.
It's could be worth paying extra at that price range and what ever is on special that closed and around the ear would work.
I have the 280s and they are pretty good for isolation.
but check headphone solutions or earphone solutions dot com
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I don't think many audiophile sites will even review pairs in that price range, so I'm afraid you're going to end up with Sony, Sennheiser, etc.. (mass market brands)
buy a couple different pairs from amazon and just see which sound best to you. return the rest (read the small print for canal buds or in ear type - returns might not be allowed because of hygiene issues).
i tried about 6 to 8 different pairs of over the ear cans... returned all but the Beyer Dynamics for the house and for my commute Westone 3s. Both well out of your price range though. Until I discovered "good" headphones and a DAC to go with.. I used Sony MDR71's and Grado SR81s (sony $40, Grado $100) music only, no mic.
HeadRoom tests more headphones than probably anyone. They're unbiased enough to say when a $40 pair is better than $100 pair that they sell.
If you want comfort and ultimate noise blocking you can do a DIY version. I made a pair and they were fantastic and comfortable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmk-y_9exJ8&feature=player_embedded
Just pick up a set of decent earbuds, I used skullcandy ones when I did mine, and a radians custom earplug kit ($11).
http://www.amazon.com/Radians-Custom-Molded-Earplugs-Red/dp/B002XULPSQ
I have an Andrea headset I find fairly comfortable (http://www.andreaelectronics.com/Buy/headsets.htm). The only thing I dislike is that the mic seems to require a battery power pre-amp that has no on-off switch, so the battery dies often. Otherwise, I like the sound, and the mic quality is pretty good. I wouldn't consider it an audiophile headset though.
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Wearing a pair of Sennheiser 280's right now. I've had them for a few years, best money I've ever spent. They're durable and block out a fair bit of office noise. They sound great, too, they're a nice upgrade from the crappy $20 pairs you can find everywhere else. Perfect office headphone, also use them as monitors for my synthesizer.
Uhm, no. I have had a pair of the Sony 7506's for about 10 years now.
I just replaced them with the Sennheiser 38o pro. There is no contest. The senns sound clear, clean, with an excellent soundstage. The 7506 sound mushy / boomy.
Go read other people's reviews / rankings at head-fi.org for confirmation.
You actually are in luck. I spent like a year playing around and tinkering with all sorts of configs. What I found is that there is not a lot of information or data on this. So here is what I did find, and I welcome any different perspectives because quite frankly I can't find anything else:
Ignore gaming headsets or anything with a mic integrated. They are universally terrible. I've tested the Creative $60 one (only good for bass--mids and highs are distorted and sound very fuzzy), the Cooler Master Storm Sirus (sounded weak, volume was waaaaay too low even at highest settings & then at the highest the sound gets distorted, and only good bass comes from the left ear but not both), the supposed well-reccomended Corsair one (which was absolutely pathetic--no bass and all sounds sounded flat and no vibrancy). So the solution is to get a good pair of true stereo headphones, which are cheap $40-80, and if you must have surround sound, pair it with a sound card that does 3D upmixing. I have an old an old Creative X-Fi (ExtremeMusic I think--drivers don't recognize it properly--I think I have a XtremeGamer but it will only install extrememusic). It's pretty bad that I use a $35 pair of Sennheiser earbuds and overall it sounds better than any of those $100+ headsets. Yes, with earbuds it lacks significant bass and it's clear but not crisp clear, but I bet you a good set of stereo cans with a dedi sound card will be phenomenal. Those earbuds I mentioned are pretty damn good for earbuds, and pretty cheap. 300% better than earbuds thrown in electronics. But then again you don't want earbuds and I agree with you. I freaking hate them. It's just that I havent' gotten around to trying the JVC Harx something or the Grado SR60. I can't think of their exact names, but supposedly they deliver clear at all levels and hearty bass. But then again that's what I read. And astroturfing is so prevalent.
Best advice though is go to a place where you can TRY IT ON and listen to it. Seriously. Even if something is settled on, try it on before you buy it! An uncomfy headset is the absolute worst. I couldn't bare wearing that damn Creative headset because the small tight leather cups drove me mad. And an uncomfy headset will.
... except Grados all commonly have the mid-range boosted, with only some noticeable bass (not the reproduction of it, but rather impact of the bass), and weird treble characteristics. It's highly coloured, and it's not detailed. Bowl models, depending on your ears, are still superaural rather than more comfortable circumaural. It's good for rocking out without being fatigued for long wearing due to its light weight and easy potential for modding, but it's no replacement for a good home speaker setup.
Guy wanted flat response. Your response is entirely wrong from get-go.
Koss Porta Pro don't just look retro, they're the real deal. They've been mostly unchanged since 1984, and Amazon has sold them since 1990 (up to 1,200 reviews now). It's nice to see a company stand behind a product instead of cycling them every 6 months.
From an audiophile with stupidly expensive headphones, DACs, and amps to power them, and no $50 cables:
The Superlux HD668b have the most impressive bang for your buck I've ever seen. At $50 ($30-40 if you look around), they easily match other cans $200-300 in quality. They are super analytical monitors—you won't get that V-shaped response that most people find pleasing. If it happens you like that type of response (many people requesting a flat response don't actually realize how accustomed they've become to non-flat), they'll still keep up with an EQ-ed source like a champ.
Every time I go to get a pair of headphones they that damn asymmetric cord as if everyone has their mp3 player in the left back pocket and needs the left side of the cord shorter. Sorry but this really bothers me and no one is mentioning it.
If it's audio quality you want, grab the HD650's. But they are open-back, so no isolation whatsoever. If you want/need isolation, go for the HD280 Pros. They're comfortable enough to wear all day and have massive amounts of noise cancelling without any electronics whatsoever.
I am a happy owner of Sennheiser's PX 200 IIi. There is a less expensive version which doesn't have the microphone and iPod/iPhone controls in the cord. They are over the ear, not around, but the seal is still good enough that ambient noise is at least subdued. I can use them on flights without going up to full volume. I had to go this direction because every headphone with noise cancellation gave me motion sickness. You'll probably pay more than $50, but you get what you pay for.
I'm streaming from Magnatune to my Bose QC 15 right now.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
I was under the impression hardly anyone could tell the difference between lossless and a v0 mp3 on even pretty decent gear....
I bought a nice pair of AKG earbuds a couple years ago. AKG has a reputation for quality, and many years before I'd bought a Realistic-branded set of AKG circumaural headphones that were awesome. Alas I couldn't enjoy them any more because they caused me physical pain, from pressure and bruising of cartilage, because my ears had grown too large (ears keep growing)... or something. I'd bought several other circumaural brands, thinking I could find one that didn't hurt, but they ALL caused pain after perhaps a half hour. So in desperation I bought the earbuds.
They had really great sound, excellent response, but I couldn't use them: any jaw or body movement, or vibration or movement of the attached cords, was strongly audible. This vibrational noise(?) was so strong it made enjoyment of the intended audio impossible. I seem to have the symptoms of what is called hyperacusis, so perhaps that extra sensitivity is the cause for me. Do earbuds cause the same problem for most other people? I haven't seen widespread complaints, and their wild popularity seems to suggest otherwise.
My last sonic line of defense has been the discovery of a Philips-branded earphone that isn't an earbud but rather hooks loosely over the outside of the ear and rests just "at" the ear canal, rather than inside it. They're not the greatest audio quality, BUT they cause me no physical pain at all and so can be worn for extended periods without the conscious distraction of pain. I have two sets now, and will probably wind up buying more as backups just in case Philips decides to stop production.
Anyone need a barely used set of AKG earbuds...?
Since Amazon was established in 1994, the 1990 date obviously means something else...
I had to decide: mod you up or respond with agreement. Pretty much anything Grado makes is an incredible value, but their "lower-end" headphones are a BARGAIN. The consumer brands otherwise mentioned here are toys in comparison. (Except maybe the upper tier Sennheisers.)
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I am hard on gear. I use an Otterbox case for my iPhone, if I did not I would have destoyed it long ago.
VMODA headphones are great sounding, but not the absolute best. What makes them the best ear buds is the quality of the wiring and the offset plug on the cable that makes them last far longer than other brands.
I have had other high end earphones that died within a few weeks to months becasue the wire broke internally. The offset plug on the vmoda headphones prevents the majority of severe strains on the wire when you bump the phone with the headphones plugged into an object. The wire breaking internally at the plug is where all of my non VMODA headphones have died. My VMODA ear buds far outlast any other brand I have tried including Sennheiser, Bose, and Shure.
I've wasted something like $300, testing out sub-$60 headphones, and I have found absolutely nothing matching the quality of the Kicker HP541s. I'm not a fancy audiophile, I won't draw line graphs for you with frequency response, because that's all tripe anyway (most adult humans can't hear over 18 KHz), but I will tell you that they are the best pair of cans you can get for anything less than $100.
The bass is phenomenal at high volumes (Kicker, heh), the sound is very crisp and flat, the earcups are made of genuine leather, they also spin 180 degrees to sit outwards, so if you have a portable amplifier like the Fiio, and I think this is the best test - you can raise the volume enough that they become actual speakers sitting on your neck, and they DON'T DISTORT or crack! Also, make sure your media library is FLAC, or at least 256 kbps MP3. You will hear the artifacts in your music with any bit-rate anything less than that.
For a cheaper alternative, without the $400-pair-of-headphones feel like the Kickers have, I'd recommend the Sennheiser 202's, which are in the $20-$30 range.
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I have the Grado Labs SR60i, and they cost about $79, but they sure sound great. Check them out at http://www.gradolabs.com/page_headphones.php?item=f4ba8830232696b5f580bd531134b668
I purchased them online from http://goodcans.com/HeadphoneStore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=83&zenid=16a9581e498c2dc5bd2481384bd45a74
They are especially known for their flat frequency response, and allowing you to hear what other headphones can not reproduce. In my experience, this has been the case. They are incredibly well-built, for the price. The cable for them is very flexible, but also rather thick. I am very happy with them.
I have several... many... sets of Skullcandy earbuds. Though I've experienced uncomfortable earbuds before, that isn't the case at all for me with these. The only contact with your ear is a very soft, squishy "mushroom" of silicone/rubber. I can't imagine any over-ear headphones that would be more comfortable, personally.
And, the bass and noise isolation is excellent. Their "base models" are cheap, with little discernable quality compromise from their higher-end. At the price, I'd suggest trying one--they may challenge your preconceptions of what you are looking for.
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While the Sennheiser HD 280 PROs are about double the asked for price range, I think they're worth every penny. They're good for about 30 db of noise cancellation, have an excellent and balanced response across the audio spectrum, and stellar audio reproduction. I've had mine nearly three years now, and I use them about 20 hours per week (about 3000 hours of usage so far). I still absolutely love them, and if I ever needed to replace them, I would get the same model in a heartbeat.
Considering my cost per hour usage is about $0.04 and dropping, and the headphone will easily last 10,000 hours, spending a little extra money is absolutely worth it in my opinion to get some totally amazing ear cans. I've heard several people say they like them better than the $500 headphones they've tried, so they're also a bargain in any sense. You would not be disappointed!
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I used primarily the HD-580 for about seven years, until I switched to Stax electrostatic headphones (Omega 3, that cost about $5000). The 580 were around $250 when I bought them new on eBay and one could probably find them now for $200. Over this time period I auditioned several dozen headphones (I don't have speakers as I move frequently) and in the under $250 range there's nothing that compares. It's a sort of a sweet spot. Anything above that price point is an incremental improvement; most things below are a significant degradation. Even the $5K Stax are not that greatly better (but hey, felt good to buy myself a little present, and it was an excuse to build a high voltage hybrid solid state/tube headphone amp instead of plunking another $5K after one... http://gilmore.chem.northwestern.edu/bluehawaii_moda1.png )
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I went to target, 20$, it is great for playing video games with friends and chatting on Team Speak.
My previous headset was the overly hardware laden Microsoft Sidewinder from late 90s or early 2000s, and I had it to play Warcraft3 with friends. Voice chat is invaluable for RTS. Our team was the best in the world at the time 200wins 1loss(from my teammates screwing around).
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The earbuds that came with the Zune HD were and still are the best padded earbuds I've ever owned. The second best were the earbuds that came with XM MyFi portable satellite radio.
Despite searching for years I have never found the OEM for these two models of earbuds. I recently found a few new/old stock Zune HD earbuds to replace my old pair and to keep me going until I find something comparable.
I don't prefer the sound isolation "ear canal" headphones because it messes with the pressure in my ears and the cables cause noise when brushing against anything.
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I have one of these which I bought about 10 years ago. Back then I think I paid $150, but anyway, they are comfortable, do a very good job of cutting out external sound, and the frequency response is wonderful. Deep but not overpowering bass, all the way up to clear, crisp highs.
I bought them as I was the sound technician for my large church's praise band. Even worshipping in a large, acoustically horrible gym, with these headphones on it was wonderful to hear just the band (or individual instruments depending on how I configured our sound board) regardless of other noise, kids crying, etc.
And oh, can they handle it. 3 watts of power, which is insane for headphones. Playing around with them and our sound board, I could get them past 120dB according to my sound meter, and they just refused to distort at all.
No really, you don't have to have golden ears to hear the difference. Either take the time to burn tracks from CDs into a totally loss-less format like FLAC or do what I do and screw digital music for now, it's not ready for prime time- buy used CDs they're literally sonically perfect, (even too perfect for some vinyl lovers).
Agreed! Perfection is overrated!
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
I've heard essentially every Grado headphone that has been available at headphone.com over the years. And they are all--without exception--colored. They are for people that like that particular sound. For an all-around great headphone at mid-price level, Sennheisers can't be beat. The HD-580 were my mainstay for years, until I recently went all in and got Stax Omega 3s.
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I don't actually know much about headphones, but Koss has a fairly wide variety of them at different price points, and, most importantly, all of them have a lifetime warranty.
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Seriously? Is this the kind of deeply technical questions that the diversified and experienced /. community is supposed to answer? Is this becoming Yahoo Answers?
And to the poster (because the first paragraph was to the editors), just take some time to type something into google and head over to:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/26/ask-engadget-best-over-the-ear-headphones/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/04/ask-engadget-best-passive-noise-cancelling-headphones/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/ask-engadget-best-usb-headset-for-skype-calls-and-podcasting/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/11/ask-engadget-best-non-gaming-wireless-headphones/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/ask-engadget-best-non-ugly-noise-cancelling-bluetooth-headset/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/01/ask-engadget-best-earbuds-for-outdoor-fitness-use/
At least you will get more detailed answers and consistent comparisons. And I won't have to do the google typing for you.
Under 60, Sennheiser px100-ii.
if its not listed move on, cause its crap
generally I like it when its low end is below 20Hz and its high end is above 20Khz, I have a pair of sony's that my wife bought me, maybe 20 bucks thats 18Hz and 21Hz and they still sound a bit muddy (yes I am a bit of a snob), but they are well balanced over the frequency range and for 20 dollar or so headphones are quite adequate for my snotty taste, probably sounding pretty good to your average person.
The above opinion has also been echoed by quite a few studio musicians, pretty darn good, and when they break them shuffling gear from studio to stage no big whoop, though they dont have a mic (sony MDR-V150). But the point remains, look at the driver specs, go low, go high, something like 50,15K is going to sound like a brass horn and nothing else. If they do not list frequency response then just move on, they will be nothing but ear damaging crap.
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Whats the driver?
If its your PC/Laptop. over the ear "HEADPHONES" will do.
Sennhieser RS110 or similar(HD series) all have excellent quality. Truly amazing.
However, if its your tiny mp3 player, in ear is the only way to go
I use a Soundmagic PL-21 which cost 20$, and are excellent. With your budget, you can get sennhieser or Klipsch image S4 etc.,
Again, I have listened, and they sound better than the soundmagic.
That said, my budget was $25(for creative nano), and PL-21 came out to be the best
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In general, I've never really found that expensive headphones are worth it due to their tendency to break. Myself I'm using a cheap pair of Phillips in-ear headphones, I don't think they cost more than $15, fit pretty comfortable for long terms and have decent enough sound quality, at least for me. Of course, I'm not much of an audiophile and mostly use my headphones for listening to music in bed, throwing them in my pocket and using them with my laptop/phone while in a car (passenger of course), listening to music at a coffee shop and occasionally when walking.
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These are out of your price range (~$100), but these are the most comfortable headphones. No torture of the ears, no sweating, and awesome sound.
Oh, and they are purple.
Get Ety HF series that work with phone OS you use. I bought a set of the HF2's for my Droid and love them. They're crisp and clear, without the artificial overpowering bass that most earbuds on the market have. The sound seperation is excellent as well. I have a set of Audio Technica NC cans, which are nice headphones, but I highly prefer the sound of the Ety's over those.
On top of that, the sound isolation is excellent and I find them to be some of the most comfortable in canal phones I've used. Plus, for and additional $100.00 you can get fitted for custom buds that are molded for your ear canal.
Amazon carries them for $120.00 or so. Well worth it.
that's hardly a fair comparison... sure the sennheisers sound better, but they cost twice the price - they had better sound better.
I have two pairs of 7506s, one nearly 20 years old. they still sound great.
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-202-Professional-Headphones/dp/B003LPTAYI/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1339557323&sr=1-2
These are the ones I bought a while back because I heard good things about the company itself (and my hearing is so shot, I don't think a pair of $500 headphones will do me much good.) Someone also gave me some Skullcandy G.I. over the ear headphones (they look horrid, but they are comfortable and sound great, with the "one cord", it doesn't tangle quite as much...) I did notice the mix of the latest Candlemass CD sounded a bit better to me on the Skullcandy phones, but that's personal preference (and you can gather from my taste in music why my hearing's shot to hell.)
http://www.amazon.com/Skullcandy-G-I-Micd-11-Headphones/dp/B0044U5FHK/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1339557489&sr=1-7&keywords=skullcandy+g.i.+over+ear+headphones
I didn't pay for these, so I figure they're great because well, they were free. :) But they sound pretty good. Both headsets are comfortable for long listening sessions. I'd give the edge to the Sennheiser ones.
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You can find them used on eBay. They sound good, they can be had for well under $50, and they are built to take some serious abuse - these are made for music listening kiosks. If you need a good set of beater headphones, or even just a cheap set of cans, look no further.
I LOVE my SR-530's I had been using the ones that came with my iPod, and it was like AM vs. FM radio. You get what you pay for. And yes, FLAC all the way, off my own CD's. If you are listening to MP3's, use a tin can and a string, you won't know the difference!
Muzx XY earbuds are absolutely the best i've heard for the price. (under 20$) I am currently sitting in front of 20k$ in sound gear at my personal desk, if your wondering about my credentials. http://www.alteclansing.com/ae/us/headphones/muzx+reg-xy-mzx126w/invt/mzx126w/
Relatively neutral sound, comfy around-the-ear fit, available in two cord lengths for portable or studio use, list at $99, available on web 'refurbished' (yeah... sure..) for as little as $40.
Okay at noise blocking.
Surprisingly good sound.
They've been pretty durable over 1 year of constant portable use.
Ear buds never stay in my ears. These are hooks, so they stay put. They stay comfortable in my ears even after extended listening. They isolate noise well, and they have a great sound. For the price, they can't be beat!
http://www.usa.philips.com/c/headphones/shs8100_28/prd/
Are you on drugs? Audio frequency EM waves have zero biological effect. Zero. Not to mention the power lines in your house emit a shitload more of audio frequency (60 Hz) EM waves due to the far larger current that runs through them vs headphone coils and more than makes up for the increased distance between you and a wall.
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I used to travel a LOT, on business - I bought these over-the-ear earphones for about $10 at Hel*Mart - they had about 40% better frequency response than the Sony ones that cost twice as much... Unfortunately, lost the last pair, and haven't been able to find the exact same ones again - but check out Panasonic headphones, definitely.
I can keep them in for hours. Blocks out the whole world while I am out doing needed evils (like shopping). I cannot really hear people who may want to talk with me as I do not want to talk with them. Very little noise out for other people to hear. I LOVE THESE HEADPHONES.
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Screw digital music? Then you recommend a used CD? Are there analog CDs?
So we shouldn't even try, right?
Just sit back, drop another Xanax and keep blindly handing money to the people that are actively trying to screw us because, hey, it's unavaoidable, right?
You can take it that I disagree with your view of things.
A big +1 on the cheaper Grados.
As a non-audiophile I was blown away when a friend lent me his backup pair of SR-80s. I didn't know music could sound like that...
If only they didn't leak sound... but the open design is exactly what makes them sound as clear as they are.
Best sub $100 purchase I've ever made.
I'm going to answer the headline as it applies to me, rather than trying to match the details specified in the body. When i'm at work or at home i prefer regular headphones with flat foam coverings. Not the kind that go around your hear, but the kind that rest on top. A couple caveats, the foam has to be soft, not scratchy, and the band can't be too tight or it will pinch my ears. I bought a disastrous pair a while back that have a "cup" design like it's mean to go around your ear, but are actually designed to go on top of it, so the edge of the cup presses down all long the rim of your ear. This was combined with a very stiff headband that made them incredibly annoying to wear. I actually broke the headband by accident trying to stretch it out, but that did result in making them loose enough to tolerate.
When i'm out, usually exercising, going for a walk somewhere, or just out doing some shopping or whatever, i prefer the earbud style headphones that actually have a plastic loop attached that goes over your ear to old them on. Regular earbuds just fall out when i try to use them, or i shove them in so hard they hurt, and then after a few minutes they fall out anyways. The plastic loop keeps them in place without applying significant pressure. And since there's no headband you can still easily fit them in your pocket when you're not using them.
I don't really have a favorite brand or model number for either of those types, usually i just pick up whatever looks decent and is moderately priced at Radio Shack or Amazon. Apparently i'm not much of an audiophile.
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If you're looking for headphones for your mobile, I would recommend ditching the wires and going bluetooth. For example: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/accessory/bh-505/
There are cheaper and worse model, and these are probably slightly over your budget (they're around 50 EUR), but you get excellent noise isolation and good sound quality alongside great battery life.
I've wanted to get a good set of headphones with mic for use with the Mac... which means it must be USB capable. Everything I've tried so far is crap. The Creative USB connector has fallen apart on three of them so far. I don't want to have to get a separate mic because I use it with a laptop and it's just annoying to have that many cables. Anyone have any recommendations?
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Honestly, I would be quite surprised to find a decent pair of headphones (sound and comfort-wise) for less than $100. For less than $50 you can probably get something light and comfy, but it'll be crap for sound quality and isolation. Or you can find something that isolates well, but squeezes your brains out your nose and sounds like the inside of a garbage can. But once you hit the $100 mark, then you start to have some real choices. I've had three pairs of MDR V6's, and for the money, I have yet to find anything close in terms of sound, isolation, and comfort. BUT - Sony has turned the physical *quality* of these headphones into utter garbage. The first pair I had lasted 10 years with pretty hard abuse. The second pair made it 2 years before literally falling apart. They also changed the material used to make the spiral phono cord into that horrid Sony patented TangleMatic crap that got so bad that I finally chopped the damnable thing off and put on my own shorter straight cord, as any 'studio monitor' should have in the first place. My third pair is already dying (cushions) after less than a year, and the cord is getting snipped this weekend.
The sound range on the V6's is incredible for the money, but damnitall, Sony has dropped the ball on quality and that alone makes them a poor choice today.
I've tried a lot of headphones and earbuds, and these are my recommendations:
earbuds:
klipsch s2m - $50 - great isolating earbuds with decent sound, easy to insert and cheap. (I got them for about $30)
klipsch s4i - $99 - great sound and isolation, but a bit harder to put in (wrap around back of ears)
headphones:
sennheiser hd201 - less than $20 -- great isolating, over the ear sound for cheap.
sennheiser hd5xx - $$ - I've owned the HD580 (wore them out!) and HD595 models and love them. Comfortable for hours and hours. Only quibble is they use 1/4" jacks which nothing uses nowadays. You might want to check the PC3xx series for headphones with mic.
also the guys at http://www.heaphone.com/ give great advice (not affiliated with them in any way)
Since you said a Mic boom wasn't a deal breaker grab up a pair of the cheap Turtle Beach ones from wallmart. I think they cost about $40 or so.
They are a bit bassy but not horribly so and the noise isolation is pretty much on par with strong earplugs when you put them on. I had to bend the top arc out a bit on mine because they pinched a bit too hard ( I wear glasses ) but now I can wear them for hours without even noticing them.
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I'd stretch to 70ish bucks and grab a pair of these - pro quality and sound in an affordable price (at $75 right now in Amazon). Paraphrasing Commodore: "You can't buy a better headphone set at twice the price."
AKG Acoustics K-240 Semi Open Studio Headphones
Can't beat them at $80.00 USD. Very detailed sound.
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Yeah you're right, they're really widely considered to be just so-so...
"The SR325s are easily the flattest, most accurate sounding phones tested, for critical monitoring, the Grados are hard to beat. Of all the phones tested, the SR325s were the only headphones I felt trustworthy enough for mixing."
--Pro Audio Review / Vol. 4, No. 6 / Loren Alldrin
"Winner of Audio Video's "GRAND PRIX AWARD"
-- Audio magazine / Vol. 82, No. 6 / John Gatski
"...the engineer I assisted preferred the Grado's diamond-like 'clarity and cut' to the sound of the Sennheiser HD-650s."
-- John Marks / stereophile, vol.28 no 6
"...speakers of similar sonic ability as the 325i would set you back at least three grand"
--What Hi-fi
"...the degree of insight these headphones offer into sounds is really very impressive. This is high quality music reproduction, thoroughly deserving of serious attention."
--Richard Black / Hi-FiChoice magazine
"This headphone has something magic: a rare musicality that preserves the natural elegance of the music. The medium is refreshing, natural and sensual. The richness of the harmonics in the medium pulls you in. The instruments have a credible texture. The spectral balance is good. The timbres are rich and at time exceptional. The definition is flawless; the music keeps its nuances and richness of expression."
--Diapason magazine / France
I'm not an audiophile but I disagree.
I have a pair of Koss UR20 headphones that sound great (to me) but isolate very well (sometimes I'll just put them on to drown out the office chatter). They sound decent enough for me listening to techno (which has a rather wide range of frequencies). Now I've never listened to a $1000 pair of headphones before so I can't compare, but they sound a whole lot better than my earbuds (which are great for running, the Koss' not so much).
It's an old old argument form , like the 80s and I am not going to go carry it forward beyond explaining the basics of it to people who have never heard it which is what I just did.
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I don't know if these are the $20 Sony's posted about earlier, but I love my pair. They can usually be found for around $25 and they're great. Because they have the loop that goes around your ear they rest on the outside of your ear, never fall off accidentally, are ear buds, and don't go deep into your ear canal (that really bothers me). Possibly an audiophile might find issue with them, but I have yet to think that anything I was hearing with those earbuds was worse because of them.
Being a DJ and a gear head, I've spent lots of time and thought on what to buy and I've made quite a few trials. In my experience you need to look at exactly what you are going to be doing with the headphones (or speakers for that matter). If you are going to be doing recording, you want to get a very good set, and by very good, I mean very unforgiving. They need to reproduce the sound as accurately as possible. The problem with these is that they are too good to listen to most MP3 recordings. They are so good that they expose lower quality recordings to the point that they sound bad. Those same MP3s will sound much better on cheaper, more forgiving speakers and headphones. Since you mentioned $50 as your budget, you won't have a problem.
If you're looking to do broadcast quality, you're not going to find anything acceptable anywhere near your price point. And headsets intended for intercom usage tend to be mono. I've worn many a pair of Telex, Clearcom, and Production Intercom headsets. Their fairly decent at killing external noise, but for a decent double ear pair (mono) with a quality mic, you're looking at $200 - $300 for a pair. Of course, we might have two different definitions of broadcast quality. Mine is "needs to be intelligible to stage crew regardless of what other ambient noise is going on/plays nice with professional PA systems".
Agreed on the MDR-V6es. I still have my late-80's pair. Best audio investment I've made.
FYI, you can get replacement ear foam cushions as a relatively inexpensive Sony spare part. I believe I got my last pair from Sweetwater.
I'm morally opposed to buying or recommending Sony products, but I have made a solitary exception for the MDR-V6es. They are that good for the price. It's a shame the quality has apparently declined lately.
In that price range you'd be hard pressed to beat the Koss Porta Pro. Very old-school styling, on-ear, and no isolation, but the sound is really good for the price.
My upscale headphones are AKG 501s, driven with a homemade PPA amplifier with a custom bass-boost filter designed to compensate for the bass rolloff in the headphones themselves.
If you want isolation, you're either looking at DJ-style headphones or else isolating earbuds. I can't help you there.
I would disagree. You can easily find some nice phones for reasonable price. The Grados were always highly rated (and considered under-priced) with the 60s available for just around the $50 price limit (over $50 but not by much)
And, if you want an enclosed set, the Monoprice 8323 are hard to beat and would beat most other enclosed phones in the under $200 price range and they are under $25.
However, if you really want the best, yes, they cost - but "decent" is available, just not from consumer brands like Sony.
Audio CD is not "sonically perfect". Actually they sound pretty shit compared to what ALAC and FLAC are capable of.
Except there is no recording available to the questioner of the original 24 studio recording for most music and "mastered for iTunes is lossy and yes, you can hear it (well, maybe not YOU)
From http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2012/02/24/147379760/what-mastered-for-itunes-really-means
If the implication there, that we haven't been treating our portable, compressed audio files with proper care, makes you think that Apple is finally moving toward a hi-def format, you'd be wrong. Instead, the company is asking bands and their labels to submit songs to the store that are encoded as AAC files directly from the original, 24-bit studio recordings.
In Apple's calculation, mastering a song or album "for iTunes" means that it'll sound better while remaining just as portable as the encoded files we're accustomed to packing by the thousands onto our phones and mobile devices.
The piece then goes on to say that "mastered for iTunes just means "given tools to make the 24 bit studio recording sound better when it's compressed into the standard apple ACC format . So it sounds "better" the way the Dolby button makes things "sound better", which is to say with a lot of artifacts added that some people find compelling . I leave that button "off" myself.
So until studios start saving the recordings to Apple's lossless format - which is NOT what "Mastered for iTunes" means -, the poster is going to have to be comparing 16 bit CDs to lossy formats.
I have sat in the studio while professional music was being performed and and recorded. Something is lost from the performance even in 24 bit. 24 bit does sound better than CDs but unless you have the master tapes to burn to FLAC, it's a moot point. Some bands are releasing true 24 bit recordings on their own. Most music is not available in the original 24 bit and re-recording it INTO 24 bit is not going to improve it.
ALAC is as good as FLAC sonically. I meant to say ACC and typed the wrong thing. My bad and I stand corrected.
I hope this thread helps the OP. To the many faces of AC who just can't resist being freaking nassssty over trifling things , well the cure for you is structural and in place already; that's what the 0 by your comment is there for...
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I've heard the Senns and I thought they were colored so there ya go !
Staxs also make good headphones, you're right.
There's only one answer to this question: Koss PortaPro. I have owned many different over the ear headphones (I have hearing aids). I have $200 Beyerdynaics, I have $80 Grados, I have $90 Sennsheisers (two different kinds), I've had some crappy Pioneers. And more not worth mentioning. The PortaPro's are absolutely incredible for the size and price. And they're highly sensitive so you can get good volume on an airplane from a low powered portable device. The only problem is *zero* noise isolation. But that's good for me since I run 40 miles per week with them. They also have a lifetime warranty. My sweat blows out a phone about every 2 months. I send them, and $9 back to Koss and get a new pair. I have two pair so I can have one working while waiting for the other. I'm a lifetimer for PortaPros. Just get them.
No troll. This is what I have concluded based on what has been available and Neil Young agrees with me about lossy formats.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/neil-young-mp3-dsd-digital-music-audio,news-14088.html
So there!
Hi. I cover in-ear headphones for Macworld. I've got a reasonable amount of experience with other styles as well. Long-time /. reader.
First of all, Tyll Hertsens, founder of online headphone merchant HeadRoom, has a relatively new site focusing on headphone reviews, news, etc. He's got his buyer's guide, the "Wall of Fame". All of his recommendations are quite good:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame
We've also got our own buyer's guide at Macworld, but it's updated right before the holiday buying season, so it's missing some newer models:
http://www.macworld.com/article/1144708/headphones_buying_guide_2010.html
Good $50 on-ears are hard to find, particularly with a microphone. The Monoprice model mentioned in other posts is a great deal. If you could go up to $100 you could get some really great stuff—though I'm not sure about finding something with a microphone.
Buy the best sound quality headphones, without caring for noise isolation, that you can get for 40 bucks.
Then buy a pair of hearing protectors at the hardware store and hack the speakers into them.
If you're feeling a bit more adventurous, buy some good earbuds for the mids/highs and some so-so 1" speakers for the lows and do the same thing.
Some posts have already mentioned the more expensive Grado headphones, but I had not seen any mention the iGrado. The iGrado is priced right at the $50 mark the OP asked for and use the drivers from the slightly more expensive SR60i model. I personally own an SR80, before they came out with the i designation, and still think they sound better than anything else I have tried, as I prefer the greater bass they put out than the SR60 and iGrado models. The OP did want a flat sound level, and I think the iGrado model seems to hit the mark.
Yeah, i reckon go for Sennheiser. I've got a pair of HD215s which are great. They have good sound and good isolation and parts are easily replaceable (i.e., pads, cable). You won't get them for $50 i don't think, but it may be worth saving up a bit and spending more than $50 if you can.
I really like the Koss Plug series (e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Koss-Plug-In-Ear-Headphones-Black/dp/B00001P4XA). I'm not sure they meet your stringent audio requirements, but I think they sound fine, they're cheap, they fit in your ear comfortably, and they provide a good amount of sound isolation--enough that I feel I can safely listen when riding the train.
Their biggest issue is that because they're really *in* your ear, you can hear when the cord bangs against things. I don't mind, but you may. But for $12, you can pick up a pair and decide what you think.
Cheap headphones cost around 5-10$(tops).
The quality ones (Creative EP-630, Soundmagic etc.,) start from $15, and offer brilliant sound quality for use with entry level mp3 players.
However, if you have a cutting edge high end system, or a very high end sound card, and listen to flac or other uncompressed formats, a 30-50$ in ear will make quite a difference.
If you travel the subway, spend $50 to buy a noise cancellation (active), it will be worth it.
That said, from 50$ onwards, sound quality increase is incremental. A 80$ headphone will have the sound quality of 250$ headphones for 99.9% of the listeners.
However, most people, even ones with ruined years from years of high volume listening, can easily tell between a 10$ and a 30$ in-ear headphone.
Then a lot depends on music too. If you are a metal/rock kind of "bright" music guy, you will find quality from 15$ onwards. If you are a opera kind of guy, come to $30. If you have sensitive ears, $50, if you have the hearing of superman, spend $80.
"Audiophiles, even hardcore ones" tell me that above $80 its one in a million who will get the difference in case of in ear. In case of over the ear headphones, the peak happens around 120$. However, for me, the peak happens in the $50-60 range. Anything above that sounds the same to me no matter what the music, but then I do not have a very high end system, just a decent quality sound card, and listen to mp3 at 320kbps
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I've tested so many headphones/etc and have come to prefer the Senn HD25 on-ear. i also don't care too much that they're on-ear, but the sound quality is amazing.
However, if there is one thing that I've found, it is that everyone has their own hearing 'profile' and which is 'best' is very, very subjective.
If you don't want to waste a lot on money trying different ones out (like I did, actually), go to some store that has a wide range and try them out with your own music. IMO, there really isn't any other way.
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Haven't heard anything bad about them so far. One of the few companies where, to quote T.P. "You can go inside and talk with the person whose name is above the door. It usually means it is not run by crooks" [from "Going postal"]
And their products are excellent! I know there was a price tag mentioned in the question, but if you want to have superb quality in-ear headphones, get Sennheiser IE 7 model. I have had the pleasure of winning every argument "why do you need anything above MP3 192 kbit quality if you cannot hear the difference" with those headphones and good MP3 player that can play FLAC files [I buy Creative or Cowon]. People invariably find their jaws at knee level after sampling my personal audio combos...
I also hate earbuds, I find them uncomfortable and they never seem to stay put in my ears.
BUT, I also want something really portable... I picked up these Brookstone Earpods a couple years back and they're great... very good sound quality and very comfortable... I can even wear them lying down with my ear against a pillow, they're so flat. $59.99, hopefully close enough to your price range.
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The V6 quality decline must have been caused by the production moving from Japan to China (somewhere around 2002-2003).
I have both pre- and post-move V6s and the sound quality of the China-made ones is significantly lower. Yes, they look the same but don't sound as good.
noise isolation (not cancellation)
Excellent. Wear them for an extended period and when you take them off it's shocking how noisy the world is.
flat/near flat response (I need to be able to hear bass, but I don't need my eardrums blown out)
Not flat, but very pleasant sounding. Bass isn't hyped, and highs get a subtle emphasis.
long-term comfort (earbuds usually hurt for me) and durability.
They're comfortable to wear for hours, and the cable's detachable/replaceable, so the vast majority of failures can be remedied.
... also, I can kill you with my brain.
JVC Flats sound wonderful and can be found for $20-25, maybe less at some retailers. The bass response is impressive. The drivers rotate and fold flat for easy packing/storage.
Koss PortaPro. Good since 1980's, and still good. Of course probably not what you need( not noise canceling). My favorite Koss product.
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I have a pair of Klipsch in-ear phones. They're reasonably comfortable (and I *hate* earbuds), have decent sound quality with adequate bass response and isolate very well.
They include three sizes of ear pieces if you're still worried about comfort. The set also comes with a handy little pouch. They're so portable, I have them in a pocket at all times.
They cost me $25 on Amazon and the set closer to your $50 budget probably sounds even better. That said, I'm no hardcore audiophile, but actually *like* music... ;)
It's hard to accept, but digital now means "on a hard drive" or something. CDs and DVDs aren't considered digital. I bought a blu-ray a while ago and it actually said on the box "Includes bonus digital copy!"
It's maddening, but sometimes I find it best to just accept these things. It's not as bad as the whole hacker == criminal thing.
... also, I can kill you with my brain.
I didn't get enough of the 40 or 50 mindless, daily threads asking for earphone recommendations on /g/ on any given day. Now it's here on /. Awesome.
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They compress the music until it's shit
I have to agree... very few lossy options do not... I am unaware of any.
and no, their ALAC isn't worth a damn:
No really, you don't have to have golden ears to hear the difference.
Well, apparently, you do. While the ALAC format may have technical characteristics that aren't as desirable compared to other lossless formats, the audio itself isn't one of them. In case you missed it, lossless means "lossless," and the information you linked to says nothing about how any of those formats sound... because its a comparison of lossless formats, thus, by definition, they sound exactly the same as the original uncompressed digital commercial format. If they didn't they couldn't be lossless. Not only can't I hear the difference between one lossless format and another, no one can.
Beyond that, I appreciate your post... but saying that you can hear that ALAC is inferior to other lossless formats is pure fantasy.
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I know everyone else has answered this already. I'm a fan of the Grado SR60is. As a game design hobbyist, I have spent a little time messing around with wave forms, so I have a little experience. I don't care for most of the audiophile nonsense I've seen around, and I have not performed any form of tests, so this is of course only my non-professional opinion. They still sound great to me, better than any of the others I've tried. The open cups do reduce the bass some, but the drivers are big enough that it still works well. I've heard the wood ones have slightly better resonance and have considered upgrading them to see if it's true, but probably don't care enough to invest. They have physically fallen apart on me slowly, frankly, and the build quality is significantly cheaper than their hundreds of dollar sets, but it's nothing a little tape hasn't fixed. And I only really care about how they sound, not how they look. I got my pair for $70, which is 20 more than your price range, but it's the best i found for the money at the time. Feel free to take it or leave it, I hope one more opinion in the mix is useful.
Get yourself a portable, skipless CD player
What? 16-bit / 44.1 kHz? Screw that. DVDs and DVD players have been forever standardized on 24-bit / 48 kHz audio, superior to CDs cruddy bit rate and depth. While I'm unaware of any artists that are releasing entire albums on DVDs, i.e. not a mixed format but purely intended for audio, I'm hanging on to my trusty old DVD player with optical outputs just in case labels get wise to this and the desireability of this kind of reproduction and start re-releasing records in 24-bit / 48 kHz on... you guessed it, the venerable DVD.
This is a good idea... someone mod me up!
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Is it just me or do the earbuds last maximum a year, regardless of price? After about one year, I always lose sound in either left or right..
And I have a different cheap pair for the gym.
Anyone?
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Consider getting earbuds with adjustable padding/size because everyone's ear canals are different.
Off the top of my head and the F100: Ford, Apple, Intel, and 3M come to mind as not markedly evil.
There's Kroger, Macy's, Kohl, Gap, and Land o'Lakes.
Lear, for certain values of consumer product (like a G6 ... but that's another company).
Whole Foods. McGraw-Hill, Levi Straus, and of course, Harley-Davidson.
I'm sure there are complaints against some of these. But I don't see these companies as taking direct and blatantly aggressive anti-consumer actions as Sony and others have. Looking up the holdings of ethical / socially conscious investment funds might also prove interesting.
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Fits all the requirements mentioned except a boom mic, although they were a tad over $50 new. It's a non-current model but you may be able to find them online. Very flat, full frequency response, no boosted bass. Definitely the best ~$50 headphones I've ever owned, and I have some other fairly expensive open-back headphones as well. These are definitely one of the best under $150 closed-back headphones. For those that don't know, designing a good sounding closed-back (isolating) headphone is really hard, which is why most cheap headphones are open-backed (non isolating). It's far easier to design good sounding headphones when you don't care about sound isolation.
As some others have recommended the Sennheiser PX100's are also great, but they bleed a lot of sound to the environment and have zero isolation. They are not as long-term comfortable as the HD 448's either, since the 448 is circumaural (around the ear, not on the ear like PX100's). The HD 448's are good for portable use since they have a 3.5mm (1/8") jack and not a full sized 6.3mm (1/4") jack like many higher end headphones.
In any case, it's really hard to go wrong with anything in the Sennheiser range, although some of their cheaper models have boosted bass so you need to carefully check the description when selecting a model. I can't stand headphones with boosted bass, they are very fatiguing to listen to after a while and I prefer a flat frequency response anyway.
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For sound quality, I use Etymotic Research ER-4P. Very clean sound, not overly bassy, good isolation. Comfort - not so good, but YMMV and they come with a selection of bud designs and sizes.
For comfort, please don't laugh, but I use some Beats by Dre Studio HD. The sound is in no way neutral, but there's plenty of detail and like I say the comfort is sky-high. They support my iPad/iPhone (although I don't think I've used that functionality yet). The cancelling is reasonably good, though the ER-4Ps isolation is more effective. Battery life is not so great and you can't use them at all when the batteries are dead.
Seriously -- headphones??? This is a \. question? My, how the mighty have fallen!
I am also looking for headphones, but with one primary caveat: I wear glasses. If I use on-ear, that gets painful after a while because on-ear-phones press my ear against the handles. If I wear around-ear, the earphones dislodge my glasses frequently, or push them slightly away from where they are supposed to be. Both issues are no problem for an hour, and a major annoyance for prolonged use. Are there any ear-phones which alleviate these problems, or should I just stick with in-ear phones instead?
Koss PortaPro is quite cheap, and something you can use when travelling. The fidelity is not great, though. I have some Sennheisers at 5x the price, and the difference is obvious -- anyone can hear that (and I couldn't even hear the difference when I re-encoded a WAV file with 4 bits per sample). There is no obvious distrortion in the PortaPro though, and I sill keep mine around and prefer them to a Koss headset and a Plantronics headset (+all cheap earbuds that I use for running).
I bought a pair of Klipsch s3 In-ear headphones about a year ago for $35. These are, hands down, the best canalphones you are going to get for that money anywhere. Full stop. J&R might still have an open-box pair for $15.
If you're into cans on your head, the Sennheiser HD201S is $30 or so. These sound just as good and don't leak too much.
I've bought really expensive headphones over the years (not worth it if you abuse them like I do); these are my new go-tos. Good luck!
You don't elect. If you have good karma you occasionally get allocated mod points. If you post in a thread you can't moderate it. If you post in a thread you have already moderated, all your allocated mod points are removed.
If you use your points wisely (mod up good comments, down bad) you will usually get allocated more fairly quickly. If you mod badly, (good down, bad up) you will get killed in meta-mod, and usually won''t get points again for a long time.
What you are talking about seems more like meta-moderation, where you judge how fairly other comments have been moderated. Participating in that gets you credit towards being allocated mod points.
I'm guessing that wasn't on their radar screen...
I have a pair of LG Tones that I absolutely love. I listen to music and audiobooks a lot when I'm doing things around the house or out jogging and I've screw up several sets of wired headphones. The Tone runs a bit over $50 and it's in-ear, but it's an awesome set of bluetooth headphones. Nice bass, but not crazy. Long battery life. There are a couple minor quirks to get used to (I've bumped the forward button occasionally), but it's worth it. I've listened from techno to thrash metal and they've all sounded good with these headphones. Currently alternating between Five Finger Death Punch, and The Coldfire Trilogy
The Klipsch S-2 ($50 list, $25 - $40 street) are in-the-ear phones with good sound isolation and very good audio quality for the price. Like most of the less expensive phones, they are somewhat bass-heavy but not too bad in this regard and the actual bass extention is impressive. Midrange and treble are uneven but better than you usually get in this price range. They are sensitive enough to use with portable equipment. Wiring is kind of flimsy. If used in an active fashion, they are not likely to go much beyond the one-year waranty. You really have to go to the Shure SE-215 ($150 list, $90 - $99 street) to get professional stage monitors with very flat frequency response, superb sound isolation, secure and comfortable fit, low listening fatigue and user-replaceable wires. These less expensive models do not reproduce extreme bass or extreme treble but they are very smooth within their range, say from 50 Hz to 12 KHz. They are sensitive enough to use with portable equipment. Mike
Why? Because if you put on your headphones after taking a shower these headphones will seal the moisture in your ear and if you don't keep both your ears AND headphones clean (I mean wiping with alcohol or something), it will create a perfect environment for an ear infection to form. I had two painful ones before I realized it was the headphones and switched to a different design.
It is a shame since you can hear everything beautifully with these kinds of headphones. I've realized it is either buy some cans (read: large whole ear covering kind) or "fits in your ear" type buds (like what comes with an iPod) for the best and least infection prone experience.
Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
Stax Omega 3: 5000 USD
High-end tube headphone amp: 5000 USD
Sound isolation for the room: 2500 USD
Listening to audio files compressed with lossy compression, played through a crappy DAC on your laptop: priceless
Just wanted to be funny, nothing personal Prune!
No troll. This is what I have concluded based on what has been available and Neil Young agrees with me about lossy formats.
CDs are 44KHz and 16 bit digital audio. Further, they are usually mastered like canned crap. I really don't give a tenth of a fuck what Neil Young thinks, he whines when he sings let alone when he talks. Double blind testing has proven that the average listener cannot tell the difference between a CD and an mp3 made from that CD. If you can tell the difference, bully for you, but I suspect that if you had just used top quality VBR that you wouldn't be able to any more.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I know what you mean about the exaggerated bass, that's is exactly what I experienced with their speakers in their show room. However, I purchased their original noise cancelling head phones ($300) when they first came out because my cubical was immediately below the heating and air conditioning system. The head phones DID NOT exhibit the same bass boost that their speakers did and the noise cancelling ability was outstanding. I've tried other noise cancelling head phones just as a point of comparison and none did as good a job. The tonal range seemed to be evenly distributed and the ability to reproduce sounds accurately was good as near as I can tell. Also, Bose will (or at least did) give you a $100 credit if you brought in an old pair for replacement. Seems like an absolute necessity if you work in a cubical environment.
Audiophile stuff is notoriously overpriced for quality and subject to the placebo effect. Expensive things are rated better, but when offered in a blind test often are no better, or worse, than cheaper stuff.
"Gold plated contacts" are one such proven utterly worthless thing.
So what we need are not a thousand testimonials, but rather some double-blind studies rating ear buds.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
There can only be one set of headphones that satisfy your needs:
http://www.aiaiai.dk/tma-1-studio
I have the non-studio version and while they are amazing headphones, after one test listen of the Studio version, I had to preorder immediately.
They satisfy every one of your requirements: They have great noise isolation, even frequency response (they're studio 'phones made for mixing/mastering), ridiculously comfortable and extremely durable. Even if the frequency response is not 100% perfect to your taste, they take to EQing really well and will literally vibrate your skull before they distort. They're extremely efficient (good for mobile devices) and can play ridiculously loud without even breaking a sweat.
The only downside is the cost: $269 with a mic ($249 without). But they're seriously the last set of headphones you'll ever have to buy. They're that good.
And they look cool as fuck.
Eat the rich.
I was recently looking for something with about the same requirements. The XD-40 cost me GBP 70 but as luck would have it you can get them for $30 at Amazon which is a fantastic price.
They are DJ / Studio headphones so good isolation, robust, and will go LOUD. Great sound quality as far as I can tell; no obvious colouration and good bass extension. Good staging, too.
Xone are by Allen and Heath and have a great rep in the DJ market.
Unlike a lot of supra-aurals they are not a tight fit, but will not fall off. Circum-aurals offer better comfort but these are good enough for me.
Also they fold, which together with the isolation makes them great for travel.
In your price range, just go to monoproce.com and grab one of their better pairs. You won't regret it. My $6 earbuds are the best I've ever heard, and the ratings on over-the-ears sets are great too.
I corrected myself later in response to another poster.. I meant to have typed ACC
I'm going to ignore the Sony hate and the price range. First: ignore sony-hate. Sony is a big company with lots of tentacles in a lot of pies and it is obvious that some parts of the company don't talk to one another. One thing Sony does well are consumer-level headphones which they make with an attention to reproducing consumer-level sound from buds and other things. The new XBA-1 series are not bad. With their balanced armature drivers, they provide a good, nuanced, balanced sound and they can go far enough in your ear behind silicone and foam earpieces to provide good sound coupled with good isolation. Sony offers other things in other price ranges. Much of it is good. Second: Up your price-range go up to the $80/$100+ range. Spend a little more and your'e in business at the low-end of the high end. This means award-winning Grado SR-60s, the Grado iGi high-end earbuds (they do Yo-Yo Ma's cello justice) for $130, you can get Sony MDR XB700s with fifty millimeter drivers in casques that look like princes Leia's buns that look stupid as all get out and sound *great*. Upping your price to here takes you out of sucker territory where headphone manufacturers sell all the things they drag out of their big box of "ghetto." Third: Avoid the low end of big name brands without serious consideration. Most super-big name headphone makers have a low-end product line that is wet, smelly garbage. Denon AHK 751s are sublime (so sublime they no longer make them) everything below them in the Denon line is landfill in the making. Sennheiser makes stunning, award-winning, mind-blowing, whole-notion-of-sound-redefining headphones: the price-range for them *starts* at several hundred dollars and the best part of the engineering that goes into everything else they made is the silk-screening that put their logo on them. Fourth: Read reviews and read them with a boulder of salt. If you need reviews, try Amazon. They crowd-source their reviews *and* have a program where their best writers get free items for reviewing. Amazon reviews can offer you a good spread of opinions--some of them honest: I've written several of them. Last: Be careful about Shure and Etymotic research. Shure is definitely not as good as they think they are for the prices they charge. Etymotic research is good even at the relatively low end (they require an hour or so of burn-in before they really do their thing) but they have filters which require changing and they're delicate with the low-enders breaking at the joint (glue doesn't work, sugrue does) or, better still, permanently dropping a channel about six seconds after they leave warranty.
Yeah but you get what I am referring to, because earlier I myself explained to another poster that digital was, well digital and analog was analog. "Digital music" in the sense I meant it and in the sense it's being used commonly nowadays really means "downloaded digital music" in distinction to CDs.
So you have a point, but it displays an Asperger's-like obsession with the exact meaning of words while disregarding words as they're actually used and meant within the cultural context of the speakers and listeners. So it doesn't count.
I have been using these for over 10 years:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E
These have fantastic fidelity, are lightweight and all around groovy.
Every other headphone I've used under $100 has some level of fail (yes, I am looking at you apple
earbuds) that makes me feel like I have just burned money.
These are the best bang for the buck, slightly above OP's price, but worth it. Read some reviews online, there's not many bad things to say about these cans. http://www.headphone.com/headphones/grado-sr-60i.php
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Come on read the thread. Grado is being praised by people here too. It's highly cynical to think that all stereophile magazine reviews are just pro-forma, praise-buckets bought and paid for by the industry
"Digital music" in the sense I meant it and in the sense it's being used commonly nowadays really means "downloaded digital music" in distinction to CDs.
Why not just say what you mean, then, instead of saying something else that doesn't mean what you want it to? This isn't a Lewis Carroll poem.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I have a pair of Sony PIIQ headphones. They are circumaural, superaural if you have large ears, and they are quite comfortable. The color scheme is a bit garish, but some are more acceptable than others. The bonus is that they sound great for their price. They are a Consumer Reports best buy from last year's Christmas gift season and now that I own a pair I know why. They have held up OK since Christmas for me. I don't have longer-term experience with them for that.
These headphones can be had for 30 bucks and are incredibly good sounding.
They're also big and bulky, but hey, that's the way they should be.
Try the ViSang VS-R02/R03. They're pretty much identical except that the R03 hat nicer-looking buds, although I think that the R02 hat the better sound - they're both above what you'd expect for the price but the R02 is slightly clearer in my opinion. Then again the R03 is a bit more forgiving of badly-mixed music. It's not exactly night and day, though.
Generally-speaking the R02/R03 are solid (semi-)budget IEMs with a fairly flat, rather analytical sound; you get good separation and while their bass isn't quite on par with more "fun-oriented" IEMs they're quite good with mids, which puts most singers front and center. Plus, you're not looking for bass monsters anyway. I recommend them for classical/orchestral music, a cappella and similarly intricate (and well-mixed) stuff and don't recommend them for punk rock and anything else where the mixing quality is secondary to being loud. Electronic music works very well, metal heavily depends on how well it's mixed. Oh, and you will hear badly-encoded MP3s.
Do the ViSangs measure up against bigger players like Phonak? No, but then again they only cost half as much and sound more than half as good. (Plus, unlike Phonak's weird IEMs they actually fit into my ears.)
The wires are somewhat stiff and have a memory effect; on the other hand they're robust and not very prone to telephony (that is, you hear the music and not the cable rubbing against your clothes). Both come with a shirt clip, a carrying box and an assortment of silicone and foam rubber caps with the R02's assortment being slightly larger (it comes with an additional pair of biflanges). Both are very comfortable to wear, even for long periods of time. As for sturdiness, it took me almost two years to break my R02s, which is okay for a 30 EUR investment in my book.
If you're in the states you might know the R02 as the Brainwavz ProAlpha and the R03 as the Brainwavz m2. They're pretty much straight-up rebrands.
I bought my R02 and R03 as imports from HK and UK, respectively. The prices including postage were 30 and 50 EUR, which is very cheap compared to what these things deliver. Between the two I'd recommend the R02. The R03 might be built slightly better and might look nicer but the R02 delivers virtually the same sound for less money.
tl;dr:
Pros: Cheap for what they do; flat sound profile; good separation; quiet wires
Cons: Very sensitive to badly-mixed music and compression artifacts; you might need to import them (try eBay, though; the import costs might be low)
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Any SKULL CANDY headphones are awesome exspecialy for their price
Much agreed. Those are huge, but great sounding and comfortable to boot. The $30 price tag is a steal; they are comparable to headsets costing 5 times that much.
Because people use type 1 thinking to express themselves in daily intercourse
http://www.unc.edu/courses/2010spring/psyc/433/001/tutorials/leonard.html
and I am no different. I speak to people rapidly and fluidly, as we all do, and use words with meanings which are in turn largely derived from the common useage of people around me.
It has to be this way or you'll end up talking about the meaning of words instead of communicating what you meant to communicate.
Technically, what I said was wrong (but I knew the technical difference myself) , but conversationally, most people understood me as I intended to be understood and that's the whole point of communication.
In this particular context, maybe I should have broken it out because slashdotters are more technically literate (a good thing) and sometimes more literal (a BAD thing) than the average person.
*shurgs*.
Err bad link to you earlier, here's another one that is much more on topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory
They're $99 on Amazon, and pretty great. I had some SE-110s before, but on those the cable doesn't go over your ear, so it's pretty prone to being tugged on, and eventually one side failed. The 215s don't have that problem, sound great, and come with a variety of rubber or foam earplug things.
I've had three pairs of MDR V6's, and for the money, I have yet to find anything close in terms of sound, isolation, and comfort.
I have to agree. I've still got the MDR V6's that I got for Christmas back in the 80's. I can wear these things for hours on end and I forget that I have them on. Plus, they do a pretty good job at eliminating outside noise and, for the money, the frequency response is great. The V6's have ruined me for so many other headphones, it's not even funny. It still surprises me to be watching TV and they'll show some sound engineer in front of a big mixing board... and the dude has a pair of V6's on. Also, I once did a tour with a semi-famous solo musician, and I noticed that his front-of-house sound guy had his V6's in the little bag that they come with (because, yeah, they fold up for travel, too).
It *is* unfortunate that the ear-pads deteriorate after a few years, but you can get new ones on ebay for fairly cheap.
Because people use type 1 thinking to express themselves in daily intercourse
If I'm pissed off and know exactly what I want to say, sure. Otherwise I take a second to read and, if necessary, edit my comment. You can do that. There's even a preview function...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Ahh read the other (wiki) page I supplied for what dual theory is. IT's not about how we talk when we're pissed off or emotional.
Most people know digital music as shorthand for downloadable digital music and use "non-digital" to refer to CDs to. That's just how it is now , as another poster pointed on in this thread.
All done now, but it was nice discussing shit with you. Cheers!
Correcting myself. They're JVC HA-RX900 headphones. I had the Koss's in college.
I leave them at the office since that's where I like to be 'isolated' the most. Very high reviews and there are some DIY sites on how to add extra noise protection and improve sound quality.
I got a pair recently and they seem fine. I can't say if they compare directly with my first pair as they finally gave up on me. Still good, even if made in China.
http://www.acetonestudio.com
I also have the Sennheiser HD 202 and they are great sounding headphones if a little bit bulky. If you want earbuds, I've been happy with Klipsch's offerings though they sound a bit tinny.
What deimtee said.
I think I get mod points depending on how busy I am at work and at home. If I have a ton to do, I will invariably get mod points on Friday afternoon, ensuring that they're wasted while I'm mowing the grass or getting dog stains out of the carpet.
I've been on here a LONG LONG time, which probably counts for something too.
To ensure perfect aim, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target
The best in-ear headphone I've had are Apple's. Not the crap stock ones that come with their devices though. Those leave bruises in my hear-holes (that's the technical term). I get the feeling from reading the rest of this thread that most probably won't agree with me.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850G/B
I bought some Beats Tour in-ear headphones (the ridiculously overpriced things you see at Best Buy) thinking something that pricey and with the specs that good on the box, it has to be amazing. The quality of them turned out to be crap though. Nice cable (Monster), but the ear-pieces were strangely shaped. The worse part was the ear-tips were a smooth rubber that didn't breathe, so when you put them in your ear, it sealed it and caused suction in your ear-hole (still technical term). Maybe my anatomy is different from people who like these headphones, but this causes the same affect as when I change elevations quickly (I jump really high) and you have to yawn to fix it. I was "yawning" a lot. These things cost (at the time) $200 after taxes and I couldn't stand them. Don't get me wrong, the sound was decent, with a full frequency response range.
For my next pair I picked up Apple's nice in-ear set for $80. I was a bit skeptical because it was Apple, which wasn't exactly known for making headphones. The range was fantastic ( 5 Hz to 21 KHz ) and the rubber tips are great. They are a soft rubber material that doesn't cause the suction problem I experienced with the beats headphones.
On top of solving the suction problem had having amazing range for in-ear, it was also less than half the price of the Beats. It also has a microphone, volume control, and a play/pause button (works with Siri too if you're one of THOSE people (I am)). I use it for both my music and my phone calls. They don't fatigue my ear-holes (technical term) when I'm on a 2-hour conference call, and they are great for air travel too.
The next best ones I would suggest (if you want in-ear) are the $20 JVC Marshmallow headphones at Walmart. Those are a close second (no mic/volume control).
Again, this is for in-ear. I know you specifically mentioned they hurt your ears, which is why I generally avoided them. But these were an exception and are now my favorite. :)
"That'll never compile."
I corrected myself later in response to another poster.. I meant to have typed ACC
Excellent!
But I had an anacdotal story in case you intended to argue... which I'm going to share with you anyway. The main point being that we don't know, necessarily, what audio source Apple is using for their iTunes ALAC selections. So it goes like this:
There was an audio cassette duplicating company in the 1990's that claimed their audio cassettes sounded as good as CD's, and would send out samples to prove it. If you received a sample, and listened carefully, invariably you would certainly have to agree that the cassette sample did indeed sound as good as and exactly like the CD sample they sent with it. Interestingly, the CD also suffered from wow and flutter audio artifacts, so what they obviously did was make a CD from their cassette sample, ensuring that their cassette sounded just as good as the CD.
Always, always... consider the source. This applies to information as well as audio.
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On-ear (left and right parts have their separate ear-clip), pretty linear characteristics (no particular "bass boosting"), with an analytical, somehow "cool" (as opposed to "warm") output.
In my opinion, the Yuin G1A and G2A are excellent for classical and voice music, including solo instruments and quartets.
Enthusiasts of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal would be disappointed, though. They'd rather look elsewhere.
If your mobile audio device will not drive high impedance earphones, the G2A (low ohm) will do fine.
Last time I checked, the G2A was $49 in the U.S., around £45 in the U.K.
One can get Yuins from Hong Kong as well, see the offerings of your preferred auction house on the internet.
(Most portable devices will need a portable amp to drive the G1A, due to its high impedance. And it is way above the price limit)
Note: Both the G1A and G2A do *not* isolate the user acoustically, they let pass a good portion of environmental sound (and noise).
Dare I ask how you really feel about Microsoft mice?
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
http://www.headphonereviews.org/ is non commercial headphone reviews website. There are some editors reviews, but most of the reviews are by users, with reviews by experienced headphone users given more weight than reviews by new members. The site is moderated to keep the review quality high.
Disclaimer: I own and run the website, and the website covers its costs by getting affiliate revenue from amazon.
1. Sony MDR-V6! 2. Sennheiser HD202 And runner up is Sennheiser HD 25s but they get a bit uncomfortable after more than an 1hr of wearing
You won't quite get in under $50, but Grado has long (like since the 1990s) been known for outstanding quality of its sub-$100 open-air phones. Surprisingdetail, fairly free from colorations and f.r. anomalies, unfatiguing high-end. Not a lot of extension at either end of the response curve, of course, but the bass that is there is tight and detailed (kick drums tend to be percussive, not boomy) and transients have a lot of "snap." The $69 & $79 models are IMO no-brainers in a world where people gladly pay multiples of those figures for horrible, overhyped, bass-heavy products like Dr. Dre's. All the Grado's also boast decent form factors -- light and sturdy, although they're not a foldable, back-pocket type of product. If you can live with going $10 or $20 over your budget, it may not be hard to find more detailed reviews in reputable audio-gear journals. Despite the low price, products in this line havefor decades been considered entry-level audiophile products. IMO, Grado should be the starting point for anyone looking for headphones in this price range. As for me, I purchased a $330 pair of Etymotic canalphones 15 years ago, spent another $100 for custom-molded eartips and will never go back. Nothing short of $4000 Stax electrostatics clearly surpasses them. If you're serious about music, consider saving up some money and picking up a pair. But if you want best bang for your buck, knowledgable audiophiles will all put the Grado SR60 & SR80 near the top of their short lists.
I only listen to podcasts and prefer retractable earbuds which don't get tangled up in storage. The only place I've found them is China via eBay at a cost $2 or $3 each, incl s/h. Cheap cost is important because I've not had any earbuds that didn't fail from separated wiring within a few months.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showforum=59
I find head-fi to be more religious.
I've been using these for several years (on my 2nd pair). http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plantronics-Audio-645-USB-Gaming-Headset-Chat-PC-MAC-/370527962583?pt=US_Computer_Headsets&hash=item56453005d7#ht_2020wt_1265 They are cheap, real comfortable on the ears, have a good mic, USB or Stereo jacks, volume and mute on the cord. I have a spare in my cabinet for when this pair breaks (which they all do based on how I use them). By the way, great job to all the knuckleheads who immediately derailed a simple question into politics. ugh.
I can vouch for both the Grado's (SR60's in my case) and the Sennheiser HD 202s. I bough both on the recommendations of others and have found the Grado's to be the purest sounding (with no isolation) and reasonably flat with enough isolation to keep out the constant discussions going on around me in my workplace.
Both are IMHO great value for money.
The Grados sound best on my diy-upgraded iRiver H320 (CF drive, new battery, Rockbox) - the quality is noticeably better than when I used them on my iPhone 4. Alas, same can be said for my old iMac G5 (smooth Burr-brown audio) vs. my new Macbook Air.
In the end, buy to your budget - there's some great headphones out there for a reasonable price.