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Ask Slashdot: How To Introduce Someone To Star Trek?

First time accepted submitter red$hirt writes "I have a few friends, plus my girlfriend, who I would like to introduce to Star Trek. They do have a general interest to watch it, but I'm not sure what's the best way to start. There are so many series and movies and I would like to pick an order that keeps them interested. My first idea is to start off with a few good TNG episodes, and then let them watch First Contact. What does Slashdot think? I'm sure some of you have introduced others to Star Trek before. How did you do it, and how successful were you? Which particular episodes would you recommend watching for someone who is completely new to all this?"

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  1. Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by greg_barton · · Score: 5, Informative

    KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!

    1. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by magarity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Watch the original series episode that introduces Khan back to back with the movie.

    2. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And while you're watching that episode, put your brain in naughty mode when Khan is talking to his female interest. I'm not sure the exact wording, but it's something like "I'm glad you came, I hope you decide to do it again". And remember in STTOS they thought that way (Kirk always getting the girl etc...).

    3. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Is this a Klingon death grawl?

      I would suggest turning your bedroom into a romantic scenery and then storm in b*ttn*ked with your Klingon mask.
      Shout from the bottom of your lungs 'qamuSHa!' while violently pointing your weapon at her.
      Don't mistake 'qamuSHa' with 'qumuSHa' because you are not butchering an bIreQtagh.

      Refrain from putting of your mask because the sweat on your head might not really turn on your girlfriend.

    4. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed - skip the first Star Trek movie and go directly to Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan! My favorite Star Trek movie by far, so much so that the Khan bellow is my ringtone on my phone.

      As for series - start off with TOS, then I'd do ST:Enterprise, then ST:TNG, then Voyager and DS9.

    5. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's fucking hard to get through the campiness of TOS, though.

      I mean, Space Hippies. That's pretty much the best way to make someone never want to watch a Trek show again.

    6. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I mean, Space Hippies. That's pretty much the best way to make someone never want to watch a Trek show again.

      Oh, Herbert! You are stiff!

    7. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Nationless · · Score: 5, Funny

      For future reference the title of that episode is "Space Seed" which, unfortunately, sounds like a porn version of Star Trek.

    8. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! (Score:5, Informative)

      Bitch all you want about the /. moderation system, but that is correct in every possible way with the exception of a new Funny/Informative rating.

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    9. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed - skip the first Star Trek movie and go directly to Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan! My favorite Star Trek movie by far, so much so that the Khan bellow is my ringtone on my phone.

      As for series - start off with TOS, then I'd do ST:Enterprise, then ST:TNG, then Voyager and DS9.

      The first film is great, not action oriented but really epic. It's a true science fiction film.
      And because of this it's the perfect film for someone that is not a trekkie.

      For the other films I'd go ST II, ST IV and ST VI for classic star trek.
      Next generation : First contact only, the rest are best forgotten.

      Tv series : no questions asked DS9

    10. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      TOS may be campy, but it's first season is one of Trek's best. Why? Because it was written by lots of science fiction authors, rather than the standard TV crap writer. (NOTE: Season 1 is also best-watched in production number order, not airdate order. The storyline will make more sense then.)

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    11. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      TOS stories are timeless philosphical tales as seen through the eyes of the flower power generation (who thought 'gay' meant 'happy' and 'homosexual' meant 'punching bag'), the stories just happen to occur on a spaceship.

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    12. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh c'mon, that's just you projecting your own dirty thoughts on something completely unrelated to porn.

      No doubt the following TOS episode titles also remind of you porn.

      The Cage -- BSDM

      Where No Man Has Gone Before -- Hot lesbian gets fucked by stud and decides she also like the stick as well as the lick

      The Naked Time -- Orgy!

      Mudd's Women -- Actually this one is about prosti--, err, mail-order brides.

      What Are Little Girls Made Of? -- You sick, sick fuck.

      The Corbomite Maneuver -- Very similar to the Venus Butterfly maneuver

      This Side of Paradise -- Boobie Paradise, that is.

      The Menagerie Trois -- studly Captain Pike trapped in a cage with two hot female crewmembers who will gladly follow his orders...to undress!

    13. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's Always:

      Sex Trek

      Sex Trek: The Search for Cock

      Sex Trek: The Next Penetration

      Sex Trek: Deep Sixty-Nine

      Sex Trek: Voyeurism

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    14. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agree with this, I only recently started watching star trek having run out of other tv shows to watch. I started watching it in chronological order and I just finished tng and am half way through ds9. Out of the three I like tos best as the premise of each episode was a very simple 'what if' thought experiment with a very simple philosophical question. I guess I enjoyed the simplicity. The other two cover more complex issues like family and politics and economics which I think detract from the sci-fi aspect of them and push them more towards the realm of standard drama series and soap opera respectively. It depends what kind of people you are showing it to though. I was surprised how easily I got over the datedness of tos but that might not be so easy for everyone. Don't take it too seriously.

    15. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      TOS may be campy, but it's first season is one of Trek's best. Why? Because it was written by lots of science fiction authors, rather than the standard TV crap writer.

      The same can be said for Land of the Lost. Larry Niven, Theodore Sturgeon, Ben Bova, and Norman Spinrad wrote episodes. As well as people involved with TOS; Dorothy "D.C." Fontana, Walter Koenig, and David Gerrold. So I'm not sure that line of reasoning holds much weight. ;-)

    16. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by cicatrix1 · · Score: 2

      What, no love for Star Trek: In-Her-Prize? Typical.

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    17. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      If you don't like camp, you don't like Star Trek. Every Star Trek show and movie released has been campy. Yes, even DS9.

    18. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by FrootLoops · · Score: 2

      Sex Trek: In Her Eyes
      or
      Sex Trek: Enter Guys*

      But what about TAS? Sex Trek: The Animated Orgies?

      *The gay guy in me likes the second one the best, but you people are mostly straight so I put the hetero one first.

    19. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by pthisis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The first film is great, not action oriented but really epic. It's a true science fiction film.
      And because of this it's the perfect film for someone that is not a trekkie.

      The first film's basically a drawn-out version of one of the original episodes (the Changeling) that starts pretty well and ends strong but has tons of dead space in the middle because the plot's too thin to support more than 45-50 minutes. You'd be better off watching the original episode or many of TOS episodes instead.

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    20. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually if they had never seen it "Space Seed" which introduced the character would be a better place to start, to see his fall from power and the lovely wife that Ceti Alpha V would take from Khan would give better context to the movie.

      If it were my list I'd probably start with a greatest hits from each series,City on the edge of forever, balance of power, space seed, the conscience of the king, corbomite maneuver,A Taste of Armageddon,Mirror mirror,trouble with tribbles,ultimate computer,day of the dove,Requiem for Methuselah,The Savage Curtain and probably doomsday machine from TOS.

      With TNG it gets a little harder as some of these are probably more personal favs than on anybody's top ten but the measure of a man, elementary dear data and ship in a bottle (I always liked Moriarty), best of both worlds I&II, Darmok, Q Who, yesterday's enterprise,inner light,chain of command, all good things.

      For DS9, again subjective, Duet,our man bashir, trials and tribbleations,blood oath, Crossover (always liked the mirrorverse),civil defense,through the looking glass (mirrorverse), the adversary,little green men (silly but cute and a good character piece IMHO),return to grace (good Dukat piece), call to arms through sacrifice of angels (6 episode Dominion war arc),Waltz, in the pale moonlight, treachery, faith and the great river (cute and light hearted Ferengi piece),once more into the breach (good Klingon character episode), Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges (good dark episode that shows the federation isn't always the good guys), some like what you leave behind but I thought they should have killed Dukat at Waltz and went too far to keep him as a character so that should be enough there.

      Sadly Voyager and Enterprise didn't get as many good episodes, i loved the characters of Voyager but the writers were pussies and kept hitting the reset button and thus killing any character development but there were a few, more than Enterprise which seemed to be an excuse for bad speeches and lesbo yay more than anything. From Voyager..heroes and demons,jetrel,prototype, dreadnought (I liked it), death wish (great Q piece), the thaw (truly good, and a great villain),future's end I&II (again I liked it and had some cute bits),year of hell I&II (damned shame they didn't have the balls to stick with the story instead of the reset button),scorpion I&II (good Borg episodes), message in a bottle, living witness (good doc episode), timeless, nothing human (good character piece),counterpoint,bride of chaotica (just a cute episode) , course oblivion (VERY dark but good) warhead, equinox I&II (another dark but good), tinker tenor doctor spy (silly but cute and a good doc ep), life line (another good doc),author author (another good doc), latent image (noticing a pattern with doc getting the good ones?) dark Frontier I&II (Janeway and the Borg Queen which fits in nicely with the final ep) and Endgame.

      As for Enterprise...sigh, only the two Mirrorverse are IMHO worth watching, as in every other episode it feels like the writers are passing the idiot ball and most episodes have the captain especially cringe worthy. The movies? Easy, 2-4 although 3 isn't as good as 2 and 4 they fit nicely together and First Contact is decent.

      That should give you more than enough decent episodes that if they like it they can always ask to see others. BTW if you hate them make them set through Okana from TNG and Threshhold from Voyager, both so horribly bad they make for good MST3K style fodder.

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    21. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by rbrausse · · Score: 1

      modded as funny? hey, this is informative....

    22. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Indeed - skip the first Star Trek movie and go directly to Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan! My favorite Star Trek movie by far, so much so that the Khan bellow is my ringtone on my phone.

      As for series - start off with TOS, then I'd do ST:Enterprise, then ST:TNG, then Voyager and DS9.

      You know, they say the latest ST movie is the easiest for non-trekkies to watch.

      For me, my wife likes Voyager the best. Then TNG. She never got into the others. DS9 was my favorite for some reason but she can't stand it. Calls it a geek soap opera. WhatEVER! lol.

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    23. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by vlm · · Score: 2

      I mean, Space Hippies [youtube.com]. That's pretty much the best way to make someone never want to watch a Trek show again.

      Luckily there was approximately no story arc in TOS, so skip the crappy episodes. Heck just put on "The Doomsday Machine" followed by "City on the Edge of Forever" followed by "The Trouble with Tribbles" followed by "Tholian Web" followed by "Galileo Seven" followed maybe by "Court Martial", followed maybe by "space seed".

      What bad things happen when you skip "space hippies" and "They stole spocks brain"? Pretty much nothing. The rest of the series still makes sense.

      Don't try this with DS9's wartime episodes, that'll make no sense at all. DS9 did have the most interesting character in all of trek, that being Mr Garick.

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    24. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by jdavidb · · Score: 2

      I was surprised how easily I got over the datedness of tos but that might not be so easy for everyone.

      It's funny, today the datedness of TNG bothers me much more than the datedness of TOS. Which is weird, because I grew up in the eighties, and TNG hails from what I consider my halcyon days of youth.

    25. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by tbannist · · Score: 1

      With the exception of the Mirror Universe episodes in Enterprise, only the last season was worth watching at all. However, do not watch the series finale*. The primary issues with Voyager and Enterprise appears to be a combination of hubris from Rick Berman and Brannon Braga and interference from know-nothing Network executives who made the already terrible stories even worse with constant pressure to "sex it up" and "dumb it down". During the final season of Enterprise they brought in a new primary writer who really did a great job, under the circumstances, of fixing some of the terrible things that had been done to Star Trek in the name of ratings.

      According to Braga most of the worst things in Enterprise were done at the request of executives (Klingons in the series premiere, temporal war, T'Boobs played by Jolene Blalock). Frankly, I don't know if we should believe him.

      * The series finale was written by Berman and Braga and is atrociously bad. It essentially casts all of Enterprise as a Holodeck trip taking place during a Star Trek: TNG episode. The upside is that it potentially makes everything in Enterprise non-canon (for those that care). The downside is it means the entire series was kind of pointless, especially given that not many people actually enjoyed watching it.

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    26. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by joebok · · Score: 1

      Absolutely - TOS was such that it generated enough interest in enough people to make all the rest possible.

    27. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, there's an actor named Chris Pine in those too.

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    28. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Interesting - Voyager wasn't my favorite. If I had to pick mine it would be TOS, ST:TNG and Enterprise.

    29. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by operagost · · Score: 1

      Dude, there's a mechanical odometer on Spock's console. That was laughably outdated when the show aired. And I realize the communicators are supposed to have enough power to reach across a planet and up to orbit, but they're still a bit large compared to our 21st century phones. What's the problem with TNG? Are the PADDs 2 cm wider than an iPad?

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    30. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Immerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Three possibilities spring to mind:
      1) Nostalgia filter - TNG episodes don't look nearly as good as you remember since you're point of reference has changed.
      2) While the special effects were much more dated, the writing/plot of TOS was superior, so that the dated components were responsible for less to the total experience.
      3) TOS is so dated it crosses the "B-movie threshold" and you simply accept the special effects as stand-ins for what was intended, and/or find them entertaining in their own right (so bad it's good). I know the latter certainly applies to some of my cherished original-series Doctor Who episodes.

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    31. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid to check if those are real.

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    32. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      I read somewhere the wild color schemes were carefully chosen because they looked good and contrasty on a Black-and-White TV, which a large percentage of sets still were when the TOS aired.

      I agree the remakes of the TOS episodes have much better FX, but to their credit, they didn't go over the top with Michael Bay type explosions, etc. The updated effects are fairly subtle and if you never saw the originals you wouldn't notice anything amiss or out of the ordinary. If you have TOS memorized scene-by-scene, then you will notice the changes, but IMHO they are a pleasant addition that wasn't over-done.

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    33. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I didn't interpret the last episode that way at all - in fact I seem to remember dialog expressly indicating that it was a historical recreation, and considering that the TNG cast weren't in any of the previous episodes there's no reason to assume it impacts anything outside that one epsiode. Still a pretty lousy basis for a finale episode though.

      Then again I rather liked Enterprise, it had good flavor and a interesting over-plot, even if the storytelling was a little flat. Not a classic, but I think at that point most of the blood had been sucked from the Star Trek universe, and the reboot movie certainly did nothing to change my mind about that. I was really hopeful about Firefly, too bad it was canceled, we're badly in need of a new science fiction universe with some rich storytelling potential. I never really understood the animosity some people had to the spaceships and horses contrast, I thought the idea of "3rd-world planets" was perfectly reasonable (assuming terraforming was cheap), and fertile ground for exploring socially-relevant questions. Plus hey, a fairly hard-SF universe that doesn't depend on physics-defying warp-drives, plot-distorting teleporters(I think we can all agree that the writers had to willfully ignore most of their potential) , or particles-of-the-week. Not to mention the utterly ridiculous "aliens all look just like us to within the limits of theatrical cosmetics".

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    34. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Groghunter · · Score: 1

      ARE. YOU. IN. SANE. The motion sickness is a movie that they had to write around the special effects shots... because they'd filmed them before the finished the script. It's like saying you should start watching Alien movies with Alien 3.

    35. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I didn't interpret the last episode that way at all - in fact I seem to remember dialog expressly indicating that it was a historical recreation, and considering that the TNG cast weren't in any of the previous episodes there's no reason to assume it impacts anything outside that one epsiode.

      I suspect that's because you liked Enterprise. To me it leaves the entire series open to the interpretation that it is a "based on a true story" holographic drama. TNG characters don't actually have to appear in any of the other episode to support that interpretation because it's probably a mass market drama and anyone can take the role of any of the characters. Since the individual players aren't important to the actual narrative it can be told with the stock characters. I know it's stretching a little bit, but frankly, that interpretation casts the rest of the series in a more positive light to me and excuses any canon violations because it's all fiction within the fictional setting. Essentially, it casts the entire show as the work of an unreliable narrator and that makes it more acceptable.

      Personally, I stopped watching it for a while, it was too excruciatingly awful. The final straw, was an episode where the engineer (I think) and an alien are dying of heat stroke on a planet. The captain wants to beam them up, but they can't because the temperature difference would probably kill the alien. So they leave them both exposed to the sun with no water for hours while they adjust a shuttle (by adding a control for air temperature? WTF!) to pick them up. It just left me wondering how stupid can you get? Beam them down an umbrella and a glass of water or anything. Instead they sit still and passively watch their friend slowly succumb to the heat with most of the cast doing absolutely nothing to help for hours on end.

      That type of massive oversight could be forgiven If it had been a one time occurrence, but it seemed to happen every episode. Every week the characters seemed to do completely stupid and out-of-character things because it was required for the plot to get from the start to the end. No one involved in the production ever seemed to ever stop and ask "what would I do in this situation"?

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    36. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Love TOS. Watched it when I was a teenager and recently watched them all again. Great stuff. I don't have much time for the others Star Trek efforts though.

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    37. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Transporters were always a hideous ongoing plot hole. I would be very surprised if you can find more than a handful of episodes in the entire history of Star Trek where creative use of a transporter wouldn't remove most of the drama in short order, not counting episodes where the particle of the week rendered transporters ineffective. It's one of those technologies that is just too powerful to be allowed to exist in a dramatic universe. I rather like the fact that, especially in the first season or two, Enterprise treated it as an unreliable emergency backup system. I wish they had done more with that, maybe had a tragic case of transporter psychosis or two, perhaps a phasor exploding on arrival to horrifying effect. After all this was the dark ages of transporter tech that we heard horror stories about in the other series, they had a wonderful opportunity to limit it to the occasional deus-ex-machina of last resort and pretty much threw it away.

      I won't argue the point beyond that - lord knows there's enough bad TV out there that having an excuse to remove a series you hate from your personal canonicity is a good thing, assuming you feel the need for an excuse at all. I always found "that was total crap" sufficient myself - hence the reason the reboot doesn't exist. All I can say is that in the poorly-populated SF ecosystem of the time Enterprise was a welcome addition. And frankly I think exotic locales, scantily-clad women, and flimsy plot devices make it solidly true to the spirit of TOS.

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    38. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit, Braga may have caved but Berman was producer and had more clout. Its well known he is the one that made first contact a time travel movie (even wanted Borg in the middle ages, how retarded) and it was Berman that kept insisting on the reset button for Voyager. I wish I could find a link because I saw an interview with Beltran once (Chakotay) and he said that they basically refused to listen to the actors so much that Robert Picardo simply flat refused to say the horrible dialog they kept shoving him and simply wrote his own which is why the Doc usually had decent character development.

      If you haven't watched it head over sometime to SFDebris and watch his reviews because he will often point out the behind the scenes stuff to show where and why things went right or wrong. Basically by the third season of Voyager Trek was the Berman and Braga show, with Berman giving all the retarded "More sex" bits (Jeri Ryan saying that Berman was actually upset when he found out after hiring her that her huge tits were the result of having just given birth when they returned to normal size the outfits got tighter to the point she couldn't hardly breathe) and Braga having no damned clue about character development and keeping each character basically the same as they were when they started. No growth, no changes, even when the Doc had a breakdown after having to choose between one crewman or another living it was never added to his character after that, just another reset by Braga.

      To me what makes it extra sad is if they had just listened to the fans those two shows could have been fucking great. I remember reading that when Josh Whedon would get stuck on BtVS or Angel he would often head to the forums (under a different name of course) and simply ask THEM what they thought should happen next and he said damned if they didn't come up with excellent ideas and occasionally give him a smacking, such as he wanted to pursue commercialism with the double meat palace bit and they shot it down, saying it was demeaning to the character. If they would have simply asked the fans they would have known that Chakotay and Seven a couple was fucking retarded, everyone thought it would make more sense for the Doc or even Janeway, the fans would have gotten behind year of hell and thought it would have made for great character growth, seeing them make allies, fight and flee, but instead they just kept hitting the reset or in the case of Enterprise handing the idiot ball to Archer.

      I personally don't think Blalock was a bad actress, it felt like that she like Beltran simply got pissed and decided to phone it in. The interview with Beltran he basically apologized to the fans but said they simply wouldn't let Chakotay grow or feel, he was just the smiling sidekick and he didn't have the pull that Picardo had so he couldn't just write his own dialog and thus gave up. he wanted to explore how being betrayed twice (Tuvok and Seska) would affect his ability to trust and lead, see how his crew and Janeway's would butt heads and try to become a group, but he said all his ideas were shot down and by the last 2 years it was the Seven Of nine show. Not that he blamed Ryan, he said she was sweet and great to work with, just that the B&B wanted to shove her tits and ass in the screen as much as possible so every other episode became her or the Doc on account of the fans loving Picardo.

      Its just a damned shame, if they would have listened to the fans, especially on VOY, they could have had a truly great series that might have even been darker and with more thought provoking episodes than even DS9. Hell the fan fics were better than half the plots B&B came up with for the last years of VOY and ENT, and while I heard ENT got better by the last year frankly after watching the first two seasons and seeing the idiot ball handed to Archer so many times that any hope of that moron commanding a ship being believable was just gone for me by then, I loved trek but I just

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    39. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by chispito · · Score: 1

      Neither seems dated to me.

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    40. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Well I don't kn ow about him but I never cared about canon or not, what pissed me off on both it and VOY was how many times they'd hand a character the idiot ball. With Voyager it wasn't as bad because B&B kept hitting the damned reset button so sadly nearly every episode had them just as clueless as when they first got to the Delta quadrant, but with ENT they had poor Archer hold the idiot ball so many times they might as well had "King Moron" taped to his uniform.

      The one that pushed me into the "Oh for fuck's sake! Are you shitting me?" was when they had to negotiate with that race for a part who was VERY picky about protocols...so he brings his fucking dog along who promptly pisses on a sacred tree and fucks the whole thing up. WHAT THE FUCK!!! Are you shitting me? the captain of a fucking starship on a VERY sensitive diplomatic mission, the first contact no less, doesn't have enough motherfucking sense to even leave his damned dog on the fucking ship or at least ASK before he brings it if they would find it in any way offensive?

      You have to admit even if you liked the show that they often wrote the crew and especially Archer as dumber than your average frat boys. Hell I liked VOY even though it was a bad show for the most part but I'll be the first to admit that the writers fucked it all up, but by the time they got to ENT you have the feeling they seriously just quit giving a fuck. I've seen interviews with Blalock where she was pissed and just like Beltran on VOY basically said she phoned it in because the writing stunk so bad. In fact sadly after the series ended I found out the reason I liked the Doc on VOY was Picardo threw out the shit they wrote for him and wrote his own dialog, kinda sad when the only actors that have any good dialog write it themselves.

      While I'd agree a good sci/fi series would be nice, although i think it could have transporters without them being "too powerful" as logically there would be a hell of a lot that could be dangerous when using tech like that, in the end if you don't have good scripts and good writing you are screwed. I think both ENT and VOY could have been as good as DS9 if only Berman and Braga didn't shit all over the shows, bad writing, idiot balls, reset buttons, and with ENT especially just retarded plot developments, its a damned shame to see good shows ruined by shit writing. But of course we are talking about the same bunch that put out Nemesis which was so fucking terrible the ONLY way the plot makes ANY sense is if the bad guy WANTED TO LOSE and was sabotaging his own plans!

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    41. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by davesbizarre · · Score: 1

      I introduced my wife to it by watching the new film that came out a few years back and then had her watch films II, III and IV. The new movie did a pretty good job of including the back stories behind key elements like Kirk's experience with the Kobayashi Maru, etc.

    42. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by PwnzerDragoon · · Score: 1

      3) TOS is so dated it crosses the "B-movie threshold" and you simply accept the special effects as stand-ins for what was intended, and/or find them entertaining in their own right (so bad it's good). I know the latter certainly applies to some of my cherished original-series Doctor Who episodes.

      This sounds reasonable. The newer versions with the updated CGI effects look terrible, I want the 60s version back.

    43. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by TWX · · Score: 1

      At least a few are.

      I've never seen 'em, I'm not really in to themed porn. A buddy of mine said that they have fairly decent plots, given the parody nature.

      Sex Trek came out in 1990. Heh. I said, "came"....

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    44. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      For the other films I'd go ST II, ST IV and ST VI for classic star trek. Next generation : First contact only, the rest are best forgotten. Tv series : no questions asked DS9

      That's what she said - exactly the order and preferences I would have picked!

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    45. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by unitron · · Score: 1

      "NOTE: Season 1 is also best-watched in production number order, not airdate order."

      So the NBC suits gave birth just in time for them to be Fox suits when Firefly premiered?

      Do they do that sort of thing to non-sci-fi shows as well?

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  2. My advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to keep your girlfriend, forget about Star Trek.

    1. Re:My advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Grow up.

    2. Re:My advice by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or find a girlfriend that like Star Trek...

    3. Re:My advice by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not everybody likes the same thing.
      If you insist upon Star Trek, I'd start with TNG because Gene Roddenberry purposely made each episode a stand-alone story. According to his wife Majel he thought continuing stories alienated the viewers (because they would be lost).

      I'd start with some of season 1's better episodes (because they establish character backgrounds), skip the writer's strike-damaged season 2, and then continue onward from there.

      Or you could just start with season 3 which I thought was the best of all of them. Almost every episode is a winner.

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    4. Re:My advice by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The joy in Trek is largely nostalgic. As a kid Star Trek was one of the first "grown up shows" I watched. While it covered issues and topics I didn't always get until I was older, but a Space Ship, Aliens who wern't scary, and cool tech, was enough to keep me interested. As I got older and watching the shows over again I found more complexity in the plot. As I went into adolescence it was a family approved show with babes in tights or short skirts where you sometimes get a panty shot. Then you get more of the plot. After that it is a lot nostalgic of when you were a kid and life was easy.
      For most people the debat over TOS TNG DS9 VGR and ENT falls what you watched when you were 8-12 years old.
      If you didn't watch Trek as a kid, you are probably not going to get that into it. For one the age of the shows covers many issues that are no longer a big deal. Second the plots and acting while ok are for the most part not spatactular.
      That said... I think Deep Space 9 is the best bet. It isn't as campy as the other Trek and there is growth in all the charactors.

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    5. Re:My advice by countach · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait, this Trekky claims to have a girlfriend? Is it just me, because I don't buy this story at all.

      My suggestion samzenpus: get some spock ears, take your supposed girlfriend to a restaurant, and verbally explain to her all the back stories in deep space nine. That will REALLY get her involved.

      LOL.

    6. Re:My advice by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Start having big trekkie parties like these guys. Maybe you'll get lucky.

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    7. Re:My advice by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you insist upon Star Trek, I'd start with TNG because Gene Roddenberry purposely made each episode a stand-alone story. According to his wife Majel he thought continuing stories alienated the viewers (because they would be lost).

      A lot of people watch shows with continuing story lines now: Lost, True Blood, Breaking Bad, The Wire I think have proven this point. I recently started going through Deep Space 9 for again on Netflix, and it's incredible! I think it's now my favorite of the modern TV Treks. A broad story arc with several different conflicts, very interesting characters and extremely interesting villains -- someone could probably write a doctoral dissertation on Gul Dukat or Garak. It also features complicated political problems and intrigues, and occasionally Starfleet officers do evil things, without being possessed by a lizard alien. It's exactly the kind of show Roddenberry would never have allowed to be made.

      There are also amazing gems like Little Green Men and Trials and Tribblations.

      My issue with starting someone on TNG is that season three is great, but it gets soap-opera'y by season 7, with evil twin brothers, love triangles, and all the actors are so chummy it feels like a community theater show. Also several of the later episodes fall into particle-of-the-week-ism and repeat premises from earlier in the series.

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    8. Re:My advice by DudemanX · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are a few gems in the second season like Elementary, Dear Data and Measure of a Man.

    9. Re:My advice by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For most people the debat over TOS TNG DS9 VGR and ENT falls what you watched when you were 8-12 years old.

      I watched TOS during that age in my life, and yet DS9 is my favorite series, with TNG and Enterprise tied for next (both had some problems, but both also had some great episodes). And, Voyager was absolutely the most unwatchable (I've only seen the first couple of seasons).

      To answer the original question, I second the motion of starting with "Space Seed" from TOS, then WoK. After that, go back to some of the better TOS episodes (if nothing else, "The Trouble With Tribbles" is absolutely required), then continue with the TOS movies (skipping VI). If they are still interested at that point, TNG or DS9 depending on whether they like a continuing storyline better than mostly stand-alone episodes. Even if DS9 is their choice, some of the better TNG episodes would still be worthwhile first to set some of the background for new technology.

    10. Re:My advice by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      then continue with the TOS movies (skipping VI).

      Of course I meant to skip V: The Final Frontier. /. needs a "sanity check" on posts.

    11. Re:My advice by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      Funny, I too grew up on TOS. The whole family used to watch it after dinner.

      But out of all of them I would probably rate Voyager top, TNG a close second, then DS9 and finally ENT, which was far to much like TOS for my liking.

      Just goes to show...

    12. Re:My advice by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      someone could probably write a doctoral dissertation on Gul Dukat or Garak

      Gul Dukat I can understand... but Garak was just a simple unassuming tailor.

    13. Re:My advice by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      someone could probably write a doctoral dissertation on Gul Dukat or Garak.

      Ah, yes, the Ph.D. in Star Trek Studies, coming to an online university near you!

      Perhaps a candidate for the newest Slashdot achievement??

    14. Re:My advice by antdude · · Score: 1

      Or give us her. ;)

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    15. Re:My advice by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Beware of anybody that makes a living in skilled hand trades in a world with replicators.

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    16. Re:My advice by mrxak · · Score: 2

      The trick, I think, is to show a few really good episodes from all the series, that shows what Trek is all about, while avoiding some of the camp and nonsense.

      Hardly a complete list, but a few good ones that should leave the right sort of impression. People don't get into Star Trek because they don't get Star Trek. These episodes are a crash course on what it's all about:
      TOS: Space Seed, The City on the Edge of Forever, Mirror Mirror, The Trouble with Tribbles, The Tholian Web
      TNG: The Measure Of A Man, The Most Toys, The Drumhead, Darmok, The Inner Light
      DS9: In the Hands of the Prophets, The House of Quark, Little Green Men, The Ascent, In the Pale Moonlight
      VOY: Caretaker, Timeless, Thirty Days, Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy, Good Shepherd
      ENT: Strange New World, The Andorian Incident, Dear Doctor, Cogenitor, In a Mirror Darkly

      Pick a few of your own favorites from the above, and anyone worth knowing will probably want to watch all the rest without much more pressure from you. If they can't find something to like in the above, they're hopeless.

      I suggest TNG first, then DS9. If you want, overlap TNG and DS9 as the original air dates did, but it's not really necessary. Be sure to watch with them, wherever possible, to coach them through the early seasons of both. After those two series, offer up either VOY, ENT, or TOS. All three can be taken entirely on their own, really in any order. VOY's quality is inconsistent, ENT gets bogged down in the Temporal Cold War and Xindi stuff, and TOS is rather dated/different. A true Star Trek exposure requires all five series, but get them hooked on TNG and DS9 first, and tempt them with selected episodes of the others so they're willing to stick it out through the ups and downs.

      As for the movies, skip The Final Frontier, Nemesis, and Star Trek (2009). Those should only be watched with supervision, and after extensive indoctrination in True Star Trek. Roddenberry disowned The Final Frontier, and Nemesis and Star Trek (2009) were both created by non-Trek people. The other movies can be enjoyed really at any time, though it helps to have at least some familiarity with TOS and TNG beforehand.

    17. Re:My advice by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Funny, I too grew up on TOS. Just goes to show...

      Still, TOS isn't your #1, either, so it's not just nostalgia like the GP said.

      I just couldn't get past the problem with Voyager that they kept running into the same bad guys, even though they kept showing maps that indicated they were out of that particular bad guy's space 10 episodes ago. If they kept running into newer bad guys (and didn't have to keep increasing their power...seriously, why were the Borg still aound after the dozens of species Voyager met who could take out the Borg pretty easily?), and didn't have so many "it never really happened" episodes (time travel, holodeck, whatever), I would have kept watching.

    18. Re:My advice by itsme1234 · · Score: 1

      Wait, lost has "continuing story lines" now? I see, probably the emphasis is on the plural rather than on "continuing".

    19. Re:My advice by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      My dear fellow, you make it sound so insidious!

      How else does one distinguish themselves amongst a galaxy of replicator clad humanoids if not for fine quality hand made fabrics carefully assembled in the styles of the day?

    20. Re:My advice by morari · · Score: 1

      According to his wife Majel he thought continuing stories alienated the viewers (because they would be lost).

      Quickly proven right after seeing how terrible both DS9 and ENT were with their war story arcs.

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    21. Re:My advice by eennaarbrak · · Score: 1

      Of course I meant to skip V: The Final Frontier. /. needs a "sanity check" on posts.

      Phew, I thought I ended up in some crazy parallel universe where V was considered "good".

    22. Re:My advice by SpooForBrains · · Score: 1

      YMMV

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    23. Re:My advice by youn · · Score: 1

      haha... right, and fries with that? :)... they are rumored to exist but no one has ever met one :)

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    24. Re:My advice by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      That will REALLY get her involved.

      With the guy at the next table?

    25. Re:My advice by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you didn't watch Trek as a kid, you are probably not going to get that into it.

      Thank god you're wrong. My GF had never seen Trek before we got together. We sat down one night and started watching season 1 of TOS. Over the next year we watched every single episode of Trek, up until about halfway through Voyager where it just got unbearably bad.

      That was 5 years ago or so. We're going to have to do it again in a couple years, simply because there's nothing good on TV. Nostalgia or not, TOS is simply more fun to watch than anything on modern TV, with the single exception of Doctor Who. Everything else seems to be written by idiots, for idiots.

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    26. Re:My advice by hackula · · Score: 1

      DS9 was specifically made for the purpose of watching Star Trek with your wife.

    27. Re:My advice by CaptainJeff · · Score: 1

      Plain simple Garak.

    28. Re:My advice by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but did you just recommend that he introduce someone to Star Trek with Season One of TNG?!?!? That's like introducing someone to the Rocky franchise by showing them Rocky V.

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    29. Re:My advice by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      And, Voyager was absolutely the most unwatchable

      Oh god, remember that godawful episode where they found the old truck floating in space. That's when I pretty much checked out of Star Trek altogether. DS9 was the pinnacle of Trek as far as I'm concerned. Everything else that followed was just an afterthought.

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    30. Re:My advice by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>A lot of people watch shows with continuing story lines now: Lost, True Blood, Breaking Bad, The Wire

      Yeah but they don't get 10% and higher ratings like TNG (and TOS) got. Those Gene Roddenberry-created shows allowed a viewer to "jump in" at any point.

      >>>season 3 is great, but it gets soap-opera'y by season 7,

      By that point the viewer will either like the show and be into the characters, or say "turn this crap off" somewhere around season 4. BTW if you like DS9 you should like B5 too. DS9's creators had the B5 bible on hand and basically copied it..... so might as well watch the original show. (I like both DS9 and B5 equally.)

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    31. Re:My advice by sampson7 · · Score: 1

      Garak was a traitor?? Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Stopped watchign after a few seasons, always knew he was a double/triple agent, but it never occurred to me he would have real allegiance to one side or the other. *sigh*

    32. Re:My advice by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      B5 loses me the moment they cut to a VFX shot. So chincy.

      Also I reject shows that use telepaths as the rule rather than the exception -- if you're going to put telepaths in your show you might as well have unicorns and the Nazgul. TNG's only saving grace is that Troi was a rather attenuated telepath, she seems to tell Picard exactly what any human with half a brain could have guessed, and her ability never saves the day, to the point that the writers seem to forget she has the power at all after season 5 -- except to make her a victim or the object of abuse, something DS9's writers have a nasty habit of doing to Dax in early seasons.

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    33. Re:My advice by anyGould · · Score: 1

      According to his wife Majel he thought continuing stories alienated the viewers (because they would be lost).

      Quickly proven right after seeing how terrible both DS9 and ENT were with their war story arcs.

      Well, let's be fair - the problem with 3rd season Enterprise isn't the arc, it's the story.

    34. Re:My advice by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Wait, this Trekky claims to have a girlfriend? Is it just me, because I don't buy this story at all.

      Hell, I'll top that - I'll be celebrating my 12th wedding anniversary this fall, and my wife is just finishing up another re-watch of Babylon 5 (start to finish), and that followed a Firefly binge. (Sadly, she's not quite perfect - she doesn't properly appreciate Red Dwarf, and she insists on watching Twilight).

      The Dark Days are over, friends - there are women who not only tolerate geeks, but are geeks themselves.

    35. Re:My advice by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      probably (prb-bl)
      adv.
      Most likely; presumably.

      Are there exceptions yes. Just because you had witness an exception it doesn't mean it is the rule.

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    36. Re:My advice by s1sfx · · Score: 1

      OMG - I have waited and waited, it has never happened YET - my idea of the best date EVER! xxx

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  3. What not to! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Please not Deep Space 9!

    1. Re:What not to! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not? I think it's the best. It's pretty much a soap opera in space. Story arcs some tech babble thrown in.

    2. Re:What not to! by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most of the faults of DS9 are however made up for by the Defiant when it decides to blow shit up in what usually amount to fantastically one sided fights.

    3. Re:What not to! by poity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think DS9 was the best. It was the most emotionally complex Trek series, and showed a future that wasn't so clean and utopian, with people who weren't so predictable. The introspective and rather cynical view it took of the Federation was by itself enough to elevate it above other series.

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    4. Re:What not to! by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >>>Please not Deep Space 9!

      Probably not a fan of Babylon 5 either. (Or novels.) I know it sucks when shows make you have to remember plot details over the course of an entire season, but hey, that doesn't mean the show is bad. ;-)

      B5 and DS9 still rank up there as my favorite SF shows. Add-in Hercules and Xena and the X-Files and seaQuest (year one) and earth2 and Buffy and Twilight Zone and Outer Limits..... and the 90s was an awesome decade for fantasy/science fiction television. Most of it was produced off-network as individually-funded shows (syndicated). It's a shame the syndication market died out. CW/MyNetworkTV is a poor substitute..... the independent channels died out.

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    5. Re:What not to! by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agreed. It's the only series that's really put forth the possibility that the Federation as a whole wasn't necessarily the "good guys" that knew what was best for everyone. Avery Brooks might actually be my favorite Captain, even above Picard. Definitely a BMF.

    6. Re:What not to! by Enigmaster · · Score: 1

      This sequence of digits speaks truth. If she resists at first, throw her into one of the Troi centric TNG episodes; I always got the impression they were for the 'shippers, what with all those feelings involved.

    7. Re:What not to! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like DS9 too. Having said that, it did often feel like Rick Berman's answer to Babylon 5.

      Just like Voyager was his answer to Gilligan's Island.

    8. Re:What not to! by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      I especially liked the characterization of Elim Garek; a real spy's spy with superior cunning and a touch of ruthlessness that enabled him to do and say things which the Federation crew needed to do, but couldn't be seen doing. And yet despite all of this he still managed to cultivate a sinister sort of charm to offset his sharp wit and shrewd observational abilities. His friendship with the intelligent but naïve doctor, Julian Bashir, made for some wonderfully humorous exchanges playing Garek's bitter experiences and well developed cynicism off of Julian's lack of experience in politics, romantic relationships and other worldly affairs.

    9. Re:What not to! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course DS9 was the best Trek. It ripped off the best Scifi series of all time, Babylon 5!

    10. Re:What not to! by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ferengis look stupid and because of that, the show looks dorky as fuck

      Arrogant Hooman!

      Your just jealous because we have the lobes for business and control our females! Or as you hoomans say it, we got all the money and bitches!

    11. Re:What not to! by Pranadevil2k · · Score: 1

      There's a show on CW called Supernatural that's pretty awesome, if you're into monster hunter fiction at least...

    12. Re:What not to! by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Ok, now think about it as someone who doesn't give a damn what the Federation is, much less how it's portrayed.

      People who already like Star Trek like DS9 for the reasons you mentioned. But it's not as good for getting people into the series to begin with.

    13. Re:What not to! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "So: I lied... I cheated... I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all: I think I can live with it, and if I had to do it all over again, I would."
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    14. Re:What not to! by tooyoung · · Score: 2

      Agreed. It's the only series that's really put forth the possibility that the Federation as a whole wasn't necessarily the "good guys" that knew what was best for everyone.

      Totally, without doubt this is the best series to introduce people to Star Trek. Just imagine your friends trying to comprehend the complexity of a plot line where the main governing power isn't necessarily the "good guys". This sort of originality really sets the series apart from others. Make sure to devote some serious time after the viewing to give your friends some background on how The Federation was always considered to be purely good. It'll really blow your friends minds to rethink through the series that you just had them watch and consider how interesting it would have been if they had been fully invested in the backstory.

    15. Re:What not to! by BaronAaron · · Score: 1

      I also vote for DS9, my wife loved the series for the same reasons the parent pointed out and got her interested in other scifi shows.

      If I was trying to get one of my buddies into Star Trek I might not go for DS9 though, it's pretty slow in the action department. It's going to depend on the person, there is probably no best fit series or movie for everyone.

    16. Re:What not to! by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Definitely a BMF.

      A what?

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    17. Re:What not to! by stdarg · · Score: 1

      There was another 90s show called Lexx. I didn't see it until it was in reruns, but it was quite enjoyable. Any show that has a half-lizard love slave is fine by me.

    18. Re:What not to! by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      It was the most emotionally complex Trek series, and showed a future that wasn't so clean and utopian, with people who weren't so predictable.

      THANK YOU! It was the only Trek series where humans acted like actual human beings. It was the only series that bore any resemblance at all to reality. All the others are so hopelessly utopian, they make me want to puke sometimes. "We've conquered poverty and live in a communist utopia with no money. And we also don't have sex and are completely professional" [he said in a robotic voice].

      There is a scene in DS9 that pretty much sums it all up for me when it comes to the annoyingly paternalistic attitude of the Federation and its damned utopianism. Quark makes a human drink and gives Garek a taste. Garek complains that it's "So sweet and cloying...like the Federation", to which Quark replies "I know, doesn't it make you sick?"

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    19. Re:What not to! by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      You know, until you posted that link, I'd never heard the acronym BMF used to denote anything other than 'bad motherfucker'. Learn something new everyday...

    20. Re:What not to! by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I had never heard the acronym BMF at all. That was just the first thing Google returned.

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    21. Re:What not to! by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      1 or 2 current shows don't make-up for the ~20 shows we had in the 90s. Hell even Syfy barely carries sci-fi or fantasy. Canceled SG1, SGA, SGU. Canceled BSG (okay it concluded). Canceled the excellent Caprica. Canceled Eureka. SFTV is in a sad state right now.

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    22. Re:What not to! by sorak · · Score: 1

      That is without a doubt my favorite episode.

    23. Re:What not to! by chebucto · · Score: 1

      The thing is, the utopianism is what makes trek Trek. DS9 was Babylon 5 with the pessimism of Battlestar Galactica in Starfleet uniforms.

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  4. I don't know the best way by 2.7182 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But I am pretty sure that showing them the episode "Spock's Brain" would be the worst way.

    1. Re:I don't know the best way by nura78 · · Score: 1

      "Threshold" would be another bad choice... or "Code of Honor", "Angel One", "A Night in Sickbay"..... Stay away from those :-P

    2. Re:I don't know the best way by Magic5Ball · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One could show Star Trek without Star Trek, by staring with good stories.

      TNG: Darmok
      DS9: The Visitor
      VOY: Blink of an Eye
      TOS: The Devil in the Dark, The City on the Edge of Forever

      (and a few others)

      Such stories are accessible to new viewers since they do not depend on much cannon or story arcs or character history to be fully enjoyable. The major cannon episodes that series fans enjoy for being loaded with many intersections of individual motivations, big conflicts, implicit story, and consequence (e.g., "The Best of Both Worlds") would be lost to anyone who had not been exposed to the big players and landmarks. Starting with character development episodes would bet too much on new viewers caring about the characters on first exposure, and similarly with arc development episodes.

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    3. Re:I don't know the best way by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      It's my second favorite science fiction episode of all time, right behind that episode of the original Battlestar Galactica where they mourn the loss of their home planet and the vast majority of the human race by going to an alien space disco.

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    4. Re:I don't know the best way by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

      Yes. The visitor is one of those few trek stories that can make you want to cry. I would also add DS9: Far Beyond the Stars to this list, although to fully appreciate it you need to have the DS9 backstory because parts of aren't fully understandable without it.

      The Siege of AR-558 and the Vic Fontaine stories are also good, as is most anything with Quark, who I think is one of the best trek actors of all time.

    5. Re:I don't know the best way by operagost · · Score: 2

      TNG episode "The Inner Light" may work as well.

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    6. Re:I don't know the best way by Mac+Scientist · · Score: 1

      Good call.

      I would add TNG: "The Inner Light"
      And TOS: "The Trouble with Tribbles"

    7. Re:I don't know the best way by Lord+Byron+Eee+PC · · Score: 2

      How about TNG's Inner Light, which is also available on Bluray?

    8. Re:I don't know the best way by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Would these be plasma cannons?

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  5. Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 1, Informative

    Start with Voyager. Seriously. Apart from the odd Q or Barclay episode, it doesn't require nearly as much pre-existing knowledge as any of the other next-gen series apart from the first season of TNG. And the first season of TNG mostly sucked.

    Alternatively, you could always start with J.J. Abrams.

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    1. Re:Voyager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also Voyager is the worst piece of star trek fiction to choose from, so it can only get better from that. Unless your friends are autistic there is no reason at all to watch Voyager. Star Trek 5 is a better use of their time, hell. Enterprise season 1-3 is better than Voyager.

    2. Re:Voyager by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Informative

      Holy fuckballs, do not start with Voyager. That is terrible advice.

      The Voyager characters were bland as fuck, the stories were retarded (outside of a few exceptions, Year of Hell comes to mind) and as a committed Star Trek junkie even I had a hard damn time pushing through many of them. I mean, I've read a lot of the novels and some of the comics and enjoyed most of them more than Voyager, and there is a lot of craptacular novels, believe me.

    3. Re:Voyager by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      as a committed Star Trek junkie even I had a hard damn time pushing through many of them. I mean, I've read a lot of the novels and some of the comics

      I think you left out the part where you give the advice on what to start with.

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    4. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      With the deepest respect, I suspect you had trouble pushing through Voyager because you were a "committed Star Trek junkie". The question is about how to get non-Trekkers interested in Trek. I still think that Voyager is probably going to do it better than any other series.

      My (admittedly non-scientific) experience is that non-Trekkers tend to like Voyager in a way that Trekkers don't.

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    5. Re:Voyager by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      Didn't you like Relativity and In the Blink of an Eye? I think they were season 5 or 6 episodes.

      Also, this scifi.stackexchange.com recommendation attempts to justify why Voyager should be the first choice.. Also, do ignore the fact that the linked answer is a recommendation for an 8-year-old girl

    6. Re:Voyager by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      I did in other comments, no need to keep repeating myself.

    7. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought the first season of TNG was actually not that bad.

      I don't want to get caught up defending throw-away remarks, but I'd like to point out two things:

      1. It was far better than most things on US TV in 1987. But compared to later seasons, it sucked like a gravitational anomaly.
      2. The problem was almost entirely budgetary.

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    8. Re:Voyager by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Actually Voyager's first two years aren't that bad... it has many of the same writers as TNG. But the show gradually lost its best writers as they went-off to other projects, and the quality plummeted.

      I also thoroughly enjoyed Voyager's last episode. ;-) And I liked the follow-on series Enterprise. Season 1 and season 4 were the best of that show.

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    9. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Oh, a quick meta-comment. Of the 500+ comments I've made here in the last 13 odd years, this one is, to my knowledge, the first to get more than one "-1, Troll". For some reason, I find this hilarious.

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    10. Re:Voyager by Bieeanda · · Score: 2

      Not only were the characters terrible, the actors hated them too. There are filmed interviews with them just laughing and ripping on the characters and the awful plots-- Kate Mulgrew even wrote Janeway off as fundamentally insane because her motivations veered like a desert driver stuck in a snowstorm.

    11. Re:Voyager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone who did introduce his girlfriend to Star Trek, I can tell you Voyager is a great place to start. It's not slow moving like many of the Next Generation episodes were, and the stories are all easy for normal people to relate to.

      I've never understood all of the irrational Voyager hatred. I grew up watching Voyager, and I'm a Star Trek fan because of that show. As an adult I've watched all the Star Trek series again end-to-end, and I can easily say Voyager on average has the highest quality episodes. True, The Next Generation had some classics, but it also had *a lot* of terrible episodes and characters. Wesley/Troi/Alexander much? Voyager had just as many classics: Scorpion, In the Blink of an Eye, Year of Hell, Phage, Tuvix, and many more. It explored the moral dilemmas and told exciting stories just like any of the other series.

      I think the real reason people hold a grudge against this show is they feel uncomfortable with a female lead. From talking to fellow Star Trek fans that's the vibe I've gotten. That and they felt Seven of Nine's outfit was an obvious ploy to attract male viewers (which is a legitimate complaint). People should spare the "get off my lawn" vitriol and give a fair chance.

    12. Re:Voyager by Gary+Perkins · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think it all depends on the person. In the case of my exwife, she HATED Star Trek when we first got together. However, when I was watching some season DVDs of Voyager, she slowly started watching more and more, until it became a nightly ritual to knock out some Trek before bed. After that, she moved on to DS9 (not so into it; Quark scared her lol), then TNG and Enterprise. To this day she's an avid Trekker, and has graduated to other scifi classics like Dr. Who. Others I've met started with DS9 or Enterprise. I suggest starting off with Episode 1 of whichever you choose, except TNG; start with maybe Season 3 of that one, as 1 and 2 are just too fucking cheezy overall... ;)

    13. Re:Voyager by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Voyager, also known as "Subatomic Particle of the Week Theater." Occasionally interspersed with "Brannon Braga's Transhumanist/Alien/Hybrid Evolution Storyline Retold with Different Characters."

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    14. Re:Voyager by benlwilson · · Score: 1
      Yeah, i totally agree.

      Start with Voyager and see what their response is. It's the easiest to watch for non-treks and doesn't seem horribly old fashioned like TOS and TNG do.

      The problem is that you can divide what people enjoy about a show/series into many different categories. Hardcore fans tend to require them to be perfect, or at least even, in all categories. The general public only care about one or two of the categories (random distribution) and couldn't care less if the others are crap.

    15. Re:Voyager by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're on crack. Enterprise isn't better than anything, everyone knows this.

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    16. Re:Voyager by Lense+of+Madness · · Score: 1

      I actually thought that her insanity made Janeway more interesting. Watching through the series again, in order, and in a relatively short period of time you really do get the sense that by season 4 Janeway is shifting her moral compass markedly. By season 7 she has obviously all sense of objectivity, makes dreadful and borderline evil command decisions, and should have been court martialed upon her return to Earth. The big shame there is that this was a golden opportunity for Chakotay to show some growth and confront her in a meaningful way (which they almost try to do once or twice, but then back away from actual interesting development there). Instead they basically abandon his character to his blandness.

    17. Re:Voyager by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      http://www.411mania.com/movies/dvd_reviews/43024/Star-Trek-Voyager---Season-Seven-DVD-Review.htm

      There are links to all 7 seasons on that link. EVERY episode is reviewed in a manner that would make Ben 'Yahtzee' Croshaw proud.

      Thus, my advice is read through those reviews, get a laugh, and the episodes that it said were good, generally were. Henceforth, cherry pick the GOOD Voyager episodes as a starting point.

    18. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Enterprise is better than Nemesis. But I understand if you blocked that movie out.

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    19. Re:Voyager by iamnobody2 · · Score: 1

      there is a lot of craptacular novels, believe me.

      yes, like the TNG/X-Men crossover novel. It's real it's called Planet X, and it is craptacular, probably not as bad as voyager though

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    20. Re:Voyager by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      I can see the argument that Voyager is the most accessible, but the show's ratings didn't really bear that out. TNG used to be hugely popular among people who weren't otherwise scifi fans, while it seems only the hardcore types were watching Voy out of some sense of loyalty.

      In this case I'd say the wisdom of the crowds is correct: TNG seasons 3-6, First Contact, TOS, Wrath of Kahn, and on from there.

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    21. Re:Voyager by mark-t · · Score: 2

      You have a 5 digid UID and *THAT* was your *FIRST* troll?

      That's not hilarious... that's just sad.

      It suggests to me that either you are a pathological conformist, virtually incapable of holding a controversial viewpoint for yourself, or else you have shown almost unimaginable restraint against divulging too much of your own opinions.

    22. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Let me be clear. It was the first time I got multiple troll moderations on the same post. (I think. Certainly first in a LONG time.)

      If I intend to troll, I do so anonymously like a good citizen. Slashdot also used to have the feature that you could voluntarily relinquish your karma bonus on a post-by-post basis. I very quickly realised that if I used that judiciously, it effectively limited how much I'd get modded down on any individual post. Damn, I miss that.

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    23. Re:Voyager by smisle · · Score: 1

      yeah, but what if they're a trekker that just doesn't know it yet? What did *you* start with?

      Personally, I started with First Contact, and yeah, I didn't get the references, didn't know about the Borg, etc. But, the acting was good, Patrick Stewart is hot and that led in to watching TNG, then TOS ... probably DS9 after I finish that.

      It really depends on what other types of shows your friends like to watch ... just because your girl friend is a girl doesn't mean that she automatically likes touchy-feely drama. Not saying she doesn't, but hopefully you know what she likes better than we do. :-)

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    24. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I think the first Star Trek I ever saw was a few repeats of the animated series. I'm pretty sure I saw that before the first movie. This may be why I don't self-identify as a trekker.

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    25. Re:Voyager by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      My wife who in general has no interest in Science Fiction has sat and watched episodes of Voyager with me, she seems to show interest in this show more so than other sci fi shows I've watched. (If she doesn't whip out the kindle, I know she's interested). I think she likes Neelix. She actually asks questions about characters and I think likes Janeway as a character. And whenever the Kazon are around I think I can tell she's thinking "oh that bitch Seska is back". We haven't made it to any 7 of 9 episodes yet, but we'll see how that goes. Perhaps it's the number of strong female characters in the show that interests her. I do get irritated at times though with a lot of the non-action Voyager episodes, ala lets strand two characters on a planet like Neelix and Tuvok and watch them argue, or lets strand Janeway and Chakotay and see if they have sex. I've seen pretty much all the TOS and TNG, I didn't really care as much for DS9, but will watch it if on. I think the freshness of Voyager and the lack of connection to TOS or TNG makes it good for beginners. You don't have to explain the nuances of nearly as many species, just Klingon and Vulcan, everything else explains itself as it goes along.

    26. Re:Voyager by HnT · · Score: 1

      I recently wanted to start watching Voyager and I did not even make it through the first season as it was just horrible. Shallow, bland characters aside what I really, REALLY hated is how fake, inconsistent and completely stupid their stories were. In what I saw of S1 they had a chance to go home literally at the snap of a finger at least 3 or 4 times and in each one of those instances they conjured up some bull about violating the Prime Directive or it wouldn't be ethical or some other completely fake and conjured up excuse - only to frakk with the politics and fate of whole planets in the next episode and get involved in ANYTHING as long as it somehow helped the writers squeeze out a cheap story.

      I also did not like the new "Enterprise" because of similar reasons and stopped watching even earlier in S1; bad, boring writing and even more shallow, bland characters - the most depth they could come up with was constantly showing Archer's doofus smirk/grin and his most important and deepest characteristic: he has a cute doggy! How adorable! And when they really wanted to develop characters and show incredible depth (hint: sarcasm) and "ingenuity" then they slapped yet another scene of "dinner in the captain's quarters" on there where, of course, nothing happens but blatant small talk and the ever-so-popular scene of seeing Archer cut up his food, yet again. A very popular scene for other characters as well, as they constantly show people sitting at a table cutting their food. I guess "Enterprise" was more a study of Archer's smirk and people's table manners. On top of that they completely twisted everything we have ever learned about the Vulcans and all of a sudden these were impulsive, arrogant, deceiving liars who would stop at nothing to frakk with humans.

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    27. Re:Voyager by mZHg · · Score: 1

      +1
      Enterprise is the worst of all ST series.. starting by the opening, omg, rock?! with lyrics?!
      This is the only ST serie I haven't buy.

    28. Re:Voyager by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      Or you can voice your controversial opinions in subtle, intelligent, and detailed ways that prevent people from just going "nuh uh!" and modding you -1 Disagree. I've been around at least around 12 years myself, almost never post unless I have something controversial to say (like, for two recent examples, "all laws are death threats" and "musicians who rely on copyright protection to make a living should just get a real job"), and can't remember once being modded Troll. Overrated a few times, but never Troll.

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    29. Re:Voyager by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      Wait, you mean the checkbox that says "No Karma Bonus". It's still there.

      By the way, how's that supposed to work? I regularly (monthly or so) get +5 mods, yet every post starts out at +1. When I first signed up, it was +1 for a while, then they started out at +2. Later, they have always been +1 regardless of checking No Karma Bonus or not.

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    30. Re:Voyager by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      J. J. Abrams made a Star Trek movie? No, no he did not! You can't tell me he did! There are only 9 Star Trek movies! DO YOU HEAR ME! ONLY NINE! ... well, depending on how involved you're into Star Trek...maybe even less then 7, though...

    31. Re:Voyager by hackula · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. 3 years ago now I decided that I wanted to watch every episode of Star Trek ever released. I had seen an episode or two as a kid but really had no idea what I was getting into. Well I started with TOS, and was immediately horribly bored to tears. The camp is just lost on someone who grew up with special effects and realistic acting. After a few episodes I went on and checked out TNG. Well, TNG had mostly the same effect. The production and acting are absolutely terrible in the first season. I then moved to Voyager, and was hooked. Voyager had just the right combo of cheese and grit. After that, I watched DS9, Enterprise (not as bad as everyone says), TNG, and TOS. I just have to say, even though everyone has their opinions about each of the series, most people have not seen all of the series in full. Many people will say they have, but most of them are lying through their teeth. There are close to 800 hours of Star Trek, and unless you really put forth the effort, there is no way you have seen them all. Each of the series requires you to watch it in full to really appreciate the nuances and joy of each of them. By the time I came back around to TOS and TNG, I loved them. Whenever I hear anyone complaining about any particular series, I am certain that they have not watched all or most of the episodes. If they had, they would not be complaining. I now typically say that I like DS9 best, but honestly, I like them all equally for all of their unique quirks and characters. Voyager was a good start, since it probably had one of the best first seasons, but they are all awesome in the end if you really sit down and give them a chance.

    32. Re:Voyager by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Or you can voice your controversial opinions in subtle, intelligent, and detailed ways that prevent people from just going "nuh uh!" and modding you -1 Disagree

      Which, if taken over 13 years, kinda fits the latter option I had mentioned.

    33. Re:Voyager by sorak · · Score: 1

      Voyager? The show where Tom Paris is the resident bad boy? The show with a space Indian who is one stereotype short of starting a casino? The show that devoted an entire season to answering trekkie questions? (What happens if the Enterprise goes above warp 9? Well, let's see! People de-evolve into lizards! That's what happens). The show where the captain dresses like someone's grandma, but is lusted after by half the galaxy? The only thing good about Janeway is that she looks like someone who is respected her for her mind.

      The show had the most brilliant premise, one that guaranteed conflict between the Maquis and Federation crew. They didn't even have a real doctor. Imagine how gritty that show could have been. They could have made Battlestar Galactica look like, well Voyager, by comparison.

      So, yeah, Enterprise is slightly better.

    34. Re:Voyager by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      You mean "shown almost unimaginable restraint against divulging too much of your own opinions"? I wouldn't say I really do that at all. If anything, it's going into excruciating detail on my opinions that I would credit with dodging downmods in disagreement. Well, and more to the point, having opinions which are so detailed to begin with, and not just "[your favorite thing] sucks!"

      I've been quite vocal about my opinions, and gotten into lots of great arguments with people who disagree vehemently. I want smoking in public banned (smokers call me a Nazi, but no Troll mods), I want copyright abolished completely (musicians scream bloody murder, but no Troll mods), I think drinking and driving shouldn't be a crime per se (people imply I'm happy to let maniacs run over children, but no Troll mods), I drive the speed limit in the fast lane on two-lane highways full of slower traffic in the slow lane even if people behind me want to speed (people call me an asshole, but no Troll mods), I'm a philosophical anarchist and libertarian socialist (everybody on every side of every debate thinks my ways would destroy everything they love, but no Troll mods).

      But because my opinions are more subtle and reasoned than "fuck smokers", "fuck musicians I want free music", "fuck it I'll drink and drive if I want", "fuck other drivers I own the road", "and fuck society I don't need them", the responses I get back are more than just "fuck you", -1 Disagree. Reason seems to invite reason in response.

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    35. Re:Voyager by anyGould · · Score: 1

      2. The problem was almost entirely budgetary.

      How so? TNG had a relatively large budget for it's time (IIRC, twice what WB gave Babylon 5)

    36. Re:Voyager by rvw14 · · Score: 1

      How many lights do you see?

    37. Re:Voyager by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      Starting with J.J is cool visually, but when they enjoy it, its hard to explain "well glad you liked it, but that's not the way things happened over the last 45 or so years", then toss them into the rest of the ST universe. J.J. is for someone who you have to have sit through a sci-fi flick, not for someone who you are introducing to the franchise itself.

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    38. Re:Voyager by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      Quark scared her? My sainted Mother, God rest her soul, died at the ripe old age of 76 and could quote no less than seven Rules of Acquisition. She was also a pretty successful merchant - go figure LOL.

      I always regret that she passed right before J.J. came out - that would have really baked her noodle.

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  6. Redshirts by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just a plug for Scalzi's new book, "Redshirts" - it's only indirectly about Star Trek, but well worth the read if you want to get into Trek....

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    1. Re:Redshirts by jbeaupre · · Score: 2

      I was rather disappointed by Redshirts. It started off well. But about 1/2 through, the deux ex machina showed up. And not a very good one. I know that is sort of the point of the book (there are a couple levels of parody). But it made the story arc peak too soon. The rest was a chore.

      At least that's one person's opinion. Other Scalzi books I'd happily reread. Not this one.

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  7. Odd question. by methano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People either know all about Star Trek or they don't. If they don't, it's because they don't want to. You'll only annoy them by trying to "introduce" them.

    Sometimes I'm glad that I'm old. Sheesh, "Introduce" somebody to Star Trek. What a weird concept.

    1. Re:Odd question. by Sparx139 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I only caught my first episodes of the show (TNG) last year. I'd like to get more familiar with the show, but I'm wondering where to start as well. There's just so many different series that it makes it difficult to know where to begin

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    2. Re:Odd question. by douglips · · Score: 1

      I've got kids who are about the same age I was when I first saw Star Trek. I'm introducing them. Does that count?

      My strategy is just to watch TOS, so far we've seen 4 episodes and they are popular with all the kids except one who is freaked out by Spock's ears. I think I'll wait a few months and see if he gets over that.

    3. Re:Odd question. by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Pick one and start watching. If it's DS9, from the beginning helps, but most Trek episodes stand alone.

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    4. Re:Odd question. by jps25 · · Score: 1

      And you need someone to hold your hand while watching a show?
      Not grown up enough to put a DVD in and hit play?
      Does someone still cut your food for you?

    5. Re:Odd question. by godrik · · Score: 1

      If you'd like to see them. I suggest watching them in order. I did ToS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager other the last 4 years. The order seemed appropriate. I did not watch any movies though (except the recent one).

    6. Re:Odd question. by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      I'd be really glad if someone would want to introduce me properly to this universe, but sadly, nobody has done it so far...

      I'd say just start from the beginning and watch them in order, but don't get hung up watching a particular episode if it's not grabbing you. Most fans will admit that there are some seriously shitty episodes, but with TOS and TNG anyway, most of the episodes are stand-alone stories that don't require familiarity with the previous episodes, although this changes starting with DS9, VOY, and then eventually you've got Enterprise where the entire 3rd season is essentially one enormous story-arc.

      Besides, it's all subjective anyway.

    7. Re:Odd question. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

      I would start with TNG, not DS9, atltough DS9 is my favorite Trek series

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    8. Re:Odd question. by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      People either know all about Star Trek or they don't. If they don't, it's because they don't want to. You'll only annoy them by trying to "introduce" them.

      I know a lot of people that weren't fans who became at least comfortable with watch the show (and sometimes big fans) after being introduced to it in a friendly environment: other people they know, some alcohol, and maybe some casual food. Part of the key was that it was only for new episodes during the first run of TNG, so it wasn't even an every week thing. The submitter should probably work with the same sort of not-every-night viewing so as to not overload the new viewers.

    9. Re:Odd question. by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2

      STNG is a good place to start. The first 2 seasons aren't great,...

      Yeah, but.

      The first episode, despite the way everyone sneers at the mere mention of "Encounter at Farpoint", gave me the one thing I'd been waiting for years to see. Ever since I bought my first Enterprise Technical Manual and saw that the saucer section could separate from the rest of the ship, I wanted to see that on screen. Right out of the gate, STNG gave me that. It earned enough goodwill from me, in that first act, for me to watch a couple of years of sometimes-mediocre stuff without a bit of complaint.

    10. Re:Odd question. by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Amen!

    11. Re:Odd question. by Jaruzel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Over the past 18 months or so, I've been watching TNG with my (now) almost-14 year old daughter. To start things off we shot through the first 6 films, then switched to TNG. Having recently finished TNG we've flipped back to the films (from Generations onwards) and are about to watch Insurrection. Due to time constraints (she's also chewing her way through Buffy* plus normal evening TV) we only did 'highlights' of TNG - about 10-12 episodes per season picked by me. I tried to ensure that all the key episodes were watched and that each character had enough screen time to develop over the seven seasons (interestingly, Seasons 6 and 7 are on reflection, almost all about Data).

      Her stand-out TNG moment so far are the Four Lights scenes in Chain of Command. Her favourite character is unsurprisingly Data**.

      Not sure where to go next to be honest, thinking of doing ENT - mainly because I've only seen it through once, so a revisit would be nice for me too.

      As far as Star Trek (2009) stands - I really didn't gel with it. Can't put my finger on what was wrong, but it definitely isn't proper Trek for me. :(

      * Thankfully she hates Twilight :D
      ** SPOILER ALERT: The end of Nemesis is really going to hit her HARD. :/

      Oh while, I'm at it - on topic for the OP: Almost 13 years ago I went to a house party. On the shelf there was a limited edition numbered box set of the first 5 Trek films on VHS so I asked whose it was. I'm now rapidly approaching my 10 year wedding anniversary with the owner of those tapes, and she is my soulmate, my inner trill, and a woman who loves Sci-Fi even more than I do. :D

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    12. Re:Odd question. by jps25 · · Score: 1

      Well, someone's a little sissy.

    13. Re:Odd question. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      ST2009 really isn't very Star Trekky.

      The problem is it manages to get the cool story flashy elements right but doesn't have much time to spare for the Utopia Sci-Fi world Roddenberry created. For example the whole point of the movie is that Kirk is the best man to run the Enterprise even tho he hasn't technically graduated college yet, because he's Kirk. His innate Kirkness is much more important to his command of the Enterprise then anything he may have learned serving as a Junior officer.

      In other words ST2009 is a set in a universe where talent doesn't need to be trained. It exists, and if you dont happen to have it (ie: you aren't Kirk)there's nothing you can do to succeed (ie: deserve the Enterprise).

      Most instructive is Abram's insistance that his Enterprise be bigger then Battlestar Galactica:
      http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise_comment.htm#size
      Abrams is more interested in having a bigger ship then Battlestar Galactica then learning what the words "Heavy Cruiser" mean.

    14. Re:Odd question. by coolmadsi · · Score: 1

      Over the past 18 months or so, I've been watching TNG with my (now) almost-14 year old daughter. To start things off we shot through the first 6 films, then switched to TNG. Having recently finished TNG we've flipped back to the films (from Generations onwards) and are about to watch Insurrection. Due to time constraints (she's also chewing her way through Buffy* plus normal evening TV) we only did 'highlights' of TNG - about 10-12 episodes per season picked by me. I tried to ensure that all the key episodes were watched and that each character had enough screen time to develop over the seven seasons (interestingly, Seasons 6 and 7 are on reflection, almost all about Data).

      Her stand-out TNG moment so far are the Four Lights scenes in Chain of Command. Her favourite character is unsurprisingly Data**.

      Not sure where to go next to be honest, thinking of doing ENT - mainly because I've only seen it through once, so a revisit would be nice for me too.

      As far as Star Trek (2009) stands - I really didn't gel with it. Can't put my finger on what was wrong, but it definitely isn't proper Trek for me. :(

      * Thankfully she hates Twilight :D ** SPOILER ALERT: The end of Nemesis is really going to hit her HARD. :/

      Oh while, I'm at it - on topic for the OP: Almost 13 years ago I went to a house party. On the shelf there was a limited edition numbered box set of the first 5 Trek films on VHS so I asked whose it was. I'm now rapidly approaching my 10 year wedding anniversary with the owner of those tapes, and she is my soulmate, my inner trill, and a woman who loves Sci-Fi even more than I do. :D

      My girlfriend got me into Star Trek with TNG; Data was my favourite too. After that we watched Voyager, which she liked (a show that actually had a strong female lead appealed to her when she was growing up watching it).

      I saw Star Trek 2009 once, it seemed very "Star Trek-y" and covered a number of the tropes and interactions that I would have expected, however I thought the plot was rubbish. My girlfriend didn't like it because she said "Kirk kept on getting his ass handed to him", which is unlike what she expects of Kirk, and the big red ball just seemed like a stupid plot device.

  8. Well... by Sasayaki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who introduced my ex to Trek a few years back, and who's still in largely into it despite not being together anymore, I took the simple approach of "show the good, skip the crap".

    More specifically, this is what I did:

    - Saw Star Trek 2009. Explained beforehand, very briefly, that it was a "darker and edgier reboot" of the original series that for canon purposes took place in an alternate universe. Answer any questions she has ("Why is Spock bleeding green? What is a Romulan? What is Warp?")
    - Showed her DS9 and TNG, especially First Contact, since that's one of my favourites, along with Generations.
    - Watched some Voyager, some Enterprise, etc. A bit of everything.

    And that was it. Again... show the good stuff, skip the crap stuff ("Threshold"? What is that? I am not aware of any episode with that title). It's a show with a huge body of content; there are some gems in there, but there are some poo nuggets too.

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    1. Re:Well... by Sasayaki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, don't fucking go on a massive rant about Subject X. If she asks, "What is Warp?" Just say, "It lets the ship go faster than light." Don't regurgitate the entire Memory Alpha article that you've memorized or possibly helped write.

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    2. Re:Well... by magarity · · Score: 2, Informative

      If she asks, "What is Warp?" Just say, "It lets the ship go faster than light."

      That's way too technical; the correct answer is: "That's how the ship goes from one planet to another"

    3. Re:Well... by Randle_Revar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If "It lets the ship go faster than light." is too technical, it is time for a new girlfriend.

    4. Re:Well... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Also, don't fucking go on a massive rant about Subject X. If she asks, "What is Warp?" Just say, "It lets the ship go faster than light."

      How do they respond if you chuckle a little and say "that's cute"?

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    5. Re:Well... by hotdoghead · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Anyone who's already shown some interest in watching Star Trek can certainly handle that.

    6. Re:Well... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      I'd rather be technical and correct than dumb it down and be plain wrong.

      Warp allows the ship to travel between the stars, and impulse allows the ship to travel within a star system, I.e. between planets. This is not pedantic, first of all inconsistency will put somebody off anything, and its an interstellar difference were talking about here!

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    7. Re:Well... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      How do they respond if you chuckle a little and say "that's cute"?

      If you want to maintain your relationship, the answer is gracefully.

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    8. Re:Well... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2

      - Saw Star Trek 2009. Explained beforehand, very briefly, that it was a "darker and edgier reboot" of the original series that for canon purposes took place in an alternate universe. Answer any questions she has ("Why is Spock bleeding green? What is a Romulan? What is Warp?")

      It might help to point out that the rest of Trek wasn't directed by J.J. Abrams and thus has things besides lens flares visible on screen.

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    9. Re:Well... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 2

      Try reading my username. Female ability to get laid is not affected by our perceived geekiness, if anything it's easier to get laid because geeky men who can't get laid throw themselves desperately at geeky women. Knuckle-draggers just look at my figure and fancy me anyways, regardless of my perceived geekiness.

      Just sayin'.

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    10. Re:Well... by der_joachim · · Score: 1

      If you want to maintain your relationship, do not force feed her Star Trek. There are many SciFi series out there that appeal to a wider (and more female) audience.

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    11. Re:Well... by mZHg · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      If you are motivated enough, the best order is the created one (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT) but to discover ST...
      I think it's a good idea to start with ST 2009. it's new and not completely into ST, give a good preview.
      DS9 is a good second choice IMO. Not too old so does not look too cheap, the story and characters are good. But not completely into ST too.It's also the darkest ST series for me (and my favorite)
      Then you can go with TOS and/or TNG, which are plain ST.
      TNG can be boring if she doesn't understand the ST philosophy, it's not easy to see behind the main story, the message Gene wanted to tell us.

    12. Re:Well... by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      As someone who introduced my ex to Trek a few years back, and who's still in largely into it despite not being together anymore, I took the simple approach of "show the good, skip the crap".

      This is good advice; even hard-core nerds would give up their left d20 rather than sit through the dregs of the Trek franchise. Except you left off the Family Guy episode where Stewie kidnaps the cast of TNG. That is mandatory viewing for anyone who has seen more than one episode of TNG.

      With my wife, the osmosis approach has worked best. When we can't decide on a movie, I queue up Khan. When it's raining out and we're bored--hey, an excuse to watch the new TNG blu-ray. By the time we saw Star Trek 2009 she was able to figure out that Vulcans must have green blood. On a side note, I was this close to convincing her to let me name our son Jean-Luc (she's French), but my plan backfired when she said "wait a minute, do you really just like that name, or are you seriously trying to name our son after a Star Trek captain?" I said "how do you feel about Tiberius?" She was not amused.

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    13. Re:Well... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      Actually, that was quite well played, Sir!

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  9. Next Gen Q by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Next Generation Q episodes are the most demented fun. From Picard waking up in bed after a sexual encounter only to be greeted by Q to my favorite exchange in the final "All Good Things" episode:

    Elderly Picard: Q, where's the anomaly?
    Elderly Q raises horn to ear: Where's your mommy? Why, I don't know.

    1. Re:Next Gen Q by magarity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, while Q was acted well, he was the worst plot device in the entire franchise and is guaranteed to put off any new viewer. Even worse than the holodeck on Voyager.

    2. Re:Next Gen Q by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      That seems like a joyless take on some entertaining episodes. Oh well, too each his own.

    3. Re:Next Gen Q by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, Q was one of the most entertaining characters on the show. I'd rather watch a Q episode than a goddamned Dr. Crusher episode, that's for sure. I mean, Sub Rosa...what a piece of shit.

    4. Re:Next Gen Q by dotsandlines · · Score: 2

      I actually think Voyager needed a character like Q a lot more than TNG did. Voyager needed a recurring villain that they could meet up with every now and then even though their main goal was to travel as fast as possible back home. Q could have done that, while tempting them with instant transport home if only they'd sufficiently prove their humanity out in the oh so dangerous delta quadrant. That might still qualify him as a dumb plot device, but it would have made a little more sense. Instead, Voyager kept meeting with the same dumb villains over and over again even though they should have fled their territory after three episodes, and killed off potentially interesting shipboard recurring characters, like Brad Dourif's psychopath crewman.

    5. Re:Next Gen Q by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Next Generation Q episodes are the most demented fun. From Picard waking up in bed after a sexual encounter only to be greeted by Q to my favorite exchange in the final "All Good Things" episode:

      The Next Generation My Little Pony episodes are the most demented fun. From Pinkie Pie saying "Eternal chaos comes with chocolate rain, you guys. Chocolate rain!" to the introduction of a villain named Discord voiced by John de Lancie, reprising his role as an animated version of "Q".

      Picard/Celestia: This doesn't make sense!
      Discord/Q: Making sense? Oh, what fun is there in making sense?

      Of course then you have to explain to your girlfriend that you're a Trekker and a Brony, which probably leaves you worse off than you were when you started, but eventually, when wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

    6. Re:Next Gen Q by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      I think it's just another example of the character growth that went on on TNG, the early seasons do not seem like they're about the same characters as the later ones almost across the board. Q was no exception; like the Ferengi, it seems like they wrote him to be menacing but the character came off more like a prankster, and once they embraced that, I think they really put out some good stuff.

      The episode Tapestry stands out as a good Q episode that really gave a better overall impression of the character (which, seeing as it's a sixth season episode, makes sense).

    7. Re:Next Gen Q by humanrev · · Score: 1

      Q was entertaining, but he made a terrible villain.

      Q wasn't a villain. In fact I wouldn't consider Q to ever have been anything close to a villain. A villain would be out to cause serious harm to Picard and the Enterprise without benefit to anyone apart from said villain. Q's interest was in helping Picard learn to expand his knowledge and bounds through adversity. He wanted to test Picard, to see if he was capable of higher thinking - it's just that his style of... "teaching" was perhaps more perilous than most would have expected. He didn't play it soft with the situations he forced Picard/his crew to endure because he knew the only way to learn would be through experiences, of which many (e.g. the Borg, Picard's death, the prevention of human cells or something forming in the first place) were of significantly high stakes.

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    8. Re:Next Gen Q by godrik · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Q episodes are about the most boring ones... They are random and pointless (except the sotry arc in voyager which was OK).

    9. Re:Next Gen Q by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 2

      Brohoof!
      I wish I had mod points and you hadn't posted AC. Me and my SO both laughed at this.
      And to answer the original question, start with DS9. It's absolutely the best series of the bunch. I started her watching earlier this year and we're already halfway through season seven (we skipped the Maquis episodes because the Maquis plotline was stupid). She insists on watching an episode or two of DS9 every night - she's a bigger fan of the show than I was. Then we mixed in a few TNG and TOS episodes for fun when DS9 had a few too many dark episodes in a row. Don't bother with Voyager; it rapidly becomes unwatchably retarded after the first few episodes. I couldn't even watch the whole first season when it first ran. I have no opinion on Enterprise, since I've never seen the show.

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    10. Re:Next Gen Q by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Q was no exception; like the Ferengi, it seems like they wrote him to be menacing but the character came off more like a prankster, and once they embraced that, I think they really put out some good stuff.

      The Ferengi are explained by the creators of the show that they are "menacing" in their first appearance because that's how that particular group of Ferengi made their money.

      Yes, the reality is that the show runners realized that some "clowns of the galaxy" could be fun to write, but even as late as DS9, some Ferengi were quite dangerous.

    11. Re:Next Gen Q by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Q was never meant to be a villain.

      He represented that even though it was the future, and the crew, their society and technology were massively more advanced than us in every way, that they still did not know everything and there were bigger fish in the universe.

      Q always made it a point that humans were inferior in every way possible, but he was sufficiently impressed with them to toy around, and if there were very lucky, they might learn something in the process.

      I always saw him as a checks and balances against the whole universe.

    12. Re:Next Gen Q by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      And the Borg should have stayed that way. An almost unstoppable force (not the wussies they became in VOY)

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    13. Re:Next Gen Q by slew · · Score: 1

      Q is a fallen angel. A plot device as old as the bible.

    14. Re:Next Gen Q by humanrev · · Score: 1

      So what? Q's fun. The bible's not.

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    15. Re:Next Gen Q by unixhero · · Score: 1

      Seriously??? (I am watching through Voyager now and it is just as good as any of the other treks, different, but really good) The only problem now is that I don't know who I want to impregnate more, T'Pol of Enterprise or Seven of One in Voyager. Both are stunning. T'Pol would probably kick Seven's ass, but then again Seven is badder. Decisions decisions.

    16. Re:Next Gen Q by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      I was going to reply with exactly this. Q was never a villain. Anyone with that impression doesn't understand the meaning of the character. If he was anything, he was more of a friendly rival to Picard. The things Picard did perplexed Q, who until that time had assumed the human race was nothing but a degenerate lot. So he tested the Enterprise D, and more specifically Picard on many occasions. However Picard always managed to pull through to let Q know that humanity, while inferior and with much to learn, couldn't be counted out just yet.

    17. Re:Next Gen Q by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding?!The Q character is brilliant for exposing and exploring the funnier sides of our species.

      He's Job's God without the Creator-ship

    18. Re:Next Gen Q by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Q's fun. The bible's not.

      I'm not a religious person, but I think you're reading the wrong bits and in the wrong translation to boot. It certainly has its fair share of dullness, but there's some pretty decent blood, guts and sex stories, especially in the old testament. It's a bit random at times, and obviously not very modern in terms of plot devices, etc. Don't approach it as a religious text by which you should live your life. Approach it as an ancient collection of stories, like you would if you were reading the Oddesy, or the Epic of Gilgamesh (or the Eddas for something a bit more modern) or something like that.

      Reading ancient stories can be quite fun and informative. It is really quite amazing how little people change, and how little (tech aside) is new.

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    19. Re:Next Gen Q by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah. When Q was introduced, his power and distaste for the human race was made very apparent. By the end of the trial, he was intrigued by Picard, and things were never the same between them. He may have been a "villainous" character as an introduction, but that's often how rivals are created.

    20. Re:Next Gen Q by Immerman · · Score: 1

      For that matter I think Q was featured in the Eddas, though he was going under the name of Loki at the time. Not really good or evil, but any time he shows up you know things are about to get interesting.

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  10. what not to see by roc97007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't let them watch any episodes of Enterprise (with the possible exception of "In a mirror, darkly"). It's the only way to retain your credibility.

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    1. Re:what not to see by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      The Carbon Creek episode was good.

  11. Gotta Start with TOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oddly enough, I've just been watching a few of the first episodes on Netflix - I'd really forgotten how well-done they were, dramatically. "Balance of Terror" might be the best showcase for Shatner - very low-key performance, believe it or not! The structure of the Enterprise crew is also well-highlighted, a feature that fell by the wayside all too soon, unfortunately. "Corbomite Maneuver" is along the same lines, and of course, "Naked Time" is a must-see.

    1. Re:Gotta Start with TOS by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, the bad 1990s hairdos in TNG have not aged well yet.

      OMFG the perms, I'd forgotten how much they loved their damn perms in the early seasons (I generally skip TNG seasons one and two when rewatching).

    2. Re:Gotta Start with TOS by westlake · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, I've just been watching a few of the first episodes on Netflix - I'd really forgotten how well-done they were, dramatically.

      William Windon's turn as Commodore Matt Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" is as persuasive and memorable a performance as anything you will find in the long history of the Star Trek franchise.

    3. Re:Gotta Start with TOS by Provocateur · · Score: 3, Funny

      And don't forget 'City on the Edge of Forever,' a Hugo award winner. And a GF winner I believe.

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    4. Re:Gotta Start with TOS by unitron · · Score: 1

      That's because Windom was pretty much good in everything he did. Especially as Thurber.

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  12. Are you serious? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    Are you serious? If you actually like Star Trek, you should start with the Start Trek series you still like, and stop with the series where you know they've jumped the shark. And I don't think we need to tell you what those are.

  13. The Films? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 2

    Perhaps go with the films? I was never a big Star Trek fan. I preferred Babylon 5. I loved the original films though. In fact, I really have liked every feature film I've seen. Maybe that can be an entry way into the TV series.

    1. Re:The Films? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Skip the fifth movie; in fact, deny that it even existed. Probably should skip the first one as well, and the final TNG movie, and the one before that, but the rest are pretty good. Especially see II, III[1], IV, VI, First Contact, and the '09 reboot.

      I'm a B5 partisan myself, though it's certainly had its weak moments as well. Kicking and punching to control a ship's weapons, for instance.

      [1] mainly because IV won't make as much sense if you don't see this first.

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    2. Re:The Films? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      I have only ever seen it once, and that was when it premiered in theaters. Now that I remember it, I didn't like it, so you got me. But it all fairness, of all the sci-fi themed movies you could have seen in 1989, it wasn't The Fly II or Millennium.

  14. Don't bother by Charcharodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't bother "introducing" anything to them, just simply pop in one of the newer movies (the reboot would probably be the best place to start) or start watching one of the newer series. If they are interested they'll join you and get "hooked". If you force it on them you are pretty much hosed and will never get them to watch any of them again.

    1. Re:Don't bother by uncle+slacky · · Score: 1

      This. My 13-year-old daughter has recently got hooked on TOS (wasn't keen on TNG) as I tend to stick it on (the remastered version is shown regularly on the CBS Action channel on satellite TV in Europe). Luckily the better episodes were on at the time (Tribbles, City on the Edge of Forever) but she's definitely hooked.

      It's a shame that the current young generation don't really have a Trek to call their own, though.

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    2. Re:Don't bother by Pope · · Score: 1

      Agreedo. I don't understand why this is even an Ask Slashdot question, let alone something someone would ask in real life, as if it took more effort than organizing a TV or movie night and playing a few different things.

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  15. The Inner Light by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get them to watch The Next Generation episode "The Inner Light." This was by far one of the best hours of television in history. Then maybe "City on the Edge of Forever" from the original series. If those don't hook them, don't bother trying any further, it's a hopeless cause.

    1. Re:The Inner Light by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      Agreed. The Inner Light was just a beautiful episode.

    2. Re:The Inner Light by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      I'll agree with you on "The Inner Light" (and I'd add "Tapestry"), but I'll never understand why everyone likes "City on the Edge of Forever" so much. Personally, I think that's one of the worst episodes of TOS.

      If you want to show people TOS, I'd go with "The Doomsday Machine" or "Balance of Terror".

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    3. Re:The Inner Light by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You'll miss a lot by having inner light as your first episode. Part of the power is that Picard changes a bit; he goes from not liking kids to having them, from being single to having a wife, etc. You'll lose all that if you haven't familiarized yourself with the character by watching other episodes.

    4. Re:The Inner Light by Turidoth · · Score: 1

      I'd add Gambit to that list... basically any episode with Picard being Picard and a moral that reveals itself at the end. Drumhead might be too heavy though

    5. Re:The Inner Light by Shempster · · Score: 1

      Heads up I didn't plagiarize you dude! Those were my two favorites, though there are a few more really close to the same quality as those two episodes. Its just fantastic storytelling in sci-fi TV. If they are bored, reruns of 24 or Walking Dead might do.

    6. Re:The Inner Light by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I think these qualify as "girlfriend-friendly" episodes, because they have great romance plots but don't emphasize the techno-babble. (I'm assuming a stereotypical female here, which is not always the best assumption....)

      They're not very representative, but if you have a girlfriend who hasn't watched a lot of sci-fi at all, these could nudge her into the sorts of possibilities that sci-fi creates while allowing very "human" plots (like a good "chick-flick" drama).

      Add a couple more character-driven episodes, and then you can work your way into a couple "moral question" episodes. Mix it up with some of the suspense and cliff-hanger episodes, and save the "action-heavy" and overly technical sci-fi episodes for the time after you have her hooked and watching a series from beginning to end.

  16. Take it a little farther by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Marry the girlfriend. Have a child with her. When the child gets old enough, start the child on Star Trek, watching it with you and the wife.

    Worked for me. Although, to tell the truth, Valerie watched some Star Trek with me before Stanley came along.

    1. Re:Take it a little farther by Alomex · · Score: 1

      start the child on Star Trek

      Personally, I'd consider that child abuse. He'll grow up believing that... this... is... the... way... to... speak... as... an... actor.

      He'll grow up believing that if you travel half the galaxy and meet a wonderful new civilization the best thing to do is to engage in hand to hand combat while the red shirts (go happen to be preferentially of a certain skin color) get killed in combat.

      This is, unless, of course if said civilization members are all hot babes wearing negligees, in which case one's captain must proceed to mate with them, without fear of this leading to some sort of intergalactic AIDS epidemic.

    2. Re:Take it a little farther by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a hell of a lot of work just to get a broad into Star Trek. Do you have something in the "month or two" timeframe?

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    3. Re:Take it a little farther by tpstigers · · Score: 1

      Please. ALL new civilizations are made up entirely of babes wearing negligees. And 'intergalactic AIDS epidemic'? What are you talking about? We have Star Trek medicine, for crying out loud.

    4. Re:Take it a little farther by EdIII · · Score: 1

      So you wait until she commits to marriage... then has a child with you.... before you spring Star Trek on her in an indirect way....

      Sounds like unexpected vendor lock-in :)

      The irony...

    5. Re:Take it a little farther by hey! · · Score: 1

      Marry the girlfriend. Have a child with her.

      Interesting. I was thinking more along the lines of gamma-hydroxybutyrate.

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  17. Brain and brain! What is brain? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 2

    OK it's camp, but it is my favorite. The "french-fried brains" look on McCoy's face after using the Teacher helmet: Priceless.

  18. Maybe.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Farscape first?

    1. Re:Maybe.. by hackula · · Score: 1

      Saw that on netflix. Is it actually good? The cover art reminded me of Andromeda or something.

    2. Re:Maybe.. by alexo · · Score: 1

      Farscape first?

      and last.

  19. Start Rek by danielpauldavis · · Score: 2

    Save "The Wrath of Khan" for later or last, as it's the best of the "T.O.S." movies ("First Contact" is the best of the "TNG" movies.) Start with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (star Sally Kellerman shows the early influence). Then merely show the best, while including story-important episodes such as "The Trouble with Tribbles," "A Private Little War," etc. to show the evolution of the Federation's relationship with the Klingons. Then "Balance of Terror," "The Enterprise Incident," etc. for the Romulans.

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  20. Introducing to star trek? by InspectorGadget1964 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Get Scotty to beam them up!

  21. Bad idea...no, worst idea. by tmosley · · Score: 1

    Before doing something catastrophic, like making them watch one of the new movies, watch this: http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-first-contact/

    DO NOT SHOW THEM ANY OF THE NEW STAR TREK MOVIES. PERIOD.

    If you want to show them movies, show them the good ones from TOS.

    1. Re:Bad idea...no, worst idea. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Dude...

      That's hilarious. He rips the whole movie apart.

  22. Begin at the beginning... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

    The best TOS episode for that is The Cage, the pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Christopher Pike, that didn't quite make it on the network and later was incorporated into the two-part Menagerie. Follow that up with Where No Man Has Gone Before, then Charlie X, then move on through the series from there. If they don't get it with the original series, they'll be lost on the rest.

  23. Depends on which Trek by Tepar · · Score: 1

    Since much of the joy of Star Trek is about the characters, pick the characters you like the best. If you're going with the originals (a good bet since the 2009 reboot, since they're now the new "current" Star Trek), pick a couple character-driven episodes like Amok Time and Space Seed, and then go right to The Wrath of Khan and watch the TOS movies in order. By then, there should be enough interest in those characters to go back and watch more old episodes, and maybe TMP.

    If you want to go with TNG, for your own sake, skip the first season. I might start, again, with something really well-written and character driven: season 2's "The Measure of a Man," and then maybe just continue with the episodes from there. There's not much of the series before that is must-watch anyway.

    I'd stick to one of those two paths. DS9 is my favorite series, but I think it's better to start with TNG or TOS since they're the most well known.

  24. Depends on the girlfriend by fiziko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What does your girlfriend like to watch? Start with the episodes/movies that are closest to that. For some people, "Star Trek: First Contact" is the best intro. For others, it's the JJ Abrams reboot, for others it's DS9, etc. "Star Trek: Insurrection" is often referred to as "Star Trek: Date Movie" for good reason; that might be a starting place.

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  25. best of both worlds by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    The problem with TNG is that there were so many good episodes... and so many mediocre episodes. And several that started plot lines that were never completed.

    I always considered "The Best of Both Worlds" to be a three-parter, including the episode "Family". That might be a good place to start.

    Other interesting parings might be "the trouble with tribbles" followed by "more tribbles, more troubles", and "mirror, mirror", "the tholian web", and "through a mirror, darkly".

    "Yesterday's Enterprise" was another really good episode.

    As far as the movies are concerned, you can easily skip 1, 5, 9 and 10

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    1. Re:best of both worlds by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The problem with TNG is that there were so many good episodes... and so many mediocre episodes. And several that started plot lines that were never completed.

      This is why I dont mind the fact that modern series have been cut down to 10 episodes a season. I've always been a fan of the British way of doing serials, when TNG and B5 were offering up 24 odd eps a season, maybe half were good and only 4 or 5 of them were gold. At the same time Red Dwarf served up 6 1/2 hour episodes per season and almost every single one was pure gold.

      I suppose the point I am making is quality over quantity. Have fewer filler episodes and poor the money from those into making better episodes. Realistically there were seasons of TNG/DS9 that had 18 filler episodes in them.

      How bad would Game of Thrones be if they stretched the budget out to have 15 or 20 eps a season? This week Robb Stark picks his nose and talks a lot, even with all the material from the books, it would still get boring and quality would suffer.

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    2. Re:best of both worlds by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Although neither of us would be happy were I drawn into a discussion of Game of Thrones, I agree in spirit. Fewer, higher quality episodes makes tremendous sense to me. I find that most of the shows I watch tend to fall in that category -- White Collar, Burn Notice, the British Sherlock series. I would opine that it's part of a general paradigm shift in television watching habits -- away from the TV Dinner, 3 channel, Watch Whatever's On Until 11:00 O'Clock, to very selective and deliberate viewing of content that directly interests the viewer. (At a time and place, I add, of the viewer's choosing, but that's a different discussion.)

      Specifically to Trek, despite being a rabid (RABID) fan of TOS, I never did finish TNG, saw only about four episodes of Voyager total, dumped Enterprise midway through the first season, and couldn't bring myself to watch DS9 past the second season, precisely because of what you mention -- too many filler episodes in a row, and my eyes start to glaze over and I start to think of all the other things I could be doing were I not sitting here.

      It does seem sometimes that the major networks act like they have a guaranteed audience -- that huge masses of people can be depended upon to spend every non-Friday weeknight on the couch from 7:00 to 11:00, and the only question is which network gets the most eyes. You can sandwich a stinker between two hits and get eyes on it, and you can have a long stretch of nuthin' in the season as long as the finale has a lot of action and ends on a cliffhanger. The thing is, there's a whole 'nother generation for which the idea of television only occurring in real time, is an alien one. And that breaks a paradigm that has existed for 60 years.

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    3. Re:best of both worlds by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Although neither of us would be happy were I drawn into a discussion of Game of Thrones, I agree in spirit.

      GOT was just a prominent example but a bit off topic, Doctor Who is another good example and even then they have 1-2 filler eps per season.

      BTW, DS9 did not get good until season 3/4, ENT was crap so you didn't miss much.

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    4. Re:best of both worlds by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Doctor Who is a good example, at 13 episodes it had a minimum (but not zero, you're right) of filler episodes. The seasons that had a story arc that progressed through each episode were the best, in my opinion.

      Oddly, Showtime's Torchwood, Miracle Day seemed about 3/4 filler per episode, and I finally gave up on it after four episodes. Never did find out what happened, don't care, don't ever want to waste my time with that show again.

      I had heard that DS9 got edgier towards the end, and things actually started happening that remained happened through subsequent episodes. (You know what I mean -- as opposed to episodes specifically made so that they could be shown in any order.) It sounded marginally interesting, but I had gotten so bored with the characters and the premise by that time that I couldn't make myself go back to it. Maybe some day.

      And that's another thing -- when you start a series, you need to get to the point in some reasonable time, or risk losing your audience. SGU had this issue -- by the time they finally got to the real story arc, we were all mind-numb from hours of pointless squabbles. Moreover, when a series story arc leads to a conclusion, GET TO THAT CONCLUSION. By artificially drawing it out, you have forfeited your right to my viewing time. Challenge the writers to find a new story arc in the same framework after the current arc is complete.

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  26. DS9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have gotten my very good friend and my girlfriend into DS9. I both had a general interest in Star Trek, and DS9 is my favorite series... that's how I choose. I walked them through the 2 part series premier just so that they get the general storyline and are introduced to all the characters. After that, the next episode I play is "The Jem'Hadar" Season 2, Episode 26. This is when they first encounter The Jem'Hadar / Dominion and sets the course for the rest of the series. It is a very suspenseful and action packed episode. My friend was hooked and after seeing 4-5 episodes into season 3, he suggested that we start watching them from season 1 thru the entire series and we did (that was around 10 years ago). I recently used the same tactic on my girlfriend and we have been watching 1 or 2 episodes at a time, every few days ever since. She's even the one to suggest watching it sometimes! I don't have much advice about the other series. Good luck.

  27. First things first! by Neutral_Observer · · Score: 2

    How did you manage to even get a girl in your basement?

    1. Re:First things first! by Flere+Imsaho · · Score: 1

      How did you manage to even get a girl in your basement?

      Rohypnol's a hell of a drug.

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      His mom kidnapped the girl and took her at knifepoint to his basement. Just like any good mom would do.

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  28. San Fransisco! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

    Start with Star Trek IV, it's very accessible.

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    1. Re:San Fransisco! by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      The save the whales movie? Ugh, might as well watch TOS The Way to Eden: Space hippies!

    2. Re:San Fransisco! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Um, no, by 1982 they had figured out how to give Star Trek characters... character. It's a cute movie and, if it's appreciated, opens the door to watch 2 and 3. Okay, it's out of order, but the Star Trek triology is a cinematic classic.

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    3. Re:San Fransisco! by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      All the humorous moments in Star Trek IV are based on the cultural iconography of Captain Kirk and Mr Spock. Someone who's never seen Trek before won't know the characters and probably won't "get it".

      (Plus, Trekkies never seemed to understand this movie was a big hit because of the kitch-factor. The save-the-whales plot wasn't that entertaining.)

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    4. Re:San Fransisco! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Kirk and Spock are iconic enough, even to somebody who hasn't seen the show, that it'd typically work.

      The Save the Whales plot would go over better than Evil Clone, Fountain of Youth, Borg Invasion, Temporal Nexus, Klingon Cold War, Search for God, bringing Spock back to Life, a 15 year feud, and an Alien thingy who wants to meet mommy.

      I left out Abrams movie because I've thought about it a bit and I'm mulling over whether or not I'd show that before 4 or wait for the end where it'll be most appreciated.

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  29. WHAT?!? by humanrev · · Score: 1

    I have a few friends, plus my girlfriend, who I would like to introduce to Star Trek.

    Are you deliberately trying to sabotage your social and sex life?

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    1. Re:WHAT?!? by inthealpine · · Score: 1

      You never know. I had a girlfriend who turned out to be a huge TNG fan. She was a 6 ft. slender African (as in black and from Africa) with a slight sporadic British accent, a BS in computer science and a 'thing' for giving head during TNG.
      I was never allowed to reveal to our co-workers that she was a 'nerd'.
      So...when I say you never know, your really don't.

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    2. Re:WHAT?!? by hackula · · Score: 1

      It is entirely unacceptable to be distracted during TNG. I hope you got rid of her so you could enjoy your Trek in peace.

  30. Give the gift of streaming by utkonos · · Score: 1

    If you want them to really get into it, buy them a Roku and a gift membership to Netflix.

  31. Select a few episodes that you love by j33px0r · · Score: 1

    Ok, the most important aspect is for you to pick episodes that you like because your enthusiasm will be contagious like the Tarellian plague. Second, you might want to throw in a few silly episodes, something...that...shows...Shatner's...acting...skills... Newer episodes will win for special effects, older episodes will win for cult factor. Good stories are mixed amongst all of the series.

    My wife loves all Star Trek except the original episodes which is a bit frustrating because the originals are my favorite. But everyone is different and you can't force someone to like something. Just expose them to it and let their own interests carry them onward where no man has gone before!

  32. you lie! by jjeffries · · Score: 4, Funny

    >"I have a few friends, plus my girlfriend"

    Oh, c'mon... I stopped believing you right there.

  33. A subject ot great concern by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Are you afraid if you do it wrong something bad might happen?

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  34. Speak to her in Klingon... by multiben · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and nothing else. She will either adapt or leave you.

    1. Re:Speak to her in Klingon... by yabos · · Score: 1

      bat'leth, sto'vo'kor, p'tak!

    2. Re:Speak to her in Klingon... by whovian · · Score: 1

      ...and nothing else. She will either adapt or leave you.

      Alternatively, there's a small chance she'll impale you with your own replica ba'tleth. Women are rather creative creatures that way.

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    3. Re:Speak to her in Klingon... by million_monkeys · · Score: 1

      ...and nothing else. She will either adapt or leave you.

      Alternatively, there's a small chance she'll impale you with your own replica ba'tleth. Women are rather creative creatures that way.

      If she does, you know you've got a keeper.

  35. start with the original series by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Funny

    The one where Vader hacks off his son's hand with a laser sword.

    1. Re:start with the original series by tylernt · · Score: 4, Funny

      The one where Vader hacks off his son's hand with a laser sword.

      Followed by the one where Han Solo watches a witch doctor pull the beating heart out of a kid's chest.

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    2. Re:start with the original series by Nimey · · Score: 1

      and then it starts singing "Hello my baby/hello my honey/hello my ragtime gal..."

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    3. Re:start with the original series by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      I like the one with all the naked Grace Park cylons

    4. Re:start with the original series by Drinking+Bleach · · Score: 1

      Not again...

  36. Drinking games ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't foist too much of the geeky stuff on them, have fun with it ... drinking games!

    Every time McCoy says "dammit", everybody drink. Every time Spock says "fascinating", drink. Every time Kirk gets his shirt off, drink. Every time an un-named red-shirt gets killed, drink. Every time Uhura says "scanning all frequencies", drink.

    Of course, if you're watching next gen, any time Wesley saves the day, they mention tachyons or other particles with magic properties, or Deanna Troi wears the cheerleader outfit, or Warf drinks prune juice ... drink.

    But, in the end, maybe just let sleeping dogs lie ... your friends may never really appreciate your beloved Trek, and in the end may decide it's not something they like. It isn't everybody's cup of tea.

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    1. Re:Drinking games ... by BitwiseX · · Score: 1

      Don't foist too much of the geeky stuff on them, have fun with it ... drinking games!

      Every time McCoy says "dammit", everybody drink. Every time Spock says "fascinating", drink. Every time Kirk gets his shirt off, drink. Every time an un-named red-shirt gets killed, drink. Every time Uhura says "scanning all frequencies", drink.

      Of course, if you're watching next gen, any time Wesley saves the day, they mention tachyons or other particles with magic properties, or Deanna Troi wears the cheerleader outfit, or Warf drinks prune juice ... drink.

      But, in the end, maybe just let sleeping dogs lie ... your friends may never really appreciate your beloved Trek, and in the end may decide it's not something they like. It isn't everybody's cup of tea.

      My Ex and I did the drinking game thing with TNG (although she was already a Trekkie)
      It was:

      Every time Riker hit on a woman, drink
      Every time Data split up a contraction, drink
      Every time Picard ordered Earl Grey, drink
      In the later seasons we added, every time Ensign Ro rolls her eyes

      good times.

  37. Re:Broken Bow maybe by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

    I second Enterprise. It seems to me the only Trek series, after the first one obviously, that wasn't just catering to established fans and really wanted to attract a new audience. The show gets a bad rap, but it really wasn't any worse than most of the shit you see on TV today, and because it's a prequel series it doesn't really require much familiarity with the established canon, as the viewer gets to "discover" the various races that made up the prior series.

    The ending of the series leaves a lot to be desired. The series finale is such a piece of crap, it's almost insulting. You've been warned.

  38. First... by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2

    The first rule of introducing Star Trek to people who have never seen it is: Do not introduce Star Trek to people who have never seen it.

    The second rule of introducing Star Trek to people who have never seen it is: Do not introduce Star Trek to people who have never seen it.

    1. Re:First... by TWToxicity · · Score: 1

      I agree with that. That rule applies to all of Sci-Fi.

    2. Re:First... by slew · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I thought the rules of introducing star trek to people who have never seen it were

      1. You do not talk about star trek
      2. You do not talk about star trek
      3. If someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the watching of star trek is over.
      4. Only 2 star trek episodes at a viewing
      5. One one viewing per day
      6. Shirts and shoes REQUIRED!
      7. The kvetching will go on as long as required.
      8. If this is your first viewing of a star trek episode, you have to actually watch

  39. WTF???? by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    You sound like yer trying to introduce them to yer religion or something that actually matters.

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  40. ST:TOS - best 5 and worst 5 episodes by mfnickster · · Score: 1

    Best:

    1. City on the Edge of Forever
    2. Balance of Terror
    3. The Trouble with Tribbles
    4. Devil in the Dark
    5. A Piece of the Action

    Worst:

    1. Spock's Brian
    2. The Omega Glory
    3. The Way to Eden
    4. Patterns of Force
    5. A Piece of the Action

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    1. Re:ST:TOS - best 5 and worst 5 episodes by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      A Piece of the Action is #5 on both your lists? You have a love/hate relationship with it?

      What about Mirror, Mirror, The Doomsday Machine, Space Seed, and Amok Time? Balance of Terror is a fine episode, but I wouldn't put it in the top 5. Too derivative, too obviously a remake of Das Boot. I really didn't like the scene with the listing space ship, but I suppose that's a fairly trivial problem, easy to clean up in a remastering. It's near the top of my list for worst violations of physics and sense.

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    2. Re:ST:TOS - best 5 and worst 5 episodes by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      A Piece of the Action is #5 on both your lists? You have a love/hate relationship with it?

      You got it. It's a guilty pleasure because it's just good fun to watch. It's simultaneously one of the dumbest, most ludicrous hare-brained premises they came up with on TOS! Kirk stomps all over the Prime Directive, etc.

      What about Mirror, Mirror, The Doomsday Machine, Space Seed, and Amok Time?

      All good episodes. Also the Corbomite Maneuver, Miri, Errand of Mercy, All Our Yesterdays... it's hard to pick just 5. A case could be made for each of those.

      Balance of Terror is a fine episode, but I wouldn't put it in the top 5. Too derivative, too obviously a remake of Das Boot.

      The Enemy Below, I think you mean. Still, I think it's one of the best-written episodes and Mark Lenard's performance is top-notch. I give it a high rating for including an antagonist with real depth of character and not just being a typical shoot-em-up.

      I really didn't like the scene with the listing space ship, but I suppose that's a fairly trivial problem, easy to clean up in a remastering. It's near the top of my list for worst violations of physics and sense.

      Agh! No remastering, please! Keep it with its flaws intact. It's the strength of the story that makes it good, anyway, not the physics.

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  41. Re:Schisms by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

    Good choice. I think a good episode that really captures the overall "feel" of The Next Generation (and Star Trek as a whole) is The Measure of a Man . Patrick Stewart has gone on record as saying that his performance in that episode is one of the favorites of his entire career, which is saying a lot coming from such an accomplished Shakespearean actor as himself. One of my personal favorites.

    Also, The Inner Light . Another amazingly powerful episode that is a must see for Star Trek fans and non-fans alike.

    Really, most episodes from season 3-onwards of TNG were good. For a lighter choice, try Data's Day . Data's expression while he's slow-dancing with the holographic partner is priceless.

  42. War Without End by notadragon · · Score: 1

    Start with that, explaining the characters and sketching the history of their relationships between scenes, as well as filling in details from Babylon Squared.

    Then go back to season 1. Skip infection, fast-forward through the mutai in TKO. You'll both be hooked until at least the end of season 4.

  43. Marry her first by dlb · · Score: 1

    You'll be out of luck once the tribble is out of the bag.

  44. Three Words by Otis+B.+Dilroy+III · · Score: 1

    Three words. "Balance of Terror" Frightened me as a six year old. It still does.

  45. "Hey, let's watch Star Trek" by cthlptlk · · Score: 1

    First episode to watch: your favorite episode.

    Important follow up: "I like that one because [Spock's beard is funny | Tribbles are cuddly | Jean Luc is cuddly | <your reason here> ]"

    (If your favorite part of your favorite episode of your favorite series is when the big robot played by Ted Cassidy speaks in a woman's voice, maybe keep that to yourself.)

  46. The main problem with Voyager by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
    A tale of a fateful trip...

    1. Re:The main problem with Voyager by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I smell filk

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  47. Go with the flashy new movie by xaoslaad · · Score: 2

    I tried this with my wife with Dr. Who, going to the old first and it was an epic fail. But now that she has seen the new stuff she has become more interested in the old. The new movie is nice and neat and tidy and stands on its own. If they like it they have all the rest of the universe to get excited about. At worst they sent through an action movie in soace and shouldn' hate you for subjecting them to Sci Fi.

  48. start with the classics, then let them guide you by thedalaipython · · Score: 1

    I generally concur with most people's recommendation of showing the "best" or most "classic" episodes. Maybe pick 2 or 3 from each series, like "The Trouble With Tribbles," "Space Seed," and "Edith Keeler Must Die" (sorry, "City On The Edge Of Forever") from TOS, "Measure Of A Man," "Best Of Both Worlds," and "Tapestry" from TNG, etc... The classics are "classic" for a reason. Once they get a taste of the variety, then if they're hooked choose a series and run with it...

    However, if your friends (and girlfriend) are awesome and trust you like they should, just start at the beginning... :)

    Less than two weeks after my girlfriend moved in with me, she said, "Hey, let's watch Star Trek!" To which I replied, "All of it?"

    "At the beginning," she said.

    "In correct chronological order?!"

    Her emphatic "YES! Is there any other way?!" convinced me she was a keeper. 1.5 years later, she's my fiancée now, and we're 4 episodes away from the end of Voyager Season 6... :D

    So, if she doesn't flee in terror, put a ring on it!

  49. Important question by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Is this person Morg, or Imorg?

  50. Re:Broken Bow maybe by narcc · · Score: 2

    TNG could have been okay had they picked a captain that wasn't Scott Bakula. He has all the range of the kid picked to play a rock in the 3rd grade class play.

    Sure, his one style worked well playing a reluctant hero just out to do the right thing in Quantum Leap, but it did not make for a good "leader of leaders" blazing a trail in the final frontier. (The writers didn't help, for sure. It's like they were writing for Bakula. Worst. Captain. Ever.)

    The sexy (you can tell because her lips looked like balloons) emotion-loving Vulcan didn't help either.

    I never made it through the first season. It just sucked too hard. I remember saying "Archer, fuck, you're investing way too much time in this guys birthday. Go do captain stuff!"

  51. Get 'em young by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    The only people I introduced to the series were my children. And that was when they were 2 and 4, I forced them to watch TOS instead of Wheel of Fortune when one of the local channels started rerunning it.

    They were unhappy with that parental decision for about 30 seconds.

    It was cool especially because they saw the episodes in the same way I did when the show was first run in the '60s.

  52. Check for actually interested by pkinetics · · Score: 1

    Everyone lies.

    There are various levels of interested, and it could be more that they just want to hang out and do something, especially the girlfriend.

    Do a movie marathon night, everyone bring a favorite movie. Then randomly go through them.

    Casual fans won't care what order the movies are in as it has no impact on their knowledgebase.

    If people are genuinely interested, they'll want to see more.

    As a random way, make it a drinking game. But that's just crazy talk.

  53. Forget Star Trek, go with Doctor Who by Nyder · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Start with the Doctor Who reboot in 2005, then bring in the Tom Baker Episodes.

    It will get you laid.

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    1. Re:Forget Star Trek, go with Doctor Who by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think Doctor Who is much more accessible to the scifi unaware.

    2. Re:Forget Star Trek, go with Doctor Who by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      That's almost what I did except I haven't got past the first few minutes of the first Tom Baker episode. Too much else to watch and I need a break from Dr. Who. Eccleston and Tennant were great, but Smith is patchy. Hope the new season is better.

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  54. Simple by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Get the remastered original series, some popcorn and start there.
    Have fun, don't treat it like a serious exercise.
    Then Khan
    ST:TNG doesn't hold up well.

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    1. Re:Simple by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      huhuhuh... number one, I order you to go take a number two.

  55. I believed this was an honest question by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Up until the 8th word.

  56. You Have a Girl Friend? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    And watch Star Trek? Ya, sure.

  57. Shared interests = good relationship by k(wi)r(kipedia) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My thoughts exactly. If your girlfriend can't stand Star Trek, and you're a costume-wearing Trekkie, then you're in for a world of grief. She doesn't have to be Uhura, but she should like the franchise enough to watch the series without looking like she wants to be doing something else without you. If you're not really a Star Trek fan, forget it. Watch Twilight or Lincoln Vampire Hunter with her.

    1. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so... she can hate whatever it is he likes and not have to watch, but he still has to watch her relationship dreck-disguised-as-horror?

    2. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and you're a costume-wearing Trekkie

      What?! It's a fucking movie. I enjoyed it too, but please. A better advice would be: get a fucking life and then get a girlfriend. Or maybe you can keep the current one in the process.

    3. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by Dr+Herbert+West · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes. That's how it works sometimes. On the other hand, you could always look forward to spending all your time with your time with your most loyal lover, Rosie Palm.

    4. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by SpooForBrains · · Score: 2

      I'm not a costume wearing Trekkie, but I was pretty hardcore in the Whedonverse fandom for a few years, especially when Serenity came out, and my wife really couldn't give two hoots for anything in the 'verse. She just doesn't get it. Didn't matter - she never stopped me travelling to meet other Browncoats or seeing the film in the cinema a bunch of times. So we just don't watch it together. It's not a big deal. She's mad for CSI and the like and I don't like it, so she watches it when I'm out.

      We both agree Game of Thrones is pretty awesome, so we watch that together.

      Just because you don't share someone's passion doesn't mean you inherently want to stop them indulging it.

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    5. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget her five little sisters.

    6. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by operagost · · Score: 1

      She doesn't have to be Uhura

      On the contrary. Strong communication is essential to a relationship. And tight skirts.

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    7. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      This stupid short sighted trade off is why men get no respect these days.. they've abdicated, either out of this or some feminist-twisted form of chivalry.

    8. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      ..and the reason it works that way is because guys don't have the balls to say 'no' anymore..even if it means they don't get any. once she realizes she can't manipulate him that way, she'll stop.. she might even start to respect him a little more.

    9. Re:Shared interests = good relationship by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      for a growing number of guys, this is the case.. and they're choosing singledom over histrionic roller coasters.

  58. Start with the best TOS episodes by steveha · · Score: 1

    The original series laid down the example of what Star Trek should be. At its best, TOS rocked.

    The ideal episode (which does not exist) would somehow contain all these elements: exploration; dealing with aliens; banter among Kirk, Spock, and McCoy; Scotty performing miracles; the Enterprise doing cool stuff; actual science fiction ideas; and a certain amount of comedy. Since you can't get all that in one episode, here are a few to consider. I'll try to keep these free of essential spoilers, for those of you who haven't gotten around to watching TOS yet.

    "The Doomsday Machine" -- my all-time favorite epsiode. A bit of exploration, tense drama with Commodore Decker, actually plausible science behind the SF ideas, and a tight plot that makes sense from beginning to end. Plus the best cliffhanger ever: "Gentlemen, I suggest you beam me aboard..."

    "The City on the Edge of Forever" -- loses points for not being typical Trek, but it's awesome SF, with a dramatic love story. Also, if I had to pick one episode that best qualifies as a "chick flick" it would be this one!

    "The Trouble with Tribbles" -- pure fun. Despite being almost completely a comedy episode, there is actually a plot and it is resolved in a satisfactory manner. Uhura, Chekov, and Scotty all get character moments.

    "Balance of Terror" -- a great drama with some great surprises, and the moral themes it presents are naturally in the story and don't feel forced. Mark Lenard is great as the Commander.

    "The Naked Time" -- a strange affliction causes the crew of the Enterprise to start acting oddly. Lots of character moments.

    "Spectre of the Gun" -- a really unusual episode and an example of making a virtue of necessity. Kirk and an away team seemingly find themselves in the "Wild West" of the late 19th century; there wasn't enough money to film this realistically, so instead it was filmed in a surreal, fantastic fashion. The sets are incomplete, with missing walls, and instead of trying to hide this they left it right in the open. It's actually pretty cool.

    steveha

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  59. First, crawl out of the basement... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... daylight is A Good Thing. Do not fear it (SPF numbers are your friend). Then try to arrange social events for your friends. Invite Other People. Try to meet people outside of your Star Trek fetish. It's OK. Seek professional help.

  60. What worked for my wife by inthealpine · · Score: 1

    First was TNG: Data's Day. Data is like an entry level drug for Star Trek.
    For a feature film the newest Star Trek movie works great. It strikes a great balance between entertainment storyline. Again, this is not about scaring someone with your diehard opinions, it's about making someone interested in a new show.

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  61. Start with the New by TWToxicity · · Score: 1

    Start with the new movie, chances are they will like that more than TOS or even TNG. Next I suggest a couple episodes of TNG. I strongly suggest showing Encounter at Farpoint and Chain of Command. But it really is your choice.

  62. Fascinating by codesmithe · · Score: 1

    Tell your girlfriend it's fascinating!

    http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w225/anon112355/fascinating1ts.jpg

  63. Leslie Nielsen by wrencherd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Screen "Forbidden Planet" for them and nonchalantly mention that it's often cited as having "inspired" much of ST's look and style.

    If your friends have the remotest interest that will certainly reel them in.

  64. Call me a heretic by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    ...But I had more fun with JJ Abrams' reboot than anything else. At least, if it's someone who's not in it for the long haul/payoff, I see nothing wrong with showing them that movie and with the caveat "Okay, so this is Star Trek, but it's not Star Trek.."

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    1. Re:Call me a heretic by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Ever since the 2009 film, I cannot resist referring to Jennifer Morrison as "Kirk's Mommy".

  65. start with the best ones by deodiaus2 · · Score: 1

    The Trouble with Tribbles City on the Edge of Forever Mirror, Mirror Shore Leave Mudds's Women Amok Time Voyage to Babel Clues

  66. Nilest Ask Slashdot Ever? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    Honestly this has to be the worst question ever...and really what type of loser would even ask such a thing? My God whats next, how to indroduce someone to Lassie?

  67. Obvious by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2

    Chairs with straps and eye-lid spreaders like in A Clockwork Orange.

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  68. The Trouble With Tribbles by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    Yeah The Trouble With Tribbles from the original series....

  69. "Which particular episodes would you recommend?" by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    The only really good one was the pilot, shown at TriCon in Cleveland in 1966. It went downhill from there.

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  70. Re:Schisms by tylernt · · Score: 2

    Agreed, The Inner Light is one of my favorites as well.

    I also nominate Darmok and the "There are four lights" episodes.

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  71. No, actually DS9 doesn't work by suso · · Score: 1

    My wife loved TNG and Voyager and I thought the same thing about DS9, that since its a soap opera in Space that she'd like that too. But it turns out she really liked the exploration part of ST a lot, which they just don't do enough of in that series. I think she didn't give it enough of a chance, because I ended up liking DS9 a lot. I recently have been watching Enterprise the first time though and found it surprisingly engaging (sorry), but I think it starts out a bit slow and she didn't get into it because of that. But with TNG and Voyager, you have to start with some really good or funny episodes to get them into it or a dual parter.

  72. wait... by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    Is this not the thread about why there are no women in computer science? My mistake.

  73. Farscape 1st by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Start her off with farscape, then move into Star Trek. She'll appreciate the "love story" in Farscape, and she'll be open to the sci-fi in general.

  74. easy! by macshit · · Score: 2

    (1) tie them up
    (2) lots of beer
    (3) eyelid clips

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    1. Re:easy! by slew · · Score: 1

      So do you mean the TOS episode "Whom God's Destroy" ...
      Or do you mean the TNG episode "The Game"...

      I think most people would need the tie-ups, beer and eye-lid clips for either of these episodes ;^)

  75. Star Trek Whales, Tribbles, then DS9 Tribbles by DontScotty · · Score: 1

    Star Trek Whales Movie, TOS Tribbles, then DS9 Tribbles

    That's about it...

  76. Series guide by FrootLoops · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My guide to the six Star Trek series is below. If you've ever wanted to watch a few episodes of a series and stop there, pick some from the relevant "best of show" list. They're all independent episodes that require essentially no back story (though caring about the characters always helps), unless otherwise noted. The NxM numbers indicate season and episode.

    The Original Series (TOS): quality varied wildly. Season 2 was the best; season 3 was largely weird.
    * Best of show: 1x28 The City on the Edge of Forever; 2x05 Amok Time; 2x10 Mirror Mirror; 1x08 Balance of Terror.
    * Worst of show: 3x06 Spock's Brain.

    The Animated Series (TAS): terrible for adults; decent for kids (or maybe nostalgia if you saw it as a kid). One real season.
    * Best of show: 1x02 Yesteryear.
    * Worst of show: 1x05 More Tribbles, More Troubles.
    * Most surreal moment in all of Star Trek: Midway through 1x04 The Lorelei Signal, Scotty sings Welsh ballads while the Enterprise slowly orbits. The scene drags on for 37 seconds.

    The Next Generation (TNG): season 1 is terrible. 2 and 3 are hit-and-miss. 4-7 are quite good, with 6 and 7 being almost universally good.
    * Best of show: 5x25 The Inner Light; 2x16 Q Who?; 3x26 The Best of Both Worlds; 6x15 Tapestry; 3x15 Yesterday's Enterprise. The series finale, 7x25 All Good Things..., is also quite good and has no "spoilers".
    * Worst of show: 2x22 Shades of Grey (clip show); 2x12 The Royale; Wesley's part in 1x03 The Naked Now (also Wesley's most annoying part period).

    Deep Space 9 (DS9): season 1 is terrible with the notable exception of Duet. 2 is a marked improvement (for instance, Siddig learns to act). 3 and 4 are sometimes hit-and-miss. Seasons 5-7 are excellent if you like space opera.
    * Best of show: 1x19 Duet; 5x06 Trials and Tribble-ations (excellent if you've seen the TOS episode!); 4x03 The Visitor; 4x08 Little Green Men--these are each essentially independent episodes. 6x19 In The Pale Moonlight, 6x06 Sacrifice of Angels, and the series finale 7x25 What You Leave Behind are all excellent as well, but they're part of the Dominion War story arc and should really be watched starting from, say, 4x26 Broken Link.
    * Worst of show: 5x07 Let He Who Is Without Sin....

    Voyager (VOY): seasons 1 and 2 are terrible. Again it slowly amps up until 6 and 7 are pretty universally good. Lots of good 2-parters. Fun fact: Captain

    1. Re:Series guide by TythosEternal · · Score: 1

      To this excellent summary, I would add a short list of places in TNG that offer excellent entry points:
        * 2x10 The Dauphin for its light-hearted humor, rounded introduction to a variety of crew personalities, and a storyline which non-Trekkies will find more relateable. Start my wife (then finance) with this one--she actually enjoyed it, which shocked me.
        * 4x19 The Nth Degree for a more science-fiction episode that retains some light-hearted humor and an interesting story.
        * 4x25 In Theory is where you can start to introduce some of the more serious questions of the thought-provoking 'what does it mean to be human' theme, without becoming too dry or hard-core science-fiction-y.

    2. Re:Series guide by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Ah, I love The Nth Degree. I always liked the Barclay episodes. Come to think of it, one could make a good tour of TNG out of a Barclay marathon:
        * 2x03 Elementary, Dear Data (he's not in this), 3x21 Hollow Pursuits, 4x19 The Nth Degree, 6x02 Realm of Fear, 6x12 Ship in a Bottle, 7x19 Genesis

      You get the Moriarty story arc as a bonus and each individual episode is decent to very good. It might be too holodeck-heavy, but that's Barclay.

      I never personally liked The Dauphin, probably because the plot was so Wesley-heavy and there was no secondary tech plot to relieve my dislike. In Theory is a very interesting episode. It might be good to preface it with a more standard Data-heavy episode, like 4x11 Data's Day (which has the O'Brien's marriage as a secondary plot and isn't very hard-core science-fiction-y).

    3. Re:Series guide by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      That is a very good point, thank you. I've updated my guide (though of course I can't edit the above). I have to admit my TAS knowledge is weak; I could only stand the episodes once, and even then many were quite painful so I don't remember them well. Perhaps one day I'll rewatch them for completeness' sake....

  77. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The 4th movie, Voyage home with time travel back to San Francisco is a good place to start. Its funny, but there is a plot, and good character action.

  78. Start with Enterprise by sco08y · · Score: 1

    Of all the series, Enterprise is probably the most accessible. The production is modern, it's well written, well paced, and the characters are the most likable. Granted, they don't match the chemistry of Kirk, Spock and McCoy, but they come pretty close. And some characters, like Shran, are just brilliant.

    Generally, I think the writing is just consistently good. They set themselves up for success; simply because the Federation isn't all powerful, they don't need implausible opponents like omnipotent beings that can't read minds, or cyborgs that have assimilated thousands of races but could be destroyed by an Escher print.

    And in some of the older series, the writing could be awful, even leaving aside truly horrific episodes like the TNG pilot or the baseball game in DS9. For instance, some of the most painful writing in TNG and DS9 was their ham-fisted rendition of family themes. McFadden and Wheaton were never bad actors, the mother son thing was just dragged out through endless scenes of awkwardness only for us to finally discover that it's tough growing up on a starship. I found the same with Worf and Alexander, or Sisko and Benjamin.

    Enterprise did some shows that touched on growing up themes, especially with Mayweather, but they were more realistic; Mayweather was trying to escape from a life of poverty and drudgery, and this led to serious tension with his family because it pulled him away from the family business.

    1. Re:Start with Enterprise by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      that show suffered from severe bouts of we're-out-of-ideas-lets-show-them-some-skin...and the whole temporal coldwar thing was a cop out.. prequels are supposed to explore the past, not rewrite it.

    2. Re:Start with Enterprise by sco08y · · Score: 1

      that show suffered from severe bouts of we're-out-of-ideas-lets-show-them-some-skin...

      The horror! At least it was never, "let's do the worst baseball game ever shown on television."

      and the whole temporal coldwar thing was a cop out.. prequels are supposed to explore the past, not rewrite it.

      The question was how to introduce someone to ST. Someone who isn't familiar with canon doesn't care about that.

  79. Start with "The Big Bang Theory" by neeksgeek · · Score: 1

    Lots of Trek references there! Seriously, ease them into TOS first season, then The Wrath of Khan (preferably right after Space Seed). After that if they aren't into it, they never will be.

    1. Re:Start with "The Big Bang Theory" by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

      That idea would probably work like a charm. Brilliant!

  80. Here's the answer to a related question by ddieder · · Score: 1

    In order to introduce someone to Babylon 5, show them this:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120711/

    I've managed to get four or five people going on the series by showing them that movie.

    Star Trek is nice too. :)

    I'll suggest showing them the DS9 pilot...*shrug*

  81. Don't Feed The Trolls by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

    She's trollin' you bro, there's just no way somebody isn't a Star Trek fan. Well, Penny isn't, and that severely annoys Sheldon, but they're fictional. It's funny because there's just no way somebody wouldn't be a fan. Am I right?

    1. Re:Don't Feed The Trolls by Shempster · · Score: 1

      You might be right. Enterprise's main problems were the producers, boring characters, and boring shackled writing. The audience has to care for the characters and get excited and wonder about the universe you've laid out. If your team can't make that happen, you fail.

  82. Try Firefly by FreeBillClinton · · Score: 1

    I'd say go with Firefly and then Serenity. If she doesn't like that, there's no way she is going to like Star Trek. Also, very little Star Trek stands the test of time. So I suggest the 2009 movie which is easily the best thing to ever come out of the Star Trek franchise (though traditionalists might not like to admit it). It's a great movie.

  83. Episode 1, Season 1... by BobandMax · · Score: 1

    ...The Man Trap. What could be more appropriate?

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  84. Show Two Classics from ST:TNG & ST:Original by Shempster · · Score: 2

    Start with the best episode of "Star Trek TNG: Episode 125 - "The Inner Light" (Star Trek: The Next Generation). Then show Original Star Trek: Episode 28: "The City on the Edge of Forever" Those two are timeless classics, great stories, scripts, acting/directing. After Rodenberry passed away, so did his control of the vision, and the idiots left in charge reduced the franchise to something trying to be a relevant commentary of inane political nonsense of the times. They ran out of ideas and started screwing around with time travel, and that was completely lame.

  85. Hugh by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

    I'd start with the TNG episode I, Borg. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Borg)

    Recap: The Enterprise adopts a stray young borgling and raises it aboard their ship, giving it a sense of individuality.

    I've had 3 female roommates fall in love with this adorable character, and spark enough interest in them to watch a few more episodes - 2 of them are now hooked on Trek.

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  86. Avoid TNG by tensigh · · Score: 1

    Skip TNG, it sucks and most people will find it cheesy (and they'd be right). Try Wrath of Khan. Seriously.

  87. TNG by Conchobair · · Score: 1

    TNG, but the first season is pretty slow so show some of the better ones at first like Darmok, Ship in a Bottle, or the ones with Q. If she likes it go back to the beginning and see if she can follow from there. After that usually DS9, then it's really it's personal preference from there. TOS is good, but it's really dated so a lot of people actually skip it or watch it last.

  88. Agreed. by csumpi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I tried to introduce myself to star trek, and deep space 9 was recommended online as the best series.

    It completely turned me off star trek.

    1. Re:Agreed. by sorak · · Score: 1

      DS9 seemed like Trek's attempt to copy Babylon 5. Many Trek fans hated DS9, because it was so different from the other shows. I consider it my favorite series, but, if you don't like it, you may want to give TNG or TOS a try.

    2. Re:Agreed. by csumpi · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your note. I will definitely start with TOS next time.

  89. If she falls asleep while you watch TV by mtippett · · Score: 1

    What happened to me..

    My wife is now a fully-fledged closet-trekkie and general sci-fi junkie...

    As she is less of a night owl, but would fall asleep on the couch, I would turn on the TV show as she fell asleep. The voices, music and so on become familiar over a week or so. Then occasionally disturb her to wake her up.

    Eventually, you can try to watch one with her one night. The familiarity gap won't be there, so she'll probably enjoy it.

    Be careful though, my wife ended up becoming more hooked than I was which meant that she watch more of the shows in order than I did, so I'm the one ultimately with gaps in the series. It's worked with ST:TNG, DS9, BG:Reimagined SG:Atlantis, SG-1 and SG:Universe and Firefly. Ultimately I don't have to fight on Sci-Fi anymore, but our bar is pretty high.

  90. Huh by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

    I think the best way to watch it is to make a straight run through. Start with Original, then (possibly) the animated series, then TNG, then DS9.

    Geos is a site with user rankings of Star Trek episodes. I think with TOS and TNG and definitely the animated series, if you're a non-completist, it's worth limiting yourself to the better-ranked episodes. Or at least, skipping the ones that place near the bottom. In general, the shows are episodic and skipping yet another episode where the Star Trek gang goes to pseudo-Earth won't hurt anything.

    Slowly make your way through the movies, after the respective TV shows have been completed. Jesus Christ but "First Contact" sucked, and that was definitely the best of the TNG movies.

    DS9 is worth watching all the episodes, with the exception of the really bad ones from season 1. It's more of a serialized show where skipping doesn't work as well. Anyway after season 2 there's very few weak episodes.

    With Voyager, if there's still interested in Star Trek, watch the pilot and maybe the top 20 ranked episodes. For the most part the show was bland, but there were some standouts.

    Skip Enterprise entirely.

    Finish off with the cheesy but fun "World Enough and Time," a fan-made movie with Sulu in it. Yes really. Or the action movie re-boot of Star Trek.

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  91. First, be polite and don't look it in the eyes. by IBitOBear · · Score: 4, Funny

    Star Trek can be skittish around strangers and if you approach it from the wrong side or too qucikly.

    If Star Trek begins to smoke, move away quickly and cover head.

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  92. Try a movie and take it from there by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

    I tagged this as "youdont" to be a smartass, but the question deserves a more serious answer. I'm only a casual Trek fan (meaning I enjoy the movies and will watch TNG if I run into it while channel-surfing), but really, you may be overthinking the issue. Introducing someone to one of your passions is not more difficult just because the subject in question is Star Trek, anymore than it would if we were talking about, say, antiquing.

    My wife has gotten me into antiquing/DIY/restoration basically by osmosis, just by watching her favorite HGTV/TLC shows while I'm hanging out in the family room. She never forced it beyond saying "I think you might like this show, wanna watch an ep?", the secret being that if I had refused, she wouldn't have pushed it. Now we regularly go shopping for vintage furniture/appliances to restore, which is fun merging of her design skills and my tech ones. Likewise, when I want her to check out something I enjoy, I will offer it up without expecting any more commitment than "sure, let's watch a bit and see how I like it".

    So the movies would be your best bet. My personal favorite is First Contact, but you might be more successful with the Abrams reboot, which could provide an easy lead into the original films because of Nimoy's presence.

    Just remember, if they aren't into it, let it go. Your passions remain just as enjoyable even if your friends and loved ones don't share them.

    1. Re:Try a movie and take it from there by Jaryn · · Score: 1

      Just remember, if they aren't into it, let it go.

      You mean to say, if they aren't into it, let them go.

      Fixed that for you.

      If they don't like Kirk and Picard, Spock or Data... well... there's other, better, fish in the sea for you.

  93. Start with Galaxy Quest by rlseaman · · Score: 1

    How is it possible that 300 messages into the thread nobody has suggested starting (and ending) with Galaxy Quest?

  94. The Best of Both Worlds I & II by rabidcitizen · · Score: 1

    Not sure if you could start with this two part episode from season 3/4, but this is TNG that still holds up for me. One of the darker storylines, also one of the strongest female characters (Shelby) in the series. The ship graveyard scene still gives me shivers. I suppose you have to start though with a pitcher of margaritas and the Wrath of Khan, preferably on VHS.

  95. Don't lead w/the Movies... by Fubari · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I would personally skip the movies for a while; "Wrath of Khan" and "Save The Wales / Nuclear Wessles" movies are fun, but largely because the fan-base knew the characters and enjoyed seeing the actors back in the saddle.

    Your friends will enjoy the moves a lot more after they absorb the chemistry; McCoy + Spock don't really hit their stride until the end of the first season. Anyway, while people with no background in StarTrek certainly can enjoy the movies, people with some background in StarTrek will enjoy the movies at least twice as much. (I say it is worth the wait; you asked for how to best introduce your friends to Star Trek... so realizing there is no need to rush anything will help you do a better job with that introduction).

    TOS stories are (mostly) all well done. And the concepts are ground breaking when you consider they were presented in 1968. Some of the social points are astonishing; equality, moral dilemmas, and so on - especially(!) when you compare them to other shows that were airing in the late 60's early 70's. (Myself, I like using TOS as a mirror to get a glimpse of that generation's culture.)

    So... maybe show them 3 TOS episodes then leave it at that; more than that will risk burning them out. If they like TOS they'll follow up on their own, or come back for more "home video nights." (And if you can do it, go with the re-mastered TOS; they really do look nicely done).

    Maybe for a later "video night" in a do a few TNG episodes. Or they may be grooving on working through TOS. *shrug* Either way, at that point, they will ask for more or just politely nod and focus on other things.

    Lastly, and this could be the most important part, show some restraint in pacing and tempo with what you play for your friends. And express interest in what your audience likes and is passionate about; you might find something new that you like, and you will almost certainly learn more about your friends.

  96. take it much farther by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

    I introduced my girlfriend to Star Trek by buying a color TV small enough to fit in my studio apartment, and inviting her over once a week to watch the next episode. We watched the original broadcast of what is now called the “original series”. She liked so much she married me. We raised our two kids to love Star Trek and other types of science fiction and fantasy.

    At our son's wedding a few years ago, I ended the traditional father-of-the-groom speech with “live long and prosper” and the accompanying hand gesture. His friends were amused, but knew exactly what I meant.

  97. a fair compromise, medium risk, high return by Jaryn · · Score: 1

    Not sure this is any help. But a while back I thought my young nephews should learn about Star Trek. They had watched very little of any sort of TV, so they were up for anything, but I wasn't sure where to start. I thought classic Trek would be too old or dated for them, but they could appreciate it later, so I decided they should start with TNG because it may be more accessible for them.

    But where should they start in TNG? Yes, we could start with Encounter at Farpoint, the first episode... But that is a pretty cheesy, crappy, strange episode(s). Right? Though it does introduce Q, who is a recurring 'integral' 'villain'. As a completist, you really would have to start here. (Or with TOS.)

    Or I could just jump right in and show basically the best episode (or at least best cliffhanger) of Star Trek ever, The Best of Both Worlds I & II. But would it be as good an episode if they don't know any of the characters at all, and never previously encountered the Borg. In fact, so much would be lost by showing that episode first, I decided we couldn't.

    So, stay with me here-- I decided to start them with Coming of Age. Now, yes, this is a Wesley episode. And it's near the end of the first season. But Wesley is not at all insufferable in this episode-- he's actually interacting in a more or less reasonable way with his fellow candidates, and my nephews are of the age (12ish) where they could actually maybe see themselves in his place, going through those tests. And while I skipped over a lot of (bad) first season episodes to get to that one, I thought I shouldn't skip the entire first season. That wouldn't be right! So this is a compromise. But most of all, the episode actually does a fairly good job of introducing the characters, through Remmick's interviews/interrogations, and we see Picard have to make a big choice; to become Commandant of Star Fleet Academy, or remain Captain of the Enterprise. (His decision??!? I won't spoil it for you!)

    Its weakness (apart from being a first season episode) is that there are no big space battles or major alien encounters. But some smaller scale alien and ship things happen. And this episode is actually a great setup for one of the darkest (though sometimes still cheesy) suspenseful/ominous (though never paying off later) episodes of TNG, Conspiracy.

    But before you go there, you can jump back to Datalore (to lead into future Lore episodes), if you like. Also Heart of Glory (for Klingon/Worf episodes), and Neutral Zone (actually, some say, a lead in to the Borg, but also, more obviously, The Romulans). Perhaps even Naked Now, Skin of Evil, and Encounter at Farpoint, if you're brave. But then follow this on in Season 2 with, at the very least, Q Who, The Measure of a Man, and a Matter of Honor. (And these all will effectively have formed mini-arcs.) Then you can watch (almost) everything from seasons 3, 4, and 5 without too much worry. And they will mean more when you watch them.

    Anyway, long story short--my plan is somewhat higher risk, but higher return: if your girlfriend is anything like my 12-year-old nephews (huh??) get her to agree to give the show a proper chance by watching several episodes, then set her up with some of the more solid, early episodes, which you may both laugh at a bit but then she will be properly and emotionally invested when OMG Picard is Locutus! in BoBW, or LOOK Tasha is back??? in YE, or, oh no--IS SPOT GONNA BE OKAY???

  98. Re:First World Problems by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Thanks for that sentiment, now I have a hankering to go find the most danciest musical sci-fi Bollywood produced.

  99. Favorite saying by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    One of my favorite sayings for a few years was as follows;
    I do live in a basement.
    I do own a Klingon costume,
    But the basement does not belong to my mom (or any relative for that matter)

  100. IV melts the hearts of all skeptics. by theKingofShit · · Score: 1

    Funny how this question yields this much conversation. I got my father interested with IV - Voyage home. It was the one that got me interested a couple of years ago. And now i'm at the point of owning complete collection minus the Abrams movie - And i have starfleet insignia tattooed on my chest: http://mirosol.kapsi.fi/varasto/badge.jpg

  101. Re:Broken Bow maybe by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

    Enterprise started off with a ton of promise, and for the 1st season actually did fairly well.

    Then they decided to go all "9/11 In Space" and start the whole awful Xindi/Temporal Cold War shit. During the next two seasons of shit, there was lots of shit, a handful of episodes that were standalone diamonds, and basically things kept getting worse until culminating in the ultimate shit, Time Travelling Nazi Space Aliens. During this period more and more people gave up hope for improvement and stopped watching.

    Then, like passing through a singularity, it shot out the other side and suddenly Enterprise's season 4 was... OK? No, it was more than ok, it was outright good, this is what they should've been doing the whole time! This is back to being actual Star Trek! And then it was canned, because by the time season 4 rolled around it was too late to avoid crashing into the mountainside.

  102. Work with them individually by airishtiger · · Score: 1

    Don't try to get all of them into it at the same time. Most likely people will be socializing too much to pay attention and it will all be for nothing. Instead sit each of them down with a tng episode you think they would like. If their into drama and emotional stuff start with season five's 'the inner light' (some of Patrick's best acting) if they're into mystery watch the one where the crew is being abducted in their sleep by an alien race from another dimmension. If they like action then watch the two part borg battle. Just don't try to make a party out of it. The Next Generation should be shared as a deep and intimate experience and treated with the same respect you would have for love making or a religious experience.

  103. Buy her a Tribble by keysdisease · · Score: 1

    And don't wear your Star trek pajamas to bed

  104. Start with the original series all the way by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend making a weekend BBQ event / movie day out of watching the original series. Food & drink. You host. If they're resistant, make a drinking game. Kirk bangs a green bitch: shot. McCoy says he's just a doctor: shot (and/or bong rip, depending on the crowd). Etc. Pick episodes that maximize. Encourage dialog: Think Mystery Science Theater 3000 with booze. Work in Kahn or Voyage Home (if they dig the cheesy) after a couple episodes. If everyone is still down, TNG borg. Smack 'em hard. Break out the brownies, turn off the lights & hook up the surround sound. End the night with something fun and unrelated, to make sure everyone wants to do it again even if they weren't down for the show. Star Trek isn't something everyone falls in love with instantly. It can take a few exposures to click. The key is to provide a low barrier to entry.

  105. Patrick Steward by w4rl5ck · · Score: 2

    Pick something that is Picard-heavy, could be sth. Borg-related.

    If you could find an episode that also features a heavy amount of Guinan and Data, you should be at a good starting point. Patrick Steward, Brent Spiner and obviously Whoopie Goldberg are the best that ever happened to Trek. Ever. Seriously. I love Nimoy, but Steward and especially Spiner took it to a level that fits Goldberg.

    A Q episode might easily do the trick.

    Also, the Sherlock Data/Moriarty episodes are brilliant, but some of the humor might be to complex and tied to the characters to fully enjoy.

    I'd then pick one nice episode of every series but Voyager (there was not one nice episode to pick) and show how the series changed over time, and that there are lot of different 'versions'. A lot of brilliant episodes have already been mentioned here. Pick Way of the Warrior for DS9. It has everything, brilliant humor, acting, suprise, action, and loads and loads of Klingons. Plus five thousand photon torpedoes armed and ready to launch. Goose bumbs here. "He said: it's a good day to day". Oh my good was it great to watch that for the first time. I hated DS9 until that point. What a turnaround!

    Enterprise: the episode in which they unveal the Vulcans using the monestary to spy on the Andorians. Self-explaining, deep for showing how twisted the Vulcans really are. Plus T'Pal. Uh I actually forgot about those nice "we have to go through desinfection again" fanservice scenes...

    TOS: Horta, obviously. There are better episodes, but this one nails the 'Trek against dilemma' sheme. After that show "mind meld" (the documentary) which fills in the background of Shatners father dying during shooting it.

    As for movies, IV is the most funny and brilliant, while The Unknown Country is by far the best Trek movie EVER EVER made, as it perfectly chimes into the tune of the universe. II of course... KAAAAAAAHN' - but VI is even better. Avoid uneven numbers, they suck. That's law.

  106. Re:Schisms by bronney · · Score: 1

    I am glad that the timing of TNG coincided with grade 12 when I was inspired by both my English teacher and Shakespearean plays. Coming home watching star trek with mom (TOS fan) is one of the great memories I have.

    Two months ago, I started watching TNG again, and last week finished it once again and I completely agree with your episodes choice. If it wasn't for grade 12 though, ST wouldn't be as good.

  107. Re:Why don't you pass the keyboard over by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

    Obviously he's busy :)

  108. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    For the Earth is Harlan, and I Have Touched the Sky.

    Spock Trek is real Trek. If you don't introduce with 66 series, I'm not sure this is an "introduction" at all.

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  109. Start from the beginning.. by moodel · · Score: 1

    There is only one way and that is to sit through all the episodes starting from the very beginning. Original Star Trek first follwed by TNG etc.... That way you'll have a better and fuller understanding of character makeup and personality.

  110. Re:start with the classics, then let them guide yo by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    1.5 years later, she's my fiancée now, and we're 4 episodes away from the end of Voyager Season 6

    She's making you watch Voyager? I think you're suffering from a serious case of Stockholm syndrome. Get out now while you still can or you'll be on to Enterprise next, and there will be no hope of you ever escaping with your life.

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  111. Space Seed is the new movie.... by rishistar · · Score: 2

    The Rebooted Star Trek 2 will also involve the Khan character - so I assume this will rework Space Seed in some way rather than Wrath of Khan.

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  112. Watch Big Bang Theory with her by stigamet · · Score: 1

    Works like a litmus paper.

  113. Thanks for the submission by fa2k · · Score: 1

    I know "someone" who didn't have much access to star trek when growing up... It's quite daunting how many different versions there are. I^H "he" was going to start with The Original Series, but now I'll just bookmark this slashdot page instead. I (fuck it) have some Voyager on my DVR, maybe I'll just watch those.

  114. Suspension, date rape drugs by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

    Suspension, date rape drugs and if that's not enough - lobotomy.

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  115. Slashdot Just Jumped The Shark by assertation · · Score: 1

    Slashdot or at least "ask slashdot" just jumped the shark with this post. How to introduce a friend to Star Trek, really?

    All of the WORTHY posts that get rejected without a note and this thread gets allowed..........and........in a new feature set up to be helpful with technical questions?

    No offense to the original poster or anyone running Slashdot, but it is no longer a "news for nerds" site, it is "People Magazine Online For Nerds".

    Again, nothing personal, my comments are about this thread being allowed and in this section especially. It isn't anything personal about the people who let it happen.

    Happy Thursday

  116. Books and episodes by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    Start with the early episodes, coupled with Alan Dean Foster's published collections of the episodes. They backfill dialogue and plot that was "left on the cutting room floor" with the limited filming capacity and weekly expense of a weekly television show, material that expands the stories well. And if you can, help fil in the historical background: the kiss between Uhura and Kirk was the first televised kiss between a white man and a black woman, and I recently saw an interview with the actress that discussed it.

    "Uhura" inspired a generation of black women to think of themselves as more than props: she was _exactly_ why Whoopi Goldberg leapt at the chance, in the height of her movie career, to join The Next Generation and try to inspire the next generation of youngsters as "Guinan".

  117. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

    OK it's camp, but it is my favorite. The "french-fried brains" look on McCoy's face after using the Teacher helmet: Priceless.

    Camp? What'chu talkin 'bout Latent Heat?

    Don't you know the most camp TOS ep is Trouble with Tribbles?

    OP should do TOS tribbles then DS9 tribbles. It's all about the tribbles! Tribbles tribbles tribbles!

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  118. Cut to the chase by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    Each Trek has positives and negatives. The things that some people may like may be exactly what turns off other people. TOS was campy at times and the cheap budgets of season 3 might not be received well to someone unfamiliar with the previous seasons. TNG was pretty weak in seasons 1 and 7. DS9's episodic soap opera nature has made it hold up very well in my opinion, yet others are completely turned off by that. Voyager got a lot better after Seven of Nine joined, yet it's so obvious that she was brought it for men (the story lines got better too, but she was brought in most as eye candy) that some women would probably be put off by that. Enterprise was mostly excellent in seasons 3 and 4 but the first 2 seasons were hit and miss and its finale was a complete embarrassment.

    Just show her a really good season 1 episode of TOS like "Balance Of Terror" or "City On The Edge Of Forever". If she doesn't like those, it's a lost cause. While there are Trek fans who prefer other series over TOS, I've never heard of any true fan who thinks TOS sucks.

    Finally, I cannot believe despite the good recommendations on individual episodes that everybody has neglected to mention the following from DS9.
    5x22 - Children Of Time - the best episode of DS9
    6x02 - Rocks And Shoals - the treachery of Vorta and the blind willingness of the Jem'Hadar to follow orders made this a superb episode.

  119. Put it on in the background by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

    I have hooked a flatmate into Futurama (he really wanted to know what the intro song was that kept playing - I was watching all seasons back to back) as it was on every day. Eventually he got over his sick "but it LOOKS like the Simpsons but it ISN'T the Simpsons!" and was hooked.

    My other half was hooked on Survivor the same way. I used to watch it on my computer as I coded, and her computer was next to mine.. eventually she demanded that I didn't watch new episodes without her.

    So, my suggestion is: Put it on in the background when you are doing stuff in the house and see what happens.

    That all said, my first girlfriend hated Stargate with a vengeance to the point of starting a fight about me watching it *the day before*. If you are thinking that I let her go when she said she wanted to leave.. you would be right.

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  120. Start with Futurama, "Where No Fan Has Gone... by ImdatS · · Score: 1

    Start with that and you might have still have a girlfriend afterwards

  121. I had a really good answer typed in detail by AbominousSalad · · Score: 1

    and all done, but nobody would have read it at this point anyway, and then I changed my comment formatting away from HTML. And now the comment is gone. And that makes me a sad Reman.

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  122. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd start with TNG, don't cherry pick episodes because if you do that then they maybe disappointed with the rest. Start at the beginning. I'd say start with the 66 series as well, but for some that can be too big of a leap. With TNG there are recognizable actors, special effects by the end of the series are relatively good even by today's standards.

    If they enjoy it, go back and watch the 66 series and continue with DSN/Voyager/Enterprise

  123. What not to do, to do by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    Not do:
    Star Trek: The Motion Picture
    Star Trek 5
    Enterprise

    To do:
    Star Trek 2, 4, 6, 8 (maybe let them see the TNG Borg episode before First Contact) movies
    First season of TNG
    DS9

    If they don't like that stuff, they're not going to like Star Trek.

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  124. You want to what? by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 1

    How can they not know what Star Trek is? Unless they are Tibetan monks or an indigenous tribe from the deepest Amazon... are they that? Either your drawn to it and seek it out or you find it repugnant. Not just Star Trek mind you. There's plenty of pop-culture and music that some people love that other people think debase the entire human race. Like the TNG movie Nemesis.

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  125. I started my wife with Season 2 of TNG by Bearded+Frog · · Score: 1

    My wife was pretty against watching it at first. Although, she is with everything... takes me ages to get her to try a video game too and then once she does shes addicted to it more than I am.. Anyway, got her to start watching TNG in season 2 and told her it only gets a lot better as the characters develop. Now she loves watching it and we're almost through season 6, and have watched a few of the movies together as well. Problem with TNG is you cant really skip the first two seasons because there are some really good episodes and important events but the actors dont really start developing their characters till season 3+.

  126. Photons be free by yabos · · Score: 1

    Didn't like "Photons be free" ? lol

  127. Star Trek Insurrection by caseih · · Score: 1

    Star Trek Insurrection is, in my opinion, one of the best Star Trek movies ever. And it's accessible to non-trekkies. It's modern, yet is fairly true to the Roddenberry vision, which is odd as it is a Rick Berman production (he single-handedly destroyed Roddenberry's baby). It has a simple plot, but that plot is the essence of Star Trek over the years. Lots of action, a romantic subplot, and classic "do the right thing consequences be damned" Star Trek attitude.

  128. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by nomorecwrd · · Score: 1

    And what about starting with the Remastered version of TOS? That should level up the space FX parts...
    and then doing an historical lecture about FX in the 60's, and showing how the really were.

    too much Sheldonian?

  129. Pooooorrrrn! by MistabewM · · Score: 1

    Start with Deepthroat Nine and work your way down. Then up. Then down...

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  130. Pick favourites by Don+Philip · · Score: 1

    There are lists floating around the internet of the "best" or "favourite" episodes of the various Star Trek episodes. I'd choose one of the "best" episodes from the first series (The City on the Edge of Forever would be one good candidate) to introduce the characters and general situation, and then move to "best of" the other series.

  131. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

    lol - I suppose I could have expanded that to include costume, framing, acting style, plot themes, etc. but I figured that was understood. I also know that it worked for me - I took this approach with my gf... started out with an episode a night, within a couple days she wanted to watch them all the time. All 7 seasons watched in under 3 weeks. Now she loves sci-fi so much she named our pets after Firefly characters :)

  132. Introducing Your New Girlfriend to Start Trek by srobert · · Score: 1

    For starters, do you have any handcuffs?

  133. ST:TNG pinball game by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    Start them off with the ST:TNG pinball game. That worked for me. I was a huge pinball fan already (over 40 years playing the silver ball today) and hate TOS and "lost in space". But ST:TNG is one of the greatest pinball games ever and once I started watching ST:TNG, my enjoyment of the pin went up considerably.

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  134. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

    A geek friend of mine (who for reasons I don't understand hasn't watched TNG before) recently started TNG. He made it half way through the first season before giving up. When I considered some of the episodes, I must admit, I don't blame him. It took that show a little while to get off the ground.

  135. How To Introduce Someone To Star Trek? by alexo · · Score: 1

    You start with a full frontal lobotomy...

  136. How to introduce someone to star trek by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    With a Vulcan neck pinch, of course.

  137. Yes, do that by jonadab · · Score: 1

    > My first idea is to start off with a few good TNG episodes,
    > and then let them watch First Contact.

    I would have said a few good TNG episodes and then Insurrection,
    but sure, whatever.

    > Which particular episodes would you recommend watching
    > for someone who is completely new to all this?"

    Start with these four exceptionally good ones, in any order:
    Time's Arrow
    The Best of Both Worlds
    The Inner Light
    Soldiers of the Empire (DS9, but it's the best Klingon episode ever)

    Then go through these, in order by air date:
    Who Watches the Watchers
    Darmok
    Ensign Ro
    A Fistful of Datas
    Ship in a Bottle
    Face of the Enemy
    Gambit
    Lower Decks
    Masks

    Then do the four good TOS movies (STII:TWOK, STIII:TSFS, STIV:TVH, and STVI:TUC). Don't show ST:TMP until they've seen most or all of the TOS episodes. You have to be seriously nostalgic for TOS to sit through that one. (What? I have no idea what you're on about. Don't be absurd. There is no Star Trek Five. They crash the Bird of Prey in San Fransisco at the end of IV and take the new Enterprise A from earth at the beginning of VI. Nothing of interest happens in between -- nothing that would've been worth filming, certainly.)

    After the four good TOS movies, if they're still with you, you can start going through whole seasons of TNG, but stay *away* from seasons 1 and 2. After seasons 3-7, show the TNG movies and then start in on DS9 and after that maybe Voyager.

    Later, when they consider themselves big fans of the franchise, you can go back and show them some TOS episodes, to be immediately followed by TNG seasons 1 and 2. A good way to introduce TOS is to watch the DS9 and VOY episodes that re-use old TOS footage, then go back and watch the originals of those episodes, then branch out to other halfway decent TOS episodes.

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  138. The condensed version of Trek by n7ytd · · Score: 1

    Pick your favorite three episodes of TOS. Doesn't matter which; you can go back and fill the the rest if and when the interest is there.
    TOS should immediately be followed by a viewing of Galaxy Quest.

    Next watch Encounter at Farpoint, only because it is the first episode and outlines a lot of the universe. The tour of TNG should include The Inner Light, The Chain of Command, and your favorite two episodes. Also include a Dixon Hill episode. Finish with All Good Things.

    Watch ST:Generations and ST:First Contact

    Pick your favorite two episodes of DS9.

    Watch the first episode of Voyager that sets the stage for the rest of the series, and pick two others that you like.

    Pick an episode of Enterprise from the middle to later seasons. Apologize, and watch several episodes of Quantum Leap instead.

    Between series, explain how the universe is changed and the basic identities of the crews. Remember that you're picking episodes that you like. If your friends are interested in fleshing it out after the abridged version, you can go back and rediscover other episodes together. Look over Wikipedia and Memory Alpha to find episodes that seem intriguing.

    Above all, don't want them to like it so badly that you force your tastes on your friends. Think of the stupidest, mind-numbing show that you can and then imagine how you would react if your friends wanted you to go back and watch each episode with them. Hopefully that's not their opinion of Trek, but just gauge their reaction and don't force anything that isn't enjoyable. It's just a TV show, after all.

  139. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

    Bonus: unlike Voyager/Enterprise and to a lesser extent DS9, special effects in space were still model-based so they were used sparingly, meaning the show had to be carried more on plot/character development.

    Downside: Most of the first season of TNG is extremely painful to watch, especially after all this time but even when re-watching it in the early 90s. There's good reasons for it (starting production from scratch unlike later series, characters and technology hadn't been fully established by the writers yet, etc), but it's still painful.

  140. Find the connection, describe the relation... by eepok · · Score: 1

    I got into Star Trek neither for the fictional science nor for watching Diana Troy skip about in a body suit (that intrigue came later in life). I watched TNG, from childhood, for the frequent discussion on ethics. The Prime Directive was the main character of the storyline for me and I couldn't wait to learn more about the background of the Prime Directive, how human society evolved to accept the Prime Directive, how other characters were going to disregard it, and how they would justify doing so.

    I was a student of ethics and behavior from very, very early in life, so it took no effort for me to get hooked.

    I would suggest taking a similar method with any budding Trekkie. Find their interests and curiosities in life and relate them to directly to the show. Skip to specific episodes if necessary. Then, describe certain characters and roles those characters play. After a bit of episode surfing, offer to start from the beginning.

  141. Start at the beginning by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    I'd say the new Star Trek remake movie is a good place to start. My wife watched ToS shortly after watching that film.

    If people like good stories, ToS is really the best place to stat. As an added bonus, some of the effects they did back then are absolutely stunning for their technology capabilities of the day (especially on a nice HD screen).

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  142. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

    One of the problems with TNG is that it *really* doesn't pick up its stride until season 3. Beardless Riker (season 1) is just barely canceled out by Tasha Yar, and Dr. Pulaski (season 2) is just barely canceled out by the show starting to gel together and having some awesome episodes until season 3 sees true awesomeness become a regular thing through the end of the series.

    There are still a few duds from seasons 3-7, but overall it's genius.

  143. Girlfriend - Voyager by imevil · · Score: 1

    I think the most appealing to a girl would be Voyager, because of the fair amount of good female character in lead roles and the fact that men and women are treated as equal, up to the uniform. I personally think it's pretty impressive of how women have lead roles and are not just sidekicks (like in Doctor Who).

    That, if she's not the pretty princess type of girl, of course.

  144. Re:Brain and brain! What is brain? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

    Don't start with the beginning of the first season of TNG. Much of it was pretty disappointing. TNG didn't really get going until the second season.

  145. Star trek order by geekonamotorcycle · · Score: 1

    Enterprise > TNG > Ds9 > Voyager if they can tolerate old TV shows then watch TOS in production order somewhere in between. Enterprise has what it takes to hook a modern TV watcher.

  146. You'd make things happen faster if... by chemosh6969 · · Score: 1

    ...you just broke up with her now and severed contact with the friends you want to introduce to Star Trek aka showing them how nerdy you are.

  147. Don't do it in order by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

    They're really dated. In my head I know that only two of the principle characters are white, red-blooded, American males; and that Roddenberry was performing miracles in getting an Asian guy, a Russian, a Scot, and an actual black woman on ship that was clearly supposed to be a spiritual descendent of the USS Enterprise in 1968. But it's still really weird to watch a cast I know is 100% American, overwhelmingly male, and all-white except for the token black chick and Sulu, and then say "It's the best they could do." It doesn't help if you watch season two's Omega Glory, which happens on a planet inhabited by Chinese Communist City-folk in a genocidal war with the White American Capitalists. Then you watch "Paradise Syndrome" three or four episodes later, and the least racist thing is that the Indian Princess is played by an obvious white chick in redface.

    So keep to the episodes that are good, and clearly not racist.

  148. Re:Broken Bow maybe by narcc · · Score: 1

    Indeed. I somehow turned ENT into TNG. I'm rightfully shamed!

  149. Re:DS9 - S06E19 - In The Pale Moonlight.avi by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

    This episode is by far the best Star Trek episode ever, it shows a pivotal point in the war and you really see the captain battling with his principles.

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  150. Start with the latest movie by PixlPshr · · Score: 1

    The 2009 Star Trek movie was brilliantly done, and worth watching over and over. For someone who's never watched anything Trek, it's a nice high quality introduction to the characters. Use the movie to make them fall in love with the characters before exposing them to the melodrama of the 60s show. Once someone is hooked, they can watch just about anything Trek... even Deep Sleep 9!

  151. Match The Vibe by s1sfx · · Score: 1

    Thoroughly enjoyed most of the comments ;-) My advice is to match the right vibe to the right person. If someone likes whales, show them the whale movie. If someone likes finances, introduce them to Quark. If they are a complete muppet, show them 7 of 9. If they're into language and metaphor, tell them about Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. For the BDSM fans, there's Damar. There's so much choice, one can find something that will catch the interest for almost everyone.

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  152. Hmmm by ScottZ · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goose_That_Laid_the_Golden_Eggs

    *sigh*

  153. Anything will do by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

    Just introducing people to Star Trek isn't difficult at all. It's just like any other series: you start at the beginning. Now, since Star Trek consists of many different series, this simply means the start of any series will do.

    This from someone who casually watched Voyager and TNG on TV.

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