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BBC: UK Votes To Leave The European Union (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: The UK has voted by 52% to 48% to leave the European Union after 43 years in a historic referendum, a BBC forecast suggests. London and Scotland voted strongly to stay in the EU but the remain vote has been undermined by poor results in the north of England. Voters in Wales and the English shires have backed Brexit in large numbers. The referendum turnout was 71.8% -- with more than 30 million people voting -- the highest turnout since 1992. London has voted to stay in the EU by around 60% to 40%. However, no other region of England has voted in favor of remaining. Britain would be the first country to leave the EU since its formation -- but a leave vote will not immediately mean Britain ceases to be a member of the 28-nation bloc. That process could take a minimum of two years, with Leave campaigners suggesting during the referendum campaign that it should not be completed until 2020 -- the date of the next scheduled general election. The prime minister will have to decide when to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which would give the UK two years to negotiate its withdrawal. Once Article 50 has been triggered a country can not rejoin without the consent of all member states. British Prime Minister David Cameron is under pressure to resign as a result of the decision. UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage called on him to quit "immediately." One labor source said, "If we vote to leave, Cameron should seriously consider his position." Several pro-Leave Conservatives including Boris Johnson and Michael Gove have signed a letter to Mr. Cameron urging him to stay no matter the decision. Mr. Cameron did say he would trigger Article 50 as soon as possible after a leave vote.
Update 6/24 09:33 GMT: David Cameron has resigned.
Update 6/24 09:33 GMT: David Cameron has resigned.
Mission accomplished, I guess?
The sheer showing the finger value to 'experts' is amazing in this one!
Scotland (which recently voted to stay in Great Britain because they were told they would drop out of the EU if they left the UK) and Northern Ireland voted to stay in. England and Wales voted to get out.
So Small Britain, or the United Kingdom of England and Wales, will leave the EU.
Probably, we will see Northern Ireland join the Irish Republic and Scotland to become independent during the next 2 years.
No, not only the EU, but also slashdot. WHY IS THIS HERE??? No, dont give me the "stuff that matters", you can also post a daily report about Miley's tongue in this section :-@
Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Juncker (and many others, like Mr. Schulz) worked long and hard to achieve just this outcome. Should not surprise anyone.
I for one re-welcome our British overlords. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi.
FIRST!!! we stay in! I win!
So the EU is supposed to serve several purposes: common market, free labor movement and mutual support for countries. But it turned out that free labor movement doesn't provide a lot of benefits to Britain and everybody remembers well how Germany raped Greece instead of helping it.
The question of free trade still remains, Britain will have to secure trade deals with lots of countries.
Especially idiot Cameron: he played with fire for so long, surfing the xenophobic and ultra-liberal wave until it exploded right under his nose. May the burns itch forever.
Good riddance.
If I was was a UK resident I would vote for a Brexit too, But I am Australian and selfish as well so I wish they had stayed, going to make markets very unstable for a long time to come.
For the uninformed, the EU is undemocratic: no legislation can be passed without the say-so of unelected bureaucrats (the European Commission) which voters cannot feasibly remove from power (because the system for appointing them is highly indirect and opaque). Much opposition to the EU stems from this. UK democracy isn't perfect (e.g. voting isn't proportional, and the unelected House of Lords can delay legislation) but voters can and do change the government and change policy direction through the ballot box.
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Here's the naked truth from an Spaniard:
1) UK got privileges no other country got:
- They kept their old monetary unit (GBP)
- They kept the *right to refuse entry* (not signed SENGEN)
- They kept the old measuring unit system (instead of International System)
- They kept colonies in other countries of the EU (Gibraltar) even though it's clearly illegal and have a specific article forbidding it.
Etc.
2) The Universal Declaration of Human Right, which all countries are obliged to comply with as is *written* in the European Treaties and Constitution, says clearly:
Art. 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
3) As the UK did not comply with the "rights" part of the UDHR, forced by the EU Constitution and International Treaties, and shitted in the treaties that form the core and meaning of the EU (SENGEN, no colonies, etc.) I can say anything but...
GO F**K YOURSELVES
PS: It's a pity that Ireland got kicked too due to their stupidity.
So, it turns out that borders matter after all! And that First World citizens don't like being flooding with Third Worlders who don't necessarily want to assimilate, and in fact seem to want to make their new country more like the hellholes they escaped from. And that opinions that are criticized do better in the privacy of the voting booth than in polls. (See: "shy Tory effect" or "Bradley effect.")
Now we have Trump, who at least talks a good game about loving his country, vs. Hillary, who wants to "fix" and "improve" it by doing things like importing more Muslim refugees and restricting gun rights. Many people are going to be shocked when Trump wins.
(To those of you wanting to verbally abuse and downvote me: this is a prediction, not an endorsement.)
Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
RIP our stupid country and the idiots who live in it. Looking forward to people suddenly realising that the EU are going to actually negotiate our access to the single market rather than completely surrendering to us. Would be pretty ironic if we ended up getting forced into Schengen.
EU was an American project, it never made sense from point of view of creating free trade (if that was ever the goal, which I do not think is the reality). If you want free trade as a nation all you have to do is stop creating barriers to trade at the government level, people will trade, that is never the problem. Creating a larger, transnational corrupted government to reduce the trade barriers associated with a smaller, national corrupted government (all governments are corrupt by definition, there is no such thing as a government that is not corrupt, that is patently, historically, factually impossible to achieve, which is why governments shouldn't exist AFAIC and if they exist, they should be as tiny and irrelevant on large scale as possible, maybe government at the street level, not even municipal, maybe none at all).
Anyway, good for UK. I am sure that it will still trade with the rest of the EU countries as do countries that never participated in the EU project in the first place. China is not in the EU, neither is the USA or Australia, etc., yet they trade with the EU. UK will trade with the EU of-course and it will do so on terms that will not put its sovereignty in a questionable position.
My ultimate position is that there should be no governments, but if they exist, they should be as small as possible (hopefully small enough to kick them in the balls singlefootedly, so to speak).
UK will do fine and in the next few months ideas of EU exit will spread among many other countries in that block. Portugal, Italy, Spain, France, Sweden will be looking at it very closely now.
EU was a flawed idea from every perspective from the very beginning, what is Greece doing in the same 'economic zone' with the same common currency with Germany? Latvia? Lithuania? Romania? Cyprus? That's not only a different league, that's not even the same game. When Germany joined this idiocy, the Germans immediately lost over half of the value of the Mark. Germany needs to quit this project, but of-course it will double down instead, but I think now that UK left, Merkel will not be re-elected and hopefully for the Germans they will get somebody who will do something that is in the best interests of the Germans.
Get rid of the Euro and reduce trade barriers with other countries but do not let others just step all over yourself.
You can't handle the truth.
First order of business should be to sign all the free-trade deals that the EU was preventing. Canada, Australia, China, etc.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I mean, John Oliver eviscerated the Leavers on his show! How could this happen? How could racist old white men hijack the vote? It is 2016!
2016-?
Ummm. Isn't this want everyone wants? A weak currency? Everyone says China is getting stupid rich and kicking everyone's ass because their currency is weak. It isn't fair! Weak currency == unstoppable.
So now the pound has dropped a lot. All of England's exports just got cheaper. We need US businesses to call them an unfair currency manipulator and push for high tariffs. That will fix things! (this is sarcasm. Something no one seems to get here.)
Me thinks those Savile row suits just became a lot better looking.
Seriously, A weak pound will help the UK. It is a plus when selling your goods. More people will visit.
I can't blame the UK. The EU is full of crazy ass socialists who have created ridiculous regulations. As if the right to be forgotten wasn't crazy and stupid enough, the human rights for robots is downright insanity. All of this creates a tremendous economic burden and a lot of debt. The UK showed a ton of sense by getting out now before they go down with the rest of Europe.
but more about who is out,- who is not in, or not in yet, or almost in, or practically in except currency, etc.
There is the UN United Nations Organization. It is a comprehensive universal framework. However it seems that for some countries it is beneath dignity to work in an universal organization together with all others, and that is why this drive create small elitist unions, to show off that they better than others. But it will not work in a globalized world.
This story is interesting, but why is it on slashdot?
Refer to a map of how areas voted, those that have been swamped by Eastern Bloc millions were clearly "out" (the blue), whereas protected areas in capital cities (yellow) were massively "in". Scotland were "in", but they survive on English taxes and EU handouts. They are not good enough to qualify to EU membership on their own. Strange as that sounds, when 3rd world nations are accepted.
Perhaps if those moving to the UK integrated, rather than set up no-go zones for the locals, the backlash may not have occurred. The Indian and Pakistanis immigrants did just this in the 60-80s. The "European" and Russians generally do not.
EU immigration allowed for millions of broke, unskilled people to freely live off the UK tax payers; yet highly skilled, UK university educated people from non-EU countries are kicked out with two years. Migration will always happen, it's a good thing; but what's happening in the EU is the same as the USA giving free access to their country to Mexico and most of the nations in South America at the expense of the US tax payer. It's ain't gonna work, or go down very well.
Nice one UK. Now you will get more Niggaz, Pakistani, Indians and Arabs instead of white Eastern Europeans. BTW most of Western Europe did the same mistake already. :-)
I voted "remain" in the end, but it was a close run thing. I'm philosophical about the results; we won't know the real implications for some time. But be under no illusions, this was not just about the EU. Indeed, the EU never really dominated the campaign. It was a rebellion against a long standing political consensus and, in particular, the legacy of Blairism. In essence, Blairism was the marriage of Thatcherite economics to social mores which had previously been the concern of the far left; basically free markets plus multiculturalism. The intention was that over time, the population would buy into that. In London and Scotland, it more or less happened. But in much of the U.K., the population went the other way. An unbalanced economy dependent on financial services squeezed their finances and living standards, while mass immigration forced down wages and created visible, angry, unassimilated immigrant communities in their midst. Moreover, the usual channels of democratic restoration were blocked. Blair's biggest achievement was to foster a media environment which labelled any questioning of the social consensus as racist and a legal system which in some cases made it an arrestable offence. Meanwhile, too many of our institutions changed their ethos from public service to "thought leadership"; trying to reform the population rather than meeting its needs. The vote, I think, needs to be seen as a rebellion against that. I wish the result had been different, but I accept that it wasn't. I live and work in London and my whole circle voted to remain. My parents live in the suburbs of a northern city and they and their circle voted to leave. I had been warning colleagues for weeks that I thought a Leave win was likely; I thought the polling was both running into "social acceptability bias" and underestimating the likelihood that the lower income groups would vote. This, incidentally, is why I would bet on Trump winning in November, scary though that is. And things feel scary in the UK this morning. But a proper discussion of why the vote went the way it did and an acceptance that we need to at least accept and tolerate our divisions rather than widening them would be good first steps.
This should be a wake up call for people who think that Trump could never be elected president in the US.
I live in Germany, but am not a German citizen. I think the UK was interested in being in a free trade block of European nations with similar economies and cultural ideals. I think the political establishment on the continent believes that a "United States of Europe" is the only acceptable natural and desired end-state for Europe. Eventually these different expectations had to be addressed.
Scottish fishermen have been bitterly complaining about fishermen from other EU countries fishing inside the Scottish waters, depleting the fish stock
To the Scottish fishermen, Britain leaving the EU is a good news
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Ha ha
Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith
HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain#EUref
6:24 PM - 23 Jun 2016
If they would have waited some years it would been a remain.
There are no stupid questions, Just a lot of inquisitive idiots. (from a good friend)
I hope this means that bloody programme is banished from our tv screens, although if they still let us compete they all might vote in our favour to make us host it the next year out of spite for leaving the EU... aw bollocks.
Scattered [useless?] thoughts but I need to get it out from my chest:
My deepest fear is that this will be used as an excuse for another eternal "economic crisis". Because you make more money when shit happens....
Regarding the brexit - I supported both sides. Honestly! On one hand I am [very] disappointed by the EU, on the other I think it will go worse for all of us now...but will it go worse because of some real issues or because the financial sharks will happily create a crisis?
At the very bottom I see this as vote against the whole socio-economic system; however since people do not realize that the very foundations of the system need re-evaluation they shoot down indiscriminately everything they can every time they are asked (EU constitution, anyone?)
The statements ATM from diplomats and politicians [from EU, not Brits] are INSANE! Many have said [e.g. the French diplomatic mission in my country] that this was all Putin's fault (I am not kidding!!)...I mean there is nothing more idiotic and revealing than to keep excusing your greed and incompetence with the big scary bear. The bear is not that big neither it is very scary and in fact the EU has been playing the role of a buffer in the new war between US and Russia. European leaders claim that Europe is making its own destiny yet the surveillance/police states are in full swing, secret trade negotiations, 25% unemployment among young people [what to do? - bail the banks!!], robots taking our jobs [what to do? - RAISE the pension age, increase taxes!!] and the propaganda in the media is insufferable..
Perhaps by bad luck or bad luck reinforced by wrong decisions I suffered by the system in western Europe and I still suffer [got bankrupted by the medi-care system; family screwed by job market]. So in my eyes I cannot stand the system that spills money left, right and center, going to wars nobody wants [except the money makers and their bitches the politicians], endlessly destabilizing the economy while at the same time the regular honest tax payer and decent member of society gets screwed.....again and again....and even VILIFIED [terrible white slavers sexist racist chauvinist pig]....no help from anywhere because I do not belong to any minority [LGTB or whatever] or majority [religion] group....so disappointing!
It looks like the captain leaving a ship at first sight of trouble ahead of all the others....
Is this a binding referendum?
In other words; is the government forced to do as voted or do they have wiggle room to weasel out of it?
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See eu later!
I wanted to check on the progress of the Brexit vote, so I went to the CNN website, but it only said in large black letters "LEAVE".
Jeez, they didn't have to be so mean about it.
..before we could send them on their way.
Prime Minister David Cameron has announced his resignation and will be stepping down by October.
because the U.S will make you into a different kind of favorite pet now. You will be taken cared of, and the U.S will ultimately get more leverage in the region. Just as was intended.
Good news everyone! The main driver for turning the EU into the Unites States of Europe is on the way out. Now EU can focus on things like privacy and consumer rights again as the UK seemed to look at their cousins in the west with admiration and following their trends didplayed a "Oooh, totaliarism is the Next Big Thing? We want some too!" mentalty.
From the perspective of a very far on looker (a Canadian living in China), the result of the referendum is very unfortunate. Since WWII, generations and generations of people, with long term vision for a stable and peaceful Europe, had put their weight to form the Union. It's certainly not perfect, but it's better, by a long measure, than the situation in the first half of the 20th century. I am quite amazed that more older generation stand by the Leave camp. I would have thought that they should be the ones who know better. With one referendum, which is more fueled by temporary discontent than calm reasoning, they want to dismantle what took years and years to gradually build up. The chain reactions in the coming years won't be pretty, and I hope I would be wrong.
I was born in Cambodia, been through the Khmer Rouge regime, lost 80% of our family, spent 8 years in a refugee camp in Vietnam, and was lucky enough to be accepted in Canada when I was 18. In the 1990s, I was very happy to see the Berlin wall fall, and that Europeans countries were merging into one block with their interests tightly interconnected, and I could only dream of a same scenario for Asia, a scenario that would take many many more years to even be a prospective, if at all.
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
Remain has taken 96 per cent of the vote in the EU referendum in Gibraltar, the first area to declare.
More than 19,300 people there voted for Remain compared to just over 800 for Leave.
There are no stupid questions, Just a lot of inquisitive idiots. (from a good friend)
There are a number of obvious contributing factors to Brexit. Nationalism and selfishness are two of the most obvious.
So let's consider the enlightened discussion here on slashdot, this bastion of intellectual turmoil and whatever.
There have been several hundred comments so far. No mention of "nationalism" yet appears. One marginally related but tangential mention of "selfish" and no mentions of "selfishness". Maybe there are some hidden references, but then their invisibility reflects the failure of the moderation system. However, I think Brexit reflects a larger failure of journalism in general and a more specific failure of slashdot in particular.
People who were capable of thinking about the future would not vote in favor of fracturing Europe. They would have been able to put the broader long-term interests of their own grandchildren ahead of their various minor terrors of foreigners stealing their jobs, especially considering that if 52% hated the EU I'd bet that a much higher percentage hate their own jobs and ought to be glad if some immigrants would steal them.
Same rise of ignorant short-sighted stupidity has made it possible for the Donald of Trump to become a serious contender for the presidency, squatting on his bizarre high chair that he imagines as a throne. Don't look too closely at the legs: One leg for the government haters, one for the Hillary haters, a leg of bigots, and a last leg of overt racists. Yeah, a few Trumpists are smart enough to try to talk nice, but scratch a Trump supporter and you find a hater.
My problem with all of this is that I'm a believer in enlightened self-interest (per Heinlein, even). If people see sufficiently large pictures, then they will see how their private and national selfishness has to be limited for the long-term survival of the human species.
Why don't they see the large pictures? I think it's mostly because the existing economic models, including slashdot's pitiful economic models, drive them to short-term BS journalism and reality TV. Brexit and Trumpism are just natural outcomes. Gawd save us all, but he won't. (Even if he existed, it would be a breach of his divinely insane plan.)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
The EU. The UK. But Not Spain, or any other country of the EU.
When you get an highly politicized media forcing a side and pushing and shaming people for not taking it, you may end alienating a large portion of the population and making em disobey you, even when you're pushing for the right decision.
And i bet at least in part, people just voted to leave because the creepy manipulative forceful thing they can't truly trust told em to vote to stay.
If they would have waited some years it would been a remain.
You assume people don't change their mind. Young people have different needs and experiences. You can't just make such an assumption based on no information but age, you will have to do the boring and very work of actually looking of looking at the details - the "Why?".
The UK will now need to show the world that it can cope without the EU. To achieve this it will need to make sure its financial centre (London), stays afloat.
So what will it do? Well, the obvious solution is make London as attractive as possible, to make sure all the big businesses stay in the UK. And if that means sucking the life out of the rest of the country to meet this goal, then so be it.
I'm only joking of course. London's been doing this for years already.
Summation 2
No doubt this referendum will have an impact on people decisions. France for instance has its presidential elections next year, and all this passion for EU-xit will definitely have its say during the coming political campaigns.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
It's official - we live in a post-factual democracy.
Sympathies to all my fellow EU citizens, and especially to my ex-EU UK unfortunates.
Alex Salmond has already called for a second Scottish independence referendum and I don't see how that can be refuse, the same for NI. I'm pro-union and pro-eu and certainly see Scotland leaving the UK now.
The UK have shown time and time again that they're a bunch of xenophobic morons...
And this just re-affirms it.
Fuck EU
Thank you UK, this gives hopes to us in other counties under EU "rule".
I can't wait until we follow the path of USSR and to again see centrally-planned economy crap to collapse.
The existence of a second chamber in legislatures around the world is odd objectively - and is entirely a result of our House of Lords. A few states have got rid of the second chamber, or never had it - Israel, New Zealand and Nebraska. A lot of other countries struggle to know what to do with it. In that context the UK House of Lords works very well; it provides people who can seriously scrutinise legislation that MPs are too busy to look at properly. It provides a forum where ministers can get a good kicking from people who are actually experts in their topic, as opposed to being a forum for minimally knowledgeable political hacks to play to their party managers. If it didn't exist, you wouldn't invent it, but it works well as a useful check on a governing system that otherwise tends to the dictatorial.
BULLSHIT! Your writing style gives it away! You compliment Trump while putting Hillary's ideas in scare quotes. You also refer to him as loving his country while pointing out scary boogeymen and the stripping of rights. You are a liar. You are bad and should feel bad for being bad!
The picture emerging this morning on social media from friends that had so far kept quiet is that this a kick in the balls for the establishment.
Why the uneducated scumbags were given a right to vote?!?
The UK voters have just propelled their country back onto the trajectory on which they were with Thatcherism: economic disaster, unemployment, civil unrest, and the Empire won't come back. A reckless decision of self-centered nationalistic isolationists...and the beginning of the end of the EU. The many right-wing nationalistic anti-Europeans in Hungary and Poland will attempt the same move. This puts an end to the decades of peace and prosperity since WW II that are undoubtedly caused mainly by the European Union.
It looks like people are starting to notice that these huge trade agreements might be good for a country's economy, but that a good economy doesn't necessarily benefit average citizens.
The EU, specifically, has run into trouble since it incorporated former Soviet states and short-listed Turkey for membership. This may have been wise politically, but it basically opened the floodgates for Third World immigration into countries that were already suffering from globalization. Once all the pretty rhetoric is scrubbed away, "globalization" simply means that decent jobs vanish along with the tariffs that protected First World workers from having to compete directly with Third World slave labour. And suddenly, quite a lot of those Third World labourers have been turning up right next door, putting even more downward pressure on wages.
Initial joy over cheap manufactured goods has given way to anger and disgust as well-paid jobs in the hollowed-out manufacturing sector disappeared into countries where protection for workers and the environment exist only on paper. Meanwhile, tax burdens on the First World's dying middle class have skyrocketed because corporations selling into First World markets have found tax shelters offshore.
And, of course, it's all been legal, because the political process in every large-scale democracy has been corrupted to the point where "the 1%" owns all the major parties outright, and those parties have obediently enacted laws to facilitate its depredations.
I doubt anything like this expression of democracy, no matter whether or not it is short-sighted and wrong, will be allowed to happen again.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Should a prime minister resign for such a percentage? So should do its antagonist, if math matters.
The UK just voted to separate from it. Literally dead? Not yet... but the dominoes were already clicking into each other before the UK left. Who wants to join the EU? Turkey? Most promising nations... that would add something to the EU have let their petitions to join lapse... aka... they basically dropped their admission appeal in a manner that saved face for the EU.
Eastern Europe wants out because the immigration thing is not what they signed up for... and southern europe only signed up for the free money. That's gone... and with that their toleration for EU interference in their markets, economies, and politics will very quickly irk them. The French are already worrying their own version of a referendum.
No one has a crystal ball into the future. No one knows what tomorrow will bring. But the EU could have been saved if the people running it had listened or been at all responsive to what was required to keep the EU together. They literally LAUGHED at the people that made petitions of it.
Wrong answer. Time to die.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Not so fast. We know the voting is heavily manipulated, and under control by the NWO.
I believe we are looking at another Rothchild trick; I'll explain...
When Nepeoleon was defeated, a rider that worked for Rothchild raced to London and informed the markets that Nepeoleon had won. The prices then collapsed and that enabled Rothchild to buy up the market for pennies on the pound. Then the real news came out that Nepeoleon was defeated, and it was already too late because Rothchild had most of the wealth at that point.
I believe in a matter of days, or maybe only hours, there will be some sort of announcement of a miscount, or a stipulation where the U.K. will not ctually leave the E.U. I think it will be a "miscount", because that will have the biggest impact on the markets.
This is nothing but a transfer of wealth from the lower classes to the Oligarchy.
Merge them and the Scots as Transkintyria. Or if you prefer, Paddyjockoland.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Happy Independence Day, you did it congratulations happy Independence Day!
For the benefit of UK readers of this site (and, incidentally the rest of Europe, imo), I am going to copy a post of mine that I've made elsewhere.
There is a method by which members of the public can petition parliament, with that petition forming the basis for a commons debate. The parliament website says that it will "take the existing threshold of 100,000 signatures for a petition to be considered for debate in the House as a starting-point. But it also noted that there may be occasions when a debate is not appropriate—such as when a debate has already taken place in the House on the same subject"
The petition I have in mind is here:
Petition for a second EU Referendum
It doesn't have quite the rationale I'd have used - personally I'd have gone with something like "Whereas the leave campaign grossly misrepresented their position and flat out lied to the voting public we the undersigned..." but there's no point filing multiple petitions to the same end, as that could potentially split the vote, resulting in a much weaker case for a second referendum.
Of course, parliament has already debated the issue, so the chances of getting a second referendum are slim indeed. But slim is not nil! If enough signatures are gathered, if there is an overwhelming show of support, there is always a chance. What counts as overwhelming? Well, considering about seventeen and a half million people voted to leave the EU, I'd say about twenty million signatures would be required to guarantee a second chance. How can we get that many signatures? One at a time!
Bearing in mind that in the immediate aftermath following the results about £150 billion was wiped off our national worth, one of the leaders of the leave campaign admitted that the campaign (not him, of course, never him) lied about at least one of its major promises, and, listening to Nicola Sturgeon we are facing the breakup of Great Britain itself, we simply cannot sit back and do nothing.
So, if you voted to remain in the EU, I'm sure you need little persuading. Please sign the petition.
If you did not vote, and, like me, are aghast at what has happened, and what will almost inevitably happen, please sign the petition.
If you voted to leave the EU, in all good conscience, and are now realising that you were misled by the leave campaign, and are, similarly, shocked by the reactions and revelations that have followed, please, do the right thing, and sign the petition.
Finally, after you have signed the petition, hang on to some hope, there is still a faint glimmer of it, and share this post, share the shares, or, in any other way you can, make as many people as you can aware of the petition, and encourage them to sign it.
Please, before it's too late!
And don't forget that the EU will have to give them a pretty louse "exit package", or risk making exiting the EU "appealing" to others. So, the "negotiations" won't go smoothly, and the UK will probably end up with worse deals than other non-EU countries - even if the EU itself might be losing on them.
Another interesting thing is to note that young people overwhelmingly voted "remain" (it was about 75-25 in the 18-24 category), when the most "leave" votes were in the 65+ category (60-40). So the UK will leave due to the votes of people who won't be part of the non-EU future (for long at least)...
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It's exactly the same issue as in the US: given a steady seepage of power to an unaccountable central government run by politicians and academics obsessed with issues the general public doesn't care about, this sentiment has been building up for years. Then add an uncontrolled wave of insurgents (not 'immigrants' in any traditional legal sense whatever) and you have a revolt.
End Soviet Europe instead.
Then do the TTIP thing or whatever.
The United Kingdom is dead, long live the Divided Kingdom.
The vote distribution shows enough: it's easier to influence idiots than intelligent people. Populism wins.
Peasants with Pitchforks had the decisive vote in this referendum.
Come and see next episode, how London (government, banks, etc.), despite having voted remain, are blamed for the economic catastrophe that is the only possible outcome, and see them burn at the stake.
The UK, well England, Scotland, Whales, and N Ireland, its all going to be all right. These states have been at war, at peace, for centuries. The UK was only in the EU since the '70s. The events of history will unfold as they will, the people of the UK will push through and succeed. They always have, there is no reason to believe that won't now.
There is more thorough analysis available, which basicly states, that the groups Remain and Leave have very distinct properties.
Remainers are younger than 45, live in large towns and have an university degree or are students at an university.
Leavers are older than 45, live in rural and small town regions, mainly in the East and North of England and in Central Wales, and have no university degree.
I found these comments really interesting because you're basically saying that the UK has now become just like the USA. We have the same issues here. People in small towns with no higher education have completely different values and desires from the educated people who live in cities. I can't speak to UK politics, but some of this in the US is the fault of the Republican Party, who in the past decade started embracing anti-intellectuals as a valued voting bloc. In fact, I'd point out that Sarah Palin has made her career out of promoting anti-intellectualism as the solution to all of America's problems. Sorry to hear you're now one of us, UK people.
If the British economy only gets hurt a little, then Boris Johnson can say, "You see, it wasn't so bad. I told you so." And if the economy goes into a steep recession, then after even an anemic recovery, he can say, "Look at how much better we're doing since my election!"
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European Union was formally established in November 1993, so U.K. must have invented time travel to leave it after 43 years in 2016.
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> after 43 years in a historic referendum
The referendum didn't last 43 years.
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I think you mean 23 years.
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The result of the brexit vote is democracy. It has to be respected. It's a turning point for the world as UK will need to re-evaluate all its trade globally. And perhaps there will be many chances brought on the table for inner-EU countries and also for UK itself.
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Remain wasn't undermined by poor results in the north of England. The vast majority of England, with the notable exceptions of London, Oxfordshire (Oxford University) and a few others, voted to leave.
This has been an interesting vote, to say the least. Essentially, as a friend put it, England has finally voted for unity in Ireland and Scottish independence.
The globalists will not like this and will probably staged a terrorist attack and blame it on Arabs. It may very well be the catalyst of officially start WWIII.
And they have always been at war with Eastasia Perhaps now they will be at war with Eurasia as they always have been.
Now schedule a vote to ban Sharia.
"The elites are not the problem, the population at the moment is the problem"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
love is just extroverted narcissism
It makes me wonder, if Scotland had voted to leave the UK, would the UK now still be in the EU?
I heard that a lot of the Brexit votes came from Scotland and Wales.
Coming home to roost...
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
... we've just gone eccentric. Damn, I've been reading to much Banks recently.
I think this is a good opprtunity to show that this is not the US, we're not going to start a civil war if you want to secede. This is not the Soviet Union where tanks will roll in your streets to occupy you. If you don't want to be a part of the EU, nobody's forcing you. I'm from Norway, a country that has rejected the EU twice in 1972 and 1994 and one of the reasons has been the feeling that this loss of sovereignty is permanent, you can join but if we find out this was a bad idea we can in practice never leave. Well now we'll see.
Oh, just you wait, redcoat.
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And with this vote Britain has lost all right to make fun of America about Trump's nomination.
that the UK land-mass actually tore itself away from the European Mainland!
#include {stdio.h> # stupid less than symbol and /.
#define BR 1
int main()
{
printf("Hello, World! (Bye, EU!)\n");
exit(BR);
}
A point that most people are missing is that the countries that are most nationalist, most economically self centered, and most limit immigration are by far the most successful in the modern world. We need to look no further than China. China makes only one sided trade deals that heavily favor the country. They have tariffs. They force tech transfer of any company that does business there.
They severely limit immigration. Although several sources claim it is growing by leaps and bounds, those measures are only by percentage. In total, China has about a half million immigrants living in a country of 1.5 billion. This is like saying I hate vegetables, and I ate one carrot last week, and now I ate two carrots this week, so I had a 100% increase in vegetable intake. In reality, anyway you look at it, not many vegetables are eaten.
History shows that only when countries have a sense of self and purpose do they do economically well. This is true of China, Korea, Britain in the past, and any other rising nation. The common people of the West fundamentally understand this, even if their leaders do not. The wealth gap is growing. The great pushback is happening in response. The smarter people in many nations simply understand that despite what they are told by the "elites" countries become more successful as a result.
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
The European Commission, a completely unelected body, has been attempting to decide on toxic trade 'agreements' like TTIP in secret. These would then have been imposed on EU members, without any oversight from any kind of democratic system. While I liked the idea of the EU, it had become totally corrupt, incapable of reform, had lost control of population growth through uncontrolled immigration. It was implementing a dangerous expansion eastwards that would both provoke Russia, and lead to a massive influx of economic migrants. Without the collapsed EU system of immigration, we can hopefully have something like the Australian system, where we can select immigrants on the basis of economic contribution, and perhaps we can now look towards constraining population growth, which particularly for England, has reached frightening proportions. England is becoming increasingly densely populated, which is having a massive impact on house prices. For even a professional like myself, housing is barely affordable. There simply aren't the jobs to employ millions of more people. I can only hope that the next government will not sign up to any of the toxic 'free trade' agreements, that have so catastrophically depressed wages, created a massive balance of payments deficit, lead to a race to the bottom as employees become marketable commodities, and lead to massive social division between the super rich and everyone else. I can only hope that the next government will strengthen workers rights, re-nationalise some of the state assets that were plundered by the conservatives, and proceed with a program to re-industrialise and strengthen trade unions. If they do not proceed with such an agenda, in the medium term, there will be a social meltdown, and the UK will cease to exist. As it stands, I do not expect Scotland to be part of the United Kingdom, by the time Britain leaves the EU. The will of the Scottish people is clearly quite different to that of those in other parts of the UK. Having lived for many years in Glasgow, before moving to England, it easy to see the difference. English democracy is broken, the electoral system is unproportional, and completely broken. Lobbyists corporate interests are allowed privileged access to government, while the interests of workers are ignored.
Is like staying in the marriage with Angela Merkel.
It is heading for having a muslim majority in the neqr future. Give it 10 years and the English will not own or dominate their own capital city.
For the exact reasons that you've mentioned, multiculturalism is a failed experiment.
France has woken up to that, hopefully others will too.
Peggy Noonan at the Wall Street Journal predicted the exit of the UK from the EU last February. This is an article worth revisiting to understand the psychology behind yesterday's vote, and how the same psychology may make Trump the next U.S. president.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/tr...
I notice you post AC, as people with weak opinions but strong minds tend to do... you know in your heart your position is on the wrong side of history so you make sure it's never counted against you. Pathetic.
Immigration was not only valid but it caused the vote to go the way it did. Just being immune from having the EU dictate how many more refugees the UK HAD to take made the whole thing worthwhile, even if there is some economic downside (and we still don't even know if there is an economic downside, wait a week and see where the pound ends up at).
This is triage, pure and simple - the citizens of the UK realized they had to stop the bleeding, even if there is some short term pain in doing so. The UK has assured itself a future now, which is something questionable about those that remain the EU.
The funny thing is Trump is going to be president for the same reason the UK voted out. And you will all look at the same kinds of polls and conclude he cannot possibly be president for the same reasons you claimed the UK would never Leave.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I live and work in London and my whole circle voted to remain.
Or so they say, because they know the social repercussions if they tell the truth...
Which just backs up what you said about the polling.
And also backs up what you are saying about Trump.
That's what people in the U.S. do not get about Trump and polls and victory. There actually are not that many undecided, between Trump and Hillary is as stark a choice as there will ever be. Trump has already won and whatever he says between now and November is essentially irrelevant, though amusing.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Elderly brains are weaker hence old people become set in their ways. Conservative, yes. But not wise.
God you are an agist fuck aren't you. I'm disappointed in the results, but the elderly didn't vote leave because they're weak minded. They voted Leave because, instead of addressing and discussing their concerns (like unbridled immigration) in a thoughtful and educational manner, the ruling parties instead labelled them as rascists and dismissed their concerns out of hand, then gave them an opportunity to both express those concerns, and give those very same arrogant politicians a big fat black eye, and guess what?
They couldn't resist. And while I voted the other way and am bitterly disappointed at the outcome, I don't blame them one bit.
Unfortunately what they don't get, is that their age group would have been better protected under the EU. Now the agism that is so massive in the UK will have no more checks on it.
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Everybody should use the Cultural Marxist definition of Europe, which includes asian countries like Turkey. That would be better.
SJWs exist in the same sense that welfare queens, illegal immigrants, hipsters, and millennials do: mostly in the heads of people complaining about them. Virtue signalling, tribal affiliation, a convenient focus for your hatred of the Other. It's boring, stupid, and dangerous.
"but the remain vote has been undermined by poor results in the north of England."
"no other region of England has voted in favor of remaining"
Today I learn that England is composed of London and the North.
The EU is a project of NY and London banksters and their relatives, like Merkel.
They are bored and "want to do something big", that why they had the idea with ulimited Mohammedanic immigration.
Good riddance, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Instead of quitting the Euro and getting their own currency back, they played a supernasty Game Of Nazi against Germans, who by 99,9% have not even lived during the Nazi time.
I hope they will continue to burn in their self made hell.
It would all be better to be (effectively) ruled by your Riad Sponsors. Those who covertly sponsor ISIS and the causeless murdering of tens of thousands.
The UK always opted out of anything they could. At least leaving should be much easier for them since they are not using the Euro.
Two things that I expect to happen are:
1) The remaining EU can now focus on deeper integration.
2) Multinationals will find the UK less attractive.
We should all submit to your whims, because you know everything. Except in 1929 or 2008.
China would never ever be part of the EU, they are a proud, intelligent nation who are not ruled by banksters and their cultural Marxist offspring. China would never allow uncontrolled mass immigration like Bankster Angela does, just for starters.
Canada endorsed the not leaving the EU, largely because there has been a free trade agreement in the works for the last 5 years with the EU.
Not sure how leaving the EU makes that deal happen faster for the UK. Possibly though, if they make enough concessions.
Britain's exit is to the detriment of workers, financiers, and everybody who isn't just living on a pension or already among the political elite and wealthy in Britain. Britain will reenter the EU within a decade, as the demographics shift. The single benefit to the EU in the meantime is that removal of the xenophobic nationalists and their puppet masters (see previous description) is that it will allow more freedom to expand into the Balkans and simplify the ascension of Turkey. Farther in the future it may actually enable a greater European-Mediterranean union stabilizing the Levant and North Africa (which both have more in common historically and economically with Europe than with Sub-Saharan Africa). Only then when Europe is solid and joined with the territory formerly occupied in colonization can it face down Russia (who still retains colonized territory in Central Asia and Siberia, with large parts taken from China in the old Nerchinsk treaties).
This "ulgy old white people" meme is a Classic Marxist Rhetoric Trick.
Marx, like other banksters wanted to destroy his host nation. Modern Marxists team up with the Mohammedists towards this end.
Folks, be warned about their future insidious propaganda techniques. Go to the internet; blast their lies; work in secret; expect neighbours to be bought by the bastards. They will then work against you.
Game Theory 101
The leader of the UK, Cameron, went hat-in-hand to the EU to plead for minor changes and was rebuffed, even with the sword of Brexit hanging over his head. The arrogant unelected thug class in Brussels sent him packing with no real compromise and not even any respect.
Had the citizens of the UK been fooled into staying, as sadly many of the youth who have not lived long enough yet to acquired any wisdom appear to have been, the UK would now be trapped and the downward spiral would have dramatically accellerated. The Eurocrats would have been freed from ANY concern at all for the citizens of the UK and any concern that any complaints about any future abuses were anything more than hollow bluster.
Once Cameron returned from the continent empty-handed, any person in the UK with any shred of concern for his once-proud and globe-leading nation HAD to vote "leave" if he took the time to consider the long-term implications of staying after what would have been seen as a failed bluff.
The UK has an amazingly bright future as a once-again-free and independent nation. The wonderful people of the UK, while imperfect, once ruled much of the world and taught the world about freedom and independence and self-governance, while twice freeing the globe from great evil. It's been very sad to see them allow their elite bankers and politicians screw-up their once-great educational institutions and then use those mechanisms to propagandize their youth into rejecting their greatness and surrendering all of their history and traditions and independence into a blob of unelected paperpushers and rulemakers on the continent who would have been right at home in the reichschancellory.
Well done, citizens of the UK! As an American, I am greatly relieved so see that our great ally who has twice been there to help put the occasional jack-booted insanity of the Germans back into its can, will remain there as a free and independent friend when the need next arises, rather than having allowed its political and banker classes to continue the slow subsuming into the future continental tyranny.
I was not saying or imply that those who voted to remain in the EU were lacking patriotism (as a reading of some of that might seem to imply).
I intended (and forgot) to add that those who voted to remain after Cameron failed so spectacularly to shake the EU into reforms and concessions were NOT unpatriotic, just that many were likely busy with their lives and happy with many benefits of the EU and heard many promises/scares of the "remain" campaign and had not thought through the future treatment they could expect from arrogant guys like Junkers after a "remain" victory.
Jees! This is a fucking nightmare. This is why hardly any counties use direct democracy.. Public opinion is not always rational. Now anyone with a house, pension, or job is fucked. Thank you Farage, you fucking idiot!
Always convinced that they are actually thinking about the issues concerned. There is a famous example of this from back during the Vietnam War, where the college educated were the hawks. The truth is quite different - college turns you into someone suited to follow orders in a bureaucracy. The orders given were to be good little EU citizens and advocates of globalization.
Conditioning is very powerful.
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You mean cut it from 750 to 75 members?
As a German citizen, I am disgusted by the weak responses of the European leaders, they are absolutely pathetic:
"We are sorry to hear this, we respect their decision, blah blah blah"
The UK has enjoyed special priveledges in the EU, such as keeping the GBP, but even this was not enough, they want to leave. Well then, fuck them!
The EU needs to grow a pair of balls, and respond with strength. Permanently deny the UK access to European markets, immediately deport all British citizens and seize their European assets, and ban all Britons from entering the EU for any reason whatsoever. Teach these motherfuckers a lesson!
wtf
Rampant delusions of collectivism ensue.
>> vote has been undermined by poor results in the north of England.
Exactly this kind of shit is why I dont bother with the BBC as a credible news source any more.
Look, I get that exiting the EU hasn't been done before, so that's new. And it is contrary to the European integration trend which, at the largest geopolitical levels, has been a rousing success. No one wants to go back to the days of the great alliances that repeatedly resulted in devastating war. More than that, Europeans now feel like they really are more than national citizens. There is a feeling of being 'European' that has added to cultural life.
Having said all that, I doubt that Britain's exit from the EU will devastate the EU. Britain goes back to being a state on the outside. This is a condition all of Europe lived with for centuries; it's not exactly new from a state level relationships issue.
The thing I've noted is that despite all of the crises, slow bureaucracy, and challenges, the EU has survived. I really think it will survive this too. There's far more states looking to enter the EU than to leave it. The EU might even get some useful reforms out of the Brexit, a crisis to justify some new administrative rules and regimes. Didn't the PIGS crisis cause the ECB to finally step into the light, find it's spine and take some real responsibility? It did. And this could be the same.
As for the European wars and cultural divisiveness. Britain is connected by rail to the continent. And the motives for the Brexit are administrative, not cultural. The feeling of connection to Europe should continue as before. Whatever that means to any given Briton. There does not appear to be the seeds of a new generation of grand alliances here.
If you asked me for my preferences and comfort level, I'd be more happy with Britain in the EU. It's a known quantity and it feels right given the large scale success of the EU in getting countries to join. However Britain leaving, I suspect it will end up being a fairly minor event for the EU. Britain never joined the currency union for instance. Others have raised the internal dynamics of Scotland and Northern Ireland. I've no skin in that game so I'll stay out of those conversations. For now!
It's worked out great for me. I've made more money since Obama became president than I did when Bush ruled. You think your comment is snarky but only you conservatives ever wonder where the hope and change is. The rest of us who have working eyes are too busy reaping the rewards to piss and moan about the "scary black muslim" who is "ruining" this country.
"created visible, angry, unassimilated immigrant communities in their midst."
The discerning reader will observe that none of the problematic immigrant communities in the UK hail from Europe.
So I remain confused how stopping Catholic Poles from doing dirty jobs in England helps stop Pakistani women from wearing the hijab.
Unless, of course, Pakistan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Syria, have recently joined the EU.
Could you also comment how this strategy then failed in Zimbabwe?
The cold truth is the Greeks had been playing the devalue-default game for so long that NOONE would lend them money in Drachma and, only then, as interest rates and terms they couldn't afford.
They lied their way into the Euro so they could borrow in their local currency - the Euro.
pdf(*^):http://www.geocities.co.jp/WallStreet/7659/sjp/statements/sjp20160625.html
The United States & Kingdom of America
How about United Kingdom joins United States?
It seems that it is difficult that United Kingdom keep independence.
So, United Kingdom joins United States, then be the 51st state of the United States of America Instead of European Union.
The United States & Kingdom of America
How is it? > BRITONS
How about United Kingdom joins United States?
pdf(*^):http://www.geocities.co.jp/WallStreet/7659/sjp/statements/sjp20160625.html
Will BREXIT turn into "The Game of Rassilon", but played on a national level? [The Game of Rassilon: "To lose is to win and he who wins shall lose."]
Of course my view may be too pessimistic, so I end by quoting Doctor #7: "Time will tell. It always does."
Scotland seems sure to vote for independence. QEII is still the queen of the Kingdom of Scotland. That will royally complicate things (pun intended). Even if they keep her on as head of state, the notion of the Crown seems very fuzzy to me – what does she own/have rights to versus what does the UK government own/have rights to.
Also, will the lower half of the island just go by the name of England? That might piss off the Welsh since it ignores their Brythonic heritage. Would they try to secede? Could they? Poor little Charles would be prince of nothing.
Northern Ireland I’m not so sure about. I doubt they would try to unite with the Irish Republic – the “troubles” would flare back up in a heartbeat. Yet, staying with England (or would it be “Lesser Britain”) wouldn’t be very good for them. Would they decide to try to go it alone, too?
One thing is certain, though: now is a good time to be a lawyer in the U.K. You bastards are gonna get crazy rich.
Congratulations England! You're going to gain your sovereignty back. This is change that crazy radicals would have hailed 50 years ago. Now they don't like it because it's not their change. To be hip, this is it. Statism (all its forms, marxism, fascism, communisn... and so on), fails. It's failed everywhere it's ever tried. Once central government that doesn't give a rip about anyone but themselves. England's parliament was a law body in name only. All the decisions were really made in Brussels, by foreigners. Capitalism is the antidote to tyranny.
Down with socialism.
"The greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects; In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings."
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Casteism
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Casteism
It was a very English election:
Pride and Prejudice 52%,
Sense and Sensibility 48%
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