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Or download with an eDonkey2000 client (e.g. eMule): Mozilla Firefox 1.0

Or download with an eDonkey2000 client (e.g. eMule): Mozilla Firefox 1.0

Freenet's a cool idea, but it's too glacially slow. I've been considering setting up eMule-over-Tor at some point. I think it'd be reasonably fast (e.g. only 1/6 as fast as not-over-Tor) and still pretty much 100% secure. Especially once there's a lot of people using it.

As an added bonus, eMule-over-Tor could be added to eMule itself, and you could easily flag which files are "Tor only" and leave the base eMule protocols to handle all the other files.

http://www.emule-project.net/...

go to help -> FAQ -> credits (my browser is broken right now). they explain that the credit system ONLY applies to a user-user relationship - in other words, they are not global, they are local to user pairs. it's kind of strange, i think.

hope this helps!

Free software, sounds, movies, texts, etc. can be found on http://content.emule-project.net/

The only real technical problem is going through a router - if you have a "LowID" (basically, you're firewalled), you'll get miserable speed. However, Emule allows you to set its ports to whatever you wish, so you can have multiple clients, each with its own forwarded port on your router. BTW, you need to get started with a server: try Razorback 2 at 195.245.244.243:4661 ; it tends to have the most users and files (although it's possible to have sources across several servers, it's best to be connected to the biggest server for searching).

the eMule client (an open-source clone of edonkey, for windows) is an amazing piece of software. much better than the edonkey client, and and awesome program in its own right. and since it's open source, it's about as non-evil (no spyware or other intrusive shit) as they come. there aren't many windows-specific open source programs, and few approach this caliber.

for linux, the mldonkey client is a pretty nice daemon. i generally use kmldonkey as a gui for it. kmldonkey (a nice attempt to clone emule) crashes quite often, but since it is separate from the network core daemon, nothing is affected. just launch it again, and your transfers are still going.

good stuff. super slow network, though.

now, as far as speed, like many people have mentioned, it can be slow. I'm sure I'm over simplifying, but think of ed2k the same as BitTorrent, only instead of the queueing of bandwidth being for only one single file, it is for your entire list of files. It can take quite a long time to complete downloads, but knowing that you're going to get a nice, uncorrupted file makes it worthwhile.

eMule, the open source variant, contains many enhancements over the standard eDonkey client, and there are numerous mods in circulation. this can include Fakelist databases, ip to country checking, and the ability to tweak your bandwidth usage. there is also a web-based and mobile (cell phone) client built in so you can monitor your eMule from anywhere.

It should be noted that there is a Legal Content Database hosted by the project, containing links to freeware/shareware and public domain stuff.

now, as far as speed, like many people have mentioned, it can be slow. I'm sure I'm over simplifying, but think of ed2k the same as BitTorrent, only instead of the queueing of bandwidth being for only one single file, it is for your entire list of files. It can take quite a long time to complete downloads, but knowing that you're going to get a nice, uncorrupted file makes it worthwhile.

eMule, the open source variant, contains many enhancements over the standard eDonkey client, and there are numerous mods in circulation. this can include Fakelist databases, ip to country checking, and the ability to tweak your bandwidth usage. there is also a web-based and mobile (cell phone) client built in so you can monitor your eMule from anywhere.

It should be noted that there is a Legal Content Database hosted by the project, containing links to freeware/shareware and public domain stuff.

File sharing works as a backdoor viral type of advertising...

Uh huh ...

The naive ones will blindly use the adware-riddled crap. The rest of us will use the cleaned stuff...

eDonkey has had at least one positive result.

-prator

Here is another way to boycott them:

emule

get safe links here: shareconnector

I find it a little more time-consuming to actually get songs (more likely to be in a queue), but I've never had a corrupted file using eMule.

try emule i find it to be quite free of those corrupted songs.

"Hatch says such firms 'think that they can legally profit by inducing children to steal."

Thankfully I only use P2P programs that are GPL, and thus free as in beer, so little if any profit motivation there.

The best p2p applications are usually free / open source like eMule, Freenet, and how apparently even Shareza 2.0 is open sourced under the GPL.

Well, you coul use eMule instead of Kazaa - no spyware there :)

Here are links for the files in Overnet / Edonkey format:

Star Trek New Voyages Teaser.zip
Star Trek New Voyages act_1.zip
Star Trek New Voyages act_2.zip
Star Trek New Voyages act_3.zip
Star Trek New Voyages act_4.zip
Star Trek New Voyages Episode_Trailer.zip
Star Trek New Voyages Series_Trailer.zip

Someone post the Torrents pls!

Linux isn't really that much easier to download than Windows, if you Look in the right places :)

It is on EMule, along with CD 5.

StarROMs
alt.binaries.emulators.* Usenet groups
eMule

I'm sure there are many more.

I've been using I2Hub for a few months and the downloads aren't that fast, at least as someone who has been spoiled by the internet connection here at RPI. Downloads from a user at another college with i2Hub are usually in the range of 30-80 kb/s. For comparison, this is about the same speed that I get from a p2p app that let's you download from multiple sources, such as eMule. If someone I know off campus, such as a friend from home, downloads a file from me via AIM, they get speeds ranging from 150-200 kb/s. However, for ease of use and individual files, as well as a better community, I2Hub is pretty good.

Proxy is an idea, but I think its a stop gap solution.

eMule has put another network into itself, Kad, why don't they add Freenet or MUTE also? They could be some like Shareza (but better) with gnutella and bit torrent in it too.

Kazaa alone can be held responsible for almost half of those infections I think.

That is why you uninstall Kazaa and install an open source alternative that can go into the FreeTrack network, Gnutella, and Open FreeTrack (Open FT), the alternative being: Kceasy and their sourceforge website. The only trouble I see with this software is that the developer went from 0.9 to 0.10 to 0.11 :p.

Also get rid of eDonkey and get eMule here or from their sourceforge website.

I guess they're just stupid. Anybody can easily download music without DRM from file sharing networks. Often it's at higher bitrates and sometimes it's even in a lossless format like Mokey's Audio (APE). Furthermore I can't see how DRM can work because if you can decode it to play it then you can strip the DRM from it and distribute it. No, the software might not support that but cracking it can't be hard.

The only thing DRM really accomplishes is it annoys people who legally download music. Compare the amount of software and hardware that can play plain MP3 files with the amount that can play DRM formats. What about if you live in a country that they won't sell to? (Where's the logic there anyways?) What about if you want to move to another country and iTunes wants to delete all the music you purchased? (I remember reading about that on Slashdot.)

Simply watermarking music so the original purchaser can be tracked might be a nice un-intrusive way to protect music. However, with all the viruses and worms going around you'd probably find that some people have their music stolen through back doors and then they'd be liable for that.

I then spent a couple of evenings on the net trying to find it. I had several files called GTA3.zip, and contained within them was a hockey game, an offroad game, and.. well I didn't recognize the name of it.

Godsdammit man, my mother can operate P2P software better than you can!
Here, let me help you learn the error of your ways (choose a pair):
eMule and ShareReactor or BitTorrent and SuprNova.

You're probably trolling but anyways.
That's what I meant when I blamed /. for the lack of objectivity. :)

eDonkey2000 network is designed to do what BT does and then some more. The dominating ed2k network client is eMule, which is GPLed. Many (most?) other clients and servers are GPLed too, not sure about Overnet, but I think it too has open-source clients.

Rather than being a proof of inevitable P2P vs. OSS conflict, eDonkey2000 network is actually a proof that OSS P2P can work efficiently. There are a plethora of competing clients (which could sometimes have a tendency to favour their copies on the network), there have been (are?) a few leaching mods, but the network has survived and managed to resolve all these conflicts. So today the original eDonkey is irrelevant, the whole ed2k project has become a giant project based open-standards and both closed and open source products.

As for the speed, I hope you do realise that no P2P program (unless backed by a corporation, e.g. Steam) can provide QOS for every file. There are relatively rare files and they are difficult to get. But on BitTorrent you won't be able to get these files as all, because the .torrents would long ago be dead. If we are talking about hot recent files, like, say, soundtrack to ROTK a few weeks ago, they will be downloaded rather quickly.

Of course, not as quickly as your connection nominally allows you, but this is because eMule solution is better. There is eDonkeyHybrid, which has no queue and uploads files immediately to those asking for them. When I just start eMule, a large fraction of downloads would come from Hybrid, but after some time eMule clients will start contributing. But the majority of users selected eMule, not Hybrid, because they perceive it as a better experience overall. So the uploading model is based on queues and favours longer (permanent) connection times as well as rare files.

Yes, it is slightly different than BT, and BT might have certain small advantages, but there is simply no way to bend the fundamental P2P principle: Total Upload == Total Download. eMule sacrifices ultra-fast downloads of recent files to some extent, but in return we get a huge library of available files and finer control over sharing/downloading.

BTW, eMule works on any port and even when firewalled. Try it out.

P.S. It also surprises me when people here make the distinction between "legit BitTorrent" and all those "piracy P2P apps", as well as when all discussions of file-sharing are limited to KaZaA. Heck, eMule is as legit as BT is, it's only a tool for downloading and sharing files, and BT has just as much piracy going on.

A frontend to search for seeds and it forces you to, at the very least, share the file that you're currently downloading.

That's called eMule.

Later on, some jerks may remove it from their share directory so it won't upload anymore.

I can think of several ways to rationalize removing a big file from my eMule shared folder: 1. I'm running out of disk space and have already recorded the file I downloaded to a CD, or 2. I need the bandwidth in order to speed up the upload of another download that's running.

Don't forget edonkey and emule clients!

I'd like to see which software Mitch Bainwol has on his desktop: Shareaza, eMule, BitTorrent, or DC++.

...I found IRC. Of course now that many of the IRC operators have banned file xfers, it's a lot harder to find the things I liked (mostly recorded TV shows that I missed like Sliders, Enterprise, Voyager, etc...).

There are a bunch of things like this running software found here that you may be looking for!

Or you could try eMule which is free, open-source, and doesn't contain any adware or spyware.

Hrmm... if only such a thing existed and was compatable with another major client's network.

This would end up working about as well Kazaa's user rating (or whatever it was called) thing. It had been out for how many days before people started showing up with their points maxed out? And it is worth noting that the second and third most common file sharing tools, dc++ and emule are both open source, so that anybody who feels like removing the controls can do so, and recompile.

Peer to peer networks that control what people communicate are possible. As are ones that control who talks to whoom, that people really allow the uploads they purport to, etc etc. As is any software that acts against, rather than for, the person that is running it. We just need to get Palladium in place first. What are you waiting for Microsoft!!!

1. Install Emule
2. Map a couple of ports
   through your router
3. Visit FileDonkey or
   Musicdonkey
4. Search for your favorite band/album.
5. *Click*
6. It takes about a day on cable to get an album, but I usually queue up
   about 100 or so albums.

1. Install Emule
2. Map a couple of ports
   through your router
3. Visit FileDonkey or
   Musicdonkey
4. Search for your favorite band/album.
5. *Click*
6. It takes about a day on cable to get an album, but I usually queue up
   about 100 or so albums.

LimeWire (and other Gnutella clients)

Emule

Soulseek

Blubster

Elf

SuprNova (and other BitTorrent indicies)

Freenet

Earthstation 5

And many others, as well.

I guess we can all move on up to BitTorrent :D

BitTorrent is too centralized for this kind of things (large scale, anyway).

Instead, check out eMule and Soulseek.

I guess I need to move to something else now.....

You can already do that with the original Laser Disc versions, from the eDonkey network. (Use eMule if you're running Windows. xMule or lMule for Linux... paste under Direct Download.)

ed2k://|file|Star.Wars.4.-.A.New.Hope.(CD1).avi| 72 9692160|640583BCA0C48B8D7607601BD4D58C60|/
ed2k:/ /|file|Star.Wars.4.-.A.New.Hope.(CD2).avi|73 5551488|0EAF5C7E1068BA07F390302AE4C93EF8|/
ed2k:/ /|file|Star.Wars.5.-.The.Empire.Strikes.Back .(CD1).avi|726568960|CCFD1584C3580866AE2C00DC2005A B26|/
ed2k://|file|Star.Wars.5.-.The.Empire.Strik es.Back .(CD2).avi|736407552|560434B8E5ABACA704EAC4179F61E 640|/
ed2k://|file|Star.Wars.6.-.Return.Of.The.Je di.(CD1 ).avi|734101504|8C197E7C40F5FCD8780C884C13DF1F05|/
ed2k://|file|Star.Wars.6.-.Return.Of.The.Jedi.(C D2 ).avi|731854848|83E830324DA74E6CB3DFC60ABD7CFDDE|/
(Remove the spaces /. inserts!)

Han shoots first.

If you are really concerned about getting caught then just disable sharing. They are only sueing those who share massive amounts of music, not the ones who dowload it. Also, if you don't want to be a little basterd that doesn't share then check out eMule. From what I have read, it isn't being watched by the RIAA and it is very popular.

They have to plan for the future. When CDs came out could people rip them, encode to MP3 and share on P2P networks?

Nowdays you can find lossless rips (typically Monkey's Audio) on the edonkey2000 network. Entire (non-transcoded) DVDs are also being shared somewhere. I haven't seen this firsthand but I've seen people talking about it. It's only a matter of time before those DTV shows become easy to share. In fact smaller DTV (though not high-definition) rips are already being shared (mostly music videos).

I'm not defending the broadcast flag, and I'm sure it'll get hacked and the stuff will get shared anyways, but I can see why they're at least trying to do it.

If you use P2P software like eMule and a service like ShareReactor, you can download all your favorite TV series (well, actually, all of THEIR favorite series, but geeks tend to like a certain subset of TV shows) with no commercials and all ready for watching on your computer or burning to VCD for convenient watching on your DVD player.

This is especially appealing for those of us in Canada who can download legally and don't have TiVo available.

Not that I particularily like Steam from Valve Software yet, but it may be a decent beginning for something useful.
Anyway, when they rolled Steam out, their servers were immediately DOSed by CounterStrike players who were trying to upgrade. After having read the description on the Steam homepage I had assumed that Steam would be using a P2P scheme for content delivery. I geuss they didn't think of that. :(
In my opinion, their "content servers" should have provided an original copy and checksums, and the Steam client should have used the same mechanism it uses to find other players (essentially finds other Steam clients) to find Steam clients who have the required file already, and have not maxed out their outgoing bandwidth. The client should then add different sources until the download bandwidth maxes out or until there are no more sources. The original content servers should be the last resort to ensure minimal load.
Maybe Valve could look at eDonkey/eMule for an example implementation.
Just an instance where I believe P2P should have been used. (Hey, maybe if they are smart they will add this in a furure update...)

• The Bat! mail client (shareware)
• Opera browser/mail/newsclient (adware), much more lightweight than Mozilla
• 40tude Dialog newsclient
• Total Commander file manager (shareware)
• eMule peer-to-peer client (open source)
• ViM
• editor (open source)
• GhostScript and GSView for PostScript and PDF rendering/conversion/manipulation (open source)
• ActivePerl, ActivePython, ActiveTcl for scripting
• 7-zip packer

Power consumtion is simply not a problem for anything under the level of "major appliance", ie fridge, air cond, etc. Since my AC is off for the season (and my heat/stove is gas) my electric bills has dropped to around $30 a month, and that includes running 3 computers 24/7 with NO power management enabled. Of course my ClarkConnect firewall box rarely has a monitor attached to it, and my Video/Jukebox/eMule machine only has the monitor on for a few hours each day.

Jonah Hex

My advice -- use open source software for filesharing

e.g. emule

KaZaA Lite is the best to get MP3s, porn and popular software quickly.
eMule (eDonkey network) is the best to get movies, games and software reliably, as well as full albums, ebooks and porn.
What Gnutella is good for, I don't know.
Direct Connect ++ is best to get stuff if you have a very fast connection.
BitTorrent is best to get fresh movie, anime and other releases and some legit stuff like game demos.
FreeNet is not really usefull as of today.
IRC is good to get fresh movie and software releases quickly.
Usenet is good to get fresh stuff quickly if your ISP has a good newsserver or you are willing to subscribe to a paid one, but it's bad for hunting down specific stuff.

I can't, off the top of my head, think of an alternative anti-leech system that's neither centralized nor obscenely easy to poison with invalid data.

How about emule's system whereby each client keeps a persistent record of upload and download ratios for all other users it has dealings with and favors uploading to those that have the best history?

As always, I am surprised by a lack of recognition for eDonkey2000 at Slashdot. The ed2k is, I believe, technologically superior, it has better clients (and larger variety, and the leading ones are also open source). The system is also provides prolonged availablity much better.

In addition to this, ed2k is better protected from "anti-piracy" attacks. There is additional server layer, very resistant to servers being temporarily shut off and requiring (I believe) less traffic. A lot of negotiation is performed directly between clients - the Overnet model does not require servers at all. Finally, the actual links are in the form of short text links that can be e-mailed, printed and even spelled over the phone, not in the form of .bittorrent files that have to be hosted somewhere. This is also the reason why ed2k-link sites are more resistant to lawsuits.

P.S. This seems to me just one more case of an inferior technology receiving an unfair share of coverage. Like MS dominates the media, BitTorrent seems to dominate Slashdot...

I swear to god they fucking better include co-op LAN/online in the fucking PC version or I'm not even buying it..

like i would anyway