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Re:does this happen often?
It happens fairly often -- Ministry of Defence blocks TV show is from back in April, for example. The prefatory remarks to another crytome file, Enquiry: The Killing Years in Ireland, show the efforts they make to stop this kind of thing becoming known.
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Blondes are not dying out
An update on that recessive blond gene story here. Turns out that the British media ran with a false story. The media, not checking facts? Who would have imagined it?
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Re:What's the big deal?
Yes, this is "an invasion of privacy", but what is the big deal? Does eeryone think that they are so important that the government wants to spy on them? Gimme a break!
Well, one day you might be. Maybe you'll survive a rail disaster and make the mistake of trying to bring the negligent parties to justice? Then you'll see exactly how important the government thinks you are. -
Guardion report.
Over a few weeks The Guardian covered, in a series of supplements, the current state of privacy in the UK: Big Brother, it may answer some of the questions you have.
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Guardion report.
Over a few weeks The Guardian covered, in a series of supplements, the current state of privacy in the UK: Big Brother, it may answer some of the questions you have.
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Already happening in UKThe Guardian has a news clip on British police suppressing eco-diesel as a way of ensuring payment of fuel taxes.
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Re:no more gasoline
There has been a case recently in the UK of people running their Diesel cars off cooking oil thus saving 40p per litre. Police set up a 'frying squad' to sniff out cars which smelt like mobile chip shops, and local supermarkets rationed sales of cooking oil.
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Don't cross the memes
Crossing "talent search" and "big brother" shows seems to be popular in the UK (and elsewhere) right now - eg Fame Academy and Pop Rivals. Many people would agree with the sentiments expressed in this Guardian article though.
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ETA are just stubborn fanatics.Spain is right to ban anybody with links to the ETA. The IRA stopped when it became clear that a peace process and negotiations were possible. The basques have been granted an autonomous government (in 1979), with their own legislature. They live and participate fully in a normal western democracy, with full rights and freedoms. but the ETA is still planting bombs.
The ETA is still planting bombs all over Spain, in spite of the massive public demonstrations all over the country, and especially inside the Basque region itself which have said "Stop Bombing!" See CBS News, and The Guardian
They are still bombing in spite of being a party which is close to single digits in most polls, and in spite of the fact that the regional government is (peacefully) nationalist.
The ETA has more in common with Al Qaida than the IRA, where anyone who is not as violently radical is branded a traitor to the cause.
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Re:Spanish-accented, thick-mustachioed conga dancethis quote from that article puts this whole thing in perspective:
In January, the mayor of Rio threatened to sue a weather forecaster who predicted, wrongly, that there would be storms on New Year's Eve. The weather forecast kept crowds away from one of the biggest festivals of the year.
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Re:Spanish-accented, thick-mustachioed conga dance
Actually Brasil is suing fox for that certain episode of The Simpsons.
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Re:wow, great!
Actually Brasil is suing fox for that certain episode of The Simpsons.
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Re:It's sad. . .
Unlike Britain, news is not disseminated from one source.
The one source being Rupert Murdoch, owner of The Times, Sun, and Sky television?Oh, oh, it's a dig at the BBC by an ignoramous non-Brit who thinks that any country east of Boston is a dictatorship, especially if it happens to have a publically funded media company and the people there like something they call "socialism"!
Where did you read this nonsense? I'm guessing not the BBC website, nor ITN's, nor Sky's (the three major TV news sources.) Nor I suspect did you read it in The Guardian, The Torygraph, The Times or the Independent. Nor any of the tabloids, or the regional newspapers, or on independent local radio, or, or...
Yes, it's a flame, I'll post it as an AC so it doesn't bother anyone but you. But do try to keep your neanderthal You-Ess-Eh! prejudices to yourself in future. I've met many, many, bright yanks. One, indeed, came and spoke at the Labour Party conference the other day. Do try to live up to their standards, you let the side down with this kind of drivel.
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Al-Fayed/Hamilton
This is almost as good as the Mohammed Al-Fayed VS Neil Hamilton libel case we had here (.uk) a few years ago. General opinion seemed to be "Shame they can't both lose".
That time it was Al-Fayed, who had an interesting past (and the worst decorated shop in central London), even before accusing MI6 and the Royal family of murdering his son (which, oddly enough, cost Harrods one of their royal warrants), and being sued for libel by Neil Hamilton, after Al-Fayed claimed he took bribes to ask questions in Parliment.
Hamilton lost and had to pay a big settlement before going to prison. Al-Fayed won, but I don't think telling a court that he bribed MPs was particularly helpful in his endless quest for British citizenship
So no-one really won
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Where's The Slashdot Article On Bugbear?
You can read about Bugbear here:
Bugbear Virus
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Welcome to the United States of Amerika
United States starts racial profiling at airports:
by requiring visitors from Arab and Muslim countries to be fingerprinted. Given that there are Muslims who are residents of the U.S.A., the
next step is racial profiling of U.S. residents.
Ooops, we already do that!!
Read about Nazi Amerika here:
Racial Profiling At Airports
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SafeWeb:CIA funds cyber war against Beijing censor
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Re:Venter is smarter than that
I don't believe Venter's idea is to sequence someone's entire genome. I think Venter plans to sequences the sections of people's genomes that contain known genes.
You see, even though there are 4 billion base pairs, There are still only about 30,000 genes. Even at 1000bp per gene(which is a good average if you want to include exons and introns), that's still only about 30 million base pairs.
All they have to do is have the right set of primers on hand (which they already do because they sequenced the whole thing already). So Celera is in a unique position to do this without too much of a startup or operating cost.
Not only that, but they can use the genes from Venter's sequence as probes, enabling them to map most of the genes in each genome without having to do very much sequencing. The bases they would need to sequence can be restricted to where they differ from the known sequence.
Now, as Venter's own genome is the source of much of the Celera sequence, and the clients will be rich, expect them to be mostly white males whose sequence will be a lot like his (so not much difference to sequence).
Mind you, I wouldn't expect this self-selecting group of clients to produce any decent statistics about gene proportions in the general population, only in the rich population... but perhaps that's all they're concerned about. The Celera science board may not be too pleased, however, as they're already not happy about the effect that including Venter's DNA in their sequence has had on the supposedly general sequence map. -
Venter's DNA
Craig's company Celera was mapping a suposedly anonymous genome, but then craig admitted it was his dna. As a Celera shareholder, I wonder if that qualifies as a $600k perk that he got.
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Re:Hey, I'd pay you for that insight...
Sorry, but you are wrong - the concorde accident was caused by a ruptured fuel tank, this article quotes the final report by the french aviation authorities - you can find many more similar quotes on google. I tried to find a transcript of the actual report in english but failed.
Somehow you think that if people had guns onboard that it'd be a free for all, people shooting all over the place, gun slingers having target practice all over the place. To justify this, you have claimed the "decompression" line
No, to justify this I have looked at the only western society where guns are regularly and essentially freely carried, the US, and it's astronomical rate of shooting "incidents".
You neatly sidestepped my question by asking your own, which neatly misses the point entirely. Why do YOU need a gun on a plane if no one else has one? The 9/11 hijackers DID NOT HAVE GUNS, they only had knives. You don't need a gun to defend against a knife - you only need a couple of willing people. If you allow guns onto a plane then suddenly everyone needs them. Suddenly the only people who can sleep easy are those who are "armed, trained, and proactively protecting your life". I am not that (trained or armed), I don't want to be that, and I refuse to sink to that level. I don't want to have to be sitting there with an itchy trigger finger all night waiting for all hell to break loose. I have a right to be safe - and the best way to stay safe is to stay away from weapons.
You need to get over your collective (national) paranoia, get rid of the fsking guns and give your children a chance to grow up in a safe country. The world is not out to get you, you do not have to carry a small arsenal in your pocket to defend yourself. I have never carried a gun, no one I know has ever carried a gun, hell I have only rarely SEEN a gun - and yet do I get murdered in my bed on a regular basis? No. Do I get carjacked as I drive the streets? No. Do I feel in anyway unsafe due to my lack of firepower? No. Am I glad I live in a country where people just don't have guns? Damn straight.
** EOF **
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Christopher Reeve
I think he summed this up very well when he said
"We've had a severe violation of the separation of church and state in the handling of what to do about this emerging technology,"
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"There are religious groups - the Jehovah's Witnesses, I believe - who think it's a sin to have a blood transfusion. Well, what if the president for some reason decided to listen to them, instead of to the Catholics, which is the group he really listens to in making his decisions about embryonic stem cell research?" Reeve says. "Where would we be with blood transfusions?"
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Re:Just dont buy one..quite a bit.
Wi-Lan isn't Wi-Fi (802.11b)- wi-lan is W-OFDM, wireless t1/e1- and they have a great technology for the reception of HDTV so that you don't get the silly black blocks that disrupt signal,-- but instead, the FCC chose to back 8-VSB, an inferior technology.
The greater question is, why is the FCC deciding this? They didn't decide which cell phone technology was going to reign, only which frequencies we'd use.
Sources? http://www.wi-lan.com
commentary: If we were to follow the 'lead' from the ATSC then this is what the future would look like. The Americans are still in denial about the Brazilian (and other) DTT test results (denying the basic facts that a single carrier system can never work for wireless DTT) and have carried out their own tests arriving at their own conclusions using incorrectly configured DVB-T equipment. The sooner the US drops its single carrier 8-VSB based standard in favour of an OFDM solution the better for all concerned. A report summarising why DTV is not happening in the US (example of flawed thinking: DTV does not necessarily mean HDTV). Unfortunately, DVB and ISDB have (so far) been unable to agree on a common OFDM way forward even though both standards are nearly exactly the same (ISDB improved the DVB-T standard with the addition of extra time interleaving, band segmentation and the option for 4k carriers). However, due to the wide acceptance of DVB-T and its myriad other supporting standards it is unlikely that ISDB compliant equipment will ever be deployed outside of Japan.
Take-up of Digital TV in the UK has been the most successful in the world in percentage terms (the US is not far behind); but can it continue to grow at the same pace? ITVdigital, the DTT service provider in the UK, launched with an early (2k carrier) release of DVB-T and had been reasonably successful (although I am sure some would disagree?) with over 1.2 million subscribers up to the end of 2001. Unfortunately, due to a combination of factors ITVdigital are in danger of closing down and are currently in administration. The BBC in their annual R&D review for 2000-2001 (Digital Television Distribution section) list some of the issues associated with DTT in the UK and give an interesting insight into how improvements can be achieved. Thanks to the wealth of experience gained in the UK other European DTT service providers will be able to provide a more advanced and improved service to their customers. Get the insider views on the UK DTT experience from the following newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv;
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Re:700 million on a boat race....
I'm not an Ellison fan by any means but I doubt he'd have to pull those stunts to raise the funds for his effort. Last year alone he made $700 million in cash exercising his options. In case you though he blew it all on a sail boat he still has $400 million worth of options that are in the money, even at the deflated stock price. Oh yeah, and that $700 million only represented about 2% of his Oracle holdings at the time.
If Oracle corporation is financially involved in this boat at all it's probably by buying sponsorship like any other corporation. Of course that eases the burden on Larry's pocketbook a bit, but in accouting terms since sponsorship is advertising and advertising is supposed to result in increased revenue in the future. So at least in that sense you can argue that he isn't pulling money out of his employee's paychecks to fund this effort.
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Zed had this back in 2001
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Superman thinks this is bad
In a very timely interview Christopher Reeves blames a breakdown in the separation between church and state, namely Bushes dependence and appreciation of right wing Christian groups, for him still being paralysed
"We've had a severe violation of the separation of church and state in the handling of what to do about this emerging technology. Imagine if developing a polio vaccine had been a controversial issue," he says. "There are religious groups - the Jehovah's Witnesses, I believe - who think it's a sin to have a blood transfusion. What if the president for some reason decided to listen to them, instead of to the Catholics, which is the group he really listens to in making his decisions about embryonic stem cell research? Where would we be with blood transfusions?"
Whether it's right for the separation of the church from deciding what's right and wrong in science experiments could be argued till the cows come home. What's not arguable is that any intrusion of politics into scientific debate won't be to the benefit of some special interest group.
A third committee, which had been assessing the effects of environmental chemicals on human health, has been told that nearly all of its members will be replaced -- in several instances by people with links to the industries that make those chemicals. One new member is a California scientist who helped defend Pacific Gas and Electric Co. against the real-life Erin Brockovich.
Ugh, can you imagine that scientist being totally objective ? At the moment US politics is completely dominated by companies trying to screw as much as they can out of the world. Putting them in charge of any advisory committees that help determine federal policy is going to be good for business and terrible for the US public. -
Guardian Interview with Christopher Reeve
Interestly enough, there is a Guardian inteview with Christoper Reeve in todays issue in which he makes a number of passionate and obviously, very personal, points about stem cell research and the need for separation between Church and State. The interview can be read here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,2763,793 585,00.html
One of many excellent quotes is,
"We've had a severe violation of the separation of church and state in the handling of what to do about this emerging technology. Imagine if developing a polio vaccine had been a controversial issue," he says. "There are religious groups - the Jehovah's Witnesses, I believe - who think it's a sin to have a blood transfusion. What if the president for some reason decided to listen to them, instead of to the Catholics, which is the group he really listens to in making his decisions about embryonic stem cell research? Where would we be with blood transfusions?"
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Re:Is this intended to be free-to-all when done?Does anyone who reads Slashdot ever read the GPL, or is there something I'm not getting here? Surely just because it's covered by the GPL, it doesn't mean it'll have to be available to users outside the German government.
They only need to make the source available if they distribute the binary. If it was kept for internal use, they wouldn't have to make anything available to anyone.
But there's really no downside for them to allow distribution of their custom code, as long as someone else pays for the bandwidth. In fact, the wider testing/scrutiny of the code would be a plus.
Can you imagine if all governments started doing things like this? The rate of useful development for open source software would skyrocket. Not only would it let more coders work on projects full time, but maybe a tighter focus and clear specs would improve the usability of the resulting software. And even if, say, the Ruritanian government's groupware project failed, the successful Armenian groupware project would step up to fill the gap.
It amazes me that, in my country, individual local councils hire incompetent companies to screw up important services like benefit distribution when they should be clubbing together to develop a GPL'd local government suite. Sure, you wouldn't get widespread use of such software by a big pool of users, but it still makes sense to have 50 councils funding something they can all use rather than each one getting a bespoke solution. I suppose they each have different legacy tardware, but even so...
<Sigh.> What was my point again?
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Wow, this is something new :)Web users surprised as Google goes back online
China's ban on Google Web search engine lifted
Chinese government backs down on Google
China ends Google block
China lifts Google restrictions
Wall comes down around Google in China
Google back online in China
...this might be 4.2% of the stories :)Anyway, I assume they lifted the ban just until they have had time to develop the system so that it is a bit harder to go around it. We might see the blockings again within a few weeks.
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Re:A few points
... he's more than welcome to _TRY_...
That is funny.
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The Moon Landing was a Fake...
Will the stolen moon rock madness ever end?
In a related note, did anyone else see the story about Buzz Aldrin punching that flat-earther in the nose? Oh, sorry, my mistake. He wasn't a flat-earther, he was one of those nuts who say that the Moon landing was faked. Seems this clown approached Buzz in public and asked him to swear on a Bible that he walked on the moon. Buzz put up with him briefly, then popped in the snout.
The Moon landing was a fake? No, actually it was a feint and a jab! Hey, Buzz, smack him once for me, would you?
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let's hope the US fare better than ...
mmh well, if US gets tied in a land war in middle east, i hope it won't go as this for the sake of your soldiers..
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Whoose hand is on the Switch?Oliver Burkeman writes in Thursday's Guardian:
what was a search engine doing conducting international diplomacy in the first place?
And how, exactly, did a Californian firm founded by a couple of Stanford university dropouts, using old doors for office furniture, wind up striking panic into the core of an authoritarian world power?
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Ecstasy not dangerous, say scientists
Three leading psychologists have provoked an outcry by claiming that the dance drug ecstasy may not be dangerous and that some of its ill-effects may be imaginary.
The drug has been blamed for causing deaths and permanent brain damage, but the psychologists are strongly critical of animal and human studies into its effects, claiming that they are misleading and overestimate the harm ecstasy - scientifically known as MDMA - can cause.
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Great post, but Kirsanow quote is out of context.
Kirsanow, who was appointed by Bush and finally took his seat in May after a heated legal fight with the commission chairwoman, said if there was another attack by Arabs on U.S. soil, ``not too many people will be crying in their beer if there are more detentions, more stops and more profiling.''
``There will be a groundswell of public opinion to banish civil rights,'' Kirsanow added. ``So the best thing we can do to preserve them is by keeping the country safe.''
Source
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Re: prison populationParent's refering to a study by the Justice Policy Institute that's been in the news . You're right that traditionally college age is a narrower demographic than doing hard time age, but you're missing the forest for the trees here. The thing is incarcerating young black men has become all the rage in America:
The study shows a five-fold increase in the number of incarcerated black men over the past 20 years. In 1980, 143,000 were in jail and 463,700 in higher education.
This is the wrong way to go. It's ugly and unproductive. Are shockwave animations reaching the right audience to change this? Are they politically useful, or are they just draining off the energies of mildly dissatisfied members of the white middle class? Those are fair questions. -
Re:Sleeping Pills - Definition of addiction?
Are withdrawal symptoms an indication of "addiction"? I've just found "Antidepressant Seroxat tops table of drug withdrawal symptoms". The piece also says "In the top six, five of the drugs said to be causing withdrawal problems are SSRIs..."
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Meteorite hits the Pope (w/pic!)
This article reminded me of this, also photographed from this angle too.
To be honest, I'm surprised no one has already posted links to pics of this already!
..it simply needs to be shared!Of course, it's not real!
..it's a wax-work. It was shown at an exhibition at the Royal Academy entitled 'Apocalypse' - but it has also been shown at other exhibitions, elsewhere in the world. Here's what The Guardian said about it:-Maurizio Catellan's Pope has celluloid forebears, too, in this case the face-down prelate in Un chien Andalou, burdened with a piano containing a donkey's corpse. But the prostration of John Paul II is hardly so savage or surreal. The fake meteorite that has supposedly plunged through the ceiling - a hole has been engineered in the skylight - rests upon a waxwork with its vestments still in perfect order. The Pope has his eyes closed and frowns as if in prayer. He is down, but not out; indeed, he looks a sight more robust than the pontiff himself. Catellan has a genuine gift for tragi-comedy, but his latest piece makes no headway in either direction. It feels like a punchline without the joke. You can't get close to the Pope - he's yards away behind the barrier ropes. Crowds strain to see what's going on through the scrummage of shoulders. It's a tactical measure, consistent with the governing principle of this show, which is that you should always be aware that you're having the Apocalypse Experience.
You can read another article on this here (2nd article from bottom of page) although it looks to be a variation on the same theme.
Enjoy! (Sorry about the lack of bigger/better pictures)
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Re:Voyager makes me wonder
The space station is the biggest waste of money ever in the history of *ANY* space program.
Yes, we're living in space, but so what. The Russians lived there for years on MIR.
The scientists are supposed to be doing science, but all they are doing right now is maintenance. Over 75% of their time is spent doing maintenance of the space station.
What are we acheiving here? At least with the Apollo program we got to go to the moon and developed TANG.
A great opinion piece on this states, "This latest project is the international equivalent of a timeshare apartment. Sixteen countries have been conned into paying their bit towards a half-built orbiting holiday home." Amen. -
A legistlative and policy issue.
This issue has come up on slashdot and other places. Here's an earlier article on the same topic in the Guardian The Silicon Valley Toxics coalition has extensive information about the problem. Some congresspeople are also attempting to deal with it. What it comes down to is that old computers are just like other environmental hazzards: the actual cost of goods we buy does not reflect their environmental impact. Gas is cheap these days so it's inexpesnive to drive around in gass guzzling SUVs. But the price of the gas does not reflect the environmental impact of the emissions. Here too, the price of a new computer does not reflect the cost of disposing of it in a safe way. Eventually this will change and there will be an extra $20 charge for computers and similar electronic items that will cover the cost to the government of disposing of the waste when it reaches end of life.
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Re:This is what it all comes to
Bush seems to think that Americans should be immune from other countries' laws. Of course, it's a rather American-centric point of view.
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Re:Isn't it odd...
Wow, I can be a grammar nazi and most something meaningful in the same post. If you check The Guardian Style Guide you'll notice that the correct capitalization is "World Series" becuase it was originally sponsored by the New York World (a newspaper).
Quoth the style guide:
"World Series
(baseball) got its name from the New York World, the newspaper that originally sponsored it; so to use it as an example of American arrogance is as inaccurate as it is tedious"
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Re:Have you not seen the picturesYes, thanks to Mr. Gates you've been charged way too much for your software for the last 25 years so that he can donate to charity for you and then he's the hero, while you're just a whiner. BTW, get it straight. He did not donate $24 billion to anything. $24 billion is the total endowment of the Foundation. That's money the Foundation keeps in investments, using the interest to pay directors, staff, pay for programs and make grants/donations. Furthermore, Bill's net worth is only around $30 billion, so I doubt he just gave away 80% of his net worth.
According to this Guardian article Gates is also on record investing large portions of that money into multinational pharmaceutical corporations... and Gates supports there so-called "intellectual property" rights to the medicines they develop (and which "rights" are the drivers behind their double-digit profits, and the primary reason vaccinations aren't already more widely available in places like Africa).
So i tell you what, I'll set up a similar endowment for charity (split 50/50 between Free Software and medical/social causes) using my own money-- and I'll do it in proportion to what Gates has contributed (personally, money funneled from MS into the Foundation doesn't count). I expect I'll have to keep the endowment in a private account though (since I hardly want to spend the entire endowment principal on lawyers fees setting up the endowment), which erases the enormous tax/legal benefits that someone like Gates gets from these activities.
So for those of you still paying attention. If I set up a private endowment of $1000 (assumes 5% return on either EE Bonds or bank CDS, since equity or bond investment accounts would have fees and transaction costs that would wipe out gains), I can probably donate $50 a year to charity. But I've done much, much better than that already this year without an endowment.
Please get back to me with Bill Gates average annual income (net, after tax) for the last five years, his donations history over that same period, and I'll detail the results of my own charitable program on my web site, proving that us little guys giving small amounts are actually doing more than rich leeches like Bill Gates.
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ozone for cavity repair/protection
Why go for the physical option. It looks like ozone is the magic anti-oxidant for teeth capable of repairing damage and protecting.
Guardian UK No more fillings?
It's one of life's horrors. But a controversial new treatment could soon make the dentist's drill a thing of the past. Leo Hickman reports -
ozone dentistry...
The Guardian (UK) had an article yesterday about using ozone to treat tooth decay - 40 second treatment, zero pain... sounds like my kind of dentistry!!
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Spin doctoring
Maybe the American press are skirting the issue - but the British press certainly aren't: try
The Guardian ("fraud" appears 5 times) and The Times which even uses the word "scam".
Zack
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If You Take Drugs, You Are A Terrorist +1, Fun
More drivel from the Babbler-In-Chief:
Drug Users Are Terrorists
The US government is stepping up its attempt
to link the war on drugs and the war on terrorism.
Its office of national drug control policy
is running advertisements which tell
Americans that by buying drugs they may be
financing terrorists - whether
you're shooting heroin, snorting
cocaine, taking Ecstasy or sharing
a joint in your friend's back yard.
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Science or economics?
The European Union has rejected genetically engineered food based not on any reliable scientific studies but on public and political pressure from small special interest groups.
Yes, and they are right to do so. Perhaps this has become an unfamiliar concept in the US, but by and large democratic governments are supposed to listen to their citizens. A large majority of EU citizens do not want genetically modified food, and there is no economic reason to do so - the EU already produces far more of most foods than it requires to feed itself. So much so that in fact the EU spends a lot of money paying farmers NOT to grow certain crops - because some countries within the EU are more efficient than others, and having massive surplus generated by these countries would kill agriculture in some of the less-efficient EU countries. Using GM crops to increase yield would only exascerbate this problem. Perhaps you think this is a stupid idea and that the free market should sort it out, but most Europeans would disagree - national identity is a key issue within the EU, and part of that national identity in most countries is being able to feed your own population. In addition, since most of the GM crops developed so far are US in origin, use of GM crops widely would change the balance of trade negatively. Instead of the seed company->farmer relationship being entirely intra-EU trade, it changes to a drain of money from the EU to the US. So both the EU agriculture and financial bigwigs are against it, because it would cost them more money.
Because of this slightly funny way agriculture works within the EU, gains in yield from GM foods would be unsellable, and since the GM seed is more expensive, and is a recurring expense due to the inability to use saved seed, GM crops actually end up in less profit for the EU farmer, who is on average quite poor anyway. So the farmers are against it too.
There is also the cross-pollination problem, as illustrated by the Canadian farmer that some other have written about, who suffered exactly this problem. Once GM crops are established in an area, it becomes impossible for non-GM crops of the same species to grow in that area without becoming 'infected' by the genes of the GM crop. The GM seed producer can then clamp down using patent laws and extract money from farmers who weren't even growing the GM crop in the first place - because patented genes from the GM crop end up in the genome of non-GM crops. It could become an effective non-governmental 'tax' on all EU farmers, and worse, chances are it wouldn't even be collected by an EU company but rather a US one.
The fact that most EU consumers would rather die than eat genetically modified food is helpful to EU farmers and ministers in banning widespread use of GM crops and keeping the ban in place, but it's not the key issue here.
It isn't that the EU is behind in genetic research and is playing Not Invented Here - after all, 1/3 of the human genome project was done in the UK, not to mention that the structure of DNA was discovered there too. The EU could develop its own GM crops, which would sidestep some of the issues but not most, and indeed it is and has. But still the ban on commercial GM agriculture remains, so these crops remain research tools, and have met with fierce opposition wherever they have been test-planted.
Has there been ANY reliable scientific study relating ANY harmful effects to bio-engineered food?
As far as I'm aware, no, not directly. However, research in this area is still young, and more importantly, mostly corporate-funded. It's the same kind of situation as with the pharmaceutical industry - we ingest these substances, so we'd better make damn sure they're safe, yet most of the research is funded by the companies that want approval. I shouldn't have to remind you that the pharmaceutical industry managed to get things like thalidomide on the market, and no-one had any credible evidence (that hadn't been suppressed) against that for several years after it was available on the market.
It was interesting to read that somehow two extra genetic fragments that shouldn't have been in the genome of the Monsanto GM soybeans ended up there. Are we really sure we know all the knock-on effects? What else was missed? What if those genetic fragments had coded for a protein that switched off one of the human body's immune responses to cancer, or were themselves carcinogenic? Unlikely perhaps, but it took 3 years after commercial growing of these crops had started for the discovery to be made. Are you willing to take the risk, just so some company you've never worked for, never met anyone from, never bought anything from and which could well not even be in your own country or continent can make a few extra dollars for their shareholders?
Perhaps the general mistrust in the EU of genetic modification is due to other food safety scares like BSE, caused by considerably less obvious tinkering than with genetic modification, but with the same aim - increasing efficiency and yield. The US hasn't had to deal with a food scare of similar scale, which is perhaps why the US public are so dismissive of the dangers. From an EU perspective, it seems the US consumer simply doesn't care what they eat, as long as it's cheap. The widespread use in the US of growth hormone to fatten livestock is another example of this, but this too is banned in the EU and repugnant to EU consumers.
There are indirect environmental reasons to dislike some GM crops too. As an example, take Monsanto's GM soybeans, which are resistant to the Monsanto weedkiller Roundup (glyphosate). Here is a product that is designed to encourage use of Roundup and to allow farmers to spray willy-nilly without worrying about the effects it will have on their crop. If this doesn't mean farmers end up using more weedkiller than they would have done with a non-resistant crop, I'll eat my hat. The farmers are supposed to do this - it maximizes their yield. Goundwater contamination beckons...
As an EU citizen, I am very glad that the EU has rejected genetically modified food, and I am glad that Zimbabwe has taken the same viewpoint, whatever I may think of their political leadership. GM foods are being used as a tool of economic imperialism, encourage environmental bad practice, encourage patent system abuse, are insufficiently tested and understood and simply aren't necessary. Chalk up another one on the US image problem score board.
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Well, I got modded as a troll for the above (I really SHOULD have referenced that, I admit) but the analysis of Tommy's marketing techniques comes from Naomi Klein's No Logo. I highly recommend it.
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