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It should work because its tri-band (1900 Mhz was listed)...

Anyone else notice that this Nokia 3650 looks a like like a Palm M130.

Get the color schemes right and the two could match...

Kinda like my '00 era Nokia 8890 and my Palm V.

Posting as AC 'cause I just moderated somebody.

Palm Digital Media uses a wraparound for their Palm ebooks. I believe the idea is that the purchaser's credit card # is wrapped around the book itself, and serves as a kind of watermark.

Of course, there is a program out there on IRC/newsgroups by the name of "pdbshred," but as Palm is the #1 seller of ebooks currently (Fictionwise.com has momentum...), it can be called a partial success at least.

Of course, a truly persistent person or corporation can find a way to tap into any technology, given time and money.

email marketing. It works, and developers really appreciate the convenience of receiving email marketing.

Back in 1996, my first publically-released program for the Apple Newton was a little demo app called "Time Domain Grey" that could display greyscale pictures on a Newton with a black-and-white screen. The Newton had a 2-color display, but if you launched my program you could see a picture using 5 clean greyscale shades. The shades used were:

(1) 0% black aka "white"
(2) 25% black
(3) 50% black
(4) 75% black
(5) 100% black

My composite picture was composed of four carefully-dithered-to-black-and-white images which my program cycled though at high speed. A 25% black pixel would be set in only one of the four frames; a 50% black pixel would be set in two of them, and so on. Since the screen had a pretty slow decay rate, the illusion worked.

Had I provided an API, I could have let application writers display arbitrary 5-color images on a 2-bit display. Or on a device with a faster refresh ability (but still a slow decay rate) I could have used ten frames or twenty or a hundred to display any arbitrary number of shades on that 2-color display.

Palm claims to be using a similar method to multiply the available shades on the m130. They cite "frame-rate control and dithering techniques", which is exactly what I used. You start with a high-res image, dither it into several frames that individually fit in the color space of your underlying hardware, cycle through those frames at an appropriate rate, and you've got a hi-res video mode with a composite color space that exceeds the single-frame color space.

In conclusion: The fact that the hardware has a 12-bit display is simply not sufficient to establish that they can't show their advertised 58,621 color combinations or more, so we should probably stop jumping to conclusions about it.

I've been using linux for approximately 3 years now, and I still can't find a reason why I want linux on my pda past the "cool" factor which really translates to "geek" factor in this case. I have a palm m505 which I can do just about anything on, including playing short video clips (Impressive considering how much slower these processors are compared to that of the PocketPC PDAs. Of course, those of us in the "know" can't wait for the next Palm to come out its going to totally rock the scale for multimedia ;) Linux is good for servers folks, it makes an Ok desktop, and I can't see how it would be all that useful on a PDA!

I agree, geewhiz tech gizmos suck, especially if they don't show up. Here's the kicker though: most of the stuff that Steve Jobs showed off exists! It's called iSync (to be released later around 10.2), combined with the features of 10.2 and bluetooth. You can buy a DLink DWB-120M USB Adapter to get the bluetooth connectivity. You can buy the Palm Bluetooh SD Card to get your palm working. You can buy a Sony Ericsson T68 phone to get the actual phone part of it working. They even have a MacWorld link embellishing both Apple and Sony on bluetooth. For Apple, this Bluetooth stuff is demonstratable *and* purchaseable.

Anyways, after a searching the internet in vane for an OSX calendar/scheduling program, I came up empty handed.

Did you buy and exchange your Palm at the same store? It may be that the defective units were from the same batch.

If you (or anyone else) has any further details please let me know. I'd be interested to read more.

Did you buy and exchange your Palm at the same store? It may be that the defective units were from the same batch.

If you (or anyone else) has any further details please let me know. I'd be interested to read more.

Palm.com refurbished store.

Oddly enough, I have never had a problem with a refurbished Palm device (even the ultra-old 3Com Pilot I bought long ago worked like a charm until I ditched it voluntarily). I know it seems counterintuitive, but maybe the best bet now is to go with something that has already broken once in the past (and has now been fixed and extensively retested by Palm). Plus, the refurbished devices can be half as expensive.

At the moment only the m500, m505, and Vx are available in the refurbished section, but sometimes older (and even cheaper) equipment pops up.

Don't forget the keyboard attachment with that Palm III - taking notes with Graffiti is never going to be practical. Plus, the Palm kbds fold up in a really cool way...

BSD is great!

There are so many to choose from!

People type with their thumbs on Blackberrys. I use my thumbs to type on a Palm i705 with mini-keyboard. I suppose with such a small laptop Sony thinks people will do the same thing.

And Slashdot back in late March mentioned a recent study that showed that "'...the use of gadgets such as mobile phones and GameBoys has caused a physical mutation in young people's hands. The use of the thumb is a deviation from the use of the index finger...'"

People type with their thumbs on Blackberrys. I use my thumbs to type on a Palm i705 with mini-keyboard. I suppose with such a small laptop Sony thinks people will do the same thing.

And Slashdot back in late March mentioned a recent study that showed that "'...the use of gadgets such as mobile phones and GameBoys has caused a physical mutation in young people's hands. The use of the thumb is a deviation from the use of the index finger...'"

The Mac palm sync tool is written by Palm themselves, and can be found here at palm.com . It's a new vesion that supports OSX.

Microsoft do however apear to be writing the entourage conduit themselves according to KnowledgeBase Article Q311587.

Could the article mean PocketPCs instead? Is there an ActiveSync for Mac?

This means that new versions of Office, IE, ODBC, and Palm synchronization will be made available for Mac OS X.

Since when was Palm a Microsoft application?

-- iCEBaLM

I didn't know Microsoft had any control over that? I though it was these guys.

Here with a link to sales info outside the US here.

Here with a link to sales info outside the US here.

many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.

So that's why my m515 is always wiggin' out on me!

And my parents said that I was born in Jersey!

Instead of going for a massively small system why doesn't anyone embrase the PADD style of an A4 sized unit of approx Palm thickness. Am I alone in wondering why if the 'communicator' did influence modert mobile phone design, why they can't allow for some design influence in portable computing devices?

That way you can have a reasonable screen and a larger interface area?

I agree, one of the reasons I shoot my girlfriend don when she tries to plug the "accompli" is the lack of palm OS (Full sized screen too). I might as well get a Palm 705 (449$). That seams a better deal for me, but the all time killer: The Handspring Treo! If I put these two up for the battle against eachother, I can't see why I would want this Accompli thing. After all the accompli is 649$! (Without service plan). I'm kinda hooked on this service plan here for the Treo, too bad I have to wait a bit for it to be available in Canada (A week or few?).

I find it interesting how the major cell phone manufacturers don't seem to be shy about creating their own proprietary PIM software on each different model phone they produce. I prefer the Treo for its use of PalmOS, which has the market share today - I like the idea of being able to have some of my favorite apps on the device as well. Whereas, something like this, you better like what they put on 'cause you ain't gettin' no different.

as a developer myself, i spent a bit of time messing around with protection schemes for applications i wrote for the Palm OS platform. i wrote a paper on it, which was made available at PalmSource 2000 and is available here. i enjoyed understanding the inner workings of how they did it - so, i documented it. however, i knew that there was no beating them - the question remained.. how long would it take for them to crack it? does it give me some selling breathing space? (more time = more sales) :P

Perhaps you're referring to the i705, which uses Secure Digital cards (as have all other expandable Palms since the V). It's the SONY Clié that uses Memory Sticks.

Perhaps you're referring to the i705, which uses Secure Digital cards (as have all other expandable Palms since the V). It's the SONY Clié that uses Memory Sticks.

"Email is end-to-end secured in triple des. base 64 encryption."

Hmm. Both tripple "des", and base 64 on one "top notch security" product.

Thank god it's nothing like 64bit Tripple DES.

imagine the Treo with 3G

why when I can have this

As Palm says here:

"Email is end-to-end secured in triple des. base 64 encryption."

I assume "triple des." means "triple DES," which is fine, but who at Palm believes that base-64 encoding is a form of encryption?

Click here for the palm.net rates.

Sony, where is the POSE source code for the "PEG-T600C/T400/T415" series version of POSE? You have two new models of Clie devices on the horizon, and I'm sure that developers would like to begin supporting them, further increasing your sales margins. You have a Windows binary of POSE available that supports these models, you are legally bound to provide the source code which generated these binaries.

Here's a quote from your PalmOS® developer page:

The source code will be available with the final version.

Sony, listen closely.. you really need to make yourself aware of the GPL before you blindly violate it like this. If you come back with the excuse that you are "cleaning up the code", you are still in violation. "Cleaned up" code will produce a different binary. You are bound, by the GPL, with releasing the source code which generates any binary you create and distribute from that source code, Windows, Unix, or Macintosh.

I will be in attendance at Palmsource in a few weeks, and I hope you will be as well, because I intend to fully bring this to the attention of yourself, and everyone else there. I have been quiet about this issue, but believe me, I am not backing down.

I have reluctantly added support to pilot-link for the Sony devices, most of which are randomly designed in nature, so that you can see increased sales due to the non-Windows users purchasing your hardware. How about giving back to the community that has been supporting your bottom line for the last two years, instead of raping and stealing from it?

I see only one way that you can claim that you are allowed to proceed with this violation, and that would be if the original copyright holder of xcopilot relicensed or sold the copyright to that code to Palm and then they in turn relicensed it to you. I do not see that being the case, since all previous versions of POSE that you have made available have been based on publically available GPL versions of the codebase. From your own site:

This is the same software level as Palm OS® Emulator 3.0a8 (PEG-S and PEG-N Series) and Palm OS® Emulator 3.2 (PEG-T415), distributed by Palm,Inc.

I anxiously await your public response to this matter.

There is palminfocenter.com for Palm rumors, but I haven't noticed anything about this teaser campaign there.

Someone else in this thread point out that the palm site has a "Shhh" link on their frontpage. Which is kind of funny, because when you click it, it has not just a add me to mailing list link but a set of "Spread the news." blanks, to enter your friends' email and first names. So they're not being as secretive about it as their e-mail teaser tried to imply.

In the first week in February, Palm is having it's annual developer's conference called PalmSource in San Jose. This year it looks like they are going to be releasing details about the new PalmOS v5.0 which is the next generation, 32-bit Palm OS incorporating bits of BeOS. (They started working on the OS before they bought Be.) Remember that Palm is also spinning off their operating systems division soon, so I assume that they are going to try to use this conference as some sort of launching pad. Here's a link to an InfoSync article about the new Palm OS.

-Russ

Anyone have word on whether or not there is a PalmOS Emulator for PCs?

Palm owns it

A hotel may not necessarily BE an ISP.

BE was sold to Palm recently. Where have you been? Where do you want to go today?

To see the alphabet and try it yourself, head over to Palm's graffiti demo , which includes a spiffy applet that you can practice writing into.

I've had both a Blackberry and a Palm VII, and much prefer the Palm VII for my purposes.

For your purposes, I would go with one of the 2-way pagers, either the Blackberry or the T900. They have always-on email checking so you immediately know when a new message arrives, and they're dead simple to use.

A couple of misconceptions I've seen on the thread and elsewhere:

Someone said Palm VII service was "$50 plus bandwidth" -- they have three levels of service, at $10 with little bandwidth, $25 with fair bandwidth, and $45 with unlimited bandwidth.

Someone else mentioned that they got good coverage with their Blackberry, with the suggestion the Palm wouldn't match it. That's not true, as both are hosted on BellSouth's Mobitexx network, no matter who resells them (Palm, Skytel, Earthlink, etc.).

The ability to program web clipping applications for the Palm is why I think it's better for geeks. It's very easy to build WCAs to interact w/web pages built dynamically by Perl/Python/PHP. I looked at the SDK for the Blackberry, and it's a lot more work, and so less suited to quick, one-off applications.

One thing I didn't see on the page or any of the follow up comments is about battery life. For such a slow CPU (at least by today's standards), I'd expect a pretty good lifetime. The old Casio Zoomer (c. 1992), a product done with Geoworks and Palm before they started doing their own hardware was slow. Way too slow -- otherwise it probably would have done much better even though it was expensive. But it had a great battery life, something like 100+ hours. Some other products recharge through their sync cradles. What is this one like in that regard?

Not to be nit picky but, do you bring your desktop computer on a plane with you? If so, let me know what airline you're flying.

On another point, how is this more convenient then a palm portable keyboard? at least for PDA's. I mean the size of the device looks larger than the keyboard when its folded up and that's without carrying around some sort of paper guide as others have suggested

So lets summarize, in my opinion, totally useless although the technolgy is definately cool

A PDA Like this looks like it could be a real hoot to play with, but I still don't think it compares with the Palm Pilot. And it doesn't seem powerful enough to be the kind of Linux toy that I really want. And these things are never going to reach the price/performance ratio of something like a Gameboy. That is what I would really like is something around the price of a gameboy that runs linux and lets me write fairly simple games for. Or how about something about the size of a tomigachi that you could write games for and easily download them over a serial cable. And maybe access that serial cable from the games so you could interconnect them. Is there something like that available?

The Palm lines also have a vibrating alert.

Check out the Palm m505

As for funky alarms, The Palm m505 also has a vibrating alarm, as well as a flashing LED. So Sony isn't the first on this.

• Symbol Technologies licenses the Palm and creates several units which can do RF, 802.11, and include a barcode scanner (high-output LED)
• Handspring invents the Springboard slot and implements pseudo-USB support for connecting the devices.
• Sony mimics that with the MemoryStick, but adds VFS support, and takes Handspring's USB protocol, changes one function, and makes their own spin on it.
• Handera, formerly TRG builds upon that with a sliding graffiti area (thanks for incorporating my idea from #palmchat back in 1998 on that one), and adds CF and SD slot architectures (still serially connected storage though, can't "run apps" from each card concurrently)
• Palm comes out with the replacement to the Vx, called the m505, and includes the Sony VFS extensions, the Handspring hardware port design (internally) and the Handspring USB modifications, but changes it enough to make yet a third fork of this pseudo-USB protocol. They also make sure to make every single thing about this new device completely incompatible with every single other thing available for their devices, even down to a 2mm change in the stylus length (I have a more detailed enumeration of those changes found here).

Why does Palm think they're about to, in any way, create a new hardware device that they think will surpass these existing innovative devices? Palm is ALWAYS behind the curve on hardware advances in this area. We're not even talking about comparing them to the iPAQ, VTech Helio, Agenda, Yopy, and the other dozens of non-PalmOS, non-WinCE handheld PDA devices.

Currently, Palm's OEMs for the PalmOS® software include:

• Sony
• Handspring
• Handera (formerly TRG)
• Qualcomm (bought out by Kyocera)
• Kyocera
• Symbol Technologies
• ...and others.

They get licensing from each and every one of these OEMs. Their hardware is the last thing to ever be updated. It is without a doubt, the least innovative portion of their business.. and they're choosing to keep it?!

I don't quite understand the motive behind this decision on their part. I suppose I'll find out at Palmsource in February.

• Symbol Technologies licenses the Palm and creates several units which can do RF, 802.11, and include a barcode scanner (high-output LED)
• Handspring invents the Springboard slot and implements pseudo-USB support for connecting the devices.
• Sony mimics that with the MemoryStick, but adds VFS support, and takes Handspring's USB protocol, changes one function, and makes their own spin on it.
• Handera, formerly TRG builds upon that with a sliding graffiti area (thanks for incorporating my idea from #palmchat back in 1998 on that one), and adds CF and SD slot architectures (still serially connected storage though, can't "run apps" from each card concurrently)
• Palm comes out with the replacement to the Vx, called the m505, and includes the Sony VFS extensions, the Handspring hardware port design (internally) and the Handspring USB modifications, but changes it enough to make yet a third fork of this pseudo-USB protocol. They also make sure to make every single thing about this new device completely incompatible with every single other thing available for their devices, even down to a 2mm change in the stylus length (I have a more detailed enumeration of those changes found here).

Why does Palm think they're about to, in any way, create a new hardware device that they think will surpass these existing innovative devices? Palm is ALWAYS behind the curve on hardware advances in this area. We're not even talking about comparing them to the iPAQ, VTech Helio, Agenda, Yopy, and the other dozens of non-PalmOS, non-WinCE handheld PDA devices.

Currently, Palm's OEMs for the PalmOS® software include:

• Sony
• Handspring
• Handera (formerly TRG)
• Qualcomm (bought out by Kyocera)
• Kyocera
• Symbol Technologies
• ...and others.

They get licensing from each and every one of these OEMs. Their hardware is the last thing to ever be updated. It is without a doubt, the least innovative portion of their business.. and they're choosing to keep it?!

I don't quite understand the motive behind this decision on their part. I suppose I'll find out at Palmsource in February.

(I am not sure if I am feeding the troll or not, but here goes.)

I think you are being a curmudgeon. It's clear that no amount of discussion is going to get anywhere. But, if your mind is open in the slightest, spend the $129 and buy a Palm m100. If you are an employed professional type, you have probably spent more than $129 on dinner on occasion. But buy it from a place with a good return policy so you can get all your money back if (when) you come to hate it. You lose nothing but a little time.

At least try it out -- and then come back here and tell us we're all fools when you have some first-hand experience with the product. Because right now, everyone with a PDA is just laughing at you. We're organized and reading the news on the road and playing solitaire when stuck in line and whipping up spreadsheets in the car and all that jazz while you are crying about paper notepads as if it's a clever comparison. Sheesh.

You probably don't "get" what a Tivo is good for, either. I mean, all you have to do is write down when your shows are coming on in a notepad, and keep that by the TV, and set your cheap digital watch to beep for Ally McBeal, right?

Palm has no plan to continue development of BeIA as reported by cnet

Palm issued a Press Release this morning stating that they purchased Be for $12M. ...anactofgod...

The only program I ever found to use your laptop IRDa port as a remote was RemoconCon, which I never got to work on my laptop. Also the other problem I've read is that the IRDa LEDs are tuned to a different IR frequency than remote LEDs so an IRDa port has a very poor working distance of only a couple feet. You'd have to stand in front of the tv holding your laptop to use this. Kinda defeats the point! Another program to check out is OmniRemote for the Palm. While the Palm has the same IRDa/distance issues as a laptop, PacificNeoTek sells an attachment that "boosts" the signal and gives it decent coverage. It turns your Palm into a Pronto!