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Gnutella, Freenet, and other file sharing networks are rampant with child pornography. I have yet to see any outrage in particular over this.

Then you haven't been looking very hard. Most file sharing discussion boards have frequent "what can we do to stop all the child porn... nothing, it's technically impossible to stop this kind of thing" threads. (E.g., this one).

as they don't test it against other search engines.

Besides, you search pr0n images. Welcome to the 21st century, start finding pr0n movies! (10 gigs and counting, all shared)

maybe you are not using the right torrent client?

if in windows, try shareaza

Shareaza will let you limit up and down speed. Supports Gnutella1, Gnutella2, eDonkey, and Bittorrent

Um... you need to try Shareaza. It's currently the king of P2P clients (but Windows only):

* Swarming - Yes.
* Privacy/anonymity - No (you're going to make performance sacrifices if you do that).
* Good searching - Yes.
* Open-source - No.
* No ads/spyware - Yes. No adds, no spyware.
* Decentralized/self-organizing networks - Yes.
* Browser/web server hooks - Yes. They're 'magnet:' links.

So close.

Anyway, there's a list of the bleeding-edge P2P applications over on Bitzi. My favorite (besides Shareaza) would have to be Mutella simply because it's open source, cross platform - and has an absolutely badass logo. The UI being command-line based also means I can easily search and download files via a SSH shell (and the screen utility) when I'm not at home. But it doesn't have swarming or support 'magnet:' links, so it's kind of limited at the moment.

Also, you need Mathematica to run the programs.

That's what P2P is for!

You forgot:

- BitTorrent
- Shareaza (gnutella2)
- eDonkey2000
- FTP - with IPs traded amongst friends/etc. (a crude P2P, in a sense)
- as well as a slew of others I'm not aware of, I'm sure.

All this knowledge simply from being online for a couple years. Imagine what a hardcore file trader is aware of.

I'd like to see which software Mitch Bainwol has on his desktop: Shareaza, eMule, BitTorrent, or DC++.

If you want "infiltration" of other P2P networks, what about Shareaza (Windows only).

It supports Gnutella 2 (& file swarming), Gnutella 1, EDonkey 2k networks, has BitTorrent support - plus it understands "magnet://" and "ed2k://" web links to P2P content (more about those standards here). It contains absolutely no spyware and is one of the best-written apps I've ever used.

For file sharing, you don't need anything else.

Poisoned is actually just a frontend (although a very good one) for giFT. There are Windows versions available too, such as KCeasy. But until giFT gets ed2k support, Shareaza is still the way to go.

I've used a lot of P2P stuff, and this is the hands-down winner.

How about shareaza, which is free, has no ads, and connects to G2, G1 AND ed2k, with support for BT as well?

The Gnutella 2 network is more or less independent. As long as a few people let their computers be hubs, (You don't necessarily need hubs, either) the network should be able to stay up. Especially with the alternate source mesh, any popular files could survive even if a large portion was to be shut down. Shareaza and I think Gnucleus and Morpheus support G2.

Shareaza is a pretty good client. It supports Gnutella 1 and Gnutella 2, as well as eDonkey2000 and BitTorrent. I don't know if it counts as "more sophisticated" but if Kazaa really did not hash the entire file, then at least G2 is more sophisticated, since it makes sure the entire file is not corrupted. Plus, there's no spyware. :x

Besides which, some clients, such as Shareaza make use of multiple protocols (in this case, BitTorrent, EDonkey, Gnutella, and Gnutella2) in an attempt to unify those protocols. Not a bad idea, really. That said, I'm still waiting for them to add support for the WinMX networks.

I question the validity of this. I am not familiar with WalMart.com's sales but I bet they are dwarfed by Amazon's sales. (WalMart, in general, however I am sure dwarfs that.)

While cheap, it will take more than a few cents savings to convince people to use Walmart's service as opposed to using itunes. Hey, better yet, why not download for free? Seriously though, unlike their globally dominating bricks and mortar brand, I don't see this taking off as well. But maybe I'm wrong; perhaps WalMart's music service will take off. Hey while we are at it, maybe while people are at the site they will buy a bunch of Lindows PCs too. :)

Plus with the selection available at WalMart (or lack therof) I hazard a guess that WalMart will not be the most prevelant music download service...

It has some interesting features like MD5 & Tiger Tree hash verification and user comment system. It connects to EDonkey as well as Gnutella 1 & 2 and also works as a Bit Torrent client.

I've been using it for about 6 months now and have only once recieved a file that was something other than what it was named (that was my fault for not reading the comments attached to the file by other users). One of the features I really like is that it works with the links provided by ED2KLinks.com and ShareReactor.com.

It is a resource hog, but if you've got a extra box you can run it on, it's worth it. I regularly see my total DL bandwidth rise above 1.5 Mb/s.

Sorry, no linux client though.

Bittorrent is centralized for P2P.

Shareaza 1.9 is out. It supports 4 protocols.

the new shareaza beta is amazing, hasn't crashed, but it includes the gnutella, gnutella2 (mike's...),edonkey, and bittorrent download here PS: No Spyware

All the more reason to move to Shareaza.

Shareaza is now the best. It's freeware with no spyware, and it supports P2P transfers on Gnutella, Gnutella2, eDonkey, BitTorrent, etc all simultaneously in one interface...

Unfortunatly to many who read here, it's a Win32 app.

The only thing that I've wondered for some time now is that I don't know what the motivation is behind developing this application for free other than to establish the Gnutella2 network... But that even seems like a lot of work considering how much work has been put into interfacing with the other networks...

• iGetNet
• Bonzi Buddy
• Lycos Sidesearch

Put it like this. You know when you get the occasional search results even in Kazaa Lite K++ that for some reason are always remotely queued, and the host disappears, or might not even be publicly routable or a transient BGP? You know that strange traffic between supernodes?

That's us. We are direct action anti-RIAA activists, using vulnerabilities in the Fasttrack protocol to poison the Kazaa network's results just enough to throw doubt into the mix. We may or may not be doing the same for Gnutella, though we hear Shareaza's G2 is good.

While not really affecting the users of the network, try asking Overpeer, Mediaforce and so on why they've been getting all these bogus results. In fact, try asking where the hell Mac Granny came from, how, and why.

The doubt isn't usually enough to impinge on a civil case, sadly, they don't actually need proof for that just a preponderance of evidence, it could probably never be unless we flooded the network into oblivion... (the Mac Granny was, we feel, us getting lucky or the RIAA slipping up) but ask yourself why the RIAA aren't using the NET Act for criminal prosecutions? Because they can't PROVE anything. They don't even download the files to check; if they did, they'd find they were garbage, but apparently shared by a legitimate user who's turned off sharing. And remember: "For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement." - 17 U.S.C. sub.sec. 506(a)(2)

The P2P networks' greatest weaknesses and vulnerabilities, in the absence of anonymity, can be their strength. They seek to drive the pirates underground, back into their little blacknet cells... but today's blacknets are tomorrow's release groups in training.

And once a good anonymous p2p system eventually comes along (obviously not Freenet, and even more obviously not ES5), one that hits critical mass like Napster and Kazaa did, with the peak speed of BitTorrent but virtually firewall-proof, highly attack-resistant and virtually untraceable... what will be our enemies' recourse then, now that their tactics have trained new cells of hardcore pirates releasing even more quality material impossibly early for the masses to leech anonymously?

What are they going to do? Sue themselves for, by litigation, finally evolving a p2p network they can't fight? No, they're going to threaten the users, whether they know they're sharing or not. That's where we come in again... and where I sign out.

Take Shareaza for example. It does checksumming of all files ( I'm not sure off the top of my head what type ) so unless a LOT of people decide to spam a file, the chances that you will get the wrong file ( as long as you choose one with many sources ) are very minimal.

I try to keep the number of installed programs to a minimum, like say half a dozen, maybe a dozen.

Err, yeah, right. Let me count the apps that I absolutely *need* in order to do my job.

Things from your list:
* SSH client. Yep, agree with that one
* Web browser / email client (one program)

OK, that's two. What I also need:
* Other web browsers, for compatibility testing
* Graphics editor (for designing web sites)
* Text editor (for editing web sites and programs)
* Word processor (for writing letters & other
documentation that'll need printing)
* Spreadsheet (for doing occasional organisational
tasks)
* C++ compiler (for the obvious)
* Java compiler (ditto)
* Version control system front end
* Various 'back end' admin systems for web sites
that I manage
* Antivirus software (I sometimes send compiled
programs directly to clients; company policy is
scan-before-send).
* CD writing software

OK, that's 13 absolute essentials. Then there are the things I'd find it hard to live without:

* File sharing client. Currently only one although in the past I've used more than one at once.
* Media players. Winamp, MS media player, Real One.
* Productivity utilities: file compression, a fast image viewer, a task scheduler & reminder program
* Video editing & conversion software in order to be able to stick my home videos onto VCD.
* Things that I'm playing with. The odd piece of free-software-du-jour that I might find useful and have downloaded recently to see if its any good.

That makes 24. It doesn't include any of my own projects (which probably adds a further 10 separate programs to that figure at any one time).

And, I haven't had any problems with my Windows 2000 system since I installed it 9 months ago. I don't think I'm "insane". I'm just trying to use my computer as the tool that I want it to be.

> why can I not use KaZaA to download the .torrent file and run it from there?

Shareaza supports bittorrent. I believe you'll need 1.9 beta.

How hard would it be to install a gnutella client on your Windows, Mac, and *nix boxen?

You know, for an ostensibly geeky audience, this one should have been near the top of the list of responses.

For those of you who prefer Gnutella, here's a magnet link:

magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:I222WLXEM5JZ7PTBFSALQA7LBW X5LCNV.MFCP752L3CMH7QTS57USLQ6VKSKU5ZUSNZLO3GI&dn= dctf-1.wmv

Merely cut and paste into magnet-capable P2P apps like Shareaza

And it actually has sources!

Try the Gnutella MAGNET here!

With Shareaza, you can connect to Gnutella, "Gnutella 2", and EDOnkey with the same client. It also supports BitTorrent. I like the interface a lot too. No spyware.

Most of the RIAA rep's answers floated somewhere between overspecific responses tailored specifically for the RIAA when the question was about a broader issue, and the party line of the RIAA which stood in stark contrast to the independent thought which Lessig put forward.

I realize that the RIAA rep is getting paid to represent his employers, but we ended up with non-responsive answers like this:

As a technical matter, it is illegal to download a recording from another that is not yours. As a practical matter, there is no reason to do it. It is easier these days to rip a recording from a CD than to download it. And, when you rip the CD, you do not open up your computer to all of the spyware and other viruses that are part and parcel of most illegal P2P services.

I'm glad that Oppenheim is so concerned about the tremendous amount of spyware out there (which is, strangely enough, not present in some p2p software. I'm so glad that he's making sure we don't waste time downloading tracks that we could just rip ourselves, notwithstanding that the CD is out in the car, or that our CD-ROM just exploded, or that the CD is rife with copy protection measures that someone else was able to bypass while not under the thumb of the DMCA.

He didn't provide any references or explanation as to why his answer - that you can't download a track for which you already own the license on the same physical source medium - was purportedly factual. In fact, I'd speculate that he's flat-out wrong.

• Gnutella 1 (BearShare, LimeWire)
• Gnutella 2 (Shareaza)
• eDonkey2000
• BitTorrent!

The second .torrent from Jamuraa had by far the most sources when I tried it. I downloaded the entire file in WELL UNDER 10 minutes (more like 5). I got an average of average of 1 MEGABIT. I'm still sharing on Jamuraa's .torrent.

Also I HIGHLY recommend using Shareaza to download Bit Torrent files. It let's you see the sources you are downloading and uploading to and from and graphs of your bandwidth usage. AFAIK it also will automatically re-share any torrent files you leave in your shared folder. With the standard BT client you have to start it up and load the .torrent file again (AFAIK) Trust me it is far better then the standard Bit Torrent client!

--AC signing off

Well, you can download it on Gnutella2 (using Shareaza) here. A torrent for this small file is kind of a waste.

WinMX? Please. WinMX is going the way of the dinosaur; it has tremendously long queues, it's UI is probably the worst I've ever seen, and it's basically turned into a file TRADING network instead of a file SHARING network. I suggest you check out Shareaza instead :P It has BitTorrent & eDonkey support.

Well, if you want a great spyware-free Windoze client, Shareaza is your ticket. It connects to Gnutella 1 & 2, as well as eMule. I have had better-than-average luck at finding rare files, and often times I download from 100+ sources at once. It also has many other nice features, like saving your search results. I have a list of 7000+ unique ebooks that I keep around. Whenever I want to read a particular book, I just temporarily filter the results to find it, then download it.

Hope this helps!

Clint

Now that Shareaza now has .torrent support in its newest beta (1.8.9.0), it should bring in quite a bit of content to the "network"...

Now that Shareaza now has .torrent support in its newest beta (1.8.9.0), it should bring in quite a bit of content to the "network"...

Plus all the viruses, mislabeled files, and just plain crappy rips you can download, all for the same low low price!

How well are these new implementations interoperating with the reference implementation?
And do you cooperate on the protocol design with those developers?

Users of the Agnitum Outpost firewall can download the Blockpost plugin which blocks access to sites at the IP level (i.e. you would not even be able to ping such restricted sites). A Blockpost filter list based on the P2P Enemies list can be found in this thread.

Visit Bitzi.com.

Search for the file you're looking for. View the ratings people have given files, click on the 'magnet://' link for the file you want.

The 'magnet://' link (actually a crytographic hash) opens in Shareaza (see Shareaza.com for the excellent Windows client, bitzi lists a few other clients for other platforms), finds the exact file you're looking for (or waits and keeps searching every now and then if it's not available) and downloads the file.

When downloading (while simultaneously uploading to your peers in a swarming fashion - just like BitTorrent), Shareaza uses cryptographic hashes to make sure the download you asked for comes through intact, uncorrupted, complete and exactly the right file you asked for.

Ta-Da! Problem solved and you never have to bitch about P2P networks again.

...Because it shares files, but doesn't search for them. It's also best when used with files larger than an MP3, and when more than one person is downloading the file at the same time.

If you want to see the next Napster, try WinMX, or Shareaza, or any of the "lite" versions of the various P2P sharing systems you can find at ZeroPaid.com. They're much more suited to trading stuff, rather than people helping each other downloading particular files.

And yeah, BT can help sites trade pirated music and movies and whatever, but the web pages the .torrent files are stored on are fixed targets, much like Napster was, and are susceptible to the RIAA/MPAA/SPA dropping on their asses.

I tried BitTorrent, it was really slow, and while people say that it speeds up over time, I was still getting 10k/sec after 2 hours. I tried the mirrors - they were also dead slow. Eventually, I tried Shareaza, that P2P app which tried to hijack the "Gnutella" brand, and I actually got really good download speeds. I plan to upload to Freenet once I get the files (hopefully within 24 hours). If anyone with a really fast connection has the files, please consider uploading them to Freenet and letting us know what the keys are.

SHH... dont let Mike of Gnutella II know.... or else he'll hijack the protocol and call it Gnutella9...

magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:Y2YAXRLP4RZSMEYSWQMIQPBYP5 GSJLKA.ST2KW6VMR5CX6XG5K4CQBQOBHLECCZFEGEALOTQ&dn= KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-03-23-EN.iso

Note: You'll need a Gnutella program that supports magnet links to download this. I personally use Shareaza. It's not the newest version of Knoppix, but I've found it to be pretty stable.

You can download OpenOffice v1.1 off of G2 here. You'll need a G2 client, such as Shareaza.

From what I can remember it was the author of Bearshare who threw the mother of all tantrums and said that he was going to come up with gnutella3 and make sure it was a closed proprietary protocol. So yea, Gnutella2 or Mike's Protocol or whatever you want to call it, is an open protocol (officially) now. No more reasons to complain now are there?

As far as I'm concerned Shareaza rocks! It works like advertised: no spyware or ad's, fast and free. If none of the other Gnutella developers (except for the Gnucleus author) want to implement the G2/MP protocol then that's their decision but for now I join the rest of a growing number of Shareaza users who have a wicked P2P application.

Gnutella2 is a great and very active network, I find. So far only Shareaza uses it, but considering that it's competing with KaZaA it's doing incredibly well. I gave up KaZaA the day I discovered Shareaza, and now that the G2 specs are out hopefully I'll soon be able to get onto the G2 network from my GNU/Linux box.

With your hard-won $12.60 you can buy half an RIAA-sanctioned CD, or fifteen CD-R blanks. I hope you all know the right answer to this conundrum..
Remember, friends, SHARE your music!
for all you free-as-in-beer fanatics, check out Shareaza! The next generation of P2P is at hand!