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Bank bailouts were repaid - most recipients wanted to refuse the money, many paid it all back as soon as permitted.

In 2010 the federal government took over federally-guaranteed student loans, and the amount borrowed/owed to gov't ballooned from $150BN to $1.5TN under the careful management of the federal government - I imagine similar "success" were the federal government to take over, rather than just merely regulate, banks.

Once the majority of people realize that all their behavior is turned into these scores, and that these scores have increasing influence over their lives, you will start to see serious chilling effects.

Heck, we are already seeing those.

In the long run this could lead to social cooling, where society becomes more rigid, less able to change.

TFS describes a bog-standard fraud detection system that nearly every financial institution in the world uses.
These are the systems that drive those texts you get from your bank asking to confirm a transaction, or or trigger security questions when you login from a new computer, or disable your account due to suspicious activity.

In regards to chilling effects and whatever social cooling is, quite obviously, people still spout garbage day-in day-out online, with no remorse, no concerns whatsoever, with no end in sight. What are you smoking?

Once the majority of people realize that all their behavior is turned into these scores, and that these scores have increasing influence over their lives, you will start to see serious chilling effects.

Heck, we are already seeing those.

In the long run this could lead to social cooling, where society becomes more rigid, less able to change.

I think your premise would have likely been the case in the early days of the Internet. When I first started working with the Internet you didn't have very many people online who were over 40. I certainly remember old people who were proud of their lack of technical skills.

That being said, in the years since most of the US adult population has joined the Internet with 89% of adults in the US using it.

https://www.statista.com/stati...

In the old days algorithms were indeed influenced by the data that they received. This certainly resulted in comical results as well as politically incorrect results. The problem is that algorithms are being trained to produce certain results.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...
http://www.canirank.com/blog/a...
https://www.nationalreview.com...

TSA repeatedly failed to detect 95% of threats in independent tests performed by Red Teams. TSA is next to useless as a security measure and is nothing but a make-work project.

Democrats concerned about secure and honest voting? That's rich!

Dems are against voter ID laws
Dems racism exposed in their anti-Voter-ID crusade
Dem caught commiting voter fraud
DeBlasio cans whistleblower on Dem voter fraud
Illegal aliens voting
Pelosi wants voter age lowered to capture recently indoctrinated youth

It goes on and on with these traitors.

This is just whatabboutery on behalf of Hillary Clinton without mentioning her by name. No one else has set up their own private server, used it extensively & exclusively for electronically communicating the highest levels of classified information, or destroyed huge amounts of evidence while under active FBI investigation. There is no comparison whatsoever between Hillary and any Republican - Republicans, by the way, who Hillary blasted for using "secret email" accounts a mere two years before setting up her own secret email server. So she was a much worse hypocrite, much earlier, than anyone who chanted "lock her up" but now doesn't care about the Kushner's.

And that's not the end of the BS. There's the nonsense that Hillary's emails were ok because they weren't marked classified. If Hillary got an email from a CIA section chief in Japan about the state of North Korea's nuclear weapons program, that information didn't have to be stamped as classified to be treated as such - it was inherently classified. A fact Hillary knew full well as she received special training on handling such information.

Then there's the line that it wasn't that bad because Hillary didn't have any intent to mishandle or misuse any information. But intent is completely irrelevant to being charged with handling classified evidence - just ask Kristian Saucier. He was prosecuted by the same DOJ that whitewashed Hillary's actions, despite the DOJ agreeing that he had no intention of misusing the selfies he took on Navy submarines. They prosecuted him anyway, because he had classified information on his unsecured, unauthorized phone. Hillbots, try and explain why she shouldn't be prosecuted for her unsecured, unauthorized server when far lesser people have done time in federal pound-me-in-the-ass penitentiaries.

Last but not least, there's the destruction of tens of thousands of pieces of evidence while under active FBI investigation. Dembots have been cheering Mueller for indictments over process crimes, like lying to the FBI. Just what do you think St. Robert would have done if Manafort or Papadopolis had deleted 30,000+ emails while he was actively investigating them. They'd get decades for obstruction of justice, even if that was the only charge he went to trial with.

Mishandling classified evidence is what would send Hillary to prison for decades, for using an unsecured, unauthorized server adminned by a guy who didn't have a security clearance. Just ask Kristian Saucier who was prosecuted by the DOJ for taking selfies on his unsecured, unauthorized cell phone on a sub.

And what do YOU think the government would do to you if you destroyed thousands of pieces of evidence while under active FBI investigation?

here is one where WaPo attacked their credibility and I wouldnt call WaPo right-leaning at all.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...

That's the Washington Times, not Washington Post. Washington Times was created as the conservative alternative. It was created be Unification's Revered Moon, and a prominent proponent of the Obama birther conspiracy.

here is one where WaPo attacked their credibility and I wouldnt call WaPo right-leaning at all.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...

they even quoted a forbes article

The fact-checking site was originally founded in 1995 by David and Barbara Mikkelson, who divorced in 2015. In December 2017, Forbes ran a piece that concluded Snopes has major credibility problems such as: David Mikkelson’s “responses regarding the hiring of strongly partisan fact checkers and his lack of response on screening and assessment protocols present a deeply troubling picture of a secretive black box that acts as ultimate arbitrator of truth, yet reveals little of its inner workings.”

Uhh you must have missed Brie Larson on the promo circuit saying "I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him! " (so apparently you can't be a critic of a movie unless you are the correct skin color and sex, I guess someone should go tell The Black Nerd on YouTube he is fucked) and her touting the movie was "made with intersectional feminism" so sorry, you can buy the bullshit all you want but the star of the movie was waving a big ass political flag as high and as hard as she could possibly swing the damn thing.

You may have missed a few.

Of course, it would seem there's hardly any reason to suspect this, right?

A filthy leftist rag told him!

I was just thinking this. Debating has lost a lot of legitimacy from things like this https://www.washingtontimes.co... Sadly there is no intellect left, just party line non-sense. The non-sense portion was proved here https://www.chronicle.com/arti... I get that not all colleges or professors are this way but when it's given a pass it tarnishes them all.

You mean like the 1950s?

It is much easier for capital to move around than in the 1950's. Even the SPLC moved millions to offshore tax havens. Money moves faster (hello bitcoin). Faster than a government can tax. Even if a government taxes more doesn't mean increase revenue. It's a great talking point to hear about when we had a higher tax rate but many things have changed since then but many things are still the same (raising taxes doesn't mean raising revenue).

Now when talking about taxes, what percentage should the 1% represent in government revenue? From that FreeBeacon link, "New York has the second highest combined state and local tax rate for high-income earners, and nearly half of the state's income tax revenue comes from the top 1 percent.". I think the same is true for federal taxes. The rich, right now, represent roughly half of all revenue for government. Why is that not enough? Taxing more doesn't solve problems like a magic bullet. The 1% do not face usually low tax burden by historical standards.

Also, the average tax paid for the top 1 percent in the 1950's was 42% not 90.

"Unskilled worker" in this context means anyone that hasn't gone to medical school.

As for the Democrat plan in the US to "outlaw" private healthcare so everyone has equal access to substandard care is a non-starter. Supporters argue that they have finally figured out a way to provide quality healthcare for all at an affordable price in a timely manner, but they can't explain why no other socialized medical care plan on the planet has achieved that goal. Every time you point to a fundamental flaw they claim "well, we will make sure that doesn't happen, but when you ask how, all you get is crickets...

It's a grand idea, but medical care is expensive in terms of manpower and resources, and expanding access does not reduce the need for either.

AOC actually claimed that the US would save money on funerals with improved access to healthcare... Apparently, in her mind people with universal healthcare coverage are immortal, since they won't have a funeral. (Delaying a funeral isn't a savings, it's a deferral - nothing more.)

Walls work for El Paso, TX, what makes you think they won't work in other locations? When about 89% of border patrol agents say a wall will help them do their job, why do you insist otherwise? Do you believe you know more about enforcement of border laws and the issues/problems faced than the actual agents on the border?

Here you go. What's the backing for your claim?

Provided.

The 97% is homage to the climate change lie.. The actual number 89% of border agents want a wall. That's pretty overwhelming - and shows just how out-of-touch the Democrat leadership is in terms of enabling the border patrol to do their job. It's almost like they don't WANT a border patrol...

I, for one, am really enjoying how people from NYC and Washington are bordersplaining how it's not supported when people who live there actually like it.

Wut?

Given the rather low rate of autism among women compared to men, why then did this feminist conference do so, citing 'anxiety', not autism: https://www.washingtontimes.co...

Perhaps they were being super inclusive of their trans members, as there does seem to be an overlap between the populations: https://www.theatlantic.com/he...

Oops, did I just do what you failed to do... and provide citations? Yes, yes I did.

Border patrol agents overwhelmingly support a wall. But you know better, it's a mind trick, ignore the facts and opinions of the folks whose JOB IT IS TO PROTECT THE BORDER. They don't know nearly as much as a lone poster on slashdot!

At least they're carrying out the overwhelming will of the people. If only Chuck and Nancy would listen to the full electorate - not just those they want to listen to. Perhaps they don't want to be offended by listening to ideas that are incredibly popular and supported by the vast majority but just want to live in their own little echo chambers safely protected by a wall.

The folks charged with securing the border overwhelmingly want a wall to assist their job. I think they have a little more experience, knowledge - and investment - in the wall issue than you do...

China builds Apple's phones. There was no "theft" necessary. Apple taught them how to build the phones.

This. Seriously, did anyone expect any different outcome?

Here is another possible example:

China: Sure we like you guys, but if your going to enter our market we'd like you to say put up a couple of assembly plants.
US Execs: We are going to make how much money? Sure, let's do that. (I want my bonus).

Even if the IP doesn't walk out via actual data, which is likely easier to get to with the China location, the IP walks out with the people working there. There may be other steps required, but eventually you get everything you need or just develop the missing bits.

US Execs: What do you mean you no longer want to buy from us?
China: Our products are now comparable to yours and our products are cheaper. What would be the point?

US Execs: I wonder how that happened? I mean, who could have seen it coming? It's like they had some master plan to get our IP, train their guys, and replace us.

US Worker: And the circle is complete...

Related link
From the link: "Mr. Arkin argued that NBC, and news outlets like it, often miss crucial news stories because they’re so caught up in the “day-to-day whirlwind and hostage status as prisoners of Donald Trump.”

Basically, I can't stand Trump and thought the quote fit. The fact that Trump, or rather one of his advisors points out the IP theft issue, with an unprovable wild allegation, doesn't change that. A drunken monkey can know fire is bad, but that doesn't mean I want to hire him as a fireman, particularly when this particular monkey seems to think gasoline is a good way to put out fires.

Disclaimer: I can't stand Trump and I'm quite tired of the hostage situation we have in America with Trump being the hostage taker.

Just write an executive order insisting that everyone in there either be charged and speedily tried, or released.

He was specifically barred from doing this by Congress: https://www.washingtontimes.co...

Yup, home of the brave, land of the free.

Schumer NEVER offered $25 billion for the wall. NOT EVER. The closest he ever came was when Chuck (in his own words) ""In exchange for strong DACA protections, I reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion," - NOTE: he did NOT offer anything other than DISCUSSION. this was the typical Democrat faux-border-secutiry deal just like the one they made with Reagan in 1986. No actual substance and no actual border security were proposed by Schumer.

Schumer has repeatedly said NO MONEY for the wall - EVER.

TRUMP OFFERED TO LEGALIZE MORE DACA KIDS THAN THE DEMOCRATS REQUESTED IN EXCHANGE FOR WALL FUNDING, and Pelosi and Schumer walked away. This offer risked angering Trump's own supporters as even the liberals at NBC admitted.

Story proving Clinton paid the Russians to challenge the election in case she lost. Perhaps you should ask her or her supporters instead of Trump supporters.

Words are one thing; sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to influence foreign elections is another.

story you should read.

Yep, Clinton paid Steele to get Russian contacts to write up fake info on Trump so she could... challenge a lawful election if she lost. You morons fell for it. The guy who made it all up is literally laughing at how stupid you are.

Hillary Clinton paid for lies, you bought it, and are screaming your head off repeating it. Face it, you don't like democracy and refuse to accept the outcome of an election, something that Clinton had said was "horrible" to think anyone could do it. Yet here you are doing it.

I bet you are so stupid this is the first time you've ever even heard that this Russian collusion thing has been a hoax since they beginning paid by Clinton to challenge an election she lost.

Idiots.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...
British ex-spy Christopher Steele, who wrote the Democrat-financed anti-Trump dossier, said in a court case that he was hired by a Democratic law firm in preparation for Hillary Clinton challenging the results of the 2016 presidential election.

He said the law firm Perkins Coie wanted to be in a position to contest the results based on evidence he unearthed on the Trump campaign conspiring with Moscow on election interference.

Use google ya' intellectual cabbage.

First hit:

Mr. Evans claimed that his encounter with Facebook’s investigation team led him to believe that chats he had with a journalist prior to his employment were accessed for an interrogation.

Being lazy as justification for criticizing something you do not like is, at best, childish. Grow up.

Itâ(TM)s the 16th time that the Obama administration has taken complaints about China to the WTO. Of the seven cases that have been decided, the U.S. has won all seven.

yeah Obama did nothing...
How this bullshit gets uprated i'll never understand.

Obama has done NOTHING ? None of you moronic moderators could spend 2 minutes searching to verify that he did NOTHING ?

https://www.washingtontimes.co...

And that article came from the Washington Times. Run by a right wing lunatic. Don't believe me check out the headlines at the bottom of the page. So much for fake news.

The democrats will praise this when they figure out if it really helps or not, since Trump and many of the members of his administration lie often and with impunity.

Also too, those tariffs the Trumpbots are rallying around are being paid by you, not by China.

Facebook employees and tech companies in general have moved hard left. You can't wipe away the number 2 position at Facebook's email to Hillary's campaign manager just because once upon a time Thiel was brought on in 2005 and they haven't yet fired him. As I said, it's non-trivial to remove a board member.

You can't wipe away internal reports of just how intolerantly left Facebook's culture is -- even Zuckerberg admitted Silicon Valley is an "extremely left-leaning place" in testimony before Congress.

Jordan Peterson, a Canadian professor of psychiatry with very sane lectures and attitudes about SJW speech, evaluated Justin Trudeau after a student's questions at the University of Oxford. See https://www.washingtontimes.co... . One problem is that Justin Trudeau is naive about the dangers of the *not* free press he is enforcing for his own favorite political hobby horses. So Trudeau is not to be trusted about freedom of the press: he doesn't believe in it when it questions, for example, the pay gap for women (which really does exist, but is only about 4%, not the 78% some feminists keep citing) or the idea that there is no such as gender (which certainly does exist, especially for the trans-gender people who *change* theirs). That's a blatant example, but he's encouraging similar SJW foolishness in education, in children's programs, and in tax law.

That's simple. The fundamental rule has always been that facts are universal, opinion is personal. Virtually every respectable media outlet has a version of that doctrine.

Like the "Fake But Accurate" President Bush reports, and all the recanted Kavanaugh accusations from more of the "respectable media" outlets? After all, modern media is much more critical of the current Administration, and much of the "respectable mainstream media" is more biased than Fox News and the Wall Street Journal.

and tastes sweet as well

If you claim you can't tell the difference between antifa and Democrats, you're obviously both trolling, and an asshole.

Really ?

"Let's make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere. We've got to get the children connected to their parents," -- Maxine Waters

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25...

We owe the American people to be there for them, for their financial security, respecting the dignity and worth of every person in our country, and if there is some collateral damage for some others who do not share our view, well, so be it, -- Nancy Pelosi

https://www.washingtontimes.co...

And he was the one who had an election server wiped days after the lawsuit alleging voter fraud on the voting machines was filed.
https://www.snopes.com/news/20...

"A computer server crucial to a lawsuit against Georgia election officials was quietly wiped clean by its custodians just after the suit was filed."

Just after.

What, like with a cloth?

At least he didn't take a hammer and smash the server, like someone else did with their old cellphones.

And he was the one who had an election server wiped days after the lawsuit alleging voter fraud on the voting machines was filed.
https://www.snopes.com/news/20...

"A computer server crucial to a lawsuit against Georgia election officials was quietly wiped clean by its custodians just after the suit was filed."

Just after.

What, like with a cloth?

At least he didn't take a hammer and smash the server, like someone else did with their old cellphones.

they are trying to gain partisan advantages [..] false hysteria

You mean like this?

"The Texas Democratic Party asked non-citizens to register to vote, sending out applications to immigrants with the box citizenship already checked "Yes," according to new complaints filed Thursday asking prosecutors to see what laws may have been broken.

The Public Interest Legal Foundation alerted district attorneys and the federal Justice Department to the pre-checked applications, and also included a signed affidavit from a man who said some of his relatives, who aren't citizens, received the mailing."

"The applications were pre-addressed to elections officials, which is likely what left many voters to believe they were receiving an official communication from the state.

But the return address was from the State Democratic Executive Committee, and listed an address in Austin that matches the state Democratic Party's headquarters.

The letter is emblazoned with "Urgent! Your voter registration deadline is October 9." It continues: "Your voter registration application is inside. Complete, sign and return it today!"

On the application, boxes affirming the applicant is both 18 and a U.S. citizen are already checked with an "X" in the Yes field.

The mailing also urges those who are unsure if they're registered to "Mail it in.""

Then how about the Declaration of Independence? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." All men, not just Americans.

My family immigrated into the U.S. legally. Wait list, visa, green card, then finally citizenship. Treating all men equally means people who entered the country illegally should be booted out, and forced to go through the same process we did.

You're not asking for equal rights for illegal immigrants. You're asking that illegal immigrants be given superior rights compared to legal immigrants.

And as an aside, the SCotUS has repeatedly held that U.S. Constitutional protections apply to everyone on U.S. soil, even those who entered the country illegally (heck, they're even counted for the purpose of determining Congressional representation). That was why Bush put a prison in Guantanamo Bay - because it was Cuban soil, not U.S. soil, so he hoped to avoid giving the prisoners there Constitutional rights. So everyone in the U.S. enjoys the same rights and freedoms protected by the U.S. Constitution. The people here illegally just don't get the rights and freedoms associated with U.S. citizenship (mainly, freedom from deportation, and ability to work legally).

Once again, leftist using homosexuality as an insult. Right up there with Bill Maur, Rosie O'Donnel, and chelea Handler
https://www.washingtontimes.co...
https://www.foxnews.com/entert...
http://wbsm.com/homophobes-on-...

The point isn't to get speeders, although there are radar & license photo machines that will do that. The point is to track where you go, building up a map of your travels & acquaintances/coworkers/friends/family; "but these license plate readers and surveillance cameras track your every movement". Note the presumption of guilt former Sergeant Joseph Giacalone offers, where we know you are guilty, but we haven't caught you yet. This provides the tools to catch you, as your movements are shared across a nationwide network, like this. And therein lies the real issue: What is a game-changing crime-fighting tool to some, is a privacy overreach of near-existential proportion to others.

Also note this quote which makes a large step towards a totalitarian state:

“We don’t know when somebody’s going to commit a crime, we don’t know when somebody’s going to run over somebody and take off,” said Joe Giacalone. “So that data should be there forever. We never know when we’re going to need it.”

Who defines a "crime"? What if the definition of a "crime" is changed ex post facto, and now you can be retroactively prosecuted, "because we hold the data, forever."

Kristian Saucier took pictures of a sub to show his kids. Jail time.

Nghia Hoang Pho took documents home to work on. Jail time.

More classified documents keep coming to light that Hillary had on a non-secure server. No Jail time.

Did I miss anyone?

The rest of the world just laughed in his face at the UN

Sure they did buttercup.

Cody Wilson [...] was a pedophile, and he's just been arrested for assaulting an underage girl he met online.

Cody Wilson — accused of having sex with a young prostitute who registered on SugarDaddySomething.com — is just as much a "pedophile", as Julian Assange — accused of deliberately ripping a condom in an otherwise consensual encounter — is a rapist.

In addition to the actual accusations being far from from what's normally associated with the terms used ("assault", "rape"), both men have another thing in common: their infamous crimes have surfaced shortly after they greatly inconvenienced the US government.

Had you really been a Liberal, you wouldn't have parroted these accusations... But you aren't... Maybe, it is the tenure track — rather than a gun — that "makes jack-offs into bigger jack-offs", uhm?

The fact that the Joint Strike Fighter's coding standards are based on MISRA C is not a good advertisement for it. The JSF's software still doesn't work right and they've been working on it for 20 years. Following MISRA C didn't avoid those problems.

To be fair it's getting really hard to distinguish the trolls from the genuine idiots these days. Though it's not clear if that's an issue as cutting-edge trolling research seems to indicate that subterfuge is much less important in trolling than previously assumed.

There are some people susceptible to the illogical messages of hate speech who cannot be brought to their senses with reason.

You mean like Eric Clanton who took a bike lock to several peaceful demonstrators?

Yeah, deplatforming. You might want to check out just how quickly FB, et al are at policing and deplatforming the 'hate speech' of EC and his ilk.

"In the US, far left is currently mainstream"

bwahaha...

Left: - universal healthcare - environmental protections - marijuana legal - hate speech outlawed - no coal plants

FAR left, is above plus - universal income - 50%-90% corporate tax rate - all drugs legal - proportional representation - nationalized critical industries (energy, water, internet) and some too big to fail businesses or businesses in the national interest - no more nukes, nuke plants or any polluting power plant. renewables only. - cap higher end wages

So I very much doubt that the "mainstream" in the USA is "far left". I think you guys can barely get to the centrist position.

I know its said time and time again, but the USA version of "left" is considered center or center right by other 1st world democracies.

You left out their most extreme positions and you know it. For example:

Left:

- general disdain for white people and favor affirmative action type programs. I think this is unique to the US. - OK to openly fly job ads that specify no white males unless they are gay - general disdain for Christians as a group - general disdain for anyone from "fly over" states, the south, or just not from a city - amnesty for all illegal immigrants is acceptable. Multiple times is fine too. - Abolish ICE so that enforcement of immigration laws is handicapped - force people to use an ever expanding list of new pronouns depending on what they identify as that day - deplatforming / censorship is OK as long as it's hate speech. Note that hate speech is very broadly defined and full of exclusions.

Far Left:

- wants reparations for slavery, always calculated to be in the trillions of USD - segregation in the form of safe spaces where only "people of color" are allowed - abolish borders altogether, anyone can come in any time and stay however long they like

Think I made this garbage up? Here are some citations:

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lu... https://www.thecollegefix.com/... https://www.theatlantic.com/bu... https://www.washingtonpost.com... https://www.washingtontimes.co...