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So, it's Friday night, and as usual, we need some sort of entertainment. Tonight's theme: fitness. Here's what happens when a computer geek meets a Navy SEAL for PT. It's not pretty. But does he learn? Oh no.

336 comments

  1. No need for fitness!! by Spaceman+Spiff+II · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    There's no need to keep in shape. By the time the effects are going to be noticeable (read life-threatining) medical breakthroughs will have it all taken care of... I hope....

    Actually, I DO run crosscountry...

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    1. Re:No need for fitness!! by Galvatron · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A high school bio teacher once told me that a friend of his in his youth (he was probably about 60) said the same thing to him when told he should quit smoking. "By the time I'm old enough, they'll have a cure for cancer." Oops.

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  2. waiting for windows by grey3 · · Score: 0

    boot camp. the place where one goes to learn patience when booting windows.

    1. Re:waiting for windows by IHopeYouTripAndFall · · Score: 1, Funny

      Thanks a lot folks! He will be here all week!

    2. Re:waiting for windows by Anonymous+Cowarc · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to tip your waitress!

  3. You'll probably need it by cscx · · Score: 0, Informative
    1. Re:You'll probably need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      geez, ya didn't even wait for the /. effect! Karma whore! :-)

    2. Re:You'll probably need it by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Its amazing how many hits a site can handle when a page with 20 kilobytes of content is actually (*GASP*) a 20KB file. Too long on the internet of 20KB of content swathed in 200KB of bloat has ruined your perspective.

    3. Re:You'll probably need it by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      doubt it.. its just text.. did you even look before for trying to whore some karma with a link to google? Who doesn't know how google works anyway?

    4. Re:You'll probably need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, it's just text, really small. Although someone should have reminded him that -4 font size doesn't make the data size any smaller.

    5. Re:You'll probably need it by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Jesus christ, was this so-called "article" posted because someone thought it was actually good? Or was it just because it's so goddamned long? Personally, I've read better journals kept by retarded middle schoolers, and frankly, this has no real reason to be on Slashdot. God, you guys must be just fucking desperate for new content, hunh?

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  4. WHAT?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had we been in the barracks tonight, we'd have pelted her with apples tied up in our socks.

    PRIVATE! WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE APPLES?! WE USE BARS OF SOAP HERE, YOU FUCKING MAGGOT!

    1. Re:WHAT?! by HobbitGod42 · · Score: 0

      hey AC just cause he made a simple civilian mistake don't mean you need to rip him a new asshole... infact I would bet you never even set foot in boot camp... lord knows I haven't... and I will admit that I haven't... apples would work nicely tho... since the more you beat the ppl with them the more apple juice they get on them... and in the immortal words of Ben Affleck 'Applesauce... Bitch'

  5. Entertaining the article may be ...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....but that's just to much damn text to read when you're trying to relax :0p

  6. Perhaps he should have done more research by I+have+nutsack · · Score: 0, Troll

    A lot of problems similar to his are typically caused by the usage of an inferior sack or satchel within which one transports what we call in German "die Nüsse".

    Perhaps, instead of making due with the sack provided him by his parents, he should have considered upgrading to a military-grade solution. Perhaps one similar to the one discussed here.

    By all means, this is not a requirement, though it would go a long way towards increasing one's stamina and endurance. In addition, it would have the effect of bolstering the national economy during these tough times.

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  7. Stay in shape, Choose SysAdmin by Raptor_316 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Keeping in shape is easy, just become a Systems Administrator. All these long hours here working on systems provides no time for bad habbits such as eating. Oh, that is unless you run all UNIX, this fitness programs requires Microsoft Windows NT4 Server or better or Netware of any version.

    1. Re:Stay in shape, Choose SysAdmin by digitalunity · · Score: 3, Funny

      Admin is easy. Try laying cat5 for 8 hours. That's *real work*.

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    2. Re:Stay in shape, Choose SysAdmin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starvation may produce washboard abs, but that's not the same as fitness.

    3. Re:Stay in shape, Choose SysAdmin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...actually, try laying 5 miles of barbed wire fence.

      having laid cable and laid fence, i can tell you which one is real work (hint: not the cable).

    4. Re:Stay in shape, Choose SysAdmin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been there done that.

      I'm more tired after 8 hours of coding or admin work than pullin cable.

  8. Hrrph, What a loser... by journalistguy · · Score: 1
    ...I got all my PT for free. And free food and clothing, too.

    Jeesh, all the guy would've had to do was join the military and save $495.

    Heck, I got p a i d a whole $600 bucks a month and they didn't charge me a dime for getting shouted at.

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  9. Re:No need for fitness!! - If you're young by Caractacus+Potts · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Boy, are you in for a surprise. Wait until you hit your late thirties. If you aren't in shape then, you can kiss those all-night programming sessions good-bye. I could sure use one of those medical breakthroughs right about now.

  10. Well, cool by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its an odd article for /. but its neat. I think that computer geeks (myself included) need to get out and exercise, its good for the mind, the most used geek muscle (we know its not a muscle though). I rock climb a lot, and it has helped me. Boot camp in this style is not as hard as the "real thing". At least they can't pull you out of bed at 1, after you just went to sleep.

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAM!!!! from the delta to the DMZ............

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    1. Re:Well, cool by lightfoot+jim · · Score: 1

      The "real deal" of boot camp is harder, especially emotionally. Nobody wants to get sent home form boot camp and tell their family they were too fat for military service. With a program like this guy was in, you can just say the instructor was a prick. But boot camp can't compare to active duty. I've done more demanding stuff on active duty than I ever had to in basic.

      Anyway, I totally agree that everyone needs to get out and exercise. I wear enough rank that my present job consists of deskwork and bureaucratic battles, but I still make a point of pushing myself in my physical training. Hard physical exercise isn't really physical at all. It's a test of the mind. If I skip physical training for around a week, I notice changes in my mind. When I train regularly, my mind can focus better, think faster, stay awake longer, the whole works.

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    2. Re:Well, cool by RFC959 · · Score: 2

      Definitely neat, but I have to wonder: the guy rarely mentions his work. I don't know about you, but my workplace would not be too happy with me if I were collapsing at the office, or were unable to do the physical things my job requires, like lifting servers into racks. Pushing yourself like that sounds great, but it sounds mostly feasible for people who either don't have "work" to go to (like the writer he mentions) or whose work doesn't much care if they just flop in a chair wasted for the whole day. Then again, maybe I'm just making excuses instead of giving 100%...

    3. Re:Well, cool by jso888 · · Score: 1

      At the time, Shankman worked (scroll down) for himself (PDF CV).

  11. The Meanest Geek, EVER by Talisman · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is me at a convention in San Diego a few years ago. Before making any smartass comments, yes, I'm the one in the middle.

    I am a former Marine, 225 lbs. @ 7% BF, who works as a real network engineer (not a lame-dick MCSE) who runs Linux and FreeBSD at home.

    There are two points to this post.

    1) I am the meanest geek, ever.
    2) Just because you're smart, doesn't mean you have to play the role of the skinny, unathletic nerd.

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    1. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by CanadaDave · · Score: 3, Funny
      Isn't that the governor of Texas, Jesse Ventura?

    2. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Jardine · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you mean the governor of Minnesota.

    3. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      All the steroids made you blurry.

    4. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by ConTroll+Freak · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You use Lunix?
      Thanks, you just proved your 17 IQ which is typical of the leathernecks.

    5. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Skyshadow · · Score: 2

      I worked for an ex-SEAL who'd give you a run for your money, but you've got me beat.

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    6. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      lol, exactly what I was thinking. Jessay!

    7. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my gooowd :D

      Boy you are HOT. please, please, please, I don't mean to be mean,
      and I don't wanna offend you, but I would jump you in a heart beat.

      I would love to know you in person, if you ever stop at Baltimore.
      Can I drop you an e-mail?

      Please say yes, cuttie pie. Oh, I sooo think you are cute. How come
      other guys never look this good?

      Kisses

    8. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by nomadic · · Score: 2

      You're a little on the small side, but I guess in decent shape...

    9. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "lame-dick mcse"?
      Tell me more about what a "real" network engineer does tough guy?

      Meanest geek ever? I dont' know you, but Im sure there are many geeks more anti-social then you, although not many I'm sure!

    10. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you ever beat yourself up for lunch money?

    11. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is that on a scale of 3-18?

    12. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Semper Fi right along with you man !

    13. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by baudbarf · · Score: 1

      Really!?? Huh.. I though it was Mr. Clean...

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    14. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous+Cowarc · · Score: 1

      And look you spelled BSD correctly and everything. We are all proud of your progress. Unfortunately, you were obviously in the gym when they were teaching humility.

    15. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by lightfoot+jim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's all make comments insulting the healthy based on the fit=stupid stereotype. That will make us feel better about our potbellies, yeah, that's the ticket.

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    16. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As one who studies martial arts, you would be a dream opponent.

      Hopefully, you've done yours stretches, because a lot of those holds are more painful than they look.

      boo-ya.

    17. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, come on man. Give him some credit. I thought it was a rather creative/amusing question.

      Learn to laugh at yourself. The rest of us already are. :)

    18. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Classic martial-arts wannabe poser. "I know kung fu, therefore I'm a bad ass that nobody can handle. Seals, Marines, fuck that. I'm a bad ass becuase I can Katate Chop!" You've bought completely into the bullshit Hollywood/Hong Kong fantasy as martial arts making you pure badass.

      Making assumptions on an individual's fighting skill is stupid AND dangerous, and a mistake you only make once.

    19. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, making assumptions that a muscle bound idiot putting his picture up will be a piece of cake. I predict he's down in 3 seconds from somebody with say, white belt skills.

    20. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Karate chops? WTF are you talking about. A classic indication you've never studied martial arts.

      Karate chops? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

      P.S. Kung Fu? Right. Walking on rice and lifting heavy red-hot pots with your forearms. You really are a dick.

      P.P.S. You've bought into the myth that because someone goes through 10 weeks of basic training that they're anything more than cannon fodder. They tell those kids they're tough marines to convince them to do a frontal assault against some 3rd world idiot, but they're nothing more than a flesh machine that dies because he's sitting in a helecopter where someone tosses a RPG into the open door. The world needs disposible humans like that because otherwise wars are impossible.

      P.P.P.S. And believe me, the guy in the picture is no "bad ass". A real tough guy doesn't put his picture on slashdot. Perhaps a homosexual who's ass is so loose he can't even fart anymore.

    21. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the fit=stupid stereotype. It was the big=bully stereotype and the geek=lunch money stolen stereotype. Neither was really an insult.

    22. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and the comment about his looking like a turd burgler was just what you always say to badly proportioned people like this.

      Its nothing personal.

    23. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I got your body fat % beat. under 4%.
      Of course, I only way 125lbs.>:)
      I'm not scrawny thought, I've got the bruce lee ripped-all-over-from-doing-a-ton-of-aerobics physique. I'm also a hardcore Martial Artist and light gymnast.
      And one of my good friends who moved to calif is one of those guys that is just incredibly strong, he benches 315lbs 5 times as his workout. He's a truck.... Hehehe. Of course, this entire post is off topic and sill if I really think about it, but it's 2am and I really don't care. I have karma to burn.>:)

      More power to the fitness inclined Geeks of the world!!

      Kintanon

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    24. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      Yeh, now that you mention it I think he could b Mr. Clean too. Crazy, just crazy.

  12. War by FissileDog · · Score: 0, Troll

    People who shoot the guns are the people responsible for war.

    1. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who shoot the guns are the people responsible for war.

      You are so ignorant. The people who start wars and are responsible for wars are rarely the same people who fight them.

      Hint: If you're in a 60s-retro phase stick to bell bottoms and pass on the failed political slogans.

    2. Re:War by dattaway · · Score: 2

      Would the persons responsible for war be investors (read us) who are attracted to large companies that maximize profits by lobbying polititions who maximize leverage that further exploitation in lucrative markets with the cheapest risk? A 36 percent return or greater a year is mighty rewarding and starts at the common people who invest. Would the nice house I just bought have helped incite a war in another country? One could say with large purchases, unintended influences are bought.

      War might be about being on the bleeding edge of civilizaion.

    3. Re:War by FissileDog · · Score: 1

      Interesting thought. "The people who start wars and are responsible for wars are rarely the same people who fight them." So when it boils down to a battlefield, after all "responsible" people are in safety, who is left in control of the situation? PS: I'm not a marketing exec, I'm not about repeating or creating mind warping and socially accepted slogans, I know an interesting idea when I see one. HINT: If you are into post-modern identity chrisis (AC), then I'd suggest you keep your mouth shut and keep yourself invisible and thoughtless.

    4. Re:War by Skyshadow · · Score: 2
      So, you're suggesting that wars occur because there are standing armies and/or people with weapons? Huh, and here I thought it had something to do with politics and economics, but I guess that the armies of well-motivated, equipped and trained individuals are just sort of spontaneous happenings.

      HINT: If you are into post-modern identity chrisis (AC), then I'd suggest you keep your mouth shut and keep yourself invisible and thoughtless.

      Well, here you go: I'm not anonymous. However, given your history of flame-bait comments, I suggest that you should consider an elective case of post-modern identity crisis in your future postings.

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    5. Re:War by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      Interesting thought. "The people who start wars and are responsible for wars are rarely the same people who fight them." So when it boils down to a battlefield, after all "responsible" people are in safety, who is left in control of the situation?

      The soldier is not in control of the situation, he is often the situation's greatest victim. The soldier has incomplete information, he doesn't know enough to evaluate the situation, but if he lets this prevent him from acting he may be endangering his homeland and his people. He has little choice but to trust the politicians (elected, unelected, revolutionary, ...) that have put him in harms way, who say a great danger exists. The soldier often honestly believes such a danger exists, it is critical to his performance. Look at the Iraqi army against Iran compared to the U.S. When war is unjustly waged the soldiers are often as decieved as everyone else by the politicians.

      PS: I'm not a marketing exec, I'm not about repeating or creating mind warping and socially accepted slogans, I know an interesting idea when I see one. HINT: If you are into post-modern identity chrisis (AC), then I'd suggest you keep your mouth shut and keep yourself invisible and thoughtless.

      Actually I was AC because I forgot to enable cookies, but back to your problems: Don't expect people to remain silent if you are going to play the fool, be man enough to accept ridicule and laughter. You jokes and wit fail, get used to it.

    6. Re:War by FissileDog · · Score: 1

      "...wars occur because there are standing armies and/or people with weapons?"
      At no point in any of these posts did I make any references to how wars start -- this is intentional.
      I'm glad that your lack of insight gets you modded up.
      I agree that politics and economics are part of starting wars (mainly through their dysfunction), but I don't know how many times I can stress, once a war has been "declared" who has the power to kill people? or not to kill people? If you think of soldiers as diplomats instead of killers, and grant them the rights of diplomats rather than killers, you might get an idea of what I'm saying.

      BTW: I have never posted flamebait. I have also never posted with the intent to get a reward other than discussion. Karma means nothing. My nick will always be attached to my comments.

    7. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suck my very liberal cock biatch.

    8. Re:War by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      BTW: I have never posted flamebait.

      That's sad, it means you believed what you wrote. ;-)

      I have also never posted with the intent to get a reward other than discussion. Karma means nothing. My nick will always be attached to my comments.

      OMG, nicks are nothing, they are anonymous, they are free, you can have as many nicks as you have personalities you want to present.

    9. Re:War by FissileDog · · Score: 1

      Why does the soldier put himself/herself in the victims role?

    10. Re:War by FissileDog · · Score: 1

      "OMG, nicks are nothing, they are anonymous, they are free, you can have as many nicks as you have personalities you want to present."

      ... you are saying posting as AC is worthless? Are you on drugs?
      where are the insight points. ;)

    11. Re:War by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      Why does the soldier put himself/herself in the victims role?

      Find a psychology text and look up negative-negative decisions. To act is bad, to not act is worse. The soldier is not looking to be a victim. He often honestly believes that people back home are in danger and that he has the training and tools to protect them. Sometimes the threat is real, sometimes it is not, but the soldier doesn't know and errs on the side of protecting those at home.

    12. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The invisible speaker has no ego, just something you should listen to.

  13. chant by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    mama, mama can't you see
    how the army's debugging me
    when null pointer's on the rise
    I got to exercise my thighs.

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  14. Re:Hrrph, What a loser... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These days you can enlist for 2 years. Basic training *included*.

  15. Kind of Offended by Brontosaurus+Jim · · Score: 0, Troll

    I know it's a slow night and all, but Jesus Christ, do we have to post this shit?

    Maybe you think it's funny, and I see the Foot so I must be humor, but this is kind of sickening. Really, how many people (innocents, no less) have been killed by all these uptight, anti-homosexual, redneck, blood-thirsty automatons.

    Seriously, Slashdot is supposed to be about freedom and helping people. Not about killing afgahni civilians or watching while the Isralies slaughter the Palestines. Wonderful. Thank you slashdot.

    It's funny, laugh. Right...

    1. Re:Kind of Offended by Raptor_316 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is freedom. If ya don't like the article, don't read it. Believe it or not, the same applies to most websites. I don't mean to step all over you actually, Im just tired of everyone walking around thinking that they should never be offended about anything, and your post spawned the thought.

    2. Re:Kind of Offended by The+Bungi · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      I never asked them to do this. They're responsible for violence. I, like any good christian (or person, for that matter), abhor violence. I don't cause violence. They cause violense. Therefore, I abhor them. QED.

      Here's a newsflash for you prick - you know the world out there? Outside of Smalltown USA and Downtown USA? It's very different from your pathetic Alice-in-wonderland everybody-happy-clappy xtian alternate reality.

      If only they'd back off, it'd be so easy. I'd welcome any ex-military with open arms back into a faithful and god-loving life. While I may dislike them for what they do, I love them as God's children. Don't forget that.

      I think they're all doing just fine without your love, but just in case, do book a flight to Afghanistan at your earliest convenience and wander around the countryside looking for a few. You might get a chance to ask them before they they do the honors and send you to your beloved twinky god.

    3. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, here is your civics 101 here. The military is controlled by the President. The military is not autonomous.

      So are you claiming that Bush set up 9/11? You must because you premise is that the military is galavanting around the world due to its own devices.

      Also, the job of the Army is not to find individuals. It is to fight other armies. That's like calling the fire department to open a stuck pickle jar.

      I don't quite understand why you give the US military such mythical powers. I think you perspective is a little skewed.

    4. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20+ million russians killed by communists
      30+ million chinese starved by communists
      8+ million chinese killed by japonese
      6+ million jews killed by nazis
      2+ million homosexuals and jypseys killed by nazis
      3+ million starved by british
      untold millions of africans killed due to tribal rivalries
      20+ million killed in religious violence in india
      untold tens of millions killed in criminal acts all over the world

      Get over your flower power/ its always america's fault for everything soap box, human beings kill, all the races, religions, and cultures have done it and continue to do it, its what we've done throughout history and what we'll do in the future. Somewhere in everyone's lineage there is a war criminal, a murderer, and an assassin even your's and in the future there will be more, accept it and prepair for it.

    5. Re:Kind of Offended by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      Excuse me. Excuse me. I would go to Afganistan and walk around, but thanks to punks like you in Washington, I can't go there. Aren't you aware of all the embargos we have against that poor country. How can you tell me to go there, and at the same time support the government that disallows me from going there

      It's really too bad you didn't lose a loved one in the WTC or the Pentagon. Really. Things like that sometimes help by snapping xtians like you out of their self-induced flower power dreams.

      Also, I'm sorry to inform you that there is no such thing as an embargo against Afghanistan. They were lifted the moment the new government took over. That's one less lame ass intellectual argument you can make.

      Empahsis mine. Wrath of God. All I can say. Wrath of God. Watch for it body, cause when it happens, you'll be on the front of the list

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! FOAD, xtian. I've seen your kind before. Fire and brimstone, end of the world, kiss my ass.

    6. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I never asked them to do this.

      No, but somebody did, and you have no problem falling in line with it, do you? At least you have the choice regarding your lifestyle. How about those in the world who don't? Somebody took that choice away from them. They'll take it away from you if they get the chance.

      Get off your high horse and realize that there are people who want to do you violence, for no other reason than to hurt you. They aren't just on the other side of the world. They are your next-door neighbors. Their best hope is that you won't defend yourself.

      As far as non-violence being the only Christan way, why don't you read the book of Nehemiah? "He prayed to God and he posted a guard." "Each man worked with a trowel in one hand and a sword in the other."

      Does it not occur to you that refusing to defend yourself and your family is a sin? Why don't you take a read at Matthew 18:6, while you still have the freedom to do so?

    7. Re:Kind of Offended by LadyLucky · · Score: 2
      I think what you meant to say was....

      Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg?

      <snip/>

      I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand at post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

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    8. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suck my communist cock. Hey stupid fuck, look out the window of your parents basement. Neither China nor USSR was a Communist society. They were a dictatorship with some Communism stirred in for good luck.
      How many people die every year in the US because they cant afford medical care, starve to death, worked to death, murdered, suicide, etc.. Then look at the same statistics in the Socialist countries. I HIGHLY doubt they are even 50% of what we have here. Leave my fucking country you fuck and don't look back or my foot will be up your ass.

    9. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey man, is that you? I thought I recognised another American Dumb Fuck (tm). Its not hard though, concidering most are that way. I'm getting so sick of you people cluttering up my country. Maybe you could please leave. Thanks.

      Too bad we don't have showers like the Nazi's did, so you could get nice and clean.

    10. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous+Cowarc · · Score: 1

      These were civilians who paid $495 each. This has nothing to do with our heroic boys in the MILITARY. Maybe the next /. story could be about me going to an overpriced gym on the upper east side. Would you stand tall and defend me when i got flamed all to hell? That is what you are doing here. Next time, before you get all worked up RTFA.

    11. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > freedom that I provide.

      The military doesn't provide peace, love and freedom. really.
      Only people who provide peace, love and freedom does. not you.

    12. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah, don't feed the xtians, Bungi.

      They'll spew peace and love despite having caused more deaths than Hitler and Stalin combined.

      Remember, kids, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    13. Re:Kind of Offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Only people who provide peace, love and freedom does. not you."

      Only them does. Absolutely.

      I think he has it right. Like it or not a well trained and equipped militia makes all the difference. It makes keeping the peace much easier.

      Plus, despite the other guy being a soldier, I noticed his spelling and grammer were much better than yours.

      I rate his intelligence as "above average". I rate yours as "lukewarm".

      Hope that clears things up for you.

      Love,
      Your mom.

  16. too bad about the chemo therapy... by mr_walrus · · Score: 1

    did they say the hair would grow back when
    you are off the chemo therapy?

    did you lose anything else with the steroids?

    :)

    really, :)

    1. Re:too bad about the chemo therapy... by dattaway · · Score: 2

      Is that the work of steroids? You might have to go up to him and ask that question. He might offer a free demonstration how to rip and tear muscles into shape.

    2. Re:too bad about the chemo therapy... by MaxVlast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because you smile doesn't mean that it's either funny or polite.

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  17. Re:Glorifying jocks is asinine. Hurray for high IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn you sounded just like the CEO at most tech companies after the bubble burst... If only it weren't for that top line!

  18. Navy SEAL mottos by scubacuda · · Score: 1
    After this article, it's easy to see why the Navy SEALs have mottos like:

    "The only easy day was yesterday."

    "Yesterday was easy because it's over."

    "A man with a strong stomach is a strong man."

    I've known several SEAL "rejects" and dropouts (injuries, etc.), and these guys are more fit than I'll ever be! All these mofos have my respect.

    1. Re:Navy SEAL mottos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thank the god I don't believe in that men like this exist in our country. The life of a NAVY SEAL has got to be the hardest in the world. And to think that they do it out of love for this country. Because it certainly ain't for the money.

    2. Re:Navy SEAL mottos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which has nothing to do with this guy... Going to the market and getting a frozen Wolfgang Puck pizza doesn't make you a master chef.

      Phhhbbttt, total fluffmaster.

  19. Ah, memories by graybeard · · Score: 2

    In 1978, I had the *cough* *cough* pleasure of spending my mornings with Heinz Lenz. Here was a guy in his early 50's, and the rumor was he swam a couple miles before he led our little workouts. He put most of us 18-year-olds to shame. I'll never forget: "Good morning trrroops! Side strrraddle hop, begin!"

    1. Re:Ah, memories by mlh1996 · · Score: 1

      He kicked my butt in 1992. "90 second quarter pace!"

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  20. Re:Hrrph, What a loser... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    The GI Bill, Feddie health care, and, with all the extraneous wars we fight, you'll only need to wait 6 months to bayonet your first baby!


    Never bayonet a baby. They're more dangerous than they look -- stick with grenades.

  21. Stretch & Breathe by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

    I can't remember not working out. I think I've tried pretty much every type of regimen but really there isn't a better exercise than walking, especially if you're starting out of condition. For those of us who have always been in condition the question isn't how can anyone workout plus 90 minutes a day but rather how can anyone not workout 90 minutes plus a day. Bulking up and being buff at the top of your game is fun and really punches up self confidence but I'd rather go for streaching and breathing and staying as light as possible. I don't know what it's like to never have been in shape, especially when growing up, and then struggle to get in shape as a young adult, but I do know, like riding bikes and so much else, once you've been there it's just that much easier to find your back. Eat the Pain.

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    1. Re:Stretch & Breathe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a certain feeling that 90% of the slashdot readership's idea of excercise is walking across a room to get more coke.

    2. Re:Stretch & Breathe by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

      The funny part is that punching through your personal walls and knowing the highs from peak conditioning is far, far beyond any drug/food induced high. And really learning to eat the pain and go on gives you something that can't be taken away and is nigh on impossible to lose or break. I'd better stop here, now, I feel dangerously close to recounting past exploits. ;)

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    3. Re:Stretch & Breathe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Eww, anti-drug propaganda.

      The highs you mention are of a complete different kind than, for example, a good shroom trip. Whether one's "far, far beyond" the other is very much a personal opinion. I like both for what it's worth.

      Agreed with the rest of your post.

    4. Re:Stretch & Breathe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me tell you, I entered my forties just a few years ago, and frankly, if you're married with kids and a career, there is *no time* to exercise. You're busy from 6 AM to 9 PM.

      You become overweight. No way around it.

      A few months ago, I decided to make my life healthier, because a regimen of stretching, arobics, classic exercise (pushups, situps, etc) and the key is healthy eating. Less sugars, more proteins, low fat.

      I've lost 25 pounds (I wasn't really fat, just doughy), I'm now in decent shape, and I can see some definition coming to my stomach.

      I'm not in the kind of shape this guy is, but I'll be there in about 6 more months. My bug-a-boo has always been running. I've hated it, and it hates me. To run 2 miles would be an achievement for me, although I'm in excellent shape otherwise.

      Its f*cking hard work too. People look at me funny when I go to lunch and have a garden salad. When the most I'll eat is lettuce combined with pieces of broiled chicken. When I try to now exclude most meats and all deserts.

      But at the end of the day, I feel 10 years younger. Food is no longer the central part of my life. And I have a lot more self-confidence. Daily stresses that would tire me now don't even bother me. I laugh at them.

      Definitely worth the investment of effort and time.

    5. Re:Stretch & Breathe by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

      No way around it.

      Man that is really, really overweight.:)

      Running's high impact and depending on the road surface can cause alot of damage. Swimming's a great alternative but where that's not available try skipping. Skipping on a shock absorbent mat will save the knees and hips a tremendous amount of punishment. If you can skip 45 minutes after a workout then you're doing *good.

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  22. Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by nurightshu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, I've got karma to burn (not that lack of it's ever stopped me before).

    Lighten the ever-loving fuck up! These guys are the salt of the earth -- I should know; I served in the military myself. And to rebut your histrionic simpering, I present the following points:

    • [H]ow many people (innocents, no less) have been killed[?] Not nearly as many as you think. Innocents are protected under the Laws of Armed Conflict, and {God|Allah|Buddha|Bob} help the soldier caught harassing, molesting, or injuring a non-combatant. You will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Uniform Code of Military Justice -- and the time you'll serve in a federal military penitentiary is hard time.
    • Uptight: Maybe sometimes...like when we're at fucking attention! If he's not in a formation, a soldier would much rather be sitting than standing, lying down than sitting, and asleep much more than awake.
    • Anti-homosexual: You've got a little bit of a point there. However, I'm gay, and it never bothered my coworkers a bit.
    • Redneck: Au contraire, the average soldier is much more likely to be a tough kid from the barrio or a New England swamp Yankee than a redneck, at least in my experience. The occasional redneck I dealt with was almost universally the subject of pity from his more erudite compatriots.
    • Bloodthirsty: To borrow from Tom Clancy, "Most of the Marines I know prefer beer." The soldiers I've known who had real combat time didn't glorify their experiences in the least. War is a savage and brutal act, the final extension of foreign policy, and its practitioners are sometimes required to undertake dangerous or distasteful tasks. Nonetheless, sometimes diplomacy fails (in the current case, when a bunch of religious zombies decided to turn the deaths of thousands of innocent people -- of all nations -- into a bloody public statement of hatred). When it does fail, soldiers must make war with justice, practiced skill, and swift surety, but never with unchecked agression.
    • Automatons: The ultimate soldier is one who is capable of making intelligent and rational decisions with a minimum of oversight from his chain of command. Although ultimately responsible to his superiors for his actions and the actions of those under his command, a soldier must have the capacity to operate independently of his superiors, and the wisdom to meet the mission goals with his operations plan. Automatons are what other nations use as cannon fodder.

    Have Afghan civilians died? Certainly. That's the nature of war. Sometimes people die in combat. Sometimes those people have done nothing wrong. But the goal of the United States is not the wholesale slaughter of innocents; to the contrary, we've gone out of our way to ensure their safety time and again. And as for Israelis slaughtering Palestinians, I'd call the last, oh, 96 hours or so in Israel a pretty good indication of who the aggressors are. While one side attempts to negotiate in good faith, the other side is setting of suicide bombs in public places. Who's the good guy to you?

    Next time you want to whimper about how terrible the U.S. military is, remember that their mission is to act as guarantors of freedom not merely for the U.S., but for the world. Sometimes the mere threat of their use is enough to cause aggressive individuals to reconsider. Sometimes we actually have to show the intestinal fortitude to use them. And sometimes, every once in a while, I wish they'd call in airstrikes on idiot hippies like you.

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    1. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by nomadic · · Score: 2, Troll

      You've brought up some good points

      And sometimes, every once in a while, I wish they'd call in airstrikes on idiot hippies like you.

      That wasn't one of them. What a despicable thing to say.

      My problem with the military doesn't really have to do with them, but with the cultural climate today, where nobody's allowed to even criticize things they do.

      You will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Uniform Code of Military Justice

      If the DoD doesn't sweep everything under the rug. Yes, there are plenty of cases where soldiers were punished for illegal actions during wartime; but there are also plenty of cases where everything was hushed up.

      While one side attempts to negotiate in good faith, the other side is setting of suicide bombs in public places. Who's the good guy to you?

      Neither of them are the "good guy". First of all, the current Israeli government isn't trying to negotiate in good faith; the only reason they're negotiating at all is because of international pressure.

    2. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And as for Israelis slaughtering Palestinians, I'd call the last, oh, 96 hours or so in Israel a pretty good indication of who the aggressors are. While one side attempts to negotiate in good faith, the other side is setting of suicide bombs in public places. Who's the good guy to you?

      Let me join you in karma burning. I think this post is worth the trouble.

      First, my bias to give you something to guage by: I'm half Arab half Scandinavian; lived half my life in the middle east, and I do now.

      A few points:

      1. You have no grasp of the facts on the ground. I do. Please read up on history first and seek the other side's bias first to better draw your own conclusions.

      2. Your world view is a little too simplistic to be constructive. There are only good guys and bad guys in elementary school and Hollywood. The peace process gets derailed every time someone starts looking for 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.

      3. Slashdot works better when we keep the politics out of it. Or, at least, the misinformed politics. Your post surprised me because I was under the impression that most shashdotters take the trouble to verify what the mainstream media has to say about issues.

      Sayonara karma; you have served me well.

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    3. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by nurightshu · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Thanks, I'm just depressed that it got modded up. I went on full-up psycho mode there and the mods didn't even have the common goddamn courtesy to bitchslap me for it.

      I tell ya, I spend all this time whoring to hit the cap, just so I can go on an extended karma burn, and it completely backfires. Jebus.

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    4. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      Next time you want to whimper about how terrible the U.S. military is, remember that their mission is to act as guarantors of freedom not merely for the U.S., but for the world. Sometimes the mere threat of their use is enough to cause aggressive individuals to reconsider. Sometimes we actually have to show the intestinal fortitude to use them. And sometimes, every once in a while, I wish they'd call in airstrikes on idiot hippies like you.

      The problem is, of course, that what's best for the U.S. is not always the most moral course of action. Nor is it always best in the long run (Vietnam looked like a good idea at the time -- gotta stop those commies!) So some intelligent debate would be nice.

    5. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by bmetz · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Since most people reply to critique or disagree I just thought I'd throw in a hell yeah the US Military kicks ass

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    6. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Thanks, I'm just depressed that it got modded up. I went on full-up psycho mode there and the mods didn't even have the common goddamn courtesy to bitchslap me for it.

      Defending a popular opinion (however you do it) tends to get support from the masses. And the moderators on SlashDot are probably nothing special in that regard.

      The real problem is when this sort of thing happens too much. Then intelligent debate tends to go out the window...

    7. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember, the Nazi's were only acting as "guarantors" of the perfect human's for the rest of the world.
      Who the FUCK asked the rest of the world to have the us be their "guarnantors" and what makes out zealotry correct? The "terrorists" are doing the same type of thing. They are trying to rid the world of evil people...isn't that what we are supposedly doing?
      Take your ass off your pedastal you fuck.
      So the fuck what if you're gay, do you want a trophy?

    8. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FREEDOM BY KILLING.

      damn I think you have something going there.

    9. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as for Israelis slaughtering Palestinians, I'd call the last, oh, 96 hours or so in Israel a pretty good indication of who the aggressors are. While one side attempts to negotiate in good faith, the other side is setting of suicide bombs in public places. Who's the good guy to you?

      I would just like to say that everytime there is some kind of signal of peace negotiations, something explodes killing people, and the peace negotiations are off. Then Israel shoots a couple of police stations, jails or something, and things are tight for a while. Then there are, again, signals of peace negotiations and something blows up, and the whole process repeats.

      If you look at it objectively, the only way out is to continue the peace negotiations despite some bomber. The bombers will always be there! There are extermists on both sides. The challenge is to come together and fight them.

      Or at least that's the way I see it. I'm not in the US, not in the Middle East, and I really don't understand the whole fucking mess about some piece of land. If Jerusalem is the problem here, give it to UN control and make it a neutral territory and that's it.

    10. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate replying to this, but I've got karma to burn too just like you two. *and with that statement, /me sits back and waits for the karma to accumulate*

    11. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by mad44 · · Score: 1
      You, Sir, are a racist...

      You have dehumanized Palestinians in your mind to such a degree that you don't even attempt to think that maybe they have some reason to make them choose death(in a horrible way) than to negotiate for a peaceful agreement.

      A month ago I had a conversation with a Palestinian guy(no he doesn't have a beard, and he is exactly the opposite of your stereotypical image in your mind). He told me the story of a second suicide bomber girl. The girl's brother was shot to death in the street by Israeli soldiers the week before, and that week her fiance was killed in a bombing of the Palestinian settlement at night by Israeli planes. At this point, he said, the girl must have figured out that instead of waiting to be the next in line, she would as well go kill herself taking some Israeli soldiers at the checkpoint with her.

      The guy said he is against suicide-bombers, he says it has nothing to do with Islam--Jihad--, it is just that those people have no hope whatsoever about their future. Even though you manage to live long enough to finish a college, you won't be able to find a stable job anyway.

      This morning, I watched in the news a story about an Israeli operation going wrong, exploding the wall of an house and killing the mother of a nine year old girl. The girl was crying (since you are a racist, to understand the feelings of this little girl, you should picture a blonde haired 9 year old girl with her blue eyes soaked with tears for her mother). Apparently, these were captured and aired by an Israeli TV and the army is pissed off with that TV station.

      There is no such thing as good-intentioned-races and bad-intentioned-races. And it is not the case that the lives of people of a certain race are more important than those of another race. Actually, no such thing as a race; we are just bunch of miserable creatures who were not able to figure out for thousands of years how to live in peace. Woe on us.

    12. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. The area would be better if the palestineans just buckled down and worked and stopped breeding like rats.

      The palestineans don't have a homeland because they don't deserve it. They're whiny and they seem to turn every place they set down into the equivalent of a box-city.

      I don't think much of the jews, but at least they do something useful, and don't sit around reading some wacky religious book and take it seriously.

      Jews pretend to do that, but from my vantage point jewish-ness is more cultural than religious, although part of that culture is to deny that basic fact. Its kinds of a conundrum.

      So I guess my point is that although I don't care for either side, I'd rather then jews win because at least its easy to understand what they want, and they're industrious. The palestineans in particular and basically nothing. They ought to practice making something of themselves befere they think they deserve a country. They don't even deserve a village from what I can see.

    13. Re:Only because you're a hypersensitive twit. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      * Bloodthirsty: To borrow from Tom Clancy, "Most of the Marines I know prefer beer." The soldiers I've known who had real combat time didn't glorify their experiences in the least. War is a savage and brutal act, the final extension of foreign policy, and its practitioners are sometimes required to undertake dangerous or distasteful tasks. Nonetheless, sometimes diplomacy fails (in the current case, when a bunch of religious zombies decided to turn the deaths of thousands of innocent people -- of all nations -- into a bloody public statement of hatred). When it does fail, soldiers must make war with justice, practiced skill, and swift surety, but never with unchecked agression.


      A good quote I've heard from several military and ex-military people is this 'You don't hate war half as much as they guys who have been there'. Most soldiers HATE combat, they don't want to be in combat, they despise it. The object of most operations is to avoid combat when at all possible. But when the shit hits the fan they have to be ready to go all out.
      So anyone bitching about the military, I may not like how our military is USED all the time, but I have the utmost repsect for the people in it!

      Kintanon

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  23. I've run that course by AlaskanUnderachiever · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's called "living in rural Alaska" and for anyone that's bored of the SEAL training, they should try cross country running. . . on tundra. . .at -50 below. . . while being chased by bison. . . in a blizzard. .

    all to get the sunday paper. . .

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    1. Re:I've run that course by Suppafly · · Score: 3, Funny

      you forgot "up hill, both ways! and we like it like that!"

    2. Re:I've run that course by rehannan · · Score: 2

      -50 below huh? Wouldn't that be, like, 50 above? :)

      Funny, they have that same thing (the -50 below bit) on a thermometer at The Hitching Post in Glennallen.

  24. Not Really Offended by SkulkCU · · Score: 2


    This guy was training civilians in, uh, Central Park. I could understand part of what you're saying, but I'm not sure attacking Slashdot for posting somebody's journal on physical training is particularly effective...

    I didn't believe the guy who said that after his first day, he had to wash his hair by spraying the Shampoo on the wall and rubbing his hair against the wall, into the shampoo. I believe him now.

    I happen to think that sort of thing is a bit amusing... sorry you don't agree...

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  25. Crazy by dimator · · Score: 2

    This crazy mo-fo just enouraged my ass to go get my EFX on for today.

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  26. I've just got this to say... by Cutriss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    32 comments by the time I post this one...I'd be willing to bet 25 of them didn't read the article, as that was *damn* long, and very insightful.

    Some specifics would have been a little nice. I'm sure the vast majority of the Slashdot readerbase is sitting above the ideal weight zone, after all, and I'm kinda curious what Pete's before/after weights were.

    And now I know I've *gotta* get a SportBrain. :D

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    1. Re:I've just got this to say... by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 1

      Um, he's sure to have lost weight in these two weeks, but the biggest quest isn't getting weight off, it is keeping it off. Doing a course like this may be a great kick-start and motivator, but its his and other overweight peoples habits that will keep it off and allow you to lose even more.

      What he lost now actually doesn't count that much. The question is whether he gained discipline and a habit he can sustain, perhaps by believeing more in himself or looking forward to the next course. If not, then this is just a gimmick, a fun ride, something for jock(ette)s to do as a lark.

      Personally, I recoiled in horror as I read this. I can't run, it simply does not work for me. But I lift, and have learned to enjoy it, and the habit is keeping me somewhat on the healthy side. Whatever works.

    2. Re:I've just got this to say... by mledet · · Score: 1

      Considering it is generally unhealty to lose more than 2-3 pounds a week, I'd say he lost 3- 5 pounds.

      Note: This is based on consistent weigh-ins, .i.e same time each day..

    3. Re:I've just got this to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now I know I've *gotta* get a SportBrain

      In Peters second go at the Seal training, he mentioned that SportBrain went out of business.

      He gives the name of the new thing he got (which is made my what was SportBrain's biggest competitor), but I forget the name of it and I'm too lazy to go find it now.

      Anyway, I agree.. A toy like that would be very cool.

      =-Jippy

    4. Re:I've just got this to say... by haystor · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that after 2 weeks he probably gained weight. Anytime you hit the body that hard in underused muscle areas, you'll put some muscle on faster than the fat comes off. But he'll probably enjoy a faster metabolism for the next couple weeks even with minimal exercise.

      As for lifelong habits, he broke the one about not exercising and that's a good start.

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    5. Re:I've just got this to say... by MrEnigma · · Score: 0

      It was the fit sense Linkified

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    6. Re:I've just got this to say... by Cutriss · · Score: 2

      Well, there are plenty of toys like that anyway - CNN/Headline News ran a medical article about two weeks ago showing six or seven of them, just following some medical press release that said that getting approx. 10,000 steps in a day was equivalent to your daily needed exercise.

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    7. Re:I've just got this to say... by coyote-san · · Score: 2

      That's not a "kickstart" program. It sounds like a great program once you've been working out for 6-12 months, but it's not something for couch potatoes.

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    8. Re:I've just got this to say... by geekfactory · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Thank you, Cutriss. I appreciate the compliments. :)

      Cheers,

      -Peter

  27. If its anything like punch the moneky... by ozzmosis · · Score: 1

    If its anything like punch the moneky I'll pass.

  28. Re:Chase the standards by dvdeug · · Score: 2

    Slashcode follows the open source coding and testing ethic of "it worked for me".

    Guess what - the W3 validator pukes on www.hotmail.com, whereas www.debian.org works just fine. Maybe, just maybe, it has nothing to do with whether it's open source or not.

    2. Perhaps Slashdot should consider switching to IIS 5.0 or .NET server and rewriting their code using a stable, reliable platform like Visual C++ or .NET. Perhaps only then will the browser compatbility issues will be resolved.

    These are just suggestions. I am here to help.


    Maybe it would help if you knew something about the subject. What programming language you write an HTML generator in is irrelevant, as is, for the most part, the server.

  29. Roids by Talisman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "did you lose anything else with the steroids?"

    Why you are curious about my nuts, I have no idea. But I'll answer, so you can sleep tonight.

    Testicular atrophy is normal while taking steroids, but if you only are on for short periods of time, they swell back to normal once you stop the cycle.

    If you take Clomiphene Citrate after a cycle, you can stay on for quite a while and still save your nads from perma-shrinkage.

    If you want to bukkake your girl, pop a few Clomid tabs and wait a few days. You'll be spurting ounces at a time. Here's a pic of my pet squirrel after having Clomid mixed into his feed for a few days.

    As for the phallus, steroids actually increase the size of it. Small balls, large crank. Who gives a shit about large nuts, anyway? Really, when was the last time you heard a bunch of chicks sitting around talking fondly of some guy's gigantic testes?

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    1. Re:Roids by davidmacq · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Only dumbasses brag about being mean and taking steroids. You can get big without the steroids, and they are probably why you are mean.

    2. Re:Roids by $uperjay · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Dear person: RYFL [read your fucking link].

      Anabolic steroids only make your wang bigger if you take them before or during puberty. Your own 'proof' says so. And really, taking steroids during or before puberty is a very, very bad idea.

    3. Re:Roids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you want to bukkake [georgekranz.com] your girl

      That would require for him/it to actually have a girl first.

    4. Re:Roids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you want to bukkake [georgekranz.com] your girl, pop a few Clomid tabs and wait a few days. You'll be spurting ounces at a time."

      That's interesting that its important to you to do that.

      That kind of rage against women is usually a defense against raging homosexuality.

      Mind you, nothing wrong with it, but you'll feel better if you just come out of the closet and admit your orientation.

  30. Re:Chase the standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Perhaps Slashdot should consider switching to IIS 5.0 or .NET server and rewriting their code using a stable, reliable platform like Visual C++ or .NET. Perhaps only then will the browser compatbility issues will be resolved.

    >I am here to help.

    Get thee to slash and start porting. Sheesh, if you want it fixed like that, its open source -- do it your own damn self. Its not like its illegal or something.

  31. I'm so out of shape... by pixel_bc · · Score: 1

    I'm so out of shape... my heart hurt just reading this guy's story.

    Me thinks I gotta get out a bit more.

  32. Not geeky enough. by sinserve · · Score: 2

    This article lacks several elements, to make it a good post:

    1) no images to mirror. KW feel left out.
    2) no cranky webserver. It has been an hour, and not sign of slashdotting.
    3) putting "navy seal" and "geek" is just cruel and merciles.
    4) "chase the rabbit". that sounds a lot like "punch the monkey".
    5) it is posted by michael. You really can't complain about michael. He is not taco or katz,
    and he is not a recurring item in the polls. Michael needs an scandal to make it in this business.
    For now he is way too clean cut, and perfect. I suggest he starts with a good handle.

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    1. Re:Not geeky enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You havn't heard about the censorware scandal have you?

    2. Re:Not geeky enough. by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      Mike has his enemies, check Seth Finkelstein or FortKnox's journals for info

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    3. Re:Not geeky enough. by Cadre · · Score: 2
      4) "chase the rabbit". that sounds a lot like "punch the monkey".

      Not only that, but they are just as annoying. I tried a couple "chasing the rabbits" after my run this morning and from the soreness I'm feeling now I found a couple muscle groups I didn't know I had...

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  33. Sure, I'll sign up by Flounder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Read the article. Took a look at the website for the training. They have a class for people like me. I'd even sign up, but the classes are only in Houston and NYC.

    And, who are people like me? Remember, not all geeks are 90 lbs soaking wet. 6'2", 375lbs. Yes, you read that right. I sit in front of a computer all day drinking Mt Dew Code Red, my ass has no where to go but out.

    Buying a treadmill, building a switch to turn off the TV unless I'm on and walking. At a regular stride, I can walk all day (and have). If this don't at least get me down to the point where I can take a PT class like this one, I'll die fat.

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    1. Re:Sure, I'll sign up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just some friendly words of advice: mechanical constraints are not the right approach, you'll (perhaps even subconsciously) find a way around them. You must enforce with your willpower.

    2. Re:Sure, I'll sign up by alec314159 · · Score: 0

      375 lb?! How do you manage to type? Your fingers must be like 3 inches thick. Are there special types of keyboards for your people? I'm just curious.

    3. Re:Sure, I'll sign up by jso888 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, c'mon. Having no equipment or not being in Houston / NYC is no excuse for not working out.

      I used to be in decent shape back in the day; I could run a four and a half minute mile. I had a 32 inch waist.

      Then I started a Web development company and ran it for five years. A lot of time was spent sitting behind a computer, eating badly and drinking obscene amounts of Coca Cola, or in airports, eating crappy airport food. At the end of my five year run, most my muscle mass had turned to flab. I could barely run a mile in any amount of time, and had a 38" waist.

      I finally left the company last spring. I got off my ass, started doing 20 to 30 minutes of calisthetics every other day, ate healthier, and was back down to a 32" waist in about 6 months. The only thing left to do is work on my cardiovascular conditioning, which should take about an hour of jogging or swimming three days a week, and to quit smoking.

      If you can't find the motivation to do a sum total of five hours of exercise a week, you've got bigger problems. Like dying prematurely from heart disease.

      You don't need to be able to take that class, or build your treadmill torture machine. You already have all you need to get into reasonable shape.

    4. Re:Sure, I'll sign up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck! Remember that you can still be "overweight" and strong as hell with days of endurance. It is a big lifestyle commitment though, but you can do it!

  34. from the article by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting thing of note - Instructor Walston has done an Ironman Triathlon - Without the bike. He RAN 141 miles in one day. Can you imagine that?

    To be honest, no, I can't imagine that. It's highly improbable.

    The New York City marathon is 26 miles, and the winner usually does it in about 2 hours; and is completely wiped out. I believe it's quite impossible to run 141 miles in a single day, even for a world class runner.

    Coincidentally, the Marathon des Sables in Morocco is 141 miles as well, and that takes 7 days to run.

    1. Re:from the article by Fortuna+Wolf · · Score: 1

      I say, its possible, but only for a man being chased by the dmca.
      you walk from between 1-5 miles an hour or so,
      the fastest sprinters can do 15-20 or something, I'm not quite sure on the numbers.
      But, standard running is between 5-10 miles an hour,
      if he's running at 8 miles an hour, which is a decent pace but not too strenous, like a brisk jog I think, he only needs to keep it up for 18 hours, and we all know that you can stay awake for that long...
      I can walk for 18 hours, and I'm not fit. I think he can do it...

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    2. Re:from the article by Raindeer · · Score: 3, Informative
      he New York City marathon is 26 miles, and the winner usually does it in about 2 hours; and is completely wiped out. I believe it's quite impossible to run 141 miles in a single day, even for a world class runner.

      sorry, but you're wrong 141 miles equals 226,91694 kilometers. Below here I paste the overall best distance of The Netherlands' best Ultrarunners in the 24 hour category:

      01 Ron Teunisse 251.949 Apeldoorn-'90

      02 Wim Epskamp 249.694 Uden-'00

      03 Wim bart Knol 225.636 Apeldoorn-'95
      I found this at: http://www.ultraned.org/uitslagen/ranglijst.php?it em=8

      I do however belief that this drill sergeant is probably bragging.

    3. Re:from the article by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2

      Actually, I believe it easily. I live in an apartment complex that frequently houses SEALs and Marines, and believe me, some of these guys are in inhuman shape. One of my former neighbors, a Marine hand-to-hand combat instructor at a nearby base, would go out and run 20+ miles on his own (outside of the USMC-mandated routines) on an extremely frequent basis. With 75+ lbs in his pack. Up and down the local mountains (acutally driving to said mountains would be beneath him, so he ran to them). This guy has a physique that would reduce a professional body-builder to tears.

      It brings to mind one of my own experiences, which involved an extremely ugly data recovery project (gee... the person in charge of backups never bothered to make sure that the tapes actually fucking worked). I was leading the team in charge of rebuilding (by hand) several corrupted databases full of transactions, and merging them back into the live data set. I literally worked slightly over 100 hours straight, slept 8 hours, and then worked 20 more before taking a week off. It's a funny thing - once you learn to ignore parts of your brain telling you that you can't possibly go on, it's really amazing what you can do. To this day I tell this story, and people are always saying "no fucking way; that's impossible!" It's hard to describe, but when you're doing something like that, you just ... do it. Ever since then I've really known that all of that crap they tell you about your limitations being in your head is entirely 100% true. Basically, you can force yourself to do pretty much anything, several orders of magnitude beyond what you believe your physical and / or mental limits are. Oh, and yes, I got an extremely fat bonus for that project.

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    4. Re:from the article by nomadic · · Score: 2

      I live in an apartment complex that frequently houses SEALs and Marines, and believe me, some of these guys are in inhuman shape.

      There's a different between being in great shape and being a world class runner. At that level you need more than just mental or physical toughness, you also need superb natural ability and years upon years of training.

      It doesn't matter how much willpower you have, or how physically tough you are; while marine instructors tend to be in superb shape, there's a big difference between that and a professional athlete. You're not going to outrun Haile Sebrassie on willpower alone, or lift more than Hossein Rezazadeh just because you push yourself.

    5. Re:from the article by shlong · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't heard of Ultra Distance running. My former boss is heavily into it, and has done a few 100 mile races in under 24 hours. 100 miles, through the central Rockies, with 11,000 feet of elevation climb. Totally nuts. 141 miles might be a stretch, but not by a whole lot.

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    6. Re:from the article by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2

      Oh, I'm not saying they are necessarily world-class atheletes, just that I wouldn't put such feats past them; I would lend far more credence to any such claims (despite their occasional tendency towards, shall we say, hyperbole) than I would to those coming from other people. Any while willpower alone can only do so much for speed and strength, it can do exceptional things for endurance.

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    7. Re:from the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never, ever, ever think that anything is impossible for a SEAL.
      I do find it humourous that a bunch of people payed $495 to be yelled at for 20 hours by one; I got 160 hours worth for free.

    8. Re:from the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the saddest, most pathethic comparison ever, even by slashdot nerd standards. You go from talking about the running endurance of Navy Seals you live with to your marathon 100 hour backup-tape data recovery project? Were you wearing a 32 ounce Mountain Dew and and huge bag of Doritos strapped to your back as well?

    9. Re:from the article by Ratbert42 · · Score: 2

      There's a different between being in great shape and being a world class runner.

      There's also a difference between running for sport and running because someone behind you is going to kill you.

    10. Re:from the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the man in question is a SEAL, he's likely to be the guy behind you.

    11. Re:from the article by Omerna · · Score: 2

      Well, a guy I know (and trust, he wasn't joking) once told me about a friend of his. Former Marine. His girlfriend lived ~50 miles away, and on the weekends he'd run there in the morning and back at night. Or if he wanted to do some *training* he'd pick a direction and run until he got tired, then turn around and run back. I think that SEALs are more physically fit then Marines (at least in the water, don't know about land) so I think it *might* be possible, though I think he probably exxagerated his time.

      "Coincidentally, the Marathon des Sables in Morocco is 141 miles as well, and that takes 7 days to run."
      Ah, but that's only 20.2 miles a day. Easily doable if you pace yourself. I believe armies used to travel around that distance everyday (marching), so a competitor could probably do about 40 a day pushing it.

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    12. Re:from the article by Mark+Gordon · · Score: 2

      That site... are they talking miles or kilometers?

    13. Re:from the article by Raindeer · · Score: 2

      The Netherlands is using the metric system. All those numbers are in kilometers.

  35. As a reward for your hard work... by theCURE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why don't you buy yourself one asskicking!?

    PAIN IS PLEASURE!
    gogogo!

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  36. WOW! by ceethree · · Score: 0, Troll

    I read this article all the way through and all i have to say is wow i dont think i could do that i mean it is hard , i would like to do it but i am too lazy and dont have enough self-esteem and willpower to do it .. i give you alot of congrats .. cause i know how hard it would be to do something like that .. and i say . good job . and i really admire you ! I really do .. good luck with your life and i just have to say , keep trying i think everyone has issues with if they look fat and stuff like that . I think i look fat for my size .. but my dr says i am at the perfect weight for my age and also i am beginning to be able to see muscles in my arms and i am getting a 6-pack instead of a flabby gut and this is a person who sits on his butt all day and programs... (C++ , Delphi) but about 2 months ago i started to lift weights and run and do pushups/situps every day (20 of each) and run 1 lap around our school track .. and it is slowly getting me in shape i said earlier that i couldnt do that i KNOW i couldnt .. but i know i can and will do what i have been doing and try to at least stay in shape .. i hope i havnt bored you with my rambling but i thought i should show everyone who cared to look my little ramblings !

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  37. Re:Hrrph, What a loser... by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

    tried this approach, they didnt want me. its amazing what a totally remissive condition at age 10 can do to your chances of ever serving in the military. now i just laugh at them when they try to get me to enroll in the "Selective Service" (AKA Draft registration).

  38. Wow.. great read! by CLorox · · Score: 1

    That is without a doubt the best link I have ever had the opportunity to read on slashdot. It actually had me pumped up thinking about it. Sounds like that course is like going one on one with Tony Robbins on speed and actually going through basic. Kudos, for a year old story I am glad I had a chance to read it. I think its time to huck this pack of smokes in the trash and get motivated :)

  39. look it's a rabbit... by NetGyver · · Score: 1

    "that's no ORRRRDINARRRY RABBIT!"

    someone had to say it :)

    A penny for my thoughts? Here's my two cents. I got ripped off.

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  40. Fascinating by Pope+Slackman · · Score: 1, Troll

    While the Military-grade cybernetic sack sounds like an ideal nut transportation device, is it still suitable for teabagging?

    Would it cause abrasions on the teabaggee's forehead or tongue?
    Would the moist environment of say, a mouth, have any effect on the performance of the sack,
    such as causing it to short out and shock the teabaggee, or worse, the sack's owner?

    C-X C-S

    1. Re:Fascinating by I+have+nutsack · · Score: 0, Interesting

      The Nüsse(tm) super satchel has been tested in all environments. As stated in the primary post in which its existence was revealed, it was originally used following the tragic accident of astronaut Steve Austin.

      As such, the initial environment in which it was tested was a vacuum. It was subsequently tested in various aquatic and desert environments, and was given the highest rating by the National Steering Committee on Transportation. It's one of the most functionally efficient nut transportation satchels ever built, with a 600 meter depth rating (for aquatic environments, much like the locale in which "teabagging" takes place, I'm sure) as well as a durable outer casing constructed from an advanced Kevlar-type material.

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  41. Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are really two types of geeks:

    The first is the simpsons watching, game playing, cube farm dwelling geek who likes lots of remote controls and whose programming is limited to the stuff at work.

    The second type are the ones who do devote 110% of themselves to something they love.

    Four day straight coding binges, countless hours of research and self-education IMHO far exceed the effort put forth by soldiers for one simply reason. There is no instructor screaming at this person to force them to give so much.

    Don't get me wrong, I do have a great deal of respect for people who can go through this, but I am a little disturbed at the suggestion that this being a geek simply means that one gives "50%" of themselves and sits around playing with their cats all day.

    That instructor may seem like a tough guy, but in reality, how does his efforts make the world a better place? Sure, the military is important, but militaries are only relavant to the present. Colin Powell may be remember as a great leader, perhaps for a few decades, but I truely believe that Richard Stallman will have a place in history as a revolutionary (atleast, for a century or so).

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    1. Re:Odd overtones by miracle69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The second type are the ones who do devote 110% of themselves to something they love.

      It should be noted that to become a Navy Seal, or a member of any other branch of the U.S. Armed forces, one must volunteer .

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    2. Re:Odd overtones by i7dude · · Score: 1

      "That instructor may seem like a tough guy, but in reality, how does his efforts make the world a better place?"

      he makes the world a better place by training people to protect our country/freedoms so that people like us can take them for granted and post shit here.

      i agree just because some people are 100% geek and have no desire to be built or in shape doesnt make them half a man/woman...however, there are many here who believe that because somebody does make that choice they are either stupid or compensating for a lack of [pick your favorite] in their lives...honestly as long as people arent selling crack on my street corner whatever contribution to society they choose to make is a positive one.

      dude.

    3. Re:Odd overtones by Paradoxish · · Score: 1

      Alright, my posts on Slashdot generally consist of simple replies or Mac-bashing rants. I don't complain about off-topicness, about trolls, rejected submissions, or crap like that. But I've gotta say it... WHY THE HELL was this modded as a troll? This post makes a bunch of great points (some of them probably unintended) and doesn't seem like it was intended as a troll at all. I don't think the two groups accurately describes all geeks (heh, I don't live in a cube, but I've been known to spend days on end coding personal projects wall watching the Simpsons and taking breaks to play games..), but it really is important to realize that extreme physical exertion inflicted on oneself to not look like a quitter isn't the only form of disciplined devotion out there.

      For some people it's a great thing and I have loads of respect for someone who can go through this. On the other hand, some people just aren't into it. I'm in a pretty good physical shape, I spent a long time doing serious amounts of exercise in a day, and in the end I just decided it was pointless. I don't have any great need to be in great shape and have people look up to me because of it nor do I feel like I need to prove something to myself or anyone.

      Is there really a downside to do a lot of exercise every day and being in good shape? Of course not, but for a lot of people there are better ways to spend those 90-120 minutes.

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    4. Re:Odd overtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sure, the military is important.

      It surely is if you support killing people.

    5. Re:Odd overtones by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      The 50% effort thing didn't apply to just geeks, it applied to people in general, and he's right. Think about it.

      The point is that most people, even if they work 200 times harder than your average person, are not working at their full capacity. It's probably not a good idea to work yourself that hard all the time, but life should be about challenging yourself like this.

      As for what the good this is doing... isn't it blindinly obvious to you what this drill instructor is doing? He's inspiring people. He's letting people realize how much they can do.

      Not everyone knows their limits.

    6. Re:Odd overtones by glwtta · · Score: 2
      That instructor may seem like a tough guy, but in reality, how does his efforts make the world a better place?

      I'd say even just the one two week course that may improve the fitness level (or even just attitude) of 20 or so people is more important than any LIMS I may code.

      What's the point of doing our "improve the standards of living" geeky shit if we are just watching the counry slip further and futher into the abyss of obesety that it surely is heading to?

      In any case, doing hard things that you like, is easy. It really is, precisely because you are so dedicated to it, is it possible to stay up for 3 days coding and not think of it as "hard." It's doing things that you don't like, and which are hard, that's difficult.

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    7. Re:Odd overtones by oasamostexianu · · Score: 1

      It is by the actions of men like him that you can sit on your ass and code all day.

    8. Re:Odd overtones by zapfie · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I do have a great deal of respect for people who can go through this, but I am a little disturbed at the suggestion that this being a geek simply means that one gives "50%" of themselves and sits around playing with their cats all day.

      I don't think he means just geeks. A lot of the population would give up after trying something like this- the ability to complete something this hard is not something you are born with, it is something you have to decide on and earn day by day. I think what he means is that most people don't really push themselves to this point.. having had similar experiences to this guy, it really is amazing how far you can push yourself. You always think, "I'm worn out, I can't possibly do anymore," but you do, and you learn a little more day by day that your limits are way more than you thought they were. So by 50% I don't think he really means people sit around being lazy asses, just that most people have never really pushed themselves to see how far they can go.

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    9. Re:Odd overtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...I truely believe that Richard Stallman will have a place in history as a revolutionary (atleast, for a century or so."

      I read this to my mother...
      Her response?
      "Richard who now?"

      Yup. He's secured his place in history.

    10. Re:Odd overtones by Ummagumma · · Score: 0

      Um, let me remind you that the military is all volunteers, who **put thier lives on the line** for ideals they belive in.

      You stay up all night coding and think you deserve respect? pfft. You think you 'far exceed the effort put forth by soldiers'? PFFFFT.

      Have you ever sat in a foxhole for DAYS, hoping to god you can get a warm meal, and some dry clothes? Have you ever feared for you life? I mean really feared? What hardships have you borne for your ideals? Drinking nothing but Dr. Pepper on a 3 day coding binge doesnt count.

      I think you need to take a step back from yourself, and realize that without the people in the military, the world would be a whole nastier place.

      You, sir, are a buffoon.

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    11. Re:Odd overtones by Ummagumma · · Score: 0

      I almost forgot to add - but it was a pleasure and and honor to protect you and your type for 10 years of my life.

      You're welcome.

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    12. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 2

      Well, I work on the software that runs all the Navy ships and I've seen alot of programmers bust their asses to get the stuff to work.

      Without that software, it doesn't matter how tought these guys are because they would get raped in the field just as the Taliban is getting raped in Afganstian.

      Don't get me wrong, I respect these guys (I work with lots of them) but I'm just saying that there are programmers that work just as hard, and harder, than these guys. It's just a different kind of work.

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    13. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 2

      Exercise is an interesting thing to me. I am not out of shaped (I watch what I eat and lead a somewhat active life) but I am not in wonderful shape either. I believe that life should be lived to its fullest possible extent. If given the choice between exercising to obtain a 'six-pack' or reading a book I will read the book.

      To me, reading a book is something that is going to improve myself for the rest of my life. Working out is a fleeting improvement at best and serves little purpose other than vanity (unless of course one is obese).

      Remember though, healthy weight is a pretty wide range and doesn't mean 7% body fat. A person who exercises constantly can actually be more unhealthy than one who just watchs the things they eat.

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    14. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 2

      I'd say even just the one two week course that may improve the fitness level (or even just attitude) of 20 or so people is more important than any LIMS I may code.

      If the code you are referring to is a new version of Duke Nukem or some silly number game then I may agree. If the code you are referring to is software to help poor schools use the internet or to allow individuals to collabrate throughout the world to improve technology, then I have to disagree with you.

      This guy surely didn't sound obese to me when he started this thing. He was looking for vanity weight loss. Such weight loss is highly overrated by society today. Most people don't realize that a guy with 7% body fat is not neccessarily healther than a guy with 10% fat. In fact, body fat does provide a useful function and having such a low amount of it is taking a gamble with one's health.

      In any case, doing hard things that you like, is easy. It really is, precisely because you are so dedicated to it, is it possible to stay up for 3 days coding and not think of it as "hard." It's doing things that you don't like, and which are hard, that's difficult.

      The love that I'm referring to is the sharing of ideas. The 3 day coding binges are not anymore enjoyable than the pushups this guy was doing. Its typing, its monatous, but its neccessary.

      I think most people have trouble understanding what I say because while they have truely worked out there body at least once in their life, they have not truely worked out their mind. To me, that is much more depressing of the two. The human mind is the only thing that man was given over the animals. To neglect and abuse it perhaps the greatest sin man can commit.

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    15. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 1

      I almost forgot to add - but it was a pleasure and and honor to protect you and your type for 10 years of my life.

      You're welcome.


      Man, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you fought for this country with your bare hands and defeated all the countries that are attacking us by swimming across the Atlantic or Pacific.

      Come on. The guns that solidiers use, the software that gathers and analyzes data from the radar, the missiles and their guidance systems. Where do you think that comes from? I had the pleasure of working on software for the Navy and the thing that always bothered me was that while all the programmers truely respects the solidiers that went out and used the software, few respected the incredible effort that alot of these guys put into getting the software to work.

      A lot of these guys work countless hours for little pay because they believe in what they are doing. A solidier is useless without technology. Take a look at Desert Storm, or Operation Infinite Justice. I'm sorry if I ask for a little respect to be paid to the guys who spend 10 years of their lives without taking vacation making 30K a year so that these ultimately heoric solidiers can fly a plain and push a button to drop a bomb.

      I have a good deal of respect for military personnel but they really tend to have such inflated egos.

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    16. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 2

      Then ask her who Plato is, or Socrates. Ask her where they are from. Ask her who Rosseau is, or who Gutenberg is. Then ask her who Brittany Spears is.

      That is not a reflection on Stallman, but a reflection on the ignorance of the common man. It doesn't matter if the comman man remembers Stallman, but I do believe that most people in technology will remember him, and thats all thats important.

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    17. Re:Odd overtones by geekfactory · · Score: 1
      Anthony: No disrepect intended towards Geeks or anyone else - I never meant that Geeks only give 50% - quite the opposite - Geeks, by nature, are very competitive. They believe in their ideas, and they like to win.

      I simply meant that we, as a whole people, tend to give 50% because that's what we're used to, and when we go beyond that for the first time, it's an amazing feeling - i.e., that's when the magic happens.

      Cheers,

      -Peter

    18. Re:Odd overtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... did I mention that she's a history teacher?
      My point was that in the general history books, Stallman will not be remembered as anyone terribly important. Free software will not make or break this world. (And even if it did, Richard Stallman is not the sole creator/defender of free software.)
      Whereas mostly everyone knows who Powell is. I guess... my point might have been... that the poster was... I dunno... wrong?
      Yeah. That seems like a good word.

    19. Re:Odd overtones by zapfie · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to disagree with you. Working out is not a fleeting improvement at best. If you are using exercise simply as a vehicle to look better, then you'd be right. But exercise isn't just a bunch of guys sitting in a gym seeing how tough they can get. If you join any kind of team that focuses on exercise (like this guy did, or crew, or anything), it becomes a lot more. I joined my schools crew team because I wanted to get in shape, but what I got out of it was the ability to push myself to new limits, and form a true bond with the people I work with. I would have to say it's been one of the most rewarding things I have done with my life. The harder you push yourself, the more you realize the barriers are mental, and not physical. Just keep in mind 'six-packs' are not the goal of everyone who exercises. When I started, that was my primary goal, but now, it is to see how hard I can push myself, and being in shape is just a nice side bonus.

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    20. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 1

      So, the side effect of exercise is that one develops greater self-discipline and learning how to work with individuals.

      Now, this is the side effect of vanity, as you yourself point out. My entire point is that there are people out there would develop those skills as the direct effect of trying to obtain them. In my very humble opinion, that is much more respectable.

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    21. Re:Odd overtones by lkaos · · Score: 2

      No disrepect intended towards Geeks or anyone else - I never meant that Geeks only give 50% - quite the opposite - Geeks, by nature, are very competitive. They believe in their ideas, and they like to win.

      What I was referring to was the general idea of the most of the posts at the time which was leading to: "Man, geeks waste their time and should be out exercising."

      I am simple trying to illustrate that there are better ways to spend one's time. I have to say, I think everyone - including geeks - do not even give nearly 50% of themselves. I do not think that would change though if everyone went out and joined the military or attempted similiar training routines.

      The other point I was trying to make is that it would be better for society if instead of finding oneself by hardcore exercise, one found themself through hardcore learning.

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    22. Re:Odd overtones by glwtta · · Score: 2
      If the code you are referring to is a new version of Duke Nukem or some silly number game then I may agree.

      That's why I specified a LIMS (or, a Laboratory Information Management System), mainly because it's kind of what I do, and also because I see it as something having use (the exact opposite of a Duke Nukem game) - it helps research, it helps find new cures for diseases, is eventually helps save lives (hypothetically).

      I wasn't actually just talking about weight loss (and if think if you read the thing you know that's not what it was about, either), whatever a person can lose in two weeks, they can gain back in two days. I was talking more about attitude, about realizing that staying in good shape (however subjective that may be, I am not talking 5% bodyfat here) is not only necessary but is also enjoyable. And it sounds to me, at least, that the two weeks that guy described, is just the kind of kick in the pants that would get a lot of people on their way.

      The coding binges must be a subjective thing - I, for one, enjoy them; I do what I like, and I see immediate results from doing it. Certainly it's mentaly and sometimes even physically tiring, but I have a definite goal in front of me, that I am good at accomplishing. If I didn't like it, I very much doubt I'd be doing it.

      To neglect and abuse it perhaps the greatest sin man can commit.

      Talk of "sin" and "given" and such nonsense aside - I would've agreed with you before, but recently I am finding more and more that neglecting and abusing your body is really not any less depressing of the two.

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    23. Re:Odd overtones by zapfie · · Score: 1

      Vanity is an unduly high opinion of one's own abilities or worth. If people get the benefit of exercise and think that it makes them all that and a bag of chips, that's vanity. Just earning these things, whether for yourself or someone else, is not really vanity, IMO. I agree with you in that people who find it in themselves to push themselves on their own is very respectable, but whether to benefit yourself or your team, you still have to put in the effort, which in itself can be no small feat. The ability to push yourself that hard is what I find respectable.

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  42. Computer Geek? by wdr1 · · Score: 1

    According to the guy's resume, his past job titles have been:

    - CEO of his own company
    - Director of Marketing
    - Director of New Media
    - Editor/Producer
    - Report/Photo Stringer

    I think it's cool they guy did all that, but isn't calling him a "computer geek" misleading, if not just *wrong*?

    -Bill

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    1. Re:Computer Geek? by HobbitGod42 · · Score: 0

      you need not be in the IT field to be a computer geek. just having a large interest in computers is enough now a days...

    2. Re:Computer Geek? by wdr1 · · Score: 1

      you need not be in the IT field to be a computer geek. just having a large interest in computers is enough now a days...

      I guess that explains timothy and michael.

      -Bill

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  43. But he didn't actually chase any rabbits... by dbc · · Score: 2, Funny
    Very interesting read. What that guy did would waste me. Would waste most of us, I would guess.


    But I digress... back in ancient times when I was in high school and the USA was still sending folks to the moon, one of my track team buddies, a distance man, would train by literally chasing rabbits. Until they dropped. Dead. From heat exhaustion. He would simply go out to a back pasture in the farm, scare up a fluffy bunny, and chase him. He claimed it made training runs less boring. Turns out rabbits are quick but can't take long runs because they overheat. So anyway I took the headline a little too literally.


    Animal lovers will probably now start a flame war on this thread. But I'm just a reporter here. I don't endorse it. Gramps is going back to his rocking chair now.

    1. Re:But he didn't actually chase any rabbits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, I thank you.

      Because of you, I'll finally get in shape.. I refuse to stop until I've chased a rabbit to death.

      *snicker* I'm serious.

    2. Re:But he didn't actually chase any rabbits... by RFC959 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eyup. Humans are one of a very few creatures that are good at travelling very long distances. Lots of creatures can go faster than us over short distances, but very few can beat us in the long run. There were actually South American natives who'd hunt deer by walking after them. They'd find a trail and follow it. When they got close to the deer, it would run, and put some distance between itself and the hunters. They'd just keep following it, and it would have to run again. Eventually it would tire and be unable to run any more...and they'd be able to just walk right up to it.

    3. Re:But he didn't actually chase any rabbits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd heard a similar story from a Physical Anthropology teacher.

      He claimed that he'd done some of his fieldwork with a native american tribe, and had met a couple brothers who hunted deer by just following them until they couldn't run any further. They'd then kill the deer with a knife. Supposedly they used this method because they were poor and couldn't afford ammunition for a rifle.

      True or just a silly story? I don't know. But what I found interesting was the idea that the relative hairlessness of humans is an adaptation to allow the shedding of lots of body heat during hunting.

    4. Re:But he didn't actually chase any rabbits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I hear, native hunters in Siberia used
      to do such things. I think it is pretty likely to
      be true.

      --Coder

  44. I'd recommend things like this to anyone. by zapfie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This reminds me a lot of my time on our schools crew team.. We haven't gone through what this guy did, but we go through hell and go through it together. When I started, I joined because I wanted to get in shape. However, what I have gotten out of it is the ability and willingness to push myself to new levels, and the chance to be able to be part of a true team. Yes, it sucks, but it is extremely rewarding. To anyone out there who has never really done something like crew or PT training, I would highly recommend it. The first few weeks will be hell (so will the rest of it, but you'll be used to it by then), but it will end up being one of the most rewarding things you have ever done for yourself.

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    1. Re:I'd recommend things like this to anyone. by dublin · · Score: 2

      Reading this brought back memories... Peter Shankman is right that the most impressive thing about this sort of activity is learning that your real limits are FAR, FAR beyond where you think they are, even after you've passed the point of "can't go another step..." That's an important lesson, and one that sadly, most people never learn.

      In my case, it wasn't SEAL training, but rather PT in the Texas Aggie Corps of Cadets, where "crap-outs" were a regular part of one's existence, especially in the freshman "fish" year. I didn't start out as a terribly motivated student, and I can honestly say that it was the Corps that kept me in college - I was already capable of making a pretty decent living in computers or experimental stress analysis before I got there, so the money/success angle of college wasn't really a motivator for me, but the comaraderie was.

      This sort of PT is **invaluable**, but is all too often categorized as "hazing" in today's ridiculously whiny PC culture. (I somehow doubt that today's cadets have to snake-crawl through pig crap, but they should. It builds character - and I'm completely serious.) There really is quite a lot to the old-fashioned military training idea of tearing down the old man in order to build up the new - the experience is invaluable. Despite what the whiners say about never letting someone "abuse" them like that, it is paradoxically exactly that sort of humility and dedication to teamwork with one's classmates that builds the character required to truly act as an individual.

      Interestingly, it's quite possible that the sort of "crap-out for hire" service described by Shankman may be the only thing short of real BUD/S training that will push you that far anymore. (I'm *sure* there are bulletproof waivers required in which participants give up rights to legal action for any and all abuse, physical or mental.)

      Anywhow, if anyone is looking for a good, well-rounded educational experience, I highly recommend Texas A&M (damn good engineering/technical school anyway) and membership in the Corps of Cadets. The great General George S. Patton may have said it best: "Give me an army of West Point graduates and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war!"

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    2. Re:I'd recommend things like this to anyone. by zapfie · · Score: 1

      =) It's good to hear the stories of others with similar experiences. It really is an invaluable lesson that is sadly never learned by many people.

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  45. Oops by pepik_knize · · Score: 1

    The only reason I clicked on this story was because I thought it said, "Chase the Rabbis." I was hoping for photos.

    (Don't get mad, my girlfriend's Jewish.)

  46. arrows by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    it's very simple, you see - a single arrow breaks easily, however a bundle of them is much stronger!

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    1. Re:arrows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why all the faggots in this world will never be crushed.

  47. Shampoo Willy's Heroin Confession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ten days?

    What a lamer. Ten Days? Who are you kidding?

    You've think you've achieved something, yet your exegesis is merely a way of working in you live on 43rd street with a doorman. Yawn.

    Maybe if you were an athlete in school this would seem willy nilly. But you force your junk on others in a most uncomfortable way. Reminds me of Dean Koontz, in a most uncomfortable way.

  48. Could this prevent the CBDTPA? by NanoGator · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but wouldn't this mean that the CBDTPA would require companies to pay this dumb license... but what if the companies paid the company NOT to license the technology. Could that mean that the CBDTPA wouldn't legally be possible?

    Maybe I totally misread that doc, I dunno. I'm not sure that stopping the CBDTPA would be worth the other damage this would do. But just for curiosity's sake...

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  49. It IS possible, but unlikely by ebakunin · · Score: 1

    Yannis Kouros, considered the greatest ultra-long-distance runner of all time, can run 153 miles in 20 hours, 25 minutes. If Kouris played basketball, he'd make Jordan look bad. He's that far beyond the competition. It's possible that a Navy SEAL drill instructor could run 141 miles in 24 hours, but I'd bet against it in the office pool.

  50. Re:Roids-suirrel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the name of the squirrel? Rockey?

  51. But he didn't actually chase any rabbits...dinner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well let's see. Excercise, and after...dinner.
    Sounds like a plan.

  52. no way by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wouldn't do this. it might get me in better shape, but all that's good for is getting you laid - if you have the personality to back up the looks.

    I have a horrible personality to most women. So being in shape won't give me any advantage in life that isn't immediately nullified by my basic nature.

    Hence, exercising is useless to me.

    At least I quit smoking, but only because I hated the smell and it made my eyes burn.

    1. Re:no way by agusus · · Score: 1

      Uh, you're serious? Your post sounds like you're serious... but to actually believe that... well, I don't want to be insulting...
      Anyway, there are lots of benefits of exercise.
      Here's some info, gathered from a Google search:

      http://www.csmngt.com/ABenefits.htm

      http://www.gsu.edu/~wwwfit/benefits.html

      So if you still think that exercise isn't important or valuable, I would guess that you're experiencing denial.

    2. Re:no way by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 2

      I think you'll find that excercising is a feedback loop toward your personality. Once you get to a point where you see improvement, there is a greater motivation to do more excerise and that drive reflects upon the rest of your life. Moral of the story: Get yourself a buddy and give it a shot. There are only positive effects (unless you cheat and use 'roids)

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    3. Re:no way by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      that's what everyone says. but then there's this truism:

      Eat right, exercise, get plenty of rest, die anyway.

      Life being ultimately pointless, why make the journey even harder?

    4. Re:no way by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      the benefits of looking and feeling better are non-sequitur. why punish myself when all I'm doing is plodding on aimlessly in a meaningless existence?

    5. Re:no way by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1

      what i was trying to get at is that the journey is easier and better once you're healthy and in shape. Yes, it's hard to get to that point, but once you get to the point where you see some results, it's money. Give yourself three weeks. Start lifting and doing a little cardio. Trust me, I was a fat bastard once upon a time.

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  53. I guess I'll vote Repulican from now on.. by kfckernal · · Score: 1

    Taken from the wired story: A bill introduced this week by Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-South Carolina)...

    Please remember this name during election time if you live in SC.

    1. Re:I guess I'll vote Repulican from now on.. by kfckernal · · Score: 1

      erm...wrong story..hey look its 3:30am!

    2. Re:I guess I'll vote Repulican from now on.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is it the wrong story, but if thats how you're going to do your voting do us all a favor and sit out.

  54. PT Programs for Home by Redking · · Score: 2

    In case you want to get in shape (and/or prepare for BUD/S or Ranger School).

    Google Cache: www.sealchallenge.navy.mil/workout.htm
    Google Cache: www-benning.army.mil/rtb/ranger/physicaltraining.h tm

    w00t!

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    1. Re:PT Programs for Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.superiorathlete.com

      For anyone no where near Central Park, look this guy up. He's been there.

  55. New Category for /. by Bosconian · · Score: 1

    Slashdot needs to design a new icon for the category of "masochism." Other stories might include the 3 month movie line campout for Episode II, the biographies of everyone ever partnered with Microsoft, and third-year CS students.

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    1. Re:New Category for /. by Leeji · · Score: 1

      Third year? Heh. I thought that was bad until my sleepless 4th year. Don't kid yourself. Interesting course titles don't mean that the course is any less difficult!

      It's a little more interesting, perhaps, but shit it's a lot of work.

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  56. Re:Chase the standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  57. Mind more than body by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've known several SEAL "rejects" and dropouts (injuries, etc.), and these guys are more fit than I'll ever be!

    The obstacles to entering Special Ops are more mental than physical. It's relatively easy to condition a body, it's hard to find a mind that combines "never quit" psychology and high intelligence. At least that's what a man with three tours in south east asia told me.

    1. Re:Mind more than body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty easy to find intelligent, self-motivated people. The problem lies in getting them to join the military.

    2. Re:Mind more than body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the military in general but not Special Operations. They have an endless supply of highly intelligent and highly motivated individuals to largely wash out and replace. There is actually greate debate over this in the military, it's a brain/leadership drain on regular units.

  58. Heart Rate by kwishot · · Score: 1

    "According to my heart rate monitor, my pulse spiked at 240 during those."

    !!!!!
    I'm 19 and my supposed "max heart rate" is 201.

    He sure was right with his next sentence - "By all rights, I should not only be dead, but my heart should have exploded so violently, that there shouldn't be enough left of me to put on a Triscuit."

    I intend on joining the Marine Corps (enlisted already...leaving in a few months) and after doing a decent run my heart rate is usually around 190 or so and I've been told that 190 is a "dangerously high" heart rate. Anyone have any insight on this? I mean... 240...that's insane!

    -kwishot

    1. Re:Heart Rate by ColaMan · · Score: 2

      Sure hope his monitor misread his pulse.
      240 beats per minute is *4 beats per second.*
      Have you tried tapping your finger on the table 4 times a second?

      Unless maybe you're a bird , or other small animal, 240BPM is *bad* for a heart that normally runs at 100BPM. Your heart does not have enough energy in reserve to do 240BPM for long.

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    2. Re:Heart Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heart rate monitors can read erroneously high due to vibration or other types of movement. I've seen mine read 240 before when I was only in the 140s.

      Most people have a max heart rate around 220 minus their age.

      Human heart rates above 210 are often a sign of atrial fibrillation, a serious but usually non-lethal heart condition.

    3. Re:Heart Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I read that, too, with a high degree of skepticism.

      I am by no means an advanced athlete. But I do live in Colorado, and do a fair amount of year round activity. On mountain and road rides around Boulder and Aspen, my heart rate has hit 180. And that was scary.

      I am 34, I live well in an athlete's culture, and that's my max. 240 would kill a couch potato, I fear.

      After reading that sotry, i am goin out for a bike ride. it is time to kill that winter weight.

    4. Re:Heart Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some heart rate monitors have problems with bad signal readings and can spike for a little while at WAY above what your heart rate is. And no, 190 is not dangerously high. You're pretty likely to see something like this when doing high-intensity excersize, and is difficult for most people to keep up for more than a few minutes.

    5. Re:Heart Rate by superdan2k · · Score: 1

      Okay, you're obviously using the (220 - Age) Function. Which is a outright crock. I'm 29, and my MHR is 216. Yes. 216. This happened this fall (2001) on a bike ride, charging up a long, steep hill in the big-ring. Granted, I felt like my heart was about to explode, but there it was on the heart rate monitor.

      190 = dangerously high? Right-o. For someone who is out-of-shape and never exercises, 190 = impending embolism. For someone who is an endurance athlete, 190 = business as usual.

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  59. Re:I've just got this to say... Good read? by Leeji · · Score: 1

    32 comments by the time I post this one...I'd be willing to bet 25 of them didn't read the article ... And now I know I've *gotta* get a SportBrain. :D



    The second one was insightful too...PPS With SportBrain gone, I picked up a new client last week...



    Then again, reading the two articles might have been nearly as grueling (but enjoyable) as the training itself :)

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  60. I've done a similar course by mengmeng · · Score: 1

    There's a similar course (it's three weeks, one hour each weekday morning, 5:30-6:30) in Austin, TX, and a _lot_ of tech people participate in it. In fact, the main co-instructor worked with me at an IT firm (we were both in QA). He got half our group to do it. It was a great experience. Lots and lots of fun (in retrospect, of course ;) ) They have a website at www.navysealconditioning.com

  61. Offtopic? by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Why was this modded as offtopic? I was asking if this patent holds can it prevent the SSSCA or whatever it's called now. Overrated I would understand, but offtopic? What was I supposed to do? Post "man, they suck for trying to enforce that."

    Gah. I doubt anybody'll give me a reasonable response.

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    1. Re:Offtopic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's offtopic because your post belongs with the story before this one... be careful where you post.

    2. Re:Offtopic? by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 2
      I'm not a moderator, but how about this:

      You posted to the WRONG FSCKING STORY!

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  62. On the other hand... by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the other hand, ever notice how almost all of the world's oldest people always say they smoked like chimneys and drank like fish and lived to a ripe old age anyway? ;-) The current oldest living person is that Japanese woman who thanked rice-wine for her longevity. The guy who runs the cigar shop down the street from me is a Cuban expatriate who's 78, looks and acts like a healthy 50, and smoked cigars all day every day from the time he was 11 until his 60s when he gave it up because it was affecting his ability to breathe easily, and so he switched to snuff.

    Yeah, I know, on the average people who "live healthy" will live longer. My philosophy is--ah, so what. Why do I want to be 90 anyway? I'll take 55 really good years of wine, women and song over 80 of running and bottled water. Give me pastries! Give me fine cuisine loaded with heavy creams and cheeses and red meats! Give me hand-rolled cigars! Give me Chateau d'Yquem when I can afford it and a cheap 5-liter box when I can't! And being a bit soft and pale may not look so great to the contemporary eye, but it's pleasing when touched nonetheless. I personally love the feeling when my big Homer Simpson tummy starts jiggling as a hot young lady pounds into me like a jackhammer. And when I can't find a hot young woman who wants to sleep with me, well, that's where http://www.bigdoggie.net comes in. :-o Most of us have or will have great jobs that pay well--what's the use of that, if we aren't going to use it to enjoy all of life's pleasures?

    I've got a full humidor, a few bottles of last fall's Beaujolais Nouveau in the fridge, and I'm still practically glowing from my appointment yesterday with a former runway model the likes of whom most thin athletic people will never get to enjoy in the sack--and she does things most girlfriends and wives won't do! So, if lots of exercise and healthy living turns you on, great, enjoy it. But it certainly isn't the only way to enjoy life to its fullest, thank you. I have exactly the life I want, and I'd take it over 20 extra years of a less indulgent one. :-)

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    (We all chase Amy...)
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    1. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous+Cowarc · · Score: 1

      When you say 'former' runway model, do you mean like 40 years ago former or last week former? If it is the latter I would like her phone number. Please post here in reply to this message. TIA!

    2. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much sex can you want? How much chocolade cake? How much beer and wine can you possibly take?

      And... (tada! ;) Does It Really Make You Happy?

      It's amazing how much happier you can be without all that. Did you need all that artificial stimuli when you were a child? No, but somehow as we grow older we forget our naturalness and joy. We become dependent on stuff that in reality makes us sick, depressed and dull.

      Ie, how come Sports is so popular among fat, beer-drinking males? It's incredible the lengths people will go to without realizing it is because of crushed dreams and spoiled play. It's the same with urban cities. People get stuck into boring day-to-day patterns, becoming dull and lonely. Basically, every day becomes the same day.

    3. Re:On the other hand... by Galvatron · · Score: 1
      I actually have never noticed that. My dead grandfather was fairly overweight and smoked until the day he died. My living grandfather swims every day, and if he ever smoked, it was before I was born. Both were born around 1915. As for booze, a single drink (preferably wine) a day is actually believed to be good for you, sort of a workout for your liver.


      Having said that, I generally agree with your philosophy. Maybe eating only hummus would let me live to be 110 years old, but then what's the point in living that long? There's certainly an amount of comfort that is worth giving up a few years for, so long as you acknowledge that that's what you're doing, and you're not simply relying on future medical progress (or disbelieving statistical life expectancy data).

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    4. Re:On the other hand... by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 2

      > How much sex can you want?

      Well, once every few hours would be great. But I'll settle for an average of once a week. :-)

      > How much chocolade cake?

      Just enough to make me not want any more chocolate cake.

      > How much beer and wine can you possibly take?

      About 12 glasses a night if I'm out at a bar socially, but more likely 1-2 glasses of wine a day. 1 to 2 glasses a day is actually a healthy amount from a medical standpoint, and may lessen the risk of heart problems according to some studies.

      > And... (tada! ;) Does It Really Make You Happy?

      Absolutely! I lead *exactly* the life I want. I wouldn't trade anything I have for anything I don't. I absolutely love being able to enjoy the delectations of fine cuisine of whatever type I'm hungry for. I love having a huge Porterhouse if that's what I want, or 2 orders of Portobello Ravioli from Olive Garden if that's what I crave, or just a supersize order of McDonalds french fries and a Bacon Cheeseburger if that's what I'm in the mood for. I very much enjoy it because food and sex stimulate the senses in similar ways, and it's something we're supposed to enjoy and savor. Why would we have such an incredible ability gauge such subtleties in the tastes and textures of our foods, if we aren't meant to delight in them?

      > It's amazing how much happier you can be without all that.

      Well, it's amazing if *you* can be happy without all of that, but I wouldn't be. It's also amazing how some people deign to tell others that they're not happy, when they're *perfectly* happy.

      > Did you need all that artificial stimuli when you were a child?

      What artificial stimuli? Sex? Food? Alcohol? Cigars? Those, my friend, are *natural* stimuli. Not only do they occur in nature, but they're as old as recorded history. Let's skip sex and call that one pretty much self-evident--it is, after all, the underlying biological motivation for every species which reproduces sexually. So, let's go to food.

      Food intake would seem to be a simple biological function. However, humans have a sense of taste that's a lot more refined than it needs to be to just be able to differentiate poisonous foods from safe ones. If that were all eating is about, we'd only need 2 flavors--good and yuck. But instead we can discern nearly infinite complex gradations and valuations of taste and texture of food. Moreover, we can be hungry for certain foods regardless of their nutritional value. Sometimes you just really want a banana, or chocolate, or bread, or pickles, or any number of things. If it were a simple biological function we'd just be hungry and eat stuff that doesn't taste bad until we're no longer hungry, or maybe we'd have more primitive cravings for sugary or bitter or salty in order to help the body get the kind of food that has the nutrients it wants. But it doesn't work like that. Our taste and hunger system is a lot more complex than it needs to be, and that leads to enjoyment and pleasure which is above and beyond what would be required for biological necessity. Clearly, food intake is supposed to be a pleasure, not just a simple biological function.

      As for alcohol, there's a running debate amongst archaelogists and anthropologists and the like as to what came first, bread or beer. Some say bread was first and beer was discovered when some bread got wet and fermented. Many others say beer was first because it's easier to make than bread, since there's no baking step--people probably used to just collect and eat raw grains long before bread was invented, and one day some of those raw or crushed grains being stored got wet and fermented and beer was discovered when someone drank that fermented mush. I think the beer first argument is most persuasive, since it's the simplest. Either way, people found it incredibly enjoyable to drink and it's far older than recorded history. Wine was probably discovered in a similar manner after some grapes got crushed and became fermented, and is also older than recorded history. It does something people have always liked, and while alcohol itself is burnt quickly by the body and has no real nutritional value, it's social value is inestimable. How many couplings, friendships, great songs and literature, all throughout history, owe a great deal to the lubricity of drink? I'm sure we all owe several ancestors in our various chains of ancestry to an excess drink or two, and the role of alcohol as inspiration for great art and literature through its action on the imagination is well documented. Without the Boar's Head tavern, Shakespeare would probably have been a mediocre writer; without his addiction to absinthe, van Gog could never have unleashed his incredible paintings. The effects of alcohol are at least as positive as they are negative, and have contributed so much to our culture. It is not only something which is naturally enjoyed, it is a valuable and largely unsung component of most of the best of our arts and literature.

      Cigars are much the same as alcohol. Western cultures were not so big into smoking things directly, although various forms of incense have served the same purpose in the West again since prehistory. Certain things smell good or produce physiological or psychological effects when inhaled, and in the ancient world many types of incense were meant to be inhaled deeply and not just savored for their scent. Myrrh, for instance, was often either inhaled deeply just as we do today with tobaccos, or mixed with wine, to produce an intoxicated sedation in the smoker or drinker. In Native American cultures things were usually smoked more diretly, hence the use of pipes and cigars which we European conquerors adopted as well, along with one of the natives' favorit weeds for smoking, tobacco. Tobacco is today marred by the malefactions of the cigarette industry and its cancerous possibilities, but once again it has contributed immeasurably to both the West and the Native Americans from whom we adopted it. It was used in ceremonies not unlike the "vision quests" associated with the Southwestern Indians and harder drugs like peyote, but more commonly it was a relaxing social occasion and remains so to this day. A good cigar or pipe, to an enthusiast such as myself, is an aid to conversation and relaxation. In a famous quip Mark Twain was confronted by an anti-smoking zealot who said (something like) "Mr. Clemens, whatever shall you do when you go to Heaven and you cannot smoke your dreadful cigars?" To which he replied, "Madam, if I cannot enjoy my cigars in Heaven I shall not go there." If the effects produced by smoking were not enjoyable, people wouldn't do it--this is all the more true about all-tobacco cigars and pipes, since they introduce less nicotine and in a more gradual way than modern cigarettes, which have been refined in such a way as to increas effective nicotene yield and decrease absorbtion times. In any event, the smoking of tobacco (which modern cigarettes really aren't--in fact the additives to tobacco are probably more cancer-inducing than the tobacco is) has been enjoyed in the West for nearly five centuries, and added to our culture in much the same way as alcohol has--could Mark Twain have written the same way were it not for his long chatting and thinking sessions under the subtle influence of his cigars? Could Hemingway have written the same without ever-present cigarettes? Could Churchill have been so level-headed and calm through the world's worst crisis, without the calming influence of the cigars he smoked literally from morning until bedtime, even in the bath?

      > No, but somehow as we grow older we forget our naturalness and joy.

      All those things are natural, and all were discovered in prehistory and have been enjoyed since then. Smoking and drinking alcohol and enjoying food and especially enjoying sex--since it is *the* ultimate biological imperative--are all natural, enjoyable, beautiful parts of life. What life do we have without them? No enjoyment of sex, enjoyment of food, enjoyment of drink and smoke--not much of a life.

      And by the way, children by nature touch themselves in a sexual manner, which is why most children have to be taught and socialized by parents not to touch their own genitals. It's natural, and even 4 or 5 year olds naturally touch their sexual parts because it feels good, until they're socialized not to. Puritanical types hate when that is pointed out, but ask anyone with developmental psychology knowledge about it and they'll tell you it's quite common and normal for young kids to touch themselves sexually until taught and constrained not to. They'd progress much more quickly into exploring sexuality with other children in their peer groups, too, were it not for social constructs against it.

      Guess what? Kids also like food. They enjoy food as much as adults do. They may not savor and appreciate the subtleties of taste and texture like adults can, but they surely enjoy it and they naturally gravitate towards foods which are not necessarily "healthy" because of their tastes.

      As for drink, in many cultures--the ones not based on Puritanism or strictest Islam, that is--it is customary for children to be allowed small diluted quantities of wine and such. It is as much an enjoyment and mood-enhancer for them as it is for us, and if you ever visited parts of France and Spain you'd see children as young as five being allowed a cup of diluted wine with dinner.

      So what's all that bull about "naturalness and joy"? The naturalness and joy in life comes from enjoying these simple pleasures of sex and food and drink, as well as play and other pleasures.

      > We become dependent on stuff that in reality makes us sick, depressed and dull.

      I'm not dependent on anything. I do however enjoy everything, freely and without either Puritan or postmodern apology. I do not get sick, depressed, or dull because of life's pleasures. You seem to have the incredibly unfortunate misconception that the pleasures dear Nature gave us are opiates, lulling us into a ho-hum existence. Opiates are unfortunate highly addictive, and their users more often than not spiral downwards into an existence totally dependant on the opiate and causing one to lay listless all day until one withers away. Food, sex, drink, and smoke are not the same--almost all users lives are enhanced, not diminished, and a relative very few have an addiction to these things ruin their lives. Instead, for most people they are simple pleasures and enhancements, enriching their lives and, as I pointed out, greatly enriching their art and our culture.

      > Ie, how come Sports is so popular among fat, beer-drinking males?

      I think they're popular with most people. I'm not one of them, and indeed most of us geeks--fat and beer-drinking as we may be--are not among that number, except for one or two we may play non-competitively for fun and enjoyment. The same sort of fun and enjoyment we get from all the other great stuff: play, sex, food, drink, intellectual stimulation. Enjoying them all is natural, normal, and *truly* healthy, unlike an obsession over looking thin which is largely owed to our fucked-up media portrayal of body image.

      > It's incredible the lengths people will go to without realizing it is because of crushed dreams and spoiled play.

      That may be true of the blue-collar working class--but that's very fw of Slashdot's readership here. Most of us geeks are white-collar upper-working-class, which is very different and which is largely rsponsible for our perennial weight "problems." When you're blue-collar you usually work with your body and get a fair amount of exercise in the natural course of things. When you're white-collar and work with your mind, especially if you mostly sit in front of a computer screen, you don't get much exerise in the naural course of things. So it's natural for geek types to pudge out a bit.

      The people you describe are the poor who drown their sorrows in drink to a great excess, and in opiates and hard drugs and other things, to avoid facing harsh realities. That just isn't most people on /., my friend. Most of our only sorrows come from poor body image caused by the media, and sometimes from social stigmas from looking or acting different; other than that, geeks usually have very nice, fulfilling, successful lives. If geeks could get over the poor body image problem--let's face it, it's natural for us to be "overweight" because o0f the type of work we do--and start using their great resources to curb the media's overuse of unnatural body types, instead of to enroll in boot camps and similar modern "fat farms", the world and all our lives would be much better. Feminists always bemoan how unnaturally thin women on TV, in movies and magazines, make girls' lives and self-images difficult to deal with, leading to unnatural dieting and even anorexia. It's entirely true. What doesn't get mentioned is that boys are subject to the ame thing, only we internalize it much more and don't discuss it. It's probably one of the reasons the teenage suicide rate in the U.S. is 10 times for boys what it is for girls--we internalize these issues more, and that includes unfair body image expectations. As one example out of billions, I was so upset over a recent commercial intend to keep kids from talking with online sexual predators--everyone in it was lan, many of them unnaturally so like most TV characters; the only fat person was the leering child molester. Perfect! What a way to teach kids "fat=bad." Bah, do these people think? "fat" by today's standards is *far* moe natural than what most of the media characters are.

      I enjoy my body, and I don't bemoan its girth. I celebrate it. It's normal and natural. As I aid, I love the way my Homer Simpson-like belly jiggles when a girl fucks me from on top. It feels wonderful. It feels natural. I wouldn't trad my body for a thinner one, no indeed, and we need to teach people to be happy with their normal, natural bodies, which are the esult of whatever their levels of natural physical activity and food intake. Why dislike it, instead of accepting the natural course? I love the natural course. I am a natural, normal person, and my ideas ae natural and normal. Yourse seem constrained and unnatural and weird postmodernist claptrap. Nothing personal, but I have a much happier and healthier outlook on life, as well as a very natural and healthy life.

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    5. Re:On the other hand... by haedesch · · Score: 1

      couldn't agree more...

    6. Re:On the other hand... by gellor · · Score: 1

      I really hope you see this at this late date....

      Very well said. I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you very much for taking the time to write out this explanation. You have said it far better than I could have myself.

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  63. Timed Fitness Test by Daengbo · · Score: 1

    Two interesting points from the article 1) his two minute pushup / situp test barely meets regular Army standards for him, and most of the 1st SF that I worked with felt weak if they didn't complete 100 pushups / 100 situps, and a 12:00 two mile for their fitness test. 2) The precial operations (SF SEALS, etc...) do much more than that every morning, and then strap on 75 lbs to go humping for the rest of the day. "I knew that we did more before 9:00 than normal people did all day, I just didn't realize we didn't stop after 9:00." -- someone

  64. Wow. by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of comments about how it's not "Real" SEAL training.

    No shit.

    The real messag here is that, in general, we do NOT train ourselves nearly hard enough. People are, in general, in shitty health. We are lazy.

    Exercise feels GOOD you know. Hey. I didn't believe it. I've been supremely lazy my whole life. When I hit 22 or so, my standard 130 pounds that never flucutated climbed up to about 200.
    I finally hit the gym for various reasons.

    And what I found shocked me. The first day was hard. It only felt good when I was done.
    The second day was a day of pain.
    A week later.. after about 5 minutes of lifting, I *LIKE* it. IT feels GOOD. You do 20 reps of something, push yourself.. and it feels GREAT.

    Helps greatly with focus every day.

  65. Any respectable moderators out there? by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I asked a question about whether or not this patent could stop the CBDTPA. That was modded down as 'offtopic'. I asked why it was modded down as offtopic (as opposed to being overrated if it was a stupid question), and that was was modded redundant.

    I'm not looking to get those points back, but some hypothetical insight as to what i did wrong would be nice. Perhaps my definition of what is off topic needs some modification? I mean, I am asking about this patent and how it it could be used to stop idiotic legislation from being psased, but for some reason this is off topic.

    Please, somebody seriously answer me?

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    1. Re:Any respectable moderators out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too bad you posted for the story about the patent in the geek goes to navy SEAL training story. Maybe thats why its offtopic. What? You think physical training is going to stop the CBDTPA? Oh yes the patent on exercise will save us all.

  66. Re:The Lamest Geek, EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ugh. Running Linux and FreeBSD only means you're not completely lame; it is long past the time when those two were anything to brag about. And, sure, you're welcome to come try and kick my ass for saying so. My Glocks will take out your nad-shrivelled ass any day, ex-Marine or not. :-)


    By the way, did the smiley make my insults any easier to take, Kojack? Just curious.

  67. Geek not superior to soldier by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Four day straight coding binges, countless hours of research and self-education IMHO far exceed the effort put forth by soldiers for one simply reason. There is no instructor screaming at this person to force them to give so much.

    I'm not trying to be rude, but those who believe your post to be insightful are somewhat ignorant. Please keep in mind that our perception of what a soldier is is largely based on TV and movies. TV and movies portray soldiers about as well as they portray hackers.

    U.S. soldiers are volunteers. Our Special Ops soldiers have volunteered multiple times. They are not doing things because someone is yelling at them. The numerous hard things they had to do to reach their position were accompanied by instructors encouraging them to quit, begging them to quit, constantly reminding them that other people are warm, fed, and comfortable and that they could join these people if they wished to.

    The devotion to their craft and self motivation you admire in the geek is the very same thing that makes so many of our soldiers so good. Except the soldiers are doing harder things that may not be as much fun.

    Colin Powell may be remember as a great leader, perhaps for a few decades, but I truely believe that Richard Stallman will have a place in history as a revolutionary (atleast, for a century or so)

    No, Stallman is not a revolutionary. Free software existed before Stallman, it exists without the GPL, it will live on without Stallman or the GPL. He is more of a pop icon. Many men and women have done far greater things, both in and out of the military, you just don't know their names.

    1. Re:Geek not superior to soldier by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      Volunteers who get paid... hmm what do we call that? An employee, worker, something like that, guess I'm not really sure, but it doesn't sound like a volunteer that's for sure. The money that soldiers end up getting may not be a whole lot, but it is defintely competitive with any other post-high school job that doesn't even require a diploma. Not to mention the numerous programs to provide military personnel with funding for college education afterwards.

      People try to make the military sound like a divine calling, that these people so selflessly gave up everything great in their entire life to go and protect us all! That fact of the matter is that half of these people who simply join up with the navy, army, or airforce have no clue what to do with their lives. Usually they don't even have any useable job skills that are worth someone's investment (other than typical grunt work). And a large portion may not even have enough money to go on with anything else in their lives. The military is a feasible financial and short-term life solution for these people. This is not to say that these people are scum or anything, heh, they are usually far from that; this is just to say that the military isn't as selfless as some would like to think. Besides, once these people get out of the military, they usually have so many more life skills than when they entered that it would be hard to put a price on their development. Most anyone who successfully completes a military program gains financially in the short and long term (versus the time they put in) and personally on such a great degree that they wouldn't have changed their minds about their decision.

    2. Re:Geek not superior to soldier by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      The context was the Special Ops end of the military, very different world and people.

      Geeks have been known to get paid as well, their personal investments in skills have been known to reap financial rewards later on, etc. However they are safe and secure and not in harms way, so yes there is something special about those who go the military route. When the shit hits the fan they generally prove this, most are fortunate enought never to have to do so.

    3. Re:Geek not superior to soldier by lkaos · · Score: 2

      Do you really think most solidiers are in any more danger than an 18 year old male?

      I don't think people understand how many solidiers there are out there that never, ever, see combat. The percentage that will never see combat is staggering.

      If there is a war were a significant amount of solidiers will be called into action and are likely to be in danger, then the draft will be started.

      Note: My example of the second type of geek was Stallman. By all accounts, Stallman gave up a great deal of finicial rewards to do something that he thought would better humanity. I'm sorry, but that kind of dedication and commitment far exceeds the commitment of a solidier who was conditioned to fire at a target by a screaming drill sargent.

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    4. Re:Geek not superior to soldier by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      The soldiers being referred to in these threads are those of Special Ops. Applying the criteria you use with respect to the better geeks, ample dedication to their craft and self motivation, also indicates we should be looking at Special Ops. If you would like to switch to an 18-year old hoping to find direction then we should switch the geek subjects to the 9 to 5 cube rats. Back to the actual topic ...

      Danger: Danger is not limitted to combat. we suffer casualties in training. Civilian deaths due to criminal activity or highly negligent behaviour are not really relevant for comparison purposes.

      Stallman: High pay means someone else tells you what your projects are. Stallman opted for low pay so he could pick his own projects and follow his own interests. That is not a sacrifice, that is the typical cushy academic path. There is nothing wrong with that, but there is nothing special either.

      Your fixation on screaming: TV and movies portray soldiers about as accurately as they portray hackers. Screaming at someone while trying to teach them marksmanship is counterproductive. Soldiers don't fire on a traget because of conditioning, they fire because they or someone they care about is likely to be killed if they don't.

    5. Re:Geek not superior to soldier by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      Actually, if you've watched some of the military episodes on TLC or The Discovery Channel about miltary training, you can gain some good insight into the programs without actually doing any investigation (other than watching the shows). They provide very little commentary and just show what is going on. They do some interviews (sole interviews, the person is simply talking to the camera, no one is asking questions directly), but mainly show the process by which personnel go through in certain areas of the military. They have done documentaries on Rangers, SEALs, AF recruits, Navy recruits, and specific Marine episodes. Many of the sterotypes that you see in the movies are fairly true. Mind you that these episodes don't cover ALL of the training, they do try to cover a decent portion of the trainings. There have even been several connected episodes in which the documentary will follow a specific class all the way from their initial inductions to their final graduations/acceptances/etc.

      It is obvious though that a trainer will not be screaming into a trainee's ear while they are trying to learn a specific skill, how to use some new equipment, or other similar procedures. The screaming is counterproductive as you mentioned, but the trainees would be harshly dealt with should they fail some training at certain points.

  68. So what happened to this guy? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    So what happened to this guy? Did 9-11 take him out, or something before that? His web page hasn't been updated since late 2000. First he's talking about taking the course a third time in October and then nothing for almost a year and a half. Kinda spooky.

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    1. Re:So what happened to this guy? by geekfactory · · Score: 1

      I'm still here... I just posted a huge reply under the name "Geekfactory."

  69. Re:I subscribed to slashdot for THIS?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not likely. VA Linux^H^H^H^H^HSoftware has been a hopeless investment for some time now. Just look at this. Once they finally go out of business, the /. crew will finally be forced on to the streets, sucking some hobo's cock for a dollar and change.

  70. Look at this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.shankman.com/petechi.jpg

    You tell me.

  71. whattareyou? NUTS? by Bongzilla · · Score: 0


    You would have to be freaking insane to pay money for torture on that scale. And I don't mean insane in the good Metallica way. I mean it in the bad loony bin way.

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  72. Pleasing to the touch and pleasing to the eye... by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Okay, before anyone mods this down, a little further down I get back to the "body image" notions brought up in the linked journals.

    Former as in still in her early 20s former. 5'9, 110 pounds, a body that puts Kate Moss' at the top of her career a few years ago to shame because it still has all the right curves to it. And, only a profesional call girl could be so skilled in the arts of sex. ;-) Best $250 an hour full service "physical therapy" you can get...

    You can find any type of girl you want at lots of different price points and service levels at thebigdoggie.net. Just click on the board for the city or state you want, and read up. The message boards can be searched for past reviews of a girl once you get an idea of who you might want. A small membership fee gets access to "members' boards" and a review database, but I've never gotten a membership because once you learn the ropes you can find all you need on the public boards. Obviously, if you're in or near a big city you're in luck, but if you live in the boon docks or the Midwest you may have no one great nearby. There are a ton of escort ads on Eros Guides, but you need to research the girls on TBD first to see who's legitimate because many are scammers.

    I do a lot of travelling and the best cities for finding terrific escorts are either of the big cities in California, any big Florida city, DC, and Chicago. New York City's top escorts are usually more expensive, which is why I usually don't visit them. I've also been to the Moonlite BunnyRanch in Nevada, where it's legal, and it was way overpriced. My favorite city to stay in on business is DC, because they have a lot of beautiful young escorts down there at generally lower rates--if you ever visit there, you must visit Samantha or Eve at Tori's Secret. I was in DC a month ago, and saw both of them. Eve is also a former runway model, and all the girls look better than their pics at Tori's because their photographer is an idiot.

    I've never understood why prostitution should be illegal if it's conducted safely and discreetly, like escorting is. Streetwalking is a public nuisance--but some low-key ads and some internet websites used to bring consenting adults together isn't harming anyone; it's a public service, making for happier, healthier people. Even Bonobo monkeys engage in the trade of resources for sex. It's natural. Sex independent of interpersonal relationships can be a fungible service just like any other.

    I'm a big fat geek who's traded long hours of work and his formerly less ample figure for copious amounts of money, and I use that money to really enjoy my life. I don't mind being fat. It isn't keeping me from doing anything I'd enjoy otherwise, and I'm not either wasting my time (subjective judgement, of course--some enjoy exercise) doing a lot of exercise (more work IMHO), or cutting out my cigars and fattening foods and alcohols, just to lose a few pounds and keep it lost.

    Some people have to be thin to feel okay about themselves, but I'm here to say: bollocks. I like my fat white body. I love how it feels to my hands and the hands of others. I love how my fat jiggles when I'm getting a really good fucking with the girl on top. Why should I care if some people don't think I look good? Ideas of beauty have been mutable for most of human history. The Greeks and Romans loved hard bodies, and so do we. But a couple centuries ago in Europe being pale and flabby was considered beautiful because it was a sign of wealth and class, and in prehistory fertility idols were made in the shape of really big fat women. Rubens' women would be considered fat today. Marilyn Monroe was considered the hottest woman alive forty or fifty years ago, but she wore about a size 12, which today would make her a bit on the chunky side.

    So, I'm not missing out on anything. I've got all of life's pleasures and enjoy them guilt-free, no petty worries about calories or weight or whatnot. Whenever I'm single I just buy sex the same way one buys any other service, and whenever I find a girl I like who's interested in a lot more than current notions of what most people think "looks good" that's great too. To quote *Pulp Fiction*, "It's unfortunate what we find pleasing to the touch and pleasing to the eye are seldom the same."

    Love your fat geeky bodies, guys. They may not look how a lot of people think they should look, but that's just modern jock-driven elitist aesthetics. They feel good, and that's what really matters.

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  73. Perhaps he meant kilometers not miles... by enkidu · · Score: 1

    As mentioned elsewhere, ultra distance runners can do 220+km in 24 hours. It may be a stretch but given an extremely competent runner, he/she might finish 141km in 16 hours or so. A truly world class ultra distance runner might finish it in 12 hours, but these are guys who don't have very little excess muscle/weight.

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    1. Re:Perhaps he meant kilometers not miles... by superdan2k · · Score: 1

      No, he meant 141 miles. The standard Ironman Triathlon is a 2.4 mile swim, a 112-mile bike ride, and a 26.4 mile run, all back to back. (I know because I'm a cyclist with a bit of tri-geek in me and have been trying to get into the Hawaii Ironman.) That's actually 140.8 miles...close enough, because you're usually running around in the transition areas.

      Now, subtract the 2.4-mile swim. 138.4 miles of running. Not easy by any means, but certainly do-able.

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  74. Yeah, thanks for that... by neonstz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Got up at 1130 Saturday morning, checked my email and Slashdot. Reading this story (yes, the entire story) about a guy working out didn't actually make me feel good about myself. :)

    1. Re:Yeah, thanks for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually went out for a run...did me some good.

  75. Re:Just to let you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the US has a silly rugby ripp-off. A bunch of pansies in fucking padding which needs a bunch of screaming girls in between the numerous breaks to make it even remotely interesting.

  76. Well.. by zapfie · · Score: 1

    Don't get me wrong, I do have a great deal of respect for people who can go through this, but I am a little disturbed at the suggestion that this being a geek simply means that one gives "50%" of themselves and sits around playing with their cats all day.

    I don't think he means just geeks. A lot of the population would give up after trying something like this- the ability to complete something this hard is not something you are born with, it is something you have to decide on and earn day by day. I think what he means is that most people don't really push themselves to this point.. having had similar experiences to this guy, it really is amazing how far you can push yourself. You always think, "I'm worn out, I can't possibly do anymore," but you do, and you learn a little more day by day that your limits are way more than you thought they were. So by 50% I don't think he really means people sit around being lazy asses, just that most people have never really pushed themselves to see how far they can go.

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    1. Re:Well.. by geekfactory · · Score: 1

      Zapfile: You got it - that's exactly what I mean - I never singled out geeks - but people in general who figure, "Oh, I'm done, I can't do any more." It's when they find out that they can that the magic happens.

    2. Re:Well.. by zapfie · · Score: 1

      Couldn't agree more.

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  77. Re:He cannot program and never has (low IQ Jar-Hea by tcr · · Score: 1

    Bet he enjoys some of his work, though! ;-)

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  78. Price tag for getting your butt kicked by slasho81 · · Score: 1

    Cost of NY course is $495.00

    1. Re:Price tag for getting your butt kicked by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, tempted to take the subway over there, set up a lawn chair next to them, and take a nice long nap...

  79. Re:chant (another one) by distributed.karma · · Score: 2, Funny

    Secant, cosine, tangent, sine
    Three point one four one five nine
    E to the x dx dy
    Radical transcendental pi
    Two point seven one eight two eight
    Come on folks, let's integrate!

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  80. Leadville 100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.leadvilletrail100.com/2001runr.html

    It might not be sane, but it is done regularly. And now try more than two miles higher elevation than NYC!

    If you don't understand the effects of reduced atmosphere on personal performance I urge you to try to do anything at 12,000 feet MSL. I hiked two 14,000+ mountains last summer. Life gets weird above 13000 feet. Everything you see is filtered through the view of all the veins in your eyeballs pulsing and throbbing across your retinas.

  81. THANKS FOR FUCKING TELLING ME! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doh hhee. Musta clicked the wrong link.

    Woulda been nice for somebody to FUCKING TELL ME INSTEAD OF YELLING AT ME.

    Gee, you'd think it had been obvious that I was in the wrong story, but nooOOOOoo, I just get modded down withuot a word put in. And when somebody does, they yell at me about it.

    I realize it was a stupid mistake peeps, but come on! Was it really worth playing the stupid mod game? Fucking idiots. i can't believe I made a simple mistake, but everybody compounds it by not asking me the simple question of why.

    Before you go tellin me how idiotic it was, consider that all my responses were through the private messages. I think posted in this story because I had too many windows open.

    In any case, thanks for finally telling me what was wrong, but DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT SWEARING AT ME?

    God damn.

    Sincerely,
    NanoGator

  82. What made me feel good. by Ironfist_ironmined · · Score: 1

    was the whole "in two sets of 2 minutes i did 55 press ups and 44 sit ups" in less than 2 minutes i can do easy 200 press ups. straight.

    I can also do single arm press ups, left and right

    I do kungfu (mantis and wing chun) as well

    I'm 15

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    1. Re:What made me feel good. by gellor · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you won't see this now, but that last statement made me laugh a bit. Get back with us in 20 years. Hell, make it 10. You might be suprised what you can and can't do then.

      I was once a martial artist myself (kenpo karate and hapkido, with a touch of real akido) back when I was 14-18. Now I'm 100 pounds overweight and not real proud of it. Where I could once run a mile and then spar for 10 minutes straight (had to for one of my belt tests) I can now walk up a flight of steps and only wheeze moderatly at the top. :)

      Anyway, I don't mean to actually pick on you, but at your age there are more people capable of your accomplishment than there are at the aurthor's age.

      Take it light and keep up the good work.

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  83. By the look of him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the look of him in his after picture I'd say he became a hair dresser.

  84. You, sir, are ignorant. by gosand · · Score: 2
    My longest rant ever...

    First off, you really shouldn't classify things into two categories. That makes you ignorant.

    The only reason it is now "cool" to be a geek is because the everyday person uses it, and you get paid well to be one. That doesn't mean that geeks should be put on a throne and admired. Your comments lead me to believe that you are some kind of self-worshipping, elitest A-hole. In reality, that is what a lot of tech people are, so you shouldn't feel special. Don't worry, there are a lot of other types of people who act the same way too.

    And stop with the 110% garbage. Cliche. If you are all geek, all the time, good for you. But don't expect people to automatically respect you for that. What dangers do you face in your life? What are YOU doing to make the world a better place? Do you think that in the end, technology is the answer? If you do, then you had better WAKE THE FUCK UP! You ask the question about the instructor "...how does his efforts make the world a better place?" That makes you seem uneducated and elitest. The fact that you may not remember those who gave their lives for YOUR FREEDOM doesn't mean that they aren't important. They are the unsung heros who lazy bastards like you take advantage of every day as you give your "110%" to a luxury like technology. Revolutionary! Bah. RMS may be a revolutionary, but you have to have something to revolt against, that that something was possible because of people in the military, government, artists, musicians, etc. You think technology built this country? It was the comman person, who busted their ass farming, working in factories, fixing your car, cooking your food, teaching you, RAISING YOUR ASS from a snotty nosed kid to a snotty nosed adult. Why don't you give credit where credit is due, instead of going through life with tunnel-vision?

    Damn. Maybe I am reading too much into your weak comments, but you touched on something. For the most part, most of the tech people I know are physically lazy. Sure, they can code for 6 hours straight, and they can focus all their attention on one problem, but they usually can only function around other people like them. Why be ignorant of everything else? I know that there are specialists in every field, and there are tech specialists too who are the best at what they do. But that isn't everyone. If you aren't one of these people (and chances are you aren't) then you should expand yourself. Learn about other things. Get off your ass and go to a museum (of real art, not anime!). Read a book that doesn't have to do with cryptography or a programming language. Go in the kitchen and cook, instead of dialing the phone or having your mommy cook something for you. DO SOMETHING ELSE!!! Why are you sitting in front of that PS2 or Xbox for 5 hours straight? Yeah, it's fun. Why do you do it every day? What, may I ask, is that going to do to make the world a better place?

    You may be asking yourself "who is this prick? He is probably a hypocrite." Some may think that. I certainly don't claim to be the most well-rounded person, but I realize that every day and try to fix it. I don't have delusions of grandeur, I don't try to be great. I try not to be an arrogant prick when I am right. I love to learn new things. I try to get stuck in one thing. It is boring!!!!! Don't be a boring person. Make this a better world by improving yourself, physically, mentally, spiritually, philosophically, technologically.... The list goes on. If you can speak out of some kind of experience, then I may be more apt to listen to you, but don't try and put other people down without having some kind of knowledge of what you are talking about. It is OK to not say anything. Just shut up and listen, you may learn something.

    OK, I am getting tired of typing. If you ever met me, you would never guess that this rant is coming out of me, because I am the quiet guy. But by being quiet I listen and learn. Maybe I have just been trapped in SUVland suburbian hell for too long. Maybe I am just tired of all the cliches that I see cycling through this world. Maybe I am just sick and tired of ignorance.

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    1. Re:You, sir, are ignorant. by lkaos · · Score: 2
      First off, you really shouldn't classify things into two categories. That makes you ignorant.

      The classification was only to help better explain my point. I did not intend to define the geek world in three lines of text. It was not terribly relavent to my main idea so I did not spend much time on it. If we thoroughly explained every single aspect of what we were trying to convey, then communications would be all but impossible.

      The only reason it is now "cool" to be a geek is because the everyday person uses it, and you get paid well to be one. That doesn't mean that geeks should be put on a throne and admired.

      That was really the point I was trying to make. There are those that are geeks because it is the "cool" thing, and then those who have this unbelievable drive and devotion. I used Stallman as an example as he is the most obvious in this forum. If you take the time to really read what Stallman says, one cannot deny that he truely is devoted to his beliefs.

      Your comments lead me to believe that you are some kind of self-worshipping, elitest A-hole. In reality, that is what a lot of tech people are, so you shouldn't feel special. Don't worry, there are a lot of other types of people who act the same way too.

      Well, if you reexamine my post, I did not attack anyone on a personal level and went to great lengths to make sure I established that I respected the people in the story. Instead of just proclaiming that I'm 'self-worshipping' and an 'elitist', perhaps you should take the time to try and understand what I'm saying.

      And stop with the 110% garbage. Cliche. If you are all geek, all the time, good for you. But don't expect people to automatically respect you for that.

      Yes, 110% is cliche, but all cliche's are based on fact. Sometimes, the most efficent way to portray an idea to the masses is through cliche. I am not sure who, and I believe it was a chemist, but someone once said that, "The common man spends 90% of their time thinking about sex, great men spend 70%." I think it is undoubted that there are individuals who devote themselves more to what they believe in than others. I do believe that such devotion is something that deserves respect. That is why I said I respected the Navy Seal.

      What dangers do you face in your life? What are YOU doing to make the world a better place? Do you think that in the end, technology is the answer? If you do, then you had better WAKE THE FUCK UP! You ask the question about the instructor "...how does his efforts make the world a better place?" That makes you seem uneducated and elitest. The fact that you may not remember those who gave their lives for YOUR FREEDOM doesn't mean that they aren't important.

      I do believe that it is every man's duty to try and improve the world around him. In fact, I believe that that is the only important thing in life. Knowledge and understand are the only ways that humanity is every improved. War has existed since the dawn of time, and long periods of war never improve humanity. Humanity improves when intellectual revolutions occur. Things like the Italian Renessiance, the invention of the printing press, the Industrial Revolution, the growth of the internet, etc., are the things that have improved humanity.

      And I ask you, what does it mean to give one's life for freedom? I would say that it is more honorable to devote one's life to freedom. Surely, if former was the most honorable cause, then the solidiers who raped and devistated villages in Vietnam are more honorable than George Washington, since he died of natural causes and they may have died in battle? And of course, those who choose to fight in unjust wars (such as the Mexican-American war) are more honorable than those who refuse to support it (such as Henry David Thoreau)? Our society likes to idealize those who fight wars. Perhaps it is because people can related best to those individuals and feel that is the easiest way for them to obtain such status, but let me assure you, humanity has never once been improved by war (although one could argue that humanity is maintained by war).

      They are the unsung heros who lazy bastards like you take advantage of every day as you give your "110%" to a luxury like technology.

      Bit ironic to refute my argument with a cliche while also critizing my use of cliche ;-)

      Revolutionary! Bah. RMS may be a revolutionary, but you have to have something to revolt against, that that something was possible because of people in the military, government, artists, musicians, etc. You think technology built this country? It was the comman person, who busted their ass farming, working in factories, fixing your car, cooking your food, teaching you, RAISING YOUR ASS
      from a snotty nosed kid to a snotty nosed adult. Why don't you give credit where credit is due, instead of going through life with tunnel-vision?


      I choose RMS as an example because he is the most notoriable figure in such a forum. I do believe RMS respects someone who has devoted themselves entirely to a cause (and at great loss) that he believes in strongly. I agree with his views for the most part, but I disagree with some. Either way, it is undeniable that he will secure at least a similiar place in history as Henry Ford although I doubt he will achieve the same kind of pristage as say, Gutenberg.

      Damn. Maybe I am reading too much into your weak comments, but you touched on something. For the most part, most of the tech people I know are physically lazy. Sure, they can code for 6 hours straight, and they can focus all their attention on one problem, but they usually can only function around other people like them. Why be ignorant of everything else?

      I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume something I wrote sparked some deep emotions in you.

      I know that there are specialists in every field, and there are tech specialists too who are the best at what they do. But that isn't everyone. If you aren't one of these people (and chances are you aren't) then you should expand yourself. Learn about other things.

      My belief in life is pretty simple. I believe it is every man's duty to try and improve the world around him. I believe the advancement of knowledge is the only way to improve that world. To me, a man should spend a great portion of his time studying to learn what others have contributed, and also should try and share his views with the world. I post frequently to /. because I believe it is important to speak one's mind.

      Get off your ass and go to a museum (of real art, not anime!). Read a book that doesn't have to do with cryptography or a programming language. Go in the kitchen and cook, instead of dialing the phone or having your mommy cook something for you. DO SOMETHING ELSE!!! Why are you sitting in front of that PS2 or Xbox for 5 hours straight? Yeah, it's fun. Why do you do it every day? What, may I ask, is that going to do to make the world a better place?

      Well, again, I believe your post was seeded mostly with emotion, but I do agree with what you say here. I despise video games and do also believe it is important to have a varied education. Of course, I would not put much value in an art museum, but that is an entirely different discussion :)

      You may be asking yourself "who is this prick? He is probably a hypocrite." Some may think that. I certainly don't claim to be the most well-rounded person, but I realize that every day and try to fix it. I don't have delusions of grandeur, I don't try to be great.

      It saddens me that you would say such a thing. If you do not live your life trying to be the best you possible can be, then why live at all? Thoreau once said,

      When we consider what, to use the words of the catechism, is the chief end of man, and what are the true necessaries and means of life, it appears as if men had deliberately chosen the common mode of living because they preferred it to any other. Yet they honestly think there is no choice left. But alert and healthy natures remember that the sun rose clear. It is never too late to give up our prejudices. No way of thinking or doing, however ancient, can be trusted without proof. What everybody echoes or in sliences passes by as true to-day may turn out to be falsehood to-morrow, mere smoke of opinion, which some had trusted for a cloud that would sprinkle fertilizing rain on their fields.


      I try not to be an arrogant prick when I am right. I love to learn new things. I try to get stuck in one thing. It is boring!!!!! Don't be a boring person. Make this a better world by improving yourself, physically, mentally, spiritually, philosophically, technologically.... The list goes on. If you can speak out of some kind of experience, then I may be more apt to listen to you, but don't try and put other people down without having some kind of knowledge of what you are talking about. It is OK to not say anything. Just shut up and listen, you may learn something.

      Perhaps you should consider your own words. I wouldn't put too much value on experience though. I won't go into here, but you should read "The Transcendentalist," by Ralph Waldo Emerson.

      OK, I am getting tired of typing. If you ever met me, you would never guess that this rant is coming out of me, because I am the quiet guy. But by being quiet I listen and learn.

      The greatest sin a man can commit is to keep his ideas to himself. Sometimes my greatest sadness comes when considering how much greatest was lost in the world from those who simply hestitated to share their ideas. Actually, as much as I regret posting something that would cause you to react with such emotion, I do feel somewhat justified in knowing that it at least provoked you to enter into the discussion.

      Maybe I have just been trapped in SUVland suburbian hell for too long.

      If you feel like reading something good, I suggest picking up "Walden" by Henry David Thoreau. If you have read it, reread it. If you are unfamiliar with it, it is an account of his time spent in solitude by Walden pond. It is one of the best pieces of literature I have yet read.
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  85. "They're gonna hafta open up my pecs again and ... by schmaltz · · Score: 2

    and drain the fluid..." -this quote comes from the movie Fight Club, from Bob, who had "bitch tits", because he had his testicles removed after developing testicular cancer, which he said he got from being a "juicer", a person who takes 'roids.

    The lesson here, kiddies, is, you play with fire, you will get burned. What's amusing is, there's a lot of attention paid on /. to cyber this and genetic that, but when one guy gets up to boast about his taking a body-altering pharmo substance, everybody gets freaked. Personally, I'd never touch the stuff, let your body do its own thing.

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  86. Re:The Meanest Geek, EVER, close no cigar.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry dood... I work with a 6' 8" 340lb
    Network geek who's closer to chewbacca than you'd
    belive possible...

  87. Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn the mods are stupid. He has a perfect point. The palestines are no more a race then catholics or Yankees. It just describes the culture and the place they live in.

    It has nothing to do with racisim.

  88. Any chance of more stories? by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 1

    I for one like the stories and your writing style... any chance of more?

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  89. And then carry the 200lb. bastard 500 miles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That's great, and then when they kill the freakin' thing in Nova Scotia, Mooatl says to Tezoltl, "next time, man, don't forget the god-damned shotgun."

  90. Nope, I'm the meanest geek ever by jcsehak · · Score: 1

    I'm so mean I've never influenced a statistic, poll or survey.

    *wince*

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  91. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is typical of programmers, and the programmers aristocrocy. This is the mindset that programmers think they are better than everyone, could run a business better than anyone, and should make 90,000 a year out of college. This is also the reason for the dot-com crash, and all of these over inflated egotists should be shot, or drafted. Then they can learn real work and effort.

  92. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter if the comman man remembers Stallman, but I do believe that most people in technology will remember him, and thats all thats important.

    You are incredibly fucking arrogant. You really do think you are part of some kind of elite.

  93. Re:chant (another one) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know
    but I've been told
    hacker chicks
    are fuckin' bold!

  94. You mean like this? by edunbar93 · · Score: 2
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  95. Re:You, sir, are ignorant (retraction) by gosand · · Score: 2
    All I can say is .... Damn man, why didn't you say so in the first place? :-) Excellent response to my admittedly emotionally charged thought-flow. I know I wasn't all that concise, but it really was just what I was feeling at that time. If I read what you wrote in a different forum, I might not have gone off like I did. Being that it was posted to Slashdot, I read it on the surface, but in my own defense, the comments were pretty superficial. But you expanded on them well in your followup post. I agree with pretty much everything you said here. But to address a couple of things in particular....

    War has existed since the dawn of time, and long periods of war never improve humanity. Humanity improves when intellectual revolutions occur.

    I don't know about this - to say war has never improved humanity? That might be a stretch. Maybe war didn't improve it directly, but it certainly prompted rapid change. It is hard to imagine what the world would be like without the US Revolutionary War or the US Civil War. I am sure there are others that you can agree that had a great impact on the world. I think humanity can certainly improve as a result of war. Many technologies are produced for/by the military, so without wars, perhaps technology may not progress as rapidly. (but that begs the question, does technology improve humanity)

    I don't have delusions of grandeur, I don't try to be great. It saddens me that you would say such a thing. If you do not live your life trying to be the best you possible can be, then why live at all?

    That is different than what I meant by "great". I was referring to "great" in the common sense, as in the eyes of others. I don't try to be a great man. I just do what I do, to the best of my ability. I don't want to be rich and powerful. I just want to be happy. I could certainly be happy with money, but that is not my goal. I know people who are like that, they want to be great (in the selfish sense). It makes me sick. Some people thrive on the admiration of others and on having "power". Not me. It follows a more Zen philosophy, of just being. Just live in the moment, and appreciate everything you have. The desire to be great will cloud your judgement.

    OK, we had better end this right now, or we will get modded down for having a reasonable discussion. This isn't the place for that. :-)

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  96. Re:You, sir, are ignorant (retraction) by lkaos · · Score: 2

    but in my own defense, the comments were pretty superficial.

    I'll give you that I guess.

    It is hard to imagine what the world would be like without the US Revolutionary War or the US Civil War.

    It's hard to imagine what our life would have been like without these things, but after our society fails (and all societies due), both events will have little meaning. The Punic wars of Rome, or the Trojan war has very little meaning on our lives today. While they may shaped shaped history, they surely didn't improve mankind.

    I am not anti-war, it is necessary in some circumstances, but I do not respect it and do not believe it benefits society.

    Many technologies are produced for/by the military, so without wars, perhaps technology may not progress as rapidly. (but that begs the question, does technology improve humanity)

    While war improves technology, does it really improve science? War may create a faster computer, but the science of Einstein and Turing are what has improved humanity with the computer. I kind of see the military's work with technology as it's justification for the tremendous amount of money we spend on it. It's kind of the same way NASA justifies itself. Now, working in the military sector, I can definitely say that while an aweful lot is accomplished, even more is wasted.

    I recently visited the Princeton Plasma Physics lab and was told by one of the chief scientists there that there budget was only a few million dollars and if they were only guarenteed that some, they would be years ahead in their search for useful fusion energy. I recently worked on a project that had a budget of a few million dollars and IMVHO, had the money for that project been diverted to this lab, humanity would be much better off. Unfortunately, I don't make those decisions.

    It follows a more Zen philosophy, of just being.

    I had taken what you wrote as saying that you didn't try to be great, just good. To settle for just being good. To me, one can be great, or one can not be great. There is no middle ground.

    OK, we had better end this right now, or we will get modded down for having a reasonable discussion. This isn't the place for that. :-)

    What's the point of hitting the cap if you can't burn karma a bit every once in a while :) What I still can't figure out, is how I had 50 prior to the above post, and then it got mod'd Troll=2, Insightful=3, Interesting=1, Overrated=2, and all the sudden, I'm at 48. Last time I checked -2 + 3 + 1 - 2 == 0. Guess Taco does math as good as he spells :)

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  97. Re:Pleasing to the touch and pleasing to the eye.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might be happy being fat but there is no way I would be. You might like your pale white flabby body but I prefer my tanned, ripped body. And yes I am a full time programmer.

    I am not saying you have to be in shape to be happy. Hell, everyone should do what they want to be happy. I just prefer having meaningful relations with people who like me for my mind and body, not for my wallet.

  98. Marathon des Sables by Rupert · · Score: 2

    The title of the race would imply that it's run on sand. If that's true, 20 miles per day is very impressive.

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