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Want Anime Network on Your Cable System?
ccnull writes "The Anime Network has launched a "tell your cable company to carry this station!" campaign on its web site. Just enter your ZIP code at the top of the site's home page (it looks like a banner ad) and you'll be that much closer to Samurai X 24/7. In case you hadn't heard, the network launched in late 2002." No support via DirecTV. I filled out the form already- I crave this channel.
Is Invader Zim anime?
:)
Probably not. Ah well. I don't really watch any anime, except maybe Samurai Pizza Cats, so I won't be demanding anime network locally.
please don't add yet another worthless channel to my cable service petition.
Do we really want samurai x on tv 24/7?
and as we all know dubbing is evil.
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it's Kenshin, you insensitive clod!
Too bad they're limiting what they show to those properties they own the rights to. Or at least, that's what I thought I read somewhere recently. And that would also explain why their offerings are somewhat limited.
I'd say that the number of geeks that enjoy anime vastly outnumbers those interested in sports. After all, until recently when anime started entering the mainstream in the US it had an almost entirely geek fanbase.
No, not really.
Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
But after I entered my Zip code, it gave the error "Not located: XXXXX"(XXXXX was a real zip code)
Maybe I can do a write in for Orbitel.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
Why do I enter my zip code to be taken to a form that correctly picks my cable company, only to ask what town and zip code I live at...?
Apparently my zip code is too long for their banner thingy...
You can't take the sky from me...
And if I wanted to watch anime (which I don't), I'd go to the noid.
I wish we could get it but our cable company is too busy restructuring than getting new channels and stuff. This sucks a lot, I have to steal TechTV from a friend of mine with a pc and cable internet (luckily we get that from them....) It's a sad life under adelphia. Give me a satilite any day if it were for having a fast internet connection.
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Er, yah...right...
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% of geeks that enjoy Anime: 93%
% of geeks that enjoy "Quake III" type "Sports": 62%
% of geeks that enjoy "traditional" Sports: 3%
Well, we have a Games section now and AFAICT any "sports" that most geeks would enjoy would fit there pretty well. If you happen to actually be a geek that actually likes real world sports, well all 7 of you can easily find www.espn.com, you don't need
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i don't want the anime network.
that pansy-ass crap that passes for anime nowadays pretty much makes me happy that the old animes of my youth are long forgotten. i'd rather not see their corpses reanimated (it's a pun, c'mon, it's funny) with bad english dubbing and their characters on tshirts for all the pimply faced 15 year olds to wear.
i am at stage 5 on the fandom cycle (reproduced in reply for your pleasure) and would rather everyone just go away.
project a-ko, this one's for you!
I would have rather Turner had spun off all of their anime and "edgey" shows into a Toonami network. It could have been a nice mix of stuff like the Adult Swim line up with hardcore anime shows mixed in. Anime is good, if taken in moderation.
Geeks are a subset of sports lovers, while they are a superset of anime lovers.
until recently when anime started entering the mainstream in the US it had an almost entirely geek fanbase.
Just because the fanbase was only geeks doesn't mean that all geeks like anime.
Disco Stu was talkin' to you.
I think you underestimate sports (we are talking hockey with canadian geeks, soccor/football with european geeks, etc...). I have geeks over for all sorts of sporting events (almost every steeler game), and a lot of engineers that graduated with me LOVE college basketball.
After all, until recently when anime started entering the mainstream in the US it had an almost entirely geek fanbase.
Linux has an almost entirely geek fanbase, but I suggest that the same amount of geeks (if not more) are windows users.
Think about it...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Because Slashdot is all about what Cmdr Taco and his buddies like and reinforcing geek stereotypes moreso than breaking them down? RTFM. :)
Sports are nearly ubiquitous in American culture. Anime is not. That's my take on why sports do not belong here, but anime might.
For my part, I'm not going to subscribe to cable even to get an all-anime channel. Just not worth it-- especially since all the anime is likely to be dubbed and not subbed. I am considering getting Dish Network though, because that way I can get at least one semi-authentic Japanese channel (albeit with very little anime on the schedule) in addition to stuff like Cartoon Network and probably eventually this Anime Network.
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I'm not going to argue that anime doesn't have a geek fanbase, but your reasoning is logically flawed.
what you are saying is:
Anime fanbase is largely geek
Therefore, most geeks like anime.
That's not necessarily true.
See this example.
The people who work at my desk are largely geeks.
Therefore, most geeks work at my desk.
See the flaw.
At least you'll get to see it. If you really like it and want it subbed you can buy it on DVD! The problem I have with Anime is that no one I know locally watches it and the local video stores think that Anime begins and ends with Dragonball Z (though Spirited Away has made a dent in their flat heads). I don't know which Anime I like and which I don't.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
If you happen to actually be a geek that actually likes real world sports, well all 7 of you can easily find www.espn.com, you don't need /.
Slashdot is a meta site. If you like hardware, you can find tomshardware.com, you don't need slashdot. If you like space, you can find space.com, you don't need slashdot. Etc...
% of geeks that enjoy Anime: 93% You are waaay off. Its more like 50% (unless you are talking hardcore, travel hours to go to a startrek convention geeks, only).
And if you want my arguement on anime and sports and nerds, look at my other reply in this thread.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Sorry not gonna buy into this - 1 reason DUBBED
Maybe i'm a snob, maybe I just have a thing against nails grinding on a chaulkboard - but I can not stand dubbs of anime. English voice actors (for the 99% most part) are TERRIBLE and make the anime totally unwatchable for me. If they were to offer the anime subtitled however - then I would be willing to support them - until then - they can burn in hell for all I care.
Ave Molech Setting
yeah, thats a load of CR!P.
For those of you who are less informed Anime fans, the 'Samurai X' referred to in the body of this post was originally titled Rourouni Kenshin.
Bad name for a good show. Bad dub, no doubt. I still cringe when I hear what the west did to Carcaptor Sakura....
"I hate Cthulhu, Cthulhu hates me, I kill his cultists, He eats worlds for tea"
Coward. Why not use your nick? Not man enough to stand behind your words? Ask yourself, what would do?
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Traitors!!!! all of you so called geeks who diss anime should be ashamed, and screw sports! yes this is a rant, it's my rant damnit! I would pay oodles for this channel and wtf is wrong with taco posting something he thinks is cool? somewhere you people lost the fact he is the founder of this site... i'm so sick of all of your complaints so what if they post dupes? can't you guys forgive a simple mistake... Going back to the topic this is "News for NERDS!!" if you want sports go to espn, this is a place for the things that we nerds value most, like hot anime chicks that don't wear many clothes and far off worlds that we can only dream about... *puts on his flame shield* and i love you kenshin!! :X :X
Just imagine how scornful we would be if supposedly hip Japanese men in their 20s and 30s started falling head over heels for Disney animation and Tex Avery. We'd laugh and call them morons, and rightfully so.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
That's funny, because I honestly know more chicks that are into anime than guys.
/. making fun of anime fans is a case of the pot calling the kettle a bucket.
Now, if the parent post had been marked up as "funny" that'd be one thing, but "insightful"? Try "ignorant", "rude", or "holier-than-thou". Different people have different interests, and someone reading
If you answer "Yes" to this, you also answer "No" to ever having sex with a real girl the rest of your life.
Unless you're smart and resourceful like me, who knows plenty of cute asian girls that dig anime...
sorry loser.. better luck next life...
If anime originated in the USA, would it still be considered "cool"?
Somehow I doubt it.
Ah, that's overrated anyway. Bring on the fake girls!
FUCK YOU. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Why should other people who DO like it be forced to surrender to your piss-poor cultural taste?
Okay, okay - I take it back. The Bachelorette is a great show.
The input box is limited to 5 symbols.
If not windows users, then OS X users who get bitchy when people call OS X "just FreeBSD with a pretty front end".
:) I use Windows XP, 2K, and FreeBSD.
:)
I avoid Linux
And to stay on-topic, I don't like anime! Wee. I do like sports, though. Like a true geek, I prefer to observe rather than participate.
As a Canadian I must say I'm disappointed that the Anime Network hasn't a single mention of Canada... In fact I'm hurt... Now I feel I don't want the Anime network.... www.realdirect.net
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I just faxed my local comcast in under 2 minutes. They should be given props for their innovative/userfriendly approach to getting their name out there. I hope it works out well for them. Then maybe State representatives can take a hint and offer a web-based faxable feedback form also :)
The Surgeon General says sigs are bad for me.
Just as the hordes of anime fans on Slashdot have no interest in hearing about others' disinterest in anime. And yet so many like you are going to post to this thread saying how they don't care because they don't like anime. What's the point?
I have several theme movie channels (Westerns, Mystery, Love Stories, Action, True Stories) and they are generally not as good as expected. Why? Because they can't get the rights to all "good" movies (since they are in high demand and thus expensive). Mystery shows The Avengers on weekdays but other than that is about two Columbo movies away from being Lifetime. I saw Predator on Action... quickly followed by The Fast and the Furious.
Everyone seems to think "Yeah a channel that was purely __________ would rock! I'd so watch it all the time!" Sorry but it wouldn't be Akira followed by Princess Mononoke. More likely "What the hell is this?" then "God... this really sucks." Unless someone feels like throwing millions of dollars into a moneypit, I fear this will disappoint.
The only pure channel I could see enjoying would be a kung-fu movie channel. Why? Because the unintentional comedy runs high in those films. The cheaper/worse the movie usually the more people like it. Of course there is a fine artistry to The Five Deadly Venoms and Shaolin Master Killer but anybody can enjoy the endless kick-to-the-genitals jokes and bad dubbing.
What is music when you despise all sound?
Oh, but I forgot. People would rather bitch and moan than take some initiative.
Jeez, if people don't like anime, they don't have to watch it. There are, what, more than a hundred channels on cable now? And over 500 on satellite? I'm sure there's something your parent poster can find that will make him happy.
"People should be allowed to keep midgets as pets."
- Gov. Jesse Ventura
The point is that the folks who don't like it are not going to vote, and they are not going to watch.
So even if the anime channel gets added to the lineup, it will surely fizzle and die due to lack of true viewership.
This is Slashdot! None of you get laid anyway!
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Except they're not just going to charge the people who watch the channel. Everyone with that cable package has to subsidize the anime-watchers.
I have no interest in watching a fat, stupid, Marilyn-wannabe parade around whining, wasting away her dead sugardaddy's money...but you don't see me bitchin' about getting E!, now do you? I hate rap/hip-hop/most of the crap on MTV. The Home Channel bores me to death. Travel channel- eh. The ABC/Disney "family" channels make me want to puke within 5 seconds of accidentally switching to them. Don't get me started about the tractor pulls and Shooter's World on OLN.
That's why smart people invented a feature that lets you delete/add channels from your TV's set of channels it scans through when you hit up/down.
That's also why you pay specificially for some channels(gasp! What a concept!) If you don't want the Anime channel, then don't bubmit your zip code, don't effin' buy it...and if it comes with the standard package(highly unlikely), deprogram it from your TV...kay?
Please help metamoderate.
Just post more football stories & you'll get progressively more comments.
Seriously. TV has these two interesting features, CLOSED CAPTIONS and SECONDARY AUDIO PROGRAMMING.
Why the hell can't they show anime with the original japanese soundtrack on the SAP channel? Then I could just set my TV to SAP and turn on the english closed caption channel. Instant subtitles for anyone who can't stand the horrible dubbing.
If people would wake up and realize most anime fans hate dubs maybe I'd consider getting this channel or watching the crap that's on now.
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I don't have a TV connection but I'd consider getting one if I could watch anime in Japanese with subtitles. However there's no way that's ever going to happen so I'm sticking to downloading off Kazaa... I mean, uh, purchasing 30-min DVDs from the Viz Video online store @ $55 USD each... yeah that's it.
Poor Canadians are always getting shafted... no postal code option... www.realdirect.net
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You see the difference is that in Japan anime and manga are popular almost universally. In Japan it is a (very) frequent and acceptable occurrence for middle-aged businessmen to be reading manga on the train to work. Those guys actually make up over half of the manga sales in the country.
Some have speculated that their popularity comes from the fact that the harsh Japanese education system completely ruins books as a source of entertainment, so other forms have taken their place.
There is a difference in culture, and just because in the US all of the animation is garbage (as opposed to Japan where only most of it is) doesn't mean that other culture is wrong.
There's this wonderful invention called the remote control. And if your TV is advanced enough, you can program the channels out. Wow, what a concept.
Having an anime channel available doesn't hurt anybody. It's better than the stupid home shopping and golf channels.
Holy Shit! You're right. Nice analogy.
But it's only abvailable on the internet on some channel called Kazaa. I forget which station that is, but they play really cool stuff!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
And after a few years in America, most Real Asian chicks have completed their transformation into the above. But the saying is true, if you enjoy having sex with women, get the fuck away from cartoon shows and get outside.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Speaking as a happily married man (2 years now) this is flamebait if I ever heard it. Guys- if some dark corner of your mind tells you you need to change your hobbies to meet women because gaming, computers, reading, or anime (or other similar pursuits) are too "dorky"... kick its ass back to the Gap from whence it came. Here at IU, the anime clubs are all about 75% women to 25% men. Elsewhere there are numerous gaggles of gamer girlz. One LARP I'm in is about 65% female to 35% male. So don't worry. There's nothing wrong with you, or your hobbies. Just keep looking. Oh, and while you're at it, can you burn me some VCDs? I still can't find the rest of GITS SAC. ^_-
Trolling-putting a rubber c0ck down your pants and cutting it off with a chainsaw: noisy and it makes you look d1ckless
I'll call you, when I'm in the mood to beg for television channels.
*guffaw*
Get a life!
haha so true. :)
grow the fuck up
Nah, I won't be requesting this. The channel sounds cool and all, but my cable bill is already high enough as it is.
If added on Comcast, they would then likely raise rates way in excess of what the channel actually costs them; worse Comcast in our area would likely have to remove another channel to make room for this one.
On an aside, some friends say I should consider getting a dish, but there isn't much competition there either, and it's not the bargain it once was when one adds in all the "extra" charges to get local channels, niche channels, extra boxes, etc - plus the phone line aspect bothers me...surely the dish companies could upload data via ground-based wireless networks where available and eliminate the phone line requirement for folks in those areas.
What? Taco's wife hasn't killed herself in disgust yet? What the fuck!
So you answered a rhetorical question. Everyone thinks you are stupid for answering rhetorical questions. Is that hard to understand?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
will this allow me to get that anime show where they chop the bound, gagged, and crying female cartoon into little pieces and shove her in a suitcase?
or what about the one where they take the bound and gagged cartoon, cut her up, and eat her with chopsticks as she cries out..
gotta love the anime.
I want to pick and choose the channels we actually want, rather than get all the shit we have now. I don't want the fucking Golf channel, I don't want AMC; but I do want MTV2 and some "real" porn channels. Can I get that choice? No, because my cable company sucks ass! Petition all you like about getting your Anime, but in the end you'll still be paying too much for too little.
I vote for Cable reform!
Aiyeeeee! Hide your snack foods, your soft drinks, the television zombies have been summoned! Bring out your dead!
we need a 24/7 japscat channel..
especially the show where they give the woman an egg enema and have her straddle over a giant griddle...
I don't recall saying that all geeks like anime. I had simply said that more geeks are into anime than sports. The argument that anime is an inherently geeky thing is simply my argument for why it is appropriate for Slashdot. While many geeks do like sports, it is not a typical trait of geekyness. Thus if you're interested in more mainstream news such as sports, I believe places such as ESPN are perhaps better venues.
I'm sorry - but are we supposed to take a post like this from a guy named "EvilFrog" seriously? Or are you just an avant-garde troll, using a post-modern technique of pretending to be an ubergeek?
Multichannel TV? Hah! Five is at least one too many...
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
Some of them really like Anime too. Miyazaki films are great films to show a date, and they usually come out of them interested in watching more Anime. If you're seeing a girl on a regular basis, a really good choice is maison ikkoku.
So don't believe the stereotypes.
whoooo-weeee! Dude, maybe you should try decaf?!? I hear there are alot of brands out there just as tasty as the real thing.
Spread the RC luvin'
Those guys actually make up over half of the manga sales in the country.
Typical slashdot. Just make up some facts to support your case. I read that 0.01% of manga sales are to people over the age of 17.
Here this? Better grammar check your posts before commenting about others' poorly written drivel.
You know, some geeks smoke pot. Given the insanity-to-reality ratio of your post, well... makes me wonder if pot wouldn't a minor plus in your life. :)
C'mon. Be thoroughly interested in how your left hand twitches that certain way when you get pissed off. ;) Before you know it you won't realize just what you were pissed off about. :)
Especially Beavis and Butthead.
Ren and Stimpy was cool the first year, but after Space Madness came out everything that followed was lame in comparison.
South Park is pretty cool too, but very inconsistent.
What???? You're talking about that Japanese crap??? Maybe if there were 10,000 free channels it would be worth wasting one on that drivel, but until then keep it off my system! Not worth the raise in rates or losing another channel to make room for it.
My motto is: Never give up - unless it's harder than you want it to be.
Just imagine how scornful we would be if supposedly hip Japanese men in their 20s and 30s started falling head over heels for Disney animation and Tex Avery. We'd laugh and call them morons, and rightfully so.
The thing that is laughable is that Americans go for the kids shows. At least it isn't An-Pan Man, but Kenshin is a kids show, and so is Yu Yu Hokusho. They were made for children in mind. There are a plethora of adult-geared, or young-adult specifically manga/anime tales. It is the way comic books are, from a Frank Miller perspective.
The shows that Americans get all gung-ho about are the ones that are for the kids, and commercialized. The ones for young adults are usually listed down towards the bottom that nobody sees. Just like US Comics/Cartoons have some of adult nature (The Maxx, Aeon Flux) there is the equivalent in Japan. Except there are a lot of them.
We all laugh at the Simpsons, South Park, and Futurama -- but it's not ok to laugh at the Japanese equivalent? (If only Americans watched most of it)
I personally would love to see a true Japanese channel. There are some freaking awesome comedy shows, but sub-title it! The people who dub Yu Yu Hakusho should be shot.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
I hope this (is it?) is owned by Cartoon Network. So they can take all that shitty anime crap that's meant for japanese 12 year olds out of "adult swim".
I'd much rather watch ATHF or SeaLab 2021 than this Trigun crap. They could air anything in its place... Oblongs, Family Guy, Home Movies, Ripping Friends, even Dexters Lab or Johnny Bravo. Hell, air some old Gi Joe episodes.
This badly dubbed anime crap has to go. It's not "adult".
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Or worse yet, 12 year old girls with purple hair that have bodies like 21 year old women.
It's just shitty cartoons.
Ha, haha....ha Nice
Was I the only person who saw this as a reference to Rick Moranis (as Vince Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer) in Ghostbusters? I am such a dork.
Aren't you dead?
And you are an idiot.
Anime is not just "Disney and Tex Avery".
A more appropriate analogy would be if they suddenly started worshipping the Simpsons or Daria. (An even better example would be the Clerks Animated series, but since only about five people ever watched those...)
On a related subject, good children's programming actually works on two levels. There is a surface layer which appeals to the children, and there is a deeper level which serves to entertain the parents. The best examples of this are the 1960's Batman series (kids love the superheroes, parents laugh), Rugrats (kids identify with the Rugrats, parents get to identify with and laugh at the older people), and Spongebob Squarepants (which works on many levels).
Galium Arsenide is the material of the future, and always will be.
I do. Yum, yum, cookie!
I *loved* that show. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it. Something to do with the destructive nature of alcohol on brain cells, apparently...
"Like a true geek, I prefer to observe rather than participate."
See, that is why you geeks never get laid.
Typical slashdot. Just make up some facts to support your case. I read that 0.01% of manga sales are to people over the age of 17.
You have a point about Slashdot, but you are wrong. An essay on manga, that states "One Manga magazine typically sells 5 million to 6 million copies every week." There are also over 200 popular manga issues. Don't believe me? Go to a Seven Eleven or Circle K in Japan. All under the magazine rack is just stacks of manga. "How can the Japanese achieve such high sales, because the young to the middle-aged, male and female often purchase Manga magazines."
It's actually well known for people to read manga, and you will see it a lot. 0.01% of one manga sales may be to people over the age of 17. Just like I don't think any people without children watch An Pan Man.
The typical manga issue is about $4 in Japan (I think about 500 yen) and is freaking thick. It's usually rough art, with little detail just to tell the story.
I know too much about manga.. and I don't even read it. Although I did get a porn magazine for a friend that had an utterly bizarre mini-manga story in it... one that I really wish I never had read...
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
I know you are, but what am I?
Who said I never get laid?
WHO TOLD, DAMMIT!?!?!
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I have a serious question - and I'm not trying to flamebait here, I just honestly don't "get" anime. I mean, do you have to get hooked on anime when you're young or something? Maybe I was watching shitty anime... it just really struck me as... well... stupid (apologies to fans - i'm not raggin' on your tastes - i'm just being honest about how i see it - specifically I've sampled a couple anime movies that we're supposed to be really good: akira and princess mononoke). Do you have to approach it differently than other movies/shows to appreciate it? If so, how? If on drugs, which ones? :-P
then don't subscribe to cable you idiot
I'm subsidizing the fucking golf channel, you don't hear me whining about it...
Seeing one or two animes and declaring it all crap is comparable to seeing an ep of "Married with Children" and an ep of "Survivor" and calling American TV crap.
Go to high school and learn about statisics (sample size here) and logic.
Baka.
children..... quit your bickering.... man how testy we become when we dont watch our pokemon after (grade/middle) school. I hope they put an anime station on all forms of tv, and then purge it from the channels that I watch. The inclusion of anime to Adult Swim is just offensive. The sooner they put crap like cowboy bebop and lupin III on it's own little cess pool, the sooner they can get GOOD shows like Space Ghost or Home Movies.... I for one dont wish I were japanese.... me happy roundeye!
Anime is low-framerate, melodramatic, misogynistic garbage. Every anime movie I've seen - and I've seen a few, thanks to my "friends" - falls into this category. The animation of anything that's supposed to be moving quickly is laughably bad, the dialogue is just dumb and juvenile, and there is always - ALWAYS - a shot of a tied-up chick being either terrorised or mutilated, usually with a shot up her skirt thrown in. How can anyone be addicted to this stuff?
No, but the frame rate would rise above 10fps for the entire movie.
The real story is not that Anime is breaking mainstream, but 'Video On Demand' is Breaking mainstream. This channel is a V.O.D. Cable companies are sliding around the age old network/ad revenue streams and starting to except new models, at least for cliques. Unlike the RIAA and MPAA they aren't killing their businesses by refusing to provide customers with the content delivery systems they crave. Sure, It's on the edge where they're not hitting traditional streams, but then again Linux isn't competing head to head with Windows until it soften them up either. There me be hope for the world after all.
How 'bout we create a moron section, where people can talk about sports, television, anime, case mods, ways of acquiring diabetes at a young age..stuff like that.
Keep the chickenheads happy with their blocks somehwere in the back, and out of sight.
I wanted to spend a few points in this discussion, but in this case it look so useless, that I'd rather loose them...
it's a legit question.
why do people like anime?
Go to a Seven Eleven or Circle K in Japan. All under the magazine rack is just stacks of manga
Go to one in america, the magazine rack will be all stacked with "Teen Beat" or "WWE Magazine" or "Heavy Metal Weekly" and other adolescent drivel. Your point from some essay written by some anime fan means nothing.
The shows that air here seem adult. But they are written for children. We have a different definition of adult, we consider Cowboy Bebop adult because they're shooting guns and killing people. That's acceptible for a childrens show in Japan.
You have to look elsewhere for proof that its a childrens show - the plots. The plots are such simplistic "good and bad" drivel that they're practically fairy tales. They aren't deep or brilliant, they dont make you think.
They have the same plots as any childrens show over here, just not the knee-jerk reaction to violence.
A full grown Japanese man may be reading manga on the subway. He gets the same reaction as a businessman reading a "Spiderman" comic, Japanese society is just more polite when it comes to pointing and laughing.
Don't kid yourself. Japanese cartoons are still cartoons in every sense.
Not if enough people buy cable as a result of something like this being offered. In that case the incremental expense of adding this programming would either be met or exceeded by the number of new subscribers (or more importantly, continuing subscribers). What I'd like to see is true a-la carte cable ordering. I'd love to be able to just get a local channels package and add Animal Planet, Cartoon Network and maybe one or two others rather than paying $50 for a whole host of channels I have no interest in at all.
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I dont want it on my cable system.
I dont want my rates jacked up so that you can have it on yours.
People have a perfectly valid reason not to want to get gouged for more new channels that they dont want to watch.
Anime Network is up there with WE and the Golf Channel.
But is it Edited/Censored? If it is, then it's no better than what Cartoon Network does and I don't want it.
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What makes you think that "posting anonymously" gives you privacy from super-users like CmdrTaco? Have you ever noticed that you can't moderate after posting to a discussion, even if it was anonymous? (Yes, I know about cookies, blah blah blah). Just an observation...
Who the hell in their right mind would actually create a show dealing with a small SUV-like product from Japanese automaker Suzuki?
I'm sorry, but as must as I respect educational channels on television, a 24 hour mathematics channel seems to be devoid of almost any entertainment value. Solving differential equations has nowhere near the entertainment value of say, a series on African wildlife. Your remark on childish TV comics is justified with a great amount of anime. I can't say Dragonball Z or Yu-Yu Hakusho is much more than an excuse for violence. But like in most cases, generalizations can often be proven wrong and proves for a weak argument. Take Rurouni Kenshin on Cartoon Network. Before watching the show I had no idea what the Meiji era was, or what Japan was like in the 1800's. I came out of watching the show with a good deal of knowledge about the Tokugawa and Meiji eras of Japan. Then there are animes like Graveyard of the Fireflies, or many of the films by Miyazaki. These are anything but "childish TV comics", and have a maturity that many stateside films lack. Also, i doubt that watching anime cripples one's ability to read in any way. It is my experience that a good deal of anime fans read on a regular basis, though I'll admit many of them read science-fiction or philosophy for the most part. On the other hand, among those I know that rarely read for recreation, almost all of them never watch or have even heard of anime. I'd have to say I would enjoy a 24-hour anime channel much more than the vast amount of crap on television right now.
ummm... you kinda just did.... as far as that goes, how much money do you spose is relational to the number of channels on the cable provider? It seems to me comcast would be just as happy charging $50 for 3 channels if they thought they could do it without being sued. Most channels dont rely on the cable companies paying to carry them, vice versa... they want more companies to carry them, so they can charge their advertisers hella bux.....
Go to one in america, the magazine rack will be all stacked with "Teen Beat" or "WWE Magazine" or "Heavy Metal Weekly" and other adolescent drivel. Your point from some essay written by some anime fan means nothing.
The original guy was saying that manga sales are common amongst adults. In Japan. He was right. You've obviously never been on a commuter train at 5 o'clock leaving Tokyo.
A full grown Japanese man may be reading manga on the subway. He gets the same reaction as a businessman reading a "Spiderman" comic, Japanese society is just more polite when it comes to pointing and laughing.
Uh, no. You're just being a retard.
Don't kid yourself. Japanese cartoons are still cartoons in every sense.
Just like Heavy Metal isn't a kids cartoon, Japanese cartoons are sometimes made for adults.
The shows that air here seem adult. But they are written for children. We have a different definition of adult, we consider Cowboy Bebop adult because they're shooting guns and killing people. That's acceptible for a childrens show in Japan.
The ages are about the same. Did you forget GI Joe? Little kids watch drivel like An Pan Man. Pre-teen watch the romantic shows, or Kenshin style shows. The teenagers watch the equivalents to South Park, Beavis and Butthead and stuff like that. Then there are adult stories, which are plenty acceptable to watch and read, because almost everybody in Japan does it.
It's like reading a freaking book, not Spider-Man.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
I don't see what my handle has to do with it. I could argue that "whirred" is no better.
And I could argue that your own reply seems like a rather elaborate form of trolling, where the intent is to accuse other posters of trolling themselves.
Watch "Grave of the Fireflies".
Then tell me all anime is crap.
I'll still think you're wrong but at least I'll assume it's something with your brain instead of your being uneducated.
Trolling-putting a rubber c0ck down your pants and cutting it off with a chainsaw: noisy and it makes you look d1ckless
Hear hear. I don't have anything against those Nipponese folk, but I'm damn happy to be a gun-toting, beer-drinking Texan.
Anime has gotten so popular in the USA that it's here to stay. It's already mainstream ("RTFA" as they say). You just haven't realized it yet.
Well said. It's posts like that that make me wish I had mod points right now.
Ive already seen everything there going to be showing thats new almost a year ago. Some of there other shows have been out even longer.
Yeah but stupid, I have to pay for it regardless.
Why not add a few hard core white supremecy channels, how about dial-a-nigger for them gang-bangers. Oh yeah why not the dub-ya special channel? Maybe 20 channels of ice melting in Alaska. Top it off with the all-"seven eleven" shopping network for middle class america...
The thing is when they add a channel I pay for it anyways [even if I don't order it cuz it factors in indirectly to what I pay]. So when I say "adding the channel bad" and you say "change the channel" I would reply "you pay my bills!"
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
The Clerks Animated series was God awful. I watched a few of those recently on Comedy Central at 1AM and can totally understand why it got canceled. Kevin Smith is so overrated its insane. His movies are just 20 somethings bitching about life for 2 hours. Fuck him.
Aren't we discussing anime? Comic books have fuck all to do with cartoons.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Have you actually ever been to a Japanese convenience store? There are a few mangas that don't involve women being raped, but you have to look to find them. And fight your way through the crowd that's standing around reading.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
The "...wierd buggy eye..." (sic) thing originated in the US with Walt Disney and was copied by the Japanese before WWII.
Get your facts straight, please.
Well parried, my rapier-witted friend! Your defensive, avant-garde trolling techniques are quite advanced!
Have you actually ever been to a Japanese convenience store? There are a few mangas that don't involve women being raped, but you have to look to find them. And fight your way through the crowd that's standing around reading.
Yes, I have. They have the mangas separated into sections. My guess is you just don't know the kanji for "Rape and Sex"
As for the crowds... yeah, but I don't read manga. What pisses me off is that a magazine that is 600Y in the US costs about $10. It's cheaper to have a friend buy 5 and mail them.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Ooh, how elite are we? Nice drop of the "I've been in Tokyo and you haven't" part.
Ah, so now you just don't like what I'm saying because I'm right and have experience. So you argue with this point.. er, I think it's a point. Could you help with this.
Aren't we discussing anime? Comic books have fuck all to do with cartoons.
No, apparently you didn't see the post I originally responded to. Go back and look in the thread, I'll wait here.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
> Typical slashdot. Just make up some facts to support your case.
t ml
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,50518,00.h
Read the second graph. Then, go away.
Of all the topics on Slashdot, anime seems to get the worst rap. The most common diss is that it's a "crappy cartoon". This is as unreasonable as saying "Windows is a stable OS"
Anime is more than just a crappy cartoon. You want a crappy cartoon, watch the disney channel sometime in the afternoon. Yes, some anime is bad, in fact, a lot of it is. Come to think of it, there are lots of crappy TV shows (reality tv anyone?) and crappy movies (fast and furious anyone?). With any genre, there comes the good and the bad.
One of the best anime review sites on the web If you take a look at rankings of most anime shown on american tv (cartoon network, most notably), you will notice that MOST of them are only in the 50 - 80 % range. The anime shown during the "adult swim" of cartoon network have a much higher average. I'll bet most of you anime dissers are judging the whole of a genre based on the anime with the lowest averages **cough**Dragonball Z**cough**.
It'd be like me saying that all sci-fi movies are as bad as "This Island Earth".(Neglecting the fact that it is SO bad that it's funny)
Broaden your spectrum, all ye naysayers. Either that, or stop posting under the anime topics. You're ruining it for those of us with an appreciation for the art.
(And I would request the channel, but I'm stuck on DirecTV)
(Yes, I would rather have subs. But dubs will do till they realize that I'd pay more for subs)
Just a guess, but I'd bet most of them prefer the romantic soap-operatic stuff (eg: another post mentions Maison Ikkoku) rather than the giant transforming space robots and sailor suited magical teens attacked by tentacle-things.
I'm male, but personally I can't stand most anime fans because they're just in it for the multifaceted over-the-topness that many animes feature. I used to go to a club movie day, watch the Gunsmith Cats and go home...
Uh..no. I don't this taking up precious bandwith at my CMTS.
**cough** anime sucks **cough**
holy shit, why don't you cry me a river? if you want cable, pay your cable bill. if you think you're going to get the 3 channels you watch in one convenient little package, you have some important things to learn about the industry.
or friends with better taste.
They have Comcast listed, but they don't have Millenium Digital Media listed! COME ON! Hook up with some of the good cable companies!
(Already emailed them)
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If you answer "Yes" to this, you also answer "No" to ever having sex with a real girl the rest of your life.
Fine with me. I'm straight & female.
Probably under your missing 'h'.
um yeah I know but thats why adding *more* crappy channels is *not* a good idea. Besides there *are* cartoon networks which *do* show anime like americana crap.
So either change the way TV billing works or provide an option to vote against the new channel. I'm still living in a democracy last time I checked.
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
Where are these anime clubs you speak of?
How much it this really going to cost you? Besides if it isnt this channel it will be another one. Your rates may increase with or without this channel.
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/Class ifiedWorks/5A8B5476EC64E60980256D0500264117?OpenDo cument
I know you're just trying to make a point with that comment, but I really don't appreciate the Texan added in there. Just so you know, Texas is host to some HUGE anime conventions. One of the most popular being A-Kon
Cable companies are not democracies. It is a PRIVATE service that is not funded by the government. Maybe you are thinking of the BBC?
What you mean an idiot?
Sure, it's ADVision, but no Sailor Moon?!
:(
No use for me unless they get Sailor Moon.
-uso.
ADV has the rights to the first two seasons. I have yet, however, to see subtitled DVDs of them.
Dreams, dreams, don't doubt dreams, dreaming children's dreaming dreams. Sailor Moon SS
Folks,
We have to understand that Anime Network has just only started on its rollout!
Thank God that Comcast--who is underwriting part of the cost of the network--is the largest cable system provider in the USA (I think). At least here in the San Francisco Bay Area and in the Sacramento, CA area, due to the fact Comcast owns the cable systems, it means Anime Network will likely roll out as part of digital cable packages later this year. =)
Ahhhhhhrggghh, how it pains me when I see it called that. Sorry...
yes it does. neener neener!
Drat! I say!
Usotsuki and I must needs Sailor Moon! Where else will we learn how to dress like virginal school-girls and nance about giggling and so forth and so on.
ADV Films has announced the first season of Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon on subtitled UNCUT DVD just within the last few weeks. It'll be out in July in a US$149.95 box package that covers all 46 episodes of the first season.
I will warn you the original uncut version is quite a bit darker and more mature in subject matter than the DiC "adaptation" released in 1995, so you might want to view it before showing it to anyone under 13 years old.
Why is there nothing modded +5 in this post yet?????
Um, I doubt your state recognizes your "marriage" to that blow-up doll, so you are just as single as the rest of the pear-shaped losers that you watch cartoons with.
I've noticed that video games (at least the year's top-10 I tend to stick to) with voice acting manage to be quite well executed. Deus Ex and NOLF come to mind here. Why aren't they hiring these people to do anime dubs?
What, you mean "Mr. Personality" is high-class entertainment?
Any major university is likely to have an anime club (or 2, or three). I'm at Indiana University, for example.
If you're not near a university, major cities also tend to have anime clubs.
Google around a bit, and you'll find something. These clubs are great for newbies (most of the time) since the people running them tend to be friendly, knowledgeable, and willing to lend.
More experienced viewers occasionally get frustrated with their slow pace, however. (Typically clubs watch a few episodes per week of 3-6 series at a time)
Trolling-putting a rubber c0ck down your pants and cutting it off with a chainsaw: noisy and it makes you look d1ckless
meh in your world maybe...
Sincerely,
T. Turner
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
You want a wedding picture, Anonymous Jack@ss troll? Post under your real name, and I'll send you some.
As for being pear-shaped, I have put on a little weight since I stopped playing 3 sports in high school (which was a while ago...), but a good Pilates workout every other day keeps the pounds off and the muscle tone up. I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a low-impact workout you can do anywhere without any special equipment (although there is some for really advanced techniques).
PS - Trolls, it's always fun to play, but you need to stop and think for a while if you're going to come up with something above a 4th grade level. Try using a thesaurus. It might help. Reader's Digest also has these nifty sections on increasing your vocabulary. Give 'em a whirl.
Trolling-putting a rubber c0ck down your pants and cutting it off with a chainsaw: noisy and it makes you look d1ckless
If I wanted anime, I'd get it from P2P.
Futurama and Home Movies are two of my favorites form Adult Swim. But they definitely could put more stuff in there. Honestly it would be kind of cool to have an adult swim channel and have even more risque/violent cartoons than are currently on adult swim (futurama is on fox during primetime for crying out loud, so kids probably watch it.)
Warning to anime fans - this one's got spoilers.
Think what is silly? "Childish" TV comics? (btw, before you claim they "cripple your ability to read", try watching one subbed. I suggest Excel Saga or His and Her Circumstances)
Try watching Serial Experiments Lain. You might have interesting discussion material for your next mensa club meeting. If you have an environmentalist bent or a strong stomach, watch Arjuna. Interested in the future of relationships? Watch Chobits. Interested in the future of mankind? Watch Saishuu Heiki Kanojo/The Last Love Song on This Little Planet.
Sex and nudity aside, these titles all deal with themes that are far from "childish". Lain deals with how the internet affects everyones lives and relationships. Free access to information... everyone, everywhere connected together. Arjuna deals with a girl who is tasked to save the world, but then she discovers that the true threat is mankind itself. Chobits is the story of a not-too-distant future, where computers come in all shapes and sizes, but mostly in the form of sexy androids. What purpose is the human relationship when your lifelike android can be programmed to be the perfect mate? What about the feelings of those who reject mechanical companionship, but find there is no human left to love them (the analogous situation described by a children's book, The City Where No-One Lives in the story). Finally, the Last Love Song is about a couple learning to love each other even as the world is literally falling apart around them as war ravages the planet, kills their friends, and finally seperates them.
So yeah. Thats a lot less "childish" than most live action shows you see on TV. Imagine that, dealing with real issues, instead of creating and solving a crisis in 30 minutes (they take an hour in some time slots!).
By the way, if any of those books you read happen to have any substantiated claims about the nature of friendships on the internet, I'd love to read them.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Sorry, had to work in a hentai reference :)
You want a wedding picture, Anonymous Jack@ss troll?
Sure! That would be cool! But first I'll give you some time to fire up Photoshop to do some creative "editing". I want you to have time to make the picture super special.
thx
Here's two best bets: check out anything by Studio Ghibli (best animation salaries in Japan) or (nearly) anything by Production I.G. (second-best animation salaries in Japan, natch). Out of those studios' output, I'd suggest FLCL (excellent 2 1/2-D animation; it's also the most [if not the only] Warner Bros./Tex Avery-styled anime I've ever seen), Spirited Away, and My Neighbor Totoro (we studied the first Catbus scene from this film in one of my animation classes).
I find that I tend to watch anime how I watch any other animation: I follow certain directors and studios. I watch Hayao Miyazaki's films just as faithfully as I do Brad Bird's.
what about canada, you insensitive monsters :)
Anime roxs...
btw I like Dragonball Z, any other similar anime to suggest ?
I have noticed that many people are complaining that since all the good anime will cost too much and thus most of the anime will suck.
Well I would be happy with that? Why? Most of us who have collections of Anime I'm sure already have the "good anime" on DVD. This leaves all the "crap" that we haven't seen or heard about. I would take my chances with seeing a rare anime that I never would have seen normally because of it's obsecure nature.
But I'm sure for most people out there they will still have an occasional good piece of anime.
I'll be happy to expand my horizons with both a bunch of crap and some good stuff which I have never seen.
So 50% of the comments will be something like "hahahahha stupid jap cartoons why is this on Slashdot", made by people who could have just turned the category off in the first place.
40% will be regarding dubs vs subs, and how American actors couldn't splutter out a few lines to save their rear ends, while Japanese seiyuu are suddenly God's gift to voicework. Hint: Just because it's in a language you don't know, does not automatically make voice acting good.
The other 10% will actually be on topic.
Good point on that last paragraph. What most people tend to forget is that animation-- including kids shows-- is made by adults. Animators love and go nuts over things like Spongebob, mostly because they're brilliantly written and aren't dumbed down. If only more shows were like that...
No.
"I say consider this day seized!" -Hobbes
"Tomorrow we'll seize the day and throttle it!" -Calvin
Sir, I fully agree with CmdrTaco that the Anime Network should be carried by EVERY cable system. If you're close-minded to the benefits of quality cartoons being broadcast in North America, then I truly feel sorry for the people who are influenced by your opinions, sir.
How 'bout you come over to my house, then? That should provide all the proof you need.
I'll even bring you some ice after my wife castrates you for making fun of her indirectly.
Why my wife and not me? I'll be too busy in the computer room trying to Photoshop some creativity onto your posts.
Trolling-putting a rubber c0ck down your pants and cutting it off with a chainsaw: noisy and it makes you look d1ckless
The fault of the stigmatation of animation as kids stuff lays not so much with Disney, as with childrens programming on TV. Animation was much cheaper then any alternatives. That is why Saturday morning TV has historicly been dominated by crude animation. Everyone in the US has grown up with this shit. Disney is also constrained by the radical Christian Right, who watch them like a beat cop watching a begger, looking for any excuse to rail them out of town. Remember the furor over "The Lion King", "Aladin", and "Pochihontis", not to mention Disneys ownership of Touchstone. Disney does in fact do a good job of producing bi-level films. I realy enjoyed "Lilo and Stich". As far as Anime, I think even the kid stuff is more mature in some regards then what would be done in the US. A very good example of this is "The Return of Mewtoo". I am not to sure why this is so. It might be due to the unimaginative marketing droids that have been responsible for most kids programming in the US. Fortunatly this has changed with no going back. Disneys "Gargoyls" had some fairly deep stories and some well developed characters. The Cartoon Network has done wonders. I am addicted to "Samarai Jack" even though it is episodic. But there is still a lot of crap like "G.I.Joe" and "The Justice League" (the later has some hope). Even the monster of the week Anime like "Dragonball Z", "Yu Yu Hakisho", and "Yu Gi Oh" have better character development then these. BTW, there has been a measurable amount of Animation targeting adults in the US. For example, "Wizards", "Fritz the Cat", "Lord of the Rings", all from Ralph Bakshi, in addition to the "Heavy Metal" movies.
I love Anime, and I've had vaginal intercourse with over 35 women (I lost count), and sexual intercourse (including hand jobs, oral sex etc) with more than 50.
What, did you just run and check all your receipts?
Once again, I need to throw in that I find english dubs to be horrible. All of them. Don't even try to tell me, "Well Cowboy Bebop was a good dub." Because it wasn't.
And that is probably what will primarily be shown (I heard that they were considering subtitled stuff LATE AT NIGHT, which doesn't do me good since I'm asleep).
Second is the fact that they probably will mainly show things I've already seen. It might sound like arrogance, but I'm currently watching Wolf's Rain, Scrapped Princess, Last Exile, and DNAngel.
If this stuff even gets onto the Anime Network, it'll probably be there 2+ years from now. There is no incentive for me to watch shows I've already seen.
Samurai X
Ah yes, another reason. The stupid anime-is-cool trend. I've watched anime since the early 90s because I LIKE it, not because it is cool and trendy. This is a stupid ploy by companies like ADV (and others) to label anime as cool and the next wave of extreme animation, and crap like that, and retitle shows like RUROUNI KENSHIN with stupid names like Samurai X because it supposedly sounds cool.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Actually, in Japan, manga and anime have noticeably atrophied children's use of the Japanese language. To the extent that the Government has instigated a mandatory reading hour, where only Japanese novels can be read.
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Does anyone know if the anime on this channel will be edited for content? Dubbing can be pretty bad, but what's worse is when they edit the stories for content. Many times the story lines don't make as much sense and entire scenes are cut out. Sometimes entire episodes. If this becomes mainstream, I truly hope they aren't edited shows. Course, american culture would have to accept more nudity and/or blood for many shows. Guess there's not much chance of that.
KhyronI understand peoples arguements about commercialization, fandom, group think, etc. and I do agree with some of it. I never wanted to see Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh, Card Captor Sakura, or a host of other children's anime imported because I KNEW it would be dumbed down and thoroughly demolished. Most Anime is slaughtered in translation or editing for American television. For no reason other than some corporate gimps think american audiences are still composed primarily of prudes and religious fanatics. But look at daytime and primetime television and the same stuff is on there. Why? Because Anime is cartoons and cartoons are for kids! I say BS, but that's cause I am sick of turning to any given Major Network channel at random and seeing nothing but unhealthy relationships. I hate Friends. To me Rachel, Ross, and Monica exemplify the worst traits of personal relationships. I won't say this doesn't exist in Anime, but is nowhere near as prevalent. Most TV shows run by NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox have at least 1 character in them equivalent to 1 of those I mentioned. So honestly, I do prefer cartoons to network TV. At least cartoons are entertaining. BTW, the Anime Channel is strictly a VOD (video-on-demand) service channel. They have a line-up of shows and movies that you order and can watch for a certain period of time with all the bells and whistles of a VCR or Tivo unit. You won't have to pay for the channel unless you order a show or you have Comcast (sorry, couldn't resist the dig) Anyways, I gotta run. I got laundry to do before Trigun comes on tonight!
Even the monster of the week Anime like "Dragonball Z", "Yu Yu Hakisho", and "Yu Gi Oh" have better character development then these.
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I've always wondered why it is so common for anime to use all of the episodes to tell a complete story - in *every genre*, not just the soap operas and weird "thinking man's" series. The first time I was really exposed to epic-rather-than-episodic animation was the X-Men series from the 90s, so my best guess is that it's because so much anime is based on manga, which usually takes advantage of continuity because of the nature of the print medium
If I had mod points, I'd give you one just for knowing Bakshi.
What surprises me most is that I haven't seen any posts about the lineup. Just bitching about dubbing and ADV shows. While some of you may be upset that they're showing "A crappy dub of Kenshin that they're calling Samurai X" I say get over it. Yes, the dub sucks. What's important to me is paying a small increase on my cable bill rather than spending hundreds of dollars on DVDs just to watch a sub. Ok, the voice acting is sub par compared to the Japanese. I'll suffer through it, because the story is still there and Japanese story telling is still better than American story telling any day of the week.
Has anyone looked at the line up? Goldenboy is being shown. Goldenboy! Yeah, we've all seen it, but I've been watching the Simpsons for well over 10 years now, it's still funny, and I'll still watch it. Excell Saga? Yeah, it's popular, and yeah, it's way overdone, yeah, it still makes me laugh harder than any anime I've seen in a while. I'll watch it. Gunsmith Cats, EVA, Those Who Hunt Elves, Spriggan, Burn Up, that's some good stuff there. What's better is the fact that I don't really want to buy a lot of those series. EVA's good, and Burn Up is always good for fanservice and some laughs, but sometimes I wonder if they're worthy of watching and rewatching at the cost of $25 a DVD.
Anime's come a long way kids. Yeah, it's a trend, that blows. I miss the days of sitting around trading fansubs online at 2 AM. I guess this is where I say I'm into anime because it's different than American cartoons. Superior? In a lot of ways, yes. What's cool is it's a different cultural viewpoint. Cry all you want, I know so many of you are hardcore otaku. If that's the way it is, fine. $150 a box set is good for you, an extra couple of dollars chocked on to my cable bill every month, well, I like that more than the alternative.
This is when people start throwing money around. When people watch, more stuff will follow. It can only get better.
I think its mostly due to the fact that an average season of anime series are 36 episodes long instead of 13 like american cartoons. Since you have 3 times as many episodes to work with and your viewers will be seeing them much closer together, you have time to draw out battles or explore character histories without viewers forgetting what happened last episode. I do agree that in shows like DBZ and Yu-yu its can bog things down a little, but these shows were designed to be seen 3 times a week not 5, and thus it can be annoying. Oh, and for mister MENSA, fork out the cash for cable and try watching a little discovery before you say there's nothing on....JEFF CORWIN RULES! ;)
Uh, no. You're just being a retard.
Yeah, he just doesn't know what he's talking about. I spent three years in Tokyo and I can say that the comic book scene there is totally different from here. Imagine weekly comic books that are 8.5" x 11" and two inches thick. These are definitely designed for adults. Many have adult themes including nudity and sexuality. And no one would think twice about an adult reading one of these on the train.
Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
While this campain looks promising .. it is sort of telling that Yahoo flags the campain email as spam. .. but than again my very much opt in email notification from my long distance provider is flagged as spam.
Actually, for true anime fans (those that don't speak japanese anyway), there is no difference between watching and reading.
This just in: Taco, you're a loser.
Um. The english closed caption would TRANSCRIBE the horrible dubbing, not the actual subtitles.
You do realize that an American TV signal can carry up to four caption channels, don't you? Put English dubtitles on caption 1 and the real English subtitles on caption 2, and then put Japanese audio on SAP, and you've satisfied most viewers.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I heard that they were considering subtitled stuff LATE AT NIGHT, which doesn't do me good since I'm asleep
TiVo.
Will I retire or break 10K?
we consider Cowboy Bebop adult because they're shooting guns and killing people.
No, we consider it adult because it has adult themes and ideas that don't happen in children's stories. How many children's stories do you know that end with the hero getting waxed by a sword wielding psychopath? Would children be interested in the non-combat focused episodes (there are a lot). The show is far above a childs level, not because of shooting at each other, but because quite frankly children probably couldn't understand or fully enjoy it.
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It's dubbed--most anime fans won't even watch this channel, much less anyone else. How can this possibly work?!?
If you are an anime fan, things are pretty good right now--readily available fansubs from IRC, newsgroups, and bittorrent sites, and most new anime eventually comes out on DVD. This is the golden age for non-Japanese-speaking anime fans--it doesn't get much better than this, folks!
Tex Avery? Morons? Go back to France, ya commie bastard. A man who can't apreciate high comedy has no place in my country!
I'll tell you what, go pick up a Lilo & Stich DVD and a bag of weed and we'll see if we can't beat some artistic appreciation into that head of yours.
You think it's possible to produce a show more Freudian than that thing? It's like watching the big breakthrough from Rupert Murdoch's therapy session that reveals something about his traumatic childhood. What's in the tubes now? Penis Island?
Though, as Freud would say, sometimes a shitty dating show is just a shitty dating show.
Will this channel be on the cable lineup and censored or will it be something extra you can order like HBO. I really hope it's something extra you order because I sure as hell don't wanna watch some show that was obviously incredibly violent/pornographic/cursing and it be like "I am gonna blow your off you mother, I'm gonna so hard you will be sorry."
"Guns don't kill people, bullets do."
and what's with those big eyes - don't they creep you out?
The guy you're responding to is just trolling.
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They put out good flamebait, though, and I guess a ton of people are replying now
I wonder how many of you are actually nerds. I'm not talking about someone who likes to watch certain shows. I'm talking about a REAL nerd, someone who is into stuff like science, technology, computers, etc. Just because you're obsessed with something, doesn't mean you're a nerd. That's a geek; there is a difference. The reason I'm asking is because I'm surprised by how many anti-anime posts appear in the anime topics. I've read that nerds have a tendency to like anime. I even read a book (I think it was by Susan Napier) that even stated that most students who are into anime are ones majoring in either computer science or electrical engineering. I also read on a wbesite that there is a well deserved stereotype of anime fan being either a college student majoring in a math or science degree or an older adult who is in the high tech industry. Now I'm not trying to make you feel bad if you don't like anime. If you are a genuine nerd who doesn't like anime, fine. It just seems that anime topics get way more anti-anime posts than one would normally expect from a website that's supposed to be for nerds. An interesting aspect I've noticed is that so far every anti-anime post that I've read and that gives reasons for not liking anime tries to assert that ALL anime has a certain small list of bad characteristics and nothing more. Now I'm not trying to convert anyone to anime, but saying that ALL anime is a certain way when you haven't even seen ALL anime is just plain ignorant. There is nothing inherent anime characteristic that prevents it from being good. All an anime is is a cartoon that was made by Japanese people. Are you trying to say that it's physically impossible for someone with Japanese ethnicity to make a good cartoon simply because that person is Japanese or because the story in question is animated? That's like saying that's physically impossible for an American to make a good live action movie simply because the person is American or because the movie is live action. The point I'd like to make is that unless you've seen every single anime ever made, you cannot rightfully say that ALL anime has a certain characteristic unless it's characteristic that is a part of or logically implied by the definition of anime (that being a cartoon from Japan). Maybe most of you anime nay-sayers wouldn't be fans of anime if you saw a decent, diverse amount of anime, but there is probably AT LEAST one anime that each nay-sayer would like.
1.Be in japan and watch it there
2.Buy dvds and be ripped off by suncoast or buy the Hong Kong imports
3.What I see as the best option....download it off the net, through IRC or what is now becomming the best option, bit torrent. Check out http://www.animesuki.com for starters. It has some good current series on it.
And for all you trolls out there who don't like anime, perhaps you'd change your tune if you had seen some anime other than pokemon and tentacles.
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Does this mean we can finally get the anime off Cartoon Network? Please God, let it be so!
You report, Slashdot decides
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(AL = anime lovers, AH = anime haters)
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;-)
AL: Dude, anime rocks! Long live the anime channel!
AH: No it doesn't, it sucks! I don't want that channel, it's got cooties!
AL: Rocks! (x10)
AH: Sucks! (x10)
AL: Oh yeah, prove it!
AH: Oh yeah, prove it!
AL: Here's some statistics/anecdoatal evidence/articles that tells how cool anime is!
AH: Here's some counter statistics/anecdoatal evidence/articles telling how sucky anime is!
AL: Liar, anime rocks!
AH: Anime sux! It's for kids!
What is the big problem with some people liking anime? Seriously. Yes, some people get WAY too carried away about how great anime is, but I don't see what this big debate is about. From what i've read, it's mostly people supposing and assuming various untrue things about Japanese people and anime fans. (Kinda like how the world stereotypes 'hackerz', but anyways...)
In any case, folks, I think a woman is far more likely to be turned off by guys who rabidly debate pointless topics like this than by some guy who watches anime.
Ok anime haters, I'm going to teach you a magical trick. Log into slashdot, select preferences, and select "anime" in the "Exclude Stories" section. Wow. Slashdot no longer posts anime news!
As for me, I already submitted my petition for the anime network. Thanks Taco! =)
Jesus Christ, there hasn't been a single decent or relevant post in this entire thread!
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Cool, but useless.
Detected topic: Anime channel available, how to tell the company that you want it
Intended audience: local US users who can possibly receive the channel
Reached audience: WORLDWIDE DISTRIBUTION
Don't be offended, but for me this again shows (rather sadly) that for many people only their local backyard exists.
I've experienced this a number of times, e.g. if you order something at Sharp.com, and you even know someone in the US where the goods may be sent to.
Place Order -> Get Confirmation -> 2 days later: Get Cancellation Message: "You have a VISA card in a non-US country".
Ouch! Wasn't Visa intended to be accepted everywhere?
Or the many order sites where I have to enter a state, even if the country is not 'United States'.
Sometimes I wonder whether a "Globe of the U.S." award exists or such one would be appropriate. ;-)
Please accept my humble excuses if the channel is indeed available worldwide. :-)
...so far my 2 cents :-)
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Actually, that's not a legit question.
Anime is a style within a medium (animation).
Might as well ask "why do people like French cuisine?" or "why do people like impressionist oil paintings?"
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Let there be Bubblegum Crisis 2040 through the WORLD!
Let there be more Cowboy Bebop!
Let there be Excel Saga!
Let there be Neon Genesis Evangelion!
And let there be the final season of Sailor Moon with the Sailor Stars - SUBTITLED!
As a matter of fact, let there be three Anime Network channels - one dub, one sub, and an HDTV channel that incorporates both features!
No I don't like what you're saying because you're a pretentious, namedropping fuckwit.
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Then don't tune to that channel. Geez. Do you complain about reading certain websites as well?
No I don't like what you're saying because you're a pretentious, namedropping fuckwit.
Is that really the best you can come up with? You say that someone who has been to Tokyo, in a conversation about Japan, is a namedropping fuckwit because they say that they have experience in Tokyo. Riiight.
So, if someone used to own a specific car, and someone says that this car makes popcorn, and that person says, "No, I used to own that car, and it doesn't make popcorn." then they are a name dropping fuckwit as well?
Your logic is astounding!
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I went to the home page to sign up my ZIP code. I saw a link about "New Jersey". When I clicked on it, there was a press release that it was *already* on Comcast On Demand.
I did notice a lot of anime choices on the regular on-demand menu. It's just that we usually only watch Showtime On-Demand. P&T's Bullshit! rocks.
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Eh, my girlfriend actually prefers stuff like Gunbuster or Evangelion (if you know your anime, you will see a pattern there, probably a few). Loves all of the various Gundam shows, too (Gundam Wing, dubbed no less, was what got her hooked on anime. No joke.). Sure, she enjoys stuff like Revolutionary Girl Utena, but what kind of freak doesn't like that show? :)
Well done shonen is usually just as enjoyable as well done shoujo to a viewer with a variety of taste. I think the fact that in Japan, traditional Western 'chick stuff' like credible romances, melodrama, lots of character development, etc. are all very common even in art directed mainly at boys.
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I happen to work for a cable company. The harsh truth is that you have to pay big money to get carriage. Fox News set the mark by paying $10US per household to get on to the analog tier. Digital channels like the golf channel are paying $2-4 per household. On the flip side they may get $.10 - $2.00 in subscriber fees over the life of the contract so the net result is very profitable. Do an NPV analysis on a 7 year cash flow and you'll see what I mean. Still the barrier to entry is high and no ammount of letter writing is going to force a system operator to give away what they have always sold.
Maybe you should check out this response to my post. That poster obviously got the point you missed -- that the offerings on this would-be anime channel are quite limited, NOT that they should illegally broadcast anime shows which they don't own the rights to.
But despite the fact that they're taking a big chance here, I think they limit their overall appeal by limiting the library of titles which they'll debut with. Consumers aren't going to watch the channel at all just because it's anime, just as they wouldn't subscribe to the channel if it didn't have titles that appealed to the masses. Or at least, broadly enough to justify establishing a dedicated anime channel.
I really hope they make the cut, and have the chance to expand their offerings in the manner you describe. My girlfriend and I are both big fans of cartoons in general, and having oodles of anime to watch would be most welcome indeed.