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Anonymous Coward writes "Bringing us one step closer to becoming centrally-controlled meatbots, Japanese scientists have developed a device that produces power from the glucose in human blood. Theoretically, this technology (aka "Dracucell") could produce 100W of power. Of course, it can't produce that much power in practice since your body stupidly wastes glucose in maintaining homeostasis. The scientists propose that this devices could be used to power implanted devices. Now how many of you Slashdotters would it take to power my laptop? I'll buy the cola!"
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This actually is kinda neat. If it can run on glucose it probably can run on fructose/sucrose/lactose and a lot of other sugars..
This of course brings back bad memories of Biology and the "Citric acid Cycle" and ATP..
Dr Kazuo Eda, heading the research, said: "It is like the metabolism of food. Human bodies can process glucose and obtain energy. When glucose is oxidised, electrons can be obtained."
IANAB (I am not a biologist), but if the process our bodies use is different from how this devices creates electricity, isn't there a different waste product? Or can our bodies still use rusty glucose? Or is oxidized glucose harmless waste?
I guess we just need to combine this technology with a form of fusion, and we're really in for it. Now drink your power aid.
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...a bunch of scientists made a realistic virtual world which could be powered by humans hooked on to devices that could produce electricity from the human body. And in other news....agents are looking for a couple of anarchists called morpheus and neo.
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So "The Matrix" was a documentary??!?
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Want to burn calories while sitting in front of your computer at work? How about shedding those extra pounds while powering your TV at the same time?
This way people will get an increased metabolism (since some of your sugars are being converted into energy for non-local entities), and they will be able to reduce the number of batteries and other power sources needed.
Just wait till the come out with some nano-bots that run off this process and will scrub the plaque off your arterial walls. That would be the killer app.
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Think about it. Burning extra glucose means it cannot be stored as fat or what not.
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Kinda also revives the coppertop thingy from the matrix though...
What they really need is an implant that looks like a wall outlet so I can plug my discman into it
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So, does that put a new meaning on "Making your blood boil?" :P
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Last two times I had blood extracted, I passed out and held up the doctor's office for 15 minutes in the process. Oh well, it's back to pencil and paper. Unless it now requires paper cuts...
Give me an implant that uses electricity to create glucose, so that I can plug myself into the wall and not have to stop to eat during those long coding sessions.
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These things just get stranger and stranger :(
Whats next... clone farms that are senslessly slaughtered to create the said blood to power our world o_0
Would the morbidly obese qualify for US Department of Energy rebates?
No need for those diets.Eat all you want and then just convert the extra clories into energy. No more flat batteries.
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We can't program a soul yet. Talk to a man 200 years ago and see if he would belive that flying is a regular thing for us.
"For years, I struggled with reality... but I'm happy to say I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
Duh.
The clones continually create blood. There's no reason to slaughter them.
Is creativity nothing more then a very basic function of an advanced brain? If we can develop such analytical adept brains, why can't another organism given time? Why can't we create one?
Even certain birds can solve puzzles using techniques that researchers never included in the equation. Nothing suggests that the human brain can accomplish tasks that we could never program a computer to do. The ideal of a "soul" is actually fable/fiction/pure speculation, and does not deserve to be included in a scientific debate.
Just my two cents.
I, for one, welcome our new blood-sucking masters.
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Will nerds who LAN party all day lose the extra weight?
I mean of course the fat nerds. You scrawny nerds might now even be able to tap into this.
I know 100W (75W proc) isn't much for a desktop, but it could probably power a laptop, or at least really extend it's life. Or bosses could have special low power desktops and pay the employees to power the system being blackout immune and less expensive. Just keep the Fresca in stron supply.
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Slight Calorie starvation greatly increases longevity, and lower overal coloric intake is the number dietery life span predicter.
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Raising my blood sugar is as simple as a 25 cent cola.
Being able to make my own power in times of trouble would be priceless.
(Especially considering how often the power can suddenly go out where I live.)
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I'm hoping in the next town there will be
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If I don't keep them pleased they'll be
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You know, some fly-by-night internet "entrepreneur" is going to spin a tale about how this pioneering new technology can help you increase the size of your penis. You watch.
Well, all the Matrix jokes aside, this does have some potentially excellent applications. I remember the first time I heard someone talking about pacemakers and how the batteries in them wear out. I asked the obvious question, "How do they replace them?"
It involves surgery. YIKES! Granted, it is probably minor surgery compared to getting the thing put in there to begin with, but knowing it was powered by your own blood would surely be a welcome change to these folks.
I mean if you think replacing the battery on your motherboard is a pain, think of doing it on an outpatient basis.
"Contrarily the lookaside buffer might not be the panacea... "
Computers can nerver be as smart as humans because of the simple fact that humans have souls...
I take it you've never worked with sales people....
There was an interesting article on genetic algorithms in popular science or popular mechanics a few years ago (circa 1998 or so I think).
Anyway, the specific application being developed was designing an FPGA circuit to detect whether or not a tone (of a specific frequency) was being played. Genetic algorithms were being used to "evolve" circuit designs on a computer, then upload them to the FPGA.
It ended up being the case that the final design used far less gates than any human could reasonably design. And, none of the human EE's could understand how it was done at first.
After analysis, it was shown that the evolved design was using subtle interplay between different parts, and that analog effects from gates next to each other were affecting the results, etc... - all things that an engineer would not consider. (In fact, not even a good thing to consider because it wouldn't work on other FPGAs, even of the same model number, because of the subtleties of the analog interaction).
But, the point is that the problem was solved by a computer program, in a much more efficient (and certainly, "creative" and "outside the box") way than humans would.
Also, note that the humans couldn't understand at first (and took quite some time to understand) a relatively uncomplex system (a few handfuls of logic gates)...
If we assemble systems with orders of magnitude more complexity (millions of gates), operating in similiar ways, there is no way a human will understand it. At this point, it will "come up with" solutions to problems, and there will be no way for a human to understand how it is coming up with these.
At that point, how could you argue that the systems (computer vs human mind) were different, or that one were better than the other, if they were each solving obscure problems, and we didn't understand either?
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I wonder how this would work in a diabetic...
For external as well as internal devices, why not a thermocouple instead of something as potentially invasive and draining as a blood-borne device?
I guess bums won't have to go to the blood bank for extra cash anymore. Instead, they can just stand around airport terminals offering blood to power some desperate execs laptop! WOOOWHOOOO
If your body were full of nanomechanisms that feed off the glucose that you ingest and someone pumps you full of glucose will you overheat in some fashion? How would you keep the process in check, or does it naturally stop "feeding" when it is fully powered up? And what happens when the process starts using all of the available glucose?
The other big issue I see for embedded/implanted mechanisms is control. Diabetics currently are the only ones that have to be hyper-aware of their sugar intake. In the future with these types of implants we could all end up with a glucose monitoring system of some sort. I say buy stock now.
If Darwin was right, you'd be dead by now.
Could be used as a source of energy for implantable pacemakers and defibrillators, with the battery as a backup.
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You are arguing that the brain is more than the sum of its synapses. This is one of the core questions in the fields of psychology and AI, and is being pursued by the top minds in each field. We will probably not know the answer until we can simulate the human brain and see what happens.
To back up your argument, you should probably know what the soul is and how it interacts with the physical brain, otherwise how can you say it's not a behavior of the brain?
Hell, I would use it just to help burn calories and loose weight.
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The matrix exists to turn people into batteries.
Non article readers should note that the systems was developed by Panasonic Nanotech Research Lab, for the purpose of powering bloodborne nanomachines.
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There are those who mod thier cases and those who mod their bodies... but the lines are blurring. Soon people will be buying LED's and Dracucells to implant under their skin. Just think... You could implant a matrix of LED's in your back to operate like an animated billboard! Who will be the first beach-bum to add a cellular uplink so they can sell ad-space online?
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You talk about intelligence, and being as smart as humans.
When you talk about intelligence, you are really refering to _human_ intellegence.
Do you not understand that what is considered to be intelligent behaviour is relative to your environment.
Do you understard that it would be very stupid for
- a cow in its native environment to behave as if its a hippopotamus.
- a human in its native environment to behave as if it were a bird.
- a computer in its native environment to behave as if it were a human.
Why would a computer think like a human, its not a human. It doesnt have a human body, or a human mind, neither does a cow, a bird or a monkey, but it doesnt mean they dont possess intellegence.
We shouldnt be so arrogant to only percieve inteligence as behaviour that mimicks ours.
If we fully understood the human brain, if we could predict behaviour based on the brains current knowledge and its environmental stimulus then would you still consider humans to be inteligent ?
Any technology sufficiently advanced appears like magic, thats what our brain is.
Just because we are masters of our computers doesnt mean computers are incapable of intellegence.
Just because we dont understand our brain doesnt mean it has a magic quality, a soul.
But if you were to make one that ran off of human fat, we could take advantage of our tremendous natural resources here in the United States. Now that would be a renewable energy policy.
Now we know what Shylock really wanted that pound of flesh for. Too bad he stuffed up the contract and forgot to order the blood option!
Bionics, imagine this device power Geordi life VISORS for the blind... or heart implants, you name it.
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This is definitely not an area where anyone would want a killer app!
Well, now that I think about it, just not for oneself... >:]
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If I can own an idea, does that mean I can legally claim some portion of your soul once I tell you that idea? Or even if you just come up with it on your own? Heck, who needs contracts in blood... (except the nanobots now)
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1. Have some sort of actual device sticking out of the body. This is bad, because it breaches the skin, our natural defensive screen, and such things tend to become very easily infected.
2. Surgery to replace cells. Again, any surgery at all is going to be both expensive and risk prone.
More recently, a third option has become available: having fully implanted power system that can be recharged wirelessly, via em radiation of some kind (you can google for it). This is a big gain, because it allows devices that are more power hungry while still maintaining the benefits of not breaching the skin and not needing frequent operations. But it still requires people to remember and have access to the appropriate charging device consistantly. If for any reason some one forgets or can't recharge, the device may shut down, sometimes with fatal results. So having a way to remove one more step for powering these things should really help improve the quality of life for a lot of people today.
Of course, personally I find this to be a very exciting development for future things as well. When we get to the point of having more optional implants, for things like boosting hearing or vision, a way to power them will be necessary, and if the power requirements are low, then this system would be perfect. Ultimately, widespread adoption of anything, from an OS to a vehicle, is all about making it as easy and intuitive for end users as possible. There is a lot of interesting stuff going on for advanced things like brain-computer interfaces, and people who are interested should look around, as the state of the art has advanced a great deal in the past 5 years. Here are a few links for the curious, and much more can be found with google, of course:
Graz University of Technology
Standford/DVA Neural Interface Project
Beyond the Big Barrier(lighter, intro type stuff)
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Have you ever heard of Cybernetic Poet? Or any of the music composing artificial intelligences? They regularly produce art which human judges mistake for man-made. Sure, it's not 100% indistiguishable yet, but it appears that with more processing power comes more 'correct' output. You are showing your carbon-bias. Your brain is really no more than a neural net itself (ok, it might have some quantum computing ability,but that is far from accepted fact). It just happens to be more powerful than artificial neural nets we can put together now. And, did you know (speaking of souls) that there is an area of the brain, that when stimulated electrically, causes the person in question to feel like they are having a religious experience? This goes a long way to say that artificial intelligences might well be able to experience the same things we do, if made sufficiently complicated.
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imagine 50-60W worth of LEDs... drink the Mountain Dew and glow green, start to run out of sugar and you'd glow red.. people could start eating when they changed color instead of when they were hungry
At least the war on the environment is going well
I could see a future in using this technology combined with some glucose monitors to help diabetics to keep their blood sugar under control without needles or external monitors. With a simple implant, an individual would be able to live a completely normal life.
This one has some more actual research, as well as a lot more links and citations.
I don't know about you, but I don't consider the maintenance of homeostasis in my body to be a waste of glucose.
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I remember in the '80s that the idea of running blood over dissimilar metals to produce electricity came up as an idea to power electronic devices. The problem was, the dissimilar metals were things like Aluminum and Cadmium. These are not metals you would want in your body if you could help it. I wonder what new toxins this invention would introduce in the body.
Of course, a possible application could be using to power RF tags for endangered species - of course if there is an issue on the toxicity of the power source then all we would be doing is allowing ourselves to document in excrutiating detail our extinction of the species.
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Scientists at Matsushita's Nanotechnology Research Laboratory in Japan are developing a power generator that uses blood to produce electricity. It emulates the process the body uses to convert food into energy. The scientists say the "bio-nano" generator could be used to run devices embedded in the body, or sugar-fed robots. Dr. Kazuo Eda, who heads the research, says bio-nano fuel cells are the next step for researchers after generators powered by hydrogen, natural gas and methanol. Hmmm... robots that use humans as batteries -- can The Matrix be far behind? ;)
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Self powered diabetes control systems. You can use the excess glucose into power, and when the level is too low, it can release a reserve of glucose.
Weight loss implants. Eat all the chocolate you like, and then use it to start your car.
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If they can figure out a way to get a reasonable amount of power without adversely effecting your health, this could be most excellent. I don't think we'll be powering our laptops and cell phones with this, (although a cell phone doesn't suck that much power) but for powering a pacemaker, as someone else suggested, this would be quite useful.
Also of use would be powering the so-called "Soldier of the Future". If our military is indeed to have Deus Ex-esque implants, then this could power them effeciently. I also wonder if this could power night vision goggles...
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We already know how to create the last two and - wait a minute - we know how to create souls too !
to start pumping out more low power chips! Feynman gates anyone?
consider this. We can (theoretically) model a entire cell in action although it takes a very very very large amount of processing power (the video about the CRAY X-1's has a guy talking about his dream is to be able to model an entire cell and petaflop supercomputers would probably allow this). The brain is made up of cells. Theoretically by moodeling every single cell in the entire human brain it should be possible to recreate a human-like intelligence level. (there are some obvious limitations to this). Note that we can't even model a single cell yet (the brain is comprised of many many many cells (billions?)), let alone in real time.
This is all 'theory' of course but I think while perhaps the most accurate way to approach the problem, it also is more than likely the slowest. Also, from my *limited* understanding of the human body I gather we know not even close to enough to accurately model a human braing given infinite resources (memory, manpower, processing speed, whatever else i can't think of).
My point being is artificial intelligence on the mammal (or more specifically human) scale isn't something as unaproachable as you would like to think. If we don't annihlate ourselves in the next thousand years (I wonder if they said that a thousand years ago?) I imagine that significant strides will have been made towards human level A.I. despite protests/laws barring such research.
Don't take me the wrong way, I fully agree with you that processing speed probably isn't the most prominent thing barring us from recreating human-like intelligence but it's certainly up there (right underneath our general lack of knowledge as to how the brain operates).
DAMN YOU, HOMEOSTASIS!!!! You ruin all my hopes and dreams!
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I once had a girlfriend who made me ponder this question every day. I'd gaze deep into its brown eyes and think to myself, "this toaster is pretty complicated, but there's must be something wrong because it screams even when I'm not hitting it."
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My ear-mounted reading lamp dims when I get the munchies.
"Pacemakers ... How do they replace them?" ... It involves surgery ..."
... anyway that's what I've heard.
Pacemakers are now recharged by induction, without surgery
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Yes, and when they break down and start clogging your arteries with silicon and steel, it may truly become (at least in the beginning) a truly killer app.
Sarcasm aside, though, this idea certainly shows a great deal of promise. Heart disease as we know it may be drastically reduced. I'm all for it if it works properly.
In other words, on a 2000 kilocalories/day diet...
1 kilowatthour = 860 kilocalories.
2000/860 = 2.3 kilowatt hours
2300 watts-hours/24hours = 96 watts.
Pretty amazing that we humans only run on 96 watts of power.
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Low glucose levels are not a good thing, ask any diabetic. The first thing that tips you off is a headache. 100 watts is one heck of alot of drain. Though I dought whether this level of out put can last for more than a few seconds considering the human uses only a fraction of that to power muscles and biosystems combined. Even when we are working really hard our bodies are extreemly thrifty. As glucose levels drop we become dizzy and disoriented. If the liver can keep up glucose production then the effect passes. The feed back loop of hormones in a healthy individual then signals for more glucose production and the insulin cycle continues. ./ers most likely know that if you hack for 24 hrs straight you can get a hell of a head ache without doing much physical labour. What am I saying, the one thing programmers try to avoid at all cost is real work. Most IT managers think that humans do not really need work breaks. Coke 'n pizza and give 'r does not work if you use muscles.
This system would put one hell of a strain on the cycle and would make you tired so fast it could not be practical without some form of glucose level feed back that would shut it down if the levels got too low. Having the person quickly faint from low blood sugar levels is entirely possible. Though some
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the efficiency of conversion of biomass to energy by the human metabolism is very, very, poor. It's not that the oxidation of glucose is so inefficient, it's that there's so much energy spent digesting food to glucose in the first place.
Chickens and rabbits do much better. But then, what kind of a movie would it be if Keanu Reeves was trying to free acres and acres of penned hens? I know, it's about his speed. He'd probably get an Oscar for best supporting actor.
Er, as I was saying, the human body is not a very efficient producer of energy, and the amount of fossil fuels used to produce our food is staggering.
What would be more useful, in terms of the worlds energy demands, is if these guys could *reverse* the process... By putting energy IN to the metabolism, synthesise glucose from H20 and C02. Ideally, the energy source would be good old solar insolation on exposed skin.
So, lay around in the backyard naked for a few hours and save the money you would have had to spend on doughnuts.
This isn't too incredibly speculative, plenty of organisms do this already. The downside is, you'd probably be green, but if everyone was green, it wouldn't be so bad.
Having devices leeching off your blood glucose supply would effectively boost the rate at which you're burning calories, forcing your body to break down fat to maintain blood sugar levels, without the nasty side effects of all those stimulant-based weight-loss pills on the market today.
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Yes, but both of these simulations work using patterns that were derived by analysis of existing works, which by definition always happens after the real creation already took place. Therefore nothing the machines produce is remotely original, they were just programmed to produce something similar by humans, who used their real intelligence to identify patterns that could be codified into a form a machine could understand. People do this too, imitating musical styles of past composers, for example. So in this way machines can be made to be sort of like people, producing new outputs from a fixed set of inputs, creating examples of rules.
The real problem arises in simulating truly creative human activities - for example the creation of an entirely new method of composing music that did not previously exist. Maybe it is an extension of something that existed before, or a synthesis of disparate elements. How do people do things like this? Much of it is based on intuition, interpreting their sensory experiences, and then creating something new. All this is difficult to define in terms of a machine. Even worse is the question, why do people do this? What motivates them? You have to simulate both the how and the why to create a truly creative entity. The machine must be able to create new sets of rules for itself, and must do so not arbitrarily, but for a reason. Aha, you say. The ability and motivation to create new rules must be defined in a sort of meta-rule! Right, all you have to do is understand the operations of conscious thought. But there is a showstopper problem with that notion - you must understand conscious thought from within your own mind, in terms of your thoughts. I reason by analogy here, but isn't there a mathematical principle that says that many systems cannot be proved from within themselves?
Otherwise, you get 'creative' machines as they are now, clever, highly trained parrots. Nothing more.
I will proceed further from 'interesting' into 'making people angry', and inform you all that my opinion is that artificial intelligence that has the creative capacity of humans will never exist. This is because I believe humans were endowed with their creative capacity by their Creator, but not given enough analytical ability to understand their creative abilities well enough to truly replicate them. Maybe if you have the mind of God you can create the mind of a human, but how can you create the mind of God if you cannot even make the mind of a human? I guess this ties into the concept of a soul, the part of our experience that we are aware of, but unable to analyze from within our experience.
I wonder if this could replace dieting as a new drug to lose weight. All you need are some nanomachines that run on this and use up the excess energy. They could putter around your bloodstream cleaning plaque from your arteries and fixing that whole "heart murmur from being so obese" thing, all while burning more calories than you would excercising.
Or, for those of us that are more concerned with being weak & a bit chubby (rather than dangerously obese), they could build muscle tissue (easiest way I'd guess would be to selectively kill muscle cells slower than your body can repair them. Glucose -> heat energy. the heat destroys individual muscle cells slowly) while burning excess calories.
Step 3: PROFIT!! (if someone was selling an injection that meant I'd have to eat a bit more but it'd make me all ripped without the hassle of excercise, I'd be all over that)
This does beg the question though, of how to kill off the nanomachines before you become Ahhh-nold (or Calista Flockhart)
Yeah, the colas I speak of are no-names that they sell in supermarket vending machines. And if you could buy them in bulk they'd be even cheaper than that.
I would prefer to develop a MUCH more symbiotic relationship with my lazy cats
The ideal of a "soul" is actually fable/fiction/pure speculation
No, the reality you perceive is your own pure speculation. The fact that you percieve and speculate is incontrivertible proof of your soul/essential existance, proof available to you and no one else. This makes it subjective in any manifestation, and thus is, as you've stated, not subject to the objectivity of science. So you're half right, half wrong. Remember, I think therefor I am. A statement that hasn't been successfully debated since its conception.
After I have received the wisdom of good teaching, I will untiringly teach all people. - The Teachings of Buddha
Although i can see this as a good thing as far as weight loss and diebetics, it could also be a bad thing. people who are anorexic or bulimic could now eat whatever they wanted and still lose the weight. they wouldn't have to work out, throw up, and they could eat constantly. and also, if everybody could eat whatever they wanted whenever they wanted, the demand on our economy for certain foods would increase tenfold. imagine if everybody bought pringles, ice cream, cakes, cookies, you name it, whatever your fav. food is, it would always be out of stock. while this would give our economy a boost for a short period, it would soon become a liability. not only would there be a shortage of all the good food, there would be many health problems too. i imagine people would sell the power their body produced, so if those people are desperate enough, they could kill themselves by depriving their bodies of glucose. the ramifications of this, when put in this light, are severe, especially on our society today which focuses on skinny girls and is also very power-hungry. i think, even if it donsn't create a Matrix for real, it could still ruin the world as we know it.
What are they going to do for the heat 100W of electricity usage is going to create? Ever touch a 100W lightbulb or your processor? Does it come with a heatsinc and a fan powered by more glucose?
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I love the idea of using those bear calories for the SETI project
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The ideal of a "soul" is actually fable/fiction/pure speculation, and does not deserve to be included in a scientific debate.
I agree with all you had to say but that last part. Depending on how the soul is being defined, it does have it's rightly place in scientific debate. As self-awareness, consciousness, or personality, the soul is studied and even tested for in the field of psychology.
Breaking a bit from what is conventionally considered science, philosophers debate the nature and existence of the soul to no end. While they have little to no physical phenomena to categorize and study, it would be incorrect to think that more often than not their methods are unscientific.
Of course nothing can help support the idea of the soul as "that which makes humans special and unique in all the universe", other than some artless interpretations of the Bible.
But "pure" science is not without its weaknesses. Take the creation of the universe for instance. How can the methodologies of science alone ever hope to explain the origin of the big bang, when the laws of physics may not have existed in the form that we know them, if at all? We can't simply expect science to explain everything eventually, or we've abandoned science and invented another faith to take it's place.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." ~Albert Einstein
> Of course, a possible application could be using to power RF tags for endangered species
Active RF homing tags!
Start with common critters (testing), expand to endangered critters and pets, then felons, then the broader human population.
I wonder if you could hack this thing to power a mini-GPS receiver (antenna could be crafted like a metal plates used in peoples' heads). GPS receiver twiddles a few bits in a subcutaneous microtransmitter. A network of receivers (deployed every 10-20 meters, say, every street lamp) relays userid/location data to a network of relatively centralized (every few square kilometers) servers. Central servers share/broadcast location of everyone - to everyone.
Right now, you'd still need an external display (or head-mounted display) to read that location data and display it on a map to know where you and your friends were. But in 10-15 years, when the graphics can be rendered in wetware (blood-glucose-powered retinal implant), the infrastructure for 24/7 real-time personal location awareness / HUD display will already be in place. w00t!
They don't need to put you in stasis, they just need your blood.
However, it is leeching off humans for energy. The similarity is both stunning and macabre.
Now if they implement this and some dude in a long black coat rebels and starts kicking slow motion ass I'm gonna freak...
Shit, I wish my philosophy professor had spent more time talking about zombies and less about "the meaning of being" and suchness.
What a waste of time and money! The actual application for this research is for marketing. Their knowledge of physiology is pitiful. The body wasn't meant to have the extra stress of another sythetic glucose dependant organ. People would die if they put this into practice. You want to create less stress in patients with heart disease, not more. Anyone want to die a little faster? This is stupid.
I can envision a dreadful world, in wich most of the energy we produced would go to a government, that would spend it to opress more people.
oh, wait.
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Then with some brain-nanobots interface you can use the nanobots for some parlor tricks and impress the chicks or to change the place where your fat hangs so you have a V shape with the fat shaped as muscles instead of a pear shape (thanks to Vladimir for the idea with the fat).
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
The problem with your argument is the assumption that sicence can explain everything that is, or that science can explain all truth. Science is a system that is a human creation to observe the things around us within our finite senses. You're correct that people can get very creative when it comes to the religious and "soul-searching" type discussions, but just as much as any scientists with his data based on finite measurements and sometime atrocious assumptions. Unfortunately weeding out the BS is not a trivial task. Narrowing the scope to "scientific debate" (unless specifically appropriate) is regularly trivializing the issue as it is not considering other relevant disciplines.
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
Even better - use an algae suspension to produce glucose from the sun, then convert that glucose to electrical enercy.
There you go - a natural solar panel!
I just saw the Seinfeld where Kramer fills Jerry's radiator will his blood.... now THAT's being powered by blood!
What he said!
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... will really help you pleasure the ladies. :)
Here's step one of humans becoming robots. I better go practice speaking in monotone! ;)
How many airplane pilots does it take to power a laptop?
None. The use of laptops and other portable electronic devices is strictly prohibited during take-off and landing, acording to FAA regulations.
How many MIT students does it take to power a laptop?
Ten. One to blood power it while the others project a more efficient system.
How many Peta members does it take to power a laptop?
Two. One to power it and another to make sure they're not using the blood of any animal.
How many quantum mechanicians does it take to power a laptop ?
They can't. If they know where the power cord is, they cannot locate the plug. (BTW, where in the body would a power plug fit?)
How many Heisenbergs does it take to power a laptop?
If you know the number, you don't know where the laptop is.
How many women does it take to power a laptop?
No way. It's a man's job.
How many amish people does it take to power a laptop?
None. Amish people don't believe in Laptops.
How many Sysadmins does it take to power a laptop?
I'm sorry, that's a hardware issue and we can't help you with it. You'll have to get a hardware tech to power it. Good luck.
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Can those of us with Diabetes now sell our excess blood sugar to the power grid?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
The Dutch understood the power of wind, why not build a methane powered biocell. Implanting it would be interesting. There are time when I feel the need to do something about the potential myself.
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
The diabetes comments bring up an interesting point. If the enzyme renders glucose useless to the body, then its level would probably have to be regulated like insulin (although I would not be disinclined to drink a coke every hour or so to keep my bio devices working). Does anyone know of a control mechanism that could help overcome this problem?
... sit on a stationary bicycle with a generator attached and generate 200 Watts without poking holes in your arm. Better for you, too.
Soul is to humans as software is to computers
So now we know, MS just doesn't want to dominate the Computer world, they want our souls. I think I'll keep my customized kernel thank you very much, it tends to be able to communicate with a multitude of other systems, while MS souls just tend to be a bit simple.
Oh great, vampire robots.. so when the robots decide to take over, they're going to slaughter humans left and right to get their blood.
Given enough compute power, you could probably even brute force "creativity" and "thinking outside the box" e.g. by generating every possible idea, then selectively filtering out the usefull ones. In other words, given 1000 monkeys at a thousand typewriters for a thousand years, one of them would eventually patent 1-click online shopping.
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Do ALL humans have souls? Even (shudder) Darl McBride?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
The amount of energy derived from the sugar in your blood could not exceed the amount of energy in the food you ate to put the sugar in your body in the first place. This is something that bugged me a little with the humans-as-batteries Matrix scenario. All those humans had to be fed something to keep them alive and the food could probably have been converted to power or stored without the use of a human body. Also, why was it necessary to keep the minds of the human batteries alive? Why not just surgically or chemically suppress brain activity or even genetically engineer a new breed of brainless humans (Epsilon Minus Semi-Morons ??) to use as batteries? And why, in the Matrix Reloaded, were agents driving conventional cars able to keep up with Trinity when she was riding a Ducati? Do you have any idea how fast those bikes are? This isn't some Harley cruiser. The acceleration is breathtaking and the top speed is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 300Kmh. I think it was a 996 she was riding. Here are some mouth watering specs I googled for the 996.
Now wash your hands.
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'Nuff said.
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There was an extensive article on this in the Feb 2003 issue of Scientific American. Very interesting stuff. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00073FC E-F36F-1E19-8B3B809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=1&catI D=2
How about a steady diet of beans and an attachment to our exhaust end to power a methane/oxygen generator?
Benevolent Protectorate of American Assholes? Oh well...live and learn.
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>The process the researchers have come up with probably uses the same effect to produce a current.
I wonder if this research can lead into the electricity in -> ATP/Glucose out.
People powering PDAs with a little blood or spit is cute, people running on electricity no farms, no food, no obesity, etc would be revolutionary.
But then, what kind of a movie would it be if Keanu Reeves was trying to free acres and acres of penned hens?
Sounds like a pitch from The Player:
"It's a great film: 'The Matrix' meets 'Chicken Run'!"
I guess you had to be there.
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I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Most importantly, the whole laptop thing is a joke, this is not intended to power a laptop people. If used inside the human body, this would be to power nanomachiens (almost no power drain) and medical implants (which don't draw huge amounts of power either).
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weight loss.
Imagine a device that can burn off your excess calories...
You said "watching movies in the palm of your hand..."
Sorry dude, but I need my palms while watching movies. Ok, I can sacrifice one palm. nevermind.
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He believed bio-nano fuel cells were the next step for researchers after generators powered by hydrogen, natural gas and methanol now being developed for the car and energy industries.
Crap! Now I'll have to feed my car?
I wonder if this device can purposely "waste" the glucose in the blood to control the blood sugar level? It could help those who are diabetic. Imagine no more need to "control" the blood sugar level, but just eating as much sugar as you want and let the machine lower the blood sugar to the proper level.
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I also wonder if it'd be possible to use the same technique to make a person thinner?
I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you plan to simulate the human brain, make sure you simulate the IO in a manner the simulation can access naturally. Nothing would suck more than being a fully functional simulation trapped in a deaf and dumb computer system.
"I think, therefore I am" doesn't mean much if nobody else knows...
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Simple facts are usually incorrect assumptions.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
And the machines had found... (dramatic pause) all the energy they would ever need.
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Now you can be the ass-to-risk.
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Very nice example. This is why I think genetic/evolutionary algorithms are so interesting and will definately be used a lot more in the future.
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On a similar note, there's genetic programming, where the building blocks are pieces of syntactically correct code("if", "then", "for"), and your fitness function is how fast the resultant program can solve a particular problem.
Its interesting to see that given a problem like sorting, genetic programming will come up with the same solutions that we humans have already thought of. So that must mean there are no algorithms that are more efficient than the ones we have already thought of.
I wonder if maybe one day this will solve the P=NP problem.
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Computers can never be as smart as humans because of the simple fact that humans have souls which allow a creative nature.
Souls do not exist. The word "soul" is the name attributed to the emergent properties of the billions of neurons that are the human brain, much in the way that "flight" is the name given to the emergent properties of millions of mechanical and electrical parts that are a jet plane.
I'm shooting for maybe 3
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So does the computer come up with it's own filter rules, or does it just follow the rules you give it? Or maybe it slowly learns to imitate your preferences through Bayesian analysis or something? Or genetic algorithms produce a design best suited to criteria which you gave the computer? No matter how it is implemented, I don't see how this system could produce anything but results that were a reflection of the programmer's own preferences. Yes, the proverbial infinite monkey system would eventually produce good ideas, but you would still need a human to recognize them as such.
Of course, that still doesn't prove computers can't ever think like we do. Although I doubt it, it may be possible. But it's not an issue of "we just need more computing power".
On the other hand, I think it would be hilarious to watch Jeff Bezos negotiating with a monkey for the rights to that patent. "... so in return for $1.5 mil in stock, you will agree to stop flinging feces at me ..." et cetera
a relatively uncomplex system (a few handfuls of logic gates)
I wouldn't call that an "uncomplex system", an FPGA usually has several million gates, and complexity is added by the analog effects ! Still, it is WAY less complex than a human brain (with billions of neurons, each of them being connected to thousands of others with somewhat analog connections)
I can just imagine trying to explain to my boss that I couldn't finish my report on the train as I'd been out on the lash the night before and didn't have enough power to run my laptop ;-)
PS Lash = British extreme drinking session
This is perhaps the most frightening news I've read in years. Now that robots will be able to feast on our very blood, there is nothing that can stop them! We must listen to Seanbaby and fight back against the robot scourge before it is too late!
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Blood powered cyber-battle-cows? Ooh... gotta get me a few of those!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I, for one, would like to extend a warm welcome to our new robot-vampire overlords. I would also like to remind them that I should not be drained immediately, as I can be useful to them in rounding up other humans to toil in their underground silicon mines.
Yes! And you can make people's names float over their heads, just like in an FPS! And then you can blow them away, and they'll respawn at the nearest cloning centre! It's genious, I tell you!
I've always found this argument interesting. Basically you are arguing that the definition of sentience is the ability to create entirely new areas of art and science. While these are, in my opinion, the most noble pursuits of the human race, they are not activities that every human individual takes part in. I would even go so far as to say that 90% or more of the people in this world can't do this. Even if the number is lower, you basically end up saying that a large portion of the human race isn't sentient.
I think that sentience requirements which put sentience out of reach of more that just the severely mentally handicapped are too strict. I would put the bar lower and try a definition more like: the ability to learn significant facts and ideas without being explicitly taught them. Unfortunately this definition doesn't exclude all computer programs. Some can "learn" through experience.
Still I'm interested in the argument. Can you come up with a definition of sentience which excludes as few humans as possible, and excludes all machines? In order to convince me of the correctness of your definition, you will have to convincingly argue that the humans who don't fit your definition of sentience really aren't sentient...
But "pure" science is not without its weaknesses. Take the creation of the universe for instance. How can the methodologies of science alone ever hope to explain the origin of the big bang, when the laws of physics may not have existed in the form that we know them, if at all? We can't simply expect science to explain everything eventually, or we've abandoned science and invented another faith to take it's place.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." ~Albert Einstein
If a question cannot be answered through scientific observation and study, why not just say "I don't know" instead of making up a religious belief to fill in the gap? Is there really something so wrong with saying "I don't know" when we really don't know, and are left to merely assume or speculate without evidence?
Besides, if you look closely, nothing we make comes into existance perfect. Every new technology that is made can be improved, however incrementally. Every new method of manufacture can be refined. Every hypothesis can be altered to fit the facts. And almost everything that appears "new" at first glance has roots in something else.
Just, um, please don't make any autonomous machines that run on the stuff, mmkay?
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
Chubby people could use it to power a lightbulb on the head, both to burn some extra calories without getting tired, and as a warning light that you are eating too much if it shines too brightly.
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Oh hey, don't mind me. I'm just counting all the different ways I'm learning to spell "intelligence"
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It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
That statement (by Descartes?) is nonsense from any sort of logical standpoint. It should be "I think, therefore I think I am.".
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Simulating cells using super computers is the equivilent of running a PC Emulator on a spectrum, they arent designed for the job. Better to create native custom functions which perform the tasks required.
With this in mind, I think as soon as we shift away from digital computers and go back to analog processors, the random X Factor will come back into play, and complex patterns will emerge.
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Only about a hundred or less of the gates were used though, and the analogue effects only extended to nearby gate networks. In all only a tiny area of the potential space in the FPGA was used and had any part - active or passive - in the circuit.
Just a device that is able to monitor your glucose level continuously, like say, trough a wireless connection with your PDA or even your watch would be a tremendous advancement. Such a device could e.g. warn you when your glucose level is too low or too high by sounding an alarm and possible (if you are asleep for example) save your life... Defenitely worth some research...
What's the definition of intelligence?
Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
How would this sort of thing work with regards to burning your excess fat? does the human body convert stored fats into glucose before it utilizes them for energy? would plugging a machine like this into you allow you to eat essentially ANYTHING, and the only difference is the amount of power it could syphon off? i'm seeing a massive potential for these devices in the weight loss industry...
Perhaps the answer to the problem of teenagers dropping bricks from motorway and railway bridges is to sue Tetris.
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Could this be used as a battery and all I have to do is dump in sugar?
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I find that a wench and rack does it for me...
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I have a "mutated form" of diabetes - I have a hypermetabolism. It's effect has been slenderness on me. I am not skinny, in fact, I am just under atheletic and toned looking, but I am almost 30 and weigh the exact same as I did in 11th grade 165 (6'1") - I eat 4 large meals a day and snack most all day. That said, I am very active. I metabolize most everything I take in and don't use the restroom but 3-4 times a week (for 1 AND 2) - no constipation - I have to go get biannual checkups. Contact me if you'd like to know more.
You are on to something about it having the effect of making you slimmer - but we ALL already have that in our systems - I think some of us just have a Honda blood engine and some of us have a Ferrari blood engine ;)
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Here's to hoping that another patent landgrab doesn't occur when people get their "invention machines" in gear. A lot of genetic alg output is incomprehensible to a human,, much like how DNA still is (tho it didn't stop people from patenting "discovered" genes, and squatting on them (like the breast cancer gene)).
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Combine this with a form of fusion, well, I bet we could start some shit. We wouldn't even need the sun anymore.
What did that mean anyway "Combined with a source of fusion"...Why not JUST USE FUSION? Rather than running that whole scam trying to make people slaves. Works OK for the sun.
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Actually, if it was a real neural net, it wouldn't be self-aware. There would be no stimulus to develop the neural connections.
And natural biological I/O? Who cares if you can download pr0n directly to your mind..
Well now, is that a fact? ;)
Out of interest, if we could build a computer that could manage all our thought processed (sentience, creativity etc), would that persuade you that the computer has a soul, or that humans never had them in the first place?
I have no good "reason" or "argument" to suggest that logos is in some sense dominant
Doesn't the fact that Eros is only known to "exist" on the surface of the earth, which is dwarfed a trillion times over by the size of just the galaxy it's in, give you any clues?
GOD: You take the blue pill, you wake up embedded in an ignorant and solipsist society, and believe in whatever eros you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in reality, and discover for yourself that it doesn't matter in the slightest whether you believe in me or not.
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Programmers have been running on Jolt for years, now it can run their computers as well.
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One step closer to nanites in the human body.
Hey, if this thing runs off glucose, does it have to be in blood? Could I just have a sugar-powered car? Just think, gas up the car and have a couple of mouthfuls for myself. One for me... one for the car... once for me....
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"The Linux community, having made it clear they consider most people too stupid to use Linux, tried again today to figure out why Microsoft is so popular..."
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Hmmm... I dont recall ever seeing a slashdot rule stating that all discussions should be conducted in a scientific fashion.
Gee, the fact we can't have an accurate logical description about something doesnt mean we shouldnt talk about it. In fact, I guess its the other way round. It is important not to run from this issues.
Would this be another way to manage blood sugar for diabetics?
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No, some have killed their souls. Sad and horrible.
The only thing I still can't figure out is how they got Keanu to act!
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It might be. I don't know because I haven't tried it yet... But I was thinking that you could pre-load it with a "hi-res" snapshot or a person's/rat's/snail's/whatever's brain. Run the app and there it is - all trained and setup ready to go. No development stimulus required.
The catch being that 1 micron MRI scanning would take far too long and subject the sample to way too much radiation. Maybe not a problem for small samples with large synapses, but not something I'd volunteer for. If my info is outdated and it can be done in a practical manner now, that would be interesting... I wonder what would happen if a recently deceased subject was used? Could it be "reanimated" in software? Probably not, because I suspect it's the living electrical network that we need to copy, and a dead brain doesn't have that electrical activity.
Who cares if you can download pr0n directly to your mind..
Indeed, but you would have to learn how to do that. Providing natural IO (not necessarily biological, just mapped to a speaker and mikes in a way that appears natural to the application) lets the application (person?) work the way it already knows how to. It can learn about ethernet later. :)
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Step 1. power nano-bots from the chemicles in the blood. Step 2. Create Nano-bots that can increase strength,speed and regeneration. Step 3. Military takes them and adds teeth with a pleasure based paralization drug and makes it so blood from outside sources can be used. Step 4. Name the soldier.. i know.. a Vampire
I'd have to think it great if you could lose weight by sitting and reading a book in a dark room by light generated from the calories already in your system. tone
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Implants, pace makers, even artificial hearts! Finally there will be no need to re-open the body to replace the battery, or to have un-hygienic "dongles" with wires going under your skin. This invention is brilliant and extremely usefuly.
I was surprised you folks have not pointed out this most obviious advantage. But that's why you're not physicians, I guess.
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I don't see how this is such big news. Everyone knows that robots are powered by alcohol. These 'scientists' need to get current with 31st century technology.
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Err, I take it that you know that RF tags don't require any power and that they only work over a few feet. I think you are thinking of something else...
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This idea of the Earth revolving around the sun is fable/fiction/pure speculation.
/evidence at all to that effect.
This idea of matter bending space is fable/fiction/pure speculation.
This idea of...well you get the point.
I don't understand != it doesn't exist.
Also, BTW: logical != scientific. And as far as "Nothing suggests"...talk to Roger Penrose. You can say that you don't think there's nothing the human brain can do that computers can't, but it's not accurate to say that there's no thinking
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
Good grief, some folks must be slow this morning.
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I don't know why they used the idiotic plot device of the Matrix using people as human batteries. It would've been far more believable if they had the plot be that the Matrix was using the extra processing power of people's brains (whether there really is any extra or not in reality) for its own purposes. It would let people use just enough to live in the Matrix and take the rest. Sort of a giant SETI@home type system. Disconnect enough people and you'd have the Matrix singing "Daisy" before long. Plus you could have little story extras like explaining that inspiration and visions in people are actually due to "bad connections" in their heads (and possibly important loopholes into the system?) and that dreams are Matrix background noise.
Maybe the idea of people not using all of their brains would be too realistic.
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Just hook it up and eat all the ice cream you want. It will filter out the glucose! Copyright and patent this at your peril. Steve Guenther Tampa, FL
Eat a bowl of Lucky Charms and you'll get at least 200W of glucose power. Plus, they are magically delicious!
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
So flight does not exist?
Flight is the name given to what flying things do. You cannot have "flight" without something that flies.
Similarly you cannot have a "soul" without an infrastructure (i.e. the brain-mind).
An advantage to being diabetic!!! Now I can find a use for all that excess blood sugar!
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The catch being that 1 micron MRI scanning would take far too long and subject the sample to way too much radiation.
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Something like this was addressed in SF by Alastair Reynolds.. The scan would have to be faster than the speed the synaptic signals travel. That way you'd get "healthy happy" brain scan which was not aware of being fried by radiation yet. Of course there were some issues, such as..
It can learn about ethernet later.
Not to mention without hormones you probably wouldn't have that much interest in sex anyhow. Sounds boring, doesn't it..? Small wonder self-aware AIs are always going psycho/catatonic.
If they are striping the electrons off the glucose molecules then would we be left with a bunch of oxidants floating around in our blood stream? From what I know that is not a good thing, cell damage...
"My father once told me that respect for the truth comes close to being the basis for all morality." - Muad'Dib
I'm just waiting for the first story of someone's laptop getting 0wn3d by a kid with a hypodermic full of insulin...
I wish I had the money to patent these ideas. Instead I will disclose them so the whole world can use them if no one already filed a patent.
This is the cure for diabetes(sp?) as its an insulin replacement. It can keep the bloodstream below a certain glucose level with the greatest of ease, just burning off power doing something dumb (or useful, it doesn't matter). Just implant a device or series of devices that detect gluecose levels, and the device(s) stays idle or working in a low power mode until levels reach a certain level, then they burn off that excess gluecose until the blood is reduced to an optimal level. This is probably controlled by a slightly more complicated algorithm, but this should get the idea out.
It also is a GREAT and I do mean GREAT wieght loss aid. It can use up excess energy that the body takes in sending the body into ketosis, thereby getting the Atkins type diet, while eating whatever you want. There is also studies that show if you eat at "starvation" levels your whole life (when ketosis should be happening rather constantly) you increase your lifespan by 20% or more. Therefore, this is also an anti-aging device while being a near perfect diet.
The diet application does not require going into ketosis. It could just use much of the gluecose, thereby making it as if the person ate a smaller meal.
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This should be improved to use fats and lactose etc from the blood as well. I dont mind driving a small car powered by myself which is powered by Burger King. You get to eat all you can and you get to lose weight while speeding. I think I'll start a trucking company.
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Yep, the idea behind the matrix doesn't work - except they mentioned 'in conjunction with a kind of fusion' when describing the process. Here is a completely bogus explanation of the process that at least makes the physics/biology/thermodynamics work out (or at least be more complex)
Premise 1) The only thing that really differentiates humanity from animals is the ability to think. We already know that some elements of the brain operate at molecular levels and the whole issue of the observer in quantum experiments creates more questions.
So here it is - the machines need human beings to supply power through fusion via observation of quantum interactions (implying a requirement for free will). The fusion reaction is small in power output and happens within the body (requiring many bodies, making each body convert mass into power and be a net power generator, requiring plugs all over the body to harvest the heat and implying that the process may be continued outside the matrix to do things like creating personal emp blasts).
Quick, somebody open up a futures market so I can place my bet on how fast our homeless population declines in the U.S. ... If you thought El Paso and Enron were blood-thirsty before, watch out now!
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I'm impressed with your logic (not your spelling, though).
I understand the soul to be our character (as in, but not the same thing as our personality, which changes with mood). I further recognize our spirit to be who we are to God, and the two are very close together. Self is consciousness, heart is desires/passions, and mind is decisionmaking and judgement.
I would very much appreciate your comments, TroyFoley, because you seem familar with discussions of this sort.
Philosophy is going to have to come up with a term for that CPU chip it looks like we are all headed for as an implant, running off this glucose thing. MetaMind?
Those are both great ideas, but I would wager that you would have a big problem with heat. The obvious side-effect of burning that much glucose is that you would be dumping a LOT of heat into your bloodstream/body.
So, you've got a good start there, but we need some heat-pipes or endothermic reaction to keep you trading diabetes or extra calories for continual fever.
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Naw. Its not a continual fever, its just a little extra body heat, especially if it isn't abrupt. Just give the guy a little more thiamine and the flush will dissapate the heat. People don't have THAT much energy entering their body via food. Especially you're going for the ketosis thing where you're continually running down the gluecose levels.
With a reduced sugar diet, this jobby could handle most gluecose spikes.
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Once your body has depleted enough of its glycogen storage and glucose levelesn more free faty acids (FFA) start to escape from your bodies fat stores, and are oxidized in the mitochondria to acetyl CoA, which can then be introduced into the citric acid cycle for energy production (ATP and it should shift the equilibrium to glucogenesis).
Note also that highly trained endurance athletes (not most slashdot readers - sorry) can only derive a maximal 70% of energy produced from fat burningn the reaiming 30% or so still must be from glucose. If glucose is depleted much more than this, then exhaustion occurs.
If I remember correctly from physiology, 100 food calories (100,000 actual calories english units) will produce about 200 watts for an hour. A pound of fat is about 3000 calories, so a pound of fat should roughly produce enough wattage to run a 400 watt computer system for about 15 hours!!!
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Especially if this is mounted in the forearm. That would be an easy place to keep cool. (Think, short sleeves year-round).
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Now you can eat all you want and lose weight while lowering your energy bill.
Do you mean to imply that there are really that many GNOME users in Germany, now that KDE is within epsilon of being as easy to learn and use as Microsoft Windows XP?
Will I retire or break 10K?
I can just see the next generation of GameBoy ...
Introducing the Nintendo "GlucoseBoy". Never worry about changing batteries again. There is a "leech" attachment included in the controls that painlessly extracts the needed glucose from the person playing the game. There is even an indicator showing if you have enough glucose or if you need to eat some more.
Of course, it could be the beginnings of the Matrix: automated machines living off the heat/energy produced by there human power sources.
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What if we were to reverse it so that we used electricity to give us more engergy?
I'm tired, better plug in.
There were tunnels, "rides" (they hopped on a car which moved downhill to the next pole), doors which only opened a certain way, and even a cooperative feeder where one squirrel had to sit on a lever to open it, and the other could eat.
I was very impressed to see both the problem-solving skills as well as the cooperation in animals as small as squirrels.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
All you need is hook up you body to the power grid and you could lose weight and make money selling electricity back to the power co.
Check out this page -- the math is way over my head, but it does clearly state that the human brain works on quantum principles.
It also has many, many links to supporting papers.
My mind was blown back in March of 2000, when I read an article that stated the brain worked on quantum principles, so if we wanted to create a computer as powerful as the human brain we needed to understand quantum physics.
3 weeks later, I read an article which said we had identified a quantum effect and could reproduce it in the lab: entanglement.
Basically, entanglement allows instantaneous communication at a distance; by changing the spin of one electron, the spin of its entangled pair is also changed. This article shows that (in 1997) they had tested it to a distance of 7 miles; they say there's no theoretical limit to the distance it could work at.
What blew my mind was that combining the two articles -- the human brain works on quantum principles, and one of those principles is communication at a distance -- I now believe that telepathy is possible.
Then I thought of the (admittedly anecdotal) evidence: we've all heard about a mother knowing when a child is in danger. But how many times have you heard of a father knowing? Me either. It must be that, during the 9 months the child is inside the mother's womb, exchanging fluids, that they are performing entanglement with each other.
Thinking further, we hear about twins being much more closely linked than any mother and child. This also makes sense, since they are right next to each other and have more opportunity to entangle than mother and child, whose brains are about 2 feet apart.
I'd imagine we're in the first 10% or so of our "evolution" of telepathy, since we communicate with words and rarely use entanglement to communicate. That's really neat, because most people think "we're top of the food chain, we're perfect" but we are still evolving capabilities.
The article also mentions that SETI may be doomed to failure since it's looking for radio signals, and any sufficiently advanced species would use entanglement for their communications since it's much faster and more efficient.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
I can't imagine a more useful device for helping
manage diabetes. Anything that can take glucose
out of the blood would be of immense help - but
something that could then be used to power
pacemakers and other electronic gear often
needed to help with the debilitating cardiac
effects of diabetes is an invaluable step
forward.
beginnings of the Matrix: automated machines living off the heat/energy produced by there human power sources
Cool. Well at least for fat people.
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I'm hoping in the last movie the battery story will be exposed as a ruse for the "real" reason (whatever it may be).
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Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
AC is correct, but circularly so. I'd rather put forth the notion that If I think I am, how could I not be?
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Two words: "weight loss". :)
People already pay out the ass for weight loss solutions, how about this: These fuel cells are implanted in the body, burning off glucose in the blood, and using the energy for something (powering a cell phone, whatever, it doesn't matter what). That way, fat people around the world^H^H^H^H^H USA could lose weight, while continuing to be lazy.
<TV Anouncer>"Just ate a candy bar that you shouldn't have? ... just charge your cell phone to get rid of those nasty calories"</TV Anouncer>
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
I know the weightloss industry is HUGE, so if these guys can burn off excess sugar (and perhaps fat) with a machine then they'll be the world's first trillionaires.
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I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but I'm afraid this is the last time we'll hear about using our blood for energy, at least for a very long time (20+ years).
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Psst. Hate to burst your bubble, but take a look around...
Humans, by and large, are highly trained parrots. Hell, most of us aren't even highly trained.
How many billions of people have lived, and how many *truly* different stories do we have? A dozen? maybe two?
So then it wouldn't be an RFID tag. We call that a radio beacon you dumbass. As an RFID is a passive beacon...
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All people do not do these things. Nearly all people appreciate them, though. Otherwise nobody would engage in them.
Having a sense of aesthetics is common to nearly all humans, but no machines.
You raise an interesting point, which is that the works of these AIs are created after the AI studies the works of human artists. However, nearly all human creators study the works of others first. Certainly, musicians ususally usually listen to music before they become creators of their own works. Similarly, visual artists and writers are also inspired by their predecessors. These AIs do sometimes (actually, often, but misguided programmers tend to discourage this behavior in the system rather than encourage it) violate stylistic guidelines, and can thus be seen to 'innovate' in their respective fields.
Furthermore, the brilliant thing about many AI methods (neural nets come to mind), is that the system is so complicated that we don't really have a full understanding of it. On a local level, we understand the idea of artificial neurons, etc. and their parallels to biological systems. However, on the level of the system as a whole, it is often uncertain how it will behave.
I believe the theorem you are looking for is Godel's. It applies solely to formalized arithmatic, though there are a class of related proofs for other systems. They say, basically, that if a part of system can reference another part of the same system, a paradox can occur. It is the old problem of saying 'I tell only lies.' It is similar (for the programmers among us) to two functions which call each other in a circular way.
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This could be the future of buissness, smuggling homless forgeiners to amreica to power our computers and electronics. This buissness could go real far, i mean you would have to have Customer Service, and you would have to provide food for them. I can see it now, each of us having several of our own cute little chubby forgein kids and their parents to power our everyday items. Don't worry that can't speak english any way. Alright, so it is abit crule, but what's wrong with proposing ideas?
Just for your information, I have nothing against the Japanese. The Japanese are so highly intelligent they have made a little island a leading economic power. Even with their stock market plunging at a 45 degree angle since the 90's they still have a strong technology background. I just think they should have studied physiology more before creating such a device. They could always create a way to turn plants into glucose then into energy, thus creating money from farmers overgrowth. That would be reasonable. I could create power from my trash.
Imagine it! A glucose meter that never needs its batteries changed. You prick yourself, and the glucose level is checked and the power recharged for the next use. Or a vampiric robot. :o