It was actually...
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Bourdain
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on the east coast too at about 40 minutes into the show for those with Tivo's.
Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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nightsweat
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I'd rather see Extreme Makeover - Spiderman Edition.
They could give him the extra four legs he's always wanted and graft some acting ability onto Kirsten Dunst.
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the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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Acidic_Diarrhea
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Spider-Man actually had those four extra limbs for awhile in the comic book. Although, he grew extra arms, not legs.
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Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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nightsweat
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That's probably better. Gloves are much cheaper than shoes.
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Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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Eagle5596
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Graft acting abilities onto Kirsten Dunst? There are two rather large reasons why she was hired for the part, and neither were her acting abilities. Instead they were the show cases of the rain soaked shirt scene of the first movie, and are already firmly grafted into place.
Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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b0r0din
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graft some acting ability onto Kirsten Dunst.
"Now how are we going to even do this, Doctor?"
"I'm not sure, she's really REAALLLY bad. Did you see Mona Lisa Smile?"
"Am I wearing a pink tutu?"
"Yes but that's besides the point. I mean, we're talking a miracle here."
"Ok, what say we just give her some nitrous, and play with her boobies. Agreed?"
"Agreed."
Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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somethinghollow
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Then a radioactive actress falls from the ceiling, kills the doctors, and bites her. Suddenly, we absolve her of her former shortcomings, and appreciate her as both an actress and a hottie.
Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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modecx
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I suspect that he just got tired of finding intriguing gestures for his extra hands to make while they weren't doing something useful.
Yep.
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Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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nightsweat
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People are touchy about their Kirsten Dunst aren't they? 60% funny, 30% overrated 10% interesting.
I'm not saying she's not sorta hot, but really listen to her deliver those lines in the first movie. Ugh.
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Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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nightsweat
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Someone mod the parent up. That's funny.
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Re:Spiderman and the Apprentice?
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lbergstr
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you're so full of shit. she's a great actress. have you seen eternal sunshine?
The CGI looks kind of cartoonely, kind of like when you can tell during the burly brawl when they stopped using keano and started using the all cgi character. That being said ill still go see it...;-)
There *is* always the chance that these are unfinished pre-release CG shots. The early shots from The Hulk looked *nothing* like the final product. The movie was still ass, though...
The CGI in Spiderman was just fine. Certainly better-looking than any stuntman-based attempts at superhero film-making that has come before.
If you disagree, kindly name three movies (apart from LOTR) which you think have better CGI than the Spider Man films, and we can commence to piss all over a favorite movie of yours.
That's what I was thinking. Maybe they will adjust it after getting feedback from the trailer.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could tweak the CGI yourself? I mean after all...::trivializing part of a multi-billion dollar industry::...it's just color, isn't it?
That was true for the first movie also.. looked plasticky there too. Till you saw it in a movie theater where it didn't look as out of place.
But you get back home and watch it when it's playing on cable and it's back to the glossy makeover for spidey.
Guess it's a function of the display scale then. Also true of some the graphics from LOTR.. look out of place on a smaller screen such as on 15" computer monitor.. but look perfectly ingrained in to BG on a big screen.
Re:cartooney
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phriedom
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I think the problem isn't with the animation, but with the goal. Spider-Man moves impossibley fast and ignores some basic physics. I think it is impossible to have a "person" spring 20 feet straight up into the air and not have it look cartooney. If we are going to enjoy the movie, we just have to suspend disbelief and accept that if there were a Spider-Man, then that is how he would move.
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Trailer or Spoiler?
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Darth_Vito
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Is anyone else annoyed by the amount of story that is given away in trailers now? I guess the production companies must have found that these types of trailers are effective in pulling in audiences to see the movie but it seems to detract from the experience.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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Jin+Wicked
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I love it. They put so much in the trailers now, that if you're shrewd you can usually tell which trailers actually represent the movie, and which are a collection of nothing but the best 2 minutes of the entire movie and the rest is downhill from there.
But I've never cared about spoilers. I read at least two or three reviews for almost any movie before I see it, to make sure I want to spend the $15 it costs now just for a ticket, popcorn and a drink plus two hours of my time not including all the adverts at the beginning... Anyway, I've never had a trailer or even a review ruin a movie for me, even when I know the ending in advance.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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re-Verse
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Completely. About 10 months ago I decided that I will no longer watch trailers. It was the best movie decision I have made. I mean you can't really tell if a movie will be good or not from a trailers. I've seen some bad movies with excellent trailers, and some great movies with terrible trailers. All in all, I really enjoy films a lot more now that all the high intensity parts aren't revealed to me in advance.
I recommend that everyone try this. See a few movies that you have absolutely no concept of when going in, it makes for a much more interesting ride.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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prgrmr
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Annoyed? How about totally pissed-off. I first noticed the give-away trailer format all the way back with "Throw Momma from the Train". There were 3 different commercials they were showing on TV and if you'd seen them all, then you saw almost every physical gag they did in the movie. Very disappointing, particularly as ticket prices keep going up the net effect is we are paying for less and less as the trailers reveal more and more.
The trailer for Hellboy, which I've not seen yet, seems to give a good mix of enticement and still not be a complete give-away. The Hildalgo trailer, however, looks like it shows way too many of the dramatic parts.
eh, not really. who was it that quipped something about the internet being created solely for geeks to get pr0n and insider movie info? kevin smith? with my daily scouring of the net for movie trivia and upcoming movie info, i usually know a lot about the plot even before the trailer is released. what annoys me is watching a movie that's pretty funny, but the stupid audience who laugh only at the parts shown in the trailers. I have, however, given up on reading reviews. They're all a bunch of sellouts.
I've seen some bad movies with excellent trailers, and some great movies with terrible trailers.
Hmmm, there's a topic for an extended discussion. I'd cite The Matrix as an example of great movie/bad trailer and The Phantom Menace as awful movie/great trailer. And then ther was that Not Another Teen Movie or something like that -- hilarious trailer that prompted me to drag my wife to what turned out to be the most vile, loathsome movie ever.
On a completely offtopic note -- is there going to be another Harry Potter movie?
As a new parent, I appreciate getting the whole story compressed into a trailer. It will be several years before I step foot into a theatre again, and DVD rentals will be few and far between.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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IANAAC
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About 10 months ago I decided that I will no longer watch trailers.
So you're the guy that always climbs over me 1 minute into the movie.
Glad you found your bed buddy. Nothing to see here people... move along.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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FoxMcCloud
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Well then you should try going to a movie without knowing the plot. It's a totally different experience. I HATE trailers, and try never to watch them... I try to turn my attention to something else during the trailers before a movie.
I like to go watch a movie just on advice from friends whose tastes I trust, and go watch it without reading a single thing about it and only having been told that they enjoyed it. Try it.
For instance I saw Bruce Almighty and when the guy met God and whatever, I was totally amazed cause I didn't see it coming at all... I also watched The Butterfly Effect and enjoyed it a lot more than my friends cause the plot totally surprised me, I had no idea what it was about.
From my point of view, trailers suck, and so do reviews. They just serve to ruin the movie.
I dunno, the original Matrix trailer was designed that way for a purpose, as far as I can tell: to draw the viewer into the theatre to be suprised by the plot.
That's why I would say that it was an excelent trailer: it gave nothing away that was relevant to the story, but still managed to get people into the theatre. It was ingenious compared to most trailers.
-- Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
Well then you should try going to a movie without knowing the plot. It's a totally different experience.
I've tried it, and found that I didn't enjoy it. I enjoy movies a lot more when I notice the little details and whatnot that I don't notice if I don't already understand the plot. If it's a movie I'm looking forward to (like The Phantom Menace... sigh) I'll even read the book first.
This is the same effect that one would get from watching the same movie twice in a row, but I seldom have the time, attention span or inclination for that.
The side benefit of knowing things in advance is that it can help identify movies that I won't enjoy as much. Also, if I have a more realistic expectation of what a movie is like, I won't be as disappointed when, once again, it sucks.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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AnonymousKev
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But is it matinee money wasted, or rental money wasted?
There are a lot of movies that I wouldn't waste $32 on ($8/head for a family of 4). However, they provide good value for $4 and a bag of Friday night popcorn.
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(Finally got a dang account in 2004)
Absolutely. The greatest movie brainf*ck of my short and pitiful life was when my friends rented "From Dusk Til Dawn" and I had no clue whatsoever about the massive twist that was going to happen about halfway through. My jaw dropped when it happened and I was like "What the--?" and then looked over at all my buddies who had already seen it, and they were all watching my stunned reaction and grinning.
It wouldn't have been half as good knowing what was going to happen in the movie beforehand and I am eternally thankful for my own ignorance. When it comes to movies, Ignorance Truly Is Bliss.
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I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
Is anyone else annoyed by the amount of story that is given away in trailers now?
Annoyed, yes, but "now" isn't right. I've been watching a lot of old movies on DVD, and on those DVDs that include the original trailers, I've noticed that the "giving the whole plot away" problem isn't anything new. I've seen it in trailers from the 1950s and earlier.
Which, if nothing else, makes me believe that it's a practice that will probably never change no matter how annoying it is to some people.
I think it's one of those things that people always assume is worse today than it was before, just because memory is selective and most people prefer nostalgia to bitterness. I think it's more likely that Sturgeon's Law has been true pretty consistently throughout human history.
Absolutely. The greatest movie brainf*ck of my short and pitiful life was when my friends rented "From Dusk Til Dawn" and I had no clue whatsoever about the massive twist that was going to happen about halfway through. My jaw dropped when it happened and I was like "What the--?" and then looked over at all my buddies who had already seen it, and they were all watching my stunned reaction and grinning.
Yeah, me too. I never expected a movie with such a badass opening turn into a half-assed shitty vampire movie gorefest.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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gpinzone
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The trailer for Hellboy, which I've not seen yet, seems to give a good mix of enticement and still not be a complete give-away.
Holy shit! You can give a review of a trailer you haven't even seen? I'm impressed.
I agree, and will take it a little further. Assuming you are watching a decent movie, the less you know about it the better, I've found. I watched 'From Dusk Til Dawn' and '28 Days Later' without knowing at all what the movies were about. And I think the movies were twice as good that way. Although, I'm sure this was more effective for these types of movies, than it would be for a non-suspense movie.I just wish I had a good way of screening movies so I could always do this.
Well, my method has become something like this... Hit up rottentomatos.com for a quick glance at the tomatometer (but I don't even read the reviews), and then the meter for the 'creme of the crop' on the site, and if its fairly high, I'll pretty much trust it - sometimes I'll discard it and just go on instict, but most of the time that tomatometer is pretty damn effective. If my friends try to tell me about the movie I get them to shut up as quickly as possible, but take note that my friends are ranting about a particular film.
Since I've stopped watching trailers, it seems I've actually been seeing more good films and less bad ones - So i'm starting to wonder what was the use of trailers for me in the first place.
I totally agree. It's so hard for movies to surprise people with their plot twists. The previews are all 'MOST AMAZING PLOT TWIST EVER BLAH BLAH' and then you get in the movie and everything would feel normal except you know somethings coming so you look for it and it's not as cool when it arrives. The matrix I didn't see coming and I enjoyed the movie 100% more because of it.
-- The darkness... controls the music.
The music... controls the soul.
1. Tarantino is one of the best directors currently working in Hollywood.
2. Tarantino is one of the worst actors currently working in Hollywood.
Please, for his own good, somebody tell that man to get behind the camera and stay there!
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Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Re:Trailer or Spoiler?
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Frizzle+Fry
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See a few movies that you have absolutely no concept of when going in, it makes for a much more interesting ride.
I like doing this too, but I think the most important way to avoid knowing what's going to happen is to avoid reading reviews. I really hate the way many (possibly most) movie reviews give away major plot elements. They don't even seem to be doing it most of the time in service of illustrating a particular point about the movie, they just seem to do it to fill up space. Ebert seems particularly bad about this. I've sometimes seen reviews (although I can't remember now for which specific movies) where he essentially gives away the ending. Sometimes he tries to be a little subtle rather than saying explicitly what happens, but he usualy fails at that and after reading his review, you're pretty sure what's going to happen in the movie. But it's not really him in particular; there are tons of newspaper movie critics who do this.
I also tend not to read the back covers of books when possible since I've seen some that give away plot points that don't happen until a few hundred pages in.
Right. Because everyone's going to go see Spider-Man for the plot. Just like all the unexpected twists in Lord of the Rings. (Man! If only THAT movie hadn't been spoiled by JRRT, it might have made some coin.)
Well then you should try going to a movie without knowing the plot. It's a totally different experience. I HATE trailers, and try never to watch them... I try to turn my attention to something else during the trailers before a movie.
I've always wished I could have seen Terminator 2 without having first seen the trailers and hoopla. There's a scene where the two terminators are approaching John Conner in a hallway. It would have been very cool if I was still expecting Arnold to be the villain.
A good story from the Back to the Future DVDs: apparently when they first showed the movie to test audiences, who had no idea what kind of movie it was going to be, there was a gasp of shock when Doc (who the audience only knows so far as a crazy mad scientist) makes the car with his dog inside burst into flames and disappear. When he reappeared, there was a huge sigh of relief that this was not going to turn out to be a movie that involved killing dogs.
I think it's good to have at least a general idea what the movie's about, so you have some sense of what sort of a mood is appropriate. I enjoyed Road to Perdition more than my father, because I knew it was based on a comic, and so my suspension of disbelief setting was at the max. My father, who did not know that, was bugged by the implausibility of the bank robbery subplot.
Wouldn't you rather go into Spinal Tap knowing that it's not a documentary?
-- "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
It doesn't give away the story. It just defines the plot points.
Yes the major "hero in conflict" point is defined but it does not give away the fallout between Peter and Harry, who Mary Jane hooks up with, and whether or not Aunt May's feeble skull gets crushed like paper-mâché by a mechanical Doc. Oc. claw.
Actually, I DO like to see a good movie twice or more when I really like it, it's just a different kind of enjoyment.
And while you can still get the enjoyment from the second time if you watched the movie without knowing anything about it the first time, the surprise you could have had in the theater is lost on you the minute you read or see a spoiler.
Absolutely right. I had no idea about the plot to the Matrix until I saw the movie, it was a totally different kind of enjoyment because nothing was given away. Contrast that to the other two, which I had no idea about the plot AFTER I saw them:)
Did you see him when he was accepting an Oscar for Kill Bill? The way he talks he doesn't even sound like he's from Earth anymore. Even the cool bling-blinged black people I know can't decipher his stange mumblings.
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I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
The quicktime torrent is indeed fullscreen, my mistake.
However the Divx torrent is not. Perhaps the divx was made from the fullscreen quicktime source - but the result is noticeably smaller, darker, and more compressed.
I can't complain given the turnaround time of the first divx.torrent - but I would like to see a better quality version.
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Direct download link
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(trb001)
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I was skeptical after the first trailer came out. However, this one looks just as good as the first, if not better. Looks like real character development (*gasp* *shock*). I also liked the character of the editor of the Daily Bugle. Looks like another weine...er...winner....Cluster bombing from a B-52 flying at 30,000 feet is HIGHLY, HIGHLY accurate: The bombs ALWAYS hit the ground.
I agree . . . I wish there was more of J. Jona Jameson (The editor) in the first movie . . . I honestly think that if he had more screentime, he would have stolen the show.
"PAAAARKERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>Spidey actually rejects his status. You don't see that in movies...
actually, this was the whole plot of superman 2 -- superman gives up his powers to become a "normal" man so he can hook up with lois lane.
but, i love spider-man, so i'm looking forward to a little doc oc action! plus my 3 year old loves spider-man right now, for some reason -- this will probably be a little too "scary" though...
Anyone else go to the site and say, "Ooh, who's that reflected in Spidey's eye?...looks like he has something coming out of his shoulders...DOC OCK! COOL!!"
Of course, *real* fan(atic)s probably already knew this, but it was a surprise to me...
In Spider-Man® 2, the latest installment in the blockbuster Spider-Man® series, based on the classic Marvel Comics hero, Tobey Maguire returns as the mild-mannered Peter Parker, who is juggling the delicate balance of his dual life as a college student and a superhuman crime fighter.
The entertaining adventure escalates and Spider-Man's life becomes even more complicated when he confronts a new nemesis, the brilliant Otto Octavius, (Alfred Molina) who has been reincarnated as the maniacal and multi-tentacled "Doc Ock."
Yeah, but I didn't read that till after I watched the trailer...
+1 Insightful for your sig, BTW.
Gee, thanks! Although, oddly enough, I just changed it, and by the time I came back to this thread and saw your reply, the new sig was on my post. But I think you meant the other one...
Listen to Stan....
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Himring
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I really hope they listened to Mr. Lee on this one. He's sorta the guy behind spidey, and he had some sound advice on how the first movie coulda been a bit better. His argument as to the necessity of Peter Parker "making" his web solution and shooter mechanism made for some good sense, and for him to point out that William Defoe was a superb actor and, thus, should have had his face shown while in "Goblin" mode is something the director should have figured out first.
With makeup and CGI like it is, Defoe could have easily had his own face used without a hitch, and being the actor he is it would have been far better than the stupid mask.
Of course, people need to keep in mind that these movies are only "based" on the actual comics and Lee, et al., are not fully consulted....
-- "All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Makeup? CGI? Willen Defoe is so creepy looking, he could've been the Green Goblin with no makeup or CGI whatsoever!
Re:Listen to Stan....
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YomikoReadman
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Yes, but think of every time that Harry saw the Goblin.. without the mask, we would have had this problem; he gets to act all stupid and not realize that the Goblin looks exactly like his father. Put a mask on him, and hey! It's a whole other person, and he can be none the wiser, which leads into the Hobgoblin bit, as he seeks revenge against Spidey. Granted, the mask looked cheesy as all get out, but even in the comics he wore a mask.
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Lee argued that he shouldn't've wore the mask in the movie (I think it was an interview on Techtv?). I'll admit I don't remember in the comics the Goblin ever donning a mask, but maybe he did and I just missed it. I read spiderman like the rest of us did growing up (I bought 3 copies of the issue where he attains the sentient-being outfit in the 80s -- I said that outloud didn't I?). Anywho, if Lee says Defoe shouldn'ta wore the mask then that's good enough for me....
-- "All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Re:Listen to Stan....
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DrDoombender
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I'm not 100% sure they did listen. There's a scene in that trailer where doc oct tells parker to find spider man. He then procedes to throw parker into a brick wall....You'd think that after Parker got back up with only minor injuries that Doc Oct, a genius, would figure out that parker is spiderman. I may be reading too much in to the trailer, but it seems logical. Anyway, my sequel senses are tingling, and they are warning me of a possible dissapointment.
Re:Listen to Stan....
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roman_mir
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Wait a second, wasn't the point of the mask to hide the identity of Goblin from everyone? Without the mask Spiderman would have known from the very beginning who he is up against.
I don't know....I think that making DeFoe's face partially visible with a well designed (granted, corny) mask was pretty good. I believe that it achieved the effect of someone actually human becoming a super villain; much like spider man becoming a super hero....yet we never see spidey's true appearance while in costume. A good balance, I think.
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Spiderman I teaser w/WTC?
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Anonymous Coward
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Anyone know what happened to the original Spiderman teaser/trailer that had the jewelry store heist, 'copter getaway, and web slung between the towers of the World Trade Center? It disappeared pretty quick after 9/11.
Someone at the web site "got it"
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doublem
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I think this the first time I've seen a "Download" link that lets you save it to disk with a couple clicks, instead of having to look at the HTML source and download it by hand.
I guess they got tired of people complaining about not being able to download the trailer.
-- "Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
Re:Someone at the web site "got it"
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maxbang
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they've allowed this for several trailers - matrix, star wars, and some more that i can't think of right now. usually you can download the high-res version. also (you probably already know this) if you have quicktime pro, you can select "save as quicktime movie" after the whole thing's been loaded. that's for all the stuff on quicktime.com, at least.
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Re:Someone at the web site "got it"
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pronik
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If you are using Linux & Mozilla, then just check out the mplayerplug-in, which doesn't only play everything you want, but also allows you (in the latest CVS version, which is quite stable) to save the file by simple right-click!
Re:Someone at the web site "got it"
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bfg9000
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Kick-ass link, bro. Thanks!
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Re:Someone at the web site "got it"
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ajayvb
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Didn't the Matrix have it even for their Superbowl trailer? They are not the first for sure.
I saw this last night (yes, I watched the apprentice, but only to eye that cute little blonde on there) and it was awesome. From ED, to Herc, and now to one of the worlds most beloved comic heroes, Sam Raimi keeps making awesome stuff. I was a little annoyed at "another Hollywood sequel" a few months back, but after watching the longer trailer, I'm more than excited. In fact, there are three things on my body that are hard right now. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are.
Ah, nice. This is much better than the old trailer ("teaser trailer") I saw a couple of months ago that started off with Peter and Mary-Jane in a diner with a car crashing in. Although that one isn't bad at all. Check out the movie's website and click on "watch it now" under the Full Length Trailer section to see the original teaser and some other stuff as well.
I didn't think you could sit around getting high in restaurants in the US.
Re:Much better
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Tibor+the+Hun
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I have to disagree with you. The old trailer told us nothing about the movie, and made us think that maybe Doc. Oc knows who Spider-man really is.
The new trailer explains that he doesn't really know that. He only knows that Parker can get Spider-man, because that's what Green Goblin's son told him.
It's pretty easy to figure out most of the movie then:
Parker's life is messed up by being Spider-man, so he quits doing it.
Green Goblin's son wants to find Spider-man, since he "killed his dad".
Doc. Oc is created in goblin's lab by accident.
Goblin's son tells him to find Spider-man, by going through Parker.
Doc. Oc kidnaps MJ to get Spidey.
Spidey comes back and gets his ass kicked by Oc, who then delivers him to Goblin's son.
From there on it's pretty much guesswork but it's pretty easy to guess that Spidey wins at the end and gets the girl.
Granted, I wasn't expecting a masterpiece, but it'd be nice not to know most of the plot of the movie from watching one trailer.
-- If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
"Doc. Oc is created in goblin's lab by accident.
Goblin's son tells him to find Spider-man, by going through Parker."
And why does Doc Ock give a hoot what Goblin's son tells him to do?
What's so great about spider-man's trailer? I lived in a double wide for years. Don't see anyone getting excited about that. Oh, his probably is full of webs and he probably sleeps in a web-hammock. I Got it.
That's the fine line for the industry; I think with a franchise like Spiderman, the movie will be fun regardless of what plot details leak... I mean it's an action movie, so the total experience is what you're paying for, unlike other movies where the plot matters much more (because it's all some generes have, plot), while the action/comic genre offers more in terms of the experience. Spiderman 1 was very pleasing, but the Hulk was missing plot/char development. I think Spiderman 2 will be better, but I won't know for sure until after I've seen it in theatres (and hence the catch 22 of all moviegoers today, really). Downloading the trailer now...
I would have noticed it more but these to drunk fools were sitting behind us and they kept commenting through the whole move and kicking our chairs, farting noises and belches, laughing during quiet moments in the film; they made the film seem better than it was. If it weren't for them, I would have seen how horrible it really was, I guess.
I feel stupid for getting mad at the idiots behind us...
But the problem with the Hulk was the plot, and the style of the special effects.
The best kind of effects for the Hulk would have been a more glowing character; if the Hulk was green, maybe he was more luminescent. The painted green look of him was just stupid and annoying. Bright green is an eyesore; and that's not the point of the Hulk comics... he's so enraged, he turns green and smashes everything. But he goes back to normal and carries a great deal of guilt in doing so. Furthermore, the muscular movement looked very rubbery, even though it was CG; it didn't look authentic.
The camera angles were almost always flat; they should have done more lower angle shots up, to portray how menacing the Hulk really is. That was a mistake, to show Hulk at face-level, because he looks goofy as hell that way, and who's going to see him at face level?
But I guess that's the way the comic is. Hollywood could have adapted better to it. And where's the angst in the character? Gone. Where's the guilt? Gone. It was all absent.
Oh and what about that horrible video game? Cell shading is soooooo 1993.
The story was adequate, but what was missing was the depth in the story; ie: the framework was okay, but there wasn't much development past framework.
Re:cartooney - Not a bad thing....
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BRock97
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The CGI looks kind of cartoonely...<snip>
I guess it is all about the context of which you are viewing the animation. Films like Spidey and (I assume you were referencing) the Matrix I believe have their atmosphere enhanced by this type of animation. Just as how well Gollumn was translated into CG completely enhanced LOTR.
That said, the Spidey trailer had some of the best examples of this type of CG I have seen. That isn't to say it always works, though, as last summer's Hulk easily proved. There is an example of the CG just not looking good no matter what context it was put into.
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Slashdot really needs to be more considerate of small, startup-quality companies like Apple.
Think of the dropped packets.
Great evil villain to get ass kicked
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Anonymous Coward
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I hate that Amoroso. Please have Spidey thoroughly kick her ass please. The bitch just doesn't want to do her job and will end up in politics unless Spiderman saves the day. He could say something like "Your fired!" just before he kicks her skull in.
Re:Great evil villain to get ass kicked
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Heh heh, surfing the web and basically wasting my life away, I stumbled across the horribly mentally disfigured and monsterous Omarosa. Apparently, she didn't win the Apprentice, but she did win the title of the only Intern Clinton refused to sleep with. "Jesus, you're gross! Get the hell off me!" the President was quoted as saying.
And I would also put money that she's the reason the hapless Democrats crumbled into impotent nothingness after a decade of being on top politically.
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Re:Great evil villain to get ass kicked
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tyndyll
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in other news slightly related news (and since noone else has mentioned it I will), the next film from Marvel is the Punisher (with trailer available here! Hopefully infinitely better than the Dolph Ludgren original:s
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Anyone noticed...
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Hogwash+McFly
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When trailers are engineered to produce 'false scenes'? What I mean is that two different scenes/shots are spliced together in the trailer because they coincidentally run on from eachother or work well together. For example: In the trailer for Men In Black (the first film):
Linda Fiorentino: Let me guess, this is a government conspiracy and you guys are just trying to cover it up, right? (can't remember the exact line)
The trailer for Jurassic Park 1 had something like this, as well. Ellie grabbed a fern or huge leaf while the jeeps were driving, but in the movie it just sort of appeared. Not pivotal, but the same example of strange cuts.
I read the comment that asked for a full screen and decided to provide the link that I used to dl the full screen version. Please reply to the person who asked for fullscreen versions and don't shoot the messenger.
I downloaded the 45.3MB zipped trailer. Then I had to unzip the 46.3MB Quicktime file and delete the zip file. Wow, they saved a whole megabyte in the transfer. Is their bandwidth savings worth the hoops they make their customers jump through?
Re:Most curious
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GR|MLOCK
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If you want people to download something from your website, you zip it. Pretty much all browsers know how to handle a.zip file. They save it to disk. If you give a link to a.mov, crazy things can happen. People who don't get the whole right-click thing just click on it, and then the QuickTime plugin takes over and loads the thing.
It's all about MIME types.
Re:Most curious
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Eagle5596
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Oh wow! Such hoops! You mean I have to unzip the file? Oh woe is me, for unzipping is such a difficult process.
Stop whining, it only makes you look incompetent. Yes, for your information, 1MB of savings per user, over several million hits really does save a lot of bandwidth you insensitive clod.
Is their bandwidth savings worth the hoops they make their customers jump through?
They don't do it for the saving, they do it because most browsers will try to play a.MOV file in the browser window when you click on it. Putting it in a ZIP means the browser will download it.
Sure they save a huge big 1Mb, and you get a file integrity check thrown in for free!
Wow, they saved a whole megabyte in the transfer. Is their bandwidth savings worth the hoops they make their customers jump through?
They're giving you this (pretty freakin' awesome) trailer FOR FREE, and you're complaining that they might want to keep their bandwidth costs down? It's not just you downloading the trailer, y'know - multiply that 1 meg by the ten-thousand-plus downloads today alone, and how-many-tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of downloads between now and June 30.
Saving even that 1 meg per download seems to make a lot of sense to me.
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Re:Ye gods...
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HeghmoH
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Slashdot has never successfully slashdotted Apple; they have more bandwidth than slashdot dreams of. Apple successfully streams realtime full-motion video to tens of thousands of simultaneous viewers a couple of times a year, I think they can handle a few trailer downloads.
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Potential
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Anonymous Coward
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Spiderman has the potential of being the best comic book converted to movie series.
My 2 cents:
Superman - Classic. Great. But didnt have the technology to bring the movies to their full potential. Story started to fade as it approached the later movies. Didn't fully capture the superman comic.
Batman - First one was great, possibly one of the best Comic book Movies EVER. The rest...well you've seen them. Storyline altered to make it more entertaining.
X-Men - Fantastic movies. Very entertaining to watch. Difficult comic to convert into a movie series b/c of the huge personalities of every character. There is no way to capture the true greatness of the comic books without having 5 LOTR length movies.
Spiderman - First one was fantastic. Showed the depth of Peter Parker, Mary Jane and Harry Osborn. Only time will tell if the second movie can bring story together while still keeping us entertained. All the conflicts that Spiderman/Peter must face with Mary Jane and Harry will truely be interesting if done right. In addition, we have Dr. Octavus being introduced which is one of my favorite comic villians[possibly making my opinion bias:-)].
Spoilers, spoilers everywhere
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Gzip+Christ
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Is anyone else annoyed by the amount of story that is given away in trailers now? I guess the production companies must have found that these types of trailers are effective in pulling in audiences to see the movie but it seems to detract from the experience.
Tell me about it. I was all looking forward to seeing The Passion but then <***SPOILER ALERT***> some jackass came up to me on the street and told me about how the main character dies at the end to save humanity. So I told him "hey jackass, thanks for ruining the movie for me. I'm reporting you to the MPAA for pirating the plot and redistributing it to me. I think you owe Mel Gibson an apology and $10." It's just as well that I didn't see it - it sounds like they just ripped off the ending from The Matrix: Revolutions.
Re:Spoilers, spoilers everywhere
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And now you ruined it for us too. Thanks!
I heard they made a book of it, and I was going to read before seeing the movie, but there's little point in that now. =)
Re:Spoilers, spoilers everywhere
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Yeah, but what made me mad was Hollywood's interference with the script. They clearly had to have their happy ending since it sells better. The guy comes back from the dead?!? Come on.:-P
Re:Spoilers, spoilers everywhere
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Kamerynn
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What about us poor folks who hadn't seen Revolutions yet, you insensitive clod!
Re:Spoilers, spoilers everywhere
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slim-t
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Tell me about it. I was all looking forward to seeing The Passion but then some jackass came up to me on the street and told me about how the main character dies at the end to save humanity. So I told him "hey jackass, thanks for ruining the movie for me. I'm reporting you to the MPAA for pirating the plot and redistributing it to me. I think you owe Mel Gibson an apology and $10." It's just as well that I didn't see it - it sounds like they just ripped off the ending from The Matrix: Revolutions.
Same thing happened when I wanted to see Miracle. Somebody told me the Hanson brothers from Slapshot were in it, so didn't even bother. Slapshot 2 sucked.
Kind of like a COMIC BOOK?
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JoshMKiV
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Wait, it looks cartooney? Kind of like a COMIC BOOK? Hmmm...
Re:Kind of like a COMIC BOOK?
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l3prador
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Yah, actually, I think it looks like they really recreated the comic book pictures really well... That costume in the alley trash can as he walks away in the rain is a really good recreation of the drawing in the comic books... (Amazing Spiderman #50, pg 8, if anyone cares)
Trailer opens a website
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At the end of the trailer it opens a browser and connects to http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/. That's a 'feature' I can do without.
Re:Trailer opens a website
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That, and it accesses both of my cdrom drives for no good reason.
Kirsten looked much hotter in the first one- maybe it's just because I've got a thing for redheads- I heard that in the first movie she wore a wig, but she dyed it for this one; I think the wig looked more red.
Man, this sucks for 2 reasons
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First off, I'm a huge fan of the first one, as well as the comics. I'm not trying to incite a flamewar, but...
As was said earlier, the trailer gives away pretty much the whole damn movie! We see the initial backstory, the inner demons, Peter throwing away the spiderman costume, Peter putting it back on... I mean, am I going to have to stop watching trailers soon just so I'll be surprised at the theater?
And second, from the trailer the plot looks almost identical to the first. Evil scientist has a wardrobe malfunction (heh) that turns him crazy, and destroys NYC. Peter wants to be with MJ but has to choose what he really wants (Superman 2, anyone?). Crazy scientist captures MJ, Spiderman has to rescue her.
Or am I missing something?
Re:Man, this sucks for 2 reasons
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Anonymous Coward
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umm - dude, the plot line for all comic books is pretty much the same, so its no surprise that the movies are too. Thats like saying every scooby-doo episode is the same - they track down some monster, who ends up really being the house caretaker with a mask.
For the under-informed here (namely, me) - was that WTC sequence ever intended to be used in the movie? Or was it just something "thrown together" for the advertisement?
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Re:WTC trailer here...
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JediTrainer
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Umm... unfortunately their link doesn't work. Is there another one that anybody's got?
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the apprentice is one of the few shows I watch, so I saw the trailer. all of a sudden I jump up and yell HEY, THAT'S DOC OCT!!! Startled GF and we both laughed over it
heh heh, hadn't even thought about it since the 60's when my dad MADE ME give away my collection when we moved because he didn't want to pay shipping on it with the full sized tractor trailer that moved all our other crap... uh huh, full collection going way back to the 50's, marvel and DC and Mads.. geez....
that collection would be worth.. a freeking lot right now, that's how much! I would guess well into five maybe even six figures
The move and the removal of the comic books wasnt due to "shipping". He was trying to turn you from a pansy boy to a man. Unfortunately, due to the avid slashdot reading, he has obviously failed.
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Re:this is funny
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My grandma threw out all my father's Superman comics, going back to issue one, when enlisted in the marines in WWII. She figured he didn't need kiddy comic books anymore when he was off fighting in the pacific...
He used to tell me, "Son, if my Ma hadn't thrown out my Superone 1, I would be a rich man today. But since she did I can't afford a gardener, so GET OUT THERE AND MOW THE LAWN!"
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yep, more or less how my dad sounds. He's a crank,and a cobjob back yard tinkerer/inventor, guess that's where I get my disposition and interests from from.
Funny, he HATES computers, but is a retired mainframe hardware guy. My mom uses a webTV for surfin and email, but he will have naught to do with personal computers.
I don't throw nuthin out now! I make packrats look like someone in atlantic city with lottery winnings in their pocket!
I remember when I finally made it to A DOLLAH A WEEK allowance for chores. Geez it was like a millyun bucks.
And now the movie studio, director, and the quorint actor are going to be sued by Donald Trump for trademark infringement...
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Re:cartooney - Not a bad thing....
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modecx
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At least in LOTR Gollum was consistent.
They didn't go back and forth between CGI and non-CGI Gollum, and that's what made it beleivable (and they did an exceptionaj job on him, too). If they went between something that was obviously CGI and a puppet/actor, we'd be complaining just as much.
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I want the original music !!!
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BESTouff
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There was *one* thing I was reaally missing in the first film: the music. Before entering the cinema, I thought I'll hear some kind of remixed spiderman music (like in MI2), but I was very disappointed. Music is really part of my memories about the cartoon (yeah, I know, you couldn't hear it in the comics. Whatever).
Re:I want the original music !!!
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cqnn
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That's what you get when you don't sit thru the credits.
and told me about how the main character dies at the end to save humanity.
I read the book, and I have no intention of watching the movie now. In the book, at the end, it was so obvious how they forced it to leave and open ending to then milk more cash in a sequel.
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Perhaps my childhood memories of reading spider-man are inaccurate, but I thought that Otto Octavious was Eastern European. Anyone else remember that? If it's true, why would the movie producers change that? Oh, and what's with his trenchcoat? Where's that lame full body green suit that made me pitty him?
Oh, and what's with his trenchcoat? Where's that lame full body green suit that made me pitty him?
They don't want you to pity him, they want you to fear him. And what's more fearsome that a crazy guy with a George Michael haircut walking around in a trenchcoat?
"This Octopus has NINE big tentacles baby!"
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It's been awhile since i've seen the trailer, but Dr. Octopus didn't look _anything_ at all like i expected him to. Of course my expectations are mostly based off of hazy memories of the Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends cartoon, and i'm not sure how true that was to the original source.
btw, why is everyone making such a big deal about this trailer? Why is the tv refering to it as the "World Premiere"? Isn't it the same one that was shown before Return of the King?
You're clearly a comic fanboy who things every adaptation should be direct one-to-one.
I really hope they listened to Mr. Lee on this one. He's sorta the guy behind spidey, and he had some sound advice on how the first movie coulda been a bit better. His argument as to the necessity of Peter Parker "making" his web solution and shooter mechanism made for some good sense
Uh, no, he agreed that it was better for the movie that shooting webs was part of his genetic mutation. Why?
Because it would have been fucking stupid. If all the sudden he's able to make super-industrial-strength web shooter complete with reloadable cartridges...in a far-fetched movie, that just pushes it to the realm of stupidity.
and for him to point out that William Defoe was a superb actor and, thus, should have had his face shown while in "Goblin" mode is something the director should have figured out first.
That's just an opinion. Sam Raimi wanted to use the goblin mask. Big fucking deal. We got plenty of William's face, particularly in the schizo scenes.
With makeup and CGI like it is, Defoe could have easily had his own face used without a hitch, and being the actor he is it would have been far better than the stupid mask.
You mean with makeup and CGI like it was when Spider-man came out--which would have looked, you guessed it, fucking stupid.
Of course, people need to keep in mind that these movies are only "based" on the actual comics and Lee, et al., are not fully consulted....
Gee, I would have never guessed a movie called "Spider-man" is based on the comic book called "Spider-man." If we directly translated absolutely everything from comics, it would completely, 100% suck. These are movies, not comics.
Uh, no, he agreed that it was better for the movie that shooting webs was part of his genetic mutation.
In the interview I watched of Stan Lee commenting on the movie he clearly lamented that Peter Parker did not make the web solution and shooter mechanism (I tried finding a transcript of this on techtv, but alas cannot. I did find a transcript of his interview on "Big Thinkers" and he discusses the not-yet-released, first Spiderman movie, but the interview I saw was after the movie's release and I think Leo Laport did the interview -- could be wrong). Parker's scientific abilities (illustrated almost solely through the making of the web-shooters), stated Lee, were a key element of his character.
If you saw some other interview where Lee stated differently then I cannot answer for that....
You're clearly a comic fanboy who things every adaptation should be direct one-to-one.
I'm clearly a comicbook fan, and I'm also clearly someone who saw Lee stating the things I listed in an interview and felt that, like, since he created the stuff his opinion might matter a little.
...who things
'Things'? You talk like Inigo Montoya.... "I do not thing it means what you thing it means...."
You're clearly a comic fanboy
You're clearly short and fat....
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Uh, no, he agreed that it was better for the movie that shooting webs was part of his genetic mutation. Why?
I heard he disagreed.
Because it would have been fucking stupid. If all the sudden he's able to make super-industrial-strength web shooter complete with reloadable cartridges...in a far-fetched movie, that just pushes it to the realm of stupidity.
It was a plot point in the comics (I read them when I was much younger). His webbing dissolved after about an hour, I think, and he occasionally ran out.
In the fifties and early sixties, science was being thrown forward by leaps and bounds. Some guy in his basement really could, and did, come up with world-shaking inventions.
Now a days, however, it seems kind of farfetched that a highschool kid could come up, over night, with an adhesive that 3M can't.
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In the fifties and early sixties, science was being thrown forward by leaps and bounds. Some guy in his basement really could, and did, come up with world-shaking inventions.
Now a days, however, it seems kind of farfetched that a highschool kid could come up, over night, with an adhesive that 3M can't.
If I find Stan Lee's email address, then I'll be sure to let you have it so you can take up this issue with him....
-- "All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
The marketing groups at the movie studios found out something a long time ago: most people want to know what happens. So they cram as much of the story and important points into 30 seconds as they can. This is a much better move than to just put "Spider-man 2: Summer 2005" on a blank black screen.
As much as you hate the fact they showed Peter wanting to throw away the costume, many more people want to know Peter is having this turmoil. So marketing sticks it in. As much as you don't want to know why Doc Oc wants to go on a rampage many more want to see exactly how Doc Oc throws stuff around mad as hell.
Its the nature of the buisness. Although there are people who hate the idea of a story being spoiled, so many more out there really want it.
the people are smart this time around
they have a download trailer link
which is good because it saves movie geeks time from trying to go to movielist or darkhorizons to get downloadable versions.
i never understood why they didn't release trailers in downloadable format
(for that matter musicvideos as well)
In the book, at the end, it was so obvious how they forced it to leave and open ending to then milk more cash in a sequel.
Sadly yes, there is a sequel in the works and I've read bits and pieces of the disappointing script... <***SPOILER ALERT***> They take all the fun out of the story by telling you that Jesus' supernatural powers are the result of an abnormally high midichlorian count. If that wasn't bad enough, there is a new character named Jar Jar The Baptist who seems to do nothing but trip into people who Jesus then has to heal (using his midichlorian powers). Even Natalie Portman couldn't save this movie (not even with all the grits in the world).
Dang, I had some good ones, had a stack of the spidermans, from issue one. Just that one issue got to be worth serious clams now.. I am thinking now, converting lawn mowing (50 cent a yard), farm work(around 9$ a day in the summer) and snow shoveling (50 cent a driveway, with a shovel) hours of labor, into ten cent comics, what a return on investment that was, err, could have been.
Of course, I could have saved all my real silver coin, too..sheesh....
My dad had comics from his childhood, pulp fiction looking things, I can't remember most of them, the weirdest ones were obvious propoganda pieces released during world war two. He went in out of high school during that war, so his collection came to a halt then, but it caught the first coupla years of the war while he was still in school. I can't remember the names of them now, no idea if he still has them. I do remember some of them had stickers you collected and pasted into the comics. They were pretty jingoistic and racist from what I recall, as to be expected then I suppose.
Never saw the first spiderman movie, but I only really buy well marked down used movies now, and not very many of them. I even have a copy of the matrix here I got somehow used, never watched it yet, just not a big movie person any more. Used to love them, now they are mostly tedious to me. Still like reading though, always have, taught myself (mostly) the basics before I went to school around age 4, reading newspapers and coordinating what I read in them with what was on the news on the 9 inch philco.. the first TV in da 'hood. First word I remember learning was "Ike". Picture association -> word. The rest came easier after nouns were adequate.
still kant speul wirth nuthin tho
Re:cartooney - Not a bad thing....
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Jim+Starx
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I don't think it's fair to compare Golum to the Matrix 2. Golum was cgi intended to represent a being who does not exist in this world and who's physical charecteristics can't be replicated by an actor in a suit. It was consistent and believable. Whereas the matrix cgi was intended to represent Keano, they did a horrible job of making it look good and I think the movie was worse off for it.
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The Punisher trailer, in comparison, appears quite bleak of content. Sadly, I am a Punisher fan who is wondering WTF they were doing in that movie. Punisher looks really awful from the trailer, and that bothers me. I'm the guy with the punisher jacket you saw back in the early 90's, fyi...
Re:post contains SPOILER
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the_consumer
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He did you a favor. It stunk.
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Lee didn't get into how he have had it all worked out as far as Dafoe transforming into the Goblin if he didn't wear the mask, but I figured it would've been something like you describe -- a transformation into Goblin wherein makeup and CGI would help (and no need to be an entirely CGI creation like Gollum IMO).
Also, good point someone else raised and that is that, heck, Spiderman wore a mask in the movie!!! Funny, we accept that (and Lee does too I guess), because it is far more clear that he does so -- or, I really don't know why we accept it. I honestly never thought about it until today and this thread.
Btw, thanks for the sanity in your post. It rather rare....
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Good call, AC... it's true that we can't tell anything about these movies from their trailers; they are detatched from the film; separate, alternate even, as one is made by marketing folks and the other is made by everyone else. And that's the kicker, really; so many films go underrated as their trailers sucking down money that isn't there, treat the whole experience as a kind of myriad of cash potential and that's when the art is gone.
Ineptitude at Oscorp
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Brackney
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You'd think after two major mishaps at Oscorp that resulted in insane super-criminals that they'd at the very least have their QS9000 certification revoked!
I might be wrong, but I don't think they supplied Ford, Chrysler or GM. Other than that, ISO 9001:2000 would have been good enough for the military but I digress...that should be pulled too.
One of the most enjoyable movie experiences that I have had was with Willow, which isn't really a Great Movie or anything, but the trailers revealed nothing about the plot, and none of the "money" cool images from the movie were in it. I went in knowing the actors and director, and that it was a fantasy movie and nothing else, and I had a great time.
If only the people who cut the trailers would let the best parts of the movie surprise you...
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Re:cartooney - Not a bad thing....
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sirsnork
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Not baging LOTR, but Gollum was NOT consistent. When he was shown in fellowship he was NOTHING like the last 2 movies. This was primarily cos theydecided to have an actor do his movements and ended up using said actors face gestures.
Re:cartooney - Not a bad thing....
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modecx
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Yes, perhaps he changed a bit in between the whole set of movies; I wouldn't deny that (but I would attribute it to having more time to better refine their work, and more experience towards the end of the run).
My point was, that unlike Matrix, or many other movies that replace an actor for a scene or two, Gollum's appearance didn't suddenly (and dramatically) change inbetween takes, thereby drawing the viewer out of the movie by focusing his attention on the details. Iv'e seen CGI stunt doubles done well, but they are few and far between. Usually they blur the heck out of them, and the saturation seems all wrong, but eh. Whatever!
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I only noticed it a few places places where he was really shiny and the red color were much brighter. Too bad because it was really well done otherwise.
And they blame P2P for drop in sales? Have any of the execs acually endured any of the movies they release?
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Re: Too bad 9/11 had to happen.
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sysopd
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It doesn't make any sense to me. It's sort of like if your girlfriend was murdered, then you'd go and immediately burn all of her possessions and all the photos you had of her.
It doesn't make any sense, but its kinda like what the girlfriend does in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Hardship, trauma, loss, death, etc are all difficult to deal with but ultimately are character building. There is good in the bad as well as opportunity for change and growth.
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on the east coast too at about 40 minutes into the show for those with Tivo's.
I'd rather see Extreme Makeover - Spiderman Edition.
They could give him the extra four legs he's always wanted and graft some acting ability onto Kirsten Dunst.
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The CGI looks kind of cartoonely, kind of like when you can tell during the burly brawl when they stopped using keano and started using the all cgi character. ;-)
That being said ill still go see it...
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Is anyone else annoyed by the amount of story that is given away in trailers now? I guess the production companies must have found that these types of trailers are effective in pulling in audiences to see the movie but it seems to detract from the experience.
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I was skeptical after the first trailer came out. However, this one looks just as good as the first, if not better. Looks like real character development (*gasp* *shock*). I also liked the character of the editor of the Daily Bugle. Looks like another weine...er...winner. ...Cluster bombing from a B-52 flying at 30,000 feet is HIGHLY, HIGHLY accurate: The bombs ALWAYS hit the ground.
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Anyone else go to the site and say, "Ooh, who's that reflected in Spidey's eye?
Of course, *real* fan(atic)s probably already knew this, but it was a surprise to me...
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I really hope they listened to Mr. Lee on this one. He's sorta the guy behind spidey, and he had some sound advice on how the first movie coulda been a bit better. His argument as to the necessity of Peter Parker "making" his web solution and shooter mechanism made for some good sense, and for him to point out that William Defoe was a superb actor and, thus, should have had his face shown while in "Goblin" mode is something the director should have figured out first.
With makeup and CGI like it is, Defoe could have easily had his own face used without a hitch, and being the actor he is it would have been far better than the stupid mask.
Of course, people need to keep in mind that these movies are only "based" on the actual comics and Lee, et al., are not fully consulted....
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Anyone know what happened to the original Spiderman teaser/trailer that had the jewelry store heist, 'copter getaway, and web slung between the towers of the World Trade Center? It disappeared pretty quick after 9/11.
I think this the first time I've seen a "Download" link that lets you save it to disk with a couple clicks, instead of having to look at the HTML source and download it by hand.
I guess they got tired of people complaining about not being able to download the trailer.
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I saw this last night (yes, I watched the apprentice, but only to eye that cute little blonde on there) and it was awesome. From ED, to Herc, and now to one of the worlds most beloved comic heroes, Sam Raimi keeps making awesome stuff. I was a little annoyed at "another Hollywood sequel" a few months back, but after watching the longer trailer, I'm more than excited. In fact, there are three things on my body that are hard right now. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are.
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Ah, nice. This is much better than the old trailer ("teaser trailer") I saw a couple of months ago that started off with Peter and Mary-Jane in a diner with a car crashing in. Although that one isn't bad at all. Check out the movie's website and click on "watch it now" under the Full Length Trailer section to see the original teaser and some other stuff as well.
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What's so great about spider-man's trailer? I lived in a double wide for years. Don't see anyone getting excited about that. Oh, his probably is full of webs and he probably sleeps in a web-hammock. I Got it.
That's the fine line for the industry; I think with a franchise like Spiderman, the movie will be fun regardless of what plot details leak... I mean it's an action movie, so the total experience is what you're paying for, unlike other movies where the plot matters much more (because it's all some generes have, plot), while the action/comic genre offers more in terms of the experience. Spiderman 1 was very pleasing, but the Hulk was missing plot/char development. I think Spiderman 2 will be better, but I won't know for sure until after I've seen it in theatres (and hence the catch 22 of all moviegoers today, really). Downloading the trailer now...
The CGI looks kind of cartoonely...<snip>
I guess it is all about the context of which you are viewing the animation. Films like Spidey and (I assume you were referencing) the Matrix I believe have their atmosphere enhanced by this type of animation. Just as how well Gollumn was translated into CG completely enhanced LOTR.
That said, the Spidey trailer had some of the best examples of this type of CG I have seen. That isn't to say it always works, though, as last summer's Hulk easily proved. There is an example of the CG just not looking good no matter what context it was put into.
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I hate that Amoroso. Please have Spidey thoroughly kick her ass please. The bitch just doesn't want to do her job and will end up in politics unless Spiderman saves the day. He could say something like "Your fired!" just before he kicks her skull in.
When trailers are engineered to produce 'false scenes'? What I mean is that two different scenes/shots are spliced together in the trailer because they coincidentally run on from eachother or work well together. For example: In the trailer for Men In Black (the first film):
Linda Fiorentino: Let me guess, this is a government conspiracy and you guys are just trying to cover it up, right? (can't remember the exact line)
Cut to Will Smith: Psh, naw.
Two different frickin' scenes, I swear!
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Yep. Looks like I won't be seeing that movie.
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I downloaded the 45.3MB zipped trailer. Then I had to unzip the 46.3MB Quicktime file and delete the zip file. Wow, they saved a whole megabyte in the transfer. Is their bandwidth savings worth the hoops they make their customers jump through?
but we like using quicktime to watch commercials.
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Slashdot has never successfully slashdotted Apple; they have more bandwidth than slashdot dreams of. Apple successfully streams realtime full-motion video to tens of thousands of simultaneous viewers a couple of times a year, I think they can handle a few trailer downloads.
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Spiderman has the potential of being the best comic book converted to movie series.
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My 2 cents:
Superman - Classic. Great. But didnt have the technology to bring the movies to their full potential. Story started to fade as it approached the later movies. Didn't fully capture the superman comic.
Batman - First one was great, possibly one of the best Comic book Movies EVER. The rest...well you've seen them. Storyline altered to make it more entertaining.
X-Men - Fantastic movies. Very entertaining to watch. Difficult comic to convert into a movie series b/c of the huge personalities of every character. There is no way to capture the true greatness of the comic books without having 5 LOTR length movies.
Spiderman - First one was fantastic. Showed the depth of Peter Parker, Mary Jane and Harry Osborn. Only time will tell if the second movie can bring story together while still keeping us entertained. All the conflicts that Spiderman/Peter must face with Mary Jane and Harry will truely be interesting if done right. In addition, we have Dr. Octavus being introduced which is one of my favorite comic villians[possibly making my opinion bias
Wait, it looks cartooney? Kind of like a COMIC BOOK? Hmmm...
At the end of the trailer it opens a browser and connects to http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/. That's a 'feature' I can do without.
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Kirsten looked much hotter in the first one- maybe it's just because I've got a thing for redheads- I heard that in the first movie she wore a wig, but she dyed it for this one; I think the wig looked more red.
First off, I'm a huge fan of the first one, as well as the comics. I'm not trying to incite a flamewar, but...
As was said earlier, the trailer gives away pretty much the whole damn movie! We see the initial backstory, the inner demons, Peter throwing away the spiderman costume, Peter putting it back on... I mean, am I going to have to stop watching trailers soon just so I'll be surprised at the theater?
And second, from the trailer the plot looks almost identical to the first. Evil scientist has a wardrobe malfunction (heh) that turns him crazy, and destroys NYC. Peter wants to be with MJ but has to choose what he really wants (Superman 2, anyone?). Crazy scientist captures MJ, Spiderman has to rescue her.
Or am I missing something?
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You can still download it from here. I personally thought it was an awesome teaser. Too bad 9/11 had to happen. :(
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the apprentice is one of the few shows I watch, so I saw the trailer. all of a sudden I jump up and yell HEY, THAT'S DOC OCT!!! Startled GF and we both laughed over it
heh heh, hadn't even thought about it since the 60's when my dad MADE ME give away my collection when we moved because he didn't want to pay shipping on it with the full sized tractor trailer that moved all our other crap... uh huh, full collection going way back to the 50's, marvel and DC and Mads.. geez....
that collection would be worth.. a freeking lot right now, that's how much! I would guess well into five maybe even six figures
Did anybody else catch the joke here?
With the trailer shown during The Apprentice, they had to include this:
JJ Jameson, Peter Parker's boss at the paper, says
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At least in LOTR Gollum was consistent.
They didn't go back and forth between CGI and non-CGI Gollum, and that's what made it beleivable (and they did an exceptionaj job on him, too). If they went between something that was obviously CGI and a puppet/actor, we'd be complaining just as much.
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There was *one* thing I was reaally missing in the first film: the music. Before entering the cinema, I thought I'll hear some kind of remixed spiderman music (like in MI2), but I was very disappointed. Music is really part of my memories about the cartoon (yeah, I know, you couldn't hear it in the comics. Whatever).
I read the book, and I have no intention of watching the movie now. In the book, at the end, it was so obvious how they forced it to leave and open ending to then milk more cash in a sequel.
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Perhaps my childhood memories of reading spider-man are inaccurate, but I thought that Otto Octavious was Eastern European. Anyone else remember that? If it's true, why would the movie producers change that? Oh, and what's with his trenchcoat? Where's that lame full body green suit that made me pitty him?
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You're clearly a comic fanboy who things every adaptation should be direct one-to-one.
I really hope they listened to Mr. Lee on this one. He's sorta the guy behind spidey, and he had some sound advice on how the first movie coulda been a bit better. His argument as to the necessity of Peter Parker "making" his web solution and shooter mechanism made for some good sense
Uh, no, he agreed that it was better for the movie that shooting webs was part of his genetic mutation. Why?
Because it would have been fucking stupid. If all the sudden he's able to make super-industrial-strength web shooter complete with reloadable cartridges...in a far-fetched movie, that just pushes it to the realm of stupidity.
and for him to point out that William Defoe was a superb actor and, thus, should have had his face shown while in "Goblin" mode is something the director should have figured out first.
That's just an opinion. Sam Raimi wanted to use the goblin mask. Big fucking deal. We got plenty of William's face, particularly in the schizo scenes.
With makeup and CGI like it is, Defoe could have easily had his own face used without a hitch, and being the actor he is it would have been far better than the stupid mask.
You mean with makeup and CGI like it was when Spider-man came out--which would have looked, you guessed it, fucking stupid.
Of course, people need to keep in mind that these movies are only "based" on the actual comics and Lee, et al., are not fully consulted....
Gee, I would have never guessed a movie called "Spider-man" is based on the comic book called "Spider-man." If we directly translated absolutely everything from comics, it would completely, 100% suck. These are movies, not comics.
The marketing groups at the movie studios found out something a long time ago: most people want to know what happens. So they cram as much of the story and important points into 30 seconds as they can. This is a much better move than to just put "Spider-man 2: Summer 2005" on a blank black screen.
As much as you hate the fact they showed Peter wanting to throw away the costume, many more people want to know Peter is having this turmoil. So marketing sticks it in. As much as you don't want to know why Doc Oc wants to go on a rampage many more want to see exactly how Doc Oc throws stuff around mad as hell.
Its the nature of the buisness. Although there are people who hate the idea of a story being spoiled, so many more out there really want it.
the people are smart this time around they have a download trailer link which is good because it saves movie geeks time from trying to go to movielist or darkhorizons to get downloadable versions. i never understood why they didn't release trailers in downloadable format (for that matter musicvideos as well)
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Dang, I had some good ones, had a stack of the spidermans, from issue one. Just that one issue got to be worth serious clams now.. I am thinking now, converting lawn mowing (50 cent a yard), farm work(around 9$ a day in the summer) and snow shoveling (50 cent a driveway, with a shovel) hours of labor, into ten cent comics, what a return on investment that was, err, could have been.
Of course, I could have saved all my real silver coin, too..sheesh....
My dad had comics from his childhood, pulp fiction looking things, I can't remember most of them, the weirdest ones were obvious propoganda pieces released during world war two. He went in out of high school during that war, so his collection came to a halt then, but it caught the first coupla years of the war while he was still in school. I can't remember the names of them now, no idea if he still has them. I do remember some of them had stickers you collected and pasted into the comics. They were pretty jingoistic and racist from what I recall, as to be expected then I suppose.
Never saw the first spiderman movie, but I only really buy well marked down used movies now, and not very many of them. I even have a copy of the matrix here I got somehow used, never watched it yet, just not a big movie person any more. Used to love them, now they are mostly tedious to me. Still like reading though, always have, taught myself (mostly) the basics before I went to school around age 4, reading newspapers and coordinating what I read in them with what was on the news on the 9 inch philco.. the first TV in da 'hood. First word I remember learning was "Ike". Picture association -> word. The rest came easier after nouns were adequate.
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I don't think it's fair to compare Golum to the Matrix 2. Golum was cgi intended to represent a being who does not exist in this world and who's physical charecteristics can't be replicated by an actor in a suit. It was consistent and believable. Whereas the matrix cgi was intended to represent Keano, they did a horrible job of making it look good and I think the movie was worse off for it.
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The Punisher trailer, in comparison, appears quite bleak of content. Sadly, I am a Punisher fan who is wondering WTF they were doing in that movie. Punisher looks really awful from the trailer, and that bothers me. I'm the guy with the punisher jacket you saw back in the early 90's, fyi...
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Lee didn't get into how he have had it all worked out as far as Dafoe transforming into the Goblin if he didn't wear the mask, but I figured it would've been something like you describe -- a transformation into Goblin wherein makeup and CGI would help (and no need to be an entirely CGI creation like Gollum IMO).
Also, good point someone else raised and that is that, heck, Spiderman wore a mask in the movie!!! Funny, we accept that (and Lee does too I guess), because it is far more clear that he does so -- or, I really don't know why we accept it. I honestly never thought about it until today and this thread.
Btw, thanks for the sanity in your post. It rather rare....
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Good call, AC... it's true that we can't tell anything about these movies from their trailers; they are detatched from the film; separate, alternate even, as one is made by marketing folks and the other is made by everyone else. And that's the kicker, really; so many films go underrated as their trailers sucking down money that isn't there, treat the whole experience as a kind of myriad of cash potential and that's when the art is gone.
You'd think after two major mishaps at Oscorp that resulted in insane super-criminals that they'd at the very least have their QS9000 certification revoked!
One of the most enjoyable movie experiences that I have had was with Willow, which isn't really a Great Movie or anything, but the trailers revealed nothing about the plot, and none of the "money" cool images from the movie were in it. I went in knowing the actors and director, and that it was a fantasy movie and nothing else, and I had a great time.
If only the people who cut the trailers would let the best parts of the movie surprise you...
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Not baging LOTR, but Gollum was NOT consistent. When he was shown in fellowship he was NOTHING like the last 2 movies. This was primarily cos theydecided to have an actor do his movements and ended up using said actors face gestures.
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Yes, perhaps he changed a bit in between the whole set of movies; I wouldn't deny that (but I would attribute it to having more time to better refine their work, and more experience towards the end of the run).
My point was, that unlike Matrix, or many other movies that replace an actor for a scene or two, Gollum's appearance didn't suddenly (and dramatically) change inbetween takes, thereby drawing the viewer out of the movie by focusing his attention on the details. Iv'e seen CGI stunt doubles done well, but they are few and far between. Usually they blur the heck out of them, and the saturation seems all wrong, but eh. Whatever!
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I only noticed it a few places places where he was really shiny and the red color were much brighter. Too bad because it was really well done otherwise.
A sequel? After the first one?!
And they blame P2P for drop in sales? Have any of the execs acually endured any of the movies they release?
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It doesn't make any sense, but its kinda like what the girlfriend does in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Hardship, trauma, loss, death, etc are all difficult to deal with but ultimately are character building. There is good in the bad as well as opportunity for change and growth.