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In-Flight Wi-Fi Makes its Debut
mindless4210 writes "German airline Lufthansa will become the first carrier to provide Boeing's Connexion service to its passengers. The service will be unveiled on May 17 on non-stop flights from Munich to Los Angeles, with plans to outfit their entire fleet over the next year. Passengers will be able to purchase access using their credit cards and Wi-Fi enabled laptops. The cost is set at $30 for the entire flight or $10 for 30 minutes."
mid-air LAN party!!
Does this mean that us nerds can now join the "mile high club"?
Any use for plane to plane communications? quickly sending your vital stats, etc. or just as a log of who you have passed.
Can't wait till someone acidentally starts controlling the plane with MS Flight simulator
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I used to look forward to flights because it gave me time to get lost in a book while sipping some whiskey. now I'll be answering (and dealing with) crap from work? I'm not sure if I'll do this; some times you just can't reach me (this is why all of my phones are off when I'm asleep).
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...before we start hearing horror stories about sitting next to sketchy guys who are checking out pr0n on the plane?
before someone finds a way to hack this Wifi security and EVERYONE flying uses it without cost?
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Doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere and the Boeing site appears to be dead. I'm assuming it's better than dial-up.
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On the positive side... it beats playing solitaire.
I would love to have wifi on a long flight and $30 isn't completely unreasonable for a flight from Germany to California. This is all fine, but can someone explain to me if we can have wifi on a flight, why can't I have my CD player turned on when the plane first takes off? I've never understood how a CD player could mess with their equipment very much, but I can imagine wifi being a bit of a problem...
I can see people who don't want to pay for the connection sniffing someone's traffic, then cloning their MAC address and surfing for free after the guy switches off.
wohee, now i don't need to wait for the hotspots in arrivals ...
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It sounds like a reasonable price, especially if it aids productivity, but what I'd really like to know is (1) how much the service costs the airline versus how much they stand to make from consumers and (2) how fast will it be (802.11b? g?)
I didn't expect to be able to find the pricing, but I did expect to find some sort of speed rating, which I haven't been able to locate.
What are the odds that VoIP ports are either blocked or the latency makes it unusable? The airline industry has put quite a bit of effort into explaining why Airphone is The Only Right Way to talk from a plane.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we must ask that you not use your laptop as a phone over the internet as it... may cause cancer."
Is this going to be a totally free service, or will certain sites be "blocked off"? I expect to see a marked increase in the number of passengers arrested for indecent exposure. Or even better, over the loudspeaker: "Passenger in seat 17E: Keep it in your pants. Thank you."
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Just interviewed there about 2 months ago for an IDS system. It was currently put on hold (after the interview process btw), but from what I hear they have an IDS guy leaving or switching roles. If you live in seattle and don't mind working down by boeing field, would be a cool company to work for. Usually they're looking for CISSP / GIAC's. From what they told me, this should be rolled out to a huge consortum of airlines by the end of 2004. Will be interesting to see how this roles out, as another company in Seattle is there largest competitor, who rolled out the service previously.
A Flash-free website with information on Boeing Connexion can be found here.
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I'd rather take the charter flights with no internet access thanks.
their electornics? One is typically told to turn off all music players, laptops, and mobile phones before the flight begins, and only laptops and music players are safe to use in-flight.
Can someone explain to me how Wi-Fi is going to be a safe bet to use throughout the flight?
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You still don't have an electrical outlet. Lets hope you have 9 hours of battery life to get your money worth!
They do it now with magazines. At least now you'll be able to hear the sounds too...
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I myself am used to editing my talks while on the plane and in flight access to the databases that I use will be of great help. Can't wait to get this. Something else though - I'm wondering about in flight information. You can usually get really up-to-date weather info and so on during the flight. I can imagine a scenario where flyers with wi-fi access will know of bad weather and, possibly, impending disaster before it's being announced by the captain (who usually won't announce impending disaster anyway). We could get a new kind of panic - Airport panic (capitalization is intentional :)).
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I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
I see this as a good way for airlines to make more money. Having recently flown Frontier and enjoyed the 22 (or so) channel satellite TV service (that I paid a nominal $5 charge for - and was free until after take off) I welcome many options like this for the airlines. I do admit that $30 is pretty steep for something like this. I'm not a penny pincher by any means, but I would find it tough to cough up the cash for this. I would, however, easily plunk down $15 for this service.
I'm also happy the airlines have been increasingly moving towards charging for inflight meals as it's something I've thought they should have done long again. Instead of everyone, no matter if you're hungry or not, getting plain awful food, those who wish to pay a reasonable price actually get good food.
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Who will be the first to set up his laptop as an access point as well as a client, to share it?
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Someone brings a wireless router of their own, and makes themselves a hub. Brings new meaning to Warflying...
Actually, most airlines now have low-voltage power ports (much like car cigarette lighter jacks) in the armrests, at least in the First and Business classes. Some have it in coach as well. But you'll need the correct adapter to use them on your laptop...
One nice feature of it will be being able to go to trip.com and find out where you actually are. Of course this is only uselful on planes which don't have the in seat displays where you can select the inflight map anytime you want to.
I'll happily pay $30 rather than be bored for 9 hours.
it's pretty dangerous
I look forward to crapflooding from international airspace.
To begin with, it won't be from international airspace. You will be bound by the law of the respective carrier and the in-flight Internet Service Provider, that will most likely be the CBB - Connexion By Boeing. Obviously, every nerd worth this proud name, must at least consider the idea of hosting a "screw DMCA!" warez server on his laptop traveling across the Atlantic, but actually connecting to the Net via CBB is just like connecting from Seattle, even if your signal goes to this beautiful city through a fairly sophisticated satellite network. So when you are posting from a German plane through a Seattle-based provider, you can't claim freedom from DMCA/Euro-DMCA. But you can crapflood from the sky since quite a long time - Lufthansa already offers in-flight broadband. The only thing that is new this time is the Wi-Fi. Actually, I don't think it's a good idea - Wi-Fi consumes more power than cable ethernet connection, and if you don't fly business/first, you try to save every zilch of energy on your laptop.
I have an iBook - I can get 6 hours, easy (although I'm not sure with the Airport card powered up - I usually turn it off in flight, I mean, what am I going to connect to up there until now?)
An extra battery and I have enough for 10 or so hours easy, even adding for frivolous power waste, like increasing the screen brightness or listening to a CD rather than mp3.
$10 for 30 minutes -> 33 cents per minute
So you have to pay about 20 pence per minute. I usually get two ads per week from NTL for cable. They offer here in Coventry a 1000 kbit/s line for about 30 pounds per month.
Anyone know of any definite plans for other airlines to introduce this service? I'd love it on my next flight over the Pacific!
whilst the plane is in mid-atlantic, under which country's laws would the RIAA prosecute me ?
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it seems to me that an airline should follow the trend of more and more coffee shops/hotels every day who offer their WiFi for FREE to their customers. It should be part of the airfare, which on any flight is ample.
I had to make a call on one once, because my flight couldn't land at the destination airpot and I didn't want my fiancee to try driving through the snowstorm to pick me up.
It took about 10 attempts to get it to work, the instructions were inaccurate, when something went wrong it just produced a random tone... when i actually got it to work the call was so noisy I could hardly make out a word she said.
Worst $10 call ever... fortunately that was a lufthansa flight, so next time i'll just email.
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When I was consulting, and traveling frequently (in coach class, company would *not* buy business class tix), I had to either
All of this while running at the lowest power setting, praying my P4 lap-heater would last until I got my work/game done. Forget anything like compiling or playing even starcraft... stick with editing files, typeing email/doc, and nethack.
Add wifi access, and all I'd be doing is browsing, not anything meaningful... and wifi lowers your battery faster, too :-(
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It's funny how they tell you that you are not allowed to use anything that transmits a radio frequency but they will make an exception when they can profit off of it.
I would suspect that they are charging $30 for the value aspect, and not primarily for the actual bandwidth usage.
Just my opinion.
.... which spectacular maths leaves your answer out by the small factor of 100! $10 ~ 5.50, 5.50 / 30mins ~ 18p/min. I think that pretty much answers your question.
Old skool airlines price for business first - the passengers out back are there to make the numbers.
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30 bucks is negligible for business travellers. Especially those who spend half their time in the air.
Everyone here is looking at it as whether it's worth 30 bucks. More to the point, easy net access reduces a major barrier to business travel. Workers are more productive, can respond to stuff as it happens, and managers can be more confident they're actually working rather than catching up on the latest blockbusters.
Less barriers, more flights. That's what the industry desperately needs right now.
Now if only the whole industry could get its act together and reduce the waiting times at either end of the trip
1) They want you paying attention since takeoff and landing are the most likely times for a problem. If there is one, they want you to hear instructions.
2) Just to be extra safe. A properly operating CD player should generate basically no EM field, but why take the chance? Maybe someone has a jacked up unit. I can't think how you'd do it but rather than worry about it and try to make a list of exceptions, they just ban them all and are done with it.
the airfare, which on any flight is ample
You can cross the country for ~$200. That's cheap by any standard. Seriously. how can you say that airlines are overcharging and should be adding services for free. The idea that you can get from New York to LA in 6 hours. That is madness. Tell that to the pioneers that took 6 months and spent hundreds of dollars (in 1850's money) and they would shit a brick.
If anything you should get free airplane flights with your starbucks. They are the ones overcharging. $2-3 for a cup of coffee. At that price it better come with some pr0n.
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Bah...
I'm getting decent speeds by taking three airphones (three seat wide section) and using a uunet dialup account to bind all three together using ppp multilink. I just charge the airtime back to my company!
I tried to use more phones from the passengers seats infront and behind me....but the cords are too short! DAMN!!
They most likely have to purchase satellite time from another company.
Given that each seat already has a myriad of cabling going to it, I simply can't see why they've opted for WiFi connectivity - other than as a gimmic.
After all I guess 90% of laptops have Ethernet ports, and what - 40% have Wifi?
So they have a smaller potential audience, plus the issues of RF engineering, interference, security, contention etc.
So gimmic it is, unless anyone has some better ideas.
I worked in support for these guys last year while they were in beta with BA and Lufthansa - very, very cool setup let me tell you.
A few of the questions I can answer, mind you these may not be the most current stats:
- speed is like broadband, but they will not specify the exact bandwidth. feedback from 'consumers' was positive, they said it was like home dsl or cable
- VoIP worked. It was done between passengers on the plan itself as well as to/from the ground. Say goodby to $10/min airtime!
- no ports were blocked during the trial, people were running all kinds of things
As far as hacking and what not: only a handful of people per plane will use this service. It won't be too hard - if they care - for them to walk around a little and see who paid and who didn't.
Lastly, the whole interference issue is, inmho, complete bs. The regulations vary widely on international carriers in terms of what you can use and what you can't. If it were a real safety issue, there would be consensus and a blanket ban on all electronics, or all rf electronics. There isn't. It's fine. Just relax.
Oh, one other thing: this will not be used for any type of data transfer to/from the cockpit for obvious reasons. There are systems in place for that, and Boeing is not looking to use this system to replace those any time in the near future.
I don't think spoofing is a very great concern. The point of Lufthansa installing this is that business customers will fly Lufthansa and not BA. It's not to get thirty bucks.
OK, to do security one must think like the bad guys. So let us put on our black hats for a moment.
/me removes black hat
Only fairly well off people will fork over $30 to feed their Internet addiction - most of all the super-type-A types who cannot tell the difference between "being busy" and "being productive".
Most of those people will be running Windows, probably Win98 or WinXP.
So, if I just sit back, wait for them to get their mail, sniff the password they use for email, and then use that password in an attempt to access their computer, I will probably get right in.
Then I can Trojan their machines (for later access to the inside of whatever corporate network they use), download their My Documents folder and desktop, and see what I can dig up.
The beautiful thing about this is that I have every excuse to be close to these people for extended period times, then I get off the plane and go my own way, never to cross the guys path again.
Gosh, I am SO glad I am not in IT management....
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I work for the company that worked as the technologypartner for Lufthansa (Burda Digital) and it's great to see that this is literally taking off finally. I wasn't directly affected to it but still it makes me proud that this story made it to Slashdot. ;-)
Do you think they would be so stupid as to integrate the system into vital components of the plane? There is no reason for the rest of the plane to connect to a wifi network.
Isn't that a bit high? Seems like its expensive to just check your spam, err email..
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Ahh, I knew I'd heard this some where before.
I actually read posting my a guy made during the first trail while some where over the Atlantic.
They can't charge you for your CD player
Agreed, it would be a really bad idea, but when has that ever stopped anyone before?
That said, Boeing definitely aren't stupid, and the systems are, I suspect, unlikely to be able to talk to one another anyway.
That doesn't stop someone in marketting thinking that it would be a super whizbang idea though
Every webpage they serve will be in a frame, with all the credit card info of the person who paid for the service at the top.
Ok, I made that up, but it would be a good deterence.
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You may only use your laptop if you can disable your wireless connection.
I call bs, good thing i never turn off my wireless or my cell phone.
I once asked why, and was told that they don't want you to not be able to hear any announcement that might be made during those "critical" times.
This makes sense. The airline-provided in-flight headphones can be turned off when broadcasting a message, or even have the message piped through the earphones. No such luck for a personal item blaring in someone's ears.
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Glad to see the outrageous hazard cellphones and other RF transmissions pose to airplane avionics is handily mitigated by the application of cash.
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Check the Luftansa timetable... there's only one nonstop from MUC to LAX each day, and it's on an Airbus A340.
Last year, my partner took a flight from DC to Frankfurt on Lufthansa. The were testing IP connections then, and he was able to borrow a laptop from the plane's stash to try it out. It was suitable for doing email (yahoo web based email), but not yahoo! chat, because those ports were blocked. we were able to hold a pretty good conversation via email though. Web surfing was passable.
He was told that if he had his own laptop, he could connect to the office VPN and then have unrestricted access anywhere via that connection.
Two months ago when he took the trip again, Lufthansa told him they were no longer offering that service, so he left his laptop at home...
I'm glad to see they're offering it again. Perhaps the next trip (if they offer it on the DC->Frankfurt leg) he'll take his laptop again.
I hardly see this as a "debut" given that he was using it over a year ago.
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Wouldn't 100baseT be more appropriate? A single cat5 jack in the backs of the seats, and no worry that if someone switches to 802.11g instead of 802.11b that the plane's navsystem will hiccup.
Wireless is for me sitting out in the backyard and websurfing, or walking around the worksite with my iPaq. It's not that great of a replacement for wires, it's for doing what wires never could. Duh.
Actually, wouldn't the RIAA care as well because RIAA member labels own copyright in the soundtracks?
and you've got the cheapest solution yet for calling home from mid-air.
You still don't have an electrical outlet.
Ah, but you do. In business class, at least, Lufthansa has electric outlets on every seat. And unlike many other airlines, which offer an outlet that only works with special adapters, the outlets on Luftansa just use your regular power cord and plug.
So, if I just sit back, wait for them to get their mail, sniff the password they use for email, and then use that password in an attempt to access their computer, I will probably get right in.
Not if they're running POP3 over SSL, which many ISPs require for connections from outside their network.
I'm just waiting for Qantas (crash free since...well...forever) gets this on their 747-438 Longreach crafts. They're already putting in AC and PC power outlets for business class and progressively moving them backwards to accomodate your myriad of consumer electronics. Since my wife is Australian, when we fly back and forth it'd be great to have Wi-Fi to pass the time. The first 4 hours of the flight are interesting, but somewhere around hour 12 of the 14.5 to 15 hour flight to Sydney, you really think about opening a window for entertainment value.
Cross country I can see just wanting to have some booze and relax, but after that, it'd be nice to do something constructive.
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Yeah almost all of the 30 bucks is actually going to boeing if you see boeing's pricing webpage. The airlines are just doing this to provide more services to the business users.
But your comment about BA not offering this is not true, sure lufthanasa is the first one but BA is also in line to start offering these services
It will not much of a differentiator once all the airlines start offering the service as the ISP would be the same in all the cases(Boeing).
Just so long as the guy is in front of his laptop and not looking out the window.
Do you plan to run out of the airplaine lavatory with your trousers around your ankles every time someone opens up a can of whoop ass on the n00b in the game?
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You still don't have an electrical outlet. Lets hope you have 9 hours of battery life to get your money worth!
First, I believe laptops have electrical power available. So, you just need the upgrade. But, in trying to research my answer, I found this:
ArticleSo, this is not an entirely new story. Looks like the 9/11 terrorist attack managed to stall broadband-on-aircraft by a couple of years.
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Why do I have this? I don't smoke.
I guess that means that a lamp cord is now a terrorist weapon.
This service is only provided with Boeing aircraft and only from Munich yet Lufhansa's non-stop Munich to LA service is operated by Airbus aircraft.
So obviously they are going to have to fly a Boeing alongside the Airbus (within 300metres). I can't see how they are going to cover the Boeing's costs from 10 people paying $30 each.
Maybe they could use one of those Boeing air-tankers and extend the service range to australia non-stop?
Or maybe the Boeing is a stealth flight flying in the Airbus's radar shadow? Black Boeing being met at LA by black helicopters ??
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This and the price they pay for fuel is a steal.
Basically, we subsidize the crap out of this industry.
This sounds like great a geat service (I'd pay for it) but do they provide AC plug-in so I don't have to run off battery (with the inevitable "battery low" warnings only a few hours in)? My new Pentium 4 laptop is such a pig on power that just when I'd get on a roll online, I'd end up needing to shut down already.
I know its off topic, but what crack-head marketing team keeps coming up with these stupid names?! Connexion??? WTF?! just call it "In-flight Wi-Fi" its not like anyone knows what connexion means but they are much more likely to know what in-flight wi-fi is and less likely to think your product is a pretentious piece of marketing BS. Oh and PS please stop changing fucking company names! "Warner Village" is not VUE! "Fuck-face Incorporated" is not "Punnani (tm)"
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Flown Lufthansa from SFO to Munich a few times and they really do have the worst in-flight entertainment and the worst economy class seats so this will give you something to do for the 11 hrs or so of restless discomfort. Seems very strange that they are pioneering this when the rest of their service is 4 years behind Virgin and BA.
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According to this Japanese article reporting on a Mitsubishi R&D event back that I translated back in February, Mitsubishi's dish can download at 20Mbps and 1Mbps.
There's a couple assumptions that go along with my statement though - first of all, this assumes Lufthansa is actually using the Mitsubishi dish for the Connexion service. It also assumes that the actual connection speed is going to be the same as the experimental connection speed, because that's the only figures Mitsubishi provided. Either way, 20Mbps for a plane full of people probably won't be too fast. And I'm sure the pilot won't hesitate to turn it off if there are conditions in which the plane may need power redirected to other systems.
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Since the battery life in laptops is typically far shorter than the average planeflight I have to wonder how far off this is. Battery life is currently the largest obstacle for me when I try to work in transit, and even in power saving mode the laptop won't last through a typical flight. Is such a thing as AC power even feasible?
About their "Airport" wireless accessories... I bet their marketing department would love that..
Since this is time spent out of the office you have no obligation to be available. Same as if you were telecommuting and got a phonecall after business hours--you're free to tell them to call you tomorrow. It's the belief that ease of communications fosters an obligation to be available that causes problems, not the means of communication themselves.
Personally, I'm mostly interested in this because it offers a greater range of entertainment options. You won't miss a single Slashdot story! Play web games. Send stupid "hey I'm in an airplane" email to friends. Play Unreal Tournament online. Listen to a Shoutcast radio station while you write limericks, etc.
...And only IF they allow VPN traffic to go through.
Permit me to expand on this. While several libraries, bookstore/coffee places, and even a few hotels have installed WAPs for the benefit of their patrons, and said WAPs work perfectly well for generic web surfing, I've yet to find a single one that allows VPN traffic to pass through.
This makes no sense whatsoever to me. What good is a wireless LAN connection if you can't use it to attach to your home or office LAN via secure tunnel?
When queried about the outright blocking of VPN traffic, the folks at the library gave some nebulous excuse about "security issues" that prevented them from offering the feature, but that they expected to have it available "within a year or so." Considering that, at least for PPTP, all one has to do is open a bidirectional path for port 1723 on the firewall, this excuse seems weak at best.
As for Borders, finding anyone who even knows anything about the WAP beyond "Yes, it's available, how much time would you like to purchase?" is hopeless.
With that in mind: I would be VERY interested in hearing from anyone who happens to take advantage of this feature on a Lufthansa flight AND is able to link to their home LAN via a VPN tunnel through it.
I would also be interested in hearing from those who have tried using VPN through other public WAPs in their area, and what kind of success (or failure) you've had.
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Are they going to block or restrict anything (any specific ports?)
I'm actually a little disappointed that the Boeing Connexion system is a Wi-Fi wireless connection.
Given that most modern laptops have RJ45 connectors for hardwired Ethernet connections, I was hoping that the Lufthansa planes will use RJ45 connectors for the Connexion setup--maybe offer a 1-2 feet long Category 5 cable.
The cost is set at $30 for the entire flight or $10 for 30 minutes."
Its hard to know which will expire first, my wallet or my Battery.
How does one open a lap top in those cramped seats anyway?
The guy in front decides to recline and your screen needs replacement. The only defense is to recline first. Ok troups, back to front reclining ONLY. And don't even THINK about getting up to go to the head.
You'r now free to move around the internet.
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HAHAHA
It's hilarious that people ACTUALLY thought I'm doing this...
Now it IS feasable....
I suppose you could do 1) Internal modem and then try to use other modems via USB...but how would you power them?....I thought I'd get a "funny" rating!
On a serious note.... I HAVE done PPP multilink using a uunet account at home when I moved into a new house and was waiting on the installation of my cable modem. I bound three phone lines together.
Latency sucked!
Often it took multiple tries because each modem had to be connected to a modem bank that was on the same router. AND I was charged triple...a connect time for each modem connected.
Was it worth it...probably not...was it cool to see it work. Yep!
That's what I'm saying.
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that's a totally irrelevant comparison
First, I am not sure at all how operating systems are relavant.
Second I am comparing the cost of traveling across the country now to a long time ago. I am pointing out that it got cheaper. Of course it was more expensive to make an OS 50 years ago. Of course it was more expensive to get across the country. My point is that this guy is complaining that not only should they get him across the country for less they should give him all sorts of free crap along with it. Like the seat, the free drink, and the *cough* security *cough*, aren't enough free stuff. Not to mention magazines to read, free pillows and blankets and the occasional cute flight attendant to enjoy along the way. Sheesh!
No thats not enough we need free Internet access on our planes too.
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It took me forever to figure out what the hell you were talking about, but that's funny stuff.
I tried for 5 years to come up with a clever sig...only to realize that I am not clever.
This would drive them crazy.. you start your "crime" in the EU, then fly over greenland, and canada and then finally the US....
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I think you and I are making the same point here.
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