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Swedes Dominate Counter-Strike Championship
fluor2 writes "'Guys, somebody stepped on a switch. I'm not kidding; someone actually stepped on a switch and unplugged our network!'
These are not the words one would like to hear from one of the staff in the middle of Cyberathlete Professional League (CPL) Extreme World Championships $100,000 Counter-Strike finals. But it happened. Finally, after the game was restarted, Team Eyeballers (Sweden) is the new CPL CS Champion over Schroet Kommando (also Sweden), winning (7-5;6-0)." Update: 08/02 01:06 GMT by S : There's a more detailed report over at Gotfrag.
I've not followed the 'pro gaming' scene for quite some time, and it never ceases to amaze me how the same players dominate the leagues no matter what game is being played.
Are these guys being recruited by their governments to be counter terrorist forces?
After winning the competition, the members of Team Eyeballers were overheard saying "borkborkbork!"
Asked about the condition of the dedicated game server, another of the team members reportedly replied "b0rked!"
"Quebecer" isn't French. "Québécois" is. The tongue troopers are coming to your place of residence right now.
English is easier said than done.
Well, athletic ability is not only restricted to your legs, arms and body. A person with fast reflexes, good hand-eye coordination, quick thinking and strong concentration can be considered as "athletic" too. There is as much sport in Cybergaming as there is in Football or any other conventional sport game.
The Swedes won ?
= tournam ents
Did somebody forget to invite the South Koreans ?
On a more serious note.. what's with the link ? It points to a way too generic site.
http://www.thecpl.com/extreme/index2.php?p
That's where the actual event information is.
...all your base are belong to sweden
Cyberathlete, eh? Are there any Swedish Universities giving out Cyberathletics scholarships?
These guys are great at fighting terrorism in a game that has almost no relation to real life. Counter strike tactics would get them killed very quickly in real life (they die in the game after all, only it doesn't matter so much).
Yeah installing an aimbot is uber-athletic, right. And also 31337!!
My other car is first.
Terrorize This!
tongue troopers
I don't know whether to fear or be excited about that notion...
Replace "athlete" with "skilled", and I'll agree with title. But cyberathlete? Please wake up and smell reality. Athlete involves some semblance of physical fitness.
P.S. Not breaking a sweat while you reach for the Cheetos doesn't make you an athlete.
When it comes these championship caliber gamers, is there any particular areas in which these folks excel? Do they have extrordinary IQs? Uber fast reaction times? Xtreme mouse-eye coordination? Do they have better hardware, are they great mentalists, or do they just spend way too much time playing video games?
In the end I'm sure its probably a combination of more than one trait, but I'm curious if any of them are outstanding in other arenas as well. (i.e. can make a Big Mac like nobody's business)
Interesting. You imply cyberatheletes aren't real atheletes, yet in your .sig you think that third party Presidential candidates are real candidates.
that way other games are still bearable ... :)
OWN3D sorry i dislike cs :/
I seriously doubt any of the CPL players were using bots, considering a) aimbots are notoriously easy to detect b) point a is even more true when there is a judge standing right behind you.
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Crudely Drawn Games
Does anybody know if there's movies from the competition? I'm especially interested in in-game clips.
I'm sure 100mbit broadband for around US$36 a month makes their life a little easier...
m =3 02
http://www.bredband.com/se/content.jsp?t=2&s=3&
(295 SEK = $36)
Lucky sods.
French tongue troopers, so don't worry, we will surrender soon ...
As long as you accept that "Game" is a perfect synonym of "Sport", then you can call them athletes. Now to wait for the day when "Chutes and Ladders" becomes an Olympic event.
common sense: noun
What those who are ignorant of the subject matter think; usually wrong.
All the "cyberathlete" bullshit is about half of what drove me away from CS (and HL mods in general). I'm sure its great to make money playing games, but "esports" and "cyberathletes", give me a break. The CS community needs to wake up, and grow up.
Isnt it true that every sweede must serve in the military for some length of time? Might explain why they are better at military games...
What a beginner's mistake: Allowing a physical attack to unplug the network.
They should have a Self defending network
Because UT2004 is just run, gun, timing and no thinking?
So I guess instead of being 0wn3d their opponents are borked.
Bork bork bork!
wrong story numbnuts
Not the first time... and certainly not the last ;)
Some interesting facts about the HLTV network used to broadcast the final. HLTV is what we in the HL community use to spectate games live much like GTV for quake.
There were 35000 spectators watching the finals. The HLTV network had over 180000 spectator slots spread over more than 700 proxies worldwide.
I doubt it. Their aim is probably around the same as yours. And they would win because you're a lamer and they're not.
Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. -Anonymous
Hehe.
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I guess Kay-Becker is right out? Or the infamous Preston Manning Kwee-Becker?
As for the 'tongue troopers', the only thing they can do if they come to my place of residence (in which they have no jurisdiction) is to swab my loo.
Pardon my off colour comment, but I despise the Quebec Language Gestapo...
-- Mal: "Well they tell you: never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious."
Yeah, but professional atheletes use steroids and there are judges right there too. Whats to say that the aimbot isn't just rather covert. It only helps aim if you're very close. 83% of the time. And it runs in the background completely undetectable (unless you run `ps aux | grep aimbot` or something).
Anyway, I'm sure they didn't use aimbots, but it's not out of the question.
My other car is first.
Yes, obviously the government would recruit the Ghost Recon players since that's a game that forces you to not run around, to not hop around, and to use careful tactics. Note: The prior paragraph was written with tongue firmly in cheek. I know members of the SF community (and I don't mean sci-fi) and the whole idea of recruiting out of shape (or even in shape) computer gamers for the type of work various Special Operations units do is rather hilarious. They lack the discipline, training, probably basic physical and dispositional requirements, and they may not have the required social skills. And there is a heck of a difference between blowing up someeone else in a video game and having to hold your buddy's hand while he bleeds out from a mine strike or bullet wound. :(
The idea is silly enough to have been a Monty Python skit....
-- Mal: "Well they tell you: never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious."
If curling and table tennis are olympic sports, why not Counter Strike?
pleese they must use computers provide by thecpl for the competion, they get about 5 minutes to set up the config, you get no disks.
I just got back from watching the finals at the CPL, and team EYE was ahead 2 to 0, and they were showing off with some cool jump-on-top-of-each-other-to-get-to-higher-places moves, and then all the computers simultaneously crashed, on live TV and radio, into a "Net Packet Error."
A loud mixture of booing and laughter erupted from the crowd, and several anxious looking guys ran up to the computers to figure out what happened.
About five minutes later, the founder of the CPL gets on the PA system and says that the round will be restarted, and the scores will be reset to zero-zero. There was more booing, and some team EYE member made snide comments about the CPL over team-chat.
The founder then gets back on and says "the press is no longer aloud on the stage. The reason for the earlier crash was that a cameraman stepped on a router and actually unplugged it."
I'd hate to be that cameraman. Fortunately, team EYE won anyway (although the other team [team SK] scored 3 times before team EYE got back into their game.)
Hobby seems to fit more then an actual job; since only very few in the many thousands of players across the world actually sees any money from this stuff.
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
I'm not surprised to see Swedes winning online gaming competitions. In the online gaming I've done, the Scandinavians are always among the elite players. They're clever, fun, and think things through.
I put it down to the fish they eat. Fish is high in omega 3 fats. These fats greatly enhance brain development. A person who consumes large amounts of omega 3 will think faster and concentrate better than a person who doesn't.
For the love of god, stop them before they dominate Everquest too!
The military does use games similar to GR, TacOps, etc to help their special forces with tactics and such. But yea, these guys are already SF material, they're not geeky kids to begin with.
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
And that's different because...?
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
I'm going to be a sucker to take on your sig as well.
If nader wouldn't have been an option in the last election, Gore would have been president. Instead, Bush was. Did the country move in the direction you wanted it to?
Politics is all about compromise. No Kerry isn't the ideal candidate, but he's a lot better than Bush.
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
Sort of like a group lobying to get poker made an olympic sport? Bad thing is that they aren't kidding.
Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
" Yeah, but professional atheletes use steroids..."
You haven't had Code Red yet have you?
Wow, you are really reaching to support your irrational hatred of pro-gamers.
Driving a race car is considered a sport, sitting turning a wheel, pushing pedals and controls on a steering wheel. The healthier you are and the better your physical condition translates into faster reaction time. Plenty of times playing a fast high level action 3D shooter game in competition I have broken out in a sweat while the adrenalin is flowing.
Does it go on forever?
um... they dont have the option to install anything ont he computer they are playing on, at cpl everything is supplied for you. To cheat, they woudl have to pay off a bunch of judges basically to do it for them
this is one of the biggest issues I have with CS players. when I ask what command your alt-fire is, I get "Right-Click" from 99% of the people. CS people have no FUCKING CLUE what the hell a bind is, or even scripting for that matter (you know, when one button can do 4 functions in order and cycle them over and over again).
/rant
These kids don't have a fucking clue what they're doing and bitch and moan when they get owned by a legit skilled player.
"0mfg n00b h4x0r, gtf0 teh s3rv3r" - is not a way to validate your poor skill.
good god man, learn what the command is and how to set a bind in the console on the fly if you need to. here's a bit of a clue:
bind space +jump
bind home
-zoloto
Try playing with a team that has strategies and tactics. If you don't play smart in UT2004, that's your own fault, not the game's.
but then I looked at the title--"Extreme World Championships"?
I looked deep into myself, seeing my suburban American white-bred, khaki-pants wearing, '84 Subaru-driving middle class lifestyle, and realised, that no, I couldn't be a part of it all. I'm just not "extreme" enough.
Pity when you look at it.
</sarcasm>
"[T]he single essential element on which all discoveries will be dependent is human freedom." -- Barry Goldwater
"...and in other news, a local cameraman was found dead today, killed by a single shot to the head from a high-powered rifle. A police spokesman stated that a possible suspect was seen jumping off of a wooden crate and hopping away at high speed. No arrests have been made."
k.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
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someone must have gone and stepped on their hub too, poor guys are going to be in their 100 grand just for the bandwidth bill..
At least the war on the environment is going well
If you pay someone $50,000 and you win $100,000 you come out ahead.
My other car is first.
Did they make record copies of the games? I understand the data can be captured for replay, right? I'd like to ghost around and watch the matches.
I swear I never even read the Counterstrike story never mind replied to it =)
i mean really. I haven't touched counterstrike in years. move on guys, move on.
Do people call each other by their real names or their CS nicknames at these things?
This is coming from a person who's only game alias is FUCKUCUNTS
Driving a race car is considered a sport, sitting turning a wheel, pushing pedals and controls on a steering wheel.
Do you know what g-forces are?
come on, let's face it..they live in Sweden.
CS doesnt take much skill, jump and shoot and you get a head shot. it takes some practice to master, but anyone can do it. even Bjorker's.
The Swedes also dominate in Quake (i.e. Quakeworld). I think their entire country is wired with high quality inexpensive broadband. Hence they all get round-the-clock LAN practice, which is great for training for competitions that are usually held on LANs.
in other news, Doom 3 leaks out.
www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56202
How else would a neutral country indulge its desire to shoot stuff?
Hence the prefix cyber-, which implies a different meaning than the word athlete. Similar to the way psychologists and parapsychologists talk two completely different dialects of nonsense.
Since nobody answering has bothered to respond factually to the question, I'll do:
Every male is drafted around age 18, after high school but before college. However, not all are selected to actually do military service - I think the numbers are down to about 30-35% at this point.
And I have to disagree strongly as to whether it teaches a "sense a weaponry". It doesn't. It does, however, teach how to think creatively in a group to solve an immediate problem.
(The American military, by comparison, considers its chain of command as holy. The Scandinavian militaries rely a lot more on the intelligence of the individual soldier.)
/ CrystalFalcon
(15 months of geeking around with military-grade radio hardware ain't that bad)
Do you know what g-forces are?
Expensive joystick?
Coming from the best player in Tron 2.0, yes, all of the above although my machine is borderline. Dell Inspiron 8200.
- IP
It's an Arctic Warfare Super Magnum, not an Arctic Warfare Police. get it right. AWSM not AWP.
Not a sentence!
When you get good, aimbots hurt your score, rather than help it. Often there are multiple targets, and aimbots go for the closest, not the one aiming at you. While this can be the same, the closest is often the guy that runs past you, instead of that sniper you were aiming at a second ago, and about to shoot.
Not a sentence!
Three words: Bowling and Golf.
warning: This post is likely to contain gobs of dripping sarcasm. Consume at your own risk.
I will personally beat up the first person who cracks a "Jaaaaa"-joke with a 2x4... I'm not kidding! /pseud0, proud swede (yeah yeah... contradictory blah blah)
/John Sjolander, project manager Contribio
I agree.
Personally I don't see an activity as an athletic if you can put on weight while doing it.
right, because real candidates raise enough campaign money to advertise, which makes them real candidates.
maybe one day we will vote for candidates based upon their qualifications, not how famous they are. Arnold comes to mind. and these will be the real candidates you speak of.
I wonder how much of this may be due to the Swedes (and other Europeans) having more leisure time. In Sweden, they get a mandated 32 days of vacation a year, as part of their Social Democratic welfare state. In the USA, there is NO mandated vacation. Often you are lucky to get your 2 weeks. For us techies, it may also be problematic whether we get to use it!
The CPL has threatened large IRC networks with legal action if they didn't close any channels that contained "CPL", claiming they violated international trademarks they had registered. Unsurprisingly, there are hundreds of unofficial channels used by fans of the CPL which the CPL couldn't moderate (they also had far more users in them than the CPL's own official channels). One large IRC network eventually refused to comply and The CPL left it, then proceeding to block all access to it from their events. Is this the sort of gaming organisation you want to associate with?
That game was dull when it first came out let alone in 2004.
Speaking of.....
A little piece of Triva concernign Famous politicians......
Ronald Regan won his first presidancy with more electoral college votes then any other president prior to him and still more than any other president to date.
Fame = Votes.
Welcome to The USA.
See what happens when you start calling golf a sport? Next thing you know every Comic Book Guy in the world is calling himself a "cyberathlete".
Where's the link to the guys who want Starcraft in the Olympics?
We need to invest in junior high bullies to stop this rampant nerdism. I believe the bullies are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Maybe a bully outreach center for after school.
I just came back from the CPL and met with many of the top players. One thing I've noticed is that alot of the top players are actaully quite accomplished athletes. Many of the swedish players are soccer players. And they are thin but well built. I've noticed that I play fps's better if I am regularly exercising. I don't want to go into any deep psyho-analysis but I think the whole mental attidude many athletes develop, such as being determined to win,focused, relaxed, and confident, will bleed off into other things like video games.
I can see how these people can get away with being called a "cyberathlete" because they have to focus, train hard, have good reactions and hand-eye coordination.
I will have to admit though, there were some really pale, fat, and unhealthy players there that manage to hang with the cream of the crop.
Abaddon: An Xbox 360 Indie game
Fame = Votes.
Welcome to The USA.
Democracy and populism isn't all fun and games, huh?
peoples' minds are getting lazy..