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China Launches New Search Engine
stupidfoo writes "With all those nasty pro-democracy websites that Google keeps turning up, what's a communist country supposed to do? Well, create their own search engine of course! According to the AP, 'Bill Clinton on Monday helped launch a new Internet search company backed by the Chinese government which says its technology uses artificial intelligence to produce better results than Google Inc.' Accoona Corp. was one of the Chinese companies that donated an 'undisclosed amount' to the recently opened Clinton Library. Using the search engine from inside the US doesn't show any noticeable amount of censorship, but it also doesn't show how it's anywhere near the level of Google."
Kathy Feaganes Allen is the lady from Florida who ran down a couple of teenagers for letting their golf ball hit her SUV. Compelling story, something that I really want to know about.
No mention of it on Accoona at all, plenty on Google.
'Nuff said.
M
dbarbour.com is my personal website. Google has it ranked on the first page when you query my name, Dustin Barbour. Accoona doesn't even know it exists.
That's all the convincing I need to stay with Google.
What is your penile percentile?
Knee Pads
Intern Job Listings
Porn
Cigars
Directions to the Clinton Library and Massage Parlor in Little Rock
Rose Law Firm Records
Cattle Future Stock Quotes
Invent Sovet Russia jokes, of course.
"All you have to do is be fragile and grateful. So stay the underdog." Chuck Palahniuk, Choke
"Down with China!"
Why should we listen to a politician with regards to the search engine we use?
Is your terror cell living in terror? Is your safe-house not so safe? If so, read the New York Times, the jihad journal.
Interesting to look for "Tiananmen Square", it doesn't seem to be completely banned. Or maybe the filter only comes into effect if you're behind the Great Firewall of China?
How much of the difference in quality results has to do with the fact that Google has a huge head start in indexing the web? Maybe Acoona's results will improve over time?
We slashdotted China!
We bastards!
But only an hour later, I was hungry for subversion again.
free tibet still gets plenty of hits....
even falun gong gets plenty of hits back.
Once I get off work im gonna have to anonymous proxy inside china and try it.
It not only dispenses only happy news articles about China, it also makes sure that you only see articles that are appropriate.
If you are found searching for inappropriate terms, you will be visited by a reeducation specialist who will diagnose your condition and recommend appropriate treatment.
This is for your own protection. Only people that are ill would be interested in things that are not good for them. Thus, by tracking people with this illness and fixing them, we are making a better China!
Guess he is just thanking the Chinese for all of those funds he rec'd, democracy be damned.
Que Pasa?
Go China!
I think this means that it still needs some work.
All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be
According to a Chinese government spokesperson, "Accoona is a more efficient search engine because while Google uses automated system applications to crawl the Internet and add to their databse, we have assigned 481.2 million Chinese citizens the task of manually surfing the Internet and cataloging every site by hand. They work faster and far cheaper than Google's automated software."
There you have it.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Hmmm......Internal Server Error
Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.accoona.com Port 80
What did I get? I got a bunch of ads for game retailers, not reviews or fan sites showing up at the top of the list. It sucks, but what should I have expected from China and Bill Clinton?
Submitting your site for indexing requires you to send them an email with the URL. I'm wary about sending my email address to an unknown chinese company. No thanks.
Also, they have a lot of unnecessary html in their layout. Are they not expecting any traffic?
Standards Schmandards
This is obviously part of China's oppressive "great firewall of China". Its disappointing to see Clinton involved in something like this. While I know he made it a point in his administration to maintain good relations with China, this kind of encouragement of their censorship activities shouldn't happen.
Damn - why's he gotta keep smearing my old '90s rose-coloured-glasses?
This isn't too surprising. Bill Clinton sold China our multi-stage missile technology for satellite launching. China is using this to build ICBMs to target the western United States. (And have since threatened to hit Los Angeles with a nuclear warhead if we ever interfere in regards to our ally Taiwan.) This was after he received numerous under the table donations for his campaign from the Chinese government and financiers. After he sold out our national security to the Chinese for some campaign donations, giving the Chinese a national search engine is no big deal.
Hrmm, doesn't look like a particularly good search engine to me. I searched on it for "Linux" just to see what it would churn up and the first hit was a link to microsoft.com. All the search results appear to be "Sponsored Links"...
George Wright
I'm sorry, I just wanted to re-read that sentence in all its glory. And to pound my head on the desk every fourth or fifth word. I've discovered that the mental imagery starts to look more coherent if you soak the brain in at least three beers' worth of alcohol before applying the blunt force trauma.
On the bright side, if Fark ever holds a "Photoshop this Salvador Dali Masterpiece" contest, that sentence is gonna make me a surefire winner.
Accoona Matata?
Karma: Segmentation fault (tried to dereference a null post)
artificial intelligence to produce better results than Google
I'd call this "artificial intelligence" the Comunist Party and the "better results" controled flow of information...
Nice to see a democrat suportful of free speech.
I don't feel like it...
...claiming this is a dirty trick of Karl Rove?
Well, that explains why Bill Clinton is behind it. Slick Willy will do anything to advance the Republican agenda.
(Psst, that was me being sarcastic.)
God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
come from the onion web site?
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
I am a little cynical here but
AI + stupid users = more stupid users
In the future war will be waged with information and education making AI do most of the work for you in lets say research is like a double wedged sword. Lets see how this will evolve.. I hope google gets in gear and wacking this new search engine. Nice to see good competition
The first thing that I noticed was that when you go to the page, the cursor does not have focus in the search field.
o l= mc&qt=beijing+tiananmen+student+uprising&accoona+s ubmit=Accoona+Search
Searching for "tiananmen student uprising" yeilded no information on that event.
http://accoona.com/search?charset=utf-8&la=en&c
The site cannot handle traffic like Google!
DISCLAIMER:
I don't believe what I write, and neither should you.
From the looks of it, there is nothing really new. It feels kind of like the yahoo search, and not as friendly. With my test searches, I found it difficult initially to seperate the sponsored links from the real ones, since they use a light grey text on a white background to seperate them.
Well, the first shot has been fired in the first "cyber-war."
Who thought that China would be the victim? Who though slashdot would be the aggressor?
-Peter
Maybe there is something to this.
A search for tiananmen square on Accoona reveals mostly "Travel China" sites, although it does show the National Association for Democracy page as the 11th hit.
A search for tiananmen square on Google finds sites like "student protests", "history declassified" and the wikipedia page.
Hmmm, maybe there is something to this conspiracy theory.
Whats up with condemning it just because its from China (instead of just pointing out its crappy quality)? Oh yes, I forgot, this is Slashdot, the epitome of American geekhood, all things communist must be evil. Yes, that's right, mod me down - that wont be censorship, that'll be just democracy.
I have been throwing some very general queries of things I am interested in. Google returns results with information, acoona search tends to return results for where you can buy something.
We already have those search engines, they are prolific and generally suck.
I used "Battletech" and "Half Life" as searches, you can see the massive difference.
Google returns with classicbattletech.com, and patrics battletech archive. Though it does return fasa.com, though this actually shows the strength of google, since fasa is the one that has/had rights to battletech, linking a site called fasa.com is not bad.
Half life... well try it yourself, the google search comes up with planethalflife, the official home page, etc. etc..
Acoona? No real good from it.
Perhaps when they say "better" results than google, they mean "better" in the term that someone might better sell a product?
If you don't vote, you don't matter, so don't waste your time telling me your opinion
but i tried a google search on "freedom": it gave 52,000,000 results, and my search took 0,07 seconds. but accoona takes over a minute and gives absolutely no results. go figure.
Doesn't show President Bush's Website, Michael Moore Website or Jimmy Carters Website. Come on now, what type of search engine doesn't allow you to spam the results.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
Looks like Clinton really doesn't want to make our bankers mad.
Does anyone else find it weird that searching up 'google' comes up with nothing useful on Accoona? Given that Google is one of the most popular sites on the web and it's chief competitor, I find this very suspicious. Either the engine is completely useless or we're definitely seeing censorship at work. The Chinese would have to be idiots to think this is a "real" search engine.
Accoona is a horrible name imo. It doesn't sound too catchy, and the double c's, and o's don't appear too user friendly. With places like google, and yahoo, it's alot easier to spell, and type in.
Just for fun, I decided to search on flaws of communism, just before Accoona got slashdotted. Very few, if any, of the search results mentioned "flaws" in the title or summary, and the third or fourth result was actually a communist party homepage. Google, on the other hand, produces relevant documents right off the bat, in America, at least. (Sorry for the imprecision, I closed the window before deciding to post this, and couldn't get in to research.)
Japan is west of Seattle.
Perhaps you weren't aware of the fact that everywhere is west of somewhere.
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
You search for democracy,
and engine finds you.
Accoona!
"Pawning the Filthy
Web since 2004"
[ ] [Search]
(c)2004 Accoona Corp.
Searching 8,058,044,651 web pages
Censoring 8,058,044,651 web pages
The kind of engine that searches YOU...
you know, in Communist China
You can't handle the truth.
A case of "Artificial Intelligence Meets Natural Stupidity".
McDermott, D. Artificial Intelligence Meets Natural Stupidity.
In Mind Design: Philosophy, Psychology, Artificial Intelligence (ed. J. Haugeland).
Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 1981.
CC.
TaijiQuan (Huang, 5 loosenings)
The censorship is so good I can't get any results from it at all. At least they can be shure they got all the "bad" sites.
Search for "Democracy" it returns: Nothing to see here more right along.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
I'm sure "better results" refers to any results that do not threaten or embarass the current power structure.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Bill Justen, West Memphis, Tenn.:
Pretty good, I guess. But my feeling is, if you're going to sell cigars in the gift shop, you should be able to smoke them, too. I bought a pretty pricey smoke and wanted to enjoy it as I strolled along the Avenue of the Stars, and I was told in no uncertain terms that smoking was not permitted. When I asked why cigars are sold in the gift shop, I was told that these cigars aren't "the smoking kind." Am I missing something? P.S.: The Sharon Stone robot figure in the Hollywood Atrium is busted.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
The first result is something called "MirrorDot"...
I searched Slashdot for references on MirrorDot but none returned.
What is this thing?
The Chinese apparently want a site with "no worries"
(Yes, I know, it's spelled wrong. I don't care)
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Chinese government which says its technology uses artificial intelligence to produce better results than Google
Perhaps they focused so much on "better than Google" that they forget to load-test it? AI software is not known for speed. Right now it is probably thinking:
"Hmmmm. 8000% more requests than I can handle? Should I lock up? Just process the first one? Let's check the rules database. Wup, that's flooded also. This flow-chart from Bob may offer a clue. It has heuristics prepared by somebody in a similar situation. Okay, it says, "call Mom". Okay.....what? I have no Mom? Hmmmm. Now why don't I have a Mom? Let's go research that....."
Table-ized A.I.
The Chinese government was one of SEVERAL large investors. Not the only investor as the submittor tried to frame it. This search engine isn't some sort of special anti-democracy device whose sole purpose is to oppress the Chinese people. If you think Clinton was anti-democratic then you must be posting from Cananda right now considering the current administrations policies.
If we are going to start bashing everyone who has anything to do with making or receiving money from the Chinese government then there are going to be a hell of a lot of Neocon's on the list as well.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
This should signal google to immediately remove all of it censorship in China. They tried to do some minimal censorship but if that wasn't enough, why not just drop out entirely and put up a non-offensive message letting the chinese people know what they're missing. If that gets blocked too, so be it. I've talked to a few students from China in the US and they say that the public apathy over censorship is downright frightening. If your content is being censored, put up a message and withhold it all. Nothing they can do about that.
In China, the search engine owns You!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
My first impression is that it is using too many on-page factors (keyword density, etc) to rank sites, and too little off-site factors (incoming links, etc). This is a good thing for marketers as it makes SEO much easier.
If you ever wondered what clinton really thought of human rights..this should remove all doubt. where is the media outcry?
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
I don't know about submitting a site it looks more like a "give us your working email address so we can spam you even more".
Who in their right mind developes a web application where the form submission is via email.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
Using the search engine from inside the US doesn't show any noticeable amount of censorship
Have you actually tried searching for "democracy in china" on both that accoona thing and google? I'd say that _does_ show censorship.
Yea, when I search for my name with quotes it finds my page on the first non ad hit. When I search without it just finds my last name on a bunch of pages. that's .. useful. Google returns my homepage as the #1 hit for both and I don't have to scroll to see it.
Wake me when this becomes something good.
"Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
First search result for 'linux' is microsoft.com
http://accoona.com/search?col=mc&qt=linux
those articles are simply from irresponsible reporters, there are too many similar ones say they are better than this or that, without basic knowledge of what it is.
there have been many "search engine" in china, I just dont think any of them really work that well.
This is not true.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Accoona shows a lot of tourist-related information on Tibet and pro-Chinese links on Tibet, that considers Tibet as any another region inside China.
Google, in the other hand, shows a lot of pages related to the movement to free Tibet from Chinese domination. Note the link to the Tibetan Government in Exile's website, which ranked #3 in Google. Also, note that the #3 match in Accoona (under "sponsored links"), shows the Chinese government's page on Tibet.
Isn't this undeniable proof that Accoona's filtering works?
Personally I prefer REAL intelligence of Google to the ARTIFICIAL intelligence of the Chinese masters.
So long as they have that list of lame "sponsored links" (searching "mx records" brought up ebay trying to sell me music) above the real results, they're going to fail.
And somebody forgot to specify a background colour for the front page -- it's a lovely default grey with the logo in a white box on my screen.
I like how the first result for a simple search of 'linux' returns a (probably biased) comparison between Linux and Windows, hosted by www.microsoft.com.
o l= mc&qt=linux&accoona+submit=Accoona+Search
OH, and the link is broken to boot!
I think I'll keep using google, thanks.
http://accoona.com/search?charset=utf-8&la=en&c
"Obscenity is the crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker." - cloak42
Read this
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
the first thing I ever search for in a new engine is "google".
:/
I think it's a pretty good test of the honesty of the engine.
try it with this one
Hey! Aren't you the guy who told me that the Americans were not in Baghdad, and that the brave resistance had repelled the infidels?
I'm afraid I can no longer consider you a credible source of information.
There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
"Accoona takes its name from the Swahili phrase, "accoona matata," for "no worries," popularized by Disney's film, "The Lion King." "
you gotta be classy when you associate your companies name with lion kind.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
This isn't too surprising. Bill Clinton sold China our multi-stage missile technology for satellite launching. China is using this to build ICBMs to target the western United States.
The claim is perhaps debatable, but after all the accusations about it (I too remember all the hubbub about it years ago), Clinton would have been wise to stear clear of any business dealings related to the Chinese government. It does not "look good". It would be like doing business with Monica's family. Let it be, Bill.
Table-ized A.I.
Compare a google search for "Chinese Human Rights Violations" to the Accoona one.
For the lazy:
Google
Accoona
Granted, the Accoona one has relavent results... but I would say at the very least, google's results are more appropriate to my search -- at worst one would suggest that "Using the search engine from inside the US doesn't show any noticeable amount of censorship" may in fact be false (although I'm not prepared to say that Accoona is censored).
Just one interesting search...
-.-- -.-- --..
One fish / Two fish / Red fish / Blue fish
ShyaOS - Think Differently!
Do a search for "linux" on google and on accoona.
Other searches provided just as useless results.
Linux on google:
www.linux.org/
www.linux.com/
www.redhat.com/
www.kernel.org/
www.debian.org/
www.linuxjourn
www.linux-mandrake.com/
www.linux-laptop
www.linuxtoday.com/
www.gentoo.org/
Linux on accoona:
http://software-linux.jovencitas-cachondas.org/
http://software-for-linux.jovencitas-cachondas.o
http://programas-para-linux.jovencitas-cachond
http://linux-software.jovencitas-cachondas.o
http://programas-en-linux.jovencitas-cachonda
http://linux.ittoolbox.com/
http://ie.mojolin
http://zh.mojolin.com/
http://uk.mojolin.c
http://au.mojolin.com/
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
From the site
How to SuperTarget your search
Is this a copyright infringement on Super Target? And even if it isn't...does anyone else think this is the dumbest name ever? Really, I'm not sure why I would want to "SuperTarget" my search.
I tried for 5 years to come up with a clever sig...only to realize that I am not clever.
The phrase is actually 'hakuna matata', and while it means much the same as no worries, I've never heard 'matata' actually translated as worries. It's more usually problems, or troubles.
A bit more useless/interesting information:
Simba, is of course, lion.
Rafiki is friend.
In 'The Lion King 2' Scar's son is called Kovu, swahili for scar.
An anagram of Simba, msiba, translates as disaster/calamity/accident!
China's ICBMs
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
It's considered news because it is something people are interested in hearing about. News outlets are interested in stuff that will get people to consume their content.
Why not create an open-source-based or wikipedia-like search engine that displays sites blocked by China? That would be a great and embarassing way to draw attention to censorship.
Table-ized A.I.
Accoona has the mathematical symbol for infinity instead of "oo" - that already makes it bigger than Google, which is only 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0, considerably less than an infinite amount!
--LWM
Better results than Google? You know, I can find an awful lot of pr0n and anti-Chinese propaganda through Google. Doubt they can top that.
- IP
I'm no communist, but I hate seeing the debate muddied like this. Just to be clear, communism shouldn't be conflated with totalitarianism, just as capitalism shouldn't be conflated with liberty. China demonstrates that well; for most of the past half-century it was basically communist and totalitarian; now it is rapidly moving towards capitalism, but the totalitarianism shows few signs of abating, unfortunately.
You're a suburbanite.
those articles are simply from irresponsible reporters
:-)
You mean they just make up stuff about being better than Google and using AI? That is rather extreme spin. I didn't know SCO had reporters in China
Table-ized A.I.
China demonstrates that well; for most of the past half-century it was basically communist and totalitarian; now it is rapidly moving towards capitalism, but the totalitarianism shows few signs of abating, unfortunately.
Looks like they're proving that capitalism, not democracy, is the source of prosperity.
We need to repeal the 22nd ammendment (term limits) so Bush and Clinton can run against each other in 2008. Can you imagine the "nukuler" fallout from the race?
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
As someone downthread mentioned, the actual quote is In the end you care more about Los Angeles than you do about Taipei. which comes with a very different posture than we'll nuke LA if you help Taiwan. What they're saying is that if we interfer in a mainland attack on Taiwan, they'll send some nukes over our way.
Would they do it? I'm not sure. What they've done with the policy, however, is akin to what we did with the Soviets during the cold war. They've established standard operating procedure and announced them publicly (our CW one was something to the effect of "if you roll tanks outside of the COMECON or Warsaw Pact, they get nuked"), and have placed the imperitus for security on the US. Strategically, not a bad move.
Would they loft a few nukes if we interveened in their efforts to retake Taiwan? I think they probably would. If we entered the fray, we would win (thanks mainly to our friend Aegis). This would be quite the affront to several thousand years of Chinese pride, being beaten by this upstart 200-year old state. So in response, they'd win they only way they can - launching on LA and the west coast.
Could they hit something? I think so. The most recently developed Russian nukes could probably beat our "missle shield" assuming it works, as the warheads are essentially cruise missles (that get delivered on an ICBM). Common knowledge is that they've allready started seling these to the Chinese. I suspect enough of them would get through to make a difference.
The other thing to remember is that in nuclear war, China considers its population to be much less significant than we do. There's over a billion of them, and their country is bigger - they can deal with 300 million deaths.
Cue The Sun...
The results are provided by Overture. Just look at the links and compare a few queries.
Just did a catch all search for "Chinese Government Censorship" A whopping 44000 results showed up with hardly controversial topics. The same search on google revealed 222000 results with some pretty striking headlines.
I highly doubt a Comunist Chinese AI program will have a flow-chart from "Bob."
English Search Results (Scroll down to "ACCOONA RESULTS")
Chinese Search Results
First search result on the english page is titled "Fifteenth Anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre." That page doesn't even show up at all in the results on the chinese-language version.
When I search for 'wikipedia' the first result I get has this headline 'Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Bukkake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
Alright, looks like some AI that!
I fought the corporate America, and the corporate America bought the law.
From the terms:
/. indexed.
"By posting messages, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any other form of communication through this service, you are granting ACCOONA a royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to:
Use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, publicly perform or display any such communication. Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.
The foregoing grants shall include the right to exploit any proprietary rights in such communication, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, service mark or patent laws under any relevant jurisdiction."
Privacy issues aside, according to this retarded agreement (if it actually holds up), if their server visits, and indexes your website (which would qualify as a form of "communication"), they technically inherit full trademark, copyright, and all other rights to it. Also, I noticed it has
no communism is inheriently totalitarian. have you read any writings of communist leaders? what happens to people who disagree? in the utopia society suppose someone is born and that person disagrees, what happens to them? they are removed form "utopia". i dont like proof by example, but look at any communist state in the world today how come EVERY SINGLE one of them is totalitarian? can you show me a case whem communism is not?
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Yes, we know Slick was very good about keeping up appearances. All the way through the last minute pardons for sale to the stolen silverware.
If you disagree then it must be overrated, redundant or trolling.
Comparing the results between google and accoona for 'chinese dictatorship'.
Well who *is* on Google's side?
Six hundred million screamin' Chinamen.
I thought there was a billion screamin' Chinamen.
There was...
Search for linux and get microsoft.com as the first result.
Feeling Lucky?
Google: china government oppression
Accoona: china government oppression
I can't say I'm impressed with this search engine offering. I tried the most obvious query I could think of, bill clinton, which yielded a bizarre novelty site as the first result.
A Google search on the same keywords yields Bill Clinton's official White House biography.
I'll be waiting for Accoona 2.0.
org.slashdot.post.SignatureNotFoundException: ewg
well, I think it's quite clear that china is in the brutal starting phase of capitalism now.
maybe it's only clear to most chinese people.
So, now China will have the Fox News of search engines.
Both extremes meet in the middle and do the same..
How does this not disturb anyone? The govt of China gave money to an organization solely devoted to promoting the image of a former US President? Something just doesn't seem right here...
test it yourself, goto google and search fro taiwan and you get the Republic of China's official page. Search for it in Acoona there is no mention of the Republic of China anywhere.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
....the search engine looks you up.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
I'm not gonna touch that one... but I wouldn't smoke it if I were you. ;)
Agile Artisans
Accoona's results are full of spammy sites.
Books should go to Amazon, instead show http://free-adult-comix-books.sexcomix.tv
Auctions should go to eBay or Y! Auctions, instead show http://auctions.studentcenter.org
Email should got to Y! Email or hotmail, instead show http://rfc1733.x42.com
Dating should show match.com or eHarmony, instead shows every subdomain on games-ts.com.
These are just a few examples to make a point that Accoona is far from showing good results. Accoona did hire the former CEO of Compaq and Clinton himself announced the new search engine today however the engineering part of Accoona is in need of serious improvement.
Slashdot has really gone downhill.
Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting
Here are the first four Accoona searches I did:
MSN
SLATE
AOL
BAY AREA RIDERS FORUM (this is a very popular bay area-centric motorcycle forum that I regularly visit)
Compare and contrast this with the results I received from Google:
MSN
SLATE
AOL
BAY AREA RIDERS FORUM
Very, very different. After searching with these very common, popular queries, I've come to the conclusion that this new Accoona search engine isn't worth it's weight in salt. Really, it's a great testimony to how good Google really is.
Of lesser importance, the time it takes to obtain said search results is significantly longer than for Google.
" This isn't too surprising. Bill Clinton sold China our multi-stage missile technology for satellite launching. "
Bill CLinton sold it? Did you mean to say that a corporation in the military industrial complex sold it after some beurocrat OKed the deal?
I wasn't aware that Bill Clinton was manufacturing ICBM technology.
evil is as evil does
I tried to SuperTarget my search: chinese suppression violation human rights by checking chinese and violation It didn't seem to make a difference in the results which were totally different than googles...
Google: china government oppression
Accoona: china government oppression
hmm.... One result on the main page even mentioning Chinese government oppression in the results. I'll stick to google, thanks.
So non-sponsored links appear below the page fold. Good job.
Collective Type Project
I just have to say that the Clinton reference is commpletely appropriate here. Who better for the Chinese to stick on their flagship search engine than Clinton?
After who sold China dual use missle guidance technology so they can make their nuclear warhead hit their targets? Sure the Chinese needed it for their space program...Riiiight! *wink* *wink*...
Uhh, Clinton? *ding* *ding*
Let's see, who was it that gave the North Koreans the technology they needed to kick start their nuclear power program? Sure Kim Jong Il needed it for energy to power his hot tub...Riiight! *wink* *wink*...
Uhh, Clinton? *ding* *ding*
Oh, one more, who was it who came up with the great idea of managing terrorism through law enforcement and therefore preventing curcial intelligence information from being used to defend this country by sealing it under a Grand Jury? Hell no wonder the CIA didn't know what it was talking about.
Uhh, Clinton? *ding* ding* *ding*
If I were the Chinese, he's the first person I'd pick too. He's done more to weaken the US and put this country in danger than any President I've studied.
welcome our new web indexing Red Chinese overlords.
I for one welcome our new [insert main topic] overlords.
Hmmm, I can't find any results for the "falun gong" group?!?! Any ideas as to why?
This is creepy stuff, very Orwellian. If the US is helping China protect its citizens from collecting information freely, how is China hepling the US in return?
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This is stupid. Why on earth would I want some hunk of metal using "artificial intelligence" to determine which keywords I want to search for? That's my job. I have real intelligence, and I'm perfectly capable of determining which keywords to search for myself. What I'm not capable of is searching through a few billion webpages in under a second. That's its job.
Also, the name is stupid. They tried a little too hard on that one.
Also, the search engine sucks. If I search for "Fat Tire Beer", nowhere do I find New Belgium, the manufacturer. This result is first on Google.
Also, they're evidently afraid of competition. If I search for Accoona on Google, www.accoona.com is the top result. If I search for Google on Accoona, I get a lot of non-printing characters. But no link to Google.
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The company seeks to distinguish itself from Google, Yahoo Inc. and growing list of other search engine players by using artificial intelligence to make the results more relevant, said Pfeiffer.
There's some humor in this statement in that Accoona seems to be using Overture for at least its sponsored results. One example. But then, most modern "competitors" of Google and Yahoo seem to fall back on the technology of one or the other to some degree.
You've been watching political mudsling ads again, haven't you?
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Regardless of people's opinions of the government of china, the fact remains that 'Communism' as practised in that nation is in fact Maoism, and does not have overly much in comming with Marxist communism. The fact that people routinely label things as 'Communist = Bad' is somewhat disheartening on a forum where people are expected to be capable of rational thought. Toeing the capitalist party line and just deriding communism because the media told you to makes you no better than someone who mindlessly parrots Maoist dogma in China. You just think your government allows you to have 'free' and 'uncensored' media, while the chinese government is more blatant about it. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, try searching google for 'US Soldier casket pictures'
To sell legitimacy, however tainted it may be.
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... a cluster of three million Chinese browsing the web in real time and responding to queries!!
Lookup something such as "falun gong" or "falun dafa" and you won't get anything anywhere near what you get on google.
Does that mean that Algooma's alpha version will be named Algoo+1ma?
and now back to the fallout shelter...
I thought that was supposed to be "if-you-find-it,-they-will-block-it". *ducks*
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I did a search on these words, and 14 of the first 15 hits were to pages with Guns N Roses lyrics. And after the 15th site? It didn't list any more, even though the top of the page said "Results 11 - 21 of 87173". Going to the next ten showed no links, while the top of the page said "Results 21 - 31 of 87173". This could just be due to server overload or some other slashdot effect, though.
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China perhaps calls themselves communists (I don't know if they actually do that? Soviet did not afaik), however that does not make china a communist country.
Please use the term "totalitarian nation/state/country", as that is more appropriate.
http://accoona.com/search?col=wc&qt=Google
English and Chinese responses, 10 pages worth.
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China is ungood?
Guess what, when you submit a URL, it is sent by email and not via a mail script or something as used by other search engines... microsoft touch, no doubt... ;)
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I find it interesting that "screw mao" returns absolutely no results. Must be a bug! ;)
Not very scientific, but I tried "height mt. robson" in Google and the first result had the height of the mountain in the blurb. Tried it on Accoona and I got a page of Hotels. None of which were even in Canada even. Also it took about 10 times as long to even bring up the WRONG results. Nope. Still not going to stop using Google.
It's about time some competitors to Google started appearing in other countries. Not sure I'd choose China though. Come on Sweden - what can you do for us?
#1 is called "scored OR" and has been around since the 1960s. In fact, every major web search engine used to use this approach until the web got really big.
#2 is called term weighting, and has also been around since the 1960s. These days it's generally not exposed to users, but most search engines have this capability under the hood.
#3 is found in any metasearch engine.
So how is this AI, exactly?
I hate to distract from all the discussion about China, but the search engine itself is a mess.
I tried my standard test keyword, which is obscure enough to not get too many responses but real enough to get a good set (kw is "medienkunst" which is german for "media art" and also one of my domains, medienkunst.com).
On Accoona I got a bunch of sites, mostly domains I registered at some point, some active and some not. All of them have this "info" button that shows info about "my" company (some true some obvious crap).
It would appear that they just trolled whois and grouped domains together by who registered them, and then made a bunch of wild-monkeys-flying-out-of-their-asses assumptions about that connection.
So, if that's their "AI" I don't think G has to worry, Clinton or no Clinton.
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The top 9 results are all in Chinese... the last result on the top page is Google UK, followed by pages and pages of more Chinese stuff.
Search Google for "Accoona." It's the top result.
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Search results for "china human rights violation"
Using Accoona and Google
Slightly different wouldn't you say ?
A million monkeys and this is the best sig they could come up with...
"With all those nasty pro-democracy websites that Google keeps turning up, what's a communist country supposed to do? Well, create their own search engine of course!
Lucky America taking the moral high ground, only in such a consumer paradise could a government buy and sell it's way into office and keep a whole media network paid off.
I guess you must think that state sanctioned censorship is far worse - compared to America's self censorship for patriotic, propaganda and political reasons. Same result - just different methods.
Wise up sucker.
Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
It seems to be a rather poorly implemented frontend for overture. Many of the links are overture links (they try to hide the fact by disabling the status line over those particular links). Also quite interesting is a search for google
Go to accoona.com, and do a search for "china tiananmen square"... and see if the first 50 results or so make any reference to a little incident that happened in 1989. Hmm.
It is interesting to see that if a search for linux is inputted in accuna.com microsoft.com (A "sponsored" result) shows up as the first hit. However on google linux.com shows up. Odd....
Try doing a search for "Search Engine" =)
Here's what it returned as the page description:
... States is presented with the ... Accoona Championship Trophy by Accoona Corp. Executive Director Jonathan McCann ...
Accoona World Women's Chess Championship Series Accoona French-American Women's Chess
The above text doesn't appear on the Accoona page and doesn't give any hint you're about to land on a search engine page.
Looks like Google has fresher data. All The Web does a bit better job too.
So a ex US President, helped launch a Chinese company (communist) create an application that will deny access to people in china to access information on democracy.
This same company gave an "undisclosed amount (aka large amount)" of money so to open a library (free information) with the name of a ex us president in a democracy.
sooo.....
democracy helps communists block free information to communists about democracy
while the communists are helping democracy supply more free information to democracy
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Am I missing anything here, or is this just silly?
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Wait. That's not how that goes.
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Search for "human rights" on Google, and the first links you get are to Human Rights Watch, the UN, and Amnesty International. The sponsored links are clearly relevant.
What do you get when you search Accoona for "human rights"? "Human rights on eBay. Find human rights items at low prices." The first non-sponsored link is to holysmoke.org, which doesn't appear to be about human rights.
I don't know if this is censorship, but it is a crappy search engine.
Why doesn't this surprise me?
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Wow what a real good, AI targeted search engine! Do a search for "books". First un-sponsored result is porn!! This search engine rocks :P
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Thanks Bill. I hope your penis falls off.
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The first non-sponsored result to come up with a search for "George W Bush" is a giant picture of a mushroom cloud. Interesting. The second hit is for a set of playing cards mocking the president. And the fourth is for "Bush Country Ketchup: The Official Ketchup of Right-Leaning Americans." Dick Cheney does little better.
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sounds easy enough yes?
Accoona Result : HereWell.
Google Result : Here
Not only is google the more accurate at what i wanted, it also returns the most results, and faster. I dont know about any of you guys but im hardly impressed with accoona
Yes ... and no doubt we'd all feel their pain.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Searched for "linux" and first result I get is (sponsered result no less)
Compare Windows and Linux Servers
Windows outperforms Linux: Industry case studies and test lab results provide insight
into the advantages of the Microsoft® Windows® platform. Read the independent analysis now.
www.microsoft.com
nuff said
... I'm sorry Dave, I cannot let you search for that.
http://accoona.com/search?col=mc&qt=china
the first result: "China Replacements at Replacements.com"
Once again.
Did Bill Clinton himself sell this technology? It's a simple yes or no question.
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Check the american history and how it treats its own citizens who had different politcal ideas. But they that is alright because everyone who is not a capatalist is an enemy right? America is for free people and free people only choose capatalism otherwise they are not free. Nice dogma mate.
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Try searching for "Google". Amusing.
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OK. Now we know where "everywhere" is, and "somewhere".
But what about "nowhere" and "anywhere" - are they north and south? Or what? I don't get it.
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You couldn't make it up.
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Search for Democrary: Acooona vs Google
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I never realized it was so powerful.
http://www.freetibet.org/ is actually in the top five.
So what happens in people click 'unwanted' links to the top positions?
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