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Porn Industry Mulls Next Generation-DVD
MBCook writes "ZDNet has an interesting article about how the porn industry might end up deciding the outcome of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray debate. One side likes the higher capacity of Blu-ray, while others like the lower costs of producing HD-DVDs. Manufacturing 11,000 titles a year, the industry would have a sizeable say in the debate."
Blew Ray?
The bigger the better!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I just thought it was all in the internet?
I would rather be ashes than dust!
In the end, porn really is what drives technology forward. You can believe that when we have fully tactile 3d VR, we'll have it because the porn industry invented it.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
11000 porn titles a year? Goodness, who's actually watching all that? I rented a few porn movies myself when I was young(er), but to be frank, I never was impressed with any of them, and I returned most (if not all) of them without even finishing watching them.
Did I just watch the wrong ones and miss those that are actually entertaining (in whatever way)?
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Then again, 20 extra gigs of "Twin Peaks" sounds awfully compelling...
Jerry
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Adult film producers want the higher quality picture as well as extra space for creative expression--like giving viewers choice of camera angles.
"Creative Expression" in porn is a term I'm not going to touch with a 10-foot pole.
But damn if you're not going to be able to see it from six different angles.
Why did VHS win and Betamax fail? Some people (including me) argue that the biggest reason is that all th eporn was available on VHS. Wasn't there a statement against porn from the betamax people?
Which industry was the only industry for a long time acually delivering profits selling stuff on the web during a time when all other industries promised a lot but only delivered losses?
And remember the multiple-angle button on the DVD players? Who really thinks that this button was designed for the sports industry?
I think the article hits the nail right on the head. The porn industry will decide which format will be used.
I swore I only watched 10,500 last year
Damn, I missed some
If there is a new technology, it's either the military or the porn industry who uses it first, either the killing professionals, or the...you know where this line is leading.
Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh.
that the enlightenment team's porn film will be put on hold for another few months until the format is converted. Geesh... Another delay.....
One thing I wouldn't want to watch in HD pron though... those rear end going on stuff might show more detail (and colors) than I could stomach :)
One only has to look to the Betamax to find a superior home entertainment technology that lost partially because the porn industry embraced the competitor. (actually, IIRC, Sony refused to license the beta to porn).
These guys are creative geniuses. Who'd of thought of that? MORE camera angles. What a clever way to fill up that extra space.
"would have a sizeable say in the debate"
The article says the smaller studios prefer HD-DVD because its cheaper to produce, while the bigger studios prefer BluRay because its got a larger capacity. So does the phrase "Nothing to see here, move along" apply to this as well?
Maybe if they'd stop selling those "all weekend erection" pills they wouldn't need longer porn movies.
The next Cmdr Taco duplicate will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
They have been heavily involved in the development and early adopters of: online credit card transactions, streaming video/webcams, VHS, multi-angle DVDs, pop-up ads, affiliate programs, pay-per-view, 900 #s, geo-targetting... the list goes on.
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Mr. Blake's gonna make great use out of this new technology, his movies are always the best. High quality video, production, sound, and the women!!! Amazing. O wait, this isn't the adultdvdtalk forum!
"We're kind of riding it out a little further to see where the trend goes," said Jackie Ramos, an executive in the DVD division at leading porn producer Wicked Pictures. that's a classic if i've ever seen one
When I tell an object to delete this, am I killing it or telling it to kill me?
<ObSimpsons>
Marge: "Fox turned into a hard-core porn network so gradually, I didn't even notice!"
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Come on, we really know that they are making 24 titles a year.
The reason DVD is so popular isn't so much cost or quality, even though it helps. It was because it was the ONLY format. Most people that have a DVD player now can't even tell the difference between VHS and DVD (sad, I know) and only got one because they can borrow movies from their friends and because they are cheap. This whole thing is going to blow up in their faces because Joe Average isn't going to know which one to get and they sure aren't going to buy 2 players.
At that rate, even if there are all in one players they are never going to hit the hillbilly Wal-Mart sub $50 price point (or $100 at that rate) having to have 3 lasers (Blu-ray, HDDVD, DVD/CD).
This porn thing is going to be a mess too. Porn is a HUGE industry. If there is going to be a format war internally there, you can expect nothing but a mess.
This is going to be a colossal freaking debacle.
I will have something to see with my new expensive blue ray reader!
Wondering why i am doing so strange posts? I am trying to get a "+5,Flamebait" or "-1,Insightful" rating.
First, if the industry puts more and more porn onto one disc they'll risk losing sales if they charge more for that one disc. If someone is ordering porn on sees a $50 disc and a $25 dollar disc, I'm guessing they'll go with the $25 disc, regardless of how much porn is on the former.
Second, the vast majority of porn actresses are NOT that good looking. Sure they look somewhat OK on DVD, but once you put them on HD you'll start noticing the grotesque flaws, e.g., surgical scares.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
10 minutes of content will do the job.
sorry but there is a reason that the porn channels have not even looked at HD yet. Porn stars are pretty farking ugly. If you saw that 8 way screwfest in HD clarity you would be pretty turned off as to how hairy her ass is and those "freckles" are actually open sores...
Porn is best left in low res and fuzzy. it allows you to fill in the rest of the details and not get disgusted.
I guess I'm in favor of getting more content for my money. Ignoring porn for the moment, I notice that some mainstream studios are in favor of the higher density format. What's in it for them? Maybe they want to foist a bunch of stuff we don't want (like interviews with the electrician's assistant) on us and jack up the price. In that case, they have learned nothing from recent events. Most people resent paying twenty bucks for a cd just to get one song. Same for movies. If I want a movie, that's what I want. I don't want an extra seven hours of filler.
The good old days of grainy hardcore loops are fast receding...
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"Manufacturing 11,000 titles a year, the industry would have a sizeable say in the debate."
It's not the size of the say of the debate, it's how fast you can mass produce those discs. DISCS, perv.
Customers demand the terabytes of disk to store hundreds of hours of p0rn; they demand broadband to deliver it; they pioneered ways to pay it over the net.
From what I've heard, Betamax lost to VHS because at first they were both proprietary formats. Betamax held less tape BUT had a higher quality. Sony made Betamax but at first would not let the porn industry use the format since they felt it was immoral and unethical. I know that Japan has had some very serious anti-porn laws in place in the past. This also could have been an issue. Anyhow, I think it was JVC that came up with VHS and were more than eager to cash in on the porn goldmine. These two new formats (also proprietary) are both welcoming the porn industry as the lesson has been learned...never underestimate the financial power of porn! Has anyone heard of China's EVD? I believe it was the first to use blue ray technology but it's patent is open. That means that anyone can use it without royalties. I believe this is why it has not been used in America, it welcomes bootleggers. And that's probably why it's so popular in China :)
Doesn't the porn industry put out VCDs? If the porn industry is going to be the driver in this, I'd put my money on the cheaper technology, provided it's good enough to get people to buy. That means more margin on the cheap products you sell a lot of. How many expensive, elaborately produced DVDs do they do?
Even on a fancy LotR style DVD set, you could just go to multiple disks. This would cost more, but its on a more expensive product. Lower costs on cheap products make a huge difference in profitability; higher costs on expensive products have less of an impact.
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It's not the porn indistry per se that is driving this technology, it's capitalism. The article makes it seem as though the porn industry is lined with visionaries that sit around all day and come up with ways to better society. They're not driving anything. They're reactionaries. While it's true that the porn industry has fuled the emergence of many technologies, they are doing so mostly by accident. They are only in the business of making money. Take DVD's for instance. They are much cheaper to produce, they are more durable, lighter (cheaper distribution) and they don't melt when you leave them paused on one scene for a long period of time. This is clearly a natural fit for the porn industry, so they started producing DVD's. Same goes with the porn explosion in the early days of the Internet. Inexpensive distribution, and people clearly had poor judgement when they were wanking off. (Why do you think they can offer subscriptions for $29.95 a month.)
I know this post comes off as porn bashing, but let's not give those guys (and girls) too much credit. They saw an opportunity and seized it. Same with mass spammers. They aren't trying to ruin the Internet, but where there's a buck to be made...
-Arthur
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Size matters. 'nuff said.
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Recommended reading: Obscene Profits: The Entrepreneurs of Pornography in the Cyber Age. This book maps out how pornography has propelled technology forward through the ages, from the printing press to the Internet. Amazon even lets you read the first few pages.
It's interesting to see the HDDVD/BluRay discussion in some longer-range historical light.
-Mark
...the one that is most resistant to sticky fingers marks.
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If you check one of the links in the Betamax Wikipedia article you linked to, you'd notice this article debunking the Betamax player superiority as a myth.
The article has several good points, although it's sometimes hard to tell what can be attributed to hindsight and what can't. Anyhow I think it's safe to say that "Betamax > VHS" is a huge oversimplification.
Oh, I can't help quoting you because everything that you said rings true
Which industry was the only industry for a long time acually delivering profits selling stuff on the web during a time when all other industries promised a lot but only delivered losses? [...]The porn industry will decide which format will be used.
Yah, porn comes pretty close if you watch out for silly Tennesee postmasters.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
If one of the two formats decides to offer reduced licensing fees to the porn industry for the first few years, say until 2007 or 2008, that will be the format that wins. The initial cost to setup Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is nothing compared to a few years of licensing fees.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
They haven't even released the second series on DVD yet
Don't forget GPS, electric typewriters, electric toothbrushes, space-age polymers, bicycle protective gear, the camera-stylo, the "you must be at least this tall" sign at amusement parks, flexicuffs, any number of gadgets and machines the proper use of which I cannot even imagine, and reality tv.
I'm looking forward to multiple commentary tracks, from the producer/director and the actors.
"This montage here is homage to Eisenstein's battle on the frozen lake in Alexander Nevsky, and the backdoor finale evokes the Teutonic Knights' flight from camp"; "That one line, 'any of you girls order a pizza?' took me fifteen takes, and it just didn't seem right. Then Bob took me aside and said to just give it my all, and *wham* I nailed it".
It accounts for about $30 million dollars in tax revenue for the San Fernando Valley.
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I may be misinformed, but EVERY time I see a prototype of a Blu-Ray unit, it says Blu-Ray Recorder. This should be a significant advantage for ANYONE who's owned HDTV for more than a day or two. Eventually, you want to record these beautiful concert performances in 5.1 and time-shift the Sopranos. So far as I've read, HD DVD is a playback only device, just like DVDs today. If Blu-Ray can RECORD HD and playback when it launches, it MUST win over the other format. Early HDTV adopters need to make sure of it, despite what the porn industry decides and what joe six pack can find at WalMart.
-nfo
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It's not like porn needs the quality of DVD anyway.
It's not like anyone but Andrew Blake is shooting with halfway decent equipment.
It doesn't matter if the output format has 10K x 10K pixels if it's shot on crappy camcorders.
It's not the size, it's what you do with it!
"Adult film producers want the higher quality picture as well as extra space for creative expression--like giving viewers choice of camera angles."
Sony is already supporting Blu-Ray. EA and Vivendi just announced they're on the Blu-Ray bandwagon as well. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 6196
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It makes perfect sense!
;).
The stereotypical macho(hetero) man is unwilling to engage in sexual affairs with another man, in any form. This extends to watching porn. Thus, you're left with only women. Watching one woman masturbate is limited fun, so you have a group of them.
I don't read AC A human right
A cheap yet funny post.
Laws are for people with no friends.
Seeing as how I used to sell this stuff in mass quantities to some of the lowliest scum on the face of the planet, all I can say is this...
There is no reason for them embrace this new technology until it becomes mainstream and cheap. So few movies make use of the multiple camera angles , and those that do cost $59.99 (retail mind you.) They're the Jenna Jameson or (insert some triple implanted face lifted ugly skank here) movie where she's not even doing another guy, it's all solo vibrator stuff.
If they need to put more content on there, they just put it on another DVD fairly cheaply, then hike the price up a lot. The Fashionistas was some glamourous production, coming on 4 discs. Yes, 4 discs. Just like LotR, 2 discs were movie, 1 was extra crap you'd never watch, and 1 was more extra crap you'd never watch. $79.99 retail. It's about the only movie I've seen use multiple disks for actual content that wasn't just cuts of other movies.
Most movies that are over 60-90 minutes are just a bunch of cuts from other movies, some huge 8 hour montage.
Not to mention bondage, those movies are a total of 30 minutes. That's it.
$29.99 - $39.99 is the selling point price it seems for most profit. Hell, we'd sell movies we bought for $1.50 for $39.99 and people would buy them. Want to make some money? Open an adult bookstore. They raked in about $20K net profit... net... per month.
I highly doubt they'll use the extra capacity to make a longer movie, or even put in extra angles, or much of anything else. They will move to the next gen format only when other people are using it enough to make profitable to them.
Why?
They are already making a lot of money without using next gen discs, without putting in extra content, and without putting in extra angles. All this is fluff that people do not care about, they just want to buy some movie that has a picture of a goat on the front.
Yes, true story... some man wanted to rent a movie that said "Explicit material" on the front and had a picture of a goat. He asked me at least 10 times if they had sex with the goat in it, and each time I assured him it was illegal and there would be no animal sex of any kind in it. After all this, he rents it anyways just to make sure.
f-ing sick. I'll spare you some of the more graphic stories, but let me tell you... nothing makes you more apathetic for humanity that working in a pr0n store for almost three years.
... size really _does_ matter
One side likes the higher capacity of Blu-ray
Why would the larger media be advantageous over the cheaper-to-produce media? It doesn't seem like these particular films are generally very long, nor is video quality (generally) as important.
So what's the decision? Seems like choosing the cheaper-to-produce media is a no-brainer.
All kidding aside, that is a LOT of product. I wonder how much they actually make off these movies. Cant imagine they cost much to produce.
I notice they are not too concerned about so-called piracy, and are still profitable. Or at least if they are annoyed, they havent gone public like the other members of the entertainment industry.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
There was significant reason for Porn Driving VHS and for DVD uptake.
But no reason exist for Porn migrating ahead of the market this time.
Next generation provide 2 things. 1: Better image quality and 2:capacity.
1: Porn movies are ultra low quality, that dont' get anywhere near to quality limits of current DVD. So there is no migration because of this.
2: Porn movies are generally quite short.
So the porn industry is likely to stay with option 3 ( plain old DVD) long after hollywood has migrated.
Also migration to next gen (NG) will be a slow one, there is very little incentive for the majority of people to move to NG DVD. It will be a niche product for a long time.
(Yes, people bought those pricy machines when they found out they could watch porn in the privacy of their own homes.)
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I think the porn industry will have little or no influence on this fight. Unlike with Betamax/VHS, the porn producers already have a cheap, ubiquitous format, and there's no way that porn is stretching the limits of DVD.
I think computer users will influence the decision. Given a penny or two's difference in medium cost, a computer user will most likely opt for the bigger storage medium. I doubt many will have any qualms about a $50 difference between a Blu-Ray-ROM and a HD/DVD-ROM, considering the huge size difference. A number of game companies are already endorsing Blu-Ray, because they have no problem packing in extra content (the game itself and associated media, possibly in many resolutions, artwork, story boards, sound files, desktop themes etc. etc.).
The entertainment industry is leaning towards HD/DVD for the moment, but I think that the sheer volume of Blu-Ray discs that computer users would consume (movie consumers don't buy stacks of 100 discs at a time) would force the price down to compete or beat HD/DVD. The entertainment insudtry would probably have to follow the crowd, assuming they don't jump on the bandwagon early. The porn industry would probably follow later.
Many people are aware that the porn industry has been a major driving force in the adoption of new entertainment technologies. However, the next-gen DVD isn't exactly a new technology per se, it's just an upgrade to an existing technology. It offers pretty much nothing new to porn producers except more space, which they don't need. DVD's already have scene-selection, menus, multiple angles, soundtracks, etc. What really does the next-gen format have to offer?
It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.
There's more than one side to it. I think the pr0n industry should dabble in a tiny little bit of Blu-Ray, and here's why:
The "gonzo" genre is the largest segment of pr0n made these days. Gonzo is when the camera man is holding a little 2M pixel camcorder about 12 inches away from the "action". If anyone's ever watched the "behind the scenes" clips, the camera man is always conscious of the total amount of time he has on the video. So, if you move to high definition, you are going to have to have the technology to capture it at 1600x1200 or whatever you want, and you're going to have to be able to capture and store that video feed.
There's a few movies, like Aurora Snow's "Wicca", where they go with special effects and actual production sets, instead of an empty distribution warehouse and a $14 Walmart mat on the floor. But like I said, most are the point-of-view. Those are the easiest to make, since you just sign up a "fresh young teen" and yell action. No script writer. No plots or CGI or anything else that slows down production time.
They can go standard definition and put "compilations" onto Blu-Ray, which will sell very well. Mpeg4, 25gig per layer; Christ, that would be 20 hours of 720x480 pr0n per dual-layer disk!
And they could put out a few high-definition disks, with the few movies they do that are production set material.
porn pushes through technology, and while it may decide which 2nd gen DVD we go to, what will be more interesting is which movie download services take this content and run with it.
Most people aren't fond of going to the sex shop to pick these things up, and if you can download an HDTV quality porno in less than an hour or so, why bother?
I guess the guy with the biggest camera wins.
yeah, I know we all want to watch our movies at a billion lines of resolution but the only reason I see Hollywood being so gung-ho about getting a new standard out is because DVDs are now easy to copy or you can download a DVD rip off the net. Downloading 2GB used to be a feat but in day of increasing bandwidth it's no longer unreasonable. HD-DVD or Blu-Ray would require new burners, media and a rip would be 5-7x larger.
Doesn't correlate with here or here
I concur.
We dance to all the wrong songs.
--Refused.
I mean it just makes sense.... those protective cases would prevent.... contamination...
It's like having four breasts! One pair to play with and another you borught along yourself! Brilliant!
Lesbian spanking inferno?
Only my personal opinion, but when I've thought about it I came down to this reasoning:
a) Many people are shy about their porn habits or fetishes. Hence the porn gets hidden in behind your socks in the top drawer
b) Previously, when acquiring porn, you either had to rent it (videos) or buy it from the store. This meant looking a clerk straight in the eye and having him/her know all your dirty little secrets.
or, you could order it by mail. Which generally meant first you had to buy the magazine with the order form, 'cause they didn't generally come in National Geographic. Subsequently, if your porn didn't get stolen by the mailman (yes, I know many people for whom several of the monthly subscription mags just didn't make it to the doorstep) - then often enough people at least could see it when it arrived and again, they knew
c) For many it's easier to hide your browser history etc from the significant other than it is to hide the stash in the sock drawer. Wives have homing beacons built in for this stuff!
d) Fast and convenient. Magazine subscriptions take time to arrive, or you have to leave the house. If you're in the mood then the internet readily provides most content on a quick basis.
I can tell we have much expertise on this topic... along with the best digital movie cameras, the best computers, the best DVD recorders...
I bet we could really make excellent movies, too.
All we'd need is some actresses willing to star with us in the movies, and... oh wait!
So it's basically a question of which matters more--the size, or what you do with it.
Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
-kfg
From what I understood, Blu-Ray continues to use MPEG-2 while HD-DVD uses MPEG-4, so HD-DVD didn't need as much space as Blu-Ray does. But looking at specs online, I see that MPEG-4 is listed as one of many codecs supported for both. It's confusing following the process of both formats.
So am I right in saying the only technical difference between each disc is that Blu-Ray holds more data and has twice the data transfer rate? Googling for actual differences between the two, beyond vague descriptions of "differing manufacturing processes," is difficult. Based on the assumptions above, Blu-Ray appears to be the superior format. I just want the absolute most superior movie format for posterity's sake.
When you get right down to it, which format is the best?
Sure 50 gigs would give them more "creative expression", but that is going to be more expensive to produce. But the bigger issue is cutting into impulse buying and repeat sales. Consider 9 hours of content. It is going to be much easier to sell it as 9 1 hour DVDs at $15 than to sell 1 9 hour DVD at even $100. Look at the VHS porn you can see today. I don't think most porn movies last as long as regular feature films and porn titles with sequels in the double digits is not uncommon.
Then consider the biological part of the equation. How many people are going to last through 9 hours? A porn longer than 3 hours is most likely overkill for the vast majority of consumers.
This reminds me of when I worked at a video/music store to pay for college. We used to get a kick out of seeing how far into the porns people got. The gals were very disappointed in a couple of otherwise decent looking guys when they brought back theirs with only ~10 mins watched. One guy even got in trouble for mocking someone to their face. He wasn't the brightest of fellows.
_damnit_
It's my job to freeze you. -- Logan's Run
I agree that it was an oversimplification.
Looking at old magazines from the time, you get a different perspective. When the two formats were first introduced, (very early 80s) Betamax had a slight edge in quality over VHS. However, by the mid 80s, VHS had basically caught up in quality. As nearly as I can tell, had Beta won the format wars, we wouldn't have any better picture quality from our analog recordings than we do now. The idea that we're all watching inferior-quality recordings today because the superior technology lost is pretty much bunk.
I worked in a porn shop for 2 days. One day was a short one for training. The next was the grave shift in a 24hr spank shop. They wanted me to clean the arcade stalls and I just couldn't. Why people have to play games like "see who can shoot the highest on the wall" is beyond me. I quit when the manager came in the next morning. [He had to clean the stalls.]
_damnit_
It's my job to freeze you. -- Logan's Run
Yeah I watched HBO's Pornucopia on On Demand too.
Mostly nasty, as are all of HBO's sexumentaries.
Why is only the nastiest basement-of-Walmart porn available on cable? And the pay stuff is the worst. The same 6 fugly bodies slapping their meat to bad music. blech.
There are so many young nubile bodies on the internet just dying to usurp the cable nasties.
For a heterosexual male:
Hetero Sex
Naked Woman: +1
Naked Man: -1 or 0
Sexual Act: +1
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Total: +1 or +2
Lesbian Sex
Naked Woman: +1
Naked Woman: +1
Sexual Act: +1
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Total: +3
Lesbians: It's ALL good!
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
Holy Coitus Interuptus, Batman! I'm not amazed at the volume as much as I as am amazed about the creativity behind actually titling that many porn movies.
I imagine a brain storming session migh go like this:
"Bob, what do we have for this week?"
"Well, Tony, we have 4 girl on girl releases, 2 double penetration features, 3 gay features, and a couple of light one-on-one featurettes for cable."
"What are we going with?"
"Glad you asked, Tony. Right now, we've got Hair Pie Tango II, Bushmasters, Vagitarians from Outer Space, and Lesbian Luau; for the 2 on 1s, we have Git-R-Done and Heads or Tails?; for the gay demographics, we've got Mandango, Cock-A-Doodle-Doo, and Bunghole Burglars III. For the cable features, we're going with Flesh Fetish and Return to Blue Lagoon II.
"Great. We'll get 'em to graphics for the cover design and then send over to marketing..."
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
It's not about attitudes towards homosexuality as a lifestyle, it's about straight men being attracted to women. They want to see them naked and having sex. Whether that's with a man or woman is irrelevant most of the time. It depends on what turns them on, the nakedness and pleasuring of females (mostly lesbian fetish) or the act of sex itself (mostly man w/ woman). What they don't want to see is men sticking their schlongs up other guys' rear ends, that should be pretty obvious to deduce.
The reason why mainstream movies don't have multiple camera angles isn't because they aren't willing to adopt the technology- its just that its not very useful for what they are trying to accomplish. Setting up a shot artistically from one angle is challenging enough in itself. Setting up shots that work from three different angles would either be extremely difficult and time consuming or would involve some serious compromises. Its not quite as simple as porn where photographic direction only matters insofar as it keeps the goods in the shot.
As long as it's "liquidproof" and can we wiped with a paper napkin for next use
> I just want the absolute most superior movie format for posterity's sake.
But you listen to MP3s, correct?
Listen to MP3s? Sure. Store them as MP3s for archival purposes? Of course not. But what you use and what you store for posterity's sake are not the same.
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Very early porn had verisimilitude because there was no porn industry and the only people who could appear in it were amatuers or at best prostitutes. Even 1950s Playboys and stag stuff was more amateur than professional, and this was true up until the 1970s when plastic surgery and porno production improved and there was a desire to make the women (and the men) "more perfect".
This went on until the women ALL had "perfect" (if often cartoonish) breasts, all the men had huge cocks and could cum like a fire hose. After a while it just stops seeming real -- the people are too perfect and the action was so predictable and soullessly acted, leaving people to not believe these people are ACTUALLY having sex.
I think this is what largely drives amateur popularity.. It seems like they're really having sex not putting on a performance, and the people involved are like people you've had sex with or interact with, adding to the voyeurism. It's more real.
I also think the lack of verisimilitude in traditional modern porn had a lot to with the rise of "ultracore" stuff (fake rapes, S&M, etc) -- the soulless performances led people to want something that was more emotionally compelling, even if it was for the "wrong" reasons.
From the article:
" Hollywood has begun lining up on both sides of the battle as they have watched the growth of DVDs slow. They will want a new standard in place soon, to accelerate again."
What everybody in the movie industry wants is a way to "resell" you content. We are the losers, but it is self inflicted pain. After all, we "buy" their sale speeches. We go an buy that movie once more! The new movies will probably be no cheaper than the current ones, even if their cost is cheaper to manufacture.
The new Music formats have not been very successful. I for one will not buy my music again (I replaced around 40 vynil albums).
The movie industry is very foolish by not embracing one format. They are spreading FUD to the movie buyer. People will not know that format will be the winner and will be reluctant to buy any. If they had a gram of brain, they will align with Sony (SOny will not alinn with anybody else) and say, screw the other. Let us unity against those stupid idiots (the consumers) who will buy "whatever" we feed them (after all how do you explain that movies such as "Dude where is my car" can even sell a copy!
I would have thought that it'd be the in the best interests of the porno industry to invest in digital video technology.
Think about it, if these sites could offer movie downloads of the same quality but at a tenth of the size, think of the money they'd save in saved bandwidth!
Maybe I think too highly of porn mongers but have they not heard of the saying: "You have to spend money to make money"?
He is aboslutely correct. Most porn is e.g. the pizza man coming over to find a lesbian party and getting his dick sucked 8 times. I don't care for sex in movies, but I don't have a problem with it because most of the time it is between two characters who love each other. The guy isn't doing it just so he can shoot a load on some slut's face. Not that I'm saying porn is better or worse than violence; I just think that the vast majority of porn is not about "love" or "creating life". With regards to violence, sometimes it is the only effective means to achieve something (revolutions, some wars, etc). But again, it is mostly portrayed being used to do wrong things for the wrong reasons. The world is a violent place, so for the most part I don't have a problem with violence. There is a lot of love in the world, too. While I do know people who have loving sex with their partners, I don't know anybody who's ever delivered a pizza to a lesbian lovefest.
I'm sorry, I don't get it. Were you trying to be funny?
I just love the smell of smug slashdotters in the morning.
It gives me a warm fuzzy to think Disney's DVD standard might be dictated by the porn industry.
Why go to larger format media when your average porn movie won't fill up today's DVD. If you're lucky the movie will be slightly longer than 60 minutes. Without additional content, there's no need for larger formats. Porn is so formulaic that the length of the movies will never change. Who the hell is going to sit passively through a four hour porn movie? Thus, except for sets of old material, there's not much need for larger formats.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Does anyone else remember Morgan Webb's interview of Mark Cuban where he said that HD porn was pretty gross?
Suddenly, there is a hope ... Just imagine the headline:
... yum-yum. Our lives are saved by Porn Industry.)
"In todays' news: Porn Industry mulls moving to IP v6".
(substitute IP v6 with Linux, Ogg Vorbis, Firefox,
So who will win? Will it be the larger producers who favour Blu-ray or the smaller ones who favour HD-DVD? I'd say that size matters and Blu-ray will win.
For entertainment, I do. But for archival purposes, I buy the CD and rip it to a FLAC file using EAC. I just want the absolute best format to be watching my movies in. I hate the idea that I'm missing out on so much visual detail in today's low-resolution, blurry DVDs, and I want the closest theatrical experience possible--whichever format permits the closest to that will be the one I want to support.
The jokes sort of write themselves.
They have been heavily involved in the development and early adopters of: online credit card transactions, streaming video/webcams, VHS, multi-angle DVDs, pop-up ads, affiliate programs, pay-per-view, 900 #s, geo-targetting... the list goes on.
You know those little statues they dig from excavation sites? Yeah, you know them. Thousands of years old ladies with big breasts and some weird dudes with XXXXXXL dicks.
Algologists tell us something like this: "Well, here we have a goddess of fertility. It seems that this cavemen community worshipped God with human body, specially a female body with 'fertile' body." Bollocks, I say. It's ancient porn!
So there you got it. Porn was the driving force even behind the art of sculpture making.
I just want the absolute most superior movie format for posterity's sake.
If your chosen format doesn't take off, many films won't get released on it. So it doesn't much matter how superior it is.
One side likes the higher capacity of Blu-ray...
Porn industry... size matters... there's a joke in there somewhere.
With the exception of few women, I don't think that bigger, sharper movies are better. Some blurriness keeps the fantasy nice and clean. Additionally, have you seen the kind of actors porn attracts? It's no wonder guys like lesbian porn. Remove the hairy, sweaty, fat guys and you get many times better porns. I don't wanna see them in high definition, thank you very much.
Yeah, so filming the scene with bad lighting using a home video camera from Best Buy wasn't the reason I can't see what's going on. It's the fact that DVD technology isn't up to the task of conveying your masterpiece into my TV.
DVD is OK for watching the latest Hollywood blockbusters filmed by experts using the latest and greatest equipment, but Mister ButtFreak's masterful cinematography skillz and trusty Kodak hand-held produce art on a level that DVD is just not able to convey.
This is what I thought was the difference also (MP2 vs MP4) however like you mentioned, they seem to support both codecs.
I wonder though what Sony is actually recommending in the blu-ray format for hardware manufacturers and movie manufacturers to use.
In my personal opinion using MPEG2 is just plain silly when they have MP4 at their disposal.
Also, I hear blu-ray is more complex and expensive to manufacture, although there's been news announcements (I think) from both camps mentioning "hybrid" dvd and blu-ray (or HD-DVD) discs now, which is a good crossover point.
I'm still waiting for 3D porn. Picture it if you will. Pornstar will large erection does the money shot at the camera. In 3D it would be cummin straight at you. Duck!
You say they're reactionaries, but a reactionary is ( An opponent of progress or liberalism; an extreme conservative. ).
Roget's gives a few antonyms for visionary:
mindless, stale, uncreative, unimaginative, uninspired, unoriginal, untalented, actual, authentic, factual, genuine, honest, real, truthful, down-to-earth, practical, pragmatic, realistic.
And my favorite: myopic or near-sighted. As for the industry, I'd say they're either pragmatic or realistic. Or single-minded.
How Ironic, that they're single-minded about making money while all the rest of us are single-minded about getting laid. (Power, sex and money are the 3 greatest motivators, I was taught. Strangely, I'm more motivated by knowledge than Power or money.)
I used to do credit card verification scripts for porn sites, and we were basically "the" first site to embrace SMS billing. During our trial run, we had 10 to 20 *thousand* people send anonymous sms's to our sms gateway, and we reverse billed the replies at about three pounds fifty a piece.
It just goes to show, if you can build it, there's a tug-happy chap who'll pay for it.
Why can't they just make a 10 hour VHS tape and be done with it?
On a related note, usually when we would rent porn before we would try to get something with 'plot'. Well porn plot is not exactly academy awards material, so when we tried out the wanted list we decided to get one with plot and one that was just totally out there. We got Double Anal Plugged (that link is definitely NOT safe for work) and it was the best time we ever had watching smut. She just loved the outtakes, nothing like money shots in eye, just funny stuff like the guys worried about if he might have any kids he does not know about, and all the really outrageously silly dialog (with very thick Eastern European accents in this case that were impossible not to laugh to). Oh and about the almost constant sex scenes, wow we never knew it was humanly possible to do what we were watching... So do you have any suggestions of other movies along those lines?
That looks a bit like this:
curl -e "http://www.my-thumbs.com/" -f "http://www.my-thumbs.com/ne-[10-86]/[01-16].jpg" -o "ne-#1-#2.jpg"
Is there any particular reason for using a huge shell script and wget?
A whole lot of free content from name writers' backlists, and if you're read the first several books in a series and you want to read the new one which is on sale, they will be very happy to sell it to you, either in dead tree or electronic formats.
NO DRM, and standard word processor document formats
I personally have purchased several books in electronic format from them that I probably wouldn't have bought otherwise.
Go check it out.
Tech Public Policy stuff
The new format is called a Blu-ray Disc because a blue laser is able to cram more data onto discs than the red rays currently used.
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"So there he is, risen from the dead. Like that fella, E. T." - Father Ted Crilly
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"So there he is, risen from the dead. Like that fella, E. T." - Father Ted Crilly