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New Intel Trademark Filed
jmanforever writes "Reuters is reporting that 'Intel Inside VIIV' and 'Intel VIIV' were filed as U.S. trademarks. The question is, what does VIIV mean? Could this be the Roman numerals for 6-4 indicating a 64-bit chip, or could this be the Roman numeral five twice, separated by two lines, indicating the dual cores of the Pentium 5 chip?"
Or maybe it's Pentium 6, performs like a Pentium 4? Similar to AMD XP1800+ is 1.5GHz but performs like a 1.8GHz Pentium.
Or maybe it's Pentium M2, after the success of Pentium M series. VIIV = upside down M with a II in the middle.
Or maybe it's Penitum 5 Dual Core? "Pentium V, 2 Inside"
Or maybe it's just a marketing stunt? Similar to Google's trademark application "Google R2D2".
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if it is pentium 5, it better be 64 bit.
Intel's finally breached the barrier and will be releasing a 75-bit processor?
Or did they patent a process where they do it all with mayonaisse, mustard and pickles?
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They just spelled "Viva la AMD" wrong.
Pentium 525. Dunno why, but it just sounds right.
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VIIV... VI = 6 IV = 4 VIIV = 64 C'mon, seriously?
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six, four. Hmm I wonder if it's for a 64 bit chip.
I didn't think about the 5 II 5 interpretation, and I doubt the market who needs to know "intel inside" would understand the symbol either way.
VI...IV - see, it's mirrored, hence 2 P4's.
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It's probably not designed to be pronouced numerically, just as "Viv" or similar (Veev?).
If Slashdot was running on a dual core P4, it'd have to be known as
Intel also registred:
MMDCL
which is the roman numeral for the temperature their new chip will run.
"The Pentium V is likely to fly along at between 5GHz to 7GHz, have 2MB plus of level two cache, be built on a 90 nanometer process, and have a stackable design." (Source, and another)
does anyone know what they mean by stackable design?
is this supposed to be taken literally? stacking one CPU on top of the other?
or just some buzzwords that mean nothing that this implies?
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I bet the Romans are going to be pissed about this...
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or 5 2 5
or 5 1 4
... but it can't be any of those, including 6 4, because that's not how roman numerals are composed. VIIV is nonsense as a roman numeral.
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VIIV
VII = 7 V = 5
75
7+5 = 12
1+2 = 3
75 is 3 * 25
5 is 2+3
VIIV is 525
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The official explanation is that '*' can stand for anything you consider your are (like artist).
"The question is, what does VIIV mean? Could this be the Roman numerals for 6-4 indicating a 64-bit chip, or could this be the Roman numeral five twice, separated by two lines, indicating the dual cores of the Pentium 5 chip?"
After this and this I'm forced to the conclusion that these three stories are three points on a grid forming a triangle corresponding with the location of Atlantis. Could it mean Slashdot editors are from another planet? Could it mean open source is to the renaissance as ancient greece is to atlantis?
I'm sure thinking "VIIV" == "64" is neat and all, but isn't sixty-four LXIV?
I know, I know--doesn't look as symmetrical or "cool". Doesn't Intel look dumb enough these days without putting together nonsensical combinations of letters for marketing purposes and trying to pass it off as intellectually hip or something?
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I don't know but the two potential explanations offered by the poster are pretty smart. Congrats.
Does Intel still hold a trademark on lower case "i"? When I first saw that (maybe in the mid 80s), I didn't realize that much worse was to come in the whole trademark / patent / copyright area.
yes the Intelites are going to be crucified.
I wouldn't stick something like that on my dog, that trademark is garbage.
No way they'll really use that.
And that is why they'd be able to trademark it. Can't trademark a number IIRC, which is why they opted for the Pentium name instead of 586. If it were actual Roman numerals, it would be a number and untrademarkable. Since it is nonsence, they can trademark it.
Sound like an explanatio to anybody else?
VIIV -> "V Isn't IV" -> "Pentium 5 Isn't Pentium 4"
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No, it's a picture of a vampire's front teeth! Intel has been taken over by the biters!
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How do you know it's not 525?
or 5115? or 75? or 514?
Marketing might not care about Roman numerals, but enough ordinary people in the world actually DO know enough roman numerals to know that that is crap AND to know that LXIV is 64.
It's like the stupid virii thing - it's not an alternative, it's WRONG.
They might as well call it the Pentium sicks-T-for
Afterall, it's not difficult to interpret that as 64.
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If V=P I=O then you have POOP !
It's perfectly clear that VIIV represents a row of teeth, of which the two outer ones are sharp fangs and the middle one is missing. That makes perfect sense for a company like Intel: vicious on the outside but kind of a hillbilly in the middle. Floating point errors, anyone?
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I guess if you HAD to read it literally it would probably be 10.
LXIX (a legit Roman numeral) would be 69 (50 + 10 + (10 - 1 [e.g. 9]))
By the same logic:
VIIV would be (5 + 1 + (5 - 1 [e.g. 4])) or 10.
However it's a lot simpler an a great deal more standard to put X if you want 10 so I'd have to agree it's some clever marketing gimmick that won't stand up to much logical scrutiny.
It could be a Pentium 5 with Intel Inside
Example:
V=5
II=Intel Inside
V=5
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If these are meant to be roman numerals, they're aiming to pretty illiterate people :-P
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It's the new Pentium 8 chip! V + IIV = VIII = 8.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
V is 5 IIV is 3 (although improper) so perhaps VIIV is 8? Although I think 64 is probably more likely to be the answer.
I dunno but I've got this image in my head of a wild-eyed man in a white coat standing over a chip with millions of volts coursing through it, shouting "Viiv! Viiiiiiiv!"
It's going to be dual core, everybody knows that... So if one core (a "Pentium IV" core) is the mirror image of the other, why don't call the other core "VI muitneP"?? Well, VIIV is much more appealing than "VI muitnePPentium IV" (the first P is supposed to be backwards)...
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Erm no? VIII is 8, VIIV makes absolutely no sense as a Roman Numeral.
I - 1
II - 2
III - 3
IV - 4
V - 5
VI - 6
VII - 7
VIII - 8
IX - 9
X - 10
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Pentium I (duh), Pentium II (also duh), Pentium IIV (well, technically it's wrong), Pentium IV (again, duh), they all use I and V. Maybe a Pentium V as well?
It's simply their multiple core pentium 5.
Don't get hung up on the Roman Numerals.
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Damn right we are.
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It could be:
<
=
<
or
>
=
>
Meaning, obviously, that this new Intel product is Less Than, Equal to, and Less Than
or
this new Intel Product is Greater Than, Equal To, and Greater Than
I think when we realize that it is being compared to AMD offerings, the orientation of the new trademark is obvious...
They patented "MMX" as well. Perhaps they have something planned for 2010?
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VIIV isn't VI(6E1)+IV(4E0). that's totally wrong. Romans used different letters to distinguish 1 (I), 5 (V), 10 (X), 50 (L), 100 (C), 500 (D), 1000 (M) You get magnitude relatives to the letter by subtracting (prefixing) or adding (postfixing) the preceding magnitude unit: 1 (I), 10(X), 100 (C) up to 3 symbols. That's a rough description mind you as this rule takes an exception on the 5* symbols which can't repeat (they're a sort of calculating cornerstone). Yeah it sucks, one wonders how they could get along commerce, taxes and precise civil engineering calculations with this method. So, an intel 64 should read "intel LXIV"... if they really intend to pursue this nomenclature we'll have a glorious laugh over here. (I'm typing from less than 1 mile away from the Appia Antica)
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It's Intel's version of \m/ But I think they're taking the Internet "surfing" metaphor too far.
...they wrote a routine to convert binary to Roman but unfortunately they used a floating point divide on one of their own CPUs and for some reason the letters came out funny...
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VII+V=12
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Obviously this caught the attention of some rather clever people, who have succeeded in finding positions of influence in Intel and whos goal is to restore women to their rightful place. Thus, the new logo
VIIV
is two women holding hands. For Intel's next offering I expect we will see
VXV
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No, since the number was computed by that new Intel chip, VIIV really means 64 (hint: think of the Pentium bug).
Searched TARR webserver with 2 results for VIIV. They both say the same, heres one result: Serial Number: 78534023
It's just intel leaking info that they're getting ready to release a G5-based laptop.
it should be Pentium IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIII. That would be cool plus everyone understands it immediately. Is there any confusion as to what this number is? No, there is not.
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Let me take a stab at the origin of Intel's "VIIV" trademark...
...[does Google Search]...
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Or maybe what they really want to do is start a new campaign based on the slogan "Intel VNV Nation" and this is just a first step.
It could happen.
Intel Inside VIIV? Who is VIVian and why is Intel inside her?
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On the first generation of the dual core chips, they designed one processor core (a prescott with some interconnects between chips), and they mirror one of the cores backwards so that the interconnects line up. Thus VI is IV backwards. It also happens to be 64, thats just some synergy.
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Will we finaly have processors that can do roman numeral math? It's about time!!! Finally new technology and no longer is it all about the gigahertz (they must have learnt their lesson).
Also the pronounciation, is it "Viv"? If so then I wonder if the chip will also have a job in the mornings at the local greacy spoon and finally start paying for some of that electricity bill!!!
One also wonders (not me though) if the "New" Roman numeral system will be used in which 64 would be represented as IIIIIIXXXXXXX which would look a lot cooler on the top of the processor, way better than VI IV but most importantly is also a very curious set of answers to the next ballot in my area. hmmmm,
Intel doesn't understand roman numerals.
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80286 = "286"
80386 = "386"
80486 = "486"
80586 = "Pentium" (faux latin for "Five")
80686 = "Pentium II" (fault latin + roman numberals for five-two)
Followed by... (in no particular order)
Celeron = cheap processor, faux latin for "fast" (based on, well, a whole lot of different actual Pentium chips dumbed down)
Xenon = Noble gas... Totally inert
Pentium III
Pentium 4
Itanium
So, duhh... of course the next one is Pentium VIIV
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yep, LXIV = 64 for the uninitiated, I=1, V=5, L=50, C=100, D=500, M=1000
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This is obviously the export only version. In Rome, a re-branded, but functionally identical processor will be available.
If, for some reason, Intel was working on a chip that would be labled "W", the next generation of that chip would be W2. A graphic artist may overlay the roman numeral two over the center of the W, so it looked like VIIV.
Of course, this theory falls to pieces if Intel doesn't actually have a prospective "W" chip.
So, duhh... of course the next one is Pentium VIIV
Based on your comment, I've decided that the Pentium VIIV should thus forth be pronounced 'Pentium Flivvle'
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But they could still trademark "Intel 64" and "Intel Inside 64", so what would be the point of the silly pseudo-Roman numerals?
I think they could also trademark a sufficiently unusual style of writing "64".
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It'll be a new heterogenous multiprocessor. It'll combine two Pentium 5's and two Pentium's on a single chip. You'll need the 2 P5's to satisfy Longhorn, leaving the Pentium's for running your spyware.
Now Intel is admitting it! VI=6 V+I+I+V=12 (6+6) Thus, 666. Obviously. On an ironic sidenote, they will be hot as hell.
V 'eye' V Sounds like five to me.
I think it is pronounced Vii v which sort of sounds like vibe. Hence it is the pentium Vibe Think of the advertising campaigns they can do with it! It also sound a bit like five. So it could be "get the intel inside pentium five vive. The only processor that allows you to do all your media editing and viewing tasks!" I wonder if it is going to speed up the internet, I mean we have not had any update in the speed of that since the Pentium 3 apparently did! :p
And for those of you saying why don't they change the Pentium brand name it is very clear. Unless they have a huge problem with it and everyone starts hating it they will keep it. I sell laptops and you would be amazed at the number of people who say to me "I don't want that laptop, it is not a pentium" while they are pointing at a centrino laptop! They should have called it the Intel Pentium Centrino!
Although I believe the VIIV = 64 might be likely. I think it could also be Voice 2 Voice telecommunications chip.
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I was under the impression you couldn't trademark a number, IE thats why Intel started using the word "Pentium" rather than 586. VIIV is a number in Roman Numerals and =10 VI is SIX and IV is FOUR. SIXTY FOUR in Roman numerals would be LXIV. So it looks like some dickhead marketeer thinks VIIV looks clever as 64 but it's actually 10.
True. Whatever it is, if VIIV is supposed to stand for 64, then it looks like Intel's history of math bugs has extended beyond the chips and into marketing.
How cool will it be if it means P4 core and Dothan Core (P5?) on the same chip which on the fly will determine which Core is most suited to the task at hand and balance the workload more efficiently.
Pentium..........(original)
Pentium II.......(twice as good)
Pentium III......(3x as good)
Pentium IV......(4x as good)
Pentium M.......(1000x as good)
Pentium MMX.(2010x as good)
Apparently the Pentium III-M and IV-M were fairly good chips too.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Some jackass at Intel was reading /. (instead of tring to make their processor un-suck), took a look at all of us losers with too much time on are hands and decided to give us a really mystery to ponder.
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My guess the two II's between the V's stand for "Intel Inside".
Intel Inside dual Pentium Fives (V's).
LXIV is the proper Roman Numeral for 64. But most of the mindless masses wouldn't know that.
Wasn't the cryptography of the new Intel chips names enough. Now they're taunting us with cryptoquips
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It turns out that Intel is creating an evil mirror universe twin of VI. It will use Clippy's CLI-based cousin VIgor! The editor will be embedded in the processor itself and will constantly offer suggestions whether you're running Windows or Linux. ("I see you've booted your computer, would you like to edit your Quicken folder with VIIV?")
The implications are mind-boggling. However, all is not lost. This could be the event that finally leads to a cease-fire in the vi-emacs flamewar. Both sides will put aside their differences and unite to stop the spread of the evil VIIV editor! Unite now! Stop VIIV before it edits you!
And remember: many Bothans died to get this information.
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"VIIV makes absolutely no sense as a Roman Numeral."
Not as *a* Roman numeral, but as a group of numerals.
In fact, it could be several.
5 1 1 5
5 2 5
5 1 4
6 4
7 5
I pick 6 4
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VIIV =
5115
525
514
53
615
64
75
paintball
What happens if you think about it interms of e-commerce. It might be V2V. A new e-commerce app their going to throw at us.?? Vehicle 2 Vehicle? Volts 2 Volts? Or with a russian accent... failure 2 fabulous
...it is both of the things mentioned in the post.
VIIV =
64 bit chip
with
2 Cores
2 P5's and 64 bits...
Some marketing guy/gal at Intel is hugging himself/herself over this one.
AFAIK:
:P
1. Their runes were made to be inscribed on wood. (Hence for example no curved lines. And no horizontal lines, which would be along the fiber and split the wood.)
2. They had no numerals at all.
Considering that they did a LOT of trading, seems to me like bookkeeping was a royal pain in the arse. Think about carving on wood something like "Sold two hundred fifty seven furs for one thousand seven hundred sixty eight coins". Sounds to me like an accountant back then needed serious physical condition
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Isn't that -2?
VIIV is one of the worst marketing names I can imagine.
obviously, irrefutably, vampire fangs.
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VIIV
see?
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Calling the 64-bit chip the VIIV would be fantastically idiotic marketing. They called their 586 the Pentium -- it sounds cool and has some logical basis ("pent" as in "5"). They liked it so much, they kept it even for the 686, 786, and 886 (which by all rights should be the hexium, septium, and octium). They instead called it the Pentium 2/3/4 because it's obvious which is best. VIIV is either unpronounceable or, if pronounced "veev", merely sounds ridiculous. Keep in mind this company likes names like Itanium, Centrino, Celeron, etc. No, they will not be releasing any "Veev" anytime soon. They likely will just call it the [something] 64, and 64 will be written in arabic numerals because people won't know what the hell VIIV is supposed to be -- we certainly don't, and it's not even a valid roman numeral. LXIV is 64, IIRC. As for VIIV being some sort of graphic representation of a new CPU structure, that can't be true either, again due to the reasons mentioned above.
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It clearly indicates that it is broken too...(/. space?)
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And VIIV looks cooler. Thats worth a lot to a company like Intel.
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If you live that close to the Via Appia Antica then you can pop out and look at the tombs at lunchtime (give Cecilia Metella my love) and check the story I heard from a classics don that IV and IX and XL were mediaeval contracted notations for IIII VIIII and XXXX and the ancient Romans never used them.
Incidentally, Roman numerals were used in written contracts for quite a long time after we started using Arabic ones for calculation, because it was harder to alter the amounts fraudulently after they'd been written.
Centurion: What's this thing? "Intel Inside VIIV"?
Marketing guy: It... it says "Intel Inside 64".
Centurion: No it doesn't. What are the roman numerals for 64 ?
Marketing guy hesitates
Centurion: Come on, come on!
Marketing guy: (uncertain) "XXXXXXIV?".
Centurion: What's the largest numeral smaller than 64?
Marketing guy: "Fifty?".
Centurion: Numeral for fifty is?
Marketing guy: "L".
Centurion: (takes legal forms from Marketing guy and writes over) "LXIII".
...the Pentium Pro! Wonder where that fits!!!
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Wow, none of you smartypants slashdotters know how to read roman numerals.
Will code a sig generator for food
5 or 5. Choose wisely
"Can't trademark a number IIRC"
Well then that would explain why google is spelled wrong.
Dual-core P5: five-bi-five
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Next is the R.I.P. Nice to see a monster start to fall though. Maybe the borg will follow.
The original poster seems to have missed other
interesting trademark options being held open
such as "Intel Inside F00F" and "Intel F00F".
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Just as I thought.
They're systematically patenting all roman numerals in a plot to capture and rebuild the ancient Roman empire!
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"I think whoever it was flunked Roman numerals in grade school," said Nathan Brookwood, the head of technology consulting firm Insight 64.
Check the source of their home page for any 1 pixel x 1 pixel images. That'll tell us for sure what they're up to.
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I guess this means they want to brand one of their 64-bit chips as the Pentium "five", which "viiv" sounds a bit like if you're a moron. Move along folks, nothing to see here...
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Just a point of _sourced_ information: the Oxford Classical Dictionary (3rd Edition) says that the "additive" (LXIIII) and "subtractive" (LXIV) are used in the Roman Period sometimes with both versions in the same document, but the additive was preferred in official inscriptions. So the subtractive is _not_ a mediaeval innovation.
There has been a lot of interesting speculation on the item - a good collection here:
r ch ives/002939.asp
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/implementation/a
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It's obvious that they just mirrored the roman numerual 'IV' because it will be 2xPentium4 processors.
Maybe they released info about their new patent. So, they can google it for good Ideas. ie. they don't know yet.
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