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Gnome 2.10 Released
Mad_Rain writes "The new version of Gnome (you know, the desktop of many Linux users?) has just been released. You can even try it out with a LiveCD (bittorrent link). There is a video player and CD-ripping utility included, and the all-important new splash screen!"
...are here.
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Gnome 2.1, now more like KDE!
New screenies here.
It's only a matter of time.
Does anyone else find something wrong with the progress/height chart on the new splash screen?
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There are 01 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and me.
Now with no new exciting features!
Packages are already in ubuntu hoary.
:)
just do an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade
I suppose it's another example of form over function, but there you go. Hopefully Enlightenment comes out soon.
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in the actual article. At least we still have the splash screens we can smoke their server with.
It's easy to compile that can be reincluded on Slackware? Patrick, can you confirm this?
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Bear in mind that if you're expecting this to be part of any distribution right now, you're going to be disappointed. The way this stuff works is that the package maintainer (in this case, the Gnome guys) releases it to the world. After that, the various distribution maintainers incorporate it into their distributions. So, expect to see this in the next major revision of the Linux distro you choose to use.
The Live CD will let you try it, but I don't know how complete a distribution it comes with.
Err, that should be "KDE trolls are koming"!
OK, that's my contribution to the obligatory stupid DE-related comments. I won't throw in a "But I just emerged 2.8!" (even though I just did).
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I always found it somewhat amusing that the same people who will sit and whine about people using the de facto low-quality operating system of new PCs will almost all happily chug away with the de facto window manager of their linux installation.
I always imagined it had something to do with the popularity of the "movement". All the old school guys are still banging around on the CLI or, at most, using one of the lightweight managers while all the kids just need to have their flashy GUI and whatnot on the dual-install box (yea, I'm a FreeBSD CLI snob, get over it).
I guess if Gnome works for you, more power to you, but while the support isn't there for the apps (unless you're paying for WineX or Xver Office or something, which is cool), I fail to see why I should get so worked up everytime a new version is released. I'm still waiting for a reasonable alternative to the underlying X server that isn't completely unheard of in 90% of the OSS world.
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...and better; I've been using it for a few years now and it's a fine piece of work.
I'm working on a Ruby binding for it that will make the data easier to get at, too... good times.
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From using the betas and now Gnome-2.10 on Hoary for some time now I have to say that this is indeed a great release. It's probably not so much about new incredible features, like including hal in 2.8, but a lot about small polishes and cleanups.
My only problem is that the Gnome devs thought it was a good idea not to have a menu editor and no other (easy) way to edit the menus. There will be one in 2.12 afaik, but right now I'm stuck without an easy way to edit my menu and that's annoying.
Anyway, great release and a pleasure to use. Thanks to all those involved.
Project GoneME is the first attempt to try moving the GNOME Desktop into a new direction. I got quite unhappy with the new direction that some core decision takers have chosen even if I do see that plenty of things that got changed in GNOME does indeed make sense, I on the otherhand think that some decisions have upset quite a lot of people including me and there was no possibility to bring these problems up on the GNOME Mailinglists or the IRC channel without getting yourself trapped into ugly discussions, slandering, defaming, mobbing or even stalking.
The people that I met and whom I was able to read and talk with, pointed out how much they dislike changes such as Buttonorder, GConf (often declared as Windows Registry), Spatial Nautilus, things like general inconsistencies, no real progress, speed issues, huge dependencies, instant apply without reverting to default, scrollkeeper and many more.
And here starts the Project GoneME. The intention is to create a community of people, who are willing and interested to help fixing these and other issues and make the vision of a usable Desktop in the means of good old Unix fashion become true. No fancy technology, no overhelming bloat and no dumbifying of peoples talent and skills using a computer. The idea is to not directly fork GNOME but to use their CVS modules and write patches that covers these things for the better.
The patches shouldn't be sent to Bugzilla or their GNOME Mailinglists because they most likely won't take them anyways or have them rot forever in the darkest place they have. The patches should temporarely be stored on a place, where people can download and patch them against GNOME CVS. I do feel sorry for these necessarity but I do see interests conflicts between their designmodel and the opinion of some users and developers.
The recent past has proven and shown that attempts like forks are necessary to lead into a better direction. For example there was gcc then egcs as fork which then became main gcc again. Same happens with XFree86 and Kdrive or Xorg at the moment. This could also happen for GNOME and the Project GoneME but depends on the available resources and contributing souls.
I don't have in mind to make Project GoneME become some sort of MacOSX replacement and I am also not in competition with Microsoft or Apple. All I want is a nice good looking Desktop that sits ontop of my Linux box where I control everything, where I feel happy. I don't have the idea to bloat GNOME more than it actually is or pump unnecessary new technology inside it or have them implemented in a half fashion. I am still a follower of good old Unix fashion and I also believe that our audience is important too and not just the Joe average user audience.
As you can see I brought up some points here which of course are a matter of change and a matter of further conversation and thinking. This is surely not targeted for people who like GNOME as it is now. It's more targeted to the audience who feel lost with GNOME at the moment and who are unhappy about the situation as it is now and who feel lost because they are not able to bring these points up in either IRC or the Mailinglists for conversation because of ugly treatment. We need to get in here and start changing the things slowly to become normal again. Please also note that you shouldn't expect changes over night. This idea must first manifest and people need to be found to help doing the work.
Actually I do like GNOME because of the fact that it is written in C (and therefore fits in the UNIX world) and it seamless ways how it fits into the filesystem after installation. That's quite clean in my opinion.
A problem I see is that GNOME itself wants to adopt all types of technology which somehow scares me e.g. a lot of talks about Storage, a lot of talks about MONO and Python and so on. Having different bindings for different languages is indeed a nice thing and people should be allowed to code their applications in what language they like and what they think is t
In the past, while typing something into one application when suddenly your instant messenger offered a chat request from your friend, your words would be typed into the chat window. Imagine if you were typing your password at the time. This should no longer happen in GNOME 2.10.
Ahh, finally. This was the most annoying thing for the longest time. I actually had to change my password twice because I unintentionally IMed it to someone else. I'm actually surprised that they didn't fix this a long time ago. It was a usability/security nightmare.
The gnome.org site is apparently having a devil of a time keeping up with the bandwidth.
Give the CoralCache a try. Nice and speedy for me.
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I think Microsoft has some competition, finally! Check out this from the release notes:
... MORE OBVIOUSLY, a button! Alright!
* The path button is now more obviously a button.
Wow, a button this is
* GNOME 2.10 introduces a new applet for controlling your Modem, integrated with GNOME System Tools.
Words fail me. I'm going to go out and get a modem, just so I can try this!
Finally,
* daily weather forecasts / Get even more weather
This one, I am not so sure of. Geeks don't leave the house! Why couldn't they make an applet that checks how much of their parents money they've spent living in their basements? How about how much more money they need before Scott Bakula will agree to do the next season of Enterprise? THAT would have been helpful.
When KDE's last beta was announced on slashdot, many people commented that a live CD was a really cool way of showing off the new system. Now we see Gnome taking this really cool feature out of KDE and incorporating it.
;-)
That is why we need to keep two desktops around. Whenever either one invents something cool, both get it. (Friendly) compertition seems by far the best form of improving software.
Oh, and why wasn't a garnome link posted?
I'd like to try this out on LiveCD, my question is, since I only have the built-in XP burning capability, what will I have to do to burn this image? Will it work automatically, or is there some other software I should download?
I've tried it once before but didn't really get into it. Would like to give it another shot.
Thanks.
There are gnome-2.10-pre ebuilds in portage now but they are all hard-masked. The only issue in terms of emerging is unmasking them and getting a libgnomecups-0.2.0.ebuild into net-print. As far as how its working... well... I'm compiling :P
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Is the Live-CD based off of any well-known distrobution? It would be neat if it was a repackaged version of Knoppix or some such, so that we know all the hardware detection would work.
>> I fail to see why I should get so worked up everytime a new version is released >>
I'm always amazed at how regardless of what is being announced, there is some ludicrously arrogant dork who complains that the announcement does not make him (one in six billion people on the planet) happy as if anyone would care.
Where do these people come from? Why are they unable to appreciate others' accomplishments? Is their ego so fragile that they can't accept a reality outside their subjective delusions of grandeur?
Mod these "snipers" as trolls, please, and let's get on with talking about Gnome.
I tend to use enlightenment (without all the eye candy effects) specifically because it DOESN'T try to imitate Windows like KDE and Gnome do. Maybe it's because my first real GUI (even before I used Windows) was twm, but I just find the KDE and Gnome default desktops to be far too clunky. I also find they tend to waste a lot of valuable screen real estate on silly things.
But yah, I also see the GUI primarily as a vehicle to more easily handle several concurrent CLI (xterm) instances, so I guess I'm just one of the old school nerds.
From the pics at the gnome site it look like they have included some cute window shadows equal to those found in OSX. Can anyone confirm that this indeed the case? Also, are there any words on when this will hit unstable?
Why Is everyone so obsessed with the weather??? Who CARES! Just as useless as an AOL ICON in your tasktray. umm, Maybe I should get out more?
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oh yeah, you must mean the Sun Java Desktop, without the little bit o' Sun java.
don't you have enough alternatives?
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I'm still waiting for a reasonable alternative to the underlying X server that isn't completely unheard of in 90% of the OSS world.
I'm not sure what you mean here, do you want a different implementation of the X protocol? If so, why not try Freedesktop.org's experimental XServer? It's quite a nice fast modular server. Are you looking for something other than X11 protocol? Then why not try DirectFB? DirectFB doesn't have enough supported applications for you? Why not try Quartz, which I imagine at least 90% of the OSS world as heard of. I don't really see a lack of options there.
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I have a 21" monitor. To me, that means more space for more xterms, or for making my xterm windows longer (more lines on the screen at once are good for programming), but that's just me.
I cannot open a file like http://www.marcusevans.com.au/pdf/413.pdf from any GNOME native application! In this case, I have to save the file on the disk then open it after. I was even more dissapointed when Adobe based their recently released PDF reader for Linux on GTK. This means that this issue lingers. Meanwhile, all that I am dissapointed with in GNOME is a snap and works like a charm in any KDE applcation. What the hell....!
Wow you had to really reach to find that soapbox huh? Sheesh.. talk about a pointless post.
Sigs are awesome huh?
While the market for them is so depressed, it'd be far more practical to ask people to contribute coding time rather than their souls, you'll just end up accumulating incorporeal entities if you don't..
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Why should they?
And why should Trolltech do it, they would immediately void their current business model.
How hard would it be to take the perfectly good XP desktop and implement it for the benefit of us new Linux powerusers?
Here you go, troll.
By the way, you should really replace the "perfectly good" in your sentence with "good enough" or "WORKSFORME".
you could try ubuntu --
the package integration is quite integrated to the desktop.
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Recently, I've been playing with Gnome on my computer (older version - 2.4). The rest of the family is set up with KDE and I used KDM to start it up. I think, comparing Gnome 2.4 to KDE 3.2, I'd have to give KDE the nod, but that's not to say that Gnome doesn't have it's strong points. Once of the things I do like better is Gnome's approach to menu editing. Instead of firing up a separate menu editor as with KDE, you just right-click on the menu and either edit the specific item via "properties" or add new items inline. I think that's a lot cleaner approach.
My main reason for trying Gnome was because I was fairly impressed with Evolution and I wanted to see it run in its favored desktop. I'm also considering installing Novell Linux on my next computer (which I will use for my "at home" work computer) so this is a way I can kinda get a feel for it.
I'll probably grab the liveCD and check it out.
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- Less feature churn.
- Less feature-creeping bloat.
- More consolidation of dependencies.
- More fixing of the long-standing bugs.
- More delivery of long-standing promises.
Every release seems to have a lot of superficial changes that don't seem to buy anything, but don't really address the issues that everyone seems to complain about. Example: you'd think that the gnome-panel would be pretty ironed out after a few years, but there are still at least a dozen "critical" unresolved bugs for it, where the panel just decides to crash or hang.It's not as glamorous as mating a couple of Bonobos and getting a new SVG Pango baby, but please, for the sake of your users, focus on the fit and finish. What good is a HIG if the average user is put off by all the splinters?
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> Hula and several other new applications were all being announced for Gnome.
Hula has absolutely nothing specific to GNOME.
Goneme was a project started in 2004 by someone who didn't like the placement of "accept" and "cancel" buttons and who spent countless hour trolling in osnews/slashdot. The only patch released is from July 2004, and it weights 24 KB. As it can be seen, the mailing list is full of everything except patches.
I only can define it as "dead project" - you really have to have something more than "button order preferences is wrong", "I hate windows registry" and "spatial nautilus is broken" to fork a project. Wow, "Mac OS X is better" - what a surprise. Tell me something I don't know. Not using gecko, use KHTML? Well...wow.
I'm not against forking projects, but this fork is ridiculous. No real reasons, real gnome problems are not mentioned, half of it can be solved by changing the default preferences and no code, etc etc
Many a time have I minimised a conversation only to realise after forgetting about it that I have several messages unread
To bringing down the GIMP.
As much as I love Gnome and its friendly rival KDE, I dislike how bloated it has become. It seems to tax my machine more than parliament (a little joke). I cried when I found my machine was running better under Win2000 than it was under Mandrake (I personally have switched to DSL ) .
Now, I am hardly advertising that to use a windows manager such as Fluxbox or IceWM would be the most intelligent alternative, since a lot of the 'bloat' in these window managers are features which makes said windows manager easier for those new to linux. But something has to be done; along the lines of a group to go through the source, and throwing-out weight. Removing redundant code, unnecessary code, and getting rid of as many memory-hogging resources as possible.
What I am advocating is a 'slim-fast' project, to try to modify KDE or gnome to the point that it is smaller, faster, and yet still useable by Linux newbies. A true challenge, and just as important as adding features. Remember the Soviet stance in technology - The more complex an object, the more likely it is to fail.
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Maybe it should be "KDE trolls are Kumming?"
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I prefer "KDE trolls are just as bad as Apple fanboys"
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Personally I've tried the lightweight window managers and found them wanting. I can do more, more easily, in KDE, or Gnome once I've rethemed it, than any of the "old-school" lightweight WMs. And I care about new releases because they usually bring very useful improvements. I haven't tried this release, but I certainly noticed important differences last time I upgraded, and they did make it more efficient for me.
I am trolling
That's such a long post that I think you should've included a BitTorrent link to it.
Well, a quick google found this: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?re lease=234&slide=1
There were other hits too, but the first 60 screenshots is probably enough ;-)
this still happens all the time on windows xp sp 2
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The 2.12 release is what i'm excited about... the cairo implementation, better compositing support (aka transparency and shadows... fading in and out of windows etc), gstreamer, dbus, Beagle, Mono, memory reduction...
2.10 has some nice improvements and what one should consider as a release that smooths over some issues. But it's nothing terribly exciting and new. Hopefully 2.12 will be a release that blows people away.
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You could probably boot it from withinQEMU
huh?
I use KDE, but I also have Gnome installed and neither one of them take up any screen real estate. Set your panels to autohide and you can, as I have done for years, use the whole 100% of the screen for whatever program your run.
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
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If you don't care about the new Gnome coming out...then why post a comment on it?
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All I want is the features back that were dropped between 1.4 and 2.0. Most
notably, in terms of the panel. The 1.2/1.4 panel is *significantly* more
functional than the 2.x one has yet managed to become. Most notably, in 1.x
I can have a tiny always-on-top clock panel, which I can drag to anyplace I
want it. (I keep it just to the left of where the minimize/shade/etc buttons
on a maximized window are, so that it covers up an empty section of titlebar.)
When is Gnome 2 going to get these features back?
Actually, the panel is the only part of Gnome that I really care about. I
don't use the default window manager anyhow, and I *certainly* don't use that
Nautilus junk. (Haven't needed a GUI file manager since tab completion was
invented, and I don't need shortcut icons on the desktop either, because panel
drawers are better, and have freed me from the need to obsessively minimize
everything all the time; I haven't seen my wallpaper in days, and I don't
miss it.) I don't use the web browser, because I have Firefox. I don't
use Gnome Office, because I have OpenOffice. Really, the panel is the key
feature I need from Gnome. (And it's the panel -- and its extremely useful
drawers feature -- that keeps me from switching to KDE or something else.)
In summary, the panel is really important, so, please, please, can we have
the 1.x panel features back? Until we get those, new Gnome releases are of
no interest to me.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
I'd have to concur.
My employer defaults to a gnome desktop as did my university, and i've run kde on all my own systems.
It may just be a preference, but i find i'm a lot more productive on a kde system than a gnome one.
Most people I talk to who use Linux have expressed a strong preference for KDE over GNOME.
I think that both efforts are producing bloated junk. They are so CPU sucking, hideously complex, and hard to customize I cannot understand why they are widely used. I laugh they the proponents of these think they are fit for grandma. Use xfce, or better yet WindowMaker. At least some sanity remains with those.
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Or try a from source distro like Gentoo. I've only used it for a few weeks (and I'm really liking it!) but it seems like most new (versions of) programs get included really quickly.
Admittedly, it'll probably be a little longer for something like Gnome than other programs, but still pretty fast.
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How hard is it for the editors to include a mirror link in the write-up? I mean, why does Slashdot take particular pride in taking out some server or the other? Being an enlightened community, shouldn't the basic rules of netiquette be adhered to?
Seriously, this whole slashdotting thing has gone on far too long. I can't access the site to read TFA even if I want to!
I'll switch to 2.10 as soon, as I can log to Gnome after KDE and come back to KDE without my ~/Desktop broken. And with drag&drop working between Gnome and KDE apps.
I used Gentoo for awhile, but the huge times it took to update the system started to get to me. Plus, Ubuntu is polished enough that I can recommend it to family for casual use.
Does it still feel sluggish on lower end machines?
If you have xorg 6.8.x installed you can get a program called xcompmgr which is really just a hack to show off these effects. Really the windowmanager should be doing these things and in the future they will. If you have the nvidia drivers you can also turn on hardware acceleration. As I said it's really just a hack but in time it will be come stable and fast.
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My sweet little sticky notes applet! I initially wrote it to scratch an itch, and stopped working on it after the Gnome 2.4 release. It's nice to see that it's been maintained well. Hopefully, once I return to the US, I can take care of my baby again. :) And to all of you who sent me mail about it, thanks, and sorry I haven't replied to any of them for so long.
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As far as I know neither no one at Gnome has gotten paid by Novell or Redhat or whatever (Have they giving grants? That is slightly different...). If you talking about "paid" in the sense they are contributing patches maybe it is because their patches are far more redily accepted in Gnome than KDE. Less we forget that unfortunate stuff with the original Bluecurve project some KDE people pooh-pooh-ed.
I'm not surprised at all projects turned their back on KDE or are far more willing to contribute to Gnome to me. And it looks like KDE gives outsiders (those not directly involved in core KDE) little reason too.
Of all the hard working people that have mad Gnome 2.10 then why on earth is there a picture of John Flack on the release note page????
Why does Gnome keep using spatial Nautilus as default? I mean, people hated it a decade ago in Win95/NT4, and they still hate it now. I know you can change it with gconf-editor but why do they keep using something as the default that so many people absolutely detest? (Can you find one sane person outside of the Gnome dev's who likes spatial Nautilus?)
And while I'm at it, why does Gnome have icons that look really dull?(color wise) I'm not fond of everything in KDE, but atleast their icons look somewhat eye appealing.
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Have you ever used GNOME for a while? It is a little more complicated, but I find that, compared to KDE, it is much more consistent and explorable. (I think GNOME vs. KDE is a left- vs. right-brain thing: GNOME appeals more to logical, analytical people while KDE appeals more to intuitive and creative people. Maybe I'm just making stuff up.)
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If anyone has tried the new release allready... Are the Gnome-team doing anything to reduce the amount of bloat?
Not trolling or anything, I love Gnome, but the amount of resources required almost makes my P4 seem slow, and I find that kinda strange. I'd love to see the developers try to optimize the code a little bit better, and maybe even add the option to deactivate/remove unwanted components.
Because, even as much as I like Gnome, it's huge a resource hogging beast, and I can't really see the reason why it should need to be.
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your the same moron on OS News. Gnome is trying to EXPAND their user base by providing a system that is streamlined for those who do not wish to muck around with garbage.
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You're totally right about the Windows 95 look. Someone over at gnome should definitely pick another new default themeset. And icons. The new features however are not pathetic, as you say. Some of them are quite cool and you'd love Redmond or the Apple folks give attention to such detail.
Now if only Gimp was more like Photoshop...
Ubuntu 5.04, due on April 6th, will ship with Gnome 2.10. Might have something to do with the fact that Gnome's release manager Jeff Waugh also happens to be Ubuntu's release manager.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
And I thought they had released a new version of lawn gnomes. They've been riding version 2 since the 70s :(
Hurrah for Xfce!
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The light source for the foot shadow is from below and left. The light source for the white text shadow is from above. Wussup widdat? Or is it just me?
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"Joy is contagious," he said, peering into the microscope.
Many people hate the new splash screen. No offense to him, but it's my opinion that the selector of the splash has particularly bad taste. There were several better ones.
I think I speak for everyone when I say, who's that girl?
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Its a Ubuntu LiveCD. .... so no joy.
Oh, and if anyone wants to try the ISO in qemu, it hangs here in the "preparing language settings" step
So you are basically saying that there are few genuine Gnome apps.
... Try to install these on a KDE-only system and you'll see.
And I agree with that. Most so-called Gnome apps are really GTK-apps. Especially the more advanced features like Bonobo are seldomly used.
KDE is different. I see a lot more interoperability and consistency accross the board of KDE-apps. (I may be mistaken about that, but that's my subjective experience)
True Gnome apps come with a load of dependencies, as well. Gnumeric, GnuCash,
so why should I? I personally think it looks crappy and ameture. Nat Friedman, the creator of Ximian, had this to say about it:
"Also, I don't like the winning login splash for GNOME 2.10. It is poorly chosen.
Why? Because the chooser (and I really don't know who chose it) made the classic mistake of failing to distinguish between things that are interesting to the user and things that are interesting to the team building the software. To the team of hackers behind the project, it is interesting and noteworthy that this is a new release of GNOME, and that with each release it gets a little better. It is worth taking note of this milestone, and celebrating it.
And that is what the height-chart theme of the splash screen suggests. But it is not interesting to the user. There is utility in putting the version number in the splash, but the main role of the splash screen design should probably be to convey the personality of the desktop the user is about to experience, not how long it has been under development. "
I agree with him.
...none of them remind me of Amiga OS or OS/2 in terms of bass ackward interfaces with idiotic nomenclature pulled out of someone's rear. From that stance, both KDE and Gnome are getting much better every revision. I'm inclined to use both as the mood strikes.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
Yeah only yesterday did i find a way to get KDE running at work. For the last 18 months i've been doing my day to day work on gnome and found it really cumbersome. Not windows cumbersome, but still denting my productivity.
I find gnomes load/save dialogs to be far less efficient that KDE's. In any kde app i can open up files on remote servers using fish://servername.domain and it does magic with ssh.
Kate and cervisia are both really cool. I can't even find a syntax highlighting editor as standard in my employers gnome distro.
Admittedly their gnome distro seems pretty old to me, but i'm running kde 3.1 which i'm sure is equally dated.
I've always thought i was the logical analytical type... but who knows.
Also kde seems like a dream to develop for. KDevelop is probably the best OS ide i've seen (maybe eclipse is slightly ahead) and the kde apis are incredibly clean and well thought out. My brief adventures with developing gnome stuff suggest it's not the same.
I think you're using the wrong distro. Try Mandrake or Linspire instead.
In Mandrake, configuring software is a snap. Launch the "Mandrake Control Center", and choose from "Insall new software", "Remove Software" and "Update software". Everything available is listed in a nice tree sorted by category, and there's even a search available (so I can search for "Breakout" clones). Check off what you want installed, press "Install", and everything is set up automatically, placed into nice categorized menus (such as "Games" or "Office").
AFAIK, Linsipre's Click-n-run warehouse is quite simmilar.
And the bigger question is, why do they click the "Read more" link, click the "Reply" button, and go through the trouble of writing up a post about how uninterested they are?
The easier way would have been to--gasp--skip over the article on the front page. I do it all the time for articles I'm not interested in.
New GNOME releases still take a month or two to filter down to the stable branches.
So we might get it at the end of April or the beginning of May, sooner if you want unstable packages.
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Does Windows or Mac OS X release every 6 months?
No.
A new default theme is coming up, possibly in 2.12 from what I've gathered.
I dont want to install.. just knoppix boot.
Anyone know?
I find gnomes load/save dialogs to be far less efficient that KDE's. In any kde app i can open up files on remote servers using fish://servername.domain and it does magic with ssh.
Gnome-VFS enabled applications can do that aswell. I've got several FTP and SFTP sites set up in my network locations, and they show up in the left side of any open or save dialog.
Kate and cervisia are both really cool. I can't even find a syntax highlighting editor as standard in my employers gnome distro.
GEdit is Gnome's default editor and has syntax highlighting for quite a bunch of languages. Blame your employer. :)
I have to agree with you on the lack of a good Gnome IDE. Not saying KDevelop is any good, I've never used it in fact. But there's just no single IDE that has ever suited my taste so far, and I can't seem to get anything properly off the ground myself. Guess I'll stick to Midnight Commander some more.
I would love to see the new theme, and no, those desktop environemnts don't get updated every 6 months.
Having said that, Gnome still looks like Win95, and how long has Gnome being released?
BTW - Don't know why I was modded "troll", I dislike the graphic non design of that desktop environment. How's that trolling?
- sigs are for wimps.
Hm OK, but...
More apps that have never been bundled with gnome as official apps: abiword, gnumeric, gnome-db, balsa, xmms, gaim, gimp, inkscape, gthumb, openoffice, gqview..
Some of these apps are listed under http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/. IMO that makes them "official". In the past the GNOME-Office hompepage listed a lot more apps as parts of GNOME-Office (The GIMP was one of them). Now they cut the number down to three apps.
Well a lot of people have their opinion about stuff, and it's heavily tainted by corporate and governmental, as well as political party brainwashing. Some friends of mine are republican, and get mad when we spend $300 million on a space probe to measure solar dust, and it crashing is just confirmation to them that it's a waste of money. I made the mistake of saying well if we don't do any research or anything, well we may as well just give up electric light and microwaves and just go back to the dark ages!!! Seriously pissed my friend off. The previous gnome announcement was like that. Seriously, my friend is an intelligent person, but has some hang ups. So in my opinion, a protest against software patents would probably do more good without the inflammatory language.
i see
so we we should disregard people's post saying that it is too heavy to run on a 128 Mb Ram machine?
If you are worried about no window snapping, Gnome has a much bigger problem in that. With the default Metacity window mananger, you can't move the top of windows up off the top of the screen at all with alt-drag, which leaves it all feeling quite claustrophobic. It's been that way for a long time now, and no sign of it getting fixed.
I've been using sawfish to get around that issue, but sawfish seems unmaintained now. Anyone got ideas of a different WM to drop in in order to get window movement in all directions?
i don't do two clicks
i do one click - previously a window bar button
as to the etc: configuration is hard and unintuitive, some apps are still terribly slow and unstable: epiphany, evolution, vlc. gnome-terminal feels weird. icons disappear often from apps. sticky notes are limited in functionality/flexibility.
i want a desktop to help my work the same as you - which is why I've migrated to Linux.
if a gadget helps me achieve that: color-chooser, configurable snapshot viewer, pixel-ruler, so much the better.
i like the principle of choice - but that should be widened not limited.
i would love to see gnome being my desktop manager of choice, since that was my first entry point into Linux, version after version I see that is not going to happen.
i am a bit of a linux noob although i have installed SuSE, redhat, fedora and have used ubuntu, knoppix, SuSE and some other live cd's. what i don't understand is how gnome has its own live cd. don't you need a distribution for gnome to run on? isn't is just a desktop manager?
what am i missing here?
sorry i meant totem not vlc. :)
vlc never worked well anywhere / anyway
forgot to add menu-editing to my "ambiguous" etc.
thanks for listening.
KDE sucks, QT is ugly.
KWM?
*ducks*
You could try using the XFCE window manager -- xfwm -noxfce -- though I haven't actually tried this so it might not play nice with Gnome, but I don't see why it wouldn't offhand.
Bears don't normally eat things that talk and move backwards.
I forget which version of GNOME came with RedHat 9.0, but I rememer it being easier to edit the content of menus. I also remember being able to use sawtooth instead of Nautilus and liking it a LOT more. There seem to be fewer customization options now.
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
I find gnomes load/save dialogs to be far less efficient that KDE's. In any kde app i can open up files on remote servers using fish://servername.domain and it does magic with ssh.
I think ctrl-L is what you are looking for. It's not very intuitive at all, and much like spacial nautilus the location entry should be part of the widget. However it's much more intuitive to use ssh://servername.domain, than fish:// I think.
Expand their user base by removing popular, useful features?
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
I'm not trolling, I'm actually interested in why Gnome would have a splash screen. I can understand a general 'Linux' splashscreen when the OS starts up, and some of the larger applications having their own brief splash screen when they start up, but why would Gnome, a middle-man utility, have a splash screen?
Why would a user even need to know what Gnome is, let alone that it's starting up? It would be like Inetd putting up a splash screen when you booted up, or X Windows, or bash giving its own banner when you logged in. They're utilities, individual building-blocks of the system, that the user shouldn't need to know about, they're not the OS, they're not the apps, you don't see Windows or Mac OS putting up a second splash screen for the thing that does the taskbar and puts the icons on the background.
Also I wonder why out of all the important OSS projects, only Gnome, KDE and Firefox seem to get slashdot stories when they come up with a small update.
not kwite
I want more ppl to move to linux, I care.
fine - from now on it will be karma-whoring all the way
so onto the practice:
Gnome and KDE can be seen as complimentary to each other and not conflicting,
we would move along a more constructively road.
Let us all be grateful we at least have a choice!!
To say either of them is bad just shows the small-minded of some, very sad.
So please, please folks let us all get along together shall ok?? Must I beg?
i don't do two clicks
i do one click - previously a window bar button
Too bad. If that's how you (and the another person thinking same, in Siberia), feel, good riddance, KDE with it's millions "in your face" controls is clearly the right one for you.
GNOME developers won't cave in and make the desktop unnecessarily cluttered for MILLIONS of people because one person somewhere thinks his need for one mouse click instead of 2 once every five years overrides all those other folks. And they should feel haunted over it? Bullshit, they should, and probably are, proud.
is it the user-base or just their own selves they've been developing for?
User-base. One that you clearly don't represent. Not all users want the same things you want.
Completely agree. Epiphany has a really intergrated feel, but I miss the FF plugins (specifically Scrapbook, Dictionary Search, Plain Text Links... actually there are a lot of them).
The latest epiphany-extensions package contains a dictionary lookup extension that integrates with gnome-dictionary. For the other functionality you mention, we welcome more extensions. They can even be written in Python now!
they've removed - big difference.
just imagine them tampering with my other fave app:
time to install Vidalinux to my sister's laptop.
another saved soul.
Will wait to hear on her unbiased experiences
- she never used Linux or even KDE before
Thanks, i'll give that a shot next time i'm using gnome.
although I doubt that Google can index something that got released today
h tml
Yeah, it's beta 1. About a month old.
The "mold" is theme. It isn't the default one, either.
Bunch of better screenshots here http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/ and here http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/rnwhatsnew.
Yes, removed things most beginners are better without, eg. made it more user friendly.
Airbrush is something most gimp users use, often. Stay on top button is something most people never use. See the difference?
How would you feel it they took up the gimp and added _every operation it can do_, no matter how rarely needed, from the menus to the tool palette? That's what you're asking them to do.
if they added many things rarely needed - i'd be pissed off
... is not a handy feature to have. I first learnt about stay-on-top in Windows (Nvidia-taskbar)
.. a front page, with nicely-laidout feed (not the bulky left-pane you get in KDE), plus weather report to N stations around the world (Rio, London, Helsinki) ..
if they removed something helped my productivity - i'd be pissed off
which is what happened
think of your best feature in an app or desktop environment
don't lie in saying you wouldn't be annoyed if such a regular feature was removed.
can't see how the stay-on-top button (optional set from a preference panel - not even set by default)
evolution the same, such a joy that stuff was
"oh we believe people don't need it, we know what is best for them" (hence scrap).
if only i was alone on this.
still default desktop of vidalinux is gnome
installation is finished.
- and i won't say a thing,
let the feedback of a true newbie be the verdict.
if she likes it fine - i will let her get on with it
i definitely wont spoil her enjoyment.
THANK GOD. Maybe now I'll actually be able to use metacity instead of replacing it with xfwm4.
Hmmm, well that seems to be the only change that I care about. I can happily wait for this to appear in (say) Fedora Core 4, no rush to upgrade here.