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UCSB Student Engineers Grade Hack

An anonymous reader writes "The UCSB Daily Nexus reports "A UCSB student is being charged with four felonies after she allegedly stole the identity of two professors and used the information to change her own and several other students' grades, police said." The article goes on to note that, though working a few tricks to get into the system, she was fairly unsophisticated, and in fact failed to conceal her IP address from authorities. With other computing snafus recently making headlines, are universities too careless with their data?"

544 comments

  1. Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blowjob would have done the same without all this popularity. Huh .. kids will never learn.

    1. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gee, no wonder women are leaving it.

      Geeks are starting to act like construction workers..."if a woman wants to get ahead, all she has to do is suck some dick."

    2. Re:Blowjob by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Professor, I will do ANYTHING to get an A. (wink wink nudge nudge"

      "Well then, why don't you try studying?"

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    3. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously reply: Well baby, pass with yo ass

    4. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you saying it's not true? sucking dick can lead to all sorts of career opportunities (q.v. Lewinsky)

    5. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because they never have sex.

      All that pent up sexual frustration does some crazy things to a man's psyche. Hell, some of them get so deluded they start believing in the Ladder Theory.

    6. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Mind you, it's not the only thing they can do to get ahead.

      And if she has to resort to hacking, maybe she doesn't deserve to get ahead. On the other hand, if she succeeded in hacking, maybe there is some redeeming quality about her. Then again, she did get caught, so she's either not smart enough or just unlucky.

      And finally, how many men would perform sexual favors on a possibly fugly and old female professor for an A?

    7. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      welcome to life...

      sex can get you ahead in life (doesnt mean thats the only way though)

      but then again i thought women were leaving it the same way lots of men are leaving too. because the dotcom era is over and you actually have to want to do IT and not just htink its an easy job with lots of money

    8. Re:Blowjob by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 4, Funny

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    9. Re:Blowjob by DarKry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fact of the matter is this is just going to happen more and more often. University networks are wide open, first there are computer labs where any one can sit down and pop in a knoppix std cd. then they can fire up ettercap and go to town on everything getting passed on the switch. When campuses use SSL protected systems for grades it is just asking for trouble. Its just a matter of time before Joe Blow will have eery profs passwords. Once that happens it can be tempting to change a couple grades here and there. And grades are nothing compared to the other information that can be obtained, SSN's of the entire campus for instance... Basicly ARP needs to get secure because there is really no way for a college (that has to have an open network to function) can be a safe place to send important data back and forth. Maybe the solution is a private network for profs with the important info on it. Good lesson though.

    10. Re:Blowjob by R.Caley · · Score: 5, Funny
      Gee, no wonder women are leaving it.

      What with men having the advantage because they give better blowjobs you mean?

      "if a woman wants to get ahead, all she has to do is suck some dick."

      Strange choice of example. It says that men are easily corrupted by offers of trivial sexual favours. It doesn't say anything negative about women at all.

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    11. Re:Blowjob by hazem · · Score: 1

      Isn't this where you use routers and switched networks to prevent this kind of snooping?

      The uni should use routers to connect different spans for Administrative (where the grades are stored), professor's computers, labs, and finally dorms.

      The admin span should only accept external connections from the Prof span, and not the lab and dorm span.

      Put everything on switches rather than hubs, and your sniffers shouldn't see too much at all. The prof can still connect via ssl into the admin span, but even so, a student can't sniff his connection because he's connected via a switch.

      Am I misunderstanding how these things work?

    12. Re:Blowjob by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Strange choice of example. It says that men are easily corrupted by offers of trivial sexual favours. It doesn't say anything negative about women at all.

      Doesn't it say that they're sluts who have no skills in IT and just give blowjobs to get promoted? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    13. Re:Blowjob by infiniti99 · · Score: 1

      Strange choice of example. It says that men are easily corrupted by offers of trivial sexual favours. It doesn't say anything negative about women at all.

      The fact is that men are n00bs in the game of life and so women choose to play with a handicap in order to make it fair.

    14. Re:Blowjob by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      Doesn't it say that they're sluts who have no skills in IT

      Er, no. Read it again.

      It says nothing about women or their behaviour, it is purely an assertion that they have an option open to them.

      If I said `if a nerd wants to get a pay rise, all they have to do is hack the company personel files', that does not imply that all nerds are dishonest. It's a statement about a single-point weakness in company organisation.

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    15. Re:Blowjob by PGillingwater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, you're right -- you have misunderstood. Any switched network will happily deliver packets to the wrong port if the MITM has used ARP cache poisoning, by feeding fake ARP information to the client and server -- the switch won't protect you from being sniffed unless it locks MAC addresses to IP addresses (which most switches don't do.)

      As I see it, the only options are:

      1) Eliminate ARP entirely, by locking ARP caches with fixed addresses of critical devices (an administrative nightmare);
      2) Use an IDS to look for bogus ARP chatter, and respond very quickly to illegal injections.

      Naturally, my company designs software to do the latter. We scan the CAM tables of all switches constantly, and correlate with the ARP caches on routers, and alert on any discrepancies. We sell only into high-end security accounts, including Banks.

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    16. Re:Blowjob by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, if she succeeded in hacking, maybe there is some redeeming quality about her.

      OTOH, what does it say about the IQ of the staff at UCSB?

      Maybe the value of a degree should be weighted by the level of complete idiocy shown by the staff.

      Those of you with Harvard degrees, recycle them as firelighters now:-).

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    17. Re:Blowjob by NoMercy · · Score: 1

      Not always enough, sometimes you need telepathic powers to work out what the lecturer wants from a project, since they kindly ommited any of it from the assignment sheet and put down something completely diferent.

      But hey, didn't affect my final grade in the end, but I'm still peved he got away with it.

    18. Re:Blowjob by c_g_hills · · Score: 2, Informative

      802.1x with EAP-TLS or PEAP prevents this kind of "attack", by requiring the client to present a certificate to the switch before it is permitted onto the network. Primarly used in wireless networks, it is now gaining ground in wired networks, especially in academic networks where there is the problem of having network ports accessible to all and sundry.

    19. Re:Blowjob by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Informative

      University networks are wide open, first there are computer labs where any one can sit down and pop in a knoppix std cd...

      Well, here's one solution - set the BIOS not to boot from CD. Set a sensible BIOS password. That's that problem sorted.

      Seriously, I don't know why so many people bang on about Linux-on-a-CD being dangerous; it's like ActiveX - it's only dangerous if your computer setup allows it to be.

    20. Re:Blowjob by DarKry · · Score: 1

      but again you have the problem of empty ethernet jacks in the lab designed for students to be able to access the network with their laptops, wireless networks, all sorts of ways in. The only realy solution for now that I see to this is a seperate switch that only profs have access to. Grades and confidentials would only be allowed on this one switch, which would again be a nightmare to admin. Anybody have anothwer solution to this?

    21. Re:Blowjob by c_g_hills · · Score: 1

      The solution is 802.1x

    22. Re:Blowjob by RWerp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It says nothing about women or their behaviour, it is purely an assertion that they have an option open to them.

      You're assuming a lot. I know a lot of people who'd fire a woman offering a blowjob for a favour, if they were her employer/boss.

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    23. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What with men having the advantage because they give better blowjobs you mean?

      actually...gay men probably do give better blowjobs only because they already got da equipment.

    24. Re:Blowjob by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      You're assuming a lot.

      Like what?

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    25. Re:Blowjob by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of a VPN?

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    26. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't say anything negative about women at all.

      That's a fact, the worst I ever had was wonderful.

    27. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a lot of people who'd fire a woman offering a blowjob for a favour

      Wait, would they fire the woman then offer to give her a blowjob? That doesn't make sense.

    28. Re:Blowjob by DenDave · · Score: 1

      Are you insinuating a blowjob would have alleviated your professors behaviour? ROFL!!

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    29. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is there a "+1, nice try but no dice" mod?

    30. Re:Blowjob by pegr · · Score: 1

      Not always enough, sometimes you need telepathic powers to work out what the lecturer wants from a project, since they kindly ommited any of it from the assignment sheet and put down something completely diferent.

      Well, isn't the purpose of education to prepare you for life in the business world? Sounds fair to me...

    31. Re:Blowjob by Bastian · · Score: 1

      It worked at my school, though not a private network, just semi-segregated subnets - certain network resources were only available to computers on certain subnets. These secure subnets were all on fully-switched copper wire networks.

      Sadly, there was still no mechanism in place to force faculty and staff (or students) to use something other than, say, their university ID number as their password.

    32. Re:Blowjob by locr1an · · Score: 5, Funny

      oh, men are usually so easy we don't *have* to offer a blowjob... I remember I used to manage an auto shop, and occasionally when things were slow I'd pull my car into the garage and change the oil, tune it up, etc. I kid you not, all I'd have to do is put my car on the lift and say in a tired voice "this drain plugs on really tight!" Next thing you know I'd have two guys working on my car to prove how easy it all is while I drank my coffee and listened to the radio show. please women...let them think they help us, let them think *they is* so so smart before you mess up my whole M.O.!!!

    33. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ".let them think they help us, let them think *they is* so so smart before you mess up my whole M.O.!!!


      I wouldn't consider loosening an oil cap particulary "smart," but they might however think that theys is strong.

    34. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a coincidence! Your graph totally resembles a /.

    35. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that worked, there would be more of them in power.

    36. Re:Blowjob by m0ok1e · · Score: 1

      Seriously, All a female student needs to do is show some flesh and the grades "just happen" to go up. Kids today need to learn to K.I.S.S.

    37. Re:Blowjob by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      The thing is ARP is fine, all you really need is a good VPN solution. Just make profs connect to the VPN when doing offical records access or entry. Most private schools could deploy such a solution for profs for about they charge one student to attend. Much better though not perfect security could be had very cheaply with very minor changes to existing systems.

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    38. Re:Blowjob by Monoman · · Score: 1

      University networks should not be "wide open". Put students on a seperate VLAN (or their own LAN). Employees go on another VLAN (or LAN).

      Restrict access to the eGrade type systems to Employee VLANs and still use good application security.

      Better yet, specific IP addresses within the Employee IP networks if feasible becuase not every employee needs access to the eGrade system. Some employees might even be up for some extra cash.

      oh and lock the BIOS so that evil knoppix-std CD won't boot. ;-)

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    39. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      True Story:


      "What do I need to do to get an 'A'?"


      "The question is, 'What you need to do to keep your 'C'?'"

    40. Re:Blowjob by Jimmy+The+Leper · · Score: 1

      I certainly hope not!

      I could perform fully in most jobs after finishing 1st year (this is from experience in a co-op system). What were the other 3 years of my degree for?

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    41. Re:Blowjob by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      they kindly ommited any of it from the assignment sheet and put down something completely diferent.

      Let me help. That was obviously an assignment about Monty Python. Thus all the winking and the nudging.

    42. Re:Blowjob by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know a lot of people who'd fire a woman offering a blowjob for a favour, if they were her employer/boss.

      Resumes, man! I need resumes!

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    43. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never met a girl capable of decent blowjobs who knew anything about knoppix let alone Sexually Transmitted Disease Knoppix.

    44. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm... I've tried shit like this before and never got it through the lameness filter... you hacked the filter?

    45. Re:Blowjob by skarphace · · Score: 0

      >Next thing you know I'd have two guys working on my car to prove how easy it all is Actually, they were probably trying to be nice and help you. It's women like you that destroys our trust in all women.

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    46. Re:Blowjob by WaterBreath · · Score: 1

      What were the other 3 years of my degree for?

      To prove that your tolerance for bullcrap has a satisfactory lifetime. Four years should be enough for any manager to get his money's worth of abuse out of you. If it turns out you can stand it even longer, that's icing on the cake!

      Yes, I am that cynical. About mid to large sized companies at least.

    47. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome, an ASCII penis. Just what I needed today. Thanks.

    48. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He used "i" as his filler character instead of, say, a period or otherwise "junk" character.

    49. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. ala "theres something about mary"

      "whens the only time a guy thinks clearly...after having sex"

      cause you are no longer thinking about getting ass

    50. Re:Blowjob by Magius_AR · · Score: 1
      You're proud of the fact you take advantage of and abuse the goodwill of others? It's comments like that that make me want to write off your entire gender as a bunch of selfish, uncaring bitches and stay single for the rest of my life. The funny (and ironic) thing is that you probably feel in "the right" and consider yourself a nice and decent person too.

      *spit*

    51. Re:Blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This perfectly illustrates the sort of person you are.

    52. Re:Blowjob by rhuntley12 · · Score: 1

      Simple, the wrong sex is doing the offering then?

    53. Re:Blowjob by gatzke · · Score: 1


      I used to study with my stripper friend Melissa at GT. She was hot and a good CHE.

      She told me she once went to a professer honestly asking him for a better grade in class. She said she even used the classic quote "I will do anything for an A". She meant do extra classwork, but she said he looked at her a little funny, and she did not realize why until later.

    54. Re:Blowjob by RWerp · · Score: 1

      No, they're simply decent. I know it's hard to come by here ;-)

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  2. Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    She might have gotten away with it if she had used an open wireless access point - shoulda changed the grades at Starbucks! ;-)

    Mainstream Media could take a lesson from the UCSB guys - nice writeup with some nice details that explain things pretty well - good read.

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    1. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ugh. chicks are hacking their college grades now.

      Comp sci has suddenly become too common for me, I need a new career.

    2. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by obsol33t · · Score: 1

      Nexus articles are always very informative, I miss reading them. Granted, much of the coverage is of drunken hijinks, but details make those kind of stories even more amusing.

      "You told the cop to suck your What?!?!"

    3. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by jd · · Score: 5, Funny
      She might have gotten away with it if she had used an open wireless access point


      Nonono! The line is "if it hadn't been for those pesky kids and that dog!"

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    4. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
      Comp sci has suddenly become too common for me, I need a new career.

      Try physics then.

    5. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, changing the account with your name on it won't give a damn thing away as long as your IP is untraceable. Who'd think to look at your name.

      A smarter hacker would infect the system with a script that would gradually, over time, boost their GPA in a difficult to trace method. Maybe figure out a minor improvement that you'd make every day to all students that had a student id number that fit a given algorithm.. where your own id just happens to be one that comes up most frequently. Say that your student number was divisable by 3 so one day you'd improve all that were divesable by 3, the next day 6, the next day 9, and back to 3, or some such pattern. (More complex is better.. just an example..)

      Gee.. in my day we actually used some imagination when hacking the schools computers. Of course I never bothered altering my grades. I was more interested on messing with the lab rats. (sysadmins, lab monitors, etc)

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    6. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by DarKry · · Score: 1

      It was HER grades that she changed... I mean come on.

    7. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by R.Caley · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A smarter hacker would infect the system with a script that would gradually, over time, boost their GPA

      Anythig which boosts your score is going to point at you.

      What you want to do is plant evidence of the professors having a bias against you. Subtle things. Enough to form the basis of an appeal. Then you drop your grades in your good subjects so a review will see that you are a victim and give you a pass.

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    8. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Compuser · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's why when I was grading homeworks I
      made sure to keep copies of everything. Even now,
      close to a decade later I have a thick folder with
      the copies. If a review comes up, I will be ready
      even twenty years from now.

    9. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      She might have gotten away with it if she had used an open wireless access point

      Not really; TFA says a discrepancey in the grades was noticed and that started the investigation. Since she changed her own and her roomate's grade's she would have been udner suspicion; though she might have gotten away without a criminal conviction.

      The USB spokesman said "the integrity and security of our grading system is intact and was not compromised". Well, the method she used was simply knowing the profs' SSNs, which enabled her to reset their passwords. That seems like a gaping stupid hole that was probably instituted because of forgetful professors insisted on it. Why don't they just use Stick-it notes on their monitors like everyone else?

    10. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meddling kids

    11. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Ramirez allegedly accessed eGrades, there was no attempt to mask or hide the location from which she entered the system, Schmidt said. Although she didn't try to hide her IP address, Schmidt said her understanding how the UCSB NetID authentication system worked and how it related to the eGrades system required some technical savvy. I fail to see how this required any level of technical savvy. You're resetting a password for god's sake. I'm willing to bet that anyone could do the same thing, without even working at a bank. DOB's are easily googleable and the social security number can be easily had if you want to pay oh say 19.99 to a prviate investigation firm (along with any other dirt in a Prof's life for blackmail).

    12. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, she would not have gotten away with much because they detected the instrusion.

      Her grades would not have been boosted. She might not have been caught, but she would not have accomplished anything.

    13. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you boost everyone in the class.

    14. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about just studying and being a good student?

    15. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Ansonmont · · Score: 1

      How is that easier than studying? Seems like a lot of work to plant evidence of bias just to get a good grade.

      Anyway, it might work, but my favorite method of grade grubbing was to do the "aw shucks, prof, I'm workin real hard, but this [subject] stuff is just too hard." then go to class, don't do the readings, and still get a B!

    16. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by jasonla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I am the author of the article.

      Thank you for the kind comments, xmas2003 and obsol33t.

      I'd like to clarify and reply to some of the comments made on Slashdot, if you would allow.

      I did not think this incidient could be considered "hacking." Notice that we didn't use the terms "hacker," "hacked," "exploited" or "compromised" in the headlines or article when describing what happened. Like the article says, there were technically not exploits in the system -- no SQL injection, buffer overflow, XSS, etc.

      Not every person could repeat what Ramirez allegedly did. Her job gave her a specific access to personal information. It's really a case of identity theft, a felony offense. The police are responsible for charging Ramirez, not the university.

      When reading the story, you have to remember that it's a general newspaper, not 2600 or the like. The three (3) paragraphs, out of roughly 30, about the knowledge required to enter eGrades was included to give readers a perspective on the difficulty level needed to do what the perpetrator did. "Was this person a 'true hacker' or was it something simpler than that?"

      The phrase, "required some technical savvy," was meant to indicate a small amount, not emphasize, of technical knowledge was needed.

      Also, the lede -- the first sentence in a news article -- states, the grades of several students, not just Ramirez's and her roommate's, were changed. Police would not release further specific details about others' changes because of the ongoing investigation, as the article stated.

      Schmidt, as far as I know, is a very competent network programmer/sysadmin/computer geek. He's also pleasant on the phone. =) I'm guessing he simplified his statements because he was talking to the press and did not know if I had any technical knowledge. For the record, I know enough. =)

    17. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just mod up every student's grade. Every onebecomes a suspect. The worst that could happen-all grades are thrown out which pisses the honest students off. Mean while you sit back and join in the outrage...

      -j

    18. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by jackbird · · Score: 1

      Unless you were killed when your house collapsed under the weight of all your paper.

    19. Re:Shoulda used an open wireless access point! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is way too complicated and dangerous. Rather, she could have "hacked" the system with SSN and DoB like she did (but from an anonymous access point), and randomly re-assigned all the grades.

      -> Scenario A: they have backups. She lost an hour of work, but nothing else, and is only one of hundreds of suspects. Fall back on Parent plan.

      -> Scenario B: they do not have backups. Big trouble for the uni. She gets to re-take the exams along with everybody else.

      Scenario A is much more likely, but even a small chance of a great gain can be worth the next-to-nothing risk of such a "hack".

      But in the end, people intellectually able to approach such problems in an effective way never face them in the first place.

  3. Bad Student by weldon416 · · Score: 1

    she cant keep up at school, or while hacking the teachers.

  4. Carelessness ? by mirko · · Score: 1

    No, I'm not sure the universities are that careless.
    They're also supposed to initiate the students to some very basical social behaviour and these don't include cheating and stealing identities.
    I'd suggest thy just eject the faulty students because they failed at being responsible grown ups.

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    1. Re:Carelessness ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not sufficient. I'd suggest thy execute the faulty students by firing squad because THEY FAIL IT.

    2. Re:Carelessness ? by utlemming · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At my University there is a strict honor code. Every Winter semester students must be endorsed, meaning that they have met with an advisor and have committed to abide by the rules of the honor code. There are only about 70 people that can do the endorsements on campus. A failure to get endorsed means that you are no longer a student and you are blocked from registering. For some of my volunteer work, I am the clerk for one of these advisors. One of the things the advisor asked me to do was to enter in endorsements into the computer. We were given a six digit number to sign in, with a ten digit, alpha-numeric, randomly assigned password. The letter with the password did not come with the sign in. Further, the letter stated that the University doesn't even know the password, so it should be kept safe. Advisors were asked to keep the password in strict confidence, and not to disclose them to anyone, under any circumstances. To top it off, the University set it so that there was a narrow time period for the endorsements to be done. So assuming that you managed to find out the user name for you advisor, you would have to brute force the password within time.
      Needless to say, I would argue, at least at my school, they are not careless. In fact, I would argue that they are erring on the side that someone will try to hack the system. But the school also takes computer issues seriously. The computer use policy is very strict, and makes it clear that abuse of a computer, on or off campus is grounds for getting expelled.

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    3. Re:Carelessness ? by mirko · · Score: 1

      Seems that somebody quickly understood that "PENCIL" was not the way to go. ;) Anyway, I maintain it's a social, not technical issue.

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    4. Re:Carelessness ? by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      If part of the school's intent is to teach ethics, then carelessness in the security sense is a non-issue, as long as they: (a) have some method for detecting intrusions, (b) have a reliable system for reversing the changes, and (c) make sure the repercusions are well publicized.

      I'm actually kinda suprised we don't hear about this sort of thing more often.

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    5. Re:Carelessness ? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      So if someone wants to stay in school but disobey the honor code, they can either spend a great deal of effort to hack the system...

      Or just lie and say they'll follow the honor code? Why go through all that trouble to safeguard a system that can be circumvented verbally?

    6. Re:Carelessness ? by doormat · · Score: 1

      At my University there is a strict honor code. Every Winter semester students must be endorsed, meaning that they have met with an advisor and have committed to abide by the rules of the honor code.

      BYU? I figure it some ultra-religious university...

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    7. Re:Carelessness ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ok, you've made a convincing case that your school is very thorough and diligent at making sure each and every student makes a meaningless gesture each and every semester (the honor codes I've heard of were generally encountered once at entrance, with something like 'by attending school here you promise to abide by the honor code (see attached)', though there might have been a separate 'sign here to acknowledge you've read and understood these terms'). At least that serves a legal purpose (documenting that the students know the rules they're required to follow).

      Do they protect the databases of grades and personal information (e.g. student social security numbers) as thoroughly?

    8. Re:Carelessness ? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      We were given a six digit number to sign in, with a ten digit, alpha-numeric, randomly assigned password. The letter with the password did not come with the sign in. Further, the letter stated that the University doesn't even know the password, so it should be kept safe. Advisors were asked to keep the password in strict confidence, and not to disclose them to anyone, under any circumstances. To top it off, the University set it so that there was a narrow time period for the endorsements to be done.

      But presumably nobody on campus is going to hack the honor code because that would be a breach of the honor code. So why bother with the high-tech security?

    9. Re:Carelessness ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the hell is the point of taking an oath?

      seems like a major waste of time.

      its not a lack of knowledge about what is wrong.

      students know it is wrong, whether they chose to cheat or not has absolutely nothing to do with acknowledging it is wrong in the form of an oath

      the security youj have is good though.

      the oath, well some people need to be fired cause there are way to many employees at that school.

    10. Re:Carelessness ? by telstar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Advisors were asked to keep the password in strict confidence, and not to disclose them to anyone, under any circumstances."

      "For some of my volunteer work, I am the clerk for one of these advisors. One of the things the advisor asked me to do was to enter in endorsements into the computer."
      • Yeah, looks like the security system is functioning flawlessly.

      • They don't, by chance, ask advisors to sign the same affirmation to abide by all the rules, do they?

    11. Re:Carelessness ? by geekwithglasses · · Score: 1

      Let me say, hazza hazza to you and your university. Mine on the other hand is lax at best and pathetic at worst for things like this.

      SSN's float arround on EVERY bit of paper that the university issues to you. If you don't want to use your SSN as your student ID, you are required to jump through so many hoops, it makes most students who once cared about privacy just give up.

      With amature social engineering skills, it was VERY easy to impersonate a teachers aid and get all manner of things like fees waived, classes opened for additional students, complimentary meals at the dining hall, copies of students records sent off site. The list goes on.

      Student working in the IT department meant that I had 'extra' access, as teachers would easily and with little thought give up their passwords to me. All I had to do was mention the IT department and with out showing so much as a badge or name tag or ANY proof there of, I was given access to teachers email accounts, computer logins, and in some cases, their remote access usernames and passwords.

      I shutter to think what I might have gotten into had I not spent the MAJOJRITY of my time concentrating on the important things of college life (girls, file sharing, girls, wapping files with girls, ummmm, girls, file sharing, damn). All in all though, without the lax security, I couldn't have impressed nearly as many girls with my ability to get them free lunch and waived late registration fees.

    12. Re:Carelessness ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. When reading that post I thought they were going to do something like give each student a sheet with all the passwords to the system.

      Isn't that how honor codes usually work? Take home tests but no reference material or stuff like that?

    13. Re:Carelessness ? by Lobachevsky · · Score: 1

      Further, the letter stated that the University doesn't even know the password, so it should be kept safe Does any organization keep anything of more informational value than just the salted hash of the password? "We can reset your password, but cannot retrieve your password for you." is the typical disclaimer sent out. Hooray for hash pre-images being difficult.

  5. well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if only unsophisticated hackers can get into the system, we have nothing to worry about! carry on...

  6. Can't Hack It by Teknobob · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess it brings a new meaning to not being able to hack it in college.
    *ducks*

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    1. Re:Can't Hack It by amanox · · Score: 1

      Duck?
      what duck?

    2. Re:Can't Hack It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying something about Psychology Majors?

  7. Pfft... this is nothing by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can beat this by a mile. A friend-of-a-friend of mine got busted for changing 3 of her failing grades to A's. How? All the grades are filed electronically. She guessed one professor's password; two other times, she called up campus IT services, claimed to be a professor so-and-so, claimed she should log in, and could they change the password for her? And IT services happily went along. She was busted for (among other things) federal identity theft, which always struck me as odd since it never crossed state lines.

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    1. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      This makes no sense to me. If you're going to change it, why not just change it to a P (pass, or numerical equivalent thereof)? Much less risk of detetction, and if you *do* get caught, you've got the excuse "Why would I change it to 51% if I could have changed it to 90%?"

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    2. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by novakyu · · Score: 1
      This makes no sense to me. If you're going to change it, why not just change it to a P (pass, or numerical equivalent thereof)? Much less risk of detetction, and if you *do* get caught, you've got the excuse "Why would I change it to 51% if I could have changed it to 90%?"

      I don't know how it works in other schools, but in my school, my instructors do not know whether I'm taking the class P/NP or for letter grade. They simply give me a letter grade when they submit grades, and the registration system gives me P/NP (if I chose that option) based on a certain criterion (i.e. C or higher for pass). So, if you wanted to change your grading option, you would have to hack someone else's account (I don't know whose it might be though... the college counselor? The dean?)

      Also, if the class was required for her major, this might not be an option, as requirements for majors may not be taken (once again, at least at my school) P/NP. In fact, if a class (say, freshman calculus, which is MATH 1A and 1B here) was taken P/NP and later you changed your major to something that required that course, you were in serious trouble, since that class could not be taken again for credit and the major department would take only letter-graded credits. (I'm sure there are ways to wiggle yourself out of this (approval of department head, use of internal records of the letter grade received, etc.) but I wouldn't want to go there, if possible.)

    3. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your risking a felony, and the punishment is the same no matter what, and the odds of getting caught aren't different, then why not bet maximum.

      She/He was probably betting she'd get to after the professor submitted it, and the professor wouldn't look a the grade nor think of her ever again.

      But then again I went to a large university.

    4. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Kids... in my days, we (as in "people from my class") just used to amend the grades book if a teacher left it unguarded. It worked on paper just great.

      Also, teachers used to just send a kid to fetch the grades book from the teachers' room every time they forgot to bring it with them.

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    5. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by rm999 · · Score: 1

      She changed her professor's passwords? Of course she'll get caught! She's an idiot (oh wait, this was already established when she failed 3 classes).

    6. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by cpeterso · · Score: 1


      Was the professor's password "pencil"? If there is anything WARGAMES taught me, it is that you should only give yourself a C, not an A.

    7. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by Kjella · · Score: 1

      two other times, she called up campus IT services, claimed to be a professor so-and-so, claimed she should log in, and could they change the password for her? And IT services happily went along.

      And if they kept a decent log they'd see a) new password b) grade change c) new password (to real prof., since he couldn't log in). Note that they were already investigating it after the first instance (not counting the guessed password).

      With some bad luck (particularly if there's a separation between student and staff IT services), it could even be the same person taking both calls. In short, IT services is being user-friendly and she's an idiot.

      Kjella

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    8. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      She was busted for (among other things) federal identity theft, which always struck me as odd since it never crossed state lines.

      I'm gonna take a wild guess, but maybe federal funding allows a federal jurisdiction?

    9. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by berzerke · · Score: 1

      She changed her professor's passwords? Of course she'll get caught! She's an idiot (oh wait, this was already established when she failed 3 classes).

      I wonder, if she's an idiot but could still break into the system, what's that make the person(s) who designed the security for the system?

    10. Re:Pfft... this is nothing by blogeasy · · Score: 1

      She might also consider changing several random students grades at the same time so as to create a larger array of suspects. This would make it difficult for police to track down which student altered the grades, although it might also create a greater chance of being detected overall because more grades are affected now.

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  8. Who needs programmatic security... by kwoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... when the policy enforced by the program is broken to begin with?

    From TFA:

    The university's grading system, eGrades, is an in-house program that professors can access via the Internet to submit and alter students' grades. eGrades uses UCSB NetID, a campuswide authentication system, to check a user's identity. If a user forgets their password, they can reset it by entering their Social Security number and date of birth, Schmidt said.

    This is evil. SSNs and DoBs are far too easy to find. The suspect worked for an insurance agency, but it would not be difficult to find this information through other means.

    For more examples of such problems in systems, check out Risks Digest.

    1. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by stewby18 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But on the other hand:

      When a grade is altered, a feedback system is automatically triggered to inform professors and the Registrar's Office of the changes.

      "There's basically a feedback mechanism, and ultimately, it comes back to the feedback mechanism and the individual department trying to reconcile grades and saying 'It doesn't look like this is correct and how can this happen?'"

      So while the access point security is awful, there are processes in place to flag potential problems. At least they are practicing security in depth, even if one of their layers is paper-thin.

    2. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by kwoo · · Score: 1
      So while the access point security is awful, there are processes in place to flag potential problems. At least they are practicing security in depth, even if one of their layers is paper-thin.

      Excellent point, and agreed. Prevention only goes so far, but an audit goes as far as you want it to.

    3. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by jschottm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SSNs and DoBs are far too easy to find.

      My $CREDITCARDCOMPANY just got gobbled up by a bigger one. One of their "innovations" is that you can't have an arbitrary ID - it has to be all numbers and defaults to your SSN. I had a little talk with one of their managers who said "that's the way it is and we have no intention of changing it" who suggested that I could use my phone number instead of my SSN if I wanted an easy to remember but "more" secure ID.

      On top of that, their passwords are currently alphanumeric only, which makes me guess that they aren't hashing the passwords and are storing the password in plaintext in the the database (yes, you'd have to be really stupid to do that, but these guys give every indication of being that dumb), which means anyone that does penetrate their db system has all kinds of good stuff at his/her fingertips.

      They're my soon to be ex-$CREDITCARDCOMPANY...

    4. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by ethank · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I'm a teacher at UCSB, so I've used eGrade before.

      eGrades security is far worse than that. It doesn't require a social security number and date of birth, rather it uses the "university id" that at student uses to login to some campus wireless networks, campus e-mail and the uweb/ustorage accounts.

      Here's the login interface:

      http://www.egrades.sa.ucsb.edu/

      Resetting the password requires:

      Last Name, Perm Number (id number), last four of social and birthdate.

      Obtaining these, albeit not easy is not that hard at all.

    5. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by Dzerzhinski · · Score: 1

      I work for an insurance administrator that handles benefits for educators, including several junior colleges, and we use SSNs as an account identifier. One would assume its not difficult to find a program that the college offers (like an employee benefit program) and you can take your pick of profs to steal IDs. And I am a college student, also. Supposedly my employer is one of the best in the industry, which if true does not reflect well on the industry. This would probably be an easy scam to run on a larger scale.

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    6. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by kwoo · · Score: 1

      I worked for a university about eight years ago, and there was nothing like this in use there at that time. There was much talk among the faculty about "wouldn't it be nice if...", and there was some talk among us staff about "wouldn't it be cool to...", but it never happened (while I was there).

      From your perspective, what would be the best way to handle lost passwords? It's easy for me (as a programmer/admin geek) to say "show up in person, show photo ID with university ID, and we'll give you a temporary password that you have to change at first login" and write that into the system -- but what would you, as a user of the system, want to see?

      Thanks again for the reply and the pointer.

    7. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they're really that bad you should tell us what credit card company it is!

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    8. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by The-Perl-CD-Bookshel · · Score: 1
      What would happen if a student used your login credentials to forward the e-mail from your account to a hotmail account, change the grade, then turn off the forwarding filter? Is this possible? I go to Rutgers and I know the university advertises its e-mail forwarding feature for its accounts during the webmail log in. Not only would you not be aware of the grade change, but you would also miss any important e-mails sent to you during the break-in.

      Also, if they have your e-mail login information they could just set-up Thunderbird to fetch new e-mails at a faster rate than your client and delete messages from the server, thus getting the e-mails before your inbox is made aware (that's assuming that your computer is even turned on during the attack). Couple this with an open access point at Starbucks and your university (probably many) have something to worry about.

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    9. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the default password is the SSN. A lot of people don't bother changing their passwords.

    10. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Financial institution" of "second word in the name of two very large land masses", if you want to know.

    11. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha, hi ethan! it's steve. the murmurs.com link gave it away. =) no slashdot acct though, so i'm posting AC. woo!

    12. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by whodkne · · Score: 1

      What a CRAPPY SYSTEM! I could easily do a lot of stuff without logging in... search the staff database... submit one of their names for a new ID... then be told their current ID.. and request a new password.. Of course, I get this: "The password reset feature has been disabled. Please contact us to reset your password." Talk about not very secure.

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    13. Re:Who needs programmatic security... by epsalon · · Score: 1

      That's nothing... I'm a TA. Today I changed a students' grade without identifying myself to a secretary that didn't know me. She just believed me when I said I was a TA in the course (I told her my name) and asked to modify a grade due to clerical error. She changed it right in front of me.

  9. Short answer: no. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    According to the article, this was merely social engineering at work, as "the person guilty of changing the grades fraudulently obtained passwords using personal information of faculty members who have access to the grading system, Desruisseaux said."

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    1. Re:Short answer: no. by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 1

      According to the article, this was merely social engineering at work

      She got their SSN and Date of Birth out of her companies' database. (She works at an insurance company.) I'm not sure how much of that is "social engineering," unless I am mistaking the term.

    2. Re:Short answer: no. by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      That would not be social engineering. That would be fraud. People go to prison for a long time for stealing confidential information.

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  10. Tor and Privoxy by dolo666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The least she could have done was use Tor and Privoxy. Oh well. So much for changing her grade. Now that she's going to be a bonified convict, she can pull down the six figures like Mitnick.

    1. Re:Tor and Privoxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      They should just be happy that a woman is interested in computers!

  11. From TFA by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "It's not like 300 grades were changed or anything like that," he said. "It's not even close."

    Like one person getting credit for something they didn't do isn't enough... its got to be mass fraud to care?

    "It's believed at this time that [Ramirez] accessed the computer system from her house," Signa said. "There is also a second indication that the computer was accessed at one point from the office where she worked, so its believed [she used eGrades at] both locations."

    Idiot!

    1. Re:From TFA by stewby18 · · Score: 1

      Well, in a way I guess it's true. After all, nothing was done to actually compromise their security--the crappy, inadequete security of their system is in no way reduced as a result of what happened.

    2. Re:From TFA by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      *The Security of the grading system is INTACT? Hell yeah!*

      yes, if there was nothing to begin with. amazing that fucking average web forum has more security than that.

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    3. Re:From TFA by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's intact. Of course, it's also completely useless. Any security system based entirely on a simple (predictable) username + (often guessable, and weak) password is laughable. This is only compounded by the ease of resetting the password.

    4. Re:From TFA by jjr1 · · Score: 1

      Since she logged in as the professor, she should have changed the email address to contact, then made several seemingly random grade promotions in the class from somewhere where her ip couldn't be traced. Then, a day or two later she should go in and change the emails back. Doesn't sound that hard and it's definitely easier than studying.

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  12. Professor mistakes by suso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in 1997 I saw my computer science professor log into his sun box, which was being projected onto a screen for everyone to see. He started to login, but didn't realize that he was typing his password into the username field, thus making it visible. I looked around the room to see if anyone was hurriedly writing down his password. Amazingly, nobody was. Or they were being conspicuous about it.

    1. Re:Professor mistakes by Nik13 · · Score: 0

      It's not a big deal if something like this happens, it's only a matter of changing your password at that very moment (ctrl-alt-del > change password in windows, not sure about sun boxes...). But I suppose lots of people won't see the real danger and would just keep it for convenience.

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    2. Re:Professor mistakes by bonch · · Score: 1, Funny

      In comp science class in high school, we switched the keyboards of two computers and actually convinced a student to type his password into Telnet for us. When the password wasn't appearing on screen, we shrugged cluelessly.

      We used the password to change his website into a massive gay porn site with images grabbed from Manhole.com. We put a giant ASCII penis in his signature file. And for good measure, we got his character stuck in an unescapable place in Dark Castle. All in the name of deviousness.

    3. Re:Professor mistakes by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Back in 1997 I saw my computer science professor log into his sun box, which was being projected onto a screen for everyone to see.

      I had an instructor who did the same thing. Except his password was 26 characters long. He did denied that it started with the letter 'a' and ended with the letter 'z'. Go figure.

    4. Re:Professor mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about your school, but really, does it require even a shred of talent to remember up to 20 characters? I would hope everyone in the department I'm working in is able to do that.

    5. Re:Professor mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I would think you would have noticed someone being conspicuous about it...

    6. Re:Professor mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't know about your school, but really, does it require even a shred of talent to remember up to 20 characters? I would hope everyone in the department I'm working in is able to do that.

      Er... you have to realize, if the password is chosen well (as it's supposed to), remembering 20 characters is nothing like remembering a word that is 20 characters long: it's more like remembering 3 license plate numbers, except you also have to remember the different capitalizations. It'd be not too difficult to remember it for a minute, and maybe if you say it to yourself repeated, you might even remember it completely, but that's something long enough that, if I wanted to make sure that I didn't forget, I would write it down.

      Of course, for the person who came up with that password, it probably means something for him, so it's easier for him to remember.

    7. Re:Professor mistakes by Ours · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well I remember during database class, the teacher was making a demo with a e-commerce form on the projector. He was filling out a payment form with his name, address and all. He was almost done when most of the class realised that he didn't type random numbers for his credit card number: he was holding his card in his hand! The teacher must have suddently realised what risk his was exposing himself and quickly finished with his demo making sure he closed the form that contained all his info. 30 seconds more his credit would have been in trouble. Or at least he would have gotten some very interresting mail orders delivered.

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    8. Re:Professor mistakes by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      In 1991, my CS-major roommate had a department-mandated Amiga running unix. The college didn't want to be bothered with people who messed up their boxes, so the root password (which was the same for every students box) was kept secret. If you had a problem, the support staff would gladly re-ghost your drive for you, but that's all. And, of course, a professor did exactly the same thing you saw... except the password opened everyone's box!

      I was in the EE department. How the CS department ever came to the decision to not allow root is beyond me -- aren't they supposed to teach? And if professors can't solve a problem without su, what do they expect students to do? Anyway, the damage wasn't as bad as it could have been - ethernet didn't come to the dorms until a few years later. (we were using special modems to dial each other and mainframes)

    9. Re:Professor mistakes by Alioth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, in the days of vt320 terminals, you could just write a little shell script that would look like the terminal server, then look like the login: prompt of whatever machine the student was going to. Much fun was had with that one.

      These days, it's a bit more complex (Microsoft would like you believe that it's impossible because of the ctrl-alt-del secure attention sequence, but if you have physical access to the hardware, well, you can just replace the GINA with your evil version), but still very possible so I do have to be a little paranoid of public terminals!

    10. Re:Professor mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's inconspicuous you retard.

    11. Re:Professor mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it started with z? ;)

    12. Re:Professor mistakes by edremy · · Score: 1
      I actually did this last semester during IST103, a course that the entire first year student body had to take. (There's no local display in the lecture hall, so sometimes you have to crane your neck and I just wasn't looking.) It was before the start of the class, but there were probably 100 people there.

      Worse, I'm a system admin so I have rights on many of the machines on campus.

      I changed it the instant I got back to my office. Luckily we won't have wireless access in that hall.

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    13. Re:Professor mistakes by Joe123456 · · Score: 0

      You can run ghost on a Amiga?

    14. Re:Professor mistakes by jrockway · · Score: 1

      I did that once in high school. There were a bunch of Linux terminals that students could use to check their e-mail, and the login was all done through getty (i.e. not xdm). I wrote a script that printed the login prompt, recorded a login ID, printed "Password: " and turned off echo, then recorded that. Then I killed all instances of sh running as me, so it looked to the user that they typed their password wrong and they had to try again. By then they were at the real login screen... they logged in and thought nothing of it.

      Frankly, other people's e-mail and files are really boring...

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    15. Re:Professor mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was using it as a general term... they could overwrite a fresh OS installation onto your drive.

  13. Is this really 'hacking'? by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know the term has been bastardized and now encompasses a wide range of activities. However, this seems more like fraud than hacking to me. The term social engineering should be applied to obtaining information that deals with technology, not having someone change a grade. You could 'social engineer' clearing out your school by calling in a bomb threat, but that's hardly hacking...

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    1. Re:Is this really 'hacking'? by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

      And you'll risk that Mitnick comes and exposes you :(

    2. Re:Is this really 'hacking'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's not creative, it's not a hack.

      Calling this a hack is like calling a terrorist attack a 'prank'.

    3. Re:Is this really 'hacking'? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      No, fraud would be if it were done to obtain money, not to inflate grades. Yes grades could in the future lead to more money, but it's not a direct-enough connection to classify it as fraud. It's hacking because it was unauthorised access to a computer, you might not like the new term, but that's the term people use outside of Slashdot.

    4. Re:Is this really 'hacking'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could 'social engineer' clearing out your school by calling in a bomb threat, but that's hardly hacking...

      If you'r waiting outside with a meat cleaver it sure is ;)

  14. The Irony is by therealfitzman · · Score: 5, Funny

    the only grade that was changed was an F in "Ethics 101".

  15. It's hard to believe... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 0, Redundant

    That this is significant slashdot news. The woman did the wrong thing, and didn't even do it well. What's the deal? That she hacked, or that she was caught? She fsked up and now she pays the price. Nothing to see here, folks, move along...

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    "Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
  16. War Games by bonch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Changing your grade is as simple as looking for the password taped under the desk!

  17. SSN by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . If a user forgets their password, they can reset it by entering their Social Security number and date of birth, Schmidt said.

    Signa said Ramirez worked for the Goleta branch of Allstate Insurance, where she had access to the personal information of two UCSB professors who were insured with the company. Ramirez reset their passwords using private information she obtained from her job, Signa said.


    SSN stored by University and Insurance company and God knows where else. Yet it is supposed to be a secret between you and the Government.

    1. Re:SSN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and God knows where else

      Credit bureaus, banks and other financial institutions, employers, most utilities (phone/electricity/...), a lot of small places like video clubs and what not... (at least here it is)

      The real question is more like where isn't it stored/kept.

    2. Re:SSN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my address book, go ahead give it to me, i wont store it :)

  18. i wouldn't worry about the people that got caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i would worry about the people that didn't

    [*_-]

  19. Your signature... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    ... just blends way too smoothly with the body of your comment! Was it intentional, by any chance? ;-)

    Paul B.

  20. From TFA by Suhas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "An important distinction in this case, compared to some other instances you've seen reported on around the country, the integrity and security of our grading system is intact and was not compromised," said Paul Desruisseaux, UCSB assistant vice chancellor of public affairs.

    If a user forgets their password, they can reset it by entering their Social Security number and date of birth, Schmidt said.

    The Security of the grading system is INTACT? Hell yeah!

  21. Are universities too careless? by chrism238 · · Score: 1
    .... With other computing snafus recently making headlines, are universities too careless with their data?"

    All generalizations are wrong.

  22. I blame their security by mlorentz · · Score: 1

    Their security is laughable! "If a user forgets their password, they can reset it by entering their Social Security number and date of birth, Schmidt said." Now-a-days that is not hard info to get a hold of. Whats next, will they let you reset someones password if you know their occupation?

  23. Universities are centers of excellence by jd · · Score: 1
    They are also centers of research, collectors of learning, venerated halls which house the brightest of the bright.


    By direct inference, any academic establishment that DOES get hacked by amateurish methods, or by people walking off with laptops holding unsecured data, etc, is clearly NOT a University, or at least not one with any credibility.


    The obvious solution is to say that any teaching establishment that suffers loss or distortion of data by techniques that could be expected of that age group (or younger) should lose their license to teach for that year. If you don't have the brains to back your credentials, then your credentials are worthless.


    HOWEVER, this can ONLY work if Universities (and other teaching establishments) have the money to become secure in the first place. They should be given that funding and then they should be expected to deliver on it.


    If the Government won't cough up the cash, it shouldn't be in the business of teaching in the first place. A little knowledge really is a dangerous thing. If the Universities and schools can't manage their own learning, then they can't be trusted with someone else's.

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    1. Re:Universities are centers of excellence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *HOWEVER, this can ONLY work if Universities (and other teaching establishments) have the money to become secure in the first place. They should be given that funding and then they should be expected to deliver on it.*

      too bad just funding more is sometimes the totally wrong way to aproach security.

    2. Re:Universities are centers of excellence by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      *HOWEVER, this can ONLY work if Universities (and other teaching establishments) have the money to become secure in the first place. They should be given that funding and then they should be expected to deliver on it.*

      I don't think that you need MONEY to fix fundamental logical problems with security, like in this case they assumed that only the profs themselfs would know their SSN's. that's just basic stupidity - not something that would have been fixed with more money.

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    3. Re:Universities are centers of excellence by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      By direct inference, any academic establishment that DOES get hacked by amateurish methods, or by people walking off with laptops holding unsecured data, etc, is clearly NOT a University, or at least not one with any credibility.

      I think not. Universities have a feudal power structure, professors have great power, and no doubt some of these found it inconvenient to have to have to walk down to the IT centre or whatever when they forgot their passwords and insisted on a simple way to reset them, Those who knew better probably didn't have the power or inclination ot refuse, and just documented it to cover their asses when the inevitable happened.

  24. Open Records by KPU · · Score: 1

    I was cleaning a computer lab today. Under a desk were piles of CS final exams and progress reports from 1992-5. Not that I could change the grade, but it's a bit scary to think that's where those things end up. One of them belonged to a current staff member. She was slightly scared when I gave it to her.

    1. Re:Open Records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the question is did she get good grades?

  25. No fault in the software? Yea right by Hypharse · · Score: 1

    The fault in the software is that to change the password it requires no "hidden" information. Name, birthdate, and social security are not all that hidden especially on a college campus where they are thrown around daily.

    In most cases where you forget your password they send it to your e-mail address. Why do they not do that in this case? If they had done that the girl would not have access to it since she never did know his password.

    Saying this is not a fault in the software is to save face, but people will know.

    1. Re:No fault in the software? Yea right by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well.

      it is not a fault in the software. it is not the fault of the guy who wrote the software either and it isn't a security hole introduced by poor programming.

      the software worked perfectly, it's just that the whole idea of wanting to have the software work like that is stupid.

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      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    2. Re:No fault in the software? Yea right by fbartho · · Score: 1

      dude... usually the password is tied to your university name... meaning that to access your transcript, financial data, and loans, you type in the same password as to get to your e-mail... if you forgot your password they wouldn't mail it to yourself (they don't keep other e-mails on file) of course eGrades is different software, so conceivably they were smart enough to suggest a different password... conceivably...

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  26. "Hack"? by Yath · · Score: 1

    Get real. This doesn't even rate "script kiddie".

    As for the answer to the question "are universities too careless with their data?" -- well, UCSB certainly was. Allowing passwords to be reset with just the SSN and birthdate was asking for trouble.

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    1. Re:"Hack"? by Anubis350 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      true.
      You can reset your passwd at my college with SSN and DOB too, the extra securfity being that you have to go to a lab (like the one where I work) and use a specific comp that is always at the admin desk and cannot be used without supervision. When you log in with said info to change your password a big picture of you comes on the screen, if the you on the screen doesnt match the you changing the passwd we boot your sorry ass out of the center.

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      "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
    2. Re:"Hack"? by blake213 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So who's the supervisor? And what makes you think he/she will not log in when no one is looking and change a password for someone else?

      Nothing is really secure.

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      mund freud.
    3. Re:"Hack"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they have a camera in the room.

      Maybe the guy already has root access.

      Maybe they have employees they trust.

    4. Re:"Hack"? by ameoba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...and they some how manage to get computer lab monitors that aren't clueless stoners that only have the job because they're workstudy qualified?

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      my sig's at the bottom of the page.
    5. Re:"Hack"? by Frogbert · · Score: 5, Funny

      This reminds me of a little experiment I did with my universities ID card system. When you first enrol they ask you to supply, electronically, an image of your face so they can make you an ID card. I thought it was odd that they would ask for an image and not even check to see if it was of you.

      Now I'm white, small and not very built at all so naturally the only real option was for me to submit an image of Mr T. A fortnight passed with anticipation and soon my new ID was ready to be picked up. I had this whole bogus "There must have been some mistake here! This isn't me" speech ready or if I felt funny on the day I had the "This is so me, I pitty the foo who be discriminating against my people" speech. I go to pick up the ID, the lady asks for my student number, name, dob etc. Takes a look at the ID to see the details match and hands it over...

      nothing.

      She didn't even question the fact that there was a huge black man with bulk bling on my ID and it was clearly not me.

      I went home with my new souveneer, resubmitted my real photo and got a replacement ID two weeks later. I still bring the thing out for laughs.

    6. Re:"Hack"? by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      heh, nice.
      wouldnt work here though, they take the pic on campus, check against drivers license (and to make sure it matches you of course), all that good stuff...

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      "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
    7. Re:"Hack"? by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      uhhh, yeah, we do (I'm one). its a very big uni with very big comp sci and engineering programs, they get plenty of qualified people. Also, as I can personally attest to not having it, its open to more than just work study kids and thus reasonably competitive for the jobs. Pays well too :-P.

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      "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
    8. Re:"Hack"? by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      arrrg, my post got cut off by accident, diddnt mean to hit submit. I was going to mention at an old job I once had a guy I knew changed his ID to a picture of a ham sandwich and the name to "Lunch" and walked around for a week before anyone even noticed.
      it was noticed by a visitor who did an amazing double take while looking at his ID, amusing as all hell.

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      "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
    9. Re:"Hack"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I'm white, small and not very built at all...

      Shocking.

  27. The smart cheater... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... doesn't try to hacks into the system after the exam to fix his grades (which will be spotted as soon as teacher compares computerized results with her own records.

    No, the smart cheater hacks into the system before the exam, in order to lift the subject (and possibly answers...) from the teacher's homedirectory ;-) Much harder to detect, unless culprits boast about it on Slashdot twelve years after...

    1. Re:The smart cheater... by Rauser · · Score: 1

      So...are you trying to tell us something? (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

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    2. Re:The smart cheater... by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but won't they kind of notice when you carry a whole lot of sheets of paper full of answers in?

    3. Re:The smart cheater... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, but won't they kind of notice when you carry a whole lot of sheets of paper full of answers in?

      Learning the answers for just one specific set of test questions takes lots less effort than learning the whole syllabus. So there (obviously) is still some gain in knowing what comes up, even if you can't carry it in on paper.

    4. Re:The smart cheater... by berzerke · · Score: 1

      ...[No, the smart cheater hacks into the system before the exam, in order to lift the subject (and possibly answers...) from the teacher's homedirectory ;-)] Yeah, but won't they kind of notice when you carry a whole lot of sheets of paper full of answers in?

      Just seeing the questions and having time to prepare would give the test taker a huge advantage, even if they couldn't take any notes. Further, I've had open book (and notes) exams. In fact, I had one FINAL exam where the professor just took mid-term 1 and 2 and stapled them together and crossed out the word(s) mid-term. And it was open book (and notes)! I had gotten B's on both mid terms, still had them and the notes on the solutions to the questions he went over in class. Sadly, the lazy SOB didn't actually grade my final, but just gave it a B. Claimed an A wouldn't have affected my course grade, so there was no point in grading it.

    5. Re:The smart cheater... by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      I know someone who did so badly in his *YEAR 8 MUSIC* test (a D, when everyone else in the class got >90%) that the teacher just let him do it again open book. And he still came last in the class :)

  28. Cheaters by softparade · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ah cheating how it has evolved.
    I remember reading awhile ago when a middle school student changed his grade by creating I believe a macro that increased his grade by 10% by every time the class grades were pulled up. Eventually he was caught when he had a percentage far above 100.

    another cheating example that comes to mind. Is when a professor decided to check how many papers turned in were plagiarized with http://www.turnitin.com/ and found that a sizable number of students were cheating.

    As a university student at a large university, I have noticed that some classes prevent cheating more than others. For example, in my chem class which has over a thousand students four forms are given, empty seats all around you. It is nearly impossible to cheat. My physics class I am taken now there are 2 forms and students are placed directly next to each other. Needless to say after the second midterm a student went from a perfect score to only one out of fifteen correct. But when classes only have 3 exams that make your exam cheating must be delt with extremely harshly. These mild security flaws with technology that keep appearing are usually due to weak passwords anyways. This case a social security number was the lone culprit. I think a levelheaded IT department and some well planned passwords and password recovery processes are what should be focused on now. I feel that cheating is a most urgent program in colleges

    1. Re:Cheaters by void* · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Needless to say after the second midterm a student went from a perfect score to only one out of fifteen correct.

      I never went to college.

      However, in high school, my history teacher noticed that a good proportion of the answers given on tests were highly correlated - not exact, per se, but suspiciously close to the exact same answers.

      He made up seven different versions of the test, and ensured that the answer key for any version was different enough from the others to cause dramatic test failures in the case of copying. (multiple choice, 5 options, 30 questions - plenty of combinations).

      That test, about six to ten people, people, all in a rough blob behind and to the right of me, failed.

      I was oblivious to the fact that they were copying me, but it was pretty funny - he'd given me one version of the test and every one else a different version. After that I got rather paranoid about making sure my answers weren't visible to others.

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    2. Re:Cheaters by Flendon · · Score: 1

      My college used to insist on a soft copy of all essays. They claimed to have an automated software that searched the web for evidence plagarism. I never tested to see if they were full of shit though.

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    3. Re:Cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I loved the people who copied off of me in high school. Those loveable folks kept me awake during tests. Never would have passed a couple classes without them.

    4. Re:Cheaters by myc_lykaon · · Score: 1
      You had multiple-choice exams in History?

      It just goes to show why there is the lack of understanding some people have of history when they can answer when the Gettysburg Address was but don't actually know why the American civil war started in the first place.

      I'm not suggesting that you are one of these, but that the multiple choice exam system is used so frequently because of lazy exam writers who don't want to put the effort into writing a well structured essay type exam question when:

      When was the battle of Wounded Knee?:
      (a) 1890
      (b) 2048
      (c) 1623
      (d) 1066

      Fills a tickbox of 'was an exam set for this course'?

    5. Re:Cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way to write this question for a history class would have been:

      When was the battle of Wounded Knee?:
      (a) December 30, 1890
      (b) December 29, 1890
      (c) December 28, 1890
      (d) December 27, 1890

      That'll weed out the stupid ones!

    6. Re:Cheaters by WisconsinFusion · · Score: 0

      That reminds me of a test I took as an undergraduate. Philosophy 222: Intro to Logic. Some of the students (phil majors as I recall) pleaded for a true false test.

      After wearing the prof down, he finally agreed. When test day rolled around, we were presented with a 100 question true/false test. The instructions told us that a correct answer was worth 1 point, an incorrect answer was worth -1 and a blank answer was worth nothing.

      The test was hard, even without the assinine grading system and the high score was awarded to, you guessed it, the burnout who cut class on the day of the exam. Since his score was a zero, he beat the average by about 10 points.

      ;)
    7. Re:Cheaters by kbielefe · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I thought you were in my high school history class for a minute there. My teacher suspected that some students were receiving the answers from the class before. Just before Christmas break, word got around to our entire class (not just the usual cheaters) that the answers to the matching test spelled "MERRY CHRISTMAS" down the side. The teacher said as a Christmas gift he made an easy test and anyone who finished early could leave for lunch early. I did the first few problems just to be sure. "M", check. "E", check. Wait, whats a B doing where the R shoud be? About that time around half the class is walking out with smug looks on their faces and the other half is just as smug because they actually did problem 3.

      In Junior High we had to memorize the preamble to the United States constitution and I was having trouble. I had looked a little bit at one of my Dad's old shorthand books, and so I painstakingly wrote out key phrases in shorthand so it would just look like doodles sticking out of the edge of my book. Well it turned out at the test that I couldn't remember how to read the shorthand notes I had written, but that I knew it perfectly because of the long time I had spent trying to do it the "easy" way.

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    8. Re:Cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How about the aspect that at many universisites, out-of-class time is unpaid time for adjunct faculty? Do I spend 6 unpaid hours grading essays, or 15 unpaid minutes dealing with scantron?

      Note: I teach a visual arts subject, so everything is based on the students' artwork and in-class demeanor - no unpaid grading time at all.

    9. Re:Cheaters by The+Taco+Prophet · · Score: 1
      I went through much the same kind of thing in high school. In my biology class, I caught a nearby kid copying answers off of my tests. Naturally, snitching was out of the question due to the ethics of the playground... so instead, for the next several tests, I deliberately answered most questions incorrectly. After he handed his copy in, I changed my answers.

      He cornered me after class one day to ask why I was getting A's and he was failing, to which I responded, "Dude... you're not copying off my tests are you? She hands out different tests to everybody. The questions are in a different order."

      Escaped a beating and he stopped copying off my tests.

      I imagine most of us here have similar stories. For some reason, pasty kids with glasses have to deal with people copying off their papers a lot. Damnedest thing.

    10. Re:Cheaters by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      You guys use multiple choice? I encountered that stuff in fifth and sixth grade and never again after that. In Germany we prefer using questions like "How does Atropin affect the nervous system?", which are answered on a separate sheet of paper/in a dedicated exam booklet. Then again, the educational system of the USA and the German one are hardly similar.

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    11. Re:Cheaters by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Just before Christmas break, word got around to our entire class (not just the usual cheaters) that the answers to the matching test spelled "MERRY CHRISTMAS" down the side.

      Hmm... I'd be suspicious merely because matching tests *usually* (I have seen exceptions to this) don't re-use letters like that.

    12. Re:Cheaters by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      For some reason, pasty kids with glasses have to deal with people copying off their papers a lot.

      Huh. You had it easy. In GB and Michigan, pasty kids have to deal with people coming up and trying to eat them all the time.

    13. Re:Cheaters by The+Taco+Prophet · · Score: 1

      If you think that's bad, you should see the state of things now. That was 15 years ago... things haven't improved since...

    14. Re:Cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha!

      (+1, Regional Humor)

    15. Re:Cheaters by hawk · · Score: 1

      The football coach taught Western Civ, and used the same five question T/F test all day. You couldn't avoid the true-true-false-true-false as you came in.

      He apparently finally caught on. One day the questions sounded odd for the answers stated.

      I think I was the only one to get them all right that day . . .

      And my father once issued two versions of his high school test, and had a student complaining about his score.
      "That's because all of your answers are wrong."
      "But I have same answers as Tran, and he have perfect score."
      "Tran had a different test."
      "Ohh....."

      hawk

    16. Re:Cheaters by hawk · · Score: 1

      While I was at Santa Clara, someone managed to break in and steal a test.

      His transcript has an extra page: a letter explaining *exactly* why he failed the course . . .

      Penn State is one of the schools that has an "XF" grade for failed for cheating. I tell my students that requesting that *and* expulsion is my only response to cheating on tests.

      hawk

    17. Re:Cheaters by void* · · Score: 1

      The school district I grew up going to school in was screwed up, to be honest.

      That's a different issue, however.

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  29. Mack Daddy says "NO!" by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Interesting
    She might have gotten away with it if she had used an open wireless access point - shoulda changed the grades at Starbucks! ;-)

    Believe it or not, they keep mac address databases, any self respecting router will. Who is to say the police can't trace the IP to an wireless access point and check Mac addresses? Who is to say that free is really free, that it's not one big honey pot? They have camera's? They know the time it happened??

    It ain't that easy...

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    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    1. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is a MAC address any useful identifier?

    2. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Which is why you should use residential open access points with unprotected routers. You can go in afterward, and clean your mac address from the router logs. It COULD be a honeypot, but I think the odds are pretty low.

    3. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by wooley-one · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not that I'd condone this, but it actually is that easy. You change the reported MAC address. Not a big deal at all. They'll have a really hard time tracking down who bought the card with the MAC of "FEEDDEADBEEF".

      The reported MAC can be changed at the OS level, and there is no need to alter the card in any way.

    4. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Informative
      > Believe it or not, they keep mac address databases, any self respecting router will.
      ifconfig wlan0 down
      wlanctl-ng wlan0 dot11req_reset setdefaultmib=true macaddress=$RANDOMMAC
      ifconfig wlan0 hw ether $RANDOMMAC
      ifconfig wlan0 up
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    5. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      mac address IS NOT a trustable identifier as it can be changed by anyone, people should know this.. hopefully you don't trust your network security on just mac addresses..

      and anyways.. even a camera wouldn't prove that it was she.. as it's wireless, who knows if it's used from outside.. sure a camera could give a hint for the cops but it would not do the proving part of it.

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    6. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by John+Seminal · · Score: 0
      ifconfig wlan0 down
      wlanctl-ng wlan0 dot11req_reset
      setdefaultmib=true macaddress=$RANDOMMAC
      ifconfig wlan0 hw ether $RANDOMMAC
      ifconfig wlan0 up

      I sure hope whoever does this doesn't do it somewhere that a serial port prints out, or saves to another computer all changes. Some places actually keep a serial connection to a second machine that is off the web, yet a machine that has a time stamp of all changes.

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      Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    7. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
      mac address IS NOT a trustable identifier as it can be changed by anyone, people should know this.. hopefully you don't trust your network security on just mac addresses..

      and anyways.. even a camera wouldn't prove that it was she.. as it's wireless, who knows if it's used from outside.. sure a camera could give a hint for the cops but it would not do the proving part of it.

      A MAC address can be masked, but what would the probability be that you would fake a MAC at the very cafe the IP address that was logged?

      And the camera would not have to prove anything. If the IP address of the attack was a cafe, and the camera recorded a student there who's grade was changed, that would be enough proof to get her/him in deep trouble, expelled, and maybe criminally convicted. What does it take today to convict someone? What does "beyond a resonable doubt mean"? It ain't 100% certain, it is "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck". Now I know there are those who say it is a easy way to set someone up, but I bet the police would give the accused a chance (maybe by court order) to surrender their laptop. The evidence would be there to know...

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      Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    8. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      we're talking about a command on your machine, to change your MAC address, so as to make you unidentifiable (not that a MAC does identify anyone anyways). Do you know anything about this? better check the back of your computer, it might have a serial connection to a machine off the web! fuckwit....

    9. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by petecarlson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since when is a MAC address any useful identifier?

      Alone it means little, but along with other information, it can sometimes tell you something. Yesterday I put up a new AP and left it open as a loss leader of sorts as there are other free conections in the area. (The first hit is free) Going through my access logs I came accros a user that used quite a bit of upstream but little downstream bandwidth. I cross checked the MAC with my dhcp server log and came up with 'client-hostname "your-2r8c4odfb2"'. That's an odd thing to name your computer. Thinking that 2r8c4odfb2 might me some wierd 1337 speak, I googled it and found: your-2r8c4odfb2.cpe.ozrk.al.charter.com listed as the hostname for a computer which had sent quite a bit of email (read SPAM). Now I could be way off base here, but the wierd traffic coupled, with the hostname listed as having a high probibility of being a spam server, was enough for me to ban the mac till the AP is added to the authentication and billing system.

    10. Re:Mack Daddy says "NO!" by berzerke · · Score: 1

      ...but I bet the police would give the accused a chance (maybe by court order) to surrender their laptop...

      While I agree with most of your statement, it's not entirely true. First, the university is not a court. They could expel the suspect without hard proof. Even if she didn't get expelled, they could make quite sure she would never get a degree. Not quite the same as a criminal conviction, but a definite speed bump in getting a degree. In any case, it was the campus police that worked to catch her. In my experience, the campus police work for the University administration, which undoubtably wanted her caught. Had this been a private company, I very much doubt that the police would have even done anything more than take a report.

      Second, even if you use a laptop, you could always use a bootable CD to do the dirty work. This eliminates the possibility (unless you do something really stupid) of files being left in the cache or swapfile.

  30. Radical idea by bonch · · Score: 0, Troll

    So don't click "Read more" and post a comment.

  31. Re: by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Dude, get with it - it's news cuz it's a chick! Everyone knows the only good chick hackers are Jeri Ellsworth and Angelina Jolie! :)

  32. Zen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try a degree in Zen. You can't do anything with it (like Comp sci) but you get the benefit of a state of well-being.

    1. Re:Zen by Poeir · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather get a degree in Zan, be able to take water forms.

      --
      Sigs are like bumper stickers.
  33. Perfect crime? by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I read the article I kept thinking "Someone had to own her machine." It's the perfect crime. You take control of another student's machine, and you change a lot of people's grades including your own. Now if you're really good, at this point you've changed the backup grades, so that when they find out and knock you back down from the A the "Criminal" gave you in Hyperdimensional Fold Mathematics for Painters to the B they thought you really got, you will be in the clear with their stamp of approval. And someone else takes the fall, case closed.

    Sadly, she admitted to the crime. One good theory ruined by bumbling criminals not really being criminal masterminds in disguise.

    1. Re:Perfect crime? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Well I dunno about their system, but where I work there's really no way to cover your tracks. All changes are logged as to who did them, when, what they were, etc. So you can just trace back to teh last legit point and set it there.

      To get around that tracing, well now that would take some serious hacking. You'd have to get access to the mainframe OS itself, not just this program (and I don't know that can be done remotely) and alter the DB records directly. Not impossible, but probably more effort than just passing the class through legit means.

    2. Re:Perfect crime? by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not impossible, but probably more effort than just passing the class through legit means.

      True. I always thought there was nobility in failing a few classes in college. If you didn't fail a few, you weren't really pushing yourself hard enough. My transcript represented this worldview pretty well.

      But the social aspect of the hack is interesting, even if it isn't useful. The best hack is not one that is never resolved, but one that is resolved neatly, definitively, and completely wrong.

      I knew someone in High School who was a master keygrabber. He would arrange intricate dances around all of the teachers so that he could grab their key ring for an hour and make copies of everything. This ranged from "intimate talks" about problems that didn't exist, to mundane copier issues, to larger things like students getting "caught" doing things they weren't supposed to be doing.

      It was the plausable misdirection that made him a master. Somehow the instructions to change the sprinkler times to 10:30 would be communicated to the gardener as 6:30, and due to this oversite two weeks later all of the people at the homecoming game would freak out and go running for the gardener's shed, where they would cut off the lock, and turn off the sprinklers. There, the typo would be discovered in the instructions, and the case would be closed. Bad typing was to blame. In their rush, nobody noticed that the lock they cut off of the gardener's shed wasn't keyed the same as the lock that originally was on the shed. Nor did they notice that the full set of maintenence keys that were in the gardener's shed was now slightly warm to the touch.

      Never try to "get away with it" by being untracable. "Get away with it" by giving people a plausable explanation for the inconsistincies they see... something believeable, easy, and invisibly incorrect. Never leave a case open.

    3. Re:Perfect crime? by Suhas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting. I have always held the theory that poor hackers (crackers for the pedantic) sometimes get caught. Good hackers rarely get caught and the best ones are never discovered as they do their deed and disappear into the void.

      However, there is a class who is above all. They do what they want to do, and intricately weave a web so convincing, that there is never, ever a chance that anything can be traced back to them. Like in the case you described, the guy did not have to cover his tracks of having replaced the lock, but made other people do it. This is the key, what can be simply attributed to someone, can never be held against someone else.

    4. Re:Perfect crime? by weicco · · Score: 1

      Some databases are able to rollback to a specified date. When they see that database has been tampered they will surely (hopelly) check backup db also. And if that is tampered too, they will just roll the whole database back to day before you commited your horrible act :)

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      You don't know what you don't know.
    5. Re:Perfect crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. I always thought there was nobility in failing a few classes in college.

      Excellent! Bow to your new king!

      Burger King... ;_;

    6. Re:Perfect crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, criminals broke into HER machine and then raised HER grade instead of their own... That's really likely...

    7. Re:Perfect crime? by Kupek · · Score: 1

      True. I always thought there was nobility in failing a few classes in college. If you didn't fail a few, you weren't really pushing yourself hard enough. My transcript represented this worldview pretty well.

      I don't understand how not pushing yourself follows from not failing a few classes.

    8. Re:Perfect crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Last quarter, I did not have a clue what I was doing. So I took linear algebra and integral calc for engineers at the same time - mind that I had already failed the latter twice before because I have little math aptitude and was previously unmotivated to study. I thought that maybe if I made things hard for myself, I could sort out my study habits properly.

      By the end of the quarter, I had figured out both my limits(failed the calc again, withdrew from the linear algebra) and what I wanted to study - economics, which does have math, but at the undergraduate level it's not an amount that overwhelms me like last quarter. I decided to make game development a hobby rather than "future career" after letting it overwhelm everything else I was doing partway through the quarter. And I decided to get rid of my computer and only use labs because it was a huge distraction.

      Eventually everyone hits some walls, if they take on any profession passionately; but the earlier one encounters them in life, the easier it is to change direction to accomodate for those limits. In my case, I made a LOT of major changes because of my bold/naive decision to make the last quarter tough. It was the massive amount of adversity I brought upon myself that I learned from - and I can't say that about the classes where I worked hard and passed.

      If you've ever known a lot of very bright people, eventually you encounter someone to whom everything comes easily; but they never really work at anything, so that even people who are dumber in a general sense end up with greater intellectual skills and employability. Because these "too smart" people have both no passion and no limitations, they flounder and coast through life as long as possible. This is exactly the sort of thing that failure helps one avoid.

    9. Re:Perfect crime? by gymell · · Score: 1
      I always thought there was nobility in failing a few classes in college. If you didn't fail a few, you weren't really pushing yourself hard enough. My transcript represented this worldview pretty well.

      I couldn't disagree more with this statement. As a student, the more difficult the class was, the more motivated I was and the harder I worked. I tended to slack off in the easier classes due to boredom or lack of interest. Either way, I rarely made anything less than an A, through a bachelors and two masters degrees.

      As an instructor on the college level myself, invariably the people who failed did so for stupid reasons like not showing up, not caring and not turning in the assignments. Then they would whine about losing some scholarship or have their parents call and complain as if it were my fault. I saw that as pathetic, not something noble.

      Oh and by the way, I'm a female who graduated summa cum laude, without cheating or doing any sort of "favors" that some of you guys like to imagine that successful women do. I would rather fail than cheat, but I'm not stupid enough to wait until the end of the semester to figure out that I wasn't doing well in the class. And if anyone ever suggested to me that there was a way I could get around receiving a bad grade, he would quickly regret that.

    10. Re:Perfect crime? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      How can you know where your limits are if you don't push beyond them? How can you know where your interests lie if you don't discover where they don't lie? Or your abilities? I may have aced a Nietzche course that required 100 pages of reading and a 10 page paper a week for a lousy 4 undergraduate credits, but it took three years to get through a years worth of Japanese, and that wasn't for lack of trying. I know a girl who struggled for nearly 6 years to get through a two class calculous series, a prerequisite for her to get beyond community college. I know another girl who worked for 35 hours a week, lived out of her car, and took 20 units. She failed a course every now and then, but it's not like she was slacking off watching television.

      Not every failure is a noble one. I think what can be noble about failure is the realization that there are higher goals than grades. Such as the exploration of the world, or the exploration of the self. Or even simple learning, which grades don't always represent. While I knew a pretty broad spectrum of people in college, the ones that I knew were going to do OK in life were the ones that weren't motivated by grades. They were exploring their options, discovering what they wanted to do in life, and looked at everything as a learning experience. Many (though by no means all) of the people who were motivated by grades were barreling headlong into a career that was grossly inappropriate for them, and everyone but them could see it. Ultimately these people are now out in the real world and are floundering because the opportunities to explore possibilities in the real world are not anywhere near as available as in college. If you want to see what being a teacher is like in college, you can take an education course by adding a little tick mark on a sign up sheet. If you want to see what being a teacher is like in the real world... you've got a long ways to go to find out. And if you've been barreling towards that medical degree for the past 4 years, you may not have the first clue where to start.

      And why cry sexism in the middle of an unrelated discussion? We all know that 60% of incoming freshmen are female and that females have a higher overall graduation rate than males. Girls get called on more in elementary and high-school classrooms than boys do, and recieve on average more personalized attention from both their teachers and their parents. You're no longer academically oppressed, and haven't been for many years... Well, maybe at Harvard.

      The question has become why has male college graduation rates declined? Why are fewer men going to college? Why are females in certain ethnic communities struggling to find similarly educated males? At what point did we fail the boys, and is there a way we can solve this problem without creating a segregated zero-sum game?

      If you want we can lob some statistics back and forth and play the "more oppressed than thou" game, but that's a different discussion.

  34. Seems a little over the top... by dtjohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wasn't very smart of the UCSB admins to let the grading system access password be reset using common personal information such as ssn and birthdate. Better would have been to send a new password to the users email address or to have him stop by or telephone.

    Also, charging the girl with four felonies seems a little over the top, given the nature of the crime. What she did doesn't seem any different than cheating on a final exam but cheating usually calls for expulsion rather than a felony criminal charge. It isn't as if the girl vandalized the system, sold grades to others, or used the professor's info to open credit card accounts or something. Do they really want to send people like this girl to prison for several years? For what reason?

    1. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Bifurcati · · Score: 1
      That's a good point - what would have happened if the teacher had recorded the grades on paper while marking (I do!), and she had broken in the teacher's office and changed the grades before they had been entered into the computer? Would she have been charged with breaking and entering? Or just "cheating", and been expelled?

      Better yet, what if she had rung security saying she had locked her keys in "her" office. Security at my university rarely asks for ID (and they don't know whose office it is, anyway) and they just open the door, and in she goes. Changes the grades on paper, and away she goes. What then?

    2. Re:Seems a little over the top... by ssand · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind two of the felonies are for identity theft. She used confidential information accessed at work to get the passwords.

    3. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they really want to send people like this girl to prison for several years? For what reason?

      Destroying the life of a young girl would give University bureaucrats a perverted sense of accomplishment. Seriously.

    4. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      FYI, it's not the school that's charging her with the crimes, but the police department. Under the UC system, it's a real police department, not just campus security. Law enforcement, with full law enforcement powers within their jurisdiction. The various UCPDs work closely with each university, but they're answerable to the UC system and the state as a whole (via the regents, who are political appointees).

      This woman stole the identities of two people, then used those identities to illegal access the system twice. That's serious. Your arguments that what she did is not severe aren't germane (yet). When the case gets handed to the DA or City Prosecutor, it will be considered I'm sure. It will be something her defense attorney will put forth to judge and jury, if she pleads not guilty.

      I'd argue that the fact that she "only" changed grades, and didn't go on a CC buying spree is not that relevant. She engaged in criminal activity that reaches the level of felony in this state. Not an infraction, not a misdemeanor, but a felony. I think that saying what she did is less severe is almost like saying that someone who steals a Kia is less of a criminal than someone who steals a Rolls Royce. Or better, saying that stealing a car to use as a getaway car in a liquor store robbery is less severe that if it was used in a bank robbery.

      If you want to argue that the illegal access itself is less severe than if she broke into a military or other similar installation, I'll grant you that. But if she did that, the charges themselves would potentially be much more serious.

      At any rate, this is all a bit premature. At the moment it's a police matter, at least as far as charging her for crimes is concerned. The police in general will charge a person with the maximum. If they think someone committed a murder, they charge them with murder. After that, it's up to the DA to prosecute for murder, for manslaughter, or both. Then it's up for a jury to decide her fate (unless a plea agreement can be reached).

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    5. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She engaged in criminal activity that reaches the level of felony in this state. Not an infraction, not a misdemeanor, but a felony.

      I can see two important things fading in cases like this... a presumption of innocence for the accused, and any stigma previously associated with the word "felony."

      If they punish nonviolent and modest infractions such as this as felonies, the word will lose its meaning over time. For example, the word "misdemeanor" already includes things which are illegal but perhaps not very immoral.

      Parking tickets, speeding tickets, pot smoking, driving with a loud exhaust, are misdemeanors. If you're convicted of a misdemeanor, nobody really cares as long as there's no jail time involved. If we make little computer crimes chargeable as felonies, then to an increasing extent it will turn our former criminal justice system into a game. People will say "Felony. Ha ha! Join the club." Fact: one third of black men have already been convicted of a felony. Talk about something losing its meaning!

      That's the ridiculous direction we're heading in, every time lawmakers try to get tough on crime, they increase penalties, expand enforcement, or define new crimes. Some of these things, software piracy and what not, didn't even used to be illegal. Now they're felonies!

      In our increasingly wired culture, it'll be a commonplace thing to not only have hacked, but to have been busted for hacking, virus dissemination, failure to recycle aluminum cans, whatever.

      Had she instead snuck into her professor's filing cabinet and changed grades using a pencil and an eraser, the effect might have been similar. But since this is the 21st century and she could use a computer, making it both easier and more tempting to do, ka-pow! Multiple felony charges!!

      "More laws, more crimes." -Confucius

    6. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Traffic tickets, parking tickets, and depending where you are, pot smoking, are all infractions, not misdemeanors. There are exceptions, of course. If you drive 90 mph in a 25 mph school zone, it will be more than a infraction.

      Secondly, according to the article, the woman already confessed. True, she hasn't pleaded in court, but I don't think we're making too great an assumption that she's guilty.

      And exactly what is so "modest" about improperly accessing an individual's information from your company's database? And then using that information to commit a "modest" crime?

      Perhaps the fact that it is so easy and so tempting is exactly why we need stiff penalties. If a stiff penalty is what it takes to keep you from mucking about with my information for whatever purpose you might have, then I'm all for stiff penalties, up to and including your new husband/cellmate.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    7. Re:Seems a little over the top... by xlv · · Score: 1

      What she did doesn't seem any different than cheating on a final exam but cheating usually calls for expulsion rather than a felony criminal charge.

      I'm sure you'd change your mind if you had just signed up for an insurance policy in the branch she worked at like I did a few weeks ago. We'll see if I receive a notice from the company saying customer information has been compromised.

      I'd like to elaborate more, but I've got to go check my credit reports now...

    8. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may call them infractions, but they are criminal infractions. In my state, they are misdemeanors.

      The deterrant value of stiff penalties has not been clearly established. Take the ultimate penalty for example - capital punishment. California did a study which showed that murder rates actually rise fololowing state executions. The study concluded (and I quote) "The State may be be tragically leading by example."

      Re: Presumption of innocence, I did RTFA but forgot that detail about her confessing. So, clearly she did the deed, yet a question remains. What specific crime might she guilty of? Is she really guilty of a felony? How many felonies? Why didn't they also charge her with Wire Fraud, Academic Fraud (if you have such a statute), Reckless Endangerment, industrial espionage, willful violation of privacy laws, racketeering, and horror of all horrors: Using a Computer in the Commission of a Crime?

      What this woman did, many 12-year olds could have done. She deserves to be laughed at rather than branded actually dangerous with a felony charge.

      She didn't steal anything material, or take anybody's money. She simply rearranged some bits on a hard disk somewhere. She cheated and acted dishonestly, but not feloniously, IMHO. Forging academic records is certainly less heinous than say, forging or even bouncing a check, which would constitute stealing. I would indeed call what she did a modest offense. More than petty, but less than serious. Worthy of immediate employment termination, probable academic expulsion and perhaps a legal slap on the wrists, but no more.

    9. Re:Seems a little over the top... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to elaborate more, but I've got to go check my credit reports now...

      I'm all for data privacy, but unfortunately it's been a tragically lost battle for some time now.

      I'm sure all our credit info is already in the hands of several east-european based organized crime syndicates.

      But from what I've read, they don't use the big databases to defraud individual customers so much; rather, they find it easier and more profitable to use this information to extort banks.

      This UCSB girl will serve well to distract people from the real troublemakers which go unpunished.

  35. Here is WHY this is news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Follow the logic! It's very simple why we like her:
    1) She hacked in and changed grades, which required password theft.
    2) Theft is what is needed to get the mp3 files that Slashdotters download on P2P networks.
    3) Mp3 files are ignoring IP rights.
    4) IP rights are what commercial software is based on.
    5) Commercial software is what we hate!

    Therefore, her hacking helps FOSS!!

    Everything should be FREE!! Now can you spare a dime? I need to buy some new cardboard to patch my walls up.

  36. Who needs [forehead] security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If a user forgets their password, they can reset it by entering their Social Security number and date of birth, Schmidt said.

    This is evil. SSNs and DoBs are far too easy to find. "

    Well that's why the "Chip in the Forehead" technology is being worked on. Find my identity will you *CHOP!*

  37. What is the big deal about hackers? by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
    Hackers are no better than what they do. A criminal is a criminal, regardless of the tool they use. Just because the guy running Enron was a financial genius, does that mitigate his crimes?

    I happen to think of hackers like a baseball player. They have a greater responsibility to people, they were born with gifts. And if they use them for their own benifit and not society, then why did God give them more?

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    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

  38. Signature fun by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 5, Funny

    A friend of mine at university used to have "Tempus Fugit" in his email signature file. This pretentiousness could not go unpunished so we changed it to "I wank daily"

    He was sending out emails with it on for a week before a professor wrote to him telling him to change it to something more appropriate.

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    1. Re:Signature fun by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of a prank we pulled with some guy; we installed a swedish cook filter on his outgoing mail.. Bork Bork Bork!

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      "It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
    2. Re:Signature fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of a nasty trick I played on a friend of mine for not attributing appropriate respect to my birthday. I added a little program that enabled sending messages across the network (the network had no native programs for doing so) onto his account, and in his login script, I called it to broadcast:
      I enjoy the act of sodomy.
      (see Meet the feebles for the song and dance routine that was the inspiration).

      On the way home from uni that day, I laughed and laughed. It took about three logins for his account to be suspended.

    3. Re:Signature fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On old VAX one could modify the prompt to be anything at all, even very long, derisive and mean rants about why the student should log off. This was accomplished by modifying some file in the users area. I don't remember what it was.

      There was a student who didn't know how to change it back so everytime he hit return there would be a thirty or fourty line message that said something like: "hey, dumb ass, why don't you remember to log off next time" in big, huge, block letters.

      And the kid didn't know how to change it back.

    4. Re:Signature fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      On the way home from uni that day, I laughed and laughed. It took about three logins for his account to be suspended.


      Simon, is that you?
    5. Re:Signature fun by CommieOverlord · · Score: 1

      What's prententious about "Tempus Fugit"?

    6. Re:Signature fun by mickyflynn · · Score: 1

      I think the fact that it was in Latin, instead of just saying "Time Flies" in English.

    7. Re:Signature fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A friend of mine at university used to have "Tempus Fugit" in his email signature file. This pretentiousness could not go unpunished so we changed it to "I wank daily"
      • At one university I attended we used to change the display names of people who didn't log out of the VT100 terminals to "I Don't Know How To Logout". Most never noticed it, but anyone doign a who did. One repeat offender got their dir command remapped to not display any code or object files. (This was on a Vax, not Unix). Nothing was deleted or moved, but I'm sure there was a huge moment of terror when they logged in next and did dir to get a "0 files found" message. :)
    8. Re:Signature fun by CommieOverlord · · Score: 1

      I think it's rather sad that someone at university thinks that using Latin is pretentious.

  39. Furthermore by dolo666 · · Score: 1

    The suspect worked for an insurance agency, but it would not be difficult to find this information through other means.
    I agree. What is worse is that there is this system out there where joe black-hat can crack and steal a shitload of valid SS#s... not what I would call smart overhead for the school. They should make it all anonymous. Forget your passwords, click to reset and validate through email. Fsk private information! It's stupid. :-)

    1. Re:Furthermore by Baricom · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you're trolling or didn't consider the implications, but I'll bite.

      In your scenario, the password is being sent to your university e-mail address. The password being sent is the same as the password for your e-mail.

      Therefore, in order to get your reset password, you have to know the password, otherwise you can't get the e-mail.

    2. Re:Furthermore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The password being sent is the same as the password for your e-mail.

      Says who? Every university I've worked at had a separate e-mail password.

    3. Re:Furthermore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says who? Every university I've worked at had a separate e-mail password.
      Don't bother. If someone can't see that passwords need to be unique at every access point, then they can't understand security enough to implement safer methods.

  40. From The Fast Access department. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Like one person getting credit for something they didn't do isn't enough... its got to be mass fraud to care?"

    Hmmm...that reminds me.

    *checks on P2P download*

    Coming along nicely. Uh, what were you saying?

  41. I feel real sorry for her by t0qer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    With other computing snafus recently making headlines, are universities too careless with their data?"

    Yes i'm careless for having windows made of regular glass instead of tempered. While we're on that note, lets fault me for having a wooden door instead of a steel one, and dirt in my crawlspace someone can tunnel into.

    I think the university did the best it could here. No matter how high/tall/hard you build it, folks are always gonna try and break it. It's just a fact of life.

    I think the only person careless in this whole shebang is the girl that did the grade changing. I doubt this is the most morally devoid thing that has ever happened in this professors class

    I can't recall how many times I had girls that liked me offering to do my homework in school, or how many times I saw someone blatenly fuck another persons report up by checking all the books pertaining to their subject from all the local libraries. I think the worse i've seen is the prefferential treatment some students get, weather it's because of being on the football team, or some other popular school group.

    There's a lot worse that goes on in schools, it's just she got caught.

    1. Re:I feel real sorry for her by norkakn · · Score: 1

      your house protects you and your data. If I am paying you to house my data and my things, you'd better have something better than a wooden door and a deadbolt. I'm not saying that what she did was justified (I see nothing that would imply that, she fucked up), but that doesn't let the U off the hook for lax security. If someone breaks into the bank, eah they broke the law, but the bank should have stopped them

    2. Re:I feel real sorry for her by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      While we're on that note, lets fault me for having a wooden door instead of a steel one

      It doesn't matter what the door is like if copies of the key are distributed to random people all over the country clearly labeled with your name and address.

      There is a difference between having slightly less security than you could have and just being plain stupid and leaving things wide open.

      At least the people responsible for the change auditing seem to have been more on the ball than whoever put in that SSN hole.

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  42. More than meets the eye... by John+Seminal · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    That this is significant slashdot news. The woman did the wrong thing, and didn't even do it well. What's the deal? That she hacked, or that she was caught? She fsked up and now she pays the price. Nothing to see here, folks, move along...

    Can it be an indictment on society? Do we have a society where we MUST be the best to be happy? Are we stacked up against each other?

    What does an "A" mean? What does a "C" mean? And how fucking desperate does a person have to be to cheat, to risk expulsion? God, what are we doing people?

    People learn differently, some visually, some auditory, some hands-on. Yet we have done little to maximize people to thier potential. We over work the lower classes. We have a system where life at the bottom to middle is miserable.

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    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    1. Re:More than meets the eye... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Let me see if I'm following you on this.

      A student cheats by hacking into the school computer system, changes her grade, gets caught, and you're saying it's society's fault?

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    2. Re:More than meets the eye... by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A student cheats by hacking into the school computer system, changes her grade, gets caught, and you're saying it's society's fault?

      What was the reason for cheating? What was the consequence of failing the class? What was the risk of getting caught cheating?

      I don't think we will kill people for cheating, or sentance them to some lifelong hell. But if someone fails, and gets pushed into the lower class, it is hell. Like George Bush said "Congrats, you have two jobs, something uniquely American"

      If society realizes all people are valuable, and can contribute, and does not push a person beyond their means, then being in the "lower" class will not be a punishment.

      There is the second side of the equation. We could just make the punishment so great for cheating to discourage people. That seems to be the trend with all crimes.

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      Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    3. Re:More than meets the eye... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She cheated. That's bad.

      Ok, moving on.

      Why did she feel it was necessary to risk everything to change her grade in that manner?

    4. Re:More than meets the eye... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      exactly hee
      either society or violent computer games ,Seriously that gave me a chuckle.
      I have no idea i would more say it was the parents fault for not teaching the child/adult now whatever , some ethics and that it does not matter as long as your doing your best .in the end though , if you commit a crime and don't have a mental illness that would contribute to it then it is wholey your own fault. if you get caught you live with it and dont try blaming society .

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      The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
    5. Re:More than meets the eye... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      if people started to value other people and respected that each job in societys rung is as valuable and should have equal respect and pay .,
      What we have here is utopian communism , a wonderfull ideal that in time hopefully will be what our society is like (see star trek)
      Right now though it was her own fault , as everyone else has these same influences and manages not to cheat

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      The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
    6. Re:More than meets the eye... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the subject header, I think he's saying the Decepticons are at fault.

      (robots in disguise)

    7. Re:More than meets the eye... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I see you didn't RTFA. She changed her B to an A. It was her roommate who was failing. The UC PD is investigating if other students were involved, the implication being that this was an entrepreneurial endeavor.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    8. Re:More than meets the eye... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I was taught right from wrong by my parents. I've still done some pretty sleazy shit back in the day. But it must be the mental illness! =)

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    9. Re:More than meets the eye... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Thats what I told the judge !

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      The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
  43. What's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    War games?

  44. I don't think it would have worked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    She was caught because the university had a feedback system. The professors whose grades were changed were notified when the grades were changed. It didn't matter where she changed the grades from, the change would still have been noticed. Given the way she did it, she would still have been the prime suspect.

    So, she wouldn't have got to keep the forged grades but she might have avoided a criminal record. Maybe.

    1. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by MrMickS · · Score: 1

      So make changes to grades across the board. Just little ones. If its discovered the finger then points at the professor trying to boost the grades of his class.

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      You may think me a tired, old, cynic. I'd have to disagree about the tired bit.
    2. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "She was caught because the university had a feedback system."

      Stupid criminal: "Dammit, how the hell did Ferris Bueller get away with it then."

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      Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
    3. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by Rick+and+Roll · · Score: 1

      Well in that situation, all she's got to do is break into the system again and delete that email.

    4. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a hideously stupid idea.

    5. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Most big universities have regulations about the sort of grades you can give. You can get a reprimand, for example, if the peak of your bell distribution is on B instead of C.

      Where I went to school, only a certain number of A's per class were allowed, which made competition a little scary sometimes.

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    6. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moral of the story is the only way to keep grades you haven't earned is "Cough BbLloWwJjoBb Cough."

    7. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by tekunokurato · · Score: 1

      Easy enough to solve--chances are the guy's e-mail pw is the same or similar to his system pw and she could log in and intercept the notification e-mail (if she was smart, but obviously she isn't much).

    8. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by joggle · · Score: 1
      She never knew his password, she simply reset it for the e-grade system. She may have been able to change his e-grade account settings though so that the e-mail notifications were sent to was bogus, make the grade changes, and then reset the feedback e-mail address again. It still probably wouldn't have worked since the professor would not be able to login with his old password and would find it suspicious that he would have to reset the password (unless he's so old that he tends to forget passwords anyway).

      I can't believe the guys in charge of the system act like there's nothing wrong with it. Security by SSN and DOB alone should be illegal at public institutions IMO.

    9. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      I remeber when the school of Crimminology did that. They felt that the school was getting to easy and more students needed to fail. It was wierd because at the time in some rankings FSU's school of criminology was ranked number 5. We had at least one professor leave for that very reason. She told us in class I will not be dicated to on what grades I have to give. I was considering changing my major again, but by that point it would have cost be money. It did make for great motivation. Good times.

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    10. Re:I don't think it would have worked. by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 1

      You can get a reprimand, for example, if the peak of your bell distribution is on B instead of C.
      I have never heard of this before and I am a professor at a state university (which offers degrees up to the PhD). I am good friends with faculty at Stanford, Texas A&M, Oregon State, U. Waterloo, Georgia Tech, U. Toledo, etc. and have never heard of this. I feel free to give all of my students As or Fs depending on the quality of their work and I have had classes where most students failed and other classes where most students got As. If the average in a graduate class is C, something is wrong. This comment reminds me of a story by my (deceased) father-in-law. He got a perfect score on a quiz and received a grade of C; his last name started with the letter "R" and the professor had taken the class list (written in alphabetical order) and given perfect quizes grades of A until he/she had "used up" all the A grades, then had given perfect quizes grades of B until he/she had "used up" all the B grades, etc. down the class list. Your comment makes me think of this kind of stupidity.

  45. Fourty wacks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You could 'social engineer' clearing out your school by calling in a bomb threat, but that's hardly hacking..."

    Although you will notice that no one will dispute that a crazed individual with an axe isn't a "Hacker".

  46. Hacking UCSB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's where all the female computer geeks are...jail.

  47. If they mean... by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

    "Student Engineers, grade hack" rather than "Student engineers grade-hack"...

    I'd grade it an F. (She got caught.)

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    Paleotechnologist and connoisseur of pretty shiny things.
  48. Women. by Clown+Jizz · · Score: 1

    Leave it to a woman to get caught.

    I'm not a mysogynist!

  49. Punishment fit the crime ? by zymano · · Score: 1

    Changing grades = 4 felonies ?

    1. Re:Punishment fit the crime ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Felony charges for computer tampering are really overkill. This kind of thing used to earn a slap on the wrist, back in the 70's and early 80's.

      Also, weren't the "Identity Theft" laws written to address the actual crime of identity theft, which is when someone totally takes over the victim's credit profile, and so on? That doesn't appear to have happened in this case at all. The "Identity Theft" charges seem to be irrelevant.

      At least they didn't jail her for 3 years prior to filing charges, ala Mitnick.

  50. Jr. High school by tardigrades · · Score: 1

    In 9th grade a friend I discovered that we could open up the chooser (macs) on any computer in the school, click on a teachers name, put in their password (super easy guesses... last names in most cases) and have full access to all their files. We read both the school and district rules and found that as long as we didnt change anything we were safe. So during class we would browse that teachers files while they were looking. It was pretty funny considering most of our teachers were pretty cool.

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  51. Careless? by NMEismyNME · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Careless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just because their web server allows directory listing, does not mean the they are completely careless! Poor example if you ask me.

  52. Universities are centers of [openness]. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " They are also centers of research, collectors of learning, venerated halls which house the brightest of the bright."

    Universities are also are suppose to be models of openness. That's why the BSD's and Open Source originated there. Let alone the Internet. Crimminals by definition, are about exploitation. The two naturally are at odds.

  53. So smart, she went to school... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... did she really think there'd be no trail, and no way to repair what she did?

    Obviously not. Obviously, it never occured to her that there are people who work with computers for a living, whose very job definitions are "Maintain this data's integrity. Make sure that we can correct whatever faults are introduced."

    Give her e-mail account a Darwin award. I mean, really...

    Forget what she did for just a moment. When it comes to any even slightly unethical action -- either online or in the physical world -- you're going to leave a trail. Unless you assume from the get-go that you are going to leave a trail, are exceedingly careful, and more than a bit lucky.

  54. Not a Hack ! by Mr+Europe · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is not a Hack but a fraud, felony, break-in ! /. moderators should know the meaning a of a hack.

    1. Re:Not a Hack ! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, a hack is a quick&dirty solution to a problem. This definitively was a quick&dirty solution to the problem of bad grades. Therefore it was a hack.

      SCNR

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  55. Not Much Different by nate+nice · · Score: 1

    How is this any different than the widespread cheating that goes on in campuses everywhere now days? It's common to see students cheating by sharing answers to homework, gathering information from others about previous quizzes/tests and the silly amount of plagiarised papers/code, etc that is turned in as original work and graded as so because it slips by the plagiarism filters? I'm not blaming professors as this is not necessarily their responsibility at all times. It is expected you are there to learn and work hard to get there. But with grades being so important to some people, they will go to great lengths to cheat. The saddest part is many people don't see this as cheating but rather "playing the game".

    The fact this girl changed her grades is of course wrong in every way possible but I give her credit for being original about it. She should have thought it out better but she is better off having been caught. My only point is her type of cheating only scrapes the surface of what I've observed going on around campus.

    I myself have never cheated, although tempted, in any of my courses and I think that gives me an edge on others. But, with so many curved systems, it bothers me to know that you see someone coping someone else's homework get the same, if not better, grade than you. In the end I don't care. I'm not in a personal contest to get the best grades...I do it for myself. But lets make no mistake, cheating is rampant on probably every campus in the world. And lets not even start on parents doing their kids homework in high school with the hope of landing a better college for their brat!

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    1. Re:Not Much Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this any different than the widespread cheating that goes on in campuses everywhere now days? It's common to see students cheating by sharing answers to homework, gathering information from others about previous quizzes/tests and the silly amount of plagiarised papers/code, etc that is turned in as original work and graded as so because it slips by the plagiarism filters? I'm not blaming professors as this is not necessarily their responsibility at all times. It is expected you are there to learn and work hard to get there. But with grades being so important to some people, they will go to great lengths to cheat. The saddest part is many people don't see this as cheating but rather "playing the game".

      You're not a fan of open source software, eh?

    2. Re:Not Much Different by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      That's not my point and in some circumstances it's OK to use so long as you document this (and in fact it is wrong to use it if you don't attach the license with it!). Usually it's OK to use OSS in more advanced classes when you are building a system and in fact I would encourage it. But for classes like a basic programming class where they have one write basic data structures, etc...you cannot. Especially when it is explicitly stated you must write your own code.

      I'm sure you're just making a wise crack here, and I respect that :), but I want it to be known that nate nice is indeed an OSS advocate.

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      "If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer ..."
    3. Re:Not Much Different by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      In my CS classes at Georgia Tech the difference between collaboration on homework (which is encouraged) and plagarism (which will get you expelled) is a clause at the top of the file saying who you worked with.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    4. Re:Not Much Different by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      "The fact this girl changed her grades is of course wrong in every way possible but I give her credit for being original about it."

      Original? I can remember when computers on campus meant mainframes, and when we could access with remote terminals, the very first question many people would ask, would be along the lines of "can you get into the system and change your grades?"

      Sounds like some fool has actually gone and done it, and I'm sure people have tried similar tactics before, but nothing is new under the sun.

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      -fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
  56. "Tech savvy?" by raistphrk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article makes a big deal about how "savvy" this girl is, but seriously - how much knowledge does it require? When you click on the "forgot your password" link, it gives you a prompt with the information it needs to let you change your password. If presented with a website that says "Please enter your SSN and DOB to change your password", it doesn't take a genius to figure out what information to get.

    She did demonstrate some creativity by using her work DB to look up her prof's personal info. However, considering that she did NOTHING to conceal her identity (steal wi-fi, use a proxy, etc), she clearly wasn't a savvy hacker. Smarter than the average user, perhaps, but definitely not a crafty blackhat.

    1. Re:"Tech savvy?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just want to make her sound dangerous in hopes of achieving a disproportionate criminal sentence.

      The times have changed but people haven't. A few hundred years ago, we'd be hearing "Burn, witch!! Burn!!!"

  57. College After Hack by CoolSilver · · Score: 1

    Well at least the person gets to get a college education through our prison system. Although what use is it when a company runs a background check or requires you to have use of a computer system.

    At least they were lucky enough to let their employer know they will be required to give up logs for the user.

  58. RTFA by blackcoot · · Score: 4, Informative

    i suppose i shouldn't be too surprised that a slashdot editor didn't bother to read the article they're posting, but i'd like to point out that in this case the problem was *not* a university being careless about data. the problem is that a student, by abusing her access to confidential data, was able to gain access to the same shared secrets that were used to authenticate network users. to the university's credit, they had an audit system in place which caught the problem.

    1. Re:RTFA by Adam9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being able to reset anyone's password with a birth date and SSN is careless. University passwords typically give you access to e-mail, class registration, bursar statements, private storage space, and many other things. My school requires a photo ID or notarized form to reset a password. UCSB can [and probably will] do more for security. This wasn't some super 1337 cracking going on.

    2. Re:RTFA by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      I think this still classifys them as a bit careless , but in a more social fashion.

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      The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
    3. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems beyond careless to me. This was just waiting to happen.

      Taking personal and semi-private information which properly belongs only in payroll records and reusing that for authentication in a homegrown grading application is more than careless - it is negligent!

    4. Re:RTFA by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      I dunno - let's assume you build a state-of-the-art safe with heavy metal doors and then tape a post-it to said door reading "spare key is under the door mat". Are you then being careless with the contents of the safe? Even if you don't think this is an analogeous situation I don't think you can fault the editor for seeing it this way. (Ok, I don't know either whether he analyzed the topic and came to that conclusion, or whether he just posted it...)

    5. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most professors don't use their netID for anything (the department usually provides them with a computer account, email account, etc.). As such, every time grades have to be entered, every professor has to reset their password on their netID because that's the only time they use it. That's why it has such a simple reset mechanism.

      Applying for a TAship is the same. Every quarter grad students stare blankly at the screen trying to remember their netID password and end up clicking on the "Reset password" link because they don't use their netID for anything else.

  59. No, SSN isn't supposed to be a secret by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's an ID number. The problem is, your name and DOB don't necessiarly uniquely identify you, there are many documented cases of two people being born with the same name on the same day. Also, names are a very easy thing to confuse, you say one thing, they hear another.

    So SSNs are a good identifier. Their primary, and orignal, purpose is to track earnings for social security purposes. However congress later authorized its use for lots of other identification things (like tax ID).

    Now the problem is that for some reason many instutions treat it as a password or the like, rather than ID. They assume names and birthdates are public knowledge, but for some reason an SSN is secret. No, not really. It's just another identifier, and should be treated as such.

    What needs to happen is places like banks, universities, etc need to stop treating it like it's secret. It should be given no more or less weight than information like address, DOB, full name, etc. It's all just tidbits to uniquely identify you.

    Now part of the problem is, short of DNA, how do you really go about verifying your identity? I mean most proofs of identity rely on other proofs of identity. My passport proves my identity, but to prove I should have it I used things like my driver license, birth certificate, and personal details.

    So you can understand why things like SSNs are used for identity purposes, the problem is too much weight is put in them. It's assumed that they are like some kind of secret password that only the person can know, when really they are just like a DOB, not hard to find out.

    1. Re:No, SSN isn't supposed to be a secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Now part of the problem is, short of DNA, how do you really go about verifying your identity?

      People have been relying more and more on a perfect system of identity assignment and retrieval. Maybe that's just a mistake.

      How about we mostly don't worry about it? Most transactions work fine without going so far as establishing identity. People typically just need an answer to a simpler question, like 'are you the same guy who opened this account?' or 'how can we get reimbursed if you trash our hotel room'. If the smaller questions are addressed with less far-reaching identifiers, then global identities are easier to keep secure, and they're less valuable to boot (and if mistakes get made, the cost to repair the damage is lower).

    2. Re:No, SSN isn't supposed to be a secret by matth1jd · · Score: 1

      Banks and univerisities should do more to protect SSNs and other identifiable information. As the parent pointed out if we don't use an SSN what do we use? DNA, retinal scan, etc. It's just easier to assign a number to people as a unique identifier, and any unique identifier should be protected.

      Until DNA identification becomes widespread I'll keep my SSN to myself as much as I can.

    3. Re:No, SSN isn't supposed to be a secret by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 4, Insightful
      SSNs are a good identifier.

      SSNs are a terrible identifier:

      1. They are not universal: They only work for US Citizens and resident aliens who have had lawful employment in the United States.
      2. They are not unique: After somebody dies their number can be recycled. Sometimes they get recycled by accident.
      3. They are still not unique: A person can obtain a new SSN.
      4. There is no referential integrity: A person can write down any nine-digit number they please and claim that it refers to them.
      5. There is no authentication: A person can use your SSN and claim to be you.
      6. They are used outside its scope: SSNs are designed solely to identify the relationship a taxpayer has with the U.S. government.

      Congress later authorized its use for lots of other identification things (like tax ID).

      Congress later authorized its use for one other identification thing (tax ID).

      What needs to happen is places like banks, universities, etc need to stop treating it like it's secret.

      Until SSNs cannot be used in violation of rule 6 and in spite of rule 5, they must treat it as a secret as important as the combination to your safe.

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    4. Re:No, SSN isn't supposed to be a secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until SSNs cannot be used in violation of rule 6 and in spite of rule 5, they must treat it as a secret as important as the combination to your safe.

      How did you know the combination is 65?!?

  60. Super https by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "You have to use an encrypted web browser connection, so if you know that as the geeky https, you have to use an https connection, so that provides the real protection to it," Schmidt said.

    Not to be confused with regular https. Geeky https is where you've been taking too many brain pills and decide to encrypt regular http by hand!!! In 128-bit no less!

    1. Re:Super https by Flendon · · Score: 1

      No no they are saying that anyone who knows what https is must be a geek. I personally am insulted as should all true geeks out there!

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    2. Re:Super https by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *whoosh*

  61. Bwahaha by DaPhoenix · · Score: 1

    This chick is like a lame script kiddie!

    Come on, did she not even bother to watch Hackers? Don't compare her to angelina jolie. At least Jolie helped hacked the gibson from a telephone booth.

    This poor excuse for a script kiddie tried to change her grades from her dorm room and was caught she was logged from her residential IP address. LAME!

    The least she could do was consult her local Blockbuster and rent a movie that would teach her not to be dumb as a tack. Not that I'm condoning Hackers as a movie with any real redeeming technical information (aside from mentioning the Dragon Book -- which owns)...

    I'm pretty much just calling her stupid.

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    -- -=innocent ramblings from the mind of an insomniatic programmer=-
  62. Dr Phil says "Cheaters never win". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No, the smart cheater hacks into the system before the exam, in order to lift the subject (and possibly answers...) from the teacher's homedirectory ;-) Much harder to detect, unless culprits boast about it on Slashdot twelve years after..."

    Smart Cheater. Is that anything like "Military Intelligence"?

    So if cheaters are smart? Then who exactly are they cheating?

    1. Re:Dr Phil says "Cheaters never win". by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Smart Cheater. Is that anything like "Military Intelligence"?

      "Smartness" goes by specialty. Somebody may be smart in the subject matter of "unix system security", but less in "neural networks" for instance.

  63. Another 'F' by Orangez · · Score: 1

    "failed to conceal her IP address from authorities"So she also got an F for cracking?

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    "Never trust a computer you can not throw out of a window..."
    1. Re:Another 'F' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If she was taking the network security class, she would have failed. Professor Giovanni Vigna teaches the Network Security course at UCSB. He's also the first to point out how weak most security on campus is. His second point is that if you get caught, there's hell to pay.

  64. Blow-job at a balloon factory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Blowjob would have done the same without all this popularity. Huh .. kids will never learn."

    Unfortunately this leaves the straight guys out in the cold.

    1. Re:Blow-job at a balloon factory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And lesbians!

  65. Damn her! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's making other female hackers look bad! Damn her!

  66. Put your tinfoil hat's on... by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
    whenever anyone says there is no reason to do something, i get suspicious.

    The reported MAC can be changed at the OS level, and there is no need to alter the card in any way.

    Oh shit!

    Not that I'd condone this, but it actually is that easy. You change the reported MAC address. Not a big deal at all.

    I dunno. I have heard that companies have made PC components that have more information then is known. The electrical pulse. The DNA of the computer world.

    If I really, really, really wanted to hack into something, and I think I would get a cheap NIC card, one I could later burn. What is a MAC address? Something we know? But what don't we know. Printers are being sold that print microscopic dots, so if someone prints a dollar bill the Secret Service will know some things about the person. Can anyone here tell me they have not build that kind of technology in NIC cards?

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    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    1. Re:Put your tinfoil hat's on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a fucking idiot.

      get a clue.

    2. Re:Put your tinfoil hat's on... by name773 · · Score: 1

      you can view all the data that your card sends down the line... i doubt that sort of thing exists.

    3. Re:Put your tinfoil hat's on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one! I'm submitting this to Trollback!

    4. Re:Put your tinfoil hat's on... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Damn! That sys-admin at 10.0.0.1 he is always trying to get into my computer. I think he is angry at me for asking him to put my system on the DMZ. I ran the electrical pulse DNS check and it seems all my traffic is from that Cisco Router that the sys-admin put up.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    5. Re:Put your tinfoil hat's on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put your tinfoil hat's on...

      Okay I have my tinfoil hat, but I didn't know it owned an "on" -- what is that?

    6. Re:Put your tinfoil hat's on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are exactly right. Underneath the barcode label is a nano-RFID tag which broadcasts to a shadowy government agency (OSHA) your current location, constantly. Not everyone, mind you, just you.

  67. And where have you been? by fizbin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Geeks are starting to act like construction workers.
    (Emphasis mine)

    I don't know where you've been, but (no matter what ESR's jargon file says) there's always been a consistent streak of fairly crude sexism in the computer geek world. I'm sure some sociologist has written about it extensively, but it's the kind of thing I see in any large group of (mostly younger) men who are all in competition for alpha male status. (I've watched the sales guys at work, and it's there too)

    Here on slashdot, there's intense competition among the first posts to get something modded up to "funny". I don't know if that's the driver - I'm not a sociologist - but it might have something to do with eliciting this behavior.

    Had this student been male, would there have been a gay sex joke made? Probably, given slashdot, eventually (if nothing else, some GNAA troll would show up), but not in the first 100 posts. (Though actually, the original post's text would work just as well if the student were male...)
    1. Re:And where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you've been, but this is a fact. I've seen women take a class and only show up once then recieve an A, while I actually worked hard for the same grade. In other classes the female in question had to attend and turned out to be dumber than a box of rocks. Pretty, willing and stupid can equate to a good grade with some Profs.
      Before you befuddle us with sociology and demographics bull I'll let you know I'm 45 and take an occasional college class to keep up to date.

    2. Re:And where have you been? by TerminaMorte · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Stop bitching.

      There's all this pressure nowadays to be P.C.

      Why is it offensive for a man to make a sexist remark, when women get applauded for calling men dogs?

      Women are whores, plain and simple.

    3. Re:And where have you been? by Vraeden · · Score: 1

      I don't know where either of you have been, but the crude sexism starts as soon as men learn sex.

      All fields, if you get a group of men around who think they won't be overheard by a woman they care about, participate in making and laughing at these kinds of jokes. The only difference is that geeks have the anonymity of the internet to display it more boldly.

      Of course, not all men make these jokes, just as some women make these jokes. It all depends on the person, his peers, his environment.

    4. Re:And where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whore dosn't even scratch the surface.
      In the islamic world... if they knew what women were... none of them would have right hands... or eye etc.

      Women are not sutable to be wives or mothers unless genetic engineering is applied to their DNA to make them more docile and such.

    5. Re:And where have you been? by jardun · · Score: 1

      If you'll notice, men get applause from men for making sexist remarks like women get applause from women for making "men are dogs" comments. It really works both ways. Though I think it could be argued that the "men are dogs" comments are a retaliation to the social attitudes toward women, where as the sexist comments are simply enjoyment at someone's expense.

    6. Re:And where have you been? by emilymildew · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear. I don't think "men are dogs" comments are funny, but some women do. Does that mean I have to put up with "women are whores" comments?

      That's just silly.

    7. Re:And where have you been? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Though I think it could be argued that the "men are dogs" comments are a retaliation to the social attitudes toward women, where as the sexist comments are simply enjoyment at someone's expense."

      I fail to see sexually related humor as sexist in the first place. I also fail to see how it is at anyones expense. When a male makes a comment like the one that started this thread, he is actually putting men down, not women.

      Also, the male comments about female sexuality are generally compliments regarding the increased desirability of the female gender. The female insults regarding men are just that, blatant insults. And further, from my experience the women actually believe the horrible things they say about men.

    8. Re:And where have you been? by fizbin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "nowadays"? You say that as though you remember a time when it was perfectly acceptable to publically suggest that a woman just go down on a prof if she wants better grades.

      Look, I'm not trying to make you change all occurrences of "he" to "he/she" or some worse neologism, I'm not trying to make sure that all your example sentences have an equal balance of male and female names, and I'm not trying to make sure you hire unqualified employees so that your organization fits some desired overall demographics. I'm just saying - this is crude, and cheap, and symptomatic of a long-standing sexist tradition which exists inside computer geekdom. (and, as others have pointed out, exists elsewhere too)

      To venture into an overstretched analogy, I'm not asking you to wash your hands several dozen times a day and scrub your skin till it bleeds to get the dirt off - I'm just requesting that people not piss on the carpet.

      Also, "dogs" vs "whores"? Do you really believe that these are even vaguely equivalent terms?

    9. Re:And where have you been? by chialea · · Score: 1

      >I don't know where you've been, but this is a fact. I've seen women take a class and only show up once then recieve an A, while I actually worked hard for the same grade.

      Are you just trying to say that there are women in your classes who are smarter than you? You seem somewhat hostile in your post. I'm sure you understand that college grades are not supposed to be effort-based. I have to admit, here I'm speaking as that another one of those low-attendance students you seem to be annoyed at. In my case it was simply a matter of time management, juggling classwork and lectures so as to take more classes and participate in research work. I didn't and don't see it as a problem. When I teach, I also don't see it as a problem.

      > In other classes the female in question had to attend and turned out to be dumber than a box of rocks. Pretty, willing and stupid can equate to a good grade with some Profs.

      Stupid women are certainly not ideal, from my point of view. However, I've noticed an interesting behavior where women will sometiems pretend to be dumb. I'm not sure why, but it seems to happen. Grade adjustment based on gender or attractiveness in academic courses is of course beyond the pale.

      Lea

    10. Re:And where have you been? by fizbin · · Score: 1

      Whether or not some female students exchange sexual favors for grades, though, wasn't what we were talking about.

      Of course that happens. Given the numbers of students and professors in this country, the average professor and student would have to be saints for it to not happen somewhere.

      But, of course, I never claimed that didn't happen, nor did I even say it was uncommon. I said that geeks jockeying for position jumped on the blowjob joke, and that that's to be expected.

      I think you meant to address your comments to someone else.

    11. Re:And where have you been? by winse · · Score: 1

      I thought men are pigs? I am confused as to what animal I am supposed to be. We are a little OT here, but I have long accepted myself as a "pig" I don't think I could switch to being a dog very easily. Although I must admit I don't know what it would entail...I do fear change though.

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    12. Re:And where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Though actually, the original post's text would work just as well if the student were male...)

      Hey, it worked on Friday

    13. Re:And where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine that it takes a little more effort to drop to your knees and open your mouth than take any test's or turn in any work.
      The prof in that class was soon divorced, outed by the college and moved away.
      I hear he's teaching college courses in Hawaii now.
      To my knowledege the young ladies who recieved A's for sex did not recieve any reduction in grade level.
      Now I'm not saying there are not some really dumb men in our colleges or that I wouldn't drop to my knees to eat some pussy for the sake of eating some pussy. I just wouldn't do it for an A, I'd do it because smart women are a turn-on no matter how old or fat (insert other fact here) they are. I fact I'd make certain my grading was harsher than others.
      If you drop to your knees for an A in college your going to be doing it for the rest of your life.

    14. Re:And where have you been? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is it offensive for a man to make a sexist remark, when women get applauded for calling men dogs?

      Women are whores, plain and simple.


      So you say all women are whores, and then you're surprised when you get called a dog. (Or whatever.)

      Here's a radical idea: how about both sexes lay off the name-calling. You can call this PC if you like; I see it as a matter of simple politeness.

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    15. Re:And where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a radical idea: how about both sexes lay off the name-calling. You can call this PC if you like; I see it as a matter of simple politeness.
      Actually I would prefer that the people that feel the need to use name calling continue. I've found that to be the quickest way to identify people I avoid.

    16. Re:And where have you been? by phats+garage · · Score: 1
      Stupid women are certainly not ideal, from my point of view. However, I've noticed an interesting behavior where women will sometiems pretend to be dumb. I'm not sure why, but it seems to happen. Grade adjustment based on gender or attractiveness in academic courses is of course beyond the pale.

      I highly recommend the dumb approach even for males. For instance when I call for tech support, I put immense effort into conveying teh stupid to the support analyst, this way I get my information in very unambiguous terms and rarely need to do any follow up for incomplete information.

    17. Re:And where have you been? by DanTMan · · Score: 1

      Lighten up Francis!

    18. Re:And where have you been? by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 1

      As a professor, I have to think "students exchange sexual favors for grades" is very uncommon, not totally absent but not at all common. As a (male) undergraduate student (many years ago), I had an older (female) English professor come on to me; I played dumb and did not notice her hints but I met a guy later who slept with her once a week for a grade (A). There is no question that this kind of thing happens but a professor is risking her/his career and it is just not worth it. Some professor in the law school at the University of Kansas lost his job because of a blow job (10 years ago?). Faculty at UC Berkeley had some problems 10-15 years ago because of sexual issues. These are just the first two examples to come to mind; I would guess there are more ( well, the University of Colorado except no one lost a job because of rape - only the university president resigned). A faculty member would be crazy to trade a little sex for a career; most people in academia are not this dumb.

    19. Re:And where have you been? by Tassach · · Score: 1
      "nowadays"? You say that as though you remember a time when it was perfectly acceptable to publically suggest that a woman just go down on a prof if she wants better grades.
      Oh come on. Don't act as if it never happens. Trading sex for grades is as old as the educational system itself. And talking about it is just as old. The only thing different is that instead of the pub or the locker room, we can talk about it on the intraweb.
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    20. Re:And where have you been? by Tassach · · Score: 1
      A faculty member would be crazy to trade a little sex for a career; most people in academia are not this dumb.
      People are people. Smart people are just as prone to do foolhardy things as stupid ones. Maybe even moreso, because smarter people are more likely to think that they're smart enough not to get caught. If they're careful and discrete, they get often away with it. Sometimes they get caught, and this can result in a messy spectacle like the ones you describe.

      Sex is an extremely powerful primal urge that's hard-wired in to our bodies. "Thinking with the little head" isn't just a cliche, it's a real phenomonon.

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    21. Re:And where have you been? by Grab · · Score: 1

      For your reference, there's just as consistent a "streak of fairly crude sexism" in large groups of women. You might also find that Irish jokes are more common in groups without Irish people, etc, etc. Most jokes involve the denigration of a person or stereotype, and most people are smart (or sensitive) enough not to insult people by repeating those jokes around people likely to be offended by it. This does not equate to a discriminatory attitude.

      What you might like to note though is that in spite of the occasional sexist jokes, most geeks prefer to go on quality of work rather than gender/race/whatever.

      Grab.

    22. Re:And where have you been? by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 1

      OK, give me some examples.

  68. Re:It's hard to believe... by Darkangael · · Score: 0

    I think the point is that Universities in the US are being hacked far too often and that people's personal information is being easily exposed. The deal is that she successfully hacked something which should be way more secure and isn't a particularly good hacker.

  69. Huh? by mikeg22 · · Score: 1

    The university's grading system, eGrades, is an in-house program that professors can access via the Internet to submit and alter students' grades. eGrades uses UCSB NetID, a campuswide authentication system, to check a user's identity. If a user forgets their password, they can reset it by entering their Social Security number and date of birth

    Am I the only one who thinks this is a ridiculously shortsighted authentication system? Its not that difficult to get a person's (professor's) ss# and date of birth. I could pay $100 right now and get Henry Yang's (UCSB Chancellor) ss# and date of birth. Please tell me I misread this!

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who thinks this is a ridiculously shortsighted authentication system?

      Nope. We're all in agreement on this issue, I'm sure. You did read correctly.

  70. What grade did they give her? by balaam's+ass · · Score: 1

    So, come on now, tell me:
    What grade did the student engineers of UCSB give the girl for her hack? ;-)

  71. Some comments by vectorian798 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First, yes this does show that something is wrong with the security of campuses...I am at UCB and I recall that sometime last year we got an email through an instructional (class) account saying that our Student ID Numbers might have been compromised and that they are looking into it. While there isn't much one can do with SID's, it still kinda got me worried - I mean what if they got our passwords or something, and what if it was the same password as say the registration system (where someone could actually unregister you from Berkeley...).

    I understand that since universities are prominent institutions, they may be the target of many different attacks but on the flip side, since so many students and faculty members are part of the university community, there should be that much more done in terms of security. I sure as hell don't want anything about me compromised (boy am I glad only the grad students' ssn were stolen the other day).

    And also, to those who talk about how easy it is to cheat, it isn't. Almost all CS classes (for example) have a hardcore system that checks your code against everyone else's. Yes, it does take care of changing variable names and whatnot, it checks logic - and if you get caught (which many do) you will get an email telling you who you stole from, how much you stole, how much is deducted, etc. So in short, cheating is not easy.

    There are comparable systems for say papers in humanities' courses, although checking natural language is a lot harder of course - but I believe those systems DO check against a massive database of published papers to see if you plagiarized from outside sources (in addition to checks with other students). And as for exams, it is rare for people to cheat - usually TA's are walking all over - if it was so easy to cheat as some people here say it is, then I am sure many bright college students would figure it out (and the bright TA's and professors would probably respond to it quickly too).

  72. UCSB by Jmechy · · Score: 2, Funny

    University of Computer Skills and Bowhunting.

    1. Re:UCSB by Jmechy · · Score: 2, Funny

      or rather, instead of the typical "University of Casual Sex and Booze" that we are always labeled as, now we can have something to really look up to! "University of Computer Skills and Bullshit"

    2. Re:UCSB by kryptkpr · · Score: 1

      "University of Casual Sex and Booze"

      Holy shit.. all this time I was going to the wrong university. I'm not getting anywhere near the level of the above two things as you'd expect from a university education. Where do I enroll in your wonderful establishment?

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  73. tfa: https is "geeky" by mako1138 · · Score: 1

    Schmidt said although eGrades is accessible through the Internet, there are security precautions that protect it from unauthorized usage.

    "You have to use an encrypted web browser connection, so if you know that as the geeky https, you have to use an https connection, so that provides the real protection to it," Schmidt said.


    So that's why Amazon.com uses https - they want to protect their ordering system from unauthorized non-geeks.

    Seriously though, there was not very much "technical savvy" in this "hacking" incident.

  74. Argh! by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    Pop under ads!!!!

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  75. From someone with a degree in Physics... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    ... we did have some REALLY cool gals in our class back then! ;-)

    Archaeology, maybe?...

    Paul B.

  76. WarGames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was the password "pencil"?

  77. HTTPS == "protection" by Cramer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • "You have to use an encrypted web browser connection, so if you know that as the geeky https, you have to use an https connection, so that provides the real protection to it," Schmidt said.
    I certainly hope those aren't his exact words. Otherwise, I'd have to say, he's complete f'ing idiot. SSL is not "real protection". At it's very best, it stops people from snooping. And having seen, first hand, how a number of universities manage SSL web servers, I would not be surprised in the least if they were using/allowing 48 bit SSL (which any modern computer can crack in less than a day.) HTTPS vs. HTTP didn't have a damned thing to do with this "hack".

    Maybe the university would like to explain why they are using a person's SSN as a form of identification in explicit violation of the Socal Security Act of 1970. Btw, that's a serious felony that trumps the student's 4 (lame) felonies... just saying my name is [something other than my name] is a felony now? What. The. Fuck.
    1. Re:HTTPS == "protection" by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 1

      SSL, even at 48 bits, may not be "real" protection against 733T haX0rz, but it is "real-world" protection. Even snooping on an unencrypted HTTP transaction takes considerable effort unless it's an inside job (which, admittedly, it usually is).

      By the same token (no pun intended), the lock on my front door would be a joke to any professional locksmith of thief, and yet somehoe my stuff is still here every day when I get home from work.

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    2. Re:HTTPS == "protection" by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      An SSL certificate is not a lock on the front door. It provides secure transmission, not authentication.

      Have a think about that for a moment and you'll realise what the parent poster is saying.

    3. Re:HTTPS == "protection" by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 1

      Obviously. I was referring to the parent poster's objection to 48-bit encryption.

      Have a think about that for a moment and you'll realise what I'm saying.

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  78. Yes, Schools need some IT security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides everyone's favorite memory of bypassing the computer security at highschool (i did this about between 6 and 12 different ways)...

    On my campus my friend found an anonymous FTP and downloaded a file. That file just happened to contain the names, SSN, and other information of all the international students...

    They decided to tell the university. one roomate worked for the IT department and told them about the FTP.

    later that day, the FBI gets a warrent to search the appartment. The roomate working in IT gets fired, the roomate who downloaded the file gets expelled (overturned), and a third roomate has his computer taken (still not returned, taken august 2004).

    oddly enough the university couldn't really do anything, as there was no laws regarding logging into public sites, nor was there a campus policy about it. still, it justified expelling one student, firing another, and telling a computer engineer that he couldn't use computers on campus for a few months...

  79. From a former Uni employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With other computing snafus recently making headlines, are universities too careless with their data?

    Yes, yes they are. From "student IDs" (aka your social security number) to passwords that haven't changed in over 10 years that access "test" databases with actual, unencrypted passwords... it's a wonder this isn't happening more frequently. I was given access to the complete student record when I was just a student employee too. I was shocked at the amount of trust my manager put in someone they had only known a week.

    Knowing how bad things are, when I recently signed up for an extended learning class at another university, I asked if they could give me a number other than my SSN for my ID. Their answer was a flat no... which is ridiculous because I'm sure they make up a number for foreign students, they surely don't have SSNs.

    1. Re:From a former Uni employee by Xuranova · · Score: 1

      I'm 99% sure there is currently law that states no organization(short of the feds) can make you use your SSN as an ID number and they have to change it at your request. I know the DMV(I'm in VA) had to change my Driver ID when i requested.(It used to be my SSN)

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    2. Re:From a former Uni employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks. You don't happen to know the name of the law? I'll make a call to the university I'm enrolled in tomorrow and make the demand, but it'd be nice to be able to name the law that gives me this right.

    3. Re:From a former Uni employee by Xuranova · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok I was sorta right:
      "How can a school use my Social Security number?

      Publicly-funded schools and those that receive federal funding must comply with the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act in order to retain their funding (FERPA, also known as the "Buckley Amendment," enacted in 1974, 20 USC 1232g). One of FERPA's provisions requires written consent for the release of educational records or personally identifiable information, with some exceptions. The courts have stated that Social Security numbers fall within this provision.

      FERPA applies to state colleges, universities and technical schools that receive federal funding. An argument can be made that if such a school displays students' SSNs on identification cards or distributes class rosters or grades listings containing SSNs, it would be a release of personally identifiable information, violating FERPA. However, many schools and universities have not interpreted the law this way and continue to use SSNs as a student identifier. To succeed in obtaining an alternate number to the SSN, you will probably need to be persistent and cite the law. Social Security numbers may be obtained by colleges and universities for students who have university jobs and/or receive federal financial aid. In Krebs v. Rutgers, the court ruled that SSNs are "educational records" under FERPA (Krebs v. Rutgers, 797 F. Supp. 1246 (D.N.J. 1992)).

      The FERPA text can be found at the web, www.cpsr.org/cpsr/privacy/ssn/ferpa.buckley.html. For the U.S. Department of Education's web site on FERPA, see www.ed.gov/offices/OM/fpco/ferpa/index.html.

      Public schools, colleges and universities that ask for your SSN fall within the provisions of another federal law, the Privacy Act of 1974. This act requires such schools to provide a disclosure statement telling students how the Social Security number is used. If you are required to provide your SSN, be sure to look for the school's disclosure statement. If one is not offered, you may want to file a complaint with the school, citing the Privacy Act.

      When the school is a private institution, your only recourse is to work with the administration to change the policy or at least to let you use an alternate identification number as your student ID."

      You can find other info at :
      http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs10-ssn.htm

      Hope this helps. :)

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    4. Re:From a former Uni employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laws, schmaws. This is a University we're talking about. Why should they start becoming accountable now?

    5. Re:From a former Uni employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good info. Thanks!

  80. Punishing the inventive... by benow · · Score: 1

    discourages inventiveness and increases possiblity of writing off the punishers... prepare for soup stewing. Where's the voice that perhaps the students have surpassed the teachers? (in system security and use, most obviously) A measured and productive response would be to change policy (improve systems, increase openness) and participatory rationalization and system introspection (open discussion between educators, parents and children, with actual response to change in the environment)... as it stands, the whole point of education seems to be to funnel the innocent into lives of obedience and disjected proponency of authoritarianism. Perhaps there's not the funding . Throwing up walls between teachers and students is no good for anyone. The best way to learn is to teach, but learning requires a nurturing environment, not unquestionable dictation. As teachers, they've the most to learn.

    1. Re:Punishing the inventive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm trying to figure out what point you are making here but all you managed to do was to use a bunch of technical catchphrases that do not really seem to have much to do with the situation at hand. I think it is really pushing the envelope to call what the woman did as "inventive".

    2. Re:Punishing the inventive... by benow · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Yeah. I had a good bit of Chartruese last night and was quite vocal. What I was trying to get at is that it seems to be the way to automatically punish, rather than looking for alternatives that would improve the state of affairs. I'm not exactly sure what would be that improvement, myself... I just feel it cheapens education systems to rely on punishment if the deed was an exploitation of a hole only there due to stagnation... if that makes any more sense.

  81. Because she's a terrorist, duh! by peccary · · Score: 1

    [quote]Do they really want to send people like this girl to prison for several years? For what reason? [/quote]There's no joy in gaining power if you don't exert it. Every ill-conceived law will eventually be abused by an "ambitious", "hungry", "eager" young assistant DA trying to work the angles towards a federal judgeship.

    How many of those federal judges used to be defense attorneys, and how many used to be prosecutors?

    The system is inherently flawed.

  82. Is SSL breakable? by mi · · Score: 1
    When campuses use SSL protected systems for grades it is just asking for trouble. [...] Basicly ARP needs to get secure

    What's wrong with using encryption at higher levels? Like, indeed, SSL?

    True, browsers and other software store passwords in files, which are usually accessed unencrypted (SMB, vanilla NFS), but these file are usually encrypted these days -- decrypted only by the software itself.

    Why encrypt ARP, again?

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    1. Re:Is SSL breakable? by DarKry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Go here, SSL is insecure if the key exchange is sniffed. Ettercap does this and ssh1 in real time as it sniffs. Its a fun program to play with. There is an option to just leave it on and let it log all passwords to a file. I was amazed when I first found it and have spent a ton of time in the source figuring out how it works. Cool stuff.

    2. Re:Is SSL breakable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      SSL is insecure if the key exchange is sniffed.

      Huh?

      There are two SSL key exchange methods which are mostly used: (1) RSA and (2) ephemeral Diffie Hellman.

      With (1), the client (browser) picks a random 48-byte key k, PKCS1 pads this, then raises it to the server's public exponent (e) mod N and sends that.

      With (2), the client and server do a diffie hellman key exchange with the addition of the server signing his (so that the client can be sure he's talking to the server) with his RSA private key.

      In neither case can the pre-master secret be obtained by a sniffer. In case (1), obtaining the pre-master secret from C = PKCS1( k )^e mod N implies being able to find e'th roots mod N (good luck with that). With the latter, the sniffer has: g^a mod p and g^b mod p, finding g^ab mod p is exactly the diffie hellman problem, good luck with that, too.

    3. Re:Is SSL breakable? by PGillingwater · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is not breaking SSL. The problem is that tools like ettercap and CAIN (for Windows) can perform a Man In the Middle attack, where they use ARP cache poisoning to interpose themselves between the SSL client and SSL server BEFORE the session is established. Then, when the client tries to connect to the server, the MITM will fetch the client information, and use it to establish its own session to the server -- then quickly fake a certificate which it feedback back to the client.

      Admittedly, most browsers will detect this, and throw up a dialogue box -- but due to poor training or understanding of security, 99% of users will simply click away the warning to get their application, and will happily login and access information, while the MITM steals all packets without having to attack the encryption.

      SSL and SSHv1 are both vulnerable to this type of attack. SSHv2 and IPSEC will resist it, and fail the connection, which is correct behaviour.

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    4. Re:Is SSL breakable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly does SSHv2 or IPSec resist a man in the middle attack? I thought SSHv2 still does a key exchange which means man in the middle attacks should still work.

    5. Re:Is SSL breakable? by infiniti99 · · Score: 1

      SSL and SSHv1 are both vulnerable to this type of attack. SSHv2 and IPSEC will resist it, and fail the connection, which is correct behaviour.

      To be fair, this is an application issue, not a flaw in SSL/TLS. It's true, many SSL-based applications do allow the user to "continue" after receiving a bad certificate, but this is not something inherent in the protocol.

      And SSH doesn't use X.509, so it's not fair to compare it to SSL. If anything this makes SSH even more prone to "stupid user" man-in-the-middle attacks.

    6. Re:Is SSL breakable? by DenDave · · Score: 1
      Why encrypt ARP, again?
      Because we can!! Ahoogle!!!
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    7. Re:Is SSL breakable? by mi · · Score: 1
      SSL is insecure if the key exchange is sniffed
      It exploits a human/administrative problem -- the user pressing "Continue" when alerted to the certificate mismatch. Maybe, the applications should not even offer that option.

      Encrypting ARP will not solve that -- there can be other methods for "man-in-the-middle" attacks.

      Plus whatever method you chose for ARP-encryption, it will, likely, suffer from the same weakness of having to allow to "continue" in case of misconfiguration (or an attack masquarading as such).

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    8. Re:Is SSL breakable? by generationxyu · · Score: 2, Informative

      SSL and SSHv1 are both vulnerable to this type of attack. SSHv2 and IPSEC will resist it, and fail the connection, which is correct behaviour.

      Ettercap can also detect an SSH connection going out and respond to the client saying that the server only allows SSHv1. The default client behavior is to initiate the connection over SSHv1 (this is wrong). Ettercap then sniffs the key exchange and forwards the connection (over SSHv2 this time) to the remote server. The server thinks you're connecting through SSHv2, from your machine. The only real workaround is to ABSOLUTELY disable client support for SSHv1.

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    9. Re:Is SSL breakable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming that the MITM attacker knows when the professor is in his/her office doing grades, AND has access to a computer on the same VLAN (at the least) of either the client or the server. Your stretching things a bit. There's a lot of "if's" in your scheme that 99% of even the best C-average students will not be able to overcome. There's nothing wrong with SSL in a decent sized (>5,000 students) academic environment. In smaller schools VPN access is more ideal due to the fact that it would be easier for attackers to be "closer" to the client or server on the network.

  83. SSL Security by LogicX · · Score: 1

    I can't believe they quoted Kevin Schmidt, campus network programmer for the Office of Information Technology as saying:

    ...although eGrades is accessible through the Internet, there are security precautions that protect it from unauthorized usage.
    "You have to use an encrypted web browser connection, so if you know that as the geeky https, you have to use an https connection, so that provides the real protection to it," Schmidt said.

    I know I feel better now, knowing they protect people from accessing and altering their grading system WITH AN SSL CERT.

    That's an embarrassment.

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  84. Public Shares at a MAJOR University by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not going to say where, but it's a major school. I know that most of the professors do not realize that the network drives they are using like local drives are public by default. Some professors like to use them since they can access those drives anywhere on campus. Any somewhat knowledgeable student, even with a guest login, can browse through them and see everything that the professors think is private. Tests, answer keys, quizzes, family pictures, and yes, even porn. Anything they save on the drive.

    Also note, student shares are also public by default, so you can browse other student's homework if you get stuck on a problem ;)

    It's been like that for YEARS.

    1. Re:Public Shares at a MAJOR University by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, don't tell anyone what university this is at so that the problem never gets fixed.

      You are part of the problem, not the solution.

  85. Female? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have to say, I'm not normally one to make a sexist comment, but was anybody else here just the LEAST bit surprised that this was done by a female? I know I sure was. I mean, kudos to her, but I certainly wasn't expecting a girl to ever do this.

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    1. Re:Female? by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Kudos?

      A person breaks the law and you offer kudos?

    2. Re:Female? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      We're hearing about it because it was an incompetently executed hack, after all. With that in mind, no I'm not surprised it was a female.

    3. Re:Female? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "[W]as anybody else here just the LEAST bit surprised that this was done by a female?"

      No, actually. I've seen women sink to far lower depths in order to compete with other women, than men normally will. Women fight dirty, the ones that fight.

    4. Re:Female? by Keick · · Score: 1

      >A person breaks the law and you offer kudos?

      Got to give her something to eat in the slammer.

    5. Re:Female? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in cambridge, mass, there have been other instances of girls who did social engineering scams using the internet and got caught...

    6. Re:Female? by wintermute1000 · · Score: 1

      I was on the phone with my boyfriend when I read the story, and since he is also a UC alum, I thought it would be of interest to him. His reaction: "Whoa. She? Hot!"

      So, no, you weren't the only one. I thought it was pretty savvy myself right up until I saw she did the trick fro her home computer. If UCSB is anything like my UC campus, there are plenty of public computers that require no personal identifiers to log in - she would have been right out in the open, but this doesn't sound like something that would have taken more than a few minutes to do, and I don't think she would have been traceable - could wear sunglasses and a hat for good measure, perhaps.

      I wonder what UCSB is going to do about this. If they don't act quickly I'm sure there will be copycat incidents soon, and this time the kids won't do it from home.

    7. Re:Female? by gymell · · Score: 1

      And I'm not surprised that the people who are making stupid gender-related comments are male.

    8. Re:Female? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      A person breaks the law and you offer kudos?

      IMO I would not give this person kudos.

      BUT a lawbreaker does not mean that a person is evil or doing an immoral action.

      If a law is unjust by an unfair government and someone breaks it then kudos to them.

      Like say those who got burned at the stake for being Protestant Christians in the 1600's when the government said the only legal one was being Catholic. (Not saying one religion is better than the other, but this is the first example I can think of that everyone would agree on lawbreaking is just).

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  86. Two idiots... HTTPS and Computers for Idiots.... by Mechcozmo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "You have to use an encrypted web browser connection, so if you know that as the geeky https, you have to use an https connection, so that provides the real protection to it," Schmidt said.

    So... uh.... wha???

    If she captured packets, then yeah, this idiot might have a valid point but what the hell is this guy talking about otherwise?

    And this isn't hacking. It isn't even cracking. It's "I guessed a freaking password! But didn't know jack crap about anything else so I got busted. Oh well. At least that Schmidt guy will give me 'Computers for Idiots" when he is done with it."

  87. Well... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

    ... Except for the whole IP address thing, I think she should at least have gotten extra credit in her computer class.

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  88. Carelessness? Just being slack... by brlancer · · Score: 1
    There are only about 70 people that can do the endorsements on campus....For some of my volunteer work, I am the clerk for one of these advisors. One of the things the advisor asked me to do was to enter in endorsements into the computer....Advisors were asked to keep the password in strict confidence, and not to disclose them to anyone, under any circumstances.

    Like their student clerks? All of that whiz bang security was negated because an advisor didn't want to do the paperwork himself. Whether the password was disclosed to you or they typed it in and gave you free reign, there was no "security".

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    1. Re:Carelessness? Just being slack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That was my thought exactly! The parent goes through an elaborate description of the security of this system and the honor code, and then tells how the professor disclosed the password to him/her. Amazing! It's the professor who is violating the honor code (if he truly has rules not to disclose the password, and violated the rules).

      In fact, I thought that was the point the parent was going to make, but noooo....

  89. The professors' password, of course... by mrjb · · Score: 4, Funny

    was 'pencil'. That week. Written down on a piece of paper carefully kept in the drawer.

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  90. Just for comparison.... by ShamusYoung · · Score: 1
    What would they have done to this chick if she had beaten an old lady and made off with her purse?

    I'm willing to bet she wouldn't be facing as much jail time, she wouldn't be in the news, and she wouldn't have had bail set at $25,000.

    Just some perspective.

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    1. Re:Just for comparison.... by hazem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Compromising the grade-system destroy's the common-people's faith in "the system", so it has to be punished more.

      Beating up old ladies only destorys faith in the person who did it.

      It's one reason petty counterfeiters are hit so harder than a petty theft. It's not like the few $100's they make will actually lead to inflation. But if enough people get away with it then it leads to a general lack of faith and confidence in the dollar. That's a bad thing, since the whole economy works on the idea that we all pretty much believe a dollar is worth the same thing.

    2. Re:Just for comparison.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $750G bail is set for second suspect in bodega killing

      Give me a break, the system is not lenient toward violent criminals.

    3. Re:Just for comparison.... by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hehe, that means politicians are pretty much equal to counterfeiters, they are very adept at producing 'a general lack of faith and confidence in the dollar'.

      In fact counterfeiting doesn't even come close to the kind of effect a good elected official can achieve in this respect :)

    4. Re:Just for comparison.... by Garabito · · Score: 1
      Compromising the grade-system destroy's the common-people's faith in "the system", so it has to be punished more.

      Why does it have to be punished more just because it destroys people's faith in the system?

      If the system is so vulnerable, it doesn't deserve people's faith.

    5. Re:Just for comparison.... by hazem · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying it's the way it should be. It's just the way it is.

      It's the system that dishes out the punishment for crimes. Since that system has a vested interest in protecting itself, clearly it will punish crimes that hurt it more than it will punish crimes that hurt the "common" plebian.

      For a politician in the US, it's the people's faith in the constitution that allows them do their thing. If people start questioning that, then everything can come into question and society will mostly likely degrade into an anarchy of dog-eat-dog, and domination by the strongest.

      Maybe it's already that way, but the "system" is in place to keep people complacent enough that they don't mount revolutions when they're unhappy.

  91. Something similar happened to me by aepervius · · Score: 1

    In some Pascal Classes (yeah... that was long ago) I got perfect scores without coming to the classes at all, whereas a lot of people had slightly above average. The professor decided to take action for the last exam, and put me in a corner, two desk away from everybody, and a SECOND professor came on to observe me for the whole exam. She admited as much afterward. Result : Everybody else got a bottom low score, and I still got my next to perfect score. It was clear from the question asked and the results, that the contrary to what she thougth happened : all people in all direction peeked at my papers, and I was not cheating. She discussed about it with me afterward but it was rather funny, if she had discussed with me and the other it would have gotten apparent that I already had a lot of pascal experience before university whereas the other student were "sinking" completly and lost. 5 Minutes conversation with student would had been enough to check that. But hey, professor speaking with student, the horror, the horrors....

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  92. -1, Shitty Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you said:

    USCB student action : hack :: terrorist attack : prank

    I think we would agree that a terrorist attack is much more serious than a prank. So by your piss poor analogy, that would mean that what this gal did was a much more serious / severe form of a 'hack.'

    I don't believe that's what you intended to communicate; think first next time. That way even if you're making a pedestrian, tired, cliched point, you may at least do so competently. That's all.

    1. Re:-1, Shitty Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's exactly what I meant. I just can't think of a better way to express it.

      My preferred definition of 'hack' is very much like 'play' or 'explore'. Computer cracking counts only if there is a clever and harmless payload. Actually, the payload is the hack; the cracking in is just the means to an end.

      In this case, the payload was fraud. It wasn't interesting, amusing, clever, creative, playful or anything like that...so it wasn't a hack in my book.

      I hope, in this light, my analogy makes more sense.

  93. You got it wrong.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Geeks are starting to act like construction workers..."if a woman wants to get ahead, all she has to do is suck some dick."

    Hate to break it to you, but that's not how you get head. (Insert smiley here)
  94. Is it only me? by jetmarc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it only me, or did you as well notice that a hacked computer login is now called "identity theft" as in "credit card fraud" and all the other stuff we use to associate with it?

    1. Re:Is it only me? by R.Caley · · Score: 2
      id you as well notice that a hacked computer login is now called "identity theft"

      She didn't hack the login, she used ID information to impersonate the professors and get the passwords changed.

      Given the level of security, it's perhaps better called ``identity casually picked up off the floor where it was just lying around'', but it's clearly a subclass of identity theft.

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    2. Re:Is it only me? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Why would any secure system let you reset your password with only 29 bits of entropy (DoB an SSN)? All possible combinations could be tried in seconds...

      Stealing the SSN is a waste of time. Just guess it!

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    3. Re:Is it only me? by Johnny5000 · · Score: 1

      Why would any secure system let you reset your password with only 29 bits of entropy (DoB an SSN)? All possible combinations could be tried in seconds...

      Most systems wont let you guess a few thousand times for a password- they usually lock you out after the first 3 or 4 incorrect tries.

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    4. Re:Is it only me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see, 29 bits is 512 Million. Every system I've worked on has a 3-second delay after entering an incorrect password, so that's ... Yeah, just a few seconds.

  95. My University Hasnt Learned... by Fepple · · Score: 1

    I do a comp science degree... the holes I've seen at my uni are rather large. For example, we sit some exams on PCs, but if you go on MSN while in the test nobody will notice... Citrix sessions on public terminals with username/password for the server saved to machine. FTP servers running software with known exploits.

    lol, and you can "net send" the machines projected in the 400 people lecture halls. I havent even been looking for holes/etc these are just really obvious.

    As for plagarism... thats a bit of a joke really. I know people that have paid someone on the internet to write a piece of software for their coursework... they then paid him extra to make two copies of it which look different.

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  97. we dont have by nepalguy · · Score: 1

    In our University we dont have such previliges.

    1. Re:we dont have by 404forbidden · · Score: 1

      in soviet russia, the passwords guess you !

  98. the only way to win is not to play by 404forbidden · · Score: 1

    i believe the password was "pencil", but WOPR probably decided otherwise.

  99. Affirmative action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, little, cute, white suburban kiddies... Affirmative action is practiced by the UC system. It's unbelievable. Most on you people from Kansas will refuse to accept reality. What's her name? Ramirez? Yeah... it's "never" affirmative action when it's obvious... but we still "need" affirmative action. Yeah, right...

    1. Re:Affirmative action. by wk633 · · Score: 1

      *BZZT* wrong. Google for Proposition 209. Or what, you think a student with the last name 'Ramirez' is evidence of affirmative action? Then you're just a moron. What, you didn't get in?

  100. Would you like to play a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It really is the best way to avoid summer school.

  101. Don't sweat it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people WANT to be offended. If you look to find offense hard enough, you'll get offended.

    Well, since we're offtopic. Words with gender: "Chairman is sexist because it implies that only men get the top jobs". Well, if that is the condordance required to make that assumption, what about the words man, human and woman?

    Is that saying man is less than human (because it has fewer letters) and woman is more than human because it is longer in proportional fonts? Because if we can make the link "Chairman" -> "Men in chanrge" then this one is at least more overt. I mean, "ChairMAN" has the same three letters in common with men as women, wheras "Chairwoman" has three more letters than man has and all of them are in woman. "Chairperson" is worse because it dehumanises the position. It is now a neuter position - men have been emasculated and women have lost their difference.

    So how about we drop reading more into a word than is meant to be there and read into any ambiguity the *best* interpretation of what the speaker meant rather than the *worst*?

    1. Re:Don't sweat it by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Huh? It's emasculating to call someone a person?

      "Chairperson" is worse because it dehumanises the position

      Because we all know that people aren't human.

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    2. Re:Don't sweat it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to read offense in a name, then yes. That was my point. People often seem to look for offense if there is ambiguity. I've merely used one of the archetype PC name changes to show how it too can be misconstrued if you wish. This is because if ChairMAN means male, ChairPERSON if occupied by a male is not male any more. Emasculation.

      Yes it is a reach, but no worse that "Chairman is sexist".

    3. Re:Don't sweat it by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      Words with gender

      Very few words in English have gender (pronouns basicly).

      From there on you just get more and more confused...

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    4. Re:Don't sweat it by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

      As emasculating is defined as reducing or eliminating maleness, yes.

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  102. Blame the culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I was finishing out my engineering studies with the required Ethics class taught by the department chair, he actually encouraged everyone to lie on their resumes, but in a way that was difficult to catch. No, it wasn't anything like civil engineering, just metallugical. Have a nice flight....

  103. Take off the tinfoil... by digitalchinky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are a significant number of reasons why electronic fingerprinting of the underlying modulation methods will not work - the same NRZI (or whatever encoding) stream will be modified every single time it passes through another 'box' Basically you will not (necessarily) be getting the actual electrons sent from the target machine, so any analysis is somewhat futile.

    The manufacturer will list common tolerances for each NIC, but it makes no financial sense to database pulse characteristics for the 'millions upon millions' of cards currently in the world.

    RADAR can be fingerprinted very accurately, the key difference is you receive the radiated energy directly from the emitter itself.

    Not to disagree with you fully, there are other methods people are trying, but they are mostly borderline snake oil. Traffic analysis is the only viable solution, think of it like sifting through someones garbage, their friends garbage, and their friends friends garbage, and.... up to three or four association levels, any more and you begin to have issues with storage capacity.

    Fingerprinting is indeed possible, but it will require very close access to the targets machine. Rarely possible without being noticed. Impossible unless you already know where the source is located.

    I can expertly tell you there is no such technology in consumer network cards that will fire off information to 'them' - this can be confirmed with an off the shelf o-scope and some knowledge of coding schemes. Any other method can be detected with software. Protocol analysis.

    No conspiracy.

    1. Re:Take off the tinfoil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you weren't aware that the ethernet protocol specifies an algorithm to follow when there is a collision. Each NIC waits a variable amount of time before retransmitting after a collision, the time doubling if there are additional collisions. This "random" time period is actually specified and closely monitored by the NSA for every NIC card, and the unique signature of colissions and binary exponential backoff logged by supercomputers in Virginia. This data was used to cause the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    2. Re:Take off the tinfoil... by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "No conspiracy"

      Sure. That's just what they *want* you to think.

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    3. Re:Take off the tinfoil... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      I can't figure out if you are trolling, serious, or simply joking...

      I guess this all knowing super computer is in the same basement level room as the space aliens yes?

  104. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  105. Felony by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I find it bad, that changing your grade counted as 4 counts felony.

    3 Strikes and you can goto prison for life, its no longer just 3 dangerous felonies see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony

    http://www.facts1.com has some good info on how the law is abused. Then put mandatory sentencing on top, you really get ground up in the system...

    She can loose her right to vote, her DNA kept on file as a criminal, she is now considered a dangerous criminal in the eyes of the law.

    Hey, she could get busted for smoking a joint, or filling out a DMV record incorrect and serve 25 years in prison. Thanks to 3 strike laws.

    But hey, you feel safe now, right?

    1. Re:Felony by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Granted this can be abused let's not forget that tampering with a university computer isn't a "minor" event. It can potentially affect many peoples lives.

      Suppose you decide you really should have that engineering degree but just don't want to study... Now you're in the middle of building a 90-storey office complex and you have about 40% of the knowledge you need ....

      And besides, I had to drudge through college without cheating [which included repeating some classes] why shouldn't she?

      Tom

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    2. Re:Felony by parliboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_strikes_law

      "Three strikes laws are a category of statutes enacted by state governments in the United States, beginning in the 1990s, to mandate long periods of imprisonment for persons convicted of a felony on three (or more) separate occasions."

      If you're going to use Wikipedia as a source on Three Strikes laws, you could, at least, read the Wikipedia entry on Three Strikes laws.

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    3. Re:Felony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're totally right. We should slap her firmly on both wrists and tell her not to do it again.

    4. Re:Felony by NickHydroxide · · Score: 1

      Wow, she could always just...not smoke that joint.

      People tend to forget when lambasting the three strikes rule is that an offender always has a choice. They (I am sure) are aware of the three strikes rule, and thus should also be aware that by breaching a law, they shall be held liable under that same scheme.

      That said, I do disagree with the concept of mandatory imprisonment. But it's something to keep in mind nonetheless.

    5. Re:Felony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then_the_bitch_should_have_behaved_herself_.

    6. Re:Felony by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      Never said it was all 3, but if you read the link to Felony.

      A felony, in many common law legal systems, is the term for a "very serious" crime; misdemeanors are considered to be less serious. Crimes which are commonly considered to be felonies include: aggravated assault, arson, burglary, murder, and rape.

      And then.

      On November 2, 2004, the state's voters rejected an amendment to the statute (offered in Proposition 66) which would have required the third felony to be either "violent" and/or "serious" in order to result in a 25-years-to-life sentence.

      So, she has strike 1, strike 2 could be smoking a joint, strike 3 could be getting a fake ID.

      25 to life in prison.

    7. Re:Felony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So, she has strike 1, strike 2 could be smoking a joint, strike 3 could be getting a fake ID.

      25 to life in prison.


      Well then goddamn, maybe she shouldn't do that eh?

    8. Re:Felony by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I think the penalties should be pretty harsh for stealing sensetive information from a bank, and using it to gain illegal entry to state-owned systems.

      Social security numbers are so easy to abuse, that society needs to appropriately punish those who are abuse their access to that sensetive information.

    9. Re:Felony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cliche warning here: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. This pisses me off about as much as people who rip on everyone around them, but threaten to rip your spine out if you crack on them. If you can't take it, don't give it. Period

    10. Re:Felony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THANK YOU!

    11. Re:Felony by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      Golly, I guess she shouldn't have committed a felony then. Cry me a river.

      She could have done much worse. The fact that she didn't doesn't excuse her from what she did.

      (And it's "lose", not "loose")

    12. Re:Felony by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This post is the bigest load of nonsense I've seen in a while.

      I find it bad, that changing your grade counted as 4 counts felony.

      I don't. Walking your dog without obeying the leash law counts as a felony in some places. If you're doing this with 4 dogs, that would be 4 felony counts. I've never heard of someone getting a life sentence for leash-law violations, or any other trivial thing (except drug posessions).

      The flack over the 3-strikes law is pretty ridiculous. It was widely reported that a man got a life sentence due to the 3-strikes law for stealing a slice of pizza. The minor detail that was omitted was that he brutally beat the pizza delivery guy to get that slice of pizza.

      3 Strikes and you can goto prison for life,

      Yes, SEPERATE felonies, not related ones. She's not getting a life sentence, and it's ridiculous to suggest it.

      She can loose her right to vote, her DNA kept on file as a criminal, she is now considered a dangerous criminal in the eyes of the law.

      But she IS a criminal. This is not a mistake or misunderstanding. I don't imagine any rational people having a problem with the fact that she can't vote or own a gun anymore. She can live without those things, as she has shown herself to make very poor (illegal) decisions.

      http://www.facts1.com has some good info on how the law is abused.

      No, they don't. They list the one trivial crime that finally got someone a mandatory sentence, for shock value, and barely mention that the two previous crimes were actually rather serious. I think a Simpsons quote is in order:

      Snake: [raises his hands, and flicks away cigarette] Yo, chill out dude, I'll pay the fine.
      Wiggum: Not this time, you won't; this is your third strike. First you torched that orphanage, then you blew up that bus full of nuns...


      Their allegation that one of those cases was fabricated by the police is a very serious claim, and they provide no evidence to support that. Quality journalism, really...

      But hey, you feel safe now, right?

      I would have voted for Prop 66 myself, if not for the serious crimes it excluded from 3-strikes penalties (like cases of arson, even when someone is injured, or armed burglary). The 3-strikes law may be a bit excessive in some cases, but these are career criminals who continue to comit felonies, and get away with their crimes many times more than they are actually charged with.

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  106. Other recent Uni ID thefts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "With other computing snafus recently making headlines, are universities too careless with their data?"

    Add to that

    CSU Chico Identities Compromised, Mar. 22
    Identity Theft from University Computers, Jan. 12

    It's the trifecta that finally starts to turn people's heads, isn't it?

    1. Re:Other recent Uni ID thefts by atopian · · Score: 1

      Heh. Its not like Universities will pay attention until they get hit where it hurts, their wallet. Ive been bitching at my university (Ohio State) for years about their lax policies. Profs will even be so naieve as to leave grades posted on the walls with SSNs (OSU's ONLY student identifier) becide them. Until someone finds a case against them and sues them though, there wont be any motivation to change the system.

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  107. she didn't compromise the system by trick-knee · · Score: 1
    OTOH, what does it say about the IQ of the staff at UCSB?

    not much, really. if you RTFA, you'll see that they try to make it sound as if she did something technically savvy, but all she did was know the URL of the university's eGrades site. TFA has the quote:

    "You have to use an encrypted web browser connection, so if you know that as the geeky https, you have to use an https connection, so that provides the real protection to it," Schmidt said.
    which is bogus because her browser probably connected with https by default. it also mentions that she changed the profs' password using their Social Security numbers, which she got from her work at an insurance company.

    it reads like the investigators are trying to spin it like she did something like cracking the system, but it's a simple case of identity theft and unauthorized access to the system, which is what the charges are. there's nothing that the UCSB staff could have done about this, except to follow their procedures. and it sounds like they did just that, which resulted in her arrest.

    OTOH, the UC Berkeley incident sounds like lax staff. the person who put the info on the stolen laptop and subsequently left it unattended (presumably the same person) should be beaten severely.

    1. Re:she didn't compromise the system by trick-knee · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:she didn't compromise the system by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Insightful
      there's nothing that the UCSB staff could have done about this

      Er, set up a system where you couldn't change someone's password just by knowing their SSN?

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    3. Re:she didn't compromise the system by DenDave · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Duh.. and a system where you use social security numbers and birth dates as password hints??? c'mon.. this is silly.. But what a dumb chick eh? As if the professors wouldn't notice the change in passwords let alone a grade from F to B+!!! Unless the original exam material is in the same system it serves no purpose to change grades because they always have the original paperwork and class notes. And in addition to all this stupidity she didn;t even consider concealing the IP address..
      This is not a "hack"!!!! She didn't exploit any technological weakness, only stole data giving access to a system.

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    4. Re:she didn't compromise the system by mattspammail · · Score: 5, Funny

      I didn't have any mod points here, so I just logged in to the UCSB grading system and gave you a 100.

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    5. Re:she didn't compromise the system by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      At my university, the keep all the official stuff on paper. I went in once because they had messed something up, and one of my courses wasn't being counted as a science credit when it was supposed to. They had to make a correction on actual paper. Leaving all the official records on the computer with no real paper trail to see what the marks were is kind of a bad idea. Keeping stuff on paper allows you to keep it much more secure, by keeping it physically locked up. All too often things one the internet can't be controlled this well.

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    6. Re:she didn't compromise the system by Maestro4k · · Score: 1
      Er, set up a system where you couldn't change someone's password just by knowing their SSN?
      • The University I went to (and worked at as a Sysadmin for a few years after graduation) required a personal visit with ID to get a password reset. While I'm sure a lot of people grumbled about this, it's a very good system and would have prevented this type of thing from happening in the first place.
      • Although, the students who worked in the place that did the password resets would have easily been able to reset the passwords and done this type of thing. One would hope that the campus networking folks thought of this and watched what they did closely.

        I can't get over how silly this thing seems. She did it to change a couple of her own grades from B to A or A+?

    7. Re:she didn't compromise the system by IorDMUX · · Score: 1

      >required some technical savvy To enter in a SSN and a birth date? Give me a break. Apparently, her savvy extended as far as not turning off her browser's https abilities, too.

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    8. Re:she didn't compromise the system by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I just posted about this myself. While not perfect, the system I use is to email the user (their login id is their email address in my system) a new random password if they forget theirs. This way there is nothing linked to the person themselves, and they know immediately if someone is trying to do something to their account. Yes, it's flawed because it is email, but better than allowing just anybody to change a password if they know some trivial data about the person.

    9. Re:she didn't compromise the system by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Funny

      Didn't we learn anything from Wargames when it comes to changing grades?!?!

      The password is kept under the desk on a sheet of paper, look for the one right below the crossed out password.

      And don't change anything more than 1 or 2 grade levels... sheesh.

    10. Re:she didn't compromise the system by chrisnewbie · · Score: 0

      The it department compromised the file system by being careless on who has access to the data.If it's that easy to get password and login info over the phone or even on the internet like "forgot your password" option, maybe they should change all of their IT staff.

    11. Re:she didn't compromise the system by DenDave · · Score: 1

      Oh man.. I thought I was an old man.. Wargames...
      *artificial voice*
      Would you like to change a grade?
      *student*
      Heck no! I want thermonuclear warfare!!

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  108. What is really ironic... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    ... is that she'll probably end up with a $100k/yr job with a computer security firm.. that is.. once she is out of prison.

    1. Re:What is really ironic... by 404forbidden · · Score: 1

      what is really ironic is rain on her wedding day

  109. Obligatory Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Let's just say i had a little help from a little box"

  110. I think the question on all our minds is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "is this chick hot?"

  111. You're being premature by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    We're a little ways from the penalty phase of this case, aren't we? The woman has been arrested and charged with a crime, by a real police department (i.e., not just campus security). It's just been or is about to be handed over to a DA or city/county prosecutor.

    The penalty phase won't come until and if she is found guilty by a jury, and generally they'll decide on the severity of the punishment. Of course, the penalty could come earlier, if she accepts a plea agreement.

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  112. Her email: nrgr22@umail.ucsb.edu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nancy Ramirez (the "crook") can be reached at her UCSB email address (until they turn it off). nrgr22@umail.ucsb.edu

    I'm always amazed that Universities publish this information on their websites. See https://titan.isc.ucsb.edu/cgi-bin/ldap/advsearch. cgi

  113. PHD doesn't mean you are smart. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    That seems like a gaping stupid hole that was probably instituted because of forgetful professors insisted on it.

    I found that many professors are so focused in their areas they cannot comprehend the rest of the world around them. Then other have such a huge ego and they wave there PHD like it was assigned to them from God. I think in this case they should stop all the getting there password business and put the responsibility in the professors hands. If they forgot their password they will need to go the sys-admins themselves show there ID. And explain that they did forget there password. If they don't want to do that then they will need to send their paperwork to who ever does the grading the old way and take the consequences for it.

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    1. Re:PHD doesn't mean you are smart. by brontus3927 · · Score: 1
      Is't this how it's done in the real world? I work for the state. I irregularly have to access a database (for which I have read-only access). To login I need a user ID, PIN, and specify the database. When I forgot my PIN, I had to talk to the sysadmin for my office, who then had to contact the state admin to reset my PIN. I then had to login, change the PIN, and confirm to my sysadmin that I did so. It is then logged that I successfully logged into the account and changed my PIN.

      We have multiple levels of accountability to ensure that resetting the PIN is both secure and simple.

    2. Re:PHD doesn't mean you are smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You work for a the state government and think government work is even remotely connected to the real world?

      That is exactly the reason why nobody can figure out how to keep government costs under control.

    3. Re:PHD doesn't mean you are smart. by mixmasta · · Score: 1


      I don't understand how you can use 'their' correctly half the time, and not the other half. ;)

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  114. Privacy Failures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly, due to a lack of any substantial penalty when corporations fail at privacy, corporations are most lax with personal data. And sadly, it rarely makes headlines when corporate data is leaked into the world.

    After all, corporations have a strict communication and control policies - it's rare for a corporate insider to leak the news that 10,000 accounts have been stolen.

    On the flip side, universities are regulated by strict privacy laws (called "FURPA") ... and the same with the health care industry (called HIPPA). Any known failure (or even potential for failure) needs to be reported, and then quickly reaches the press - or else larger legal penalties apply.

    Corporations do need to abide by some privacy regulations, but for the most part they are very lax, and the regulations only apply to a small amount of personal data, and the penalties for leaks are non-existant, so there is no incentive to do the right thing. Corporations also regularly sell and trade private, personal data to 3rd parties, and many 3rd parties may be untrustworthy.

  115. Boost *their* GPA? by Tavor · · Score: 1

    Why not boost GPA's across the board, being random enough to elude detection, but not random enough to ensure that yours get's boosted? That sounds like the smarter alternative.

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  116. Sure, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I know a lot of people who'd fire a woman offering a blowjob for a favour, if they were her employer/boss."

    Yeah, but most of them are women or gay.

  117. Simpleton moderators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I love how a handful of uptight mongoloids with mod points tried to knock the parent down because they didn't like the representation of male genitals. Oh, sure, it's funny and all, but if it looks kind of like a penis or has the word sucking in it, it's automatically flamebait, right?

    Dopes.

    1. Re:Simpleton moderators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought I was the only one. Just more proof AGAIN! that the mod system has been hosed. I think anonymous moderation should be dis-allowed. When we know who is abusing the moderation system, this problem will disappear instantly.

  118. UCSB Student Engineers Grade Hack... by Game+Genie · · Score: 1

    UCSB Student Engineers Grade Hack

    And they gave it an F.

  119. Did anyone else... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    ...expect something different after reading the article's title?

    "UCSB Student Engineers Grade Hack" - I expected that a bunch of UCSB "Student Engineers" had graded a hack (I give it a 7 for being clever, ...), not that a UCSB Student Engineered a grade hack.

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    1. Re:Did anyone else... by bobbozzo · · Score: 1

      same here

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  120. Not necessarily, no. by doggo · · Score: 1

    "...are universities too careless with their data?"

    Well, that all depends on what you mean by "universities".

    Generally, administrative systems are administered by computer professionals who follow all the basic best-practices, just like everyone else. And, university departmental systems are administered by pros as well.

    The main problem you have is the students on the network and the rogue professors (who you can't get to comply even with submitting their damn grades, much less computer security guidelines).

    Another point is that academic networks are generally more open than corporate networks. The academic network is not homogenous, and needs to be able to allow whatever strange and curious systems might need to connect to others. In the name of research, don'tcha know?

    One thing to remember is that these "...other computing snafus recently making headlines" are high profile because they're in the news. What about all the security incidents that aren't in the news? For example, the corporate incidents which don't get reported.

    Anybody who has experience with trying to secure computers knows that you can't be 100% sure that you're un-crackable. You follow security best-practices, patch like crazy, do your best, and hope that your users don't use their login names as passwords.

    I think singling out universities, in particular, is unfair. Especially if you're not familiar with the academic culture.

    1. Re:Not necessarily, no. by PigleT · · Score: 1

      Not all universities are like that, at least not over here (UK).

      I think the main problem is the lack of focus on the *level* at which security becomes a problem. When it's a buffer overflow, the risk is the OS gets compromised, so you patch the software. When it's a cross-site scripting attack, the risk is your privacy, and you're looking at all sorts of application-level security measures, from input-validation to WS-Security and above. Merely updating packages won't get you that, if the packages are horribly insecure in the first place.

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  121. Mr. Schmidt rulz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Knowing what information you need in order to do the password reset and gathering that information and then going and submitting the grade changes -- you don't just trip and accidentally fall into that," Schmidt said. "That requires some specific planning and effort to do that."

    I'd like to ask Mr. Schmidt kow did he obtain his job. Perhaps some "planning and effort"? THIS GUY IS RIDICULOUS, aspires to be the next nerd party cult hero.

    1. Re:Mr. Schmidt rulz by wk633 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep in mind, Schmidt was talking to the media. Ever try to explain something technical, knowing the other person probably doesn't have a clue what you're talking about, but will re-word it anyways to tell thousands of more people?

      That's why that dumb 'geeky https' comment came out.

  122. And That's Good? by LighthouseJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone else but me immediately think of the phrase "guilty until proven innocent"?

    It's nice your school is trying to perform steps to prevent cheaters but that's just way too much. A university should be a place where you can live the life you want and the free exchange of ideas with many different types of people from all around the world, not worried if you've sufficiently proven you aren't a cheater to the satisfaction of one of the 70 select individuals.

    1. Re:And That's Good? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heh. I was thinking of the hypocrasy of it all. Does making you promise again and again to obey the honor code make you more likely to obey it, or more likely to view your word as something only given a semester at a time?

      Does having a person attest to having witnessed you swear to obey the honor code every semester have any more effect than signing a piece of paper at the beginning of enrollment?

      Does the massive amount of security focused on making sure that you swore the oath to obey the honor code help anything? Seems foolish. Just say, "We have an honor code. this is what it is. Before you enroll for the first time, swear to uphold it. If we ever find out you've broken it, it's your ass. Until then, however, we're going to treat you like you are honorable, and like your word means something, because that's what an honor code is about."

      Just my opinion.

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  123. No, boost your own GPA! by mu-sly · · Score: 1

    Sheesh... why not just study and actually earn the fscking grades!

    1. Re:No, boost your own GPA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people are lazy.

  124. Parse Error by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 1
    I can't be the only one who parsed this headline as
    (UCSB Student Engineers) (Grade) (Hack)
    instead of
    (UCSB Student) (Engineers) (Grade Hack)
    I was looking forward to an article on how how students studying IT security evaluated a breakin.
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  125. Low risk alternatives much easier to implement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The people who care the most about college grades are the parents who subsidize the tuition. Keep them happy and the rest will take care of itself. Wouldn't it be easier to get by with an inferior but passing GPA and print a nice-looking document that looks like a transcript for Mom & Dad? If there is no signature, then there is no forgery. If the grades remain unchanged, it's not a hacking attack. Is there any law that covers a counterfeit transcript that was NOT used for employment purposes?

    If the students are not willing to show up and get at least minimally passing grades, they should skip school altogether and head straight for the diploma mills. Of course, the budget-minded cheater can create bogus transcripts from colleges that used to exist but are now closed/merged/renamed.

    I worked in higher education administration. I interviewed job applicants who had fake degrees. Our HR people went hog-wild researching the validity of transcripts. I doubt the average employer would allocate the resources to this activity to make it truly effective. Then there were the overseas degrees. Transcripts in Polish, Chinese, etc. Verifying the information was NOT easy. Most employers would be easily duped.

    The weak point in the system is not the computer -- it is the hardcopy output.

  126. And I've gotten away with it!!! by mixmasta · · Score: 1


    if it wasn't for those darn meddling kids!!!

    (Mwaaahhhh-ha-ha-ha!)

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  127. LOL by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm dying over here, I believe this is the most graphic thing I've ever seen on Slashdot. lol

    1. Re:LOL by wed128 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      oh come on now...i guess you never saw the ascii art goatse. The image haunts me to this day...

    2. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must be new here

  128. Not completely by fizbin · · Score: 1

    I've watched this behavior, and it's much more prevalent (at least among all- or almost-all-male groups) when the group is a bunch of men who are constantly jockeying for position.

    It didn't happen by and large in the campus sci-fi club, even at the events that were heavily male-dominated. It did happen in the computer labs late at night. Yes, there was a large amount of overlap between the two groups, but something about the different environment triggered this change in behavior. I'm saying that my personal observation has been that you get crude sexism much more when there's more showing-off and one-upmanship in general.

  129. the Bully who cried wolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the mid-80's there was a football-star/son-of-mayor Bully who was a pain in the arse... from kindergarden. He always got his way, and teachers were kinda forced to give him a passing grade. He was a supreme jerk, bashed us tokers into lockers, etc. He lied all the time -- but about stuff you could not easily prove. If he did get caught, his daddy would bail him out.

    Anyway, a friend of mine "guessed" the admin password for their brand new district-wide IBM 360 based system; it was... "1 2 3 4 5". Rather than fix his grades or any of his friends, he did the unthinkable. He gave Bully straight A's for the current semester (it was December), and then we agreed _never_ to log into the system again. Luckly, report cards were just about ready to be printed... and they did print.

    So, a few days later everyone got their report card. Including the Bully, who got A's. Then Bully and his parents made the fatal mistake -- they didn't report the error promptly.

    Of course, several months later, the English teacher got pretty irate when she found out Bully got an A in her class for the previous semester. This caused an inquisition; and Bully was under the microscope by the whole staff.

    Bully said he "didn't know" how he got the grade. The system administrator accused Bully of having one of his "dad's friends" break into the system and change his grade. Not a peep from us nerds. The latent frustration from the administrative staff set in... they were all too happy to have a "serious academic misconduct". No one believed him. No one believed his parents. He was suspended from school, and had to repeat his Junior year.

    It was the best revenge. He _knew_ he got it up the arse, and everyone in the school knew "he cheated". We didn't have to taunt him... everyone else (including his football buddies) did it for him.

    Hah!

  130. And you think the grandparent poster cares.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because....? They obviously know it's a problem, so your flippant (whiney tone) "You're part of the problem, not the solution" isn't likely to make them change their mind.

  131. Not a hack at all, a blantant criminal act by Anthony+Liguori · · Score: 2, Informative

    You have a girl who worked at a company on the side where she had access to sensitive information about professors (and many other individuals). She steals that sensitive information and uses it to reset the password of the professors.

    She then logs in to the grading system and changes her grades.

    And the computer system worked like a charm. Any grade change resulted in a departmental notification. The professor, realizing that he did not make the change and could not log into the account any more, notified the appropriate authorities.

    An investigation occurred and this criminal was discovered. Sounds like an open and shut case to me.

  132. Careless with data? WTF? by CDarklock · · Score: 1

    First off, the university in question *here* was compromised by a student that had external and unrelated access to her professors' personal information.

    Second, the UCB article linked as additional evidence of carelessness discusses a laptop theft which took place in a restricted area of campus where the theft was actually witnessed.

    This is careless? Why in the world would you blame the universities for these situations? It's not like either of these incidents involved someone breaking into the network from off-campus and downloading records or changing grades.

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  133. The flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UCSB states that the system worked. They are correct in that the system caught the change, and it was corrected, and the perpitrator caught. However, there was still a breach of privacy. The flaw in the system was the insufficient requirements to change a password (SSN and DOB? gimme a break!).

    The password change has been disabled. You now request a password change, and someone phones you back, verifies you more extensively, and gives you a new one.

    Keep in mind though, UCSB is hardly the only organization with such lax password reset requirements.

  134. The beauty of triggers by wandazulu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Without getting into a big discussion of database design, referential integrety, etc., this is the sort of thing I've always used triggers for: updating a row writes another record to another table indicating that it was inserted/updated/deleted.

    I wrote a couple of trading-ish systems that used this when a person placed a trade. Came in very handy when a user called to say that he had lost some major $$$ because we screwed up his order, only to show him in the log that he had in fact placed his order at this time, and then tried to cancel it not a minute later, but a full two hours later, long after the close.

    Yes it can be done in a procedure, write to another table, etc., but what I've always liked about triggers is that they're automatic, somewhat hidden, and easy to forget...

  135. stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She didn't even do it behind a proxy? Dang...

  136. VAX Logins by phorm · · Score: 1

    Ours was a bit more cruel. We added the following line to their login script:

    logout

    The profs caught on after awhile and fixed the bad login scripts though.

  137. Oblig. by gardyloo · · Score: 1

    ***It doesn't say anything negative about women at all.

    *That's a fact, the worst I ever had was wonderful.


    This is Slashdot! What are you talking about?

  138. *Bravo* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, thank you. I just got tea all over my keyboard and computer desk. My day will be a little brighter now.

  139. Yep, they are... by jcelgin · · Score: 1

    Over Christmas break last year I got an email explaining that for an hour, personal information of some 30 computer science students was downloadable via the school's CS webpage. This personal information included everything... name, address, even so far as SSN. During this time, the information was viewed 14 times. The email goes on to say that I was one of the students whose information was shared. Thanks. The thing that troubles me the most, aside from the unnecessary use of everyone's SSN, is the fact that it was the *CS* department that posted this information. If the computer guys can't get it right...?

  140. In other news... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    A bank robber who forgot to put on his mask, was captured today. News at 11.

  141. Might help to explain a couple more details by jhmaughan · · Score: 1

    The massive amount of security is actually tied to a much much larger system. BYU-Provo (the original poster was referring to BYU-Idaho) is three times larger, with over 30,000 students. However, the campus actually runs the data center for the Church of Jesus Christ. The personal records of 11,000,000 living people (and nearly a billion dead ones) are warehoused there so technical security, identity theft prevention, and privacy are extremely high priorities. Security policies both technical and procedural are employed at the university level, church level, and every level related to them. Some have compared BYU to being more technically advanced than MIT as far as full implementation of technology throughout the campus.

    Regarding the honor code. The Church Educational System which runs the BYUs and several hundred other smaller educational programs is guided by fundamentally religious principles. All students are asked to commit to living the standards of the Church in their educational pursuits. This is recorded in the record system. I'd have to disagree that asking someone to recommit is an example of hypocrisy, more like an example of support, encouragement, and patience.

    And yes, if you break the honor code it is your ass, and probably your soul ;). BYU will destroy its football program before they will allow the honor code to be slighted. The administration has booted entire sections of the starting lineup for honor code violations. You give your word to uphold the standards, and if you don't, you're gone. Simple as that. No hypocrisy, just enforcement. Most universities probably have honor codes, but at BYU, its actually enforced.

  142. Security by Efialtis · · Score: 1

    I am a professional Security Consultant. This is what I do.
    Most universities, schools, workplaces, SOHOs, and many homes are all "under secure" and could use help.
    The problem is $$...my services and services of people like me do not come cheap.
    So fix it, and just be secure - Firewall, backups, etc.

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  143. This is news? Heck, if that's news ... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    then how come my son hacking Wikipedia yesterday isn't emblazoned across the front pages?

    Geesh, hackers at UCSB, the Zombie Capitol of the World, who would have thunk it?

    [caveat, my sister works there]

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  144. The next thing she did.... by jmcwork · · Score: 1

    Started playing a nice game of Global Thermonuclear War.

  145. Sounds like a flawed forgotten password system by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    Even with the information ramirez obtained, in a good system she would have also had to hijack the prof's mail. Much better to have the system email (yes, that is insecure too) you a new random password and disallow any further password changes until the person has successfully logged in. This way the victim knows immediately if something is going on while causing them little inconvenience.

    1. Re:Sounds like a flawed forgotten password system by MisterFuRR · · Score: 1

      except for the fact that your nice new random password is in your email and YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE PASSWORD IS. So how can you check your email, to get your nice new password. Chicken and Egg

  146. track covering 101 by louden+obscure · · Score: 1

    my thirteen year old grandson got busted at home cuz he left his pron addresses in the location bar deally and my daughter found them rather easily. great, now i have to set up a squid proxy etc here at my house cuz he has a log in account on my deb sid desktop. oh well, the box i use for masquerading needed to be updated soon anyway...

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  147. is she single? by micromuncher · · Score: 1

    I mean, can we have conjugal visits? Maybe she has a /. account.

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  148. Re: computer named your-gobbledegook by sparty · · Score: 1

    FWIW, "your-2r8c40dfb2" or "your-34slks32sc" or similar (I don't know the exact number of letters off the top of my head) match the default Compaq naming pattern, at least for Presario laptops--my gf's shows up as something like that on my AP, and I've seen one or two others that did likewise. I the random-looking part is either (a) pseudorandom or (b) the machine's service tag, so that when you go plug two brand new laptops into your network you don't get a naming conflict.

    With that said, I suspect that if the same name showed up elsewhere as a spam source and then did a lot of upstream but little downstream traffic at your site, it's probably a spammer hopping from connection to connection with the computer auto-registering itself with the same hostname each time.

  149. Get outta here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many universities have you been in lately? I have been in/ visited four in the past year, and they all have been locked down to the point of diminishing usefulness. In a corporate environment, IT staffs get in hot water for adversely affecting productivity, or for adversely affecting the boss's pr0n access. So a balance has to be kept. In the academic environment, IT only gets in hot water if a hack becomes publicized that affects school prestige. So all the pressure is in favor of locked-down, filtered, port-80-only access.

    So in my experience, acadmic IT departments have become more authoritarian and less accountable in their use of power than other environments.

    By the way- on the many campuses that use SSN for ID, you don't even need to hack a computer. Any class roster has everybody's SSNs right there.

    1. Re:Get outta here by DarKry · · Score: 1

      The campus that I attended up until a few months ago was definately vulnerable to this. A guy I know got caught doing this exact attack, the only reason that he was caught was because he didn't understand ARP poisoning and managed to shut down all traffic on his switch. I am friends with the IT staff at another smaller campus that I went to years ago and am currently working with them to get around this issue, I was able to test the feasability there and found a machine in the library with no BIOS lock. So yeah, in my experience its just not something that campus IT staff think of when designing a network. Most people these days are worried about patching the servers every 5 minutes againt the latest greatest (next to impossible to exploit) integer underflow. Instead they should be looking at the flaws that have existed for years and are easily exploitable. A VPN for profs would go a long way but still I am not sure how well it would go over with administration. Most people want things to be easy and couldn't give a damn about security (untill the school gets hacked and its their ass).

      Pertaining to you observation though, I really doubt that the firewalls you are talking about had anything to do with the internal network that I am talking about. blocking outside traffic is all well and good but any internal machine can still see everything that is going on internally.

  150. First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason most First Posts are funny, is because it's several orders of magnitude easier to just come up with a funny quip relating to the topic, rather than reading the article, thinking, and typing up something that might be informative or interesting.

  151. UCSB Student committee give student F for hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UCSB Student Engineers Grade Hack"

    SANTA BARBARA - At yesterday's hearing, the UCSB Engineering Student Ethics committee recommended expelling Nancy Ramirez, 21, for altering grades stored in the campus computer systems. The committee took the unusual step of publicly explaining the expulsion:
    "Mrs. Ramirez's conduct was not only unethical, but the way she went about it was amateurish and did not show the proper use of intellect we expect from UCSB students. She left herself wide open to getting caught. If this had been a classroom assignment, she would have failed. Had she done this with the professionalism that the UCSB Engineering School instills in most of its students, nobody would have ever known."

  152. No hack here by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 1

    A real hack is one who has a degree from MIT in computer science, and has never been to Massachusetts. And didn't attend MIT. And didn't enroll at MIT. And doesn't own a computer. And doesn't speak english. And lives in Zimbabwe. In a hut. With his mother. That would be a hack. This, this is unauthorized network use from a local terminal. Not a hack.

  153. Re: computer named your-gobbledegook by compwiz3688 · · Score: 1

    FWIW, "your-2r8c40dfb2" or "your-34slks32sc" or similar (I don't know the exact number of letters off the top of my head) match the default Compaq naming pattern, at least for Presario laptops--my gf's shows up as something like that on my AP, and I've seen one or two others that did likewise.

    Close, but no cigar. It's XP's way of uniquely naming a computer. It uses the first word of the organization plus a "random" jumble of characters to make up the computer name. If the user accepts the default name in the end-user setup (aka mini-setup in the OEM world), or was never given the chance to change, this would result.

  154. COLLEGE COEDS by DemonREA · · Score: 1

    I agree with the term "to get ahead u have to give some head," but if she can steal the idenity of 2 male professors maybe she wasnt worth the extra grade. IDK

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  155. A note from the idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think that "Anonymous Coward" should be the appropriate term to describe who I am. I am the idiot, the girl that got caught. I got a note on www.thefacebook.com from a guy that asked me if that was me in "Slashdot." I had never heard of this website nor am I familiar with it.

    First of all I'm not an engineer major. I'm a PolSci and Latin American Studies major. It doesn't take a genious to figure out how to get in. I didn't break my head for nights trying to figure out how to do it. I came across it (the website) and saw how easy it was. There's a lot the article is missing and that is because I didn't want to talk to the newspaper. I have enough going through all this legal drama. It not the University that is at fault...I'm the one that got in their system. However they should realize that their security measures are not so secure. I didn't fail any classes. I changed other grades and figured "heck why not change my B to an A." Someone with more knowledge can do a lot more damage. Popularity...trust me I don't want it. What's done is done and I have to face the consequences.

    Best to all,

    ---The idiot

  156. Texas A&M is careless, for example ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When students start at Texas A&M, their student ID is their social security #. This number is used to login to various services for setup purposes, along with a PIN ... which is the student's birthdate.

    I once ran the I.T. team for my Corps outfit, and chuckled at the thought of the 60+ sets of SSN's and birthdates on my machine. Like a postal employee with a conceal-carry permit, I was amused at the possibilities before me ...