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Mozilla Firefox 1.5 Beta 1 Released
elfguygmail.com writes "Firefox 1.5 beta1 is out! It includes many new features including a new automatic update system, reworked options dialogs, faster browsing, new error pages, memory and stability updates. Get your beta at Mozilla.org."
Yeah! New error pages! Finally no more of that 404 bullshit.
Yeeeeeeah ! Faster back and forward means better performance reading messageboards . Deerpark alpha wont start on my machine. I am one those that submitted a couple of bugs on this. Good job boys!
Posting on it now. Generally teh snappier on OS X, which I appreciate. Text handling still isn't good enough to switch from Camino. The drag n drop tabs are a very welcome addition. Also, it looks like the Slashdot bug has been cleared up. Sweet.
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If they've really made it more stable and fixed the apparent memory leak, I'll be really happy. Firefox is great as it is, but it seems that if you leave it open for too long it starts to take up insane amounts of memory.
For those here that run Windows in the Classic theme, here a link to info on how to fix the menu looks http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_windows_classic
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... all my extensions work on it. I had no problems with Deer Park Alpha, except that nothing except Adblock worked.
I don't want to read
Warning, seems like most extensions won't work from 1.0x to 1.5beta1..
My employer forces us to use firefox at my job... The database front-end they had designed uses flash. Firefox segfaults quite often and the copy/paste buffer is always farked up. I really hope these issues have been taken care of :(
If it were my choice at work, I'd use Opera.
That's good to know, can uninstall that firefox speeder upper thing. So far there turning out updates quicker than MS, and has better support. Nothing like the lack of pop ups and spam that just doesn't know how to work a PC without IE :)
Go firefox! On my site 65% of my users use firefox. It is a hardware site, so you'd expect it, but Firefox is gaining momentum and space. Anyone else have percentages from there site? Slashdot?
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I've been running Deer Park Alpha 2 recently with no problems(SVG is kinda funky, but works great, and with the field testing it should be much better).
I hope SVG integrates with XUL ok. Gotta test out my XUL apps I have in the field for compatability too.
There's some changes Extension Authors need to check out too. Mozilla Developer News has the info and the big thing is XPCNative Wrappers will be on by default. (Yet more info on XPCNative Wrappers is available too).
Yeah, whatever. You say that now, but I bet you were one of those jerks hating on Network Solutions for making "new error pages" last year, weren't, you?
There are two things I am not fond of with the current non-Beta Firefox. The first is the way it needs to download the whole installer just to update a point release. The second is how extensions with similar functionality are not coordinated.
Take the GoogleBar for example. When I first installed Firefox it didn't come with a usable search tool, so I had to find GoogleBar which approximated the functionality of Google's IE GoogleBar. Now, Google comes along and releases their GoogleBar for Firefox and I'm left having to uninstall the old toolbar and install the new one. I'd rather the two projects just work closely together so that it could be updated seamlessly in one fell swoop.
Things like these occasionally mar my Firefox experience which is otherwise very smooth.
Speaking of smooth, does anyone else get a brief (1 second) pause when loading large pages in Slashdot? It seems to load part of the page, then it freezes for a second, then renders the rest of the page. It also happens on Photo.net, but there the whole discussion page reloads itself after loading once. Just a strange thing I noticed about Firefox.
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ok to be fair i haven't used flash all that much, but is that at all practical?
So the Adobe SVG plugin, which works fine in IE/Win and FF/Mac, will no longer be needed, which is great, since it crashes FF/Win! w00t!
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
So far the only extension that works is the gmail notifier. Not even the all-in-one mouse gestures works... I'm patient, but will all of the developers make and re-make their extensions for every version?
I smell a need for backward compatibility
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Not trolling, but is the copy and paste issue finally fixed? You know, the one where cant copy and paste URLs from the location bar, or occasionally anything at all from within FF. From something else to FF works fine, but the other way around sometimes just doesnt work at all... That's really the only thing i dislike about FF...
When installing Firefox 1.5
(1) Backup your old Firefox 1.0 profile
(2) Start with a clean profile, its best to use a clean profile
(3) Update your extensions
(4) If the extensions still complain, try this following the directions from this link
http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/
I was hoping that they'd replace the big goofy icon buttons on OS X and Linux that just don't go with anything. Maybe next version. The upside is the preferences layout is simpler, and browsing is a little snappier.
I'm also hoping that my memory leakage problems on linux are solved. We'll see! Now back to searching for the safarifox theme to see if it'll work...
Just downloaded it, seems cleaner, the new error pages seem a bit better than the old popup systems; informative and not nearly as cluttered as IE's. Haven't tested page rendering that much, so that remains to be seen, but seems good so far.
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Very cool that they have a new release out, I'll be downloading it soon.
But I'm a little dissapointed it looks like the built-in SVG support isn't in there. Guess it's still alpha? (Haven't been following the Deer Park releases)
I'm really looking forward to the day where I can actually do a site in SVG and be able to expect more than 2 or 3 people to be able to see it...
And wow am I ever tired of struggling with the Flash IDE.
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It seems to work for me, but it could be that I haven't used it extensively yet. Can you elaborate on the problem?
Well, so far it seems pretty cool, the popup for pasword manager is nicer. The things I noticed: Extensions are fucked Flash is fucked.(I don't use flash that much anyway, I have flashblocker on 1.06) RSS button moved from bottom right corner to next to URL. Overall I'm happy.:) Cna't wait for fullr elease with extensions compatability!
What are you using, Windows ME? Good god man, anything is better than ME/98se/98/95.
I agree with the grandparent. Believe it or not, not everyone has the luxury of being able to upgrade their hardware all the time. I'm posting this from my old 333 MHz box. It does everything I need it to, except let me open a url in a new tab, and I don't particularly want to spend a few thousand dollars upgrading my computer just so that I can run a version of Windows which this bug doesn't affect. This bug really does need to be addressed.
Does it have a multithreaded interface yet? This is by far my biggest gripe with Firefox. Well, that and the ridiculous memory requirements.
I installed Firefox 1.5 Beta 1 a couple of hours ago and now I've switched back because the beta has problems with Java and streaming of Windows Media Player films. Luckily I had a backup of my profile because simply uninstalling the beta and installing the 1.0.6 version caused big problems. The beta is superb but it has problems with external programs. It also has a new genious extension structure but that breaks old extensions (like every new Firefox edition *sigh*) and I've read that themes also gives problems. My system config is Windows XP and Sun Java, both fully updated.
Firefox was a bad movie in the 80's.
They are aparently coming out with a remake or something.
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I have switched many people to Firefox and have found that people I switched months and months ago will never update. They never look at the little red arrow on the top right. They stick with the same version they have unpatched. Other applications use auto update because users dont update programs, its a problem but if Firefox is to be known as the most secure, fastest, bug free browser on the internet then they have to make sure everyone updates.
It seems quite nice to me. :)
Tell me what you believe...I'll tell you what you should see.
I really do notice the browsing speed upgrade.. as well as some major issues changed and resolved with div's and css's. I am very impressed so far with this beta.
Just me
Just develop to standard, then it should run on any browser.
Works just fine if you go directly to the swf, but attempting to load it in a webpage does nothing.
For example:
This swf loads.
Its containing web page shows nothing. Works in 1.0.6
I mean, that's why this is a beta, clearly something is wrong. Shame though, I was hoping to use this on a daily basis to QA. No flash means I can't, I do too much work in flash to not have it load.
If you're running a 333 MHz box, and are intending to stick with Windows, you should be running W2K Professional. The extra stability is worth the upgrade... W2K was the best OS MS ever made.
And what are you talking about 1000s of dollars for, you can get a computer that will stomp that one into the dirt for a couple of hundred bucks easily.
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Now here's something other web browsers should also include in themselves. Let's hope that M$ also "copies" this feature into de "new" IE 7.
Right now Steve Balmer is running around naked, drooling at the mouth and ripping up pictures of Bambi, convinced that they named the beta Deer Park because of him somehow.
Not really. Ever heard of the W3C?
For the hell of it I clicked on view source on the provided link...
This was a comment in the code:
Note to Editors of this Document!
I have meticulously repaired the indentation here. DO NOT OPEN THIS
DOCUMENT IN A WYSIWYG EDITOR OR (in the words of Robert DeNiro) I
WILL BRING YOU DOWN! I WILL BRING YOU DOWN TO CHINATOWN!
-Ben
nice.
-Vinod
Since I installed the "GrApple (Brazil)" theme in Firefox on OSX, I haven't been bothered by the look and feel. Oh, occasionally it bothers me, but not everyday like it used to. (I still use Safari for ad-free sites.)
Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.
OT:
A fire fox is what happens to a fox when it gets caught in a fire. BTW, every fire fighter will tell you that these are indeed a problem as they tend to run into the unburnt bush before they die. This causes the fires to spread faster. Same with rabbits.
And for those who think it would not make a difference, I have seen a burning rabbit run over 100 metres through the bush, lighting the undergrowth as it went. We had a fun time trying to extinguish the fire before it had a change to take off.
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
YEAH! Why did they ever make these other browsers anyway? I mean, if they would have just had one browser, and never updated it, then making pages for it would be super-easy...cause you dont have to worry about cross-browser compatibility. We should have just stuck with IE 5!
All the other browsers do is offer us better standards compatibility, and easier personal configuration. Who would ever want that?
including a new automatic update system
I am sick and tired of every application including its own update system. They all have different user interfaces, they don't handle dependencies correctly (e.g., Firefox may upgrade its own extensions, but not the download manager that they depend on), and they make random connections all over the Internet.
When will Windows and Macintosh get decent package and dependency management so that developers don't have to put this functionality into applications anymore, and that we don't have to put up with the security risks of many different update systems anymore?
i think with the recent full page flash ads that float over all content that this would be welcomed.
shit, i think im going to download 1.5 b1 now!
"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams"
"you can get a computer that will stomp that one into the dirt for a couple of hundred bucks easily."
No way. Robot legs are very expensive, and fitting a pair onto a case would be run into the tens if thousands of dollars.
I think the parent poster might be right. From what I've seen, Fx seems to memory-bloat because of some sort of caching, or by not reusing old previously used memory areas. (?)
If I start a fresh Fx run, and do heavy surfing (esp. many images, and moreso with viewing movies within Fx.) the memory that it uses swells up pretty quickly. OTOH, opening a fresh Fx to a blank page, or something minimalish like google, it can sit around for days and the memory used doesn't change.
It's ok to test it, but it's still to soon to use it seriously. I'll wait for a non beta version, since being a beta also means it may contain not only development bugs but also even regression bugs. I wonder if it hasn't any security issues in this version.
IE 7 is out? How do I go about installing this in gentoo?
Beautiful: Firefox' source finally builds with GCC4 out of the box; no mucking around necessary!
have you tried opera, i use firefox since my slowest computer runst at 1.3 ghz, but when i am setting up fresh installs on older hardware i usually point people towards opera. for quick safe browsing with tabs.
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They've jumped up half a version and still no display:inline-block? Shouldn't they finish CSS 2.1 before they start on CSS 3? Every other major browser out there supports it, so it can't be that hard. Even IE, with it's dismal standards support, has inline-block.
I'm noticing some considerable speed enhancements. Loading a page full of /. comments renders instantly and that cool effect on google.com/ig where you drag the boxes around and they turn transparent is very fast now. I'm really glad that performance has been taken into consideration in the recent work.
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Yeah, it does. The adblocker's called PithHelmet. There's dozens of other extensions available, most of very high quality.
The main point of the beta is so that extension developers can make their extenions work. Nothing is supposed to be great about it.
It feels snappier.
Joking aside, the tab reordering via drag and drop is a feature I have long wished. Obviously, all of my extensions stopped working (give me my WebDeveloper back!!), but other than that this version indeed seems to be faster. Great work by the FF team!
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So.. what are Win32 users who don't want to "install" it supposed to do these days? There used to be ZIP versions that could be opened and run.
For testing and.. eh, stealth "installations" (ie. work computers) zips are better than exe/xpi.
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Works perfectly fine for me. I'm using Shockwave Flash 8.0 r15.
b lic_beta/
You can get it here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/pu
For older hardware, I strongly recommend installing Mozilla instead of Firefox. You install only the parts you want, and even with a "complete" install, the memory usage is much lower. This despite that Firefox was supposed to be a leaner alternative to the Mozilla suite -- it's ended up s much more bloated and resource craving. If you have less than 512 MB RAM and use the PC for more than one thing at a time, I honestly can not recommend Firefox at all.
Opera seems nice, but it's not customizable enough for me. I also can't compile my own, but have to use pre-compiled binaries that links against old libraries I don't even have installed anymore.
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Java finally works properly under OS X! (10.4.2)
I just turned prefetch off, then rebooted this computer. The sites I mentioned still freeze for a second when loading large pages. The behavior is unchanged.
Firefox 1.0.6 on Windows
Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
Or you could tweak an about:config setting and switch the behavior to a normal Google search.s cellaneous
http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries#Mi
Find keyword.URL and change it to
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=
You won't have access to mutiple search engines via the address bar, but some improvement is better then none.
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Well, as one who manages the family computer, which runs WinXP, AutoUpdate is actually pretty useful. I haven't had to install an update manually for quite some time.
Seriously though, I can't wait until we get an OSX port that doesn't suck (Camino is okay, but what good is it if you can't use all the cool firefox extensions?).
Well, as a Mac OS X user, I feel your pain. But, I'm wondering which parts suck for you? I have issues with page rendering. Look at these rendering jobs from the LiveJournal home page (be kind! this is hosted on my personal server box):
- FireFox 1.0 (Sorry, but the "About" Dialogue blocks the effected text, so you'll have to trust me)
- FireFox 1.5 Deer Park Beta 1 the distributed Mac OS X binary, not compiled from soruce
- Camino 0.92 just for comparson
- Opera 8.02 for Mac OS X
- Safari 2 (And if you don't trust me, think about how many web browsers have a brushed metal GUI like that)
This occurs on several pages, but the only one I could produce on-demand was the LiveJournal page. Note that this is the LiveJournal home page, not user pages, and contains relatively simple and stable code. Note that Safari and Opera read the pages perfectly fine, but all the Mozilla-based browsers (all versions), even Camino, can't render the page properly. And these problems are not always so minor. On occasion, text can continue right outside of the view (and scroll) of the window. Text boxes will end up with text no longer inline with the cursor, making editing and correcting typos virtually impossible.Any one else have this problem? I know it's not too isolated since I've had this happen on both installations of OS X 10.4 and even 10.3. Or are there other problems that I don't know about?
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works fine in 1.5beta... I ran into this problem a week ago (on 1.06 obviously) and heard the following possible solution. My page had a in it. Removing this made the page work as it should.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1562/error4js.p ng
Faster back and forward means better performance...
Nice. Too bad its taken over 11 years for someone to optimize this in a relevant browser.
I'm not a browser developer so I've always wondered why browsers do not simply re-render what has already been cached when 'back' is used. I hit 'back' and I observe network activity even when the page is entirely 100% cacheable content. The browser is probably playing with If-Modified-Since... I'd rather it just render what's cached especially when, between the time the page was first rendered and the time I hit 'back' the network flakes out and, rather than simply rendering what is already faithfully stored on my local disk, the browser hangs!
It's not just inconvenient. It's wrong in principle; 'back' should be 'back to precisely what I received previously', not 'attempt to re-get whatever now appears at the previous URL.' If I want the page refreshed, I will use the provided 'refresh' button, mkay? Thanks.
There's probably some profoundly crucial and subtle reason for all this and I've foolishly revealed my ignorance. Apply the necessary flames, but only if you have credible answers.
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Anyone know if any of the code changes will make it back to the Mozilla Suite tree? Or is that officially dead as of 1.7? I would like to know because I love the integration of email and browser. I've been using the Suite style since Communicator first came out and I really like it at home. At work I use Firefox and Outlook.
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Does it ameliorate the pain in dealing with .pdf files?
you mean n! combinations. But still that is completely ridiculous if it's really how they do the sort.
Unfortunately, no.
I just downloaded 1.0.6 a few hours ago to give it a go and 1.5 comes out. Gotta love the timing. I like Opera better anyway.
It's hard to strive for greatness when surrounded by the mediocre.
I understand that IE isn't standards compliant, but it is dominant. As such, many people will be viewing the FireFox web site in IE. But IE doesn't render many of the FireFox site's pages correctly! Rounded corners don't work on every page and some pages (such as the "Mozilla FireFox 1.5 Beta 1 Release Notes" page) have much larger issues. However, IE renders the content at full width and FireFox leaves a substantial margin on either side (I have a wide screen display, I want to make use of it!).
Blame Microsoft all you want, but this is inexcusable. If you want people to switch to FireFox, they need to believe FireFox is better. Seeing as most web sites are built for IE, users coming to FireFox's web site see a page that doesn't render correctly and they assume the makers of the page are to blame. Why would they blame IE? Every other page they go to renders just fine in IE.
Since the same organization that made the page makes the software, it is conceivable that people would be turned away from FireFox on the assumption that people who produce broken web pages also produce broken programs.
Whether the FireFox web site doesn't properly support IE out of laziness, or out of malice. It should be fixed.
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That's always been one of my concerns with Firefox. I decided to roll it out to our labs, since I personally like it better and as of now it has a better security record than IE, but I worry. What happens if our Ghost server fucks up (which is known to happen) and I can't do system updates? No problem normally, if Matlab gets a revision or two old, who cares? Windows patches itself so most security problems are taken care of... Except Firefox.
Browsers are probably the biggest security concern. All the computers have firewalls on them, there's a departmental firewall, and a campus firewall. I'm not too worried about open ports. But browsers get exposed to all manner of sites and thus all manner of exploits. They need to be secure.
So what happens if a major security bug hapen in Firefox and I can't push an update? Well shit, that means going to hundreds of computers and manually installing it. Talk about a waste of time.
So auto updating is a major feature for alrge environments like where I work. If FF will take care of itself, that'll really take care of my last concern with it. There's other things I'd like fixed (like the memory leak) but I can deal with those, so long as I'm not worried about it staying venurable if I'm unable to manually push updates.
Being an ordinary user of Firfox, here are the reasons I moved back to Safari from Firefox 1.0.6 1) Extremely unstable. Even sometime I got error while exiting Firefox. 2) Drop-down menu options on buttons in Yahoo! Mail do not work. (Whatever it means in technical term.) 3) Non-English unicode language fonts do not show up correctly, and nowhere close to Safari quality. I use Devanagari (Hindi). Surely #2 problem is solved in Firefox 1.5. Too early to comment on #1. There seems to be some improvement in #3 but still far from Safari quality.
I like how it looks best in Linux, but I kinda miss the Windows version sometimes...with its speed and all. And I know its not Linux/Gnome- Epiphany flies. So does a WINEd IE. Only Firefox is slow. Will that be better?
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Tried out the RC1 last night. Didn't work. Uninstalled. Tried the Beta 1 this morning. Didn't work. Uninstalled. Deleted the Mozilla Firefox folder in Program Files in XP. Installed. W00T! My educated guess is it wouldn't start because of my extensions (Flashgot + Adblock). So you know what to do if you have those start-up woes.
Ugliness has no place on the Mac desktop, even on the web. Neither does actual functionality. Style over substance, baby! (Honestly, there's no OS without flaws)
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
No, this still doesn't fix bug #154892: "Splitting Absolutely positioned frames not implemented - Missing second page of content when printing or print previewing this site"
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This bug prevents many web sites from printing in any useful respect from Mozilla browsers.
Its existence keeps me from rolling out Firefox as the default. It probably keeps any organization that frequently prints web pages from considering Firefox.
But what really irks me is that this bug has existed since 2002!. The bug has been duplicated in dozens and dozens of bug reports. It has at least 70 votes in Bugzilla. Yet no one has fixed it, and there is NO INDICATION that it will be fixed in the foreseeable future, yet it directly affects the user's browsing experience.
The history and severity of this bug does not reflect well on the Mozilla browser or its open source development model. NOTE: I am actually, personally, quite impressed with the Mozilla project, but someone who wants an excuse to banish free software might start with something like this.
Finally, as a Firefox user, a personal plea: Somebody, please fix this! Please?
For more information:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548
No problems with my 1.5 beta - in fact I visited the site with the Deer Park alphas and there was no problem at that time as well (I remember distinctly trying to open the page in various different ways).
Check that some extension e.g. AdBlock isn't stripping out the flash in one the pages. It sometimes does things like that depending on how you've configured it.
HTML rendering is WAY faster. No other visible differences, though.
People who are complaining about broken extensions or crashes should read the warning on the download page for the beta: Note: This is not the final release of our Web browser, it has been made available for testing purposes only, with no end-user support. If that sounds scary, you'd probably be better off with the latest version of Firefox 1.0. Basically this is saying that you should not install this on the computer of your grandma, who barely knows how to hit the power switch, because something will probably get broken and grams will call you about it. I'm not suggesting that everyone here who is a noob, I'm saying that people shouldn't say things like, "I've installed this on 100 computers and the new theme is ugly. These people don't know how to change any options or fix the problem." Well, they're not the type of people who should be using beta software. Yes, it is kind of annoying that extensions get broken with most new releases, but they are working on improving the update procedure. Currently, the program warns you when you first update that the following extensions aren't compatible and it offers to search for updated versions. If new versions aren't available, it disables the extensions. I believe they are working on a feature that warns you BEFORE you update that the following extensions may be incompatible. There is also some discussion about implementing a blacklist feature so that extensions with major issues, like the greasemonkey security flaw, are disabled until a fixed version is released. Like others have said, to get extensions to work you can do one of three things: Unzip the xpi and change maxversion to 1.6 or something similar, or you can install nightly tester tools and right click on every disabled extension and click "make compatible," or if you are trying to install a new extension that might not work and you have nightly tester tools installed, it has a checkbox at the bottom of the xpi install window that says "install using nightly tester tools to force compatibility." Basically you can force almost any extension to load in beta 1, and assuming the extension isn't really old, it should work without a problem. Oh, and for the person who said that they should work on a stable 1.0.7 build; builds with a number after the second decimal point (ie. 1.0.x) are basically just security fixes and don't try to fix usability problems, unless the problem breaks almost all extensions like 1.0.5 did. For anyone using XP classic theme, or a version of Windows previous to XP, here's a link to code that you can put in your userchrome.css file to get things basically looking the way they used to. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_windows_classic
After a clean install of Firefox 1.5 Beta 1, I tried to reinstall each extension I used, only to find out that Flash stops working after installing AdBlock, so for now the solution is to uninstall it until an update version comes out.
So, the big deal here is maintaining consensual state. I'm sure you know the basics here. Best practice is to POST when changing state on the server, and GET when reading. But, not everone does that. And it also took a long time to come up with that simple rule. The upshot is that when using browser based C/S apps, there is no good way to tell if the last action changed the state of whatever it is you're looking at. (For a simple example, think of confirming a bank transfer, and hitting back from the "it worked" page.) And even the POST means change rule doesn't always work or apply. Good app design has to play a role, but a browser has no idea if what is going on with the server.
There are other reasons why back can't always be exactly "what you got a page ago", but the above is the main killer (from the perspective of what I do, at least). Developers can make this better by playing tricks with the last-modified header and whatnot, but you're either going to sometimes get broken info or at least do a HEAD when going back, take your pick.
It is notable that the whole AJAX obsession usually completely kills the back button, and many web developers are very hot on the idea. If global state, session, and sometimes transaction can be bound that much more tightly, it does make life easier for a coder, at the expense of some great client side functionality. (Again, depending on how you think of it.)
Doesn't mean I'm not using XMLRPC - I don't mind bragging that we were doing some of this a few years ago. Having a community to trade ideas with kicks ass, and I've learned a lot from other's experimentation. But we shouldn't lose track of basics, like "the browser is not just a window frame; inbuilt functionality is important and if you make your own back buttons, you're missing the point."
I forget what 8 was for.
have you tried opera, i use firefox since my slowest computer runst at 1.3 ghz, but when i am setting up fresh installs on older hardware i usually point people towards opera. for quick safe browsing with tabs.
Yes, I have tried Opera - it's not customizable enough for me though. Other than that, it's not a bad browser. I've actually never had any speed problems with Firefox, even on my older computers (233 MHz). In fact, the only problems I've ever had are the Alt+Enter bug the great-great-grandparent linked to, and the fact that the bookmarks toolbar can't be right-aligned.
Nice work guys... It starts up much faster on OS X than the previous version, and it FINALLY maximizes properly on mac. It also now knows how to set itself as the default browser on OS X! The "little" things go a long way.
I hope I'll be able to turn it off; I really don't want Aqua buttons inside web pages. It would get really confusing if web sites start looking different on OS X and on other platforms.
As a workaround, there is an extension called PDF Download which gives you the choice of viewing a PDF inside the browser window or to download it.
I didn't think people actually used auto-updaters. I know the absolute most I've ever used is something that'll tell me if there's updates, and then ask me if it wants to get them.
That's the default behavior if I read the 'what's new' notes correctly (I haven't installed the beta):
Automated update to streamline product upgrades. Notification of an update is more prominent, and updates to Firefox may now be half a megabyte or smaller. Updating extensions has also improved.
I wouldn't want an update to be fully automatic without any sort of notification & confirmation-dialog... Automatic checks for updates are fine, updating automatically isn't.
Only 1 complaint so far.
Wish you could just type the install directory, instead of clicking each sub-directory. "c:\net\mozilla\firefox-beta" and be done with it. Same with profiles.
Has anyone else suffered with the weird thing where if a website times out, the browser displays a blank page, the tab says 'untitled' and if you refresh, instantly you just get a blank page (as if it hasn't even tried to refetch it).
Also there's that thing where the browser will not display the page due to some timeout again I guess, but the ticker thing still rotates as if it's trying to fetch the page (a look at netstat or LievHTTPHeaders tells you it's not).
Mind you I think the rotating ticker thing is broken in Thunderbird too, as it keeps on going after 'no new messages on server'.
Or is it meant to constantly rotate in the top right of the window just to distract you?!
Don't get me wrong, I love Mozilla stuff, but there's still basic bugs in it that need fixing before adding more crap.
#include <sig.h>
Just downloaded it.. Help -> About...
Version 1.6a1
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20050908 Firefox/1.6a1
1.6a1???
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PDF Download doesnt work with 1.5 beta 1 yet.
GPL'd web-based tradewars themed space game
. . . sadly. If you search a document for "words" and the document happens to contain "swords", it'll still match. And there's no way to make it not do it. It used to do it, back in the halcyon days of yore. But now it doesn't, and it annoys me no end.
1 ... which you can't link to from Slashdot, because bugzilla disallows slashdot referrers, so copy that link and paste.
The relevant bug appears to be this one:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1487
I love this feature and i think its one of the most important ones in this release. Since clueless users dont update its important its done for them.
This applies to all the Linux dists who aims at the desktop. A knowledgeable user will know howto turn autoupdating off but the chance of a newb to know howto update or even know he has to update is much smaller. Ofcourse autoupdating demands a bit more testing to be absolutely sure that an update doesnt hoose the system but thats not bad is it?
I really hope all the dists will start autoupdating before Linux gains to much traction and gets a bad rep because of users that dont know they should update.
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Well, as one who manages the family computer, which runs WinXP, AutoUpdate is actually pretty useful.
.. but unfortunately on Win2K the auto-update patch order got messed up. The result was that on my machine it was repeatedly installing the same patch over and over and.... :-|
Indeed
Evententually found a fix which involved manually uninstalling and then re-installing 2 updates in the correct order.
I would imagine that a beta would have more bugs. Updated stability indeed.
Needs some more work to pass the Acid2 test
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... and they still haven't fixed CSS floats. See the 5 year old bug report.
This may not be a bad thing. When people do try it and go back to the Firefox page, they see a page that looks better in a standards-compliant browser than the one they've been using.
display:inline-block;
is STILL not supported despite the fact that a lot of the existing code emulates it anyway (-moz-inline-box). this is the most important bug fix IMO as it will mean that web designers can get on with cross browser designing. as opposed to bells and whistles (ooh favicons bug fixed! gee wizz!)
If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9458
Targetted quite a ways out. (1.9).
GPL'd web-based tradewars themed space game
Here is a screenshot of Acid 2 in 1.5b1 and Opera. There doesn't appear to be any visible progress from FF 1.0.6/Mozilla 1.7.10 to 1.5b1.
Opera nazi disclaimer: I'm by no means trying to downplay the good work of the folks at Mozilla or the significance of this release, i'm just stating the facts.
I get display bugs like those, but by far the worst bug for me is the bug that causes Firefox to sometimes use 30% to 98% CPU time.
I think extensions are going to bite firefox in the ass - sure there are lots of active developers now, but down the line there will be allot of extensions that don't get updated so often, even projects on source-forge etc. What if people get reluctant to upgrade firefox because half their extensions don't work and it takes weeks or months for them to be updated? some kind of compatability control might help?
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Another name for a red panda, according to the Firefox devs.
IE is already at 7beta, so that must be ehm, a lot better!
My debian system has a manual update every once in a while (usually after i get the Debian Weekly News(letter)) How should this auto update feature workt together with apt-get? it's nice if it can signal there is an update available, but usually I dont run firefox as root, which would be the only one that has permission to do the writes necesary.
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When bookmarking a web page with frames, only the top frame is bookmarked, and the location of the sub-frames won't be remembered. IE does this correctly.
I don't like sites which use frames, but it's still used. Example: Google groups. And I would like to be able to bookmark these pages too.
The bug in Bugzilla: Frame State Bookmarking (frameset bookmarks) (copy link and paste in new browser window, they don't allow linking from Slashdot). This bug exists since 2000... Please vote for it.
When I read a discussion site like slashdot, I read the whole page, middle-clicking all the interesting links which will then get loaded in the background. I end up with many tabs, sometimes too many to read in one session. What I've read I close, so I keep moving to the next tab.
I found that Firefox 1 (on Suse 9.3 Linux with KDE) will freeze on large amounts of open tabs. I contributed that to the memory-leaking bug, so if that's solved I am a happy surfer dude.
Another great reason to upgrade is being able to view SVG files in 1.5. SVG viewing is the business case for rolling out Firefox 1.5 on all the SUNs in the company I work for. PCs still only get IE6, but IT turns a blind eye when you install Firefox 1.5 in your data disk, many people do this.
(And if you don't trust me, think about how many web browsers have a brushed metal GUI like that)
Uhm... Firefox? (http://lillesvin.net.nyud.net:8090/stuff/FirefoxB rushed.png)
Yeah, I know that it's not entirely the same and I know how Safari looks - I just wanted to point out that brushed metal isn't Apple-only.
"Live free or don't."
I could'nt find a zip version available. Does anybody know where it is. I'd love to try it out but really don't want to upgrade or uninstall my current stable firefox.
Well, there goes my karma, I WILL be modded as troll for this, but had to get it out
I think that feature is Windows-only. As you pointed out, Linux-users in general already have a system wide auto-update mechanism, so they don't need it. Besides, you wouldn't want some third-party tool to fool around with your rpm/dpkg/portage controlled system, would you?
If it's so secret, then how come I've never heard of it?
I think you are having some font issues. I think the mozilla browsers are still using some pre-carbon method for displaying text. If you go through your fonts in Font Book, disable all the 'Classic Mac OS' fonts (not 'Classic') and check if you have any damaged fonts.
In the past, when I would install Firefox, and use it, I would get one pop-up from my firewall saying "Firefox wants to access the internet". Now I get two. First it asks "Firefox wants to access the trusted zone". If you click "Yes", it then asks "Firefox wants to access the internet".
Why the change?? What did Firefox do different?
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This is a beta release folks - remember that if you convert that newbie over to 1.5.
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Client: The broken one!
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Client: Are you billing me for this conversation?
I forget what 8 was for.
Thank you for posting that. I wish more people would understand that GC is not some sort of resource management panacea, and stop relying on it as a crutch to support bad designs.
Typically, GC prevents exactly one category of programmer error for exactly one type of resource: forgetting to release memory before your program ends. That category of error is one of the least dangerous anyway, since pretty much any modern OS will do it for you as a last resort.
GC provides no guarantees against a poor design hogging memory while the program is still running, and often doesn't work well with resources other than memory. What really matters in a typical application is the timely release of all resources, and usually GC won't help with that.
Remember, boys and girls, the first rule of resource management is that every resource must have an owner responsible for releasing it when it's no longer needed. If your ownership strategy isn't clear or the owner doesn't have the knowledge/ability to release its resource(s) promptly, then your design is beyond hope and no GC in the world will save you.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I run a webpage for a University Campus bar in Ontario. 90% IE and 6.3% firefox.
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If you have firefox installed on a linux system, and use the browser's upgrade feature, can you configure your linux distro's package manager to not downgrade the browser when you do a system update? Firefox's update feature might give you a newer version than what exists in, say, Gentoo's portage tree, or Mandrake's urpmi repository.
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There's one thing I don't like abut Windows automatic updates. I rarely have my computer turned on the same time each day. Sometimes it's on in the morning, sometimes afternoon or night. If auto-updates are turned on, you can set them to download and in stall at a specific time (say 3 am). There is not a good time that I can ever set this to, so if I leave auto-updates on, I will probably never receive the updates.
What I do instead is use the "download automatically and notify me" option. That is similar to firefox's red arrow button. I still have to remember to click on it. At least Windows will pop up a bubble above the systray telling me it's ready to install.
Having a smoking section in a public restaurant is like having a peeing section in a public swimming pool.
When are they going to stop breaking the themes implementation with each version?? I'm not much of a coder, but shouldn't the hooks for themes stay more or less the same?
I have found a bug (probably). Does any body know where to report it? I am unable to find such a place on mozilla site.
Btw, here are the screenshots of the problem: problem in scrolling down: 1 2
Actually, please comment also wether it is a 'bug' enough to be reported?I forgot to be anonymous.
I have been using Mozilla Browser, then firefox, then Deer Park, and have one consistent complaint. It takes an eternity to load. Unlike most who just want to complain, I would really like to have an intelligent discussion on how to speed up the process of openning up this browser.
This is NOT flaimbait! I love mozilla products, but am bothered by this design flaw. Does this bother anyone else? Has anyone else solved this issue?
Thanks in advance!
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Ok, so what is up with XPCOM and XUL? Coming from a c++, systems background i've always resisted this "webapp" crap, but obviously this is what the suits want.
The question is, with Firefox being a 4 meg download on windows, how come Mozilla hasn't become a "platform"? I've heard shitty, changing interfaces, bad docs, etc...what's the scoop?
For years, and years I've been talking about the "deployment" issue with my colleagues. Runtimes suck, but i'd love to have a total flexibility...eventually, where i can put a lot of client logic or not a lot of client logic, but the point is its my choice.
Anyway, here's a cool XUL app that i'm sure many of you have seen......later on...i can't find it, but it's at spreadfirefox.com.
Don't bother upgrading. All your extensions won't work. This has to be the biggest problem with firefox. Everytime I upgrade, a bunch of extensions stop working. Not because they don't work, but because whoever coded them says it only works with 1.0 to 1.0x. Isn't there a better solution, like checking what functionality the plugin uses, and if the functionality hasn't been removed, then it should work?
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
The problem is Opera isn't immune from this arrogance IMHO. I'm an Opera user, and I've used it for about 4 years now. During that time, there have been some seemingly simple requests that have been contiunously asked for and ignored.
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is where I am right now. Although, I'm figuring that no matter what browser you use, there will be some really annoying things about it.
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First, make sure you have the Fx 1.5 Beta 1 (obviously). Now do you see these dialogs when going to my site (http://www.codedread.com/) or is it only local SVG files? If it is just local SVG files, see this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30358 1 that I filed with a workaround to fix this issue. If it solves the problem, go vote for that bug!
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Extensions? Remember those? Right, get SessionSaver and stop whinning.
If you find the respective install.rdf file for the extension (it usually says inside which it is). In windows they're located:
\ extensions\
C:\Documents and Settings\WINDOWS_USER\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\profilename.default
and change to 1.4, firefox will assume it works. This doesn't necessarily mean it will work though. I found the WebDev toolbar to break. But adblock works without needing to be modified.
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Just Get it.
Thanks to all the contributors!
The Import Settings Wizard?
While great for individuals migrating from another browser, this is a total PITA for anyone running a lab.
<newb raises hand>Uh, what should I do with this box that popped up...?<repeat n times/day until postal>
Some days it's just not worth
chewing through my restraints.
The first problem is that the wrong file is downloaded: firefox-1.5b1.tar.gz
./configure step. Anyone have any ideas how I can get the beta running?
whereas the pattern I expected for the alpha was: firefox-1.5b1.installer.tar.gz
When the file I downloaded was extracted it seemed to create a new firefox directory above the Desktop and the startup script calls the location where the alpha resides. Hence trying to run it brings up my Alpha 2 version. I attempted a source type installation where it failed immediately at the
I already have a firefox-installer directory from my Alpha 2 installation, however, I cannot believe Mozilla can assume every tester will have had a previous test version installed.
So far in most respects I find Deer Park even at the Alpha 2 stage better than 1.0.6, however, it is not without flaws. I woold like to see if some of the problems I encountered have been fixed.
I am using Deer Park routinely, with the exception where I am trying to determine if I am really seeing a test browser problem or where a problem within Deer Park is too onerous.
TIA
the preference is no more "simple and intuitive" like firefox 1.0.x. there is no "clear all" in the privacy tab. it's now more complicated, much like the original mozilla suite....
I can't believe no one has reported the most important feature of a new Firefox release! What's it say?
I never update right away, as it invariably either disables my plugins, or they break anyway. Until they stablize their plugin APIs... no thanks.
Those error pages have been a looooooong time coming. Bug 28586 which is just the meta bug for the whole issue, was opened in 2000!
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28586
(Copy and paste the URL as moz disables slashdot referrer).
It's great to see them finally enabled in a release and working well - one of the last remaining minor points where IE was preferable.
Congratulations and thanks to all those people who worked on delivering them!
For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
Firefox and Mozilla have to deal with every quirk of IE's broken css support and none standard extensions because any website that renders in IE "correctly" but not in Firefox/Mozilla is the fault of Mozilla/Firefox?
Now you are saying that the web designers for Firefox/Mozilla must not use w3c standard code because it does not look as good in IE as it does in Firefox? So when a website that doesn't render correctly in Firefox it is Firefox's fault but when a website doesn't render in correctly in IE even if that website is COMPLETELY w3c compliant it is the website's fault....
Wow and people wonder why Microsoft is hated by so many knowledgeable computer users.
"Since the same organization that made the page makes the software, it is conceivable that people would be turned away from FireFox on the assumption that people who produce broken web pages also produce broken programs."
Unlike Microsoft that produces broken programs and websites?
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
went to 'latest headlines' and did an 'Open in Tabs' .. the browser menus were still usable while all 25 or so headlines loaded. thats pretty nice in itself.
I've been using Deer Park Alpha for a while, mostly because I have a Athlon64 and the only 64-bit version of Firefox is based on the alphas. Since then I've started using it at work also and haven't run into any problems. My favorite 'new feature' is that links, when clicked on, will now automatically open in a new tab, instead of opening in the current tab. This annoyed me to no end in previous versions.
One of the new features in 1.5 is the support of tag (http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Drawing_Grap hics_with_Canvas). I thought firefox was about being fast, having a small memory footprint and letting users add bloat features through extensions. <canvas> tag is currently supported only on Safari, is not a W3C standard (unlike SVG), and I don't see why do I need to load its support stub/code into memory every time I want to browse the web.
Can these sort of things be moved to extension land?
Security-protocols.com issued an advisory for a Critical buffer-overflow problem. I was unable to reproduce it with the links they provided, however.
Assuming this is confirmed as problem, wait 'til they fix it, then download the secured version. All versions of Firefox are affected.
-Rob
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... on *NIX where file permissions are set properly so that user apps cannot overwrite system files.
How the hell are they going to solve THAT problem?
search plugins now get installed into your profile instead of the global application directories. looks like they are finally fixing all the little inconsistencies. good job guys!
It would be nice to be able to download DVD isos with the premiere open source product.
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It really irks me that sites are somehow figuring out ways around the pop-up blocker.
:)
Usually casalemedia and fastclick are notorious for this.
Has this issue been resolved yet?
Also, couldn't you just... hardcode it to ignore ANY rendering from those sites (amongst others) since they're not really legit?
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
I want to know if updating via a little icon in the top right corner will now be working for Linux? I find that feature handy on my Windoze machines, but miss it on my Linux boxen.
Meh.
It shouldn't and it doesn't--the Debian packages disable the auto-update mechanism.
My biggest gripe with FireFox is ONE bug. I have installed Firefox on every machine I touch and this issue has shown up on every installation -- so I know I am not alone. I've read the web and tried every solution offered with no success. And apparently, there are a LOT of people having this issue.
/. thread and minimize it. Then after a while, restore the window to regular size. You should see the freeze.
The problem occurs when I leave Firefox up and running but minimize it to do other work. After some period of time (no pattern that I can recognize), FireFox will freeze when I restore the browser to my desktop. It will unfreeze after it gets done "processing" whatever it is doing. But it takes about 30sec - 1min for it to unfreeze. The problem is repeatable over and over again and it is unbelievably frustrating. I've hung in there and dealt with it up to now but it seems to be so goddamn common that I have a hard time understanding why the issue persists and Firefox has not fixed it yet.
To reproduce the issue, open a
This may be the same memory leak issue that was mentioned above. If so, FIREFOX TEAM LISTEN UP: please fix this or many of us will be forced to go elsewhere.
read this : http://fusion94.org/archives/2005/07/firefox_memor y.html
1)Type about:config into the location bar and press enter
2)Right click any line to bring up a sub-menu
3)Choose "new">"integer"
4)paste this into the dialogue that appears: browser.cache.memory.capacity
5)Next click Okay
6)Specify the amount in kb (about 60000 should do) in the next dialogue that appears
7)Restart Firefox and happy surfing.
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
At least the site is still functional in IE. I remember when you couldn't use IE's website from the version of IE that came with Windows NT. You had to download another browser that was capable of displaying IE's website and then download the latest IE.
Browsing is a continually ongoing process. I'm not constantly at the browser but it keeps track of the process. I never close out my Explorer folders either.
Yeah, things like aptitude, porthole (or it is portal? I forget) and red carpet - they're the devil. I hate when third party apps mess with my packages. :)
I've been using 1.06 for a while now, and upon upgrading, my windows media is now completely broken. Has anyone else had this problem?
Firefox isn't a security flaw.
Would you rather have IPC open as an RPC? No. They bind to 127.0.0.1 for IPC (restricting it to local traffic only). Security +1. If you think this is bad, how do you think two processes of firefox talk to each other and realize "Oh... I'm already running, rather than starting another copy, I'll tell the other to load xxx page/new window"
Then you got another socket for internet. You don't really need this, but without this firefox is sorta restricted to intranet/local browsing.
Just be happy they don't leave an open RPC.
[!] No, I can't see my comments. They are not worthy of +3 moderation.
"Works For Me" in Firefox beta1, Camino 2005090404 (0.9a2+) on Mac OS X 10.4.2
"Well, there goes my karma, I WILL be modded as troll for this, but had to get it out"
Ahhhh...the ninja art of "Bye Bye Karma" Karma Whoring....
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What you wrote would be true if there was no memory leak but that is not the case, the algorithm does *not* work like expected.
If you do not set browser.cache.memory.capacity, the memory used on your system can grow limitless. It has been seen by many users, just search "firefox memory leak" on the web.
Now you can set it to a lower number if you want or need it.
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
I would expect the WYSIWYG editor to be used on the mozilla web site is either the html editior in the 'suite' application or possibly the gecko based Nvu.
There's some irony in there somewhere.
The last time I saw an extension to do that, it had to manually save the state. Not terribly useful for crash protection. Thanks!
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Even with the free license, it's just plain ugly. It has a UI that isn't worthy of a professional application, both in terms of eye appeal and low level attention to detail.
Do some decent UI design, make it free as in beer, and Opera might be a contender.
Here's an SVG sample I wrote myself: SVG Electoral Vote Calculator
I'm thrilled with the SVG support in this browser - IE's Adobe plugin not withstanding, this is the first browser that I've been able to get that page working in without a hitch. Should open the door to some more widespread SVG development goodness, once this browser gains popularity.
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That's actually "4.0.1". There's a subtle-but-important difference, mainly that 4.1 doesn't exist outside CVS yet.
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Sorry, but I see that mistake a lot, even among people that should be familiar with x.y.z version numbers. I know people who will think that Firefox 1.5 is less recent than 1.0.6 (which they mentally abbreviate to 1.06 -> 1.6).
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
I don't know about porthole/portal or red carpet, but aptitude is just a frontend for dpkg.
If it's so secret, then how come I've never heard of it?
Same here... KB823353 is the only thing showing up in my AutoUpdates, and I've probably installed it 5 times...
It seems that it's a well documented problem, as well...
(KB897715 appears to be the update that causes the problem, as it has to be installed AFTER 823353...)
Just checked my own link, seems that Bugzilla rejects referalls from /. Any ideas why?
only 2002? pfft!!!
this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9458
has been open since 1999 and has over 150 votes. and quite frankly, i don't think the votes mean much. i remember reading a quote from a major maintainer saying that he might consider how many votes a bug had if it was something in the tens of thousands. (this was about two years ago, regarding the most voted on bug in bugzilla, with a little over 500 votes. and still open, by the way...)
and as much as i like mozilla/firefox and appreciate the work that the developers are putting into it, i still find it ridiculous how they will frequently mass move bugs that they don't feel like fixing (even ones marked as release blockers) from one release to the next. the bug above was originally targetted for mozilla milestone M9...
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
I'm still using Safari 1.3.1, so I'm not familiar with the latest versions of it. Is there anything in the latest versions of Safari which does the open-these-multiple-links-in-tabs trick that the Linky extension does for Firefox? I find that trick to be very useful in general, and a must have feature for some surfing in particular.
LiveJournal looks just fine for me in both Camino and Firefox 1.5. I think you have a font problem.
The nonstandard grammar of "bugs is bugs" was more than likely an allusion to Pigs Is Pigs by Ellis Parker Butler.
True, both IE's Trident engine and Firefox's Gecko engine have a quirks mode, and they're triggered in similar ways, but Firefox's quirks mode doesn't emulate the box model bugs in IE's quirks mode.
The history and severity of this bug does not reflect well on the Mozilla browser or its open source development model.
Somebody needs to set up a webpage where we can all pool donations to be specifically allocated to folks who volunteer fix these sorts of tough bugs and annoyances. It is obvious that the Mozilla team doesn't respond to vote count in any reliable fashion. However, if there was some money on the line, I bet they'd bite. Frankly, the Mozilla guys are doing a pretty good job and they deserve the compensation regardless. But it's fact that people are more willing to 'donate' when they get something in return. Is fixing bug 154892 worth $50 to me personally? No, but I'd be willing to donate that much to a "bug 154892 bounty" because I know it will support a hard working developer while also guaranteeing that a pet peeve is eliminated.
Good things are always worth paying for..
Oh well, I guess nobody knows about something called a joke here.
I pretend to know more than I really do by mooching off google and wikipedia.
Was there an issue with the options layout before? Did they receive complaints about the layout or is this another example of change for the sake of change?
I used to be able to clear all my browsing history from the same page, now history, cookies, cache are all on separate tabs.
Yeah, they're all frontends to package management systems. And firefox's update could easily be a frontend for dpkg, apt, rpm, emerge, portage, pkgtool, etc. It takes what, one like to update a package? It'd be pretty trivial to add package support and auto-built packages to the distribution scheme, and it'd make more sense to do that than to worry about keeping track of the install path for future upgrades. It's not like installing on Linux is just like installing on Win32/OS X anyway - which reminds me, do they use the OS X built-in installer system yet, or is it still "drag this application to the Applications folder"?