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Tech Support to the Stars

Carl Bialik writes "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Prince, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris, Bon Jovi, and U2 all have used technical support when on the road, when their Wi-Fi or Xbox or Sidekick needs servicing. The Journal takes a look at the lives of the essential, if overlooked, members of the entourage, the support tech. Joshua Kapellen, of Best Buy's Geek Squad, has been on the road with U2 since 2004. From the article: 'Last March, lead singer Bono needed his Xbox connected while the band rehearsed in Canada. Mr. Kapellen got a call. He hooked up the contraption and a few minutes later was playing videogames with Bono. "It was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me," says Mr. Kapellen.'"

289 comments

  1. Whoa by Airconditioning · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's bad enough having good natured people on the other end of the phone line, can you imagine what it would be like with a total ego-maniac? For sanity's sake son, run like hell.

    1. Re:Whoa by bheer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ask anyone in IT who's dealt with top management-- I'm pretty sure they get a lot of practice dealing with egomaniacs :-)

    2. Re:Whoa by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had one acquaintance who had taken a temporary job as a tech support technician. When he got calls from people like that, he'd apparently just insert words like "penis" and "assrape" into their conversations. He didn't care if he got fired, and considering the low quality of the firm he was with, the issue never even came up.

      He said that saying such things would confuse the hell out of the callers, and their confusion would quickly override their arrogance and anger.

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    3. Re:Whoa by ZiakII · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ask anyone in IT who's dealt with top management-- I'm pretty sure they get a lot of practice dealing with egomaniacs :-)

      You think thats bad.. try being IT in the USMC and dealing with officers. I hurried to find what was so wrong with the Comanding Officer's computer after he demanded someone come right now and look at it, to find out he wanted to change the paperclip to a dog. (sigh)

    4. Re:Whoa by rikkards · · Score: 1

      When I migrated a Major over from 95 to 2000 he was pissed that he lost his stats in Freecell. Solved that issue quick. We mandated no games to be installed in the Desktop Images.
      Pretty difficult to argue against that. Mind you the uniforms were ok. The civies were threatening grievances.

    5. Re:Whoa by mrhale · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Whoa by layer3switch · · Score: 1

      "...to find out he wanted to change the paperclip to a dog."

      at least, your CO didn't mean it literally... *sigh*

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    7. Re:Whoa by shinigam · · Score: 1

      You know as a student graduating out of school and about to hit the fleet. I have a bad feeling being a network admin is going to suck....

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    8. Re:Whoa by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      For sanity's sake son, run like hell.

      tech suppot to pink floyd?

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    9. Re:Whoa by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      When he got calls from people like that, he'd apparently just insert words like "penis" and "assrape" into their conversations. He said that saying such things would confuse the hell out of the callers, and their confusion would quickly override their arrogance and anger.

      Didn't you learn anything?

      The first rule of Tech Support Club is You do not talk about tech support club.
      The second rule of Tech Support Club is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT TECH SUPPORT CLUB.

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    10. Re:Whoa by odourpreventer · · Score: 1

      Of course it sucks. That's why it pays good money.

      If it doesn't, go somewhere else. It's not like there's a shortage of admin jobs.

    11. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for one year i did ISP tech support (shudder), when people yelled, i turned the volume down until i could just barely hear it...wouldn't turn the volume up enough to make out what they were saying until i heard 10 seconds of silence, figure they would just yell themselves out and they usually did.

    12. Re:Whoa by QMO · · Score: 1

      I did tech support for dental software for a while.
      Many of the customers were great.
      The office managers were usually smart enough to give good information.
      The hygenists and assistants often only had very limited understanding of the software, but were willing to learn.
      When I talked to other IT people (you know, someone setting up the dentist's network, etc.) it was either very smooth, or very rocky, depending on the ego of the caller. (I'm not assuming that I don't have an ego, but rather than my ego probably stayed relatively constant.)
      However, the most unreasonably egotistical, rude, it's-your-fault-and-you're-going-to-fix-it-and-I'm -going-to-tell-you-how customers were men that had graduated from dental school.

      (It should be noted that people are individuals and these are generalities.)

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    13. Re:Whoa by AppyPappy · · Score: 1

      If you are willing to work for a company that openly labels you a "Geek", I doubt you much care what happens to you.

      My 12 year-old daughter is the worst Luser in the world. If Word doesn't shit her a purple pony on command, she swears there is a worldwide computer conspiracy against her. If her printer runs out of ink, she swears everyone hates her. Any attempts to help her are met with glaring disdain because I am dumb as a bag of hammers. Note: All fathers of 12 year-old girls are too stupid to live. I pity the poor bastard that is going to marry her.

      She reminds me of a user I had that would demand I come to her cube because she had an emergency. The emergency was always a problem printing a banner for her church on the dot-matrix printer and it was always the same issue. Writing down the instructions didn't help. She wanted a "geek" to come stand next to her in case she needed help.

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    14. Re:Whoa by COMON$ · · Score: 1
      Im there with ya good man. State Law Enforcement isnt much better. I get a lot of "Just make it work" Kind of hard to argue with a frustrated Officer who is carrying a 9mm.

      I also just dont understand the technology invoved that gives anyone with a badge an inherent understanding of all computers. Is there some kind of microchip in those things that grants the wearer knowledge over someone with 15 years of support under their belt?

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    15. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know exactly what you're going through.

      I went in supposedly as a Data Systems Specialist, with the hope of being a programmer for some arcane language, but I ended up being assigned a planner (0511). I actually like it a lot better and feel like I am learning a whole lot more about the Corps and the military/world in general. It turned out all my NCOs EASed soon after I got to my first duty station and I became the ISC, the liaison to NMCI, for my shop, and I do my best to manage the 50-odd NIPR and SIPR machines. With crappy NMCI in control really I can't do all that much, but at least this isn't my primary job and I ultimately report to another marine and not some EDS civy.

    16. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Of course it sucks. That's why it pays good money.


      Uh, he said he's going out to the fleet, so I'm assuming he's a navy guy or a jarine. My guess is that he'll be making around a grand a month as an E-3 or so.
    17. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I don't think he'd shoot you. Not even if you told him to fuck himself.

  2. Can somebody please explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why on earth anybody, anywhere, in the history of the world, would ever care enough about this to utter "mrh?", let alone write a news story about it?

    In other news: celebs are human!
    In other news: celebs take dumps!
    In other news: celebs eat food!
    In other news: celebs breath air!
    In other news: celebs use tech support!

    1. Re:Can somebody please explain... by motek · · Score: 1

      Well, you apparently did. Albeit in the meta-mode. C'mon, people buy all these magazines. In a way, nobody is above all this celeb stuff. Except for me, that is. I am very special.

      -m-

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    2. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but celebs also usually take dumps on golden toilet seats, eat better food that you can afford, breath fresher air than you breathe in your normal non-rich neighborhood, and therefore it was logical that they have their personal technician whenever they want to plug something.

      The point you missed is, the story is interesting because it turns out some celebs rely on the regular tech support channels the rest of us use / have to put up with.

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    3. Re:Can somebody please explain... by PixelCat · · Score: 0, Troll

      The real story is, how dumb is Bono if he can't set up an Xbox. It's like sex. Plug in socket. What, he can't handle that?

    4. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And yet, most people are fascinated by it.

      There's many reasons why, popularity by association, hero worship, rarity, etc.

      One time I fought over Goldberg's (of WCW/WWE fame) receipt after he came through the drivethrough. I didn't even like prowrestling.

      Lots of people's lives are dull and unhappy. Its nice to hear about rich and wonder what its like.

    5. Re:Can somebody please explain... by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well as a Tech I don't care about these people either, but it would be a nice job, traveling around the world, possibly making contacts with techs in the recording industry, definatly not a job to sneeze at.

    6. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I am not impressed by this article. As for the guy who said that playing XBox with Bono was "one of coolest things that ever happened" to him - what a sad, sad man. He must have nothing better in his life than to fawn over celebrities like some sort of salivating moron.

    7. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Musteval · · Score: 3, Funny
      Lots of people's lives are dull and unhappy. Its nice to hear about rich and wonder what its like.

      ...dull, unhappy, and filled with gold?

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    8. Re:Can somebody please explain... by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why should Bono have to perform such a menial task? His time is far better spent criticizing various Western governments for not giving enough financial aide to developing nations, while at the same time he is pulling in millions upon millions of dollars from his music dealings.

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    9. Re:Can somebody please explain... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      Just one? Aren't there 3 cables; video, left, and right audio? Not to mention power and controller. Well, yeah, the last 2 don't count, and the rest are color-coded, and it's easy for you and me, but maybe rock stars don't like crawling under their TV table to find the sockets on the back.

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    10. Re:Can somebody please explain... by PixelCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can't Bono afford a TV with inputs on the front?

    11. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he can't, he calls the sex support technicians when he gets confused.

      Trying to explain for the umpteenth time how to correctly put on a condom isn't that rewarding or nice but it pays the bills. He's also had a few "hole location" mishaps...

    12. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      What he probably didn't tell us was that Andrea Corr was there, too. Andrea and Bono are close friends.

      If true, THAT'S why it was cool. Who cares about Bono unless you're gay? Andrea is another story. She is definitely worth salivating over - and celebrity has little to do with it.

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    13. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Because, celebs have a huge ego and think that whenever they do something, we should know, and there are a lot of spineless people who will cave in to them. For example, look at what the ego of one of our own celebs creates.

    14. Re:Can somebody please explain... by K8Fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe he was trying to hook an X-Box to an HDTV? He'd have to get the X-Box in HD resolution, make sure the HD set was configured correctly, make sure he had the right cables and adaptors, and was hooked to the right input. Even something as simple as a component input has two varients YPbPr and YBbCr. Or this could have been a European TV and he needed a SCART adaptor. Or the TV only had an HDMI input - or a VGA - or a DVI.

      Whatever. This job can be complicated even for those of us who have been doing this since the 1970s.

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    15. Re:Can somebody please explain... by slashflood · · Score: 1

      In other news: celebs take dumps!

      Jennifer Aniston too?

    16. Re:Can somebody please explain... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Why should Bono have to perform such a menial task? His time is far better spent criticizing various Western governments for not giving enough financial aide to developing nations, while at the same time he is pulling in millions upon millions of dollars from his music dealings.

      Politics aside, you aren't making any sense. What does his millions have to do with him criticizing the foreign aid policy of various governments? It's not like he has enough cash to make a difference.

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    17. Re:Can somebody please explain... by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      If it is so lame then why even take the time to post?

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    18. Re:Can somebody please explain... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      Not to mention his concerts in Brazil which will cost £50 to see.

    19. Re:Can somebody please explain... by rbochan · · Score: 1

      Yes, but celebs also usually take dumps on golden toilet seats...

      Well, except for Dave Matthews...

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  3. *One of* the coolest things... by motek · · Score: 0, Troll

    Being a geek (especially on the squad) is certainly underrated.

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    1. Re:*One of* the coolest things... by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No its not. And this is not one of the coolest things.

      This guy is at the beck and call of people to plug their consoles in, how is that glamorous or cool.

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    2. Re:*One of* the coolest things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $15 an hour cool!

    3. Re:*One of* the coolest things... by inter+alias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, you'd be rolling in money at $15 an hour...

  4. Bono better knows how to play games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, he now owns BioWare.

  5. Slash-crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ""The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Prince, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris, Bon Jovi, and U2 all have used technical support when on the road, when their Wi-Fi or Xbox or Sidekick needs servicing."

    Are these the people who's music is suppose to be crap? Or is that a different group?

    1. Re:Slash-crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up. Bon Jovi kicks ass.

    2. Re:Slash-crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are these the people who's music is suppose to be crap? Or is that a different group?

      They chose to be part of the group or people richer than everybody else, you chose the group of people who can't write english.

    3. Re:Slash-crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Prince was on SNL last night playing the guitar like Jimi Hendrix back from the grave. Certainly not crap.

    4. Re:Slash-crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because he has talent, doesn't mean that he uses it to make good music.

      (Hint: He doesn't use his talent to make good music.)

  6. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bono presents an image of himself as social justice incarnate, yet can't get by without a Microsoft product. Get real.

    1. Re:So... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's worse than that. He was recently at some "prayer conference" where he got to pray with a bunch of neocons and corrupt Republicans. Absolutely disgusting.

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    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful... Your inner bigot is showing.

    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But his speech there was really....really good.

  7. Cool? by zappepcs · · Score: 0, Redundant

    FTFA **Mr. Kapellen got a call. He hooked up the contraption and a few minutes later was playing videogames with Bono. "It was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me," says Mr. Kapellen.'"**

    Cool would have been winning $1000 off of Bono playing video games!!

    1. Re:Cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If thats the coolest thing that happened to him thats sad.

    2. Re:Cool? by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 1

      Well, he does work for Geek Squad....

    3. Re:Cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I caddied for Michael Jordan at the TPC in The Woodlands, TX once, he bet 50,000 on a 12 foot put. The bet went like this, if he made it I get nothing, if he misses he cuts me a check for the money right there. As it goes, he missed the put by about 8 inches and I got the money. He's putting me through college on a bet he lost that to him is probably nothing. I sometimes wonder if he didn't miss on purpose considering he was doing very well that day, and this was the 18th hole.

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  9. Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Mad+Martigan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Reminds me of an anecdote from An Evening with Kevin Smith where he talks about dealing with one of Prince's handlers while he (Kevin Smith) was making a documentary for Prince:
    She's like, "Prince doesn't comprehend things the way you and I do."

    I was like, "What do you mean?"

    She was like, "Well ... Prince has been living in Prince World for quite some time now." She's like, "So Prince will come to us periodically and say things like: 'It's 3 in the morning in Minnesota. I really need a camel. Go get it.'

    And then we try to explain to Prince, like: 'Prince, it's 3:00 in the morning in Minnesota, it's January ... and you want a camel. That is not physically or psychologically possible.'

    And Prince says, 'Why?"'

    I'm like, "Is he an asshole?"

    She's like, "He's not malicious when he does it. He just doesn't understand why he can't get what he wants. He doesn't understand why someone can't process a request ... like a camel at 3 in the morning in Minnesota."

    I was like, "That's not my problem. I can't do what he wants. I don't know what to do."

    She said, "You'd be doing me a huge favor if you tell him that."

    I was like, "All right, I'll tell him."

    I'm not sure I'd want to be doing tech support for this guy.
    1. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      It'd be fun to do tech support for him. Use his own attitude against him. If he wants it done right away, take your time. If all he wanted was a Playstation controller plugged in, turn around and proceed to take the controller apart. Get it working eventually, of course. But make him wait. Of course, there might be financial ramifications for doing so. But it might just be worth it, to get his goat.

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    2. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by daigu · · Score: 1

      I don't know. If he is out riding a camel at 3:00am in the morning in Minnesota in January or asking why he can't be, he probably isn't remixing his songs or playing his XBox. It might be the ideal tech support job - no calls. Or even better, you can just tell Prince, "Hey, I don't do camels."

    3. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Xerp · · Score: 1

      Sorry, just how is this different to doing tech support for anyone else?

    4. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "I'm not sure I'd want to be doing tech support for this guy."

      I got my re-start in the music world doing just this sort of thing...I had some minor success (embarasingly so) as a teen and left the industry to pursue computers and schooling and along the way guys I met in the industry would give me calls asking if I knew how to do something or other and I'd try to help...and it slowly grew up the food chain.

      More and more, I got the call the be the guy to break the bad news to the guys that either it wasn't possible OR the price was much more than they wanted to pay (and something they said screw the price and I'd send a team down to LaLaLand and we'd get it done).

      But yeah, it sometimes sucks to be that guy...sometimes the stars are so far in their reality that they refuse to believe you...other times they are so thankful that you aren't one of the yesmen and hangers on that are willing to lie out their teeth and try not to offend them that they love you (this is more often than not -- the camel girl handler was probably a suckup that couldn't really do her job and was just afraid of losing her only access to this lifestyle).

      Luckily, I have my company these days that handles most of this and I can focus on the more important things in life (its still fun to get free shows as friends know to call me if they are within a few hours from me, or occasionally flown out to industy events, but I'd rather stick with my research these days).

      Trying to decide if I should post this anonymously or not...yeah, I think thats the right thing as I'd rather not get my name raked through the mud by geeks who seem to think this is bragging in that 'stars' should be envied...they ain't anyone special except folks with a lot of money who get recognized while walking down the street (and are usually more down to earth than guys that have made money the old fashion way -- getting it from their parents -- in fact the last show I did, I was flown out to do help with guy doing a birthday party for a billionaires daughter...and I ended up decking her husband because he said some racist things about the band members in my presence and getting in my face when I said something about it -- I'd rather deal with new money / reality distorted stars than asshole old money -- and most of the old money is exactly this way).

      Definately anonymous.

    5. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by superdude72 · · Score: 1

      She was like, "Well ... Prince has been living in Prince World for quite some time now." She's like, "So Prince will come to us periodically and say things like: 'It's 3 in the morning in Minnesota. I really need a camel. Go get it.'

      And then we try to explain to Prince, like: 'Prince, it's 3:00 in the morning in Minnesota, it's January ... and you want a camel. That is not physically or psychologically possible.'


      I'd do the best I could if money were truly no object. Like, give me a million dollars in petty cash + expenses. If that price is too high then, well... hello! Mr. Prince. Welcome to reality.

    6. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Passive aggressiveness is AWESOME!

    7. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by sakusha · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh yeah, I've been on the receiving end of that sort of request. I used to work in a high-end service bureau, one of my jobs was doing Iris inkjet proofs. We had the fastest Iris RIP in town, a MacIIfx, and were known for our ability to turn out rush jobs quickly.
      One day a frantic designer from Warner Brothers Music comes in, he wants a rush Iris print. I said no problem, I can drop everything in the queue and set up your job immediately, for only 2x the usual rate (our standard rush-drop-everything rate). I sit down with the client at the workstation and open up the Quark XPress file, it's the new CD cover for Prince's "Diamonds and Pearls." But it is totally fucked up. The designer has done everything possible that will take forever to rasterize and print, I can immediately see that this job is going to take at least 90 minutes just to RIP. The designer totally loses it, he says, "but.. but.. I have to get a print done and back to my office before Prince gets there to see it, I need it in the next 15 minutes, Prince is already in a limo on his way to my office! Money is no object, can't you get 5 or 6 people to work on it and get it done sooner?" I wasn't in the mood to explain the Mythical Man-month to him, I said, "look, we've only got one Iris printer and one RIP, but even if I had 6 of them, they don't work cooperatively, we would still only get your first print in 90 minutes, not 1 print in 15 minutes. You really should have gotten this job to us sooner if you wanted a print sooner. This job is going to take exactly as long as it takes, and no less. If you'd set this job up properly, it could complete in 20 minutes, and we go to a lot of work to educate our customers to prepare jobs to run efficiently, so if you'd like, I can explain that to you while we wait for your job to finish."
      The designer broke down into tears, and ran out of my office and left the building. I decided to complete the job (there was nothing else really urgent in the queue, it could run unattended while I did other jobs), and about 2 hours later it was done (my estimate was a little low). I called the designer at Warner's but nobody could find him, I eventually spoke to his manager. He said Prince was still in the building and was ready to review the proof, so I had it sent over by my fastest, craziest motorcycle courier. I called the manager later to insure the proof was delivered promptly, he said Prince saw it and loved it. However, I noticed that the CD cover that was released for sale was a completely different design. Sheesh!

    8. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for confirming your existence. I'd always assumed your position existed, but purely by inference.

          Nice to see I was right about that.

    9. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Elminst · · Score: 1

      But did you get PAID???
      If he ran out of your office with no indication of coming back... then you're quite the nice guy to run the job anyway.

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    10. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It'd be fun to do tech support for him. Use his own attitude against him. If he wants it done right away, take your time. If all he wanted was a Playstation controller plugged in, turn around and proceed to take the controller apart. Get it working eventually, of course. But make him wait. Of course, there might be financial ramifications for doing so. But it might just be worth it, to get his goat.

      Passive aggressive behaviour... what are you, like 14 years old?

    11. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      But did you get PAID???
      If he ran out of your office with no indication of coming back... then you're quite the nice guy to run the job anyway.

      Well, I'd assume he got paid up front. In which case not performing the work would mean he would have to return the $$$, which was 2x the normal rate. And if he didn't get paid upfront, he had made the request as an agent of Warner & Prince, they would have a responsibility to cover the tab. There are some issues, you would need reason to believe he really was an authorized agent, etc.

      One would assume these guys were regular customers as well.

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    12. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by sakusha · · Score: 1

      Well of course we got paid. Warner Music was a regular client at our shop, the job was set in motion once the designer signed the job ticket. I was prepared to discard the job and not charge them if they didn't want the output, that's when I called the manager, once I knew the job would complete the RIP successfully. I figured I should do the best I could to help the poor designer, even if he was acting irrationally in an attempt to please some idiot celebrity. So the job wasn't completed as fast as he demanded, but it was done as fast as anyone could complete it. I did my best. And of course it meant nothing in the long run because that wasn't the final artwork they ended up with. I used to deal with this sort of "crisis" every day with hundreds of clients, I guess the designer had never dealt with something like this before. I hope he learned something.

    13. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by toadlife · · Score: 1

      So I take it that Chapelle show skit about prince isn't far off?

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    14. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Maybe this is what Chappelle is trying to avoid. Go Dave! His heart is in the right place and I support him. I hope he gets rid of the corporate handlers and gets back to what he does best.

      Nobody _needs_ fifty million dollars and I have to admire the guy for essentially saying 'fuck you'.

    15. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I've seen this happen numerous times in a company I worked at. Graphic design, like programming, is one of those fields where management vastly underestimates the time it will take to "knock something up for this presentation I'm doing first thing tomorrow". Graphic designers, like programmers, seem to just knuckle down and do it without complaint, time and time again, which just validates the manager's misconceptions. Unlike programmers though, graphic designers are dependant on external companies for the final stage of their output, luckily the print shops understand the pressure the designers are under and keep hours to suit. Officially the print shop our designer used had to get jobs in by 6pm to have them done the following night, but I know there were cases where the job wasn't ready until 8pm, but they still got it through as long as they got advance warning that there was an urgent job on its way.

    16. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by jrumney · · Score: 1
      to have them done the following night

      I meant overnight, or the following morning.

    17. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by SpacePunk · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's off at all. Just look at the face of the guy telling the story. It's not Dave telling it, Dave is just acting it out.

    18. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by rograndom · · Score: 1

      Ahh, here's a funny Iris story (as told to me by Graham Nash, yes that Graham Nash):

      Mr. Nash at one point owned a few Iris printers (some "modified" to accept different kinds of papers) and a service bureau to make said machines available to whoever needed them. One of these people was an older woman who was getting ready to make some prints of one of her paintings. This is a big event for her, there's an big party planned as this is the first work she's sold on such a large scale. So her agent sends in her original painting and the bureau make a proof in a couple of days and sends the proof to the painter for, well, proofing. About a week later a package comes in and inside is the proof, all cut into hundreds of pieces. The bureau calls the painter to see what was wrong with the proof that would cause such a reaction. Well it seems that the painter thought that her original painting had been rejected and sent back to her and she was so mad at the agent for having her believe that it was going to be sold that she took a knife to it. Once everyone got on the phone and explained the situation to the painter she said that the proof was fine and to go ahead with the run.

    19. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      it meant nothing in the long run because that wasn't the final artwork they ended up with

      Don't feel bad. Apparently, this is pretty common practice with Prince and his assorted lackeys. I've heard he throws out entire music videos, fully produced and everything. Ridiculously wasteful, but should make for an interesting auction when he dies.

      -Eric

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    20. Re:Prince, eh? That Sounds Fun. by aliensporebomb · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is:
      -did he want the cigarette?
      -or the several ton, two humped animal?

      I am inclined to believe the latter since there are
      all night convenience stores in Minnesota.

  10. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by B3ryllium · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You're talking about Mark Cuban, aren't you? :)

  11. Re:Is there a way... by SimplePaul · · Score: 1

    only if Bill Gates needed help connecting his XBox :^)

  12. Bono Uses Celebrity For Good by Mad+Martigan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet that there were strings attached when Bono played Xbox with that guy:

    Bono: It'd be pretty cool if you could play this with me, right?
    Kapellen: Yeah.
    Bono: Alright, then we'll play -- but you have to promise to cure AIDS as soon as we're done.
    Kapellen: (mulls it over for a minute) Yeah, okay.

    That, ladies and gentlemen, is a socially constructive application of the power of celebrity. I bet that Kapellen guy is half way to a bachelor's degree in Biology by now.

    1. Re:Bono Uses Celebrity For Good by Elminst · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if my having a BA in biology is any indication... He'll be back doing tech support in 2 years.
      (I have said BA, and i've been doing various tech jobs for 7 years)

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    2. Re:Bono Uses Celebrity For Good by AaronBrethorst · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken, Josh actually dropped out of the University of Minnesota, where he was pursuing his B.S. in Aerospace Engineering. Then again, I may have minor details of that wrong...I haven't worked for Josh since 2000.

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  13. Re:Is there a way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve? Is that you?

  14. What is the story? by comp.sci · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sorry, but defining a few minutes with a celebrity as one of the best times in your life is just pathetic. Stop living off other peoples' lives. The tech support probably required more brains and talent than most celebrities have...
    Some celebrities do good things, but most "ordinary" people do way more useful things. When is the last time you described spending time with someone like a doctor or nurse as an amazing time? To me, they are way more important people than any celebrity.

    1. Re:What is the story? by Ravatar · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but in a similar situation, something tells me you'd be feeling the same way as him.

    2. Re:What is the story? by Onuma · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately it's hard to describe time with a doctor or nurse while you have a cathater in your vein with an IV and pneumonia in a hospital in Georgia as "A good time".

      They do some truly great work and they improve the lives of people they work with, and I have a lot of respect for all of them. Someone who simply won a contest on Survivor or ran 4 touchdowns in the championship game doesn't impress me.

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    3. Re:What is the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Describing it as one of the "best times" of one's life is likely an exaggeration, but at the very least it was probably very memorable. If you spent some time with some celeb (tv, music, tech, CoyboyNeal, ...) and it was more than just a handhake line, you'd probably be telling all your friends until they were sick of the story.

    4. Re:What is the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ran 4 touchdowns in the championship game doesn't impress me.

      Nobody talks about Al Bundy like that. Polk High football rules!!!!!

    5. Re:What is the story? by mattjb0010 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry, but in a similar situation, something tells me you'd be feeling the same way as him.

      Having spent time with celebrities there's that split second at the start where you do an internal Keanu Reeves (woah, dude!) but then the rest of the time, they're a normal person, with normal things to do (eat, go to the toilet). It really is just an everyday sort of experience. Really, the time spent reading/watching their work is much better, and much more intimate with their psych. And a second spent with my girlfriend, watching the sun set, is much more significant than any amount of time spent with a celebrity.

    6. Re:What is the story? by comp.sci · · Score: 1

      Well, I agree that it would sure be something unusual to meet someone, but I sure wouldnt go and post a slashdot article about it, saying it was such a great time.
      Its all about believing in what you say, and I do believe that stars are just the same as other people...

    7. Re:What is the story? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      As someone who has worked in tech support for about 5-6 years I can say any time something fun happens its worth writing down as a momentous occasion - maybe not the best in your life sure. For me it was helping Don Herbert (Mr. Wizard...) with a layout issue.

      Otherwise - yes - the job really is a soul wrenching experience.

  15. WTFC by AlterTick · · Score: 4, Insightful
    He hooked up the contraption and a few minutes later was playing videogames with Bono. "It was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me," says Mr. Kapellen.'"

    Seriously, what's people's thing with celebrities? What, exactly, lends a higher level of "cooleness" to playing a video game with a celebrity? Is there something about the way an over-the-hill rocker says "bastard!" when you steal the ball in NBA 2K6 that's significantly better than the way your friends do? Is there something about being in the presence of giant egos that makes the mundane feel exceptional? I end up working for a lot of film and TV people at work and frankly, if it wasn't for the fact that they pay well (and reliably), I wouldn't work for most of them. In fact, we won't work for Nicholas Cage again because he's an annoying nutcase. Maybe it's just my proximity to them that lets me see what bratty, childish gasbags most of them are. Do people in "flyover country" really go this ga-ga over these folks?

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    1. Re:WTFC by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fly over states?

      I'm from a "Flyover State", South Dakota, western South Dakota too, where the people from the populated parts of South Dakota flyover. It ain't us who go gaga over celebrities, its the people from the "cool" parts of the Country like the coasts who go gaga over the celebrities.

    2. Re:WTFC by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      One of the companies I worked at as a service technician used to regularly do work for local TV 'celebrities'. Some of them were fine to work for, but many of them had utterly inflated opinions of their importance and/or abilities.

      There as one particular radio 'star' whom we used to palm off on the apprentices because she was so annoying and overbearing to deal with. There was one 'leading man', whose powerbook kept coming back because he would delete stuff seemingly at random. The service recptioninst would swoon eveytime he came in, I would hide out back and hope no one would find me so I wouldn't have to fix his POS again.

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    3. Re:WTFC by AlterTick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Fly over states? I'm from a "Flyover State", South Dakota, western South Dakota too, where the people from the populated parts of South Dakota flyover. It ain't us who go gaga over celebrities, its the people from the "cool" parts of the Country like the coasts who go gaga over the celebrities.

      Now that I sit back and think about it, I think it's a combination of both. Most people like me who were born and raised in southern california, Los Angeles in particular, tend to not give a rat's ass about celebs because you see so damn many of them starting at an early age. At the same time, Los Angeles is teeming with star-struck people from "flyover country" who've come here to try to "work in the industry". One of my girlfriend's friends, who came from Iowa, still says "OMG, I saw (movie star) at the mall" after living here ten years (to which I usually remark "your Iowa is showing"). I'm certain most people in other parts of the country don't give a rat's ass either-- it's just that all the one's that do have come here!

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    4. Re:WTFC by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Actually I was thinking about that as I posted.

      So the folks from all over the lower-48 that give a rat's ass about celebrity move to Hell A or NYC. Then the coasts get filled with them over the years as they leave SoCal, but like the lifestyle, etc. So then California, NYC metro area, Portland, Seattle get some of them. While the rest of the country continues to go...Meh when they see someone famous. Hell I got starstruck when I was at a booksigning for a academic I'm a fan of, but seeing someone really famous is...hey...isn't that that one guy...

    5. Re:WTFC by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      There used to be a feature on a UK radio station called "don't you know who I am?" about people being hassled by long-faded z-rated celebs trying to use their celebrity power to muscle things like restaurant tables.

    6. Re:WTFC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm from a flyover state (Illinois), and I hate everyone who doesn't live in flyover country. So, I guess that includes most celebrities.

    7. Re:WTFC by dr_canak · · Score: 1

      "Is there something about being in the presence of giant egos that makes the mundane feel exceptional?"

      I don't know about "exceptional," but it does lend some validation. The example I use is, as a pretty serious sim racer myself (N2003), there are several professional nascar drivers that play/use N2003. Scott Pruitt used it after sustaining a head injury before getting back into a real car. Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Kevin Harvick, amongst others, are members of online racing leagues. I've seen documentaries of both showing them playing N2003 online, racing against other, non-professional drivers.

      I understand that it's pretty geeky racing online, but the sim racing community takes it real serious and it is the closest most of us will ever come to racing. With that said, explaining it as a hobby elicits the same blank stare from just about everyone , as if the hobby has no merit and a game is a game. They don't appreciate the nature/realism of the simulation, nor do the understand/appreciate the depth. But I can always fall back on the fact that real race car drivers play the sim as well, and somehow that adds some level of legitimacy to the hobby. Do I need that validation? No. But it's nice to have.

      I know the example is a little different that the Bono X-Box example, but for me I suspect it's not just about elevating oneself to the level of celebrity because you share the same interests, but recognizing that on many levels, celebrities do the things we like to do and deal with the same headaches we do.

      just my .02
      jeff

    8. Re:WTFC by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1

      I get the impression it's the same with Americans travelling to Europe. Europeans have this vision of Americans that we're all a bunch of whiny demanding assholes. Unfortunately, most of the Americans who are interested in visiting Europe probably fit that profile.

  16. Stars are easy by joel8x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to work at the studios for a major TV station in NYC and I'll tell you, the "talent" are easygoing and are easy to deal with. Its the over-eager assistants that will drive you insane. I believe that the people right under someone "important" (including people right under executives) make dealing with the "stars" a lot more headache-inducing than it needs to be.

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    1. Re:Stars are easy by daigu · · Score: 1

      If I had over-eager assistants taking care of my problems for me, I'd be pretty easy-going too.

    2. Re:Stars are easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As daigu mentions, they can afford to be easy going. They are "easy going" because the image they project is part of the business of selling themselves. They do, however, require that their assistants actually take care of their wants - and if the assistants don't do this, they will get the chewing out of their lives (in private of course, and protected by contract).

      The true measure is when they actually end up not getting what they want - then you'll see the true face of these people. Ego just doesn't begin to describe it.

      (Note: as with all generalisations, some celebrities are actually easy-going and appreciate their good fortune. But not many.)

    3. Re:Stars are easy by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason the talent is so easy-going is because they have so many hard-working underlings doing everything for them? And if one underling decided "I better take it easy" you can bet your ass that Mr. Cool Guy Laid-back star will be screaming "WHERE THE FUCK IS MY CAPPUCINNO YOU NOBODY?!?!?"

      These overzealous types are more or less forced to work this way to keep up the star's lazy lifestyle.

    4. Re:Stars are easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Hell yeah baby....

      I work in the film biz... Every time I've met a "star" they've been just like you or me. But when I have to deal with someones PA things go all to hell.

    5. Re:Stars are easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a relative that is moderaly wealthy (probably worth about 10-20m). I occassionally do tech support for his family and business and it is the easiest jobs I have ever done. Simply put, he understands that he does not know how to do that particular thing and therefore finds someone who does and pays him accordinly. If I say that something should not be done how he is thinking it should be done, he accepts that and moves on.

      If only everyone were like that...

    6. Re:Stars are easy by joel8x · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've first-hand delivered bad news to these people (outages out of my control, dead hard drives, requests that can't be met due to policies in place, etc, etc) and 95% of the time its the same situation. First you tell the assistant who immediately freaks out and makes you feel like you're a piece of shit. Then you tell the executive/VIP the same information (because an assistant can never properly convey any issue without self-serving FUD) and they are cool about it and figure out alternatives and move on with their day. That is why they are at the top, because they can formulate a plan B and don't let any problem cloud their focus, not because people cater to their needs.

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    7. Re:Stars are easy by AlterTick · · Score: 2, Informative
      Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason the talent is so easy-going is because they have so many hard-working underlings doing everything for them? And if one underling decided "I better take it easy" you can bet your ass that Mr. Cool Guy Laid-back star will be screaming "WHERE THE FUCK IS MY CAPPUCINNO YOU NOBODY?!?!?" These overzealous types are more or less forced to work this way to keep up the star's lazy lifestyle.

      I dunno, in my experience the toadies' attitudes tend to match the star's. Dustin Hoffman is a cool, chill guy who's not above saying "hi" to someone working on his house. His "people" are likewise relaxed, efficient, and never have to scream about anything. They know Mr Hoffman likes quality work and understand that quality isn't cheap. They pay invoices promptly.
      John Travolta, on the other hand, is a nutcase who hires shrill, swirly-eyed scientologists to work for him-- people who will run up to you while you're in the middle of working on something fairly involved at his house and shriek "you have to leave right now! He's coming home right now and he doesn't like workmen here when he's home!" They also tend to complain that you charge multiple service calls even they are the ones turning a simple one-day, one-trip job into a complex process of working for 1.5 hours at a time over 3 days, so JT and his wife don't have to "see people".

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    8. Re:Stars are easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woah, did a celebrity run over your dog or something?

    9. Re:Stars are easy by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you've got a book worth writing. Just don't forget to include something about what's in people's browser histories ;)

  17. Wow by AutopsyReport · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "It was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me," says Mr. Kapellen.

    It is pretty sad when one of the coolest things that has ever happened to you is working for someone else fixing a irrelevant video game system.

    When I worked at Apple tech support (for all of three weeks) many years ago, there was dozens of celebrity names in the database that had called in for help. It's just a name, folks. Why aren't we hearing about how Snoop Dogg calls the plumber, too?

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    1. Re:Wow by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Funny
      I can imagine it now.

      The pharmacist for the stars!

      The pharmacist says "yeah I've served Snoop Dogg before. One time, he asked me to get him some medication for the runs, I got a cream, and we just sat and talked while he applied it to himself. Then I applied it to myself. I didn't have the runs, but I wanted to get the most out of the experience. It was the coolest thing I've ever had happen to me."
    2. Re:Wow by themushroom · · Score: 1

      I gots shizzle all over my bathroom flizzle, yo, hep me Roto Rooter!

    3. Re:Wow by dexter+riley · · Score: 1

      You misspelled 'Roto Rootizzle'.

    4. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! Thank you, effendi, for that most humorous comment, I nearly soiled my undergarments!

    5. Re:Wow by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      "I gave him some special ointment and he hurt so bad that he had to apply it in the car with his sock"

            Brett

    6. Re:Wow by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Why aren't we hearing about how Snoop Dogg calls the plumber, too?

      Because this isn't crackdot

      [John]

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    7. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does snoop have big dumps?

  18. Hardly glamorous by slowbad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm on a venue where a different side of backstage is seen. For all their money, I end up seeing way too much barter.

    It would be one thing if these guys were trying to swap service-for-service. But, inevitably, they want tangible assets.

    By the time you've been offered 2 front-row tickets in exchange for product, you wish the wrath of the IRS on them.

    Too close to John Lovitz playing Picasso in the SNL sketches where restaurants get napkin scribbles instead of cash.

  19. Best Buy's Hardware Whores by saltydogdesign · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Caveat emptor, Bono. I wouldn't let those Geek Squad guys within five hundred yards of my computer: "Here's why it won't boot, dude, it needs a new ATI Radeon X1900 XTX 512MB graphics card. We sell 'em with only a 400% markup."

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    1. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by joel8x · · Score: 1

      Nah, the real solution they offer is they will just reformat & reinstall (the rookie cop-out), but will keep your computer for 2 weeks before they even do it and charge you out the ass to do something you could have done yourself for free.

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    2. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by Ravatar · · Score: 1

      I'm going to fathom a guess that you've never even purchased an on-site Geek Squad service. Where's the mod category "pointless and misinformed"?

    3. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by saltydogdesign · · Score: 1

      I only needed to see Best Buy fuck up video camera repairs twice to learn not to bring anything valuable to them.

      Never figured Slashdot would be a hotbed of Best Buy apologists.

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    4. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Best Buy offers tiered service. When you're just paying for basic service, you get a much different experience from when you're Bono. When you're Bono, they go the extra mile.

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    5. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      The one time a client of mine called in Geek Squad, they turned out to be wrong. Dude said the NIC card was bad. I doubted it mightily - too fucking convenient that it dies in the middle of a Linksys router install. Turned out reinstalling Windows XP solved the problem - typically Windows had hosed itself all on its own after (or perhaps the uninstall of McAfee's AV and firewall did it, most likely). Nothing wrong with the NIC card at all. My client was not happy with Geek Squad and only a little more happy with me that I didn't catch them screwing up earlier.

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    6. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by Ravatar · · Score: 1

      The in-store repairs are completely detached from the "on-site" services they provide. (IIRC, Best Buy sends their cameras and some other electronics off to some service center for repair)

    7. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by saltydogdesign · · Score: 1

      The Wehrmacht was "completely detached" from the SS. So what.

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    8. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a former Best Buy employee, yes, cameras, TVs, and other small electronics get sent off to a repair center if the vendor isn't willing to pay to swap it out for the customer.

      The biggest problem with the in-store Geek Squad crap is that they've mainly got sales droids that "studied real hard" to get that magic A+ cert (if they're even certified) working the counter. That scares the hell out of me.

      Now, as far as the usual answer of "format and reinstall", when you have an actual tech running the show, it's a matter of time and money. The customer can throw down a flat-fee and know it'll be fixed, or they can run up a bill repairing a corrupted Windows install. Management wants a certain amount of $$ per hour per employee, and if that means you can talk the customer into a format and reinstall that you can run while working on another PC, that's just boosting your stats. An independent shop will give you a better chance of getting the problem fixed without a format.

    9. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by BenDalton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From a former Geek Squad agent, I feel the urge to comment. If you have never made a mistake when diagnosing/fixing a computer, by all means please continue to criticize. If not, please think about the statistics... Best Buy is nearing (or has already surpassed) 1000 stores. Each store has from 5 to 15 Geek Squad agents. My Geek Squad Precinct dealt with about 20 computers per day and also dealt with an additional # of products that had to be sent and received to/from the BBY and manufacturer's service centers. If we just average that out, over 5,000 Geek Squad agents 'touch' somewhere around 20,000 computers a day. Our store had a re-do rate just around 2%... which, for us, was too high. Though we couldn't always succeed, we did our best to provide a top notch experience for our customers. This included NEVER pushing product and not even recommending products the customer didn't need. Yes, we recommended some things (e.g., oh, you have a virus and your antivirus expired in '99, please buy antivirus and keep this problem from happening again). Before you criticize, just realize that for every bad experience you hear about from the Geek Squad, there are 1000s of great experiences you don't. We had customers bake cookies for the agents they dealt with in my precinct. Yes, I am positive that there are some misguided Geek Squad agents pushing products that people don't need; I'm also sure that they are in the vast minority. For anyone who has had a bad experience, call 1888BestBuy and complain. That is why the customer care line exists.

    10. Re:Best Buy's Hardware Whores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I've always understood, the SS was more likely to kill and torture Germans that were minding their own business.

      So, to the Germans, there was an important difference.

      (Of course, not having lived in Germany during WWII, I could be mistaken.)

  20. Re:Is there a way... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Funny
    I suppose... they made it way too difficult to hook up apparently, if celebs aren't smart enough to match up damned colors. We all know celebs are the real brains of America (and elsewhere), so if it's too difficult for them, MS really need to rethink their TV-attaching methods. Then again, I think Bono does have something wrong with one of his eyes, so there's a semi-acceptable excuse.

    Oh, that's why we created HDMI... just one plug, only goes in one way. But you know someone's going to try and force it in backwards and then complain that it won't work.

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  21. Right... by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Geek Squad, which was sold to Best Buy in 2002, now has nearly 12,000 employees. Technicians like Mr. Kapellen are paid about $32,000 a year, the industry average for computer technicians, according to the Association of Support Professionals.

    "Let's face it, computer repairmen are at the bottom of the food chain," Mr. Stephens says, but these glamorous job opportunities "give hope to every geek out there."

    Right... Any geek with an ounce of brain would realize that the slim chance of "glamor" does not justify the low pay. Let's pretend that 100 celebs go to the Geek Squad. The chances of being one of those servicing a celeb is still less than 1%. And how much is the chance of playing the XBox with Bono worth? No thanks. I'll take a 6 figure salary and no chance of working for a celeb. It's kind of sad when the coolest thing to happen to Kapellen is playing XBox with Bono. Are geeks that desperate for recognition and popularity?!? Sorry Mr. Stephens "these glamorous job opportunities" does not give this geek any hope. Working for a cool tech company or doing cool research might.

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    1. Re:Right... by m00nun1t · · Score: 1

      You're assuming money is the only reason people work, or the primary motivator. Sure, it's a factor, but once you are earning $36,000/year in most cities you can get by. Over and above that, it's really up to what you want out of life. Who are you to suggest earning more money is more important than playing x-box with bono? If that's what this guy wants out of life, if it's what makes him happy, then more power to him! And if making 6 digits keeps you happy, then great, I'm happy that's what you are getting. Just don't assume everyone has the same life goals as you.

    2. Re:Right... by UserGoogol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fair enough. But at the same time, wanting to help Bono plug in his Xbox is a pretty weird life goal.

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    3. Re:Right... by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm 99% in agreement with you actually. I'm not saying making 6 digits is the end goal we all should shoot for. I too have learned that after a certain point, increasing amounts of money brings less and less happiness. What I was trying to get at is that Stephens seems to think that being able to meet a star would somehow make the lives of ALL the geeks complete, despite the relatively low salary and the low chances of that happening. He even say it himself. They're at the bottom of the food chain, and yet somehow being able to see a celeb would make it all worthwhile!? All geeks? No. Not even close.

      The 1% where I disagree with you is that I do think it's kind of sad that playing video games with Bono is the coolest thing in the world for someone, but that's just my opinion and one that I don't put too much weight on. In retrospect you're probably right. Why should I feel sad for someone who's himself happy?

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    4. Re:Right... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think one valid point is that if you are the geek a celebrity calls for help, and you play your cards right, it could lead to much more interesting and higher paying work.

      Hanging out with celebrities is potentially much more valuable than hanging out with the Mom-and=Pop store down the street that just needs their DSL modem rebooted.

      Why do you think Adnan Koshoggi always kept celebrities and babes hanging around? Because it made business people want to do business with him, that's why. He made hundreds of millions of dollars off that celebrity crap. He's no dummy.

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    5. Re:Right... by Kalie+Ma · · Score: 1

      I think one valid point is that if you are the geek a celebrity calls for help, and you play your cards right, it could lead to much more interesting and higher paying work.

      That's true, and nobody else gets the kind of nationwide volume that those guys get. Random service trips to the homes of John Q Public would be interesting, all of the consulting/support I ever did was through contacts and with business. Different world entirely out there!

      Working the help desk at a call center or IT in a corporate job doesn't get you the contacts that field work with the public can get. Of course, it doesn't need half the thick-skinned attitude either...

    6. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $36K? are you kidding!?!? i can (and have) lived well on $8,000 to $10,000 a year.

    7. Re:Right... by despisethesun · · Score: 1

      Of course, it doesn't need half the thick-skinned attitude either...

      Oh yes it does. I get the kind of language from people all the time that would get you a punch in the face if you used it in person. The phone offers security and anonymity to these people so they feel they can get away with it. Now days, if I get that kind of an attitude from the customer without me fucking up very badly, I just hang up on them. I don't get paid enough to find out how many variations of "fuck" someone can shout.

      And no, I'm not asking for it. I'm usually very polite and helpful until the situation takes that out of me. You'd be surprised how many people are looking for a fight as soon as they call. I guess they figure it'll get them better service or something. Nope! *click*

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  22. It's not just the assisstants to TV stars. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Indeed. It's not just television stars. It's the same with vice presidents and other high-level underlings in corporations.

    Often times CEOs are very intelligent, good-willed people who are easy enough to deal with. It's those under them who make it difficult. Sometimes the best thing to do with those type of people is to tell them flat out, "Fuck off. We have serious issues to deal with. We don't have time for your political shenanigans. They do not improve the efficiency of our firm."

    Nothing scares such management more than the idea that they're impeding the financial success of their firm, especially if they're fairly high up in management.

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  23. Rosco P. Coltrane, Slashdot celebrity. by CyricZ · · Score: 0

    Rosco P. Coltrane, you're quite a celebrity here at Slashdot. There are many here who admire you. I only wish there was a story you could tell us about how you used your celebrity to absolutely make the day (if not the entire year) of some young tech support technician.

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    1. Re:Rosco P. Coltrane, Slashdot celebrity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CyricZ, you are an appalling little troll. There are many here who despise you. I only wish you would stop posting, stop attacking people personally, and stop pretending to be in your sixties.

  24. Would have been much by Tweekster · · Score: 1

    ...cooler if it wasnt Bono... Had he asked me to stick around, i would have bailed. before I felt the urge to knock him unconcscious and wipe / shave that dirt on his chin

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    1. Re:Would have been much by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your bubble, an Irishman who has publicly told the IRA to go fuck themselves will not be trembling in his boots at the thought of a surly support geek. My guess is he would personally throttle you with the xbox cable and have security toss your body out of his plane.

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    2. Re:Would have been much by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      oooh he told the scary IRA to go fuck themselves....wow he is as brave as chuck norris.

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    3. Re:Would have been much by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't need a crystal ball to tell me you will die young.

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    4. Re:Would have been much by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the IRA is the ones that blow up women for being Catholic (or is it Protestant?). Baiting guys like these can have a serious effect on your life expectancy.

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  25. Geek Squad, not so cool since Best Buy bought them by Animats · · Score: 1
    Geek Squad used to be kind of cool, but then Best Buy bought them. As a standalone company, they had only a few locations, but now they're in every Best Buy store, with the consequent decline in quality.

    The whole point of Geek Squad was that you called them, they came over immediately, and they fixed your problem for a flat fee. A large flat fee. That's why they got celebrity clients. Not that many people are willing to pay $1000 or so to have their laptop fixed at 3AM. Now, as a unit of Best Buy, they mostly do home LAN installs.

    Today's article sounds like a Geek Squad puff piece from about five years ago.

  26. He's been taught that celebrity is great. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    He must have nothing better in his life than to fawn over celebrities like some sort of salivating moron.

    But can you really blame him? Take a look at his life growing up in America. There is a very good chance that he would have been bombarded by years upon years of pro-celebrity propaganda.

    Much like somebody in Middle Ages Europe would have been subservient to the Catholic Church, the vast majority of Americans have had Hollywood as the main influence in their life.

    He has been taught all along to get excited about celebrity. While those of us who put more emphasis on education and scholarship do not care about Hollywood and pop culture celebrity, he knows nothing else. Thus it is understandable that he'd get so excited about meeting Bono.

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    1. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      To be pedantic, Joshua Kapellen is Canadian, not American.

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    2. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by HardCase · · Score: 2, Funny

      To be pedantic, Joshua Kapellen is Canadian, not American.

      Don't you mean North North Dakota?

    3. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      To be pedantic, Joshua Kapellen is Canadian, not American.

      ...or to be accurate, Mr Kapellen is not Canadian:

      "Mr. Kapellen, 28 years old, put his life in Minneapolis on hold in 2004... "

      U2 is recording in Canada. Kapellen is from Minnesota.

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    4. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > But can you really blame him?

      No, but I can blame you for taking this story seriously and not seeing it for the Best Buy fluff piece that it is. Idjot.

    5. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by MntlChaos · · Score: 1

      to be a proper post-writer, close your b tag.

    6. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      to be a proper post-writer, close your b tag.

      No time for proofreading, must rebut immediately!

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    7. Re:He's been taught that celebrity is great. by Ethan+Allison · · Score: 1

      Kapellen is from [Minneapolis,] Minnesota

      Best Buy has its HQ in an office park in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area. Due to the fact that U2 was contracting through Best Buy, is it no coincidence that the guy they sent was from the same metro?

      Sometimes I love living here. ;)

  27. Misleading title? by mj_sklar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one who read the title to this article and though this would be about space and tech support? I was thoroughly dissapointed when it turned out to be just about Bono having to call someone to plug in an X-Box...

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    1. Re:Misleading title? by n54 · · Score: 1

      Same here except I read the blurb the next second, and even if it all made me think about the validity of "News for nerds" etc. it all passed as I realized the enormous potential for jokes & ridicule :)

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    2. Re:Misleading title? by lasindi · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who read the title to this article and though this would be about space and tech support?

      Nope, I thought exactly the same thing.

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  28. Getting paid for support the *stars* by MissionAccomplished · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've had the 'pleasure' of providing technical support to several high-profile personalities. In some cases, I dealt with an assistant and in others, with the actual 'star'. In both scenarios, I was promised payment by submitting an invoice to the appropriate person or agency. Good luck trying to collect on those invoices; while I billed at an hourly rate that I would any other client, it has been close to impossible to collect payment. I'm tempted to chalk it up to typical 'star' arrogance, but I'm just plain pissed that they feel they deserve free services simply because they are well known. If they asked for a favor, I would have done so, but in every case, I was promised payment. You just gotta wonder...

    1. Re:Getting paid for support the *stars* by sakusha · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with celebrities, you were obviously in the wrong business. I know lots of "consultants" who have difficulty collecting what is owed, they just don't have the guts to do it. I never had any trouble collecting my fees, even from Steven Spielberg.

    2. Re:Getting paid for support the *stars* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's commendable that you have been able to collect fees incurred while working for Mr. Spielberg; in what capacity did you do this work? Was it while he was away from his usual technical support? Do you have a contract with him? Since the parent mentioned that they provided technical support that they ARE in the right business. Have you provided support for Mr. Spielberg while he's in his office or did you do so while he was away on business? Never throw around names while on /.

    3. Re:Getting paid for support the *stars* by sakusha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      None of that is really relevant, but I'll answer anyway. It started with a tech support phone call, I tried to walk Spielberg through a fix, but it wasn't working out, so he asked me to come out to his home. I went out to his house and fixed his personal computer, his assistants had a check cut for me by the time I walked out the door (as I had prearranged). A couple of days later, I got another phone call from Spielberg, he was really happy with the work and he asked me if I'd sign a contract to be on call 24/7/365 as his personal consultant for an insultingly low amount of money. I declined.

      My point was, even people who have armies of people to shield themselves from mundane tasks (like writing checks) can be convinced to pay up if you know how to work with them. For some people, it is the hardest thing in the world, standing up for yourself and demanding payment, but if you want to succeed as a consultant, you have to do it.

    4. Re:Getting paid for support the *stars* by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

      Just threaten to sue. Stars hate lawsuits because the court documents usually end up on the "smoking gun" or "celebrity justice".

    5. Re:Getting paid for support the *stars* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sind Sie überrascht?

    6. Re:Getting paid for support the *stars* by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      It would depend on a few things, but I might take a small amount of money for a job from a well-connected guy, IF I thought it yielded some bigger benefits. You know that some people would just take it to be near a star, though.

      It's like car companies - they give cars to celebrities in the hope of a paparazzi snapping them getting out of it. A few photos can yield more publicity than the car costs.

  29. Re:Geek Squad, not so cool since Best Buy bought t by ShineyMcShine · · Score: 0, Redundant

    very true...

  30. A much more interesting subject would be... by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

    "Tech support for celestial bodies of plasma" (aka: the stars)

    1. Re:A much more interesting subject would be... by n54 · · Score: 1

      I guess the topic would be overclocking gone wrong? ;)

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  31. Paris Hilton effect by themushroom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wait, wasn't tech support (or someone posing as a tech claiming to support her) why we got to see even more embarassing pictures of her anorexic bod, plus got to learn Fred Durst's home phone number?

    I've worked for a major ISP before and now schlep for a cellular provider. Calls from government wigs and celebs (rather, their right-hand people) are nothing new... you get the wheat with the chaff.

    And yes, I do have a signed photo of Jack LaLanne because of my old tech support joint.

    1. Re:Paris Hilton effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      has this post been made before?

  32. Re:Is there a way... by Comatose51 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I will laugh so hard when one of these celebs have to call the Geek Squad because he/she gets locked out by the DRM on his/her own songs, movies, etc.

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  33. Yep. Rookie idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the "geek squad" were really geeks they would have decent jobs, instead of working for Best Buy!

  34. Big fish, Little Pond, Lots of mud.. by guildsolutions · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for the time I spent working tech support at a college, all I know is that some of the faculty teaching computers was more computer illiterate than a lot of the students. All the faculty knew how to do was teach from a book, nothing more.

    For example, one graphics arts teacher who taught photoshop thought that our server was just a group of files that we copied to each computer and assigned that group of files a drive letter.

    Another ( I am not joking ) Assumed that email was printed out and delivered to various faculty on campus by the recipients secretaries. (His, actually did that from time to time.)

    Then the Dean of Information Technology would tell one person to do something, turn around and tell another person to assist but what they told the person who was supposed to be assisting was two completely different things, and latter one of the two would get asked why they didn't do what was asked of them.

    With as much moolah as some of these stars rake in, I am seriously surprised that they dont retain their own tech support to go with them and live with them.

    Who needs technology when you have someone to do it for you.

    1. Re:Big fish, Little Pond, Lots of mud.. by winwar · · Score: 1

      The terms "total ego-maniac" and "tenured professor" are somewhat redundant. :)

      Very few faculty have low egos. The nature of the position tends to encourage people with a large ego.

    2. Re:Big fish, Little Pond, Lots of mud.. by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      All the faculty knew how to do was teach from a book

      Back in high school, I was in a comp sci class (years ago, we had Apple II's) where the assigned teacher had no real knowledge of computers or programmming. Her thing was math.

      Every day, she would read word-for-word from the textbook. And glare at anybody who dared to demonstrate knowledge of anything she hadn't "taught" yet. She would say (not making this up), "You can't do that. You don't know that yet." Some of us were always three or four chapters ahead of her. (A couple others struggled with comprehending 10 PRINT "HELLO" 20 GOTO 10.) Ctrl-G was her bane.

      Felt sorry for her. She was unprepared for the material, but she was the best the school could provide at that time. For the most part, the class was self-taught for the motivated, with the teacher being largely ignored.

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    3. Re:Big fish, Little Pond, Lots of mud.. by mrhartwig · · Score: 1

      Maybe small, private, colleges are different, but my experience was the opposite -- there were a few ego-maniacal tenured professors, but they were the exception. The majority of my professors were genuinely caring and compassionate.

    4. Re:Big fish, Little Pond, Lots of mud.. by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      The engineering profs at the university I went to were all relatively cool. The ones I experienced who had large egos tended to be in the history department lol

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    5. Re:Big fish, Little Pond, Lots of mud.. by QMO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (Having taught at a few colleges.)

      It seems to me that the professors that can do something else for a living, but choose to teach, are less snooty.
      There are fewer of those kind in disciplines where there aren't many non-academic jobs.

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  35. Ludacris's manager took CS classes? by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one that thinks that seems a bit strange? IT is really all you need for standard technical assistance. CS tends to deal more with the code and mathematics/science behind the code (not pretty), and unless he's writing special software for Ludacris, it would seem unnecessary. Although a CS person can do stuff like that (and IT can do basic programming a lot of the time), I would think he learned more then he needed to know. Oh well. Maybe it was just a general word, and he meant IT courses (I've seen very few if any courses that would help him with basic tech support in my uni's CS curriculum (fairly large)).

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    1. Re:Ludacris's manager took CS classes? by lasindi · · Score: 1

      CS tends to deal more with the code and mathematics/science behind the code (not pretty)

      What do you mean "not pretty?" That's really the only "pretty" thing about computers: the neat ideas behind them that make them tick. As you said, every computer scientist knows to do the mundane tasks of computers (how to run an anti-virus program, how to set up an email program, etc.) because it goes with what they do; but such plumbing jobs aren't pretty and they aren't why true geeks really like computers. Yes, tech support people don't need to learn CS or how to write software. That's why tech support people simply aren't that nerdy.

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    2. Re:Ludacris's manager took CS classes? by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

      I don't know how much experience you have in CS, but I'll elaborate on what I mean by not pretty. I like CS. I like programming. I like solving problems. The thing I refer to as not being pretty is a course I am taking called "CS Theory". It deals with graphs, proofs, and many other things I never thought I'd have to deal with in CS. It's interesting stuff, but a bit too far on my mathematics side for my taste (the prerequisites are two Discrete Math courses). Perhaps just the sour taste in my mouth from a book that has few examples though.

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    3. Re:Ludacris's manager took CS classes? by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      As you said, every computer scientist knows to do the mundane tasks of computers (how to run an anti-virus program, how to set up an email program, etc.)

      You obviously have never gone near tech support.

      I can't tell you how many times I've had to hear "Don't tell me 'blah', I have a Masters / PhD / Certified piece of paper that instantly makes me smarter and better than you!" from Computer Science folks that don't have a fucking clue, or who don't want to be 'bothered' to learn how to do something.

      Why don't we throw the modifier of "every *compotent* computer scientist knows how to do the mundane tasks" into your original statement.

      That's why tech support people simply aren't that nerdy.

      See, Now why do you have to go and be a cock like that? Support staff, from the lowest level of the help desk to the highest level of systems administration, have the same love of computers that that coders have. There are some that like the paycheck, and others that would do it for free if they could. Yeah, there are paper MCSE's that don't belong anywhere near a server room. But there are just as many Coders or CS prof's that don't belong in their field.

      There's no need to look down your nose at people just because you're in a different discipline.

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    4. Re:Ludacris's manager took CS classes? by lasindi · · Score: 1

      Why don't we throw the modifier of "every *compotent* computer scientist knows how to do the mundane tasks" into your original statement.

      Sure. I'm sure there are incompetent people in computer science, like any other field. Obviously I mean that people who know about the ideas behind computers are also familiar with "mundane tasks," not people who don't know anything.

      Support staff, from the lowest level of the help desk to the highest level of systems administration, have the same love of computers that that coders have.

      Let me clarify a little. By "tech support" I was referring to the types of people described in the article. These are people who know how to run anti-virus programs, connect you to the Internet, how to set up a LAN, etc., and they help their clients (these celebrities) with these tasks. If this is the extent of their "love of computers," I would hardly call them nerdy. The analog of computer nerd for cars would be the engineers that work for auto companies to design new vehicles. The analog of these tech support is the driver's ed instructor or perhaps a chauffeur. A chauffeur may have to become familiar with how to operate a car, but besides having to learn how to operate slightly different cars, he's not interested in gaining a lot of knowledge about cars. A driver's ed instructor may know how to drive, and he might have to learn new stuff if traffic laws change.

      What separates the chauffeur from the engineer? The engineer truly loves technology, wants to learn more about it whenever he can, and if possible apply new knowledge in designing new vehicles. The chauffeur drives because he has to earn a living, not because it's intellectually stimulating. That's not to say that a chauffeur might not be a nerd in his spare time, if for whatever reason he didn't get a "nerdy" job. He might be building cars and car parts in his garage, which would make him an exception. What I'm talking about is the chauffeur who does his job, goes home, and has nothing more to do with cars.

      The same applies to some guy who gets hired to connect Bono's XBox. If he's nerdy, he'll find plugging in a few color-coded cables rather uninteresting. He'd be more interested in how the circuits of the XBox operate, or perhaps in how games are written for the XBox, and if he could, he would try writing his own simple games for XBox.

      I know people who think that they are "computer geeks" because they can install Firefox, play video games, play D&D, and can run antivirus programs on their friends' computers, even though they never want to actually learn something about hardware or programming; such pseudo-nerds are usually satisfied just playing video-games. These people can do tech support quite well, and often they get tech support jobs. That doesn't make them incompetent tech support; it just doesn't make them nerds. Nerds don't just want to know how to install a hard drive or reinstall their operating system. They want to know how their hard drives and operating systems really work, and they'll probably be interested in trying their hands at building at least simple hardware or software. If tech support people also share this interest, but just don't do it for a living, then of course they're nerds. All I'm saying is that being on tech support doesn't automatically qualify you as being very geeky.

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  36. Tricked, i say! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I helped Steve Ballmer hook up his xbox, and all i got was this lousy chair!

    1. Re:Tricked, i say! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sind Sie überrascht??

    2. Re:Tricked, i say! by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Dude! That is the only unbroken chair to leave that office. Put it up on Ebay! Quick!

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  37. Nobody cares by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I think that the only people who give a rats rear about the "celeb" lifestyles are those that don't have a life in the first place. Look at all the idiotic cable tv shows, magazines etc... There must be a market for that crap, or they wouldn't be out there, but it is sad that people care more about the celebs than what is going on in REAL life.

  38. "I kicked Bono's ass at Warcraft III!" by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Funny
    "He kept building farms to feed the hungry, so my orcs just wiped him out!"

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  39. That's pretty far... by Ninjy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tech Support to the Stars
    Damn, and I thought outsourcing to India was bad enough!

  40. Now If I Could Only Do This For The Corrs! by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Andrea just learned to do email a few months ago. She admitted it during an interview, whereupon sister Caroline told her, "Don't tell people that!"

    I could have been the one to teach her! Unfortunately, the only result would have been that she would have been able to email her much younger boyfriend, Shaun Evans, more easily.

    Plus, they seriously need to comprehend the possibilities of digital downloads, since their manager, John Huges, is an old music war horse who apparently thinks all downloads are piracy. Given their lack of penetration in the US market, they need help understanding the Net.

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  41. I've been there. by sakusha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to work at a big BIG computer store right next to all the LA studios, back in the late 1980s, we were known as "the Computer Store to the Stars." But that was mostly because we had a good reputation for treating the stars like regular people (there is a fine line between being polite and being obsequious). Plus we were discreet, we kept everything strictly confidential, no matter how outrageous (like for example when I attempted to recover data from a famous scriptwriter's floppy disk that had a hole burned through it from a piece of crack that flew out of the pipe's bowl).
    But, you have to draw the line sometimes. Anyone below the level of Producer was almost guaranteed to be a nice, normal person that you could work with easily, but above that, egos are totally out of hand, and I wouldn't hesitate to tell them to get out of my face. I call this problem "Producer Syndrome." Producers that have the power to order people to set up $2 million in equipment in a corner of a building, and who lose tens of thousands of dollars per minute for production delays, tend to lose perspective.

    1. Re:I've been there. by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      I've noticed lots of assistant people lately. Assistant directors, assistant-assistant directors, 2nd assistant directors, 3rd assisstant directors. WTF is that? Pseudo resume-padding in exchange for actual pay? It must look good on a resume if the work actually involved "got coffee for stars". Apparently, this can be quite complicated though.

    2. Re:I've been there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, so they really are on crack when they write these crappy movies...

  42. Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
    Why would these guys want to continue work for 32k USD per annum? They don't need a CS degree to become developers earning a lot more than that. All it takes is a bit of education at a technical college, some social networking, a willingness to learn and humility to start at the bottom.

    Contrary to what the Slashdot group think profess, it is not necessary to earn a CS degree in order to achieve developer status. I'm living proof of someone that worked my way up the ladder without any degrees whatsoever.

    Don't get me wrong, a degree can provide you with useful skills but it cannot give you the thirst to learn or the drive to succeed and it is no substitute for inherent talent.

    Have you ever wondered why there are people with college degrees flipping burgers or waiting tables? They are there because they lacked the drive to succeed and the humility to start in a junior position.

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    1. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by Tadrith · · Score: 1

      I second this.

      I'm currently a developer who is doing quite well, without a degree. I've never had a problem getting a job based on my work experience or technical knowledge alone. I've found that adaptability and a willingness to learn goes a very long way in making you important to a company.

      I started out working on PCs in a local shop, and did a lot of learning on my own. You can work your way up, and I think the experience of doing so is invaluable. Now I sort of "ride the line" in that I develop a large amount (90%) of my time, but also double as a network engineer if a situation arises that they need more people. Learning to work on hardware as well as write software has proven beneficial.

    2. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      I believe that working in technical support made me a better developer. When you work in tech support, you tend to see all the mistakes other developers make and how it affects end users. I won't say that I don't make some of the same mistakes but I think I'm more open to hearing end user concerns and considering non-functional requirements such as performance and ease of deployment when determining scope for a release.

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    3. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      Why would these guys want to continue work for 32k USD per annum? They don't need a CS degree to become developers earning a lot more than that.

      Who says they want to, or are even capable of, becoming "developers"? These guys are like auto mechanics (or even tow truck drives). It doesn't naturally follow that a mechanic should aspire to be an automotive engineer. Why should a tech monkey aspire to developer status?

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    4. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Why should a tech monkey aspire to developer status?

      Because you've got to have goals.

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    5. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      Why should a tech monkey aspire to developer status?

      Because you've got to have goals.

      Yeah, I'm with ya there, but I meant it more in the spirit of "why should a tech monkey necessarily aspire to be a developer?" Most lower-rung IT tech guys are probably better suited to become sales managers or the like. Sure, there are aspiring coders/developers stuck amongst the ranks of the professional USB driver installer crowd, but it does not logically follow that ALL such workers are.

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    6. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by Krientle · · Score: 1

      You don't go to college for Computer Science to learn programming, development, or tech support. You go to college for Computer Science to A) get a job in India, B) learn how to think and reason, and apply math and computer science to solve real world problems.

      I wish people would distinguish between computer scientists and programmers, granted most CS majors will become programmers, there is a distinction, the primary distinction being the advanced math and science training. A lot of real-world problems involve hefty math (Calculus and beyond), if you don't know it, it's hard to write software that uses it (think Mathematica, Maple, Power Grid Control, etc.).

      If you want to write simple business apps, I'm sure there are PLENTY of jobs for you. But if you want to do interesting development and computer science work, well, you're probably going to be flipping burgers and doing it on your own time, at least with the way things seem to be going (at least in the US).

      ~ Krientle

    7. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Don't get me wrong, a degree can provide you with useful skills but it cannot give you the thirst to learn or the drive to succeed and it is no substitute for inherent talent.

      Yeah, a degree cannot give you the thirst to learn, but judging by the apathetic state of a number of cow-orkers, it sure can take the thirst away.

    8. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
      You don't go to college for Computer Science to learn programming, development, or tech support. You go to college for Computer Science to A) get a job in India, B) learn how to think and reason, and apply math and computer science to solve real world problems.

      Learning how to think and reason is supposed to be part of the development stages of every human being. If you cannot do that long before your college years, a four year degree program will not provide you with those skills. Given that CS is a relatively recent development in human history, I fail to see how you can argue this as people have been able to think and reason with or without universities for many millennia.

      You do not need a degree in math or computer science to solve real world problems. In fact, I've found that CS graduate often have a difficult time coming up with realistic solutions to real world problems.

      If you want to write simple business apps, I'm sure there are PLENTY of jobs for you.

      You would be surprised how difficult it can be to write user-friendly "simple" business apps if you lack common sense and social skills. Neither of those are taught by professors in CS degree courses.

      But if you want to do interesting development and computer science work, well, you're probably going to be flipping burgers and doing it on your own time, at least with the way things seem to be going (at least in the US).

      So which burger joint to do work at? Are you one of those guys with a masters degree I was talking about earlier? Here is a free hint for you, work on your attitude, find some influential friends and maybe you will be able land a job as a junior programmer.

      You arrogantly assume that people without a degree are incapable of writing anything but so called "simple business apps". I worked on an engineering program in tandem with an engineer to develop a so called "expert system". When writing expert systems, you usually would want to pair an expert in the field you are developing for with a developer with sufficient knowledge to translate the expert's knowledge into code.

      Your lack of humility is your greatest weakness and your obvious prejudice is your second greatest one.

      PS. I would assume that developers of Mathematica, Maple, Power Grid Control do not work in isolation and regularly consult actual experts in those fields rather than relying on a jack of all trades CS graduate to develop it.

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    9. Re:Why don't these guys broaden their horizons? by Krientle · · Score: 1

      Where did I say anywhere in my post that people without a college degree could not solve problems? Some people like a bit of extra education, which is what college/university is supposed to provide. It's supposed to supplement logic and reasoning skills (maybe I should have added supplement). Relax, I'm not saying you suck. I'm not prejudice against non-college grads. I'm currently finishing up a bachelors degree, and I'm considering working on masters degree. The focus at my university is much more engineering oriented, which is why I said it might be useful to have some CS background in theory as well as a solid engineering foundation. And the burger joint I work at is an on-campus development team working on speech complications that can occur due to strokes. I reiterate, I don't think you suck. I don't think you would care what I think of you anyhow. I just want people to not think of computer scientists as just code monkeys, and start thinking of them as scientists and/or developers and/or code monkeys. ~ Krientle

  43. Amazing stuff! by 3.14159265 · · Score: 0

    (...)
    "It was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me,"


    This is one of the coolest things I've ever read!
    Definitely "News for nerds, stuff that matters" material. Thanks!

    1. Re:Amazing stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, just shut your hole, pi.

  44. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "For the stars" is always just another phrase for "What is the most expensive/luxurious method/device", that seems really like what people are interested in, the fact that it involves stars is probably arbitrary. After all, people are so fickle about who gets to be in the limelight that it really is 15 minutes of fame, and if it isn't, you're probably washed up.

  45. Re:Hey by dhakbar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Totally.

    I don't understand why they do that, either.

  46. Nothing too complicated by whoda · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously they have never had a REAL technology problem or the Geek Squad guy would be in way over his head.

    1. Re:Nothing too complicated by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually bands have a tremendous amount of high-tech crap they drag around with them in their semis. But that stuff is set up by techs who work with it daily and know every bit by heart. And probably none of it is comprehensible to the average PC tech support guy.

      I once read an article about all the electronic crap the Corrs drag around. It sounded like they had a dozen different systems: sound, lighting, mixing, computers, all sorts of stuff. They probably needed a semi to carry it.

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  47. Camels, goats, Prince & CyricZ by n54 · · Score: 2, Funny

    First you don't want to provide the camel and now you want to get his goat!? *shock*

    My oh my life must be hard in Prince World (formerly known as lala-land) :)

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  48. Not suprising by u2boy_nl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm not suprised Bono needs tech support to get his Xbox to work...

    After all, he doesn't even even know how a U2 ipod works.

    ;)

    1. Re:Not suprising by jpardey · · Score: 1

      I'm suprised that The Edge couldn't help. I mean, he sure is good at plugging in delay pedals, one would think an xbox would be comparativly easy.

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  49. What about the roadies? by jcr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In my day, any roadie worth his minimum wage could handle any equipment the band brought with them...

    -jcr

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    1. Re:What about the roadies? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      I doubt that's true now. I read an article about all the stuff the Corrs drag around. You'd have to know a dozen different highly customized digital sound and lighting systems to keep up. Obviously the roadies get to know the gear since they use it a hundred times a year, but somebody new coming in from the outside would have a long learning curve.

      And then there's the problem of making it work in a hundred different venues with different acoustics, electrical systems, architecture. Must be a nightmare.

      I noticed at the Corrs show at the Warfield here in San Francisco back in August, 2004, that between their opening act and their appearance, their techs went over every single thing on the stage with their measuring instruments - checked out every mike, every speaker, every musical instrument - even Sharon's violin. Very professional operation.

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    2. Re:What about the roadies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things have changed man! Even guitars need electricity now!

  50. Used tech support? by Macdude · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Prince, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris, Bon Jovi, and U2 all have used technical support when on the road

    Used tech support? With all their money you'd think they could afford new tech support.

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  51. Contracting... by IANAAC · · Score: 1
    With as much moolah as some of these stars rake in, I am seriously surprised that they dont retain their own tech support to go with them and live with them.

    Maybe you missed this blurb in the article:

    when Best Buy Co.'s Geek Squad of computer repair people asked him to accompany the Irish band and provide tech support to the 120 people traveling with the "Vertigo" world tour. He has been on the road in North America and Europe ever since.

    That they contracted with Best Buy instead of hiring directly pretty much sums up business these days. Doesn't lessen the fact that they had full time tech support with them throughout the tour.

  52. Re:Is there a way... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Funny

    That just happened, IIRC. I think it was Spielberg over in Europe for one of the film festivals. The movie review samples they were distributing failed to work on the reviewers' machines because of the DRM. They had to order a whole new batch without the DRM.

    Many bands are pissed off that their fans can't play their music on their iPods or whatever. A couple of them have stood up to their labels and said, "No DRM on our stuff!"

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  53. Geek Squad by DirtyBalls · · Score: 1

    I work for Geek Squad. It's not that bad, really great part time job while I study Computer Science. Helping people who don't have time to learn all the details of technology can be rewarding, knowing you can actually teach or show a person something that will benefit or at least entertain them.

    The rest of the time, you have paying customers who would gladly part with their money for you to just "make it work".

    Celebrity or not, Bono is just like any other Best Buy / Geek Squad customer.

  54. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by Schrambo · · Score: 1

    Today is actually today is my 364th day of Tech support for the third Largest ISP in Australia, To date i've had some big named people call me including a news presenter / sports commentator, band members, minister of states and so on just to name. They've all been great people to help and is often a delight to speak too and are happy for assistance. Only one guy tried to use his poltical status to bypass the need for password verification.

  55. Having worked at Geek Squad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technically not "Geek Squad", but at a company named The Answer Group - they handle BBY's phone support (ie, their warranties) and Geek Squad phone centers)... anyway, having been there, I can say that we did have celebrities call us up, they have a special entry in the database system that makes their personal info private and pretty much requires special attention. The only thing I can say to the company's credit is that celebrities had to pay - we had Shaq call once, and he was an utter ASSHOLE because he couldn't believe that he had to pay to have someone come out to do some service for him. He ended up bitching and whining and not having anyone go out.

    Geek Squad is a neat idea, and I can say that with regards to the original members (of which some of the phone support guys had badge numbers with very low numbers indicating they'd been there quite some time) they are very passionate about what they do and treating people right. Josh was also the guy in charge of Geek Squad's web forum where the agents would post questions and comment about some of their more... odd jobs, most of which were hilarious. CLosed to the public though, and not sure if top brass officially knew of its existence.

  56. Privacy implications? by Stoutlimb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I had just "made it" as a star, or more likely as some rich guy in the public eye, I would be very angry if my tech support guy told a newspaper about his experience. Especially if it made me look dumb. Doesn't his company have a privacy policy? I'm pretty sure the privacy policy (if it existed) was violated for the purpose of writing a "fluff" news story. If I were a manager, there is NO WAY I would let an employee talk about all the famous people they have served without prior permission to do so. Just imagine the consequences if that was permitted.

    Personally I think the article was made up. That's because I'm generally a cynical bastard, and it's also a fact that sometimes there are slow news days.

    1. Re:Privacy implications? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1
      Just imagine the consequences if that was permitted.

      Err -- what? That the public knows you're not able (or don't have the time) to hook up your own XBox? Big whoop.

    2. Re:Privacy implications? by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

      Of course, no celebrity is over-sensitive about how they appear to the news. I would care, but only out of principle that my privacy must be respected.

  57. I did one celeb's house by bogie · · Score: 1

    I used to work for a company in Santa Monica and did work for one of the stars of the NBC show ER. It was a bit surreal but the star and her husband were very cool. Her publicist was a bit annoying though, I don't think he ever was off the phone the few times I was there. Too bad last time I went there something went really wrong and I had to take the PC back to the shop to fix it. Ooops, dam HP all-in-ones. Before I left LA I did always used to think how cool it would be to get linked into the celeb network and be a "tech to the stars".

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  58. 'Local' personalities are a pain by Centurix · · Score: 1

    I used to sell the odd PC to people through word of mouth when I was working south of Sydney and a few times had brushes with local celebrities (well known tv anchorman, news reporter, singer). And they were a pain in the ass to deal with because they thought they were the business. Two of them attempted to not pay the invoice (I actually got the line "do you know who I am??"), but paid well into 120 days after my persistance. The singer used to go out in public wearing big dark sunglasses and covered almost every part of herself with clothing to try and cover up her identity. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a balaclava in her purse for when she does the weekly groceries.

    On the other hand, I used to live on the same road as Eric Bana in Melbourne. Top bloke. Never did computer work for him, but you could tell he'd pay his invoices on time.

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  59. Brush with an older rocker by yack0 · · Score: 1

    I was working a wireless project at a venue and the talent wanted wireless in the dressing room. Dressing rooms weren't in the spec. We added it temporarily as we were still doing installs.

    I ended up on stage during the sound check helping the keyboard tech get access to the net over our wireless network so he could do his email and stuff. I also ended up at the apron of the stage for the duration of the show and had an all access pass for the evening.

    Thing is, I still don't know whether he spells it MeatLoaf or Meat Loaf.

    Still, it was an awesome show and I had a great time.

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    1. Re:Brush with an older rocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meat Loaf

  60. Been There, Done That by CoachS · · Score: 1

    When I was consulting in Los Angeles about a decade ago I did computer work for Alex Trebeck and Shirley Maclaine (among others). I never met Ms. Maclaine but her business assistants (who I dealt with) seemed nice enough.

    I worked with Trebeck a bunch of times and found him to be a very nice, very bright (didn't know much about computers but was a fast learner) and just fine to deal with.

    Celebrities are just people -- some of them a bit eccentric I suppose -- and I don't really get what all the hub-bub is about. If I didn't know Trebeck was a big game-show host he'd have just seemed like a nice guy with an impressive collection of sweaters. (and a ton of money)

    -Coach-

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  61. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go, daddy, go!

  62. Johnson High Impeachers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Polk High sucks!

  63. Geek Squad... by custompccases · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They could have found better tech support. Although the geek squad has just enough knowledge to hook up a a/v cable to a xbox so I guess it works out.

    "Hello Geek Squad? This is Brittney Spears, I need to hire someone to turn my TV on and off."

  64. "knowing" computers by DuctTape · · Score: 1
    IT is really all you need for standard technical assistance. CS tends to deal more with the code and mathematics/science behind the code (not pretty)

    I've had to explain it to my boss many a time that just because you "know computers" doesn't mean that you can fix a totally-screwed-over Windows Server 2000 box, code up a wave analysis routine in C++, modify a Linux kernel, call a TWAIN routine using JNI in a Java applet, upgrade a printer driver on an XP box, spec out and order up a rack-mount dual-Xeon server with dual RAID-5s, draw up a requirements spec., manage an outsourced EJB3 project, yell at the Fanatical(tm) Rackspace tech support, and fix their kid's Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 game.

    Wait, I have done that... never mind.

    DT

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  65. almost did this for a living by ruebarb · · Score: 1

    when I was moving up in the world, I had a chance to get in with this company on the ground floor in '98 or 99 - being a Minnesota based company and all...

    their old geek squad mobiles were 50's and 60's classic cars, and then they started using VW beetles - new ones.

    They told me the story about helping the Rolling Stones with something and then those guys pretty much tagged along the rest of the tour.

    Glad to see someone made it big - I went the networking route - no playing video games with rock stars...damn. -

    RB

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  66. A day of mis(l/r)eading articles... by johnty · · Score: 1

    First they start tracking where cracked software go, now they're training sys admin's to be astronauts...

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  67. The pot calls the kettle black by g4c · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, yeah... listen to you...

    "I work with celebrities--but I don't like it. No, sirree. I don't like working with celebrities... Like Nicholas Cage. I don't like working with Nick. He's kind of clingy and he keeps asking for my autograph. Did I mention I work with celebrities?"

    1. Re:The pot calls the kettle black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shania hates mayo all right, and she can't eat chicken salad, thats no joke. We gave it to her once, she threw up in the limo - the lady hates chicken salad. So I bring out a bunch of tuna fish sandwiches - she still doesn't believe me - I say, Shania, I'm allergic to mayo - which, by the way, is a lie. Shania still doesn't believe me so I eat two of the sandwiches in front of her to prove it. So she eats one and a half sandwiches, one and a half sandwiches... before she realizes, its chicken salad.

    2. Re:The pot calls the kettle black by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      In his defense, Nicholas Cage really *is* a flakey nutball. There are worse, though. Try working with a "Friends" castmember sometime if you want to meet a REAL out-of-control egomaniac.

      -Eric

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    3. Re:The pot calls the kettle black by AlterTick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, yeah... listen to you... "I work with celebrities--but I don't like it. No, sirree. I don't like working with celebrities... Like Nicholas Cage. I don't like working with Nick. He's kind of clingy and he keeps asking for my autograph. Did I mention I work with celebrities?"

      See, trying to convince people that celebrities are largely just irritating gasbags not worth wanting to know is a catch-22. Anyone relating personal experience is accused of name dropping, and anyone who doesn't mention specific names is accused of not knowing anyone worth naming.

      Seriously. They're gasbags. I don't give a fuck what a bunch of slashdot morons think of me-- not even me, but my /. nick!-- so why the fuck would I drop names for you people? (this comment is primarily directed at the moron who rated the preceding comment "insightful" rather than "funny")

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    4. Re:The pot calls the kettle black by rk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I bid you a warm welcome to Slashdot. This is the place where when you mention credentials or experiences you are arguing from authority or showing off, but if you don't mention them people ask "And what the fuck do you know?

      "

      There do seem to be a lot of this particular stripe of asshat here, doesn't there?

    5. Re:The pot calls the kettle black by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, the way their careers are going it won't be long before no-one will have to worry about working with a "Friends" cast member again. ;)

    6. Re:The pot calls the kettle black by g4c · · Score: 1

      Just to let everyone who is taking my comment so seriously knows, what I wrote was an attempt at humor, which dictionary.com defines as: "That which is intended to induce laughter or amusement." No offense intended. :)

  68. Question.... by stygar · · Score: 1

    Bono preseumes to lecture world leaders about how the world's economic problems should be handled, yet he's incapable of plugging an XBox into a television set?!? You could literally train a chimp to do this in less than five minutes...

  69. My definition of cool is: by dartarrow · · Score: 1

    fixing an Ipod for Steve Jobs.
    fixing an Xbox for Steve Balmer

    and ultimately:
    giving a bikini wax to Monica Belucci.
    I swear I'd give mySelf a bikini wax with the same equipment right after.

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  70. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say it is Bob Parsons (http://www.bobparsons.com/) of godaddy.com

  71. Re:Is there a way... by damsa · · Score: 1

    It was region coding, which isn't really DRM at least the way I understand it.

  72. DING! We have a Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  73. Has the market for tech dipped? by bluethundr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work as a techie in NYC. Since the late nineties the starting salaries in NY were $55k a year! My last job lasted 5 years and I ended up making $65 a year.

    "Technicians like Mr. Kapellen are paid about $32,000 a year, the industry average for computer technicians, according to the Association of Support Professionals.

    Could this be a regional issue? Or is $55 the norm for computer lackeys in the Big Apple because soda in 20oz bottles go for $1.50 a pop and generally that's an analogue to how expensive everyithing else is making the same work provide the same quality of life (virtually speaking) in NYC as it does for the Geek Squads in Demoins Iowa? Or are the Geek Squads just generally extremely underpaid.

    I'm on the job hunt now and have had some balk at $65, but just recently dropped my price by $10gs just get hired. At the $55 level, people don't even blink. The only reason my my compensation rose so high was because I'd mastered an arcane level of Ghost on the Enterprise level which streamlined efficiency to a high degree. But try explaining that to a shop that has never used Ghost and they just go..."Uh huh".

    But what puzzles me is that $55k seemed the norm in 1998???!!! So, how can it STILL be the norm starting price, in addition to all the experience I've gotten since then be priced at that level? That doesn't even keep up with inflation!

    And added to that, wouldn't anyone feel underpaid for this stressful job at merely $32 a year? I understand there are different costs of living around the country but this seems like a dramatic difference!

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    1. Re:Has the market for tech dipped? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      there are places up north where the cost of living is very low and you have no problems finding a job at 65k a year.
      in south FL, the cost of living is outrageously high and salaries are an average of 30k to start.
      I just interviewed with a company that offered me 20k to be a field tech.
      south FL is probably the worst offender of all in cost of living vs. salary for techs.

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  74. What did you expect from Prince.. by Matarick · · Score: 1

    since he invites a brother of a popular comedian and his friends to play basketball with Prince's band while they are wearing the same clothes from the club not to mention he served the guests pancakes the morning after.

  75. AC/DC by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

    The sound man for AC/DC rode his bike five miles to the store where I work to get a zip drive, but got the wrong kind. He called back and gave us two tickets and back stage passes to bring him the correct drive.

  76. How far along we've come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still remember a time when rock stars had groupies for when their Sidekick needed "servicing".

  77. Freecell stats by toadlife · · Score: 1

    I did side work a long time ago for the head of our HR Department. I set up a new PC he had bought for his home. I transfered all of his apps/settings/docs over from his old win95 box to his new box (which ran WinME). This included all of his quickbooks records, and a plethora of other very important business applications related to a business he owned on the side. That was great, but the thing that made his day was when I transfered his Freecell stats over. He had 13,000+ games on record.

    IIRC, it was just a single registry key.

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    1. Re:Freecell stats by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      IIRC, it was just a single registry key.

      It use to be a plain text file, but now I can't find it, even in the registry. Where is it now (i.e. on XP)?

    2. Re:Freecell stats by toadlife · · Score: 1

      HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Applets\FreeCell

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  78. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    could probably literally kill you and tape the event and never go to jail for it.

    Are you a cowardly person by nature? If working for wealthy, powerful people makes you nervous to the extent that you think they might kill you if you make a mistake, you might want to check in to your local psychiatrist.

  79. beeing a geek by xmodem_and_rommon · · Score: 1

    being a geek....is underrated...

    being a geek on the "squad" is overrated. have you ever seen the "geek squad pc repair cd" that you buy in best buy? The paths on the disc are broken. You guys call yourself geeks? Stop it, you're giving us all a bad name.

  80. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell are you talking about? The guy is using a really really common literary technique which is generally used to give perspective. For example 'the kinetic energy in a grapefruit falling from orbit would be enough to create a crater the size of Arizona' is intended to draw the reader's attention to the awesome power of gravity rather that imply that the author has an unhealthy fear of falling citrus. The key point here is the use of the word 'could' which indicates a theoretical ability rather than 'would' which would have indicated intent.

    If you really did not understand that I would suggest a course in basic english comprehension, if you did understand it but chose to ignore it in favour of making a childish personal attack on the OP then you may need to get someone to look at your own mental health.

  81. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah common... its just a customer... just a number in the ticket tracker... unless he pays more theres no reason to be "stressed". The fact that some people got much money cause:

    1. they got it from their parents
    2. they are overpaid
    3. they have good marketing (riaa and similar bullshit)

    doesent make em high priority customers... one xbox... one computer... low priority... unless of course he pays me my lost nerves in platinum ;)

  82. ObSimpsonsMisquote by tbone1 · · Score: 1
    Rock stars. Is there any tech they can't break?

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  83. Yes! eBay by bobamu · · Score: 1

    Wonder if the auction would look like this

  84. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by QMO · · Score: 1

    Go daddy, go, go!
    Go daddy, go, go!
    Daddy, Be good!

    OR

    Be good, be good, be good,
    Be good, be good, be good,
    Be good, be good, be good,
    Be good, Daaaaddy.





    Sorry

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  85. At least he didn't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  86. Re:Geek Squad, not so cool since Best Buy bought t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i used to work out of Future Shops head office, which was also purchased by Best Buy. i occassionally supported the in-store techs, which are fairly low caliber - at least the ones i spoke too. One guy who had been a tech for a year had his own pc go BSOD and called head office, he had never seen a Blue Screen before, had no idea what it was. IMHO if you have not seen a BSOD before, you need to step away from my PC.

  87. That's great if you're into the rough stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, if only he could sing, or could at least pick good music and hire someone else to sing it for him.

    Just goes to show that money and fame can't fix everything.

  88. Had B celeb as customer. Not quite so bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The two most vivid memories of the time when I was selling and fixing PC stuff would have to be a (at the time) well known German talk show host being one of my customers (only bought stuff like software, never fixed his PC) and a not-at-all famous vet for whom I once had to crawl under a table with a dead, half-rotten dog once to install some BNC/COAX cabling.

    So, can't claim that celebrities are bad customers in comparision ;)

    Oh, and then there was one of the presenter girls from VIVA (once a German competitor to MTV) in my drivers license class.

    In restrospective, none of them was nearly as famous as Bono, but I have to say it was surprising how normal and down to earth those were. Plus, I am surprised I ever got my driving license coz my eyes were NOT on the chalkboard most of the time *grin*

  89. not even close by QMO · · Score: 1

    No one is as brave as Chuck Norris.

    http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

    You have much to learn.

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  90. Re:Big Names=Scary Problems! by Mantaman · · Score: 1

    At the end of the day if you treat the mail room guy the same as the CEO eg all the same there shouldnt be any problem Also remember that YOUR the admin and the are the Lusers :)

  91. Re:Geek Squad, not so cool since Best Buy bought t by QMO · · Score: 1

    So, what have you got against Linux users?

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  92. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  93. HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have personally witnessed the (permanent) HEAD of a Computer Science department at a large state-run University (~30k students) do the following:

    1. Repeatedly: Type his full first name, middle initial, and full last name as his Win2k domain username, *without* a password... He seemed to have no concept of usernames & passwords and expected the computer to just recongize his full name. (I thought maybe he was more of a unix person, but this doesn't seem very likely)

    2. Be completely inept at using Powerpoint... He had extreme difficulty in opening a presentation and flipping through the slides... Now I realize the HoD may not be a wiz at creating presentations in Powerpoint, but he should at least know how to give them.

    3. Need help in turning a laptop on... (And that was after he located the power switch)

    Oh, and did I mention that for some strange reason, this "flagship" university does not have an accredited CS department??

  94. But, but, but... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1

    Prince is the guy who said "in this life, you're on your own"! You mean he doesn't actually believe that?

  95. How you can be a tech support to the stars? by aimia · · Score: 1

    Lets face it, there are only four ways you are going to get that call.

    1. You already know the star, or someone who knows the star.
    2. You work for Geek Squad or some other large tech support chain.
    3. You happen to be at the right place at the right time.
    4. You hack the star's equipment and insert your name under their before-never-noticed tech-support entry in their address book.

    Lets rexamine number 2. Stars travel a lot. So how do they find you when they happen to be in your area? You need to be able to list yourself somewhere as being in that area AND be able to make a "star quality" ad that intriques them. The only way I know of to do that is to list yourself for free in Page's Computer Services Directory.

    Disclaimer: I do work for Page Computers, but I hope the posting was funny and on topic.

  96. Bono? I can imagine how that went... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1

    Kapellen: Play a game with you? Yeah! That'd be awesome!
      30 seconds later...

    Bono: So, (boop beep boop) have you considered the problems in Ghana?

    Kapellen: Well, err...no. Not really. (boop beep)

    Bono: Well, you should. (beep beep) Do you know how high their interest rates are on (boop) Monetary Fund loans are? (beep)

    Kapellen: Um, yeah. (boopity boop) That sucks for sure.

    Bono: And the starving children, (beep) with flies on their lips and distending stomachs (boop boop) are crying out in pain while the bloody worms are boring holes in their eye-sockets just so they can get an outside view of the world. (beepity boop)

    Kapellen: Well, I...

    Bono: And even the worms are starving (boink beep) because there isn't enough meat on a starving child's large intestine to make a dent in their hunger.

    Kapellen: Ugh. I think I'm getting sick...

    Bono: You're getting sick!? Have you ever had to experience (beepity boink) a bad case of Ebola? Have you? (beep boop boink)

    Kapellen: Ummmm...

    Bono: Have you ever (beep) had to smell the bloody stool and vomit of a child whose parents were hacked to death with machetes by roving bands of warlords? Have you?!?

    Kapellen: *baaaarf* Oohhhh...

    Bono: Yes! Yes! Just like that. (boink beep boink)

    Et cetera...

  97. where's the dee-oooh-double-gee tech support ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What, there's no fool on the 420 tip here who wants to keep Snoop Dogg's tech runnin' sweeeet ?!?

    Man, you guys really *are* a bunch of geeks... that's a freakin' *dream* job, right there, fo' shizzle!

  98. Suuuuuuuure they do .... by beer_maker · · Score: 1
    As you said, every computer scientist knows to do the mundane tasks of computers ...
    I'm throwing the BS flag on this one - I do tech support at a Large Left-coast National Laboratory, home to many fine scientists in a wide variety of disciplines, including a large number of computer scientists. They all (each & every one) know more than I do regarding clustering, coding, circuit design, etc. What they don't know is the mundane tasks, because they only do them once if ever.

    Let me ask - when did you last tweak your network settings? Replace your DNS server? Patch a web server? Install a new printer and/or driver? Upgrade your anti-virus server? Find a way to run a one-off application written 25 years ago on new hardware? Roll out 20 new systems in 5 days? Dig through vendor documentation of a commercial product to find out WHY it won't work the way the cusomer thinks it should, and find an acceptable replacement?

    You were right about one thing, tech support is not CS. CS is a "deep" subject and tech support is "shallow" by comparison - but it's a damn sight "wider" than you think. You get to develop solutions to problems, while we support folks just have to find them ... and we have a lot more problems to solve.

    If your definition of geekiness is esoteric knowledge about system internals, I'll call your bet and raise you $50 - I build systems every day at work & at home, I keep current on trends & threats in hardware AND software, and I actively test new applications & OS's. What makes your CS degree (attained ~n years in the past) such a great signifier of geek prowess?

    ... true geeks really like computers. Yes, tech support people don't need to learn CS or how to write software. That's why tech support people simply aren't that nerdy.
    How does the Earthlink commercial go - "nerds & geeks know about computers, but geeks get things done"? I am definitely a geek. You?

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    1. Re:Suuuuuuuure they do .... by lasindi · · Score: 1

      Let me ask - when did you last tweak your network settings? Replace your DNS server? Patch a web server? Install a new printer and/or driver? Upgrade your anti-virus server? Find a way to run a one-off application written 25 years ago on new hardware? Roll out 20 new systems in 5 days? Dig through vendor documentation of a commercial product to find out WHY it won't work the way the cusomer thinks it should, and find an acceptable replacement?

      By "tech support" I was referring to tech support within the context of this article: plugging in an XBox, setting up a LAN, configuring a dial-up connection to the Internet. This is what I meant by "mundane tasks." I've done a few things on your list (tweak network settings, web server patching, and install printers/drivers), but obviously I didn't mean all or even most tech support jobs are mundane. I was talking about doing things for people that most "power users" think of as trivial jobs, like connecting to a LAN.

      CS is a "deep" subject and tech support is "shallow" by comparison - but it's a damn sight "wider" than you think. You get to develop solutions to problems, while we support folks just have to find them ... and we have a lot more problems to solve.

      I completely agree with you. Although CS is more, as you say, "deep," I'm by no means saying that tech support is a brainless job; you've got to know a heck of a lot, and you've got to know it well. What I would say is pretty "shallow" by any comparison (and I think you would agree with me) is knowing how to connect an XBox or dialup to the Internet. *That* is what I meant is "simply not that nerdy."

      If your definition of geekiness is esoteric knowledge about system internals, I'll call your bet and raise you $50 - I build systems every day at work & at home, I keep current on trends & threats in hardware AND software, and I actively test new applications & OS's. What makes your CS degree (attained ~n years in the past) such a great signifier of geek prowess?

      Degrees don't really carry that much weight in my mind; I'm much more impressed by what geeks do than what a diploma says they can do. In that respect, I'll bet we're on exactly the same footing. My definition of geekiness isn't "esoteric knowledge about system internals;" it's basically learning about and innovating with computers not because you have to (for a living), but because it's fun. I love tinkering with new hardware and software too; in fact I stayed up all last night with FreeBSD, which I don't know much about at the moment, but I want to change that. I have similar late night sessions with programming, just because it's so much fun. That's what I consider geeky, and I'm sure you enjoy such activities too.

      How does the Earthlink commercial go - "nerds & geeks know about computers, but geeks get things done"? I am definitely a geek. You?

      By that standard, I'd say I'm a geek too, and I'm sure you are too. What I'm merely saying is that geeks (or nerds, take your pick) do things because they are fun and interesting (at least most of the time), not because they are necessary. That doesn't mean geeks are lazy and don't do anything they don't like; I'm just saying that what makes a geek a geek is what he does in his spare time, not what he does for work (unless he genuinely loves his job).

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  99. Oh Bono by dave420 · · Score: 1
    Sorry, but I have to go on record on this one: Bono sucks ass.

    I just had to say something. Again, sorry.

  100. Um... by Kancept · · Score: 1

    I do this for a living. They are just like any other people, and we treat them that way. I'd say most of my client list are celebrities or gov't officials but we respect their privacy and don't go touting about how we fix such and such's computers, or hang out with them. It's just unprofessional. No wonder all he can get is a job working for the Geek Squad. "Client confidentiality" just isn't in their vocabulary.

    1. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked with Josh at the Geek Squad for a couple of years, before Best Buy picked up their business. He's good. Very good, and very professional. Likely someone higher up in the company asked him to do this interview, because he's not the type to call up reporters and say "Guess who I just worked for!"

      All GOOD IT people know what discretion is, and how to keep client information confidential unless there's a very good reason not to. The Squad today may have many irresponsible people on the payroll, but they also have many who uphold the highest standards of the industry. Just as, presumably, you and your company do. Flame the company, or not, as you like. But don't flame the man unless you know him.

        - Brian L.
      (Formerly) Agent 45

    2. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations on all your work done for *various (anonymous) celebs & political officals.* I see your professional ethics also includes defaming other companies. Nice... very professional...

  101. Heh... by aliensporebomb · · Score: 1

    I worked for a technology company in the early 1990s that
    had celebrity clients as customers.

    You would definetely recognize two high profile clients.

    One was a high profile television show that lasted in
    excess of ten years. The other was a legendary musician.

    Oddly enough, I had no stories about tirades or anything.

    The TV show guys needed us to help them achieve their ends
    in many cases and were fairly easy to work with.

    The legendary musician was actually cooler to deal with
    than most of our customers.

    It was a fun gig while it lasted.