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Dot-com Boom's Biggest Duds, From Flooz to iSmell

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "WSJ.com looks back on some of the boom's biggest busts, and catches up with once-optimistic inventors. A creator of the unfortunately named iSmell, a USB device meant to 'print' smells transmitted by websites or videogames, says, 'It was a heartbreaking experience, because we had put so much into it.' The digital currency known as Flooz crashed and burned when a ring of thieves defrauded the company out of $300,000 using stolen credit cards. Microsoft flushed iLoo down the crapper. CueCat, meanwhile, got a second life as a bar-code reader that doesn't pick up personal information. 'The cat got butchered, but it has spawned a cottage industry,' says the device's inventor."

258 comments

  1. CueCat by jeeperscats · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so how many people had like 45 of those things?

    1. Re:CueCat by evanism · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      like, you know, like is not like puncuation, you know.

      Oh my god. Duh.

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    2. Re:CueCat by isd_glory · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I originally had maybe half a dozen cuecats which were daisy-chained together and used to illuminate my desk at night. I never really went out of my way to get them, and I accumulated those few from magazines or friends who didn't know what to do with them. Several months after Digital:Convergance went out of business and stores stopped pushing the cuecats on consumers, I decided on a whim to ask a radio shack manger if he still had one or two. It turns out that there was an entire box of them in the back he was just itching to get rid of.

      So, the obvious result of this was that I had a small christmas tree that year decorated with cuecats (it needed quite a bit of external power, and all the cords seemed to hide a lot of the tree anyway).
      Oh, the college days...

    3. Re:CueCat by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I must have missed something. What's a cuecat? Link?

    4. Re:CueCat by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Damn, if only someone, say some sort of online newspaper, could write an article about what the cuecat was, and the rise and fall of the company behind it. That would be really useful. It would be great if the poster would have taken the time and linked to the article, but heh, that is slashdot for ya. Bastards!

    5. Re:CueCat by Pope · · Score: 1

      45?! Where did you get them all? I picked up one a year or so ago at a surplus electronics store for $8 or so. Finally tracked down the proper instructions for "de-clawing" the USB model, and have been happily importing all my CDs and DVDs into Delicious Library. Of course, in Canada, I don't know if the company ever did the Radio Shack promotion thing.

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    6. Re:CueCat by Parham · · Score: 1
    7. Re:CueCat by Sepper · · Score: 1
      Of course, in Canada, I don't know if the company ever did the Radio Shack promotion thing.
      Nope, cuz I never heard of the CueCat... Of course, it's probably because they didn't want to be bothered to translate the damn thing in french...
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    8. Re:CueCat by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 1

      Hey that's nice, but TFA link takes me to the WSJ home page. I'm not registering for that crap.

    9. Re:CueCat by krewemaynard · · Score: 1
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  2. annoying link by Bairdsy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is there a way to get to the actual article without the extremely annoying shenanigans they insist on putting me through?

    1. Re:annoying link by Nemosoft+Unv. · · Score: 1

      Is there a way to get to the actual article without the extremely annoying shenanigans they insist on putting me through?

      Enable cookies for wsj.com. When disabled, I couldn't get through the Flash intro at all.

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    2. Re:annoying link by Mr.+Maestro · · Score: 1

      From Super Troopers:
      Captain O'Hagan: I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says, " Shenanigans."
      Mac: Hey Farva what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
      Farva: You mean Shenanigans?
      Mac: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
      Thorny: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
      [as they hand the Captain their pistols]

    3. Re:annoying link by 00null00 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, a full-screen flash ad, a pop-under ad and an exit pop-up? And the link doesn't even go to the article? How much is the submitter getting paid?

  3. iSmell? by X1088LoD · · Score: 4, Funny

    iSmell? I thought that was the smelloscope, able to smell anything from far away in the galaxy....come to think of it, i dont think it will be invented for another 1000 years, give or take a few (thanks professor farnsworth!)

    1. Re:iSmell? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      iSmell? I thought that was the smelloscope, able to smell anything from far away in the galaxy....come to think of it, i dont think it will be invented for another 1000 years, give or take a few (thanks professor farnsworth!)

      The smelloscope Prof Farnsworth displayed in Futurama presumably was receiving those smells millions of years after their creation. After all, scopes have that light speed limit (although the rest of the show doesn't). I don't know, smelling things long dead just seems creepy.

    2. Re:iSmell? by Emmettfish · · Score: 1
      I don't know, smelling things long dead just seems creepy.

      Creepier than observing them with your eyes, which you can do by looking up on a dark starry night?

      Emmett

    3. Re:iSmell? by torpor · · Score: 1

      no, creepy would be the way the smell changes when you apply the finglonger ..

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    4. Re:iSmell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a problem. Scientists increased the speed of light so spaceships could travel faster.

    5. Re:iSmell? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw the device at GDC (guess they missed that appearance, but then, I've never been to CES so I guess it's all a wash) but didn't attend the demo. It was pretty spiffy looking though. It had a palette of about fifteen chemicals (IIRC) and some kind of odor neutralizer it would blow between smells to clear them out.

      I told 'em that my favorite smell of all was the rain on hot asphalt and it ended up on their webpage under their "Favorite Smell" poll. My fifteen seconds :P

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  4. Boo.com by Snap+E+Tom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How can they forget Boo.com? The way that management team burned money epitomized the dotcom era. It wasn't surprising at all that their site was an obnoxious, pretentious, bloated piece of junk. The good thing about the bust was that it shook out and humbled all these artsy "we know what's best for the user" types that ran Boo.com.

    1. Re:Boo.com by matthew.thompson · · Score: 1

      I remember boo.com - I knew one of it's technical guys. I thought it was a dumb idea then and I still do.

      However if you visit http://www.boo.com/ you'll see that the boo is apparently back. But not, as it's just a placeholder for a new service which seems to be extremely slow in arriving.

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    2. Re:Boo.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem that the business model has something to do with using oversized gifs where jpgs should be. I don't really get it myself, but who's to know what's going to rake in the VC cash in these heady pre-Dot Bomb 2.0 days.

    3. Re:Boo.com by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative
      Here is the wiki on boo-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo.com

      Perfect example of why the dot bomb era sucked.Several hundred k website in '99? Every time one of those brain dead flash heavy sites tried to choke my dial up I couldn't hit the close fast enough.I just wish todays website designers would learn from the past and stop trying to make everything flashy.Simple and functional is elegant.

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    4. Re:Boo.com by AttilaB · · Score: 1, Funny

      Boo? Who?

    5. Re:Boo.com by F_Scentura · · Score: 1

      "Every time one of those brain dead flash heavy sites tried to choke my dial up I couldn't hit the close fast enough"

      Every time I view one on DSL, let alone a series of T1s, I also close the tab :)

    6. Re:Boo.com by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      We'll today you get the same flash intensive sites, but now we see a new breed of fluff - web 2.0. The dotcom losers are back, pumping the "new paradigm" complete with removal of decoupled design and replaced with heavy client code.

      I use AJAX in our applications we build but it's not "redefining the way we live", it's simply another tool in the box. I really am scared of these dotcom-esque people flooding the market again with "new ways to do business" that are really just the same brain dead ideas with new chrome bumpers. Some are genuinely nice, but it's the investors I fear. After the dotcom crash I ended up taking a 25k pay cut and working as a tester. It really hurt a lot of decent people.

    7. Re:Boo.com by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      I bought Boo Hoo, the book one of the founders wrote on their failure.

      I have to say that it was great reading, despite the outcome.

      D

    8. Re:Boo.com by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Perfect example of why the dot bomb era sucked.Several hundred k website in '99?

      To be fair, it loaded nice and quickly in Boo.com's offices in a designer TriBeCa loft. They should have just invited potential shoppers to come in and look at the site from there.

      Not getting hired for the Desktop Support position I interviewed for there in 1999 was a blessing in disguise...

  5. Nostalgia, Anyone? by Shubalubdub · · Score: 5, Funny

    I miss the days when new product announcements read like jokes and saying "the Internet will make bricks and mortar obsolete" wasn't a joke. Now the best we've got is "Oh look, Google made a calendar that works with your email."

    1. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Well I still laugh at Google 'product' announcements. Announce something everyones been doing for years but because Google did it, lets pretend that its brand new and made of gold.

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    2. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i believe you're talking about Apple

    3. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know. I find that the only thing I actually buy from B&M stores nowadays are perishables, things I must have immediately and things that really need to be examined (or tried on) in person. Amazon.com has cheaper prices on just about everything else. If it's not something I need *that day*, why would I want to haul my ass down to Best Buy or Walmart or Costco just for the privilege waiting in line and then paying MORE?

      And hell, if you're too cheap for Amazon (and are willing to take a small risk), there's always eBay.

      Letstalk.com makes B&M cell phone retailers a fucking JOKE--they literally offer dozens upon dozens of phones for hundreds less than the B&M stores--and that's before rebate. After rebate, you can get nearly anything free--RAZR, PEBL, Samsung SGH-t809, at least one of their Blackberry models... you can even get up to 5 of them free, if you're starting a family line (we recently did this and it kicks ass. Saved many hundreds of dollars, and for myself I picked up an N-Gage QD for -$50 after rebate. Don't insult it until you try it; Nokia fixed most of the design flaws with the QD revision. Basically, I'm being PAID $50 to use a very powerful, very underrated Symbian S60 smartphone. Kickass.) Just for grins we walked into a B&M retail store and asked the reps if they could give us a similar deal. They simply laughed in our faces and shook their heads.

      My girlfriend and I (cue the 'liar' jokes) would've been fucking broke a long time ago if we couldn't buy our porn and sex toys online. The markup at B&M sex shops is nothing short of heart-stopping.

      I'm not even going to get into fatwallet.com... let's just say that I wind up getting at least 2 or 3 INCREDIBLE deals per month. (Think over 50% off on stuff that is NEVER heavily discounted at B&M stores. Over 75% off is not uncommon. Over 90% off the typical B&M price isn't out of the question.)

      The simple fact of the matter is shipping costs are nothing compared to the overhead of rent (or construction + property tax), utilities, cashiers and sales reps and customer service reps (who can't be outsourced, unlike online stores' reps), uniforms for the reps, general upkeep and maintenance, etc. We're beyond having to prove this--just walk into *any* B&M store and see how long it takes you to find something that you can't get cheaper off of Amazon or Buy.com or Outpost.com or eBay. With gas prices the way they are, I do indeed think that the internet will eventually spell the doom of the vast majority of B&M businesses. B&M currently has a lot of momentum, though, and I think it will be at least another decade or two before we see any real decline.

      Making B&M obsolete isn't a joke; it's just not going to happen that quickly. Google's calendar has nothing to do with the internet retail scene. eBay is thriving, Amazon is well in the black, Buy.com is running commercials now, fatwallet.com's forums are overflowing with deal-hunters, and I seriously can't remember the last time I bought something at a B&M store that cost more than $20.

    4. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The simple fact of the matter is shipping costs are nothing compared to the overhead of rent (or construction + property tax), utilities, cashiers and sales reps and customer service reps (who can't be outsourced, unlike online stores' reps), uniforms for the reps, general upkeep and maintenance, etc.
      Here in the real world, online companies have to pay rent (or construction + property tax) and utilities - they don't operate out of the back of a pickup truck. (And those premises require upkeep and maintenance too.)

      They don't have to pay cashiers - but they do have to pay pickers and packers. (In fact their costs are *higher*, because they have to pay for support as well as pickers and packers - where a B&M store can (and does) pay use it's cashier for all three.) Their costs for packing materials are higher too - but they pass that right on to you.

      One of the great myths that emerged out of the dot bomb era is that somehow online stores have 'no overhead' as compared to B&M store.

      How Amazon et al win out over the B&M stores is volume from a single facility and from placing that facility where they can pay the least taxes and wages. (The last being a luxury that B&M stores don't have.) They can also automate and thus reduce labor costs. Generally, they handle the product less than a B&M store which also reduces labor costs even sans automation.

    5. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not even going to get into fatwallet.com...

      It's too bad fatwallet is full of bastards who would sell their mother out for a quarter.

      Use some other, less-evil sites instead:

      http://www.dealmein.net/
      http://www.slickdeals.net/
      http://www.techbargains.com/
      http://www.bensbargains.net/

    6. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0

      No, he definitely wrote Google.

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    7. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here in the real world, online companies have to pay rent (or construction + property tax) and utilities - they don't operate out of the back of a pickup truck. (And those premises require upkeep and maintenance too.) They might pay 1/10 the rent of a B&M business, because they don't care if they're in the crappy part of town.

      more expensive once you invite in the general public. Customers are spoiled. They must be *impressed* or at the very least satiated. On the They don't have to pay cashiers - but they do have to pay pickers and packers. (In fact their costs are *higher*, because they have to pay for support as well as pickers and packers - where a B&M store can (and does) pay use it's cashier for all three.)

      Doubtful. A cashier must have a decent appearance, be able to interact with customers in a halfway friendly manner, be trusted enough around lots of cash (or at least closely monitored around lots of cash), be trained to operate the register, etc.

      On the other hand, the picker/packer must be able to 1. Read the screen and 2. Pack the items and slap a shipping label on the box. Any socially-inept slob with 5 minutes of training can be a packer. Cashiers have stricter requirements, require more training, and require more micromanagement and supervision (e.g. stealing.) Support is largely automated, and the non-automated portions can be outsourced (or at the very least provided by telecommuting employees from across the country.) Support people don't even need good people skills--they just read from a script or punch out the pregenerated reply emails.

      The fact that online businesses employ more people to do the job of one B&M person doesn't change the fact that those people are probably 10x more efficient and since they don't have direct contact with cash OR the public, they're a hell of a lot easier to hire and cheaper to manage. You also neglect to take into account the types of employees that .com stores usually lack--e.g. sales or security (yes, there will be *some* security at the .com warehouse, but the lack of public access and lack of employees' direct access to cash makes this much easier--and therefore cheaper.)

      Nothing has *no* overhead, but you're fooling yourself if you think that a lack of a commercial-district building open to the public isn't saving the .coms a TON of money. Commericially-zoned property is much more expensive. This means magnified rents or magnified purchase costs and property taxes. Much more money will have to be spend on interior design. The utilities bill will generally be much higher. Insurance will be MUCH higher. You must have cashiers and customer service and security around *at all times*, even when there aren't any customers. Sales people, if you have any, will steal your profit in the form of a commission (or if they're commission-less, they're either have a rather high hourly wage or they'll be very apathetic and ineffective about doing their job.) You have to pay for shopping carts and the land for the parking lot and cameras to watch over the parking lot (at least if you're a major chain) and people to WATCH the cameras that look over the parking lot. You have to hire guys to paint your building nice and pretty (.com warehouse has no problem looking rusted and shitty.) You hire guys to come in and replace your lights when they blow, service your cash registers when they go on the fritz, mop the floors when they get dirty. Yes, to an extent this is all done at the warehouse as well, but they expend maybe 1/100 of the effort as the retail store. They don't care if the floor is dirty as hell, so long as they aren't violating any OSHA regs. They don't care if they have bare incandescent bulbs hanging 5' above everyone's heads (vs. those huge flourescent bulbs hanging 20' or 30' above your head at Wal-Mart. I bet they're just *slightly* more expensive to change.) If the air conditioner in the warehouse breaks down,

    8. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      wow. Beginning of that post got completely b0rked. Oh well, it's nearly 6am. Sleep > correcting typos.

    9. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in the real world, online companies have to pay rent (or construction + property tax) and utilities - they don't operate out of the back of a pickup truck. (And those premises require upkeep and maintenance too.)

      They don't have to pay cashiers - but they do have to pay pickers and packers. (In fact their costs are *higher*, because they have to pay for support as well as pickers and packers - where a B&M store can (and does) pay use it's cashier for all three.) Their costs for packing materials are higher too - but they pass that right on to you.


      You're leaving a few things out of the equation. First and foremost, warehouse space is much, much cheaper to lease than a retail location, and an online "megastore" needs but one or a few large processing facilities as opposed to dozens of very expensive stores in every city across the country. Don't tell me that doesn't offset the cost of shipping. Also, a traditional B&M store is more than a few cashiers-- there are managers, assistant managers, customer service agents, stockers, salespeople on the floor, security guards and janitors on the payroll too. Again, multiply this by hundreds if not thousands for a mega-chain like Best Buy, and the cost of pickers, packers and shipping materials doesn't seem so bad. (Hell, boxes and bubble wrap doesn't cost THAT much more than the shopping bags and register receipts dished out at every B&M sale.)

      But the real revolution in internet commerce hasn't been on the megastore scale, it's the "mom and pop site"-- small businesses that serve a particular niche and that can be scaled according to need (both in storage space and employees required.) In 1990 the possibility of opening a "boutique" store in anything but a major city like New York or San Francisco was pretty much over, thanks to Wal-Mart and the other megastores crushing traditional Main Street. Now it's possible to come from nowhere with an online store dedicated to a very specific product or service and not only succeed, but go toe to toe with the established giants and beat them at their own game. THAT is the true success story of the internet.

    10. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      While it is true that there are much cheaper prices online, I have been finding recently that high street shops (UK) are catching up. I have bought several things recently for the same price or cheaper as online in a local department store, with a two year guarantee.

    11. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by porkmusket · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend and I (cue the 'liar' jokes) would've been fucking broke a long time ago if we couldn't buy our porn and sex toys online. The markup at B&M sex shops is nothing short of heart-stopping. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the S&M price gouging needs to stop

    12. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by Reapman · · Score: 1

      The only thing that stops me from giving up the B&M is the fact it's freaking annoying to get deliveries... being in an apartment building, they may either leave it at the front office (best), make me go to the postoffice down the street (myeh), or drive half way across the freakin city to an industrial zone to pick it up (UPS can go to he11), which is doubly difficult since I DONT OWN A CAR. Once they make shipments easy to deal with (or I move to a house and get a car) I'll be runnin the few blocks it is to the nearest store.

    13. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by Alioth · · Score: 1

      On the subject of porn - I wonder how much home-made porn has increased with the advent of digital cameras and camcorders, and not having to face the embarrasment of sending film off to be developed?

    14. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by nolife · · Score: 1

      Here in the real world, online companies have to pay rent (or construction + property tax) and utilities - they don't operate out of the back of a pickup truck. (And those premises require upkeep and maintenance too.)

      I agree but the overhead of not running a store with customer foot traffic is much lower then just having employees and stock on hand. I have bought stuff from Butterflyphoto.com in the past. In real life, they are nothing but a run down looking warehouse located off the beaten path in downtown NYC. Thier "store" is much cheaper to maintain then putting multiple retail outlets in a mid sized strip malls.

      Consider the crossover B&M/Internet shops like Bestbuy and Wal-Mart as well. They do not run the internet or the mail order part of thier businesses from the existing retail square footage, it would be too expensive because the light industrial or commercial zoned areas are much cheaper to maintain.

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    15. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      They might pay 1/10 the rent of a B&M business, because they don't care if they're in the crappy part of town.

      The people that work in the offices might care. If you expect people to commute to Cracksburg every morning because physical location doesn't matter in online business, you're probably not going to attract the highest caliber of employee.

      (One solution to the problem is to let online employees work from their homes, avoiding the cost of renting office space altogether. And a rack of servers doesn't care if it's located in Nicedale or Cracksburg, so long as the backbone is nearby and there's enough security to keep hobos from making wee-wee on them.)

    16. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by drew · · Score: 1

      Even assuming you are right on all of your points (I don't necessarily agree with them, but I will give you the benifit of the doubt), brick and mortar stores will not go away for a long time, for a few reasons.

      First of all, there are some people who just won't shop online until it is foreign to them. I would be rather surprised if my mother ever buys anything online in her lifetime. My wife told me about how one of her co-workers went to every electronics store in town trying to find an iPod for her daughter for christmas. When one of her other co-workers commented that she just bought hers online, the first co-worker was surprised- "They sell them online?". Much of this is generational of course, and as a new generation grows up buying things online, this factor will disappear, but it will take a long time.

      Then there is the fact that some things just do not make sense to buy online. I would probably not ever buy shoes, clothes, ski boots, or anything of that sort online. Sure, many online retailers will guarantee free replacement if something doesn't fit right, but how often is it worth the hassle? Some things you just like to see and try out in a store before you buy them.

      Finally, money isn't always everything. This is the same concept that people have finally started to catch onto in the whole outsourcing debate. Some people only care about getting what they want the absolute cheapest way possible. Others believe that on some level you get what you pay for. For you, getting the absolute cheapest price possible on everything you buy may be your highest priority. Other people may prefer to pay slightly higher prices to go to a real store, because it means talking to knowledgeable sales people (ok, not likely, but theoretically possible) returning items or otherwise getting service without having to wait on hold for a half hour to talk to somebody in a call center half way around the world, and being able to browse through items in a way that's not really possible online. Despite the cheaper prices, I've bought about 3 times as many books from my local Borders over the last 2 years than from Amazon. Why? When I go to Amazon, I have one thing in mind that I want, I order it and I'm done. When I go to Borders, I may or may not have anything in particular in mind, but in walking through the store, I find books that look interesting, flip through them, and sometimes buy them. These are usually books that I would never have even found, much less bought, online.

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    17. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I find that the only thing I actually buy from B&M stores nowadays are perishables, things I must have immediately and things that really need to be examined (or tried on) in person.

      Considering that the things people buy the most of are food and clothes, I think B&M shops are going to be around for a long time.

      The things you're talking about, phones etc, are things you buy now and again. I doubt that internet shopping even makes up 1% of purchases worldwide.

    18. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      So just for the sake of us Yanks, what exactly is a high street"? Two people have brought it up now.

    19. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      It's the name for the main commercial street in a UK town (Wikipedia article).

    20. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the real estate costs are still less. Best Buy needs distribution centers, warehouses, and office space, as well as stores. Amazon doesn't need stores. And forget the warehouses if you have a JIT supply chain. Also, warehouses don't have to look pretty, and neither do the people who work there. The only way retail can survive is if retail becomes enough of an experience (see Apple Store, Gap, Abercrombie, etc.) that you want to go there just to go there. Again, this is an improvement (of sorts).

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    21. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      it's freaking annoying to get deliveries.

      My work allows personal deliveries. So I have everything shipped to work. Works great for me. I know other people that have deliveries go to friends or such. Maybe there's something you can work out. Or, for not that much, a PO box or box at a private shipping center. Or, if it's easier, just shop at the B&M...

    22. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Sometimes people don't want easy and comfortable. A well-designed and enjoyable retail experience is enjoyable to many people. Yes, most of them are female, but the Apple Store has taken this same approach successfully. But the retail experience is more real and more physical than any online experience can be.

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    23. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      ...which is why many people (including me) will often go to the store to examine the item in person, then order it online and save 10%-50%.

    24. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Mortar, maybe. Bricks, never!

    25. Re:Nostalgia, Anyone? by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of stores (the Apple Store, for instance) don't even mind that. If you go to the Apple Store, check out an iPod, and then go home and buy it over the internet, Apple has still sold an iPod. Retail just becomes a very elaborate, in-person form of advertisement.

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  6. Also by Flame0001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was also a company started during the dotcom boom which delivered candy right to your front door (The name eludes me). Only problem was that consumers were using it to buy single bars of candy, and the shipping costed to much for the company to stay alive. A good idea though. Reminds me of when I could order groceries online, but that was cancelled due to the lack of popularity. I suppose America isn't ready to take the final step to pure laziness.

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    1. Re:Also by Silicon+Jedi · · Score: 1

      Actually, Peapod still sells groceries online, and for the convenience it's not bad...

    2. Re:Also by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Reminds me of when I could order groceries online, but that was cancelled due to the lack of popularity."

      At least here in Southern California, you still can. Albertson's still will deliver groceries. But the "Amazons of the Grocery Business" (like WebVan) are long gone.

    3. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gone? Here in the UK, we have a few apparently thriving services. Tesco, ocado (waitrose) and at least one more.

      Of course, we only have one timezone and it's hard to find somewhere where you can shout without someone hearing you, so I suppose it's easier.

    4. Re:Also by SecureTheNet · · Score: 1

      Here in Minneapolis we have Simon Delivers. http://www.simondelivers.com/

      I see their trucks quite often, so no, home delivery of groceries isn't dead.

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    5. Re:Also by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      Not sure if it was WebVan, but there was a great one in Boston when I lived there.

      As I was working silly hours back in those days by the time I got home there was really no time to shop. The internet shop was a boon. I was even surprised when the delivery guys refused a tip.

      From what I Gather they were in business for years before the dot.com and had moved from phone service to internet service. They then expanded out to other states. That and the insane price of maintaining the website is what killed them though.

      Shame really.

    6. Re:Also by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 1

      Sainsbury's do it. Here (in Coventry), if you order £70+ of stuff the delivery is only 99p. They rarely substitute with an inappropriate product and their fresh stuff really is fresh.

    7. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tescos are raking in cash hand over fist via. Tesco.com My wife and I have used them since we married, over four years ago now. The service has always been good and the produce is fine. Early on they had a nasty habit of providing silly substitutions or nearly-out-of-date produce (Bread especially) but they've grown out of that mostly, now. I can't imagine doing our weekly shop any other way.

    8. Re:Also by Denjiro · · Score: 1

      Albertsons.com still does grocery delivery. I haven't been inside a grocery store this year. They charge a $5 fee to pick it up at your local store, $10 for delivery. The only downside is it's only available where Alberstons has a local presence.

    9. Re:Also by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      I think by "Amazons" he was refering to Dot Coms. Albertsons, like Tesco, is an existing, established, real-world Supermarket chain.

      For the most part, that's where I only see online grocery businesses - from the existing, established, stores, not from web startups. It makes sense not just because starting your own chain is extremely expensive, but also because you already have a network of local distribution centers, all you have to do is add a delivery service to that. The margins should be similar to the pizza delivery business, which like online groceries, would be ridiculously expensive if you tried to serve an entire county or state from one kitchen.

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    10. Re:Also by Rob+Seace · · Score: 1

      Speaking of "Amazons of the Grocery Business" (though, not exactly what you meant): you can actually order groceries (yes, including actual perishable goods, with things like frozen food packed in dry ice and express shipped to you) from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gristedes... Technically, it's coming from Gristedes Supermarkets of New York, but all the ordering and payment is via Amazon... (And, yes, I've ordered from them, and would highly recommend them for anyone too lazy to go to an actual grocery store... ;-))

    11. Re:Also by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

      There were actually two companies with that dumb business model -- Kozmo.com

      and UrbanFetch -- both competing to see who could lose money the fastest.
    12. Re:Also by radish · · Score: 1

      me of when I could order groceries online, but that was cancelled due to the lack of popularity. I suppose America isn't ready to take the final step to pure laziness.


      Well I live just outside New York and have been using online grocery delivery for several years. All the local supermarkets offer the service, plus there are independent operators like FreshDirect. And it's not laziness, it's convenience. I have better things to do with my extremely limited spare time than stand in line at the supermarket.

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    13. Re:Also by jminne · · Score: 1

      Freshdirect delivers groceries here in the NYC area. They bought all the equipment from Webvan's fire sale and are doing quite well. Time is on their side - shopping online is just a more comfortable experience than it was 5 years ago.

    14. Re:Also by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I was trying to be a bit clever.

      I remember that every dot-com was going to be "The Amazon of --what amazon.com did for books, we're going to do for Toys/Pet Supplies/Groceries, etc."

      It made it easier for the VCs to understand.

  7. I'm sorry, but... by VValdo · · Score: 4, Informative

    any list of tech duds that doesn't include the venerable iOpener is.. well, incomplete.

    W

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    1. Re:I'm sorry, but... by grimJester · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, every dot-com era disaster was named like an Apple product. Well, it does make sense; marketing and product naming worked fine. Too well, in fact.

    2. Re:I'm sorry, but... by HaydnH · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, the best way to make money from the .com era would've been to patent the i(Name) and e(Name) terms! =P

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    3. Re:I'm sorry, but... by torpor · · Score: 1


      oh man, i'm looking at my poor forlorn i-opener on the shelf right now, where it has sat for the last 6 months, not working.

      prior to that it was pressed into service as a regular, stable, reliable little slackware box, doing everything it could possibly do with the huge nest of USB devices i had plugged into it. usb storage, powermates (two), MIDI, a webcam .. the whole nine yards on that little box, and it was solid until The Day Something Went Wrong.

      that little computer was the best $99 i ever spent. it was a more productive, more fun, and far more happy computing experience than anything i've had from Apple, too, and i'm on my 3rd powerbook .. if only another company would come along and offer such a wonderfully hackable device for $99 again ..

      alas, if anyone in the /. monkey tree knows how to bring back dead i-openers, please let me know privately .. i really want it back. it'll be nice to set it up next to the BeBox .. which is, fortunately, still working ..

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    4. Re:I'm sorry, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Never has a company sunk so quickly due to the efforts of enthusiastic hackers.

      I never got around to building one. The whole Netpliance/i-Opener thing turned into a fiasco so quickly that it seemed prudent to hang on to my $200 until the smoke cleared. But I still have links to the info, and give them to my colleagues as a textbook example of a business plan gone wrong, and fast:

      Slashdot links:
      http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=netpliance

      News.com article:
      http://news.com.com/2100-1040-248437.html

  8. Kozmo.com by superdude72 · · Score: 1

    I think about Kozmo.com, and how I used to have a sandwich, Razor scooter, and porn video delivered to my door in under 30 minutes, and a single tear rolls down my cheek.

    Just kidding about the porn and the scooter. If a lot of people had actually done that, they might have stayed in business. I did order a lot of $5 sandwiches though. They lost money on every delivery, trying to build "mindshare" or some silly thing. I knew it couldn't last. Alas, I do miss them though.

    1. Re:Kozmo.com by iocat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kozmo was profitable exactly where you think it would be (dense cities like NYC, Boston and SF). They tried to expand, too fast, to places that were too spread out (LA, Houston, etc). It was a rad service while it lasted, though.

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    2. Re:Kozmo.com by macdaddy357 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kozmo com was too limited. You need a site where anything is possible! You need Zombo com.

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    3. Re:Kozmo.com by Aeonite · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can still get $5 sandwiches delivered in 30 minutes or less from Ninja Burger.

  9. PointCast by LoadStar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually miss PointCast, particularly the screensaver featuring live data that was pushed to it. Most of the other features of PointCast are easily found in any number of RSS readers these days... but I have yet to find an RSS screensaver as functional as the PointCast screensaver.

    PointCast was just ahead of it's time... it really needed the always-on high speed home connections that only really became widespread years after it went under.

    1. Re:PointCast by maggard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ARGH!

      I remember when PointCast hit our network - every dingdong was running it to look 'kewl', instead it just sat there sucking up our (then) expensive bandwidth day & night.

      Later on we became a "PointCast Partner" which never seemed to amount ot much.

      What I want is a combination of news.google.com headlines & After Dark's Headlines module, just to keep me on my toes of real-news vs. fake-news (aside from Fox News)

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  10. Wacky names... by Null+Nihils · · Score: 1

    Heh, I half expected "Wii" to be on the list, alongside all the other unmarketable names like iSmell and Flooz. Of course, lets hope that these ventures failed not because of their silly names, but because they didn't offer a suitable product to the market.

    Once upon a time, "marketing" just meant letting people know your product existed, while telling them why they might want to buy it. Nowadays (and also during the dot-com "boom") a lot of the marketing just seems to be more and more distracting and counterproductive... a very, very lost art.

    1. Re:Wacky names... by legallyillegal · · Score: 2, Informative
      Heh, I half expected "Wii" to be on the list, alongside all the other unmarketable names like iSmell and Flooz.

      what the fuck is an 'ipod' what a silly name it'll never sell

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    2. Re:Wacky names... by Null+Nihils · · Score: 1

      IMO iPod isn't a very bad name at all. But at any rate, the product obviously has some very marketable merits. So what's in a name?

      The real point of my post isn't about names specifically, but about being overwhelmed by overzealous marketing. From my point of view, far-out wacky names or "impressive" acronyms or whatever just distract people - and spawn pointless Internet flamewars ;) - so just why not just present the customer with a product in an interesting way and call it done?

      In other words, I'm saying that the fanfare for a product eventually becomes a whole three-ring circus of its own... are you really succeeding when people are thinking about the name instead of thinking about the product itself? It's an interesting question.

    3. Re:Wacky names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wii, Wee, whatever... who wants a product named after piss!

  11. Don't forget ... by MrNougat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Pets.com, and Webvan.

    Priceline almost went bust - remember how they used to sell all sorts of stuff, including groceries at Jewel grocery stores.

    (Side note: I wonder what the going rate for jewel.com is. But I digress.)

    And frankly, I can't believe Peapod is still running.

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    1. Re:Don't forget ... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I really liked Webvan. But I suspect it was doomed - even without the complexities of building your own logistics infrastructure.

      I probably was a prime candidate for Webvan. But I really didn't like the idea of letting someone else pick out my perishables (meat, produce, etc.). So I never even thought of hitting their site. Then, in a particularly busy month, the family car broke down. We were out a car while it was in repair and by the time I got home from work - it was very late. So my wife made a quick grocery order via Webvan. Nothing big. Just enough to pad out the groceries until we could make a real run. And the service was great. The produce was top-notch. And soon the majority of our groceries came via Webvan.

      But despite this - I just don't see that many other people giving them the chance. And without that, you're certainly not going to pay off that expensive logistics infrastructure.

    2. Re:Don't forget ... by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      I was using a web grocery service as early as 1996 and my only complaint was that their milk was warm.

      This was for 50+ people. For my own use I go to the store every other day. Hell, I can walk. Interesting name "sprocket," see my other post in this thread.

    3. Re:Don't forget ... by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

      The only reason Peapod still exists is because they sold out to the international grocery giant Royal Ahold in 2001, for the princely price of $2.15 a share -- down from $18.50 at its 1997 IPO. Ahold's investment was the only thing that kept Peapod from folding.

      Considering that they never earned a profit as an independent operation and were spending $1.60 to ship $1 worth of groceries, it's probably safe to chalk them up with the dot-bombs, even if the Peapod brand is still around.

    4. Re:Don't forget ... by radish · · Score: 1

      Online groceries are doing just fine. In my area the local supermarkets all offer "order online & deliver next day" options, plus there's independent competition like FreshDirect. We haven't done our main grocery shopping in a B&M store for years.

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    5. Re:Don't forget ... by Insightfill · · Score: 1
      We were webvan regulars and really liked them for a long time. They delivery guy would even put on little paper booties before going into our house to put the groceries on the table.

      An early sign that they were going away was the day the guy stopped putting on the booties. Little things...

    6. Re:Don't forget ... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Peapod seems to me to be kept in business by lazy office managers that don't know any better.

      When you're spending other people's money, why not use peapod?

  12. Goddamn flash intro ads... by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 0, Redundant
    1. Re:Goddamn flash intro ads... by DragonTHC · · Score: 0, Troll

      just reload the page you nutsack!

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  13. iSmell by paisleyboxers · · Score: 2, Funny

    I still have that very issue of Wired Magazine that the iSmell was publisized in from like 6 years ago.. I remember being so fond of it because (if i remember porperly) it was a Spumco project. And I wanted so badly for that to become a reality. Viva la Spumco!!!! (and Ren and Stimpy too)

  14. That might have worked, properly marketed by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Can you think of a profitable online multimedia industry that could enhance its products by synchronizing a smell track? They should have set up a comarketing deal.

    1. Re:That might have worked, properly marketed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (sarcasm alert)

      RE your sig: http://jack-dalton.blogspot.com/2005/08/its-about- time-we-got-you-guys-off.html

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    2. Re:That might have worked, properly marketed by moro_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      if someone calls a product "iSmell" then I Smell a Really Bad Sense for Business.

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  15. When the business went bad by Markos · · Score: 3, Funny

    A foul up at the iSmell datacenter led every customers device to smell like Uranus.

    1. Re:When the business went bad by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes ..... you know, the phone company O2 was originally going to be called CH4 but there was a bit of a stink about it .....

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    2. Re:When the business went bad by fatphil · · Score: 0

      methane's odourless.

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    3. Re:When the business went bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an immature joke. That's why I propose we change the name of the planet to Urectum.

    4. Re:When the business went bad by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 1

      astronomers renamed it to get rid of that stupid joke once and for all

      its now called 'urectum'

  16. What about Kozmo.com? by Artifice_Eternity · · Score: 1

    During the last year of the dot-com boom I worked in midtown Manhattan (in the Empire State Building, actually). My co-workers loved to order junk from Kozmo.com; I indulged occasionally myself. Even if you ordered a candy bar and a Coke, they'd send a guy on a bike across town with it!

    Ridiculous business model. But as I liked to say, "If venture capitalists want to subsidize this, that's fine with me!"

    One morning I ordered a disposable Polaroid camera from Kozmo. A couple hours later, I noticed that the website was no longer accessible. In fact, the company had shut down minutes after I placed my order! I never got my camera. Kozmo still owes me $10!

  17. This stuff is small change. by sakusha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These guys are penny ante losers. I want to know the REALLY BIG losers.

    I remember seeing some TV show back around 1992, some analysts from Bolt Beranek & Newman said they had a bet in their office about what company would be the first to lose $1 Billion in cash by investing it in the Internet. He called it by some stupid name like "a Gigalapse."

    I've remembered that bet for quite a few years, and whenever I hear a big loss, I always see if it comes up to a billion. I've seen a few companies lose hundreds of millions, but nobody's come close to a billion that I know of. But surely it will happen someday, sooner than we think. For all we know, Microsoft or Google might have lost a billion in some bad internet investment and buried it somewhere in their P&L where nobody is looking.

    1. Re:This stuff is small change. by 5pp000 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Anyone remember Metricom? Paul Allen reportedly lost some $600M on that. That's more than halfway to your $1B target.

      For those who never heard of it or don't recall, Metricom was blanketing entire cities with their "Ricochet" wireless Internet access coverage. Yes! In 1999 and 2000! I was a subscriber, and got some real use out of the thing, though the service was expensive ($70/month) and slow (the claimed 128kbps rarely materialized). (But then, back then, most people were using dialup anyway.)

      If they had moved more carefully, instead of madly rolling out a service for which demand had not yet developed, they might be sitting very pretty indeed by this point. Oh well, hindsight...

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    2. Re:This stuff is small change. by MDMurphy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Metricom was a real shame. I actually think the flood of money from Paul Allen is what killed them. Rather than struggle a while and go slow they went into an orgy of spending and growth and burned out quick.

      I had Metricom from 1996-1999. It was only 28.8 at first, but in 1996 dialup was 28.8. At $40 a month it was less than the cost of dialup plus a 2nd phone line, so the mobile part was a bonus. It was unmetered and always on. In 1997 I could sit outside Starbucks and get work done, send/receive email, surf the web. The modem was a little bulky, but the battery lasted longer than my laptop's battery so it was usable.

      This was before WiFi, before GPRS. And it worked. I beta tested the 128k stuff. It was faster than dialup when most people still didn't have cable or DSL. It was mobile and unmetered.

      They blew the money, made bad business decisions. But the product I got from them worked as advertised. That's more than most of the dot-flops can say.

      And now, MetroFi is putting wireless internet on light poles, just like Metricom

    3. Re:This stuff is small change. by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1
      http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/librar y/pa-chipschall13/index.html

      Talks about the gigalapse and CmdrTaco! Bunch of seemingly random stuff tied together pretty well

    4. Re:This stuff is small change. by torpor · · Score: 1


      i had two of the 128k modems, got a good 6 months usage out of them, also laptop'ing and working from starbucks' all over Los Angeles .. were seriously glorious times, i could go anywhere in the city i wanted to work, get on the 'net, fire up a few ssh's and earn my retainer for a swath of local ISP's who needed their POPs maintained .. was pretty sad to see the ricochet 'net go down, but we put those 128k modems to good use after their net went off the air as a bridging/repeater setup for the T1 I had in my office .. that was nice too, good ol' cheap One Wilshire bandwidth .. *sigh* ..

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    5. Re:This stuff is small change. by QMO · · Score: 1

      Once upon a time, some fast-talking sharp convinced some poor slob at NEC that Packard Bell was a good aquisition because of the brand recognition, not mentioning that people recognized the Packard Bell brand as synonymous with "sucks."

      I did tech support for Packard Bell NEC for about a year, and in one quarter NEC poured $450 million into the sink hole, so I would guess that the total loss was substantially over a billion. I'm not sure if this counts as a "Gigalapse" becuase I don't know how much of what NEC wanted had to do with the internet.

      You may notice that Packard Bell no longer exists in the US. There're a few good reasons for this, one of which may be the "pizza tower" case (the motherboard is horizontal, with a riser card). Another reason is probably that PB put used parts in computers which they subsequently labeled "new."

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    6. Re:This stuff is small change. by dukerobillard · · Score: 2, Informative
      whenever I hear a big loss, I always see if it comes up to a billion. I've seen a few companies lose hundreds of millions, but nobody's come close to a billion that I know of.

      AT&T & friends spent 1.4 billion on Net2Phone and then sold it for $28 million

    7. Re:This stuff is small change. by drew · · Score: 1

      I don't know who the current owner is, but Ricochet is available again in San Diego and Denver. The current technology I believe is roughly DSL speed for about $25 a month. The current owner doesn't have the money to run all of Metricom's old networks, but I believe they are looking for partners to do that under license. Just before they went on the block, Metricom was operating in something like 23 cities, at least one of which had only been online for a few weeks. Most of that hardware is still out there, just waiting for somebody with a little bit of money to light it up and start running the service again.

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    8. Re:This stuff is small change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all we know, Microsoft or Google might have lost a billion in some bad internet investment and buried it somewhere in their P&L where nobody is looking.

      Avanade probably comes close. Microsoft donated $500M in cash, and Anderson Consulting donated $500M in assets.

      See: Andersen Consulting and Microsoft in US$1 Billion Pact To Form Joint Venture and Expand Global Alliance

      They don't seem to have $1B anymore (filings). I interviewed with them in 2000 for a research position (creating best-practices for designing mobile applications), but they restructured the job away before the hiring decision (they decided the field devs should write whitepapers based on their experiences).

      Disclosure: I now work for Microsoft, and opinions stated here are my own.

    9. Re:This stuff is small change. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      *sigh*

      I miss my PB p166 w/MMX. It came with a bad memory card that was only bad enough to crash once I installed software above the windows 95 minimum install. Their support consisted of "format and call us back" and I finally got them to let me bring it into a shop. The shop let it run without touching it for 24 hours, they declared it fixed. I ended up buying my own damn 8 meg simm.

      Anyway, I loved that box. It ran for 8 years nonstop. When the power supply started going I just powered the 2nd drive and floppy off a 2nd power supply mounted near the coverless box.

      My frankenputer. Gone forever.

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  18. They forgot Value America by LoadStar · · Score: 3, Informative

    They also forgot Value America. Similar to the CyberRebate.com which was mentioned in the article, except even less thought through than that... they pretty much gave stuff away for practically nothing. I can't even describe how much cheap stuff I got from them at half price or less.

    Value America was a textbook case of the dot bomb. Literally... the book "dot.bomb: My Days and Nights at an Internet Goliath" describes the rise and fall of Value America.

    1. Re:They forgot Value America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Value America! I bought a hard drive from them when they had an online coupon code for $100 off back in Oct. '99. You sure don't find that often anymore.

    2. Re:They forgot Value America by damiangerous · · Score: 1

      I got my first DVD player from them back in 1998. A Philips 825 that I still have. They had ridiculous coupon deals, I think i got $100 off for using a MasterCard and then another $50 off for it being "my birthday".

  19. Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Time Warner. They bought AOL and never looked forward since.

  20. Kozmo.com by Artifice_Eternity · · Score: 1

    I was one of their last customers -- I never got the order I placed the day they went under.

    Oh well. It was nice having VCs subsidize our candy bars for a while there.

  21. iloomy butt! by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The iloo was a joke that became an urban legend. There was never actually a plan to make such a thing.

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    1. Re:iloomy butt! by novus+ordo · · Score: 1

      If they ever made such a thing I would take residence in it

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    2. Re:iloomy butt! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "The iloo was a joke..."

      And yet somehow the internet fridge survived. "Evolving markets", go figure!

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    3. Re:iloomy butt! by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

      Well, the article mentions how it really happened - Microsoft designed a thing and kept quiet about it, then when people caught wind of that, they tried to cover it up, then acknowledged they made it but it wasn't really all that big or serious.

      The only big question is why it made to the list - Microsoft has a lot of smart people that come up with a lot of good ideas, and they probably have to reject unmarketable, potentially ridiculous ideas like this from their own staff every day (along with other improbable ideas like "let's support OpenDocument" =).

    4. Re:iloomy butt! by widget54 · · Score: 1

      turns out it was cheaper to make a waterproof pda!

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    5. Re:iloomy butt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's EVEN cheaper to throw a regular PDA into a clear, airtight, vacuum-sealed bag :P

  22. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by sakusha · · Score: 1

    I considered Time Warner as a candidate for the "Gigalapse" but I could not identify $1billion in real cash money that evaporated. It was all stock swaps, just paper money that evaporated.

  23. Online Malls by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    Remember around 1997 or 1998 when every other yahoo in your area with a dialup modem and too much free time was collecting links to stores around your area and making those glorified bookmark collections and calling them an "Online Mall"?

    Ok, maybe I'm the only one.

    1. Re:Online Malls by Cold-NiTe · · Score: 3, Funny

      I... I still do that...

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      Ever get the feeling that the people who don't have anything to say are the ones doing the majority of the talking?
  24. Waste of time posting JavaScript only links !!##@@ by Acc7 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Zonk, Why would you post a link that requires javascript to get anything other than a blank page??? It just wastes our time !!! ##@@!!!##@@

    Story sounds interesting but are you going to vouch for the link and come over to fix a hacked system?? If not, then either mention the link is script only or don't bother to post it.

    disappointed

  25. FuckedCompany? by catch23 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why bother with a tiny little article from WSJ when you have an entire website dedicated to dot-bomb companies? FuckedCompany.com was a big hit during the dot-bomb era, everyone I knew used the site to make bets on which company would get screwed next. They should be the ones authoring the story. They probably have all the great insider information on all the dot-bombs. If it weren't for NDAs, they could probably publish a top selling book with all that rumor-mill information they've got stored away.

    1. Re:FuckedCompany? by robogun · · Score: 1

      Have you been to the site in the last year or so. FC discussion is very very dead, the only posts seem to tell Pud to take the site down, and some Joe Wang posts

    2. Re:FuckedCompany? by Adam9 · · Score: 1
    3. Re:FuckedCompany? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      FC is coughing up cyber-blood. The rare interesting "news" posts are few and far between, when they do happen they're terribly old news, the "discussion" is all trolls and spam, and Pud's extrememly interesting sister project internalmemos.com went to an all-paid model and stopped updating at roughly the same time. Shame.

    4. Re:FuckedCompany? by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it weren't for NDAs, they could probably publish a top selling book with all that rumor-mill information they've got stored away.

      I have the book, you can have it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743228626/103-53 65480-9092665?v=glance&n=283155

      It is excellent, scary, and amusing all at the same time. I can't tell you how its just filled with page after page about how X company got Y*100 million in VC, and in Z days/years they were bust. One company had over $300mil in VC money, and Philip Kaplan said, "If they merely partied and blew the money at $1mil/year they would have been in business for over 300 years", yet they went broke in a year or two.

      Amazing.

    5. Re:FuckedCompany? by Superfreaker · · Score: 1

      Pud moved on to AdBrite which is kicking a$$. Meh.

    6. Re:FuckedCompany? by catch23 · · Score: 1

      Well, my bet is the site will get a lot more traffic, if we have another bubble burst. I'm guessing we'll have one a bit later, perhaps 2008 or 2010?

  26. Ha. Kozmo gave me shit.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because when they shut down I still had several movies of theirs!!! haha!

  27. Thriving in the UK by ndg123 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Online grocery ordering and delivery is doing quite well in the UK still. Though its generally provided by the existing companies off the back of their own stores, rather than new enterprises (maybe except for Waitrose, who are closely linked with a separate delivery company).

    1. Re:Thriving in the UK by HaydnH · · Score: 1

      I along with most of the people I know use online delivery from supermarkets in the UK. They usualy give you a two hour window for delivery but are usualy sitting outside your door for about 15 minutes before that so there's no hanging around for you. The delivery only costs about £3-£5 depending on the time of day/week and they will put all the bags in your kitchen, although they won't put it away for you. Personally for £3-£5 I have better things to do than go to the actual shop.

      The only down side to it is that occasionaly you will get a complete muppet who's in charge of finding alternatives for your products if they're not in stock. For example this week my other half requested a pack of 2 steaks, they were out of stock so they replaced them with 1 organic steak of the same size and about the same price! A friend also requested a large bag of pasta and received a cucumber!!! However you can tunr down any alterations they've made when they deliver - they notify you of them at that time.

      --
      Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. - Douglas Adams
    2. Re:Thriving in the UK by rsturbonutter · · Score: 1

      Yeah - I used to work as a delivery driver for just the company you're talking about - the way they treated us was excellent ... never had a complaint about how we were treated, plus the "staff shop" was a god-send - Waitrose brand products for 75% off retail price at least!

    3. Re:Thriving in the UK by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Personally I'd sooner spend a whole 30 mins (gasp) in a shop and
      get stuff that I think looks ok , than rely on some 18 year old
      packer to pick veg etc out of the almost-out-of-sell-by-date basket
      that the shop wants to clear out.

    4. Re:Thriving in the UK by HaydnH · · Score: 1

      We haven't had any problems with fruit & veg picking... well we had a few plums that needed to wait a few days to ripen, I've been happy with everything else.

      --
      Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. - Douglas Adams
    5. Re:Thriving in the UK by ndg123 · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's my main reason for not bothering. For fruit/veg, and for meat, I pick what I want very carefully based on appearance, use by date, origin (I don't buy from some countries), and variety. The variety is particularly difficult - I don't want to buy Estima potatoes for example, but when I'm offered 'white potatoes' I can't tell unless I see the packaging. This is part of the dumbing down of consumers - so you buy what they wish to sell you rather than looking for the hard-to-grow but nice-to-eat varieties.

    6. Re:Thriving in the UK by DrHyde · · Score: 1

      I have veggies delivered by a bunch of hippies, and have never yet been disappointed. There's *lots* of small companies doing that sort of thing all over the country.

    7. Re:Thriving in the UK by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, Ocado only carry the same range as the smallest Waitrose store and thus is a hopeless alternative for those of us who use a decent sized Waitrose. Anyway, I'm so enamoured of Waitrose's self-scan that online shopping loses its appeal.

      --
      That was classic intercourse!
    8. Re:Thriving in the UK by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      You can get to the supermarket, pick up a week's shopping, queue, pay for it and get home in 30 minutes? Do you live in an Asda or something?

    9. Re:Thriving in the UK by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      No , but its within walking distance. And if you know what you
      want to buy and go at a quiet time its very quick.

    10. Re:Thriving in the UK by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Supermarkets in the UK really suck. They are either miles away and too big, with everything you could possible want, and loads that you would never want, spread out the size of a couple of bootball pitches. Or they are close and really small, with only a few items, and you can't get to the shelves becuase people are waiting inline to get to the checkout. I have never seen such long lines as here in the supermarkets.

      Also they are a rip-off and the fruit and veg tastes like paper.

    11. Re:Thriving in the UK by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Online grocery ordering and delivery is doing quite well in the UK still.

      Here in Dublin I have used the Tesco service - usually when they beg me to with a free delivery voucher and my experience is decidely negative. I have used the thing 3 times now and for that I have had:

      • Substituted items without saying so, e.g. one deodorant for another. There isn't a "don't deliver it if its not exactly what I want" checkbox. They just pick an alternative and sometimes you don't notice.
      • Delivering an item without the special offer on it. e.g. the website says 50% extra free except you don't get it.
      • Missing things. Things you ordered which aren't there but they still charged you for.
      • Dented tins, scrawny bits of meat, produce near its sell-by date. In a supermarket I pick things from the back of the shelf because they are always fresher.
      • No facility for using money off or clubcard vouchers

      The worst part is you must check through every single item in front of the driver. You can just feel their impatience as you dispute an order or return items. Then you rely upon them to refund the difference.

      So my experience is that the service is negative. It sure as hell doesn't come close to a regular shop. I've decided that the only reason for using it now is for them lug extremely heavy things like wine, beer, bleach etc. to my door. And then only when they come crawling for my business with a promotion.

    12. Re:Thriving in the UK by drsquare · · Score: 1

      You can get to the supermarket, pick up a week's shopping, queue, pay for it and get home in 30 minutes? Do you live in an Asda or something?

      30 minutes, plus the time to reorder and wait for delivery of the things they 'substituted' (read: forgot) the first time.

      If you go to a real shop, and they don't have something, you can go to the shop next door and get it. With the Internet, you're fucked. You either wait several hours to get what you need from somewhere else, or make do with the rancid substitute.

  28. What was it? by Mancat · · Score: 1

    At least provide some idea of what it was for those of us who weren't in the loop at the time.

    --
    hello dear sirs my name is jamesh i are india (bihar) can u guide me install red had linux 9?
    1. Re:What was it? by beoswulf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo.com

      "1990s. Boo.com's intention was to sell branded fashion wear over the Internet; however, after spending vast sums of its venture capital, it eventually had to liquidate and was placed into receivership on May 18, 2000. Fashionmall.com now owns boo.com."

      Enough said?

    2. Re:What was it? by MORB · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't surprise me if the people who founded it and the investors didn't have any clue what it was either.

  29. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by LadyLucky · · Score: 1

    I think those that owned stock in Time Warner may disagree.

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    dominionrd.blogspot.com - Restaurants on
  30. conspicuously absent by jihadi_lame · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    slashdot!

    the only site that makes money by allowing subscribers to view stories before ddosing them!

    slashdot's editors must be stopped. consider the jihad

  31. Agillion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the biggest, most stunning crash & burns ever. They ended up going out of business something like $60 million in debt. Amazing.

    http://www.disobey.com/ghostsites/show_exhibit.sht ml/agillion

  32. Sprockets.com by mshurpik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked for Sprockets.com for a couple months as technical support while I learned web development elsewhere.

    As best I could tell, Sprockets was completely fake. The goal was to build a new-media friendly collaboration tool. Emphasis was on appearance and real development work was outsourced to Israeli programmers who could barely keep up with...well they just sucked. I never saw a deliverable and never had any responsibilities.

    We had four in-house developers, fresh college kids who mostly goofed around and laughed at their non-responsibilities. When I showed up to work at 11am, the infrastructure team bluntly offered me a free cellphone. They also threw stock at me like toilet paper.

    I bailed on Sprockets to take a real development job at double salary, but about a year later I got a letter in the mail saying Sprockets was defunct and I could come to the office to take whatever I wanted. Fait accompli...venture capital=profit. I can't believe they got away with it, but my feeling is this was pre-planned from the start and they broke no actual laws. They knew what they were doing.

    Call it VC raiding. Anybody who wasted venture capital should probably be jealous (and my future employer did exactly that.)

    1. Re:Sprockets.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      i Worked for one of these in 2000 too, there were 3 of us in a unit on an industrial estate, got a bunch of servers and computers thrown at us and paid to develop "internet filtering software for schools". after a few months of nothing happening but tech demos to investors i realised what the game was and jumped ship, as far as i'm aware it's actually still going, and still getting cash out of investors. The secret of their profitability is to only have enough kit to look like they're actually doing something and to only hire a couple of college kids as developers for minimum wage.

    2. Re:Sprockets.com by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I worked for Sprockets.com for a couple months as technical support..."

      How is Mr Spacely and what's George up to these days...

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    3. Re:Sprockets.com by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It is not about how much stock you have but how much Copper Wire you can get away with.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    4. Re:Sprockets.com by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      When were you at Sprockets? I would guess before they brought in Kevin Hegg. I wouldn't say Sprockets.com was fake, but it wasn't money well spent

      In the month or so between getting hired and actually starting the job, they had some big shake up. They had planned a big roll-out at some conference, and it turned out none of the code was worth the bits it was printed on. Not only was all dev outsourced, but no one was managing the project or doing any sort of QA. I heard they completely faked the presentation at the conference with fake screen shots passed off as a live site.

      Then they started pretty much from scratch again. Brought in a new guy to head up development. Still outsourced but had the devs in Boston do some actual work, even if just to have someone watching the code to make sure it changed over time as actual work got done.

      And then there were the lay-offs a couple weeks after I started. I got stuck as the office network admin half way through an upgrade to Win2k/AD. About 6 months later they laid off pretty much all technical staff, just kept management and sales. I guess the plan was, if they actually sold the service, then they'd finish up dev.

      Anyway, I'd come from a REAL start-up--no VC money, no swag. The owner/founder was lead dev, and I was dev/QA/net admin/webmaster/tech support. I actually thought the move to Sprockets was a step up to a 'real' company. Ah, the naivete of youth.

      Well, it wasn't a complete loss. It was during my time at Sprockets I was introduced to Computer Stew. "Starship. Jefferson Starship."

    5. Re:Sprockets.com by Xytheril · · Score: 1

      I thought that whole "Take stuff from the office" thing was just a joke they did on the Simpsons to make fun of the dot bomb guys. I had no idea that was a reality. Kind of makes me wish I had been able to work for one of those companies for a month or two. I'd have taken a couple buddies with me, pulled up some U-Hauls and just robbed the place blind.

    6. Re:Sprockets.com by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      I was at Sprockets around April/May 1999. Boston, down central. Got hired by aD summer of 1999 and into 2000. I admire sprockets for their perseverance....it was definitely fake and CTO never stopped chatting me up about the B-52's (rock group), friday afternoon drinkfests and other nonsense.

      ArsDigita taught me how to write real dB/web code on any platform. My sense after a couple weeks at Spockets was that I could run the whole company myself at 25 year old. It was messed up. They had no intention of releasing a real web client, because writing web/db would have taken about a month's work on my part.

    7. Re:Sprockets.com by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      Specifically the letter said I could "file a claim" for company property, and my sense was that all claims would be handled with utmost care. I didn't file one, it scared me a little bit to be getting on the inside of the scam.

    8. Re:Sprockets.com by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      Sorry it was June 2000.

    9. Re:Sprockets.com by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, we might have crossed paths. I came in Oct 2000. About March 2001 they let go all the tech staff and kept the sales guys. Then sometime Sept/Oct 2001 they closed shop.

      I still have a PR video floating around my hard drive. Probably the only thing that company ever finished.

      The best was when they dumped all us techies, they offered to accelerate all our stock options. Gee, our stock would be unsecured (last in line to get paid when the whole thing went tits up), while the notes from the investors are secured (first in line). So they'd let us pay the folks who were firing us. How kind.

  33. Cuecat success despite best attempts by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "The cat got butchered, but it has spawned a cottage industry," said the device's inventor, J. Hutton Pulitzer, who now operates a patent holding company in Dallas. Mr. Pulitzer (who changed his name in recent years from J. Jovan Philyaw) laments that he let himself get swept up in the Wall Street frenzy of the late 1990s. "Hindsight is just that," he said. "You can't do anything about it."


    It should be noted that this minor "cottage industry" success appeared despite efforts to the contrary by Mr. Philyaw (or whatever name he calls himself now or the future). Referring to the device as "butchered" is telling.

    As an aside, it's interesting that he now operates a "patent holding company" and changed his name. Even more so is his choice of name. The guy's a class act all the way.
    1. Re:Cuecat success despite best attempts by Myself · · Score: 1

      What baffles me is how he could've "invented" anything. A barcode reader with an integrated keyboard wedge is hardly novel, and had been done for at least a decade prior to the :ObnoxiouslyNamed :CueCat coming on the scene.

    2. Re:Cuecat success despite best attempts by csrster · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I believe the iLoo spawned a _cottaging_ industry.

  34. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by sakusha · · Score: 1

    Show me a single TW stockholder who lost 1Billion in cash on the AOL acquisition and I'll grant them the Gigalapse. I couldn't find any.

  35. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by David+Jao · · Score: 2, Informative
    AOL Time Warner lost 54 billion dollars as a direct result of the merger. Call it non-cash if you want, but the shareholders (especially big institutional investors, such as Janus fund) lost real money.

    Also, the grandparent post is technically inaccurate -- AOL bought Time Warner, not the other way around.

  36. Still kicking in Australia by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 3, Informative
    Both of Australia's major supermarket chains offer online shopping and home delivery. I've been doing this for the past year or so, and it's pretty impressive. I've got a standard cart set up with my usual groceries, so when I need to do a shop I just make any necessary modifications to the standard order, and specify a delivery time. Easy as pie!

    It's not that I'm lazy, I just find going to the supermarket a frustrating, inefficient and depressing experience. Perhaps the original idea was just ahead of it's time?

    1. Re:Still kicking in Australia by odourpreventer · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the original idea to deliver free of charge? The story I read (was it Kozmo? Too lazy to check) they went bust because delivery cost them too much.

    2. Re:Still kicking in Australia by Gleng · · Score: 1

      Damn right. When I lived in Melbourne, my wife and I always did our weekly/fortnightly shop via coles-online. We didn't have a car at the time, and the additional $5 was way cheaper than getting a taxi home.

      Plus, going to supermarkets makes my blood boil, so I would've paid whatever they asked to avoid it.

      --
      "Proudly Posting Without Reading The Article"
  37. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by sakusha · · Score: 1
    Also, the grandparent post is technically inaccurate -- AOL bought Time Warner, not the other way around.

    This would mean AOL/TW is ineligible for the Gigalapse award. AOL lost money acquiring old tech (TV, publishing), where I'm looking for a money lost on an internet investment.

    You see, it isn't easy getting a clear winner on this bet.
  38. Re:Waste of time posting JavaScript only links !!# by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah. That's why I just got a blank page. I had a feeling it might be, but couldn't be arsed to turn on javascript just to find out. Don't they know that even MS recommend browsing with javascript disabled?

  39. match made in . . . by glas_gow · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the iLoo and the iSmell people had got together they would have created a right old stink. This has to be a joke, right? It reminds me of the time I first marvelled at the ability to take my mobile phone into the crapper, then thought better of it.

  40. Lest we forget by CaptainZapp · · Score: 1
    The most expensive art performance of all times:

    etoys.com

    Disclaimer: I am the logistics - and database agent of etoy.

    --
    ich bin der musikant

    mit taschenrechner in der hand

    kraftwerk

  41. i have a pets.com sock puppet by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    sitting in my desk drawer at work

    i have a business plan to make money off of it

    1. sit on pets.com sock puppet
    2. ?????
    3. profit

    where ?????=wait for the years to build, the nostalgia to set in, and its value to climb, ready for sale on ebay

    it's a sure thing, no way my plan can lose money

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  42. WebVan is actually the winner. by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 1

    Other dot-bombs may have been flashier, but WebVan was the undisputed heavyweight king: they ran through over one billion-with-a-b dollars in venture funding before going under.

    Anyone can lose a few million dollars in VC money. Losing a billion take serious style.

    --

    News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.

    1. Re:WebVan is actually the winner. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I look at the other end of the spectrum. WebVan may have burned through $1b on a flawed business model. But BlueMountain.com was able to sell their site for $780m. They are a fricking electronic greeting card company.

  43. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by zoeblade · · Score: 1

    Time Warner. They bought AOL and never looked forward since.

    Yep. This is the same Time Warner that bought Atari, then got upset when the people working there claimed the 2600 wouldn't last forever and that they were already working on it successor. Time Warner is a rich company with no knowledge of how technology works. They just buy out other companies that seem like fashionable cash cows at the time.

  44. ZOMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teh site uses teh Javascripts, it must be full of teh spyware!!!!!111111oneoneoneeleven

  45. Where are they now? by SuperGus · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let's cast a nostalgic browser into the ether and see what some once-fabled URLs return. I've also included results for some of the lesser-known companies mentioned in other slashdotters' postings and, of course, companies from TFA.

    cyberrebate.com - "Distributions to creditors (including rebate claimants) are being mailed beginning April 22, 2005. Creditors will receive $.08802 per dollar of allowed claims" The check is in the mail!!

    pets.com - Bounces you to petsmart.com. Wonder how much PetsMart had to pay for the DNS rights? I'm guessing 2 barks and a milkbone.

    webvan.com - DNS error. Legend has it this company actually burned through $1 billion.

    peapod.com - Still alive in ChiTown, Milwaukee, and SE Wisco. Go peapod!!

    carsdirect.com - Still alive but appears to be simply a car dealer referral service, not the once vaunted "direct seller". Never hit that sweet IPO - it was withdrawn as the bubble burst.

    imotors.com - They built small factories to refurbish and re-warranty used cars which were delivered to customers. The factories are gone - now they're just an information broker apparently.

    flooz.com - WTF? Random placeholder page?

    boo.com - A splash page lives on and claims a new site is launching in 2006. Register your email address to receive updates. "The boo is back! Shh..." Oh joy!

    kozmo.com - DNS error.

    priceline.com - Still around of course.

    agillion.com - Essentially blank page save the link to blogger.com

    sprockets.com - Now a musical composing, scoring, and production service.

    cuecat.com - An online obituary. Are they hoping this gets search-engine-indexed into posterity?

    i2 - Supply chain software. Still here, but stock price is at $17, down from the 5-year high of $643. Look out below!

    eToys - Still around.

    idealab - Famous incubator - carsdirect, petsmart.com, etoys, etc - still around.

    eCompanies - Famous incubator - still around.

    1. Re:Where are they now? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      According to the peapod wiki, peapod is now entirely owned by Royal Ahold, which is a pretty big grocer, big enough to survive a major top-management accounting scandal several years ago. Apart from that troubles, it's a very old and stable company, they propably won't run things that are not economically rewarding, so I guess peapod could survive a long long time this way.

      --
      molmod.com - computing tips from a molecular modeling
    2. Re:Where are they now? by simong · · Score: 1

      Ah, Boo.com... The attention to detail at that place was non-existent. An appalling flash interface that ran like treacle on most modern machines of the time. Free P&P that used couriers in London for delivery and return (and a lot of things were returned). Three, count them, three Sun E10000s at at least a quarter of a million quid a go. I was working at PSINet when the machines were being taken out. Perhaps by US standards it wasn't a massive disaster but it certainly pulled down the British dotcom industry with it.

    3. Re:Where are they now? by hedley · · Score: 1

      Nice list!

      How about CMGI also? Still around but look at this chart!

      http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CMGI&t=my

      H.

    4. Re:Where are they now? by blackmonday · · Score: 1

      We bought 2 cars from carsdirect recently. They rock. No haggling, very good prices. I like autobytel too.

    5. Re:Where are they now? by Longstaff · · Score: 1

      Peapod is the online arm of Stop n Shop in New England. Still functional and well advertised.

    6. Re:Where are they now? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Remember the "Mind your P and Q" company? Where the theory was that they couldn't register "cars" anymore to sell cars, they'd instead register "pcarsq.com"... and whatever you wanted to buy you surrounded by p and q? Whatever happened to them?

      That struck me as a particularly goofy idea, and yet I've never heard the story of their failure. I'm guessing they sold out to someone else.

  46. MOD EDUCATION UP by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0

    and ignorance down

    --
    That was classic intercourse!
    1. Re:MOD EDUCATION UP by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah, I know, methane {CH4} is not what causes the smell in farts -- that's caused by hydrogen sulphide and thiomethanol {CH3SH}. Methane is a paraffin and you wouldn't expect it to smell. However, I also know that not many people know that. So I was just going for a cheap "funny" mod. It's not even karma whoring, really, because funny mods don't help your karma {though "overrated" ones do harm it, so it's not all that cheap}.

      BTW, to view pages from EnvironmentalChemistry.com without advertisements, turn off JavaScript {which will get around their christian banner-block ban redirection attempt} so you get a "javascript is required" warning; then use view -> page style -> no style.

      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
  47. You can still get delivery in Boston by cgenman · · Score: 1

    Peapod still delivers in Boston, and they're tied to one of the major grocery store chains here.

  48. Telco's by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    When the bubble burst, telco stocks were also thrown out the window and in many cases still haven't made up the lost ground. Capital losses on those stocks would have easily topped the $1B mark.

    BTW: I know stocks prices are not the same as cash but accountants and bankers think a bit differently.

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  49. BBO - Broadband office. by Presence2 · · Score: 1

    Kliener Perkin's little darling - Buy fiber and lets give T1's and T3's to every floor in every office building in every city and run it all from the same hub. Wait.. they have to sell it to actual customers? And you have to go through other providers? RUN!

  50. Re:holy fuck turds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biggest busts, it said! What a disappointment the site turned out to be.

  51. This device never went away by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    I remember it from before the net when it was supposed to attach to your tv. No doubt in the days of radio they had similar ideas and I am pretty sure I remember it being discussed as an option for film theathers.

    Basically the ideas of adding smells to other media is eternal. I even had some scratch and sniff books at a time.

    The logic is simple. Smells are important, the smell of fresh coffee or baking bread really wakes me up and tells me it is morning. The smell of wet grass after a thunderstorm would really make a picture of such a scene come to life.

    The problem? Well it just don't work. Smells linger. So long after the movie has passed on to another scene the smell would still be there. Anyway do you really want to smell the rotting corpses? I cleaned up after the bodies have been removed and it ain't a pleasant experience.

    Frankly I see this device as a game. See how many time it passes by in your lifetime.

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  52. Keep dreaming by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Amazon sorta makes sense. Normal book stores are limited. They are either in a good location OR they got space for lots and lots of books. Rarely both.

    Amazon has a lousy location (try stopping by to just have a browse and see the book and scim through it) BUT has infinite space. Well almost.

    If you got even a small chain of stores you need to stock a copy of a book in everyone of them if you want to sell it.

    Amazon can stock 1 copy and sell it across a continent.

    Internet stores make sense for goods where there is an awfull lot of choice but little specific demand and enough profit/costs to keep shipping costs down.

    Yet I don't see bookstores closing down. Yes they are having a hardtime but the older people can tell you that bookstores have always had a hard time.

    But for lots of other things online doesn't make as much sense. Computer hardware has the same wide choice but I prefer talking to a person to make sure I get advice. Granted I shop at a small store where they know you and have in the past been warned that a new vid card would overload my PSU.

    Maybe the US is different but in europe the small savings don't make up for the lack of customer service and delays especially if something goes wrong.

    Offcourse there are people like you but might I suggest something? Are you perhaps just a modern version of the catalog shopper?

    Holland has two catalog companies that send a thick book with products from wich people order.

    The net in paper if you like.

    They been around for ages and were never a threath to real shops.

    Yes there are exceptions but just go down to the highstreet on a saturday. Hope you can stand crowds.

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    1. Re:Keep dreaming by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Amazon has a lousy location
       
      Speak for yourself. My amazon store has a great location, right in my living room. Very nice and convenient. Not that I really but books anymore - does anybody still read books, I thought that was what the internet was for.

    2. Re:Keep dreaming by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      I should point out that Amazon.com is much much much more than a bookstore now. They *directly* carry many more items (from food to clothes to eletronics to furniture) than superstores such as Wal Mart, and they *indirectly* carry (i.e. though Amazon marketplace sellers) just about anything you could ever want to possibly buy. Their prices are generally much lower than B&M, and with the majority of their items, they offer free shipping for all orders over $25.

      I prefer talking to a person to make sure I get advice I prefer Wikipedia and Google. They're a hell of a lot more reliable than a saleperson or customer service rep, especially one from a big chain. You do have a point with returns--it's usually hassle when dealing with online business, and you might have to pay for return shipping. However, in the past 3 or 4 years of heavy online shopping for nearly all of my large-ish purchases, this has only come up a like twice. The monetary savings more than makes up for this rare hassle.

      Offcourse there are people like you but might I suggest something? Are you perhaps just a modern version of the catalog shopper?

      Catalog shopping was never (to my knowlege.) much cheaper than shopping at the B&M, at least not in America. The ease of visiting multiple websites within a few minutes makes online competition much fiercer, and this drives the prices down in the way that catalog competition never could.

  53. One is a big bust, one is a big boob... by ananamouse · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I nominate Anna Nichole Smith for marrying the rich oil man and her step-son for litigating her to the Supreme Court.

  54. Thriving in NZ too by spagetti_code · · Score: 1

    Works a treat - for $NZ10 - $15 (depending on order size) delivered. The guy even brings it into the house and drops the bags in the kitchen.

    The website is very well thought out too. It saves frequently purchased items so after a couple of shops, you can do a shop by zipping through your list rather than scanning the whole inventory.

    Signed
    One happy, and very lazy, customer.

    1. Re:Thriving in NZ too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use it here in NZ too. It's brilliant. I even get 20kg bags of coal dropped off (much to the delivery guys distress)!

      And what most people don't realise is it saves you money. Because you can set up a standard list you don't tend to make as many impulse buys as you do wandering about supermarket aisles. I know some people like that but they tend to be those bastards who aimlessly wander about, stop their trolleys in the most stupid places (usually the stupids seek each other out and stop directly opposite each other completely blocking aisles) and then stand there for 5 minutes blocking the way while trying to decide on what brand of bleach to buy. My pet hate is people who wander off and leave their trolleys in awkward places. I put in extra things for them that they didn't know they needed. Small, expensive things :)

  55. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by saridder · · Score: 1

    Ted Turner.

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  56. darn you by tacokill · · Score: 2, Informative

    Man, I was gonna laugh at this but my pedantic side got the best of me and I just can't do it.

    CH4, or methane, is odorless. If you are "smelling" methane, then what you are really smelling is one of two things: H2S (rotton eggs) or Mercaptins.

    They add mercaptins to CH4 (or natural gas) so you can smell it. Easy leak detection and all...

  57. Fraud by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    my feeling is this was pre-planned from the start and they broke no actual laws. They knew what they were doing.

    If they knew from the start what they were doing (taking investors' money and pissing it away), then the law they broke is that against fraud - "A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain". Even if their goal was not to embezzle millions but only to enjoy the easy life for a while and put "Internet start up" on their CV's, it was still fraud if they did it intentionally.

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    1. Re:Fraud by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      Well how do you prove it? The biggest red flag is the site never launched. But you have to look at the VC contract and see what Sprockets was mandated to do. It could have been a very open-ended contract.

      The other thing is Sprockets management may have been in collusion with some elements of the VC team. Otherwise the VC could just come to the office, look at the mess, and appoint their own CEO to take control. I was only there for a month, so I don't know if they got in any trouble, but the claim letter seemed to indicate a successful end to the enterprise.

  58. CNET's list by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think I personally like CNET's list more:

    1. Webvan
    2. Pets.com
    3. Kozmo.com
    4. Flooz.com
    5. eToys.com
    6. Boo.com
    7. MVP.com
    8. Go.com
    9. Kibu.com
    10. GovWorks.com

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    1. Re:CNET's list by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1

      I remember there used to be a company called VA Linux that IPO'd at some absurdly high price (over $300 a share!) and some open source guy bragged about how he was an instant millionaire now. By the time his stock vested it was practically worthless though and he was eating crow. ROFL. I wonder whatever happened to that company. I just looked them up and apparently they're now called VA Software (probably trying to flee angry stockholders) trading at $5 a share.

    2. Re:CNET's list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, go.com was fucking retarded. What was their business model? Give someone a URL at our site, and they'll get to see an ad before seeing the content they wanted! Great idea! I'll get right on that not giving my customers what they want just as soon as I'm done flushing all my money down the toilet. Thanks!

  59. Bubble Burst by kahrytan · · Score: 1


    90s gave birth to many successes and failures in our past but does any one know why many went belly up?

    Does anyone remember Hotline Software? It was supposed to create new way to share files with peers. Hotline Software ended up in a legal battle between the investors and it's creator.

    One of the many successes of the era was Phatgames.com and it's many spawns. It was started by Ben Cathers.

    And did we really learn from our mistakes?

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    1. Re:Bubble Burst by FecesFlingingRhesus · · Score: 1

      Hotline was ahead of its time. It was doing file sharing, instant messaging et al. back in the dark ages of 9600 modems. It was a great product and was as underground as one could get. It is sad that they had their troubles.

    2. Re:Bubble Burst by Tongo · · Score: 1

      I remember using it for a while before it went TU. It really was ahead of it's time. BitTorrent really reminds me of hotline, sorta. I remember trading files on IRC the moved on to hotline. It was a sad dark time between hotline and bit torrent.

  60. Photos/Videos? by antdude · · Score: 1

    No photographs/videos of this in action?

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  61. Does anybody here remember AllAdvantage? by NYTrojan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now that was one of my favorites. You had this little advertizement bar that appeared on the bottom of your screen, and got paid for however many hours it was up. Nevermind that you could run it at night while you slept. You also got additional cash for getting others to sign up under you. My roomate and I put together a little program we called 'TakeAdvantage' that was basically a small gui for breaking what pathetic blocks they put in place to prevent one person from signing themselves up 20 times. hundred dollar checks every month for nothing? Sweet. Whatshotnow was another great one. You got points for filling out surveys, and you could use those points on free junk at their website. Ghostmouse let you fill out surveys (everything is awesome!) for hours at a time while you slept or were at class. I'll never understand how they thought these business models could work. Ditto that with the 'new' Napster.

    1. Re:Does anybody here remember AllAdvantage? by birder · · Score: 1

      I never took full advantage of AllAdvantage but myself and a few friends did get a few checks from them. Thanks AA!

  62. Re:Biggest Internet loser ever? Easy. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Time Warner was bought by AOL, not the other way around. It was an Apple-buys-NeXT type aquisition in the end, in the sense that ultimately the TW people took over AOL, but it was AOL's money given to TW shareholders, not vice-versa.

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  63. Waitrose by gzunk · · Score: 1

    and are owned by the John Lewis Partnership

  64. Busts by certel · · Score: 1

    Surprisingly, that's not as many big busts as I thought their would be.

  65. SLB buys sema by Pastis · · Score: 1

    Schlumberger bought Sema in Feb 2001 for 5.2B$ and sold it in Sep 2003 for 1.5 B$.

        -3.7 B$ in 2.5 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlumberger_Limited

  66. Before the time... by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    Keeping in mind this was while the mac was still just a 'macintosh' and the only product with the name 'pod' in it was a multi-million dollar NASA project. If only they could have seen ahead to how good that name really is when applied to the consumer-whore public.

    -M

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    1. Re:Before the time... by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Umm, no it wasn't. The first iMac was introduced in 1998. The iSmell (along with a bjillion other products beginning with a lowercase i) was introduced in 1999.

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  67. Wow, the WSJ is annoying. by atomic_toaster · · Score: 1

    First it takes you to a Flash ad, then you get sent directly to the main page instead of to the article... Screw this for a lark. Here's the full article, without all of the annoyances:

    The Best of the Worst
    By KATHERINE MEYER
    May 3, 2006

    What were they thinking?

    The Internet spawned so many weird gizmos and bad business ideas that mocking dot-com duds became something of a sport in the post-bubble era. But some ideas still stand out for pure silliness. These are products and services that attracted lots of publicity -- and, in some cases, millions of dollars in funding -- before folding.

    In the earlier days of the Web, "nobody seemed to care if there was a real business there," said Alan Meckler, chief executive of Jupitermedia Corp. and Internet industry pundit.

    If It Seems Too Good to Be True

    Take CyberRebate.com, which thought it could make money by giving stuff away for free. The online retailer, founded in 1998, sold an assortment of goods at heavily marked up prices (some items going for up to 10 times their retail values), but promised customers a hefty rebate that often amounted to 100% of the purchase price.

    For example, CyberRebate charged about $1,100 for a 13-inch RCA television that normally retailed for a few hundred dollars. Buyers could get a full refund of the purchase price as long as they jumped through some hoops -- rebate forms had to be submitted by a deadline, and checks came 10 to 14 weeks later. CyberRebate banked on the idea that some percentage of buyers would forget to fill out the rebate form, or fail to do so in time, leaving the company to pocket the money.

    But selling items at such wildly inflated prices just about guaranteed customers would go out of their way to get their rebates, quickly sinking CyberRebate into heavy debt. The company, founded by law school student Joel Granik, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in May 2001, listing liabilities of $83.4 million. Much of that debt was owed to consumers who were promised rebates but hadn't received them.

    Both Mr. Granik and his business partner, Joseph Lichter, settled with the Federal Trade Commission for $40,000 in August 2004 and were barred from running a rebate-based business. Some rebate claimants eventually received partial reimbursement of about nine cents for every dollar, according to a statement on CyberRebate's Web site.

    Money Matters

    Then there was Flooz.com, which tried to create a form of digital currency. Similar to the also-ill-fated Beenz.com, users could purchase "flooz" and give it to others as a sort of virtual gift certificate. Flooz could only be spent at participating online retailers, which included BarnesandNoble.com and J. Crew.

    The company managed to raise over $50 million in funding from 1999-2001 and even signed on comedian Whoopi Goldberg as a celebrity spokeswoman before bad times hit.

    According to Flooz founder and Chief Executive Robert Levitan, who previously co-founded women's Web site iVillage, the beginning of the end came in spring 2001. That's when Flooz's corporate clients began to cut back on orders for gift certificates to be used in promotional giveaways -- a revenue stream Flooz was counting on -- amid the softening economy. Then a ring of thieves in Russia and the Philippines charged about $300,000 in Flooz to stolen credit cards. The online piggy bank officially declared itself broke in August 2001.

    Several other online-payment companies also failed, though PayPal survived, largely because it positioned itself as a money-transfer service. PayPal's offerings became particularly popular with online auction users, and that company was acquired by eBay Inc. in 2002.

    "I would have wanted a different outcome," said Mr. Levitan, who has since moved on to start-up Pando Networks Inc., which aims to simplify the sen

  68. Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Best of the Worst
    By KATHERINE MEYER
    May 3, 2006

    What were they thinking?

    The Internet spawned so many weird gizmos and bad business ideas that mocking dot-com duds became something of a sport in the post-bubble era. But some ideas still stand out for pure silliness. These are products and services that attracted lots of publicity -- and, in some cases, millions of dollars in funding -- before folding.

    In the earlier days of the Web, "nobody seemed to care if there was a real business there," said Alan Meckler, chief executive of Jupitermedia Corp. and Internet industry pundit.

    If It Seems Too Good to Be True

    Take CyberRebate.com, which thought it could make money by giving stuff away for free. The online retailer, founded in 1998, sold an assortment of goods at heavily marked up prices (some items going for up to 10 times their retail values), but promised customers a hefty rebate that often amounted to 100% of the purchase price.

    For example, CyberRebate charged about $1,100 for a 13-inch RCA television that normally retailed for a few hundred dollars. Buyers could get a full refund of the purchase price as long as they jumped through some hoops -- rebate forms had to be submitted by a deadline, and checks came 10 to 14 weeks later. CyberRebate banked on the idea that some percentage of buyers would forget to fill out the rebate form, or fail to do so in time, leaving the company to pocket the money.

    But selling items at such wildly inflated prices just about guaranteed customers would go out of their way to get their rebates, quickly sinking CyberRebate into heavy debt. The company, founded by law school student Joel Granik, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in May 2001, listing liabilities of $83.4 million. Much of that debt was owed to consumers who were promised rebates but hadn't received them.

    Both Mr. Granik and his business partner, Joseph Lichter, settled with the Federal Trade Commission for $40,000 in August 2004 and were barred from running a rebate-based business. Some rebate claimants eventually received partial reimbursement of about nine cents for every dollar, according to a statement on CyberRebate's Web site.

    Money Matters

    Then there was Flooz.com, which tried to create a form of digital currency. Similar to the also-ill-fated Beenz.com, users could purchase "flooz" and give it to others as a sort of virtual gift certificate. Flooz could only be spent at participating online retailers, which included BarnesandNoble.com and J. Crew.

    The company managed to raise over $50 million in funding from 1999-2001 and even signed on comedian Whoopi Goldberg as a celebrity spokeswoman before bad times hit.

    According to Flooz founder and Chief Executive Robert Levitan, who previously co-founded women's Web site iVillage, the beginning of the end came in spring 2001. That's when Flooz's corporate clients began to cut back on orders for gift certificates to be used in promotional giveaways -- a revenue stream Flooz was counting on -- amid the softening economy. Then a ring of thieves in Russia and the Philippines charged about $300,000 in Flooz to stolen credit cards. The online piggy bank officially declared itself broke in August 2001.

    Several other online-payment companies also failed, though PayPal survived, largely because it positioned itself as a money-transfer service. PayPal's offerings became particularly popular with online auction users, and that company was acquired by eBay Inc. in 2002.

    "I would have wanted a different outcome," said Mr. Levitan, who has since moved on to start-up Pando Networks Inc., which aims to simplify the sending of email attachments. "But I am proud of what we accomplished."

    The Sweet Smell of iSmell

    The "iSmell," a product created by the now-defunct Digiscents Inc. in 1999, promised to enhance the Web surfing experience by engaging users' senses of smell.

    By plugging iSmell into the computer through a USB port, the device would generate diffe

  69. My Mom sends me groceries using peapod by dildo · · Score: 1

    Me: Hey Mom... I'm poor as hell right now and need some help.
    Mom (Thinking that sending money may be a bad idea): I'll send you a peapod and get you through the month.
    Me: Oh dude, thank you so much, I was just busy boiling my shoe leather to try and see if it would provide sustanence....

    A day or so later, a whole giant load of macaroni and cheese, milk, eggs, and spaghetti appears. Not luxury, but enough to get by on.

    Go peapod! My poverty would be a little less tolerable without you (and my mom.)

    1. Re:My Mom sends me groceries using peapod by nytes · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't she just toss the stuff to you down the basement stairs like the rest of our moms do?

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    2. Re:My Mom sends me groceries using peapod by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Go moms!

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  70. Yeah, their alternatives do indeed suck! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
    A friend also requested a large bag of pasta and received a cucumber!!!

    Me, I recently ordered a cucumber, a banana, and a sausage, but got 3 dildoes instead!

  71. The problem with iSmell by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

    The problem is that they added the popular "i" (for internet) like other people did, but this made their product sound like "I Smell."p.What they should have done is add the OTHE popular geeky letter, "e" for "electronic"... then it would have been the SmellE.

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  72. Re:Waste of time posting JavaScript only links !!# by cdn-programmer · · Score: 1

    I could not find where M$ suggest surfing with JS disabled. Can you post a link?

  73. Just do what I do. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    I just grow my own :)
    Actually I do find gardening a lot of fun and the food does taste better. Of course I live in Florida so some things are really easy to grow. Want any limes? While some things like lettuce will only grow in the winter :)
    The town I live in well over 100,000 people but it is also spread out so no one delivers anything. On the good side we do have Publix which tends to have good products and are one of the 100 best companies in US to work for. The also have a good selection of organic and ethnic foods. Heck they even have okay sushi at some of the stores.
    I actually went to one grocery store in the UK when I was on a trip. It was okay. The big thing I remember is they sold 3 liter bottles of coke which I had never seen in the US and the Kit-Kat bars where a strange shape.

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  74. Greedy Greedy Greedy by Uosdwis · · Score: 1

    PointCast, launched in 1996, reportedly spurned an offer from News Corp. -- which wanted to buy the start-up for up to $450 million -- in hopes of making it big
    True, hindsight is 20/20 but really $450M isn't big enough? How would you make more than that in an IPO? No wonder most companies went bust. Stupid kids.

  75. Yet another item for the list... by starX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lists of dotcom era flops. How many times will this issue come up in every major publication? It's kind of like "I love the (variable decade)" on VH1; the occaisional trip down memory lane is enjoyable, but it seems like we have another one of these every few months. Is there some sort of underlying psychological problem whereby we have to convince ourselves that these ideas were bad? It's kind of like we're all trying to convince ourselves that we're better off, despite the economic down turn, because we don't have as many silly ideas kicking around.

  76. at least VA software is still rockin! by BugDoomBug · · Score: 0

    In 2000 they were around $250 per share..... and today

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=LNUX&t=my

    (in at 1.78 btw)

  77. Re:Waste of time posting JavaScript only links !!# by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

    It's worse than that. I get this huge interstitial ad page that's Flash-only. There is no Flash plugin so far as I can find for AMD64 on Linux, so I simply cannot view the site.

    --Joe
  78. The problem with extortion as a business model... by mbessey · · Score: 1

    The PointCast business model in a nutshell:
    Provide free client software for download, that maintains a constant connection to the PointCast service, even (especially) when the machine is otherwise idle. When the constant traffic from all of these (unattended) machines brings a corporate network to its knees, offer the victim an "enterprise server" product that caches the PointCast traffic locally, thereby restoring their external network bandwidth to what it was before. Oh, and while you're at it, charge your customers many thousands of dollars for this "service".

    Or, if your IT department is at all on the ball, they just block access to PointCast, and remove the software from all machines in the company. I gotta tell you, selling an expensive "solution" to a problem your company created isn't going to get you in the good graces of corporate clients.

  79. Link to MS recommendations for browsing security by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    Try here.. I believe #1, "Set Internet Explorer security level to High" is the recommendation that disables JavaScript.

    Use the power of the market. Browse without ActiveX, use ffox's javascript restrictions, refuse to take cookies for anything but shopping-cart sites, use flashblock. That makes it profitable to build better websites, and helps run the crappy websites that require bad security on the user PC go out of business. You can be part of the solution, and all you have to do is ignore shitty sites!

  80. Re:Link to MS recommendations for browsing securit by Acc7 · · Score: 1

    Here Here !!!! Totally Agree !!!! :)

    But even the MS link above actually wants two JS accesses allowed ??? Strange that Logic and Consistancy do not seem to apply very many places, isn't it??

    :(

  81. Cars Direct is still around by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    I bought a car (BMW Z3) through them during their initial period (when they still did everything themselves) and got the car for a good bit less than invoice. Since it was a car with no rebates and a low manufacturer to dealer kickback, I got a pretty good deal. What I really liked: I went to the dealership to pick up my car and signed two pieces of paper and drove off. I spent about 20 minutes there, and ten of them were devoted to the "talk-through" in the car where they explain all the features.

    I was in the market for another car last summer and checked them out again. As you surmise, they are more of a dealer referral site now. However, they will still give you an upfront quote and handle all the paperwork. We wound up buying our PT cruiser through Cars Direct, and again paid under invoice. Of course it wasn't as good a deal as the first time around (because Daimler/Chrysler has significant kickbacks).

    Anyway, if you want to buy a new car, and want to get in and out of the dealership in minimum time without the hassle of negotiating, it's not a bad bet. (Note: I'm not affiliated with Cars Direct in any way, just a satisfied customer.)

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  82. my favorite dot com flop... by akahige · · Score: 1

    ...was Eazel. They went through $20 million and all they ended up with was a semi-decent file manager and a building full of used Aerons.

  83. Ah, the good old days. by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
    Man, my first 2-3 years of college were great. Constant $10 off any purchase of $10 or more certificates from Buy.com (got lots of free CDs that way). Some website that would refund you $45 on any $75 purhcase at B&N.com... There was just free shit flowing from every ethernet drop. Of course it couldn't last, but what a great couple of years.

    I still shed a tear when I think about the demise of Kozmo, though. Now THAT was a great service. A movie and a pint of Ben & Jerry's right to your door, whenever you wanted. *sigh*

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  84. We Europeans fucked up too! by theolein · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wasn't only an American phenomenon. I worked in a Dotcom in Germany back then where our biggest customer was a German company My Media. Innovative, eh? They burned through 200 million in two years (We built a health and lifestyle portal for them) by holding business meetings on chartered yachts in the Seychelles. When they went down, so did we.

    They final month before the office was vacated saw the guys smoking weed in front of the webcam, my boss doing coke in the toilets and our isp bill at enormous rates as the guys spent the whole day downloading stuff from Napster and fighting with the sysadmin who was trying to save a bankrupt company from losing even more money.

  85. The best part about it by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    The best part about it is that we can still do the same things only on a shoestring budget. Lot's of ideas floating about and lot's of interest groups implementing them as spinoffs and after-hour projects.

    And it's nearly as much fun. :-)

    That's the big upside of IT and open source. It costs nothing and evolves so quickly that stuff costing millions a few years ago are available as a free Web 2.0 solution nowadays. The Age of Cyberpunk, that's what it is.

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  86. Hey, where's my company? by phamlen · · Score: 1

    Okay, let's see a show of hands of all those people who read this article just to see if their employer was listed. I'm a little disappointed that my company wasn't quite bad enough to be listed as an all-time worst.

    My favorite memory is keeping a list of what a single share of our stock was worth. At one point, it was worth a decent bottle of wine ... then a good glass of wine at a bar ... then a cheap beer ... then a Big Mac... and finally 10 of them could buy something off the Dollar menu. :)

    -Peter

  87. Wow by gelfling · · Score: 1

    The Museum of Bad Ideas. Special Craptastic exhibit for a limited run.

  88. Hell yeah i loved GetPaid 2 surf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gah, i remember paid to surf, remember like it was yesterday.. AllAdvantage pioneered the biz back in 1999, when i was 12. I used programs like MyAdvantage that moved the mouse and surfed the web for me while i slept.. It was awesome getting checks every month for not doing antyhing. Then Emulators came out and you could emulate 100 accounts at time without even having the bar on your screen, just a little icon in the systray. AA spawned a bunch of other companies, like CashFiesta, DesktopDollars, GetPaid4, Spedia, Paid2Surf, CoolWallstreet, Weegoo, Dollar Web many many more.. I made emulators and referral generators in VB to get as much as i could..

    Then came DimeClicks, Allclicks, CJ, BeFree, those Get Paid to Click websites.. Host banners on your site and get users to click.. Just emulate impressions with proxies and then emulate Clicks the same way.. got lots of cash and checks from dime-clicks.. There were whole #chans on IRC dedicated to cheating Paid2Surf and PaidToClick... like #cheatzrus #soa #soangels.. mmmm nostalgia haha

    well most of the companies arent alive anymore, or if they are they are hard to cheat.. you can probably cheat the porn websites. ha. but there is one good thing that came out of it.. i learned to program and loved it..

  89. worth it just for the domain name... by Thud457 · · Score: 1
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  90. invest now! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Online grocery shopping & delivery will take off like a scared rocket once bird flu hits our shores.

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  91. 800.com by barnyard99 · · Score: 1

    I personally loved 800.com. I think they singlehandedly got me about 50 dvd's for free with no rebates and free shipping. More.com was another favorite. Buy any item and get free shipping. I'll have a pack of gum please.

  92. What about beenz.com? by zummit · · Score: 1

    Wasn't beeenz.com supposed to be the new online currency? [I might have that name/domain wrong - but it was something about beenx with a Z].

  93. Why by xihr · · Score: 1

    Why is this kind of story so popular? How many times has a similar list of embarassing dot com failures shown up on Slashdot already? Three or four times?

  94. Haggle with robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a shopping site a while back, I suppose trying to have some unique twist to attract customers, would sell all of their items massively overpriced but you could haggle with a robot thing(a chat bot I guess) and if you were lucky you could get prices slightly higher than those on Amazon.

    I wish I remembered what the name was, I doubt it's still around though. I think I found out about it in an old Wired magazine.

  95. I agree by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    When I discovered this I was in high school. I worked as a office guy in our Navy ROTC unit mostly doing secretarial sort of bs.

    I installed that on all 4 of the computers in our office and it was a big hit. These retired Navy guys liked watching the int'l events page and their stocks on the screen. It was quite interesting.

    Now adays though I just don't care as much. "Too Much Information" has a real world meaning to me now :-(

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