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Hans Reiser in Court Today

An anonymous reader writes "Hans Reiser has pled not guilty to murdering his wife and invoked his right to a speedy trial. He will attend a hearing today where the judge will decide if the state has a case " We had covered this story back when it had first broke; and for those of you playing catch-up, Hans is the author of ReiserFS.

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  1. Thank you media by suso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for not blowing this up to Scott Peterson level.

    This just goes to show you that stuff like this happens all the time that never gets seen in national media.

    1. Re:Thank you media by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally I like the fact that national media leaves a lot of local stories uncovered. It gives the accused a chance to have an unbiased jury, though a change of venue may be required. If they're cleared, the minimal media slam means they can rebuild elsewhere after the page 2 apologies fails to change the minds of those who "know" they're guilty.

      Papparatzi chasing famous people while they make fools of themselves in public is one thing. That same mentality destroying careers on the basis of accusation instead of conviction is not what "freedom of speech" was ever about.

      Canadian courts typically restrict publication from the initial hearing onwards. The only time you see further information is if the defense is making preliminary statements about their planned approach, especially if they expect to raise constitutional or human rights issues. That serves to warn the bar that there may be a precedence case coming up.

      I hope the accusations turn out false, but Hans' infamous temper isn't going to help him with this argument.

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    2. Re:Thank you media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Thank you media for not blowing this up to Scott Peterson level.

      Reiser's wife probrably wasn't as attractive as Laci Peterson. The media only showcases good looking victims.

    3. Re:Thank you media by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reiser's wife probrably wasn't as attractive as Laci Peterson. The media only showcases good looking victims.

      Other factors:

      Laci was pregnant. Laci went missing on Christmas Eve (I believe). Laci had a lot of friends and a large family, all of whom coordinated a media blitz.

    4. Re:Thank you media by NoTheory · · Score: 1

      Uhh...

      Also Lacie Peterson was murdered a week before christmas and was 8 months pregnant. See the distinction? Lacie Peterson's family organized a whole bunch of people to go out and look for her prior to a holiday (when people are feeling particularly helpful).

      I would have to say that these were the primary things that garnered so much attention for the peterson trial, not the defendant's particularly despicable character :P

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    5. Re:Thank you media by NoTheory · · Score: 1

      Never the less, even if low new coverage is preferential, which incidentally, i don't believe is the case (as murder investigations go in two phases, discovery then prosecution, the initial part of the investigation definitely benefits from having more eyeballs looking for the victim), a look at the system that selectively picks which stories to investigate does give an interesting view into the biases that the system possesses. And in this case indicates that racism is alive and well.

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    6. Re:Thank you media by jjn1056 · · Score: 1

      Actually I wouldn't blame the media on regarding Laci Peterson overload. It was her parents that hired a PR group to sensationalize the case because they thought it was the best way to get the police to take swift action. We are seeing this more and more lately, some rich kid on vacation disappears and his/her parents drop a wad hiring PR and media relations experts to sensationalize the case on the assumption that exposure will embarrass the police or local politicians to take quicker action.

      Of course the media falls for the bait, but in truth they are just responding to our cultures desire for sensational news stories. This kind of thing drives ratings and ratings rule the media. If we all just stopped watching they'd change overnight. It just seems we like to both watch and complain about it. I guess it gives us something to complain about in a way that seems to absolve us of responsibility.

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    7. Re:Thank you media by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      As of December 4,2006 there were 142 murders in Oakland, CA, this is the city where Han Reiser lives in and no one is getting a media frenzy over the 141 other murders.

      Well, I wouldn't say the media is much concerned with this one either, unless you count slashdot. And that's only because he made a filesystem.

      Though to consider your question more broadly - let's consider murders that get attention. First, eliminate all "mundane crime" related murders. All burglaries, gang crime, stuff like that. Happens all the time, there's no plot, no one cares about the next one. But when it comes to spousal murder, murder of kids, etc, I'd say the media in most areas will report on that, at least for a while. A friend of mine is a reporter for a TV station in a city of a few hundred thousand people, and she and her station cover murders fairly frequently.

    8. Re:Thank you media by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      Reiser's wife probably wasn't as attractive as Laci Peterson. The media only showcases good looking victims.

            She was attractive, but she wasn't as young and bubbly and pregnant on Christmas Eve when she disappeared. Some stories just tug at people's hearts.

        rd

    9. Re:Thank you media by blindpoetx · · Score: 1

      As far as I am concerned, slashdot is one of the top national media outlets.

    10. Re:Thank you media by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Well, it's probably got the most educated audience from the widest variety of sectors. Computers and techies are everywhere.

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    11. Re:Thank you media by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      > And in this case indicates that racism is alive and well.

      Reiser and his late wife were both white. So ... no.

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    12. Re:Thank you media by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      I had the chance to meet the entire family together several years ago. In person Nina, even exhausted that day, was certainly an attractive woman. Some of the pictures published of her show that; others do not.

    13. Re:Thank you media by NoTheory · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand. I don't mean Reiser's case. I meant the case of the media. The media is a device that gives preferential coverage to young white women. And i might note, it's not just racist, it's got gender bias too. You don't see coverage of missing young men typically either.

      (and just as a point of note Nina Reiser doesn't fit the perfect heart-breaking dramatic news story either, which again, is part of the reason why it wasn't covered as heavily as other missing persons stories)

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  2. Just check the history by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure you'll find that our good friend Hans has no record of this ever taking place.

    1. Re:Just check the history by dattaway · · Score: 1, Funny

      If the file doesn't fit, you must acquit!

    2. Re:Just check the history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      She's in the lost+found. No big deal.

    3. Re:Just check the history by solefald · · Score: 1

      LOL. This is classic

  3. Re:his wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Did they ever find his wife or is she still missing?

    Way to RTFA...
  4. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Who cares about Hans Reisers ran-away-bitch when Hans Reisers filesystem destroyed my 250GByte of porn as soon as the hdd was full?

    There, I said it, reiser4 sucks! That's news for nerds.

    1. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And that sort of comment is probably substantially more controversial than mere allegations that he guy murdered his wife.

  5. We had covered this story... by Picass0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "We had covered this story back when it had first broke; "

    Yet somehow you managed to never run a single story on James Kim.

    1. Re:We had covered this story... by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Who is James Kim?

    2. Re:We had covered this story... by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:We had covered this story... by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's to make up for the fact that digg ran about five stories a day on him, not counting dupes.

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    4. Re:We had covered this story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lemme guess... You're a Digg reader? If so, go away. Yes the James Kim story was very tragic and I feel very much for the family. But based on the idiotic level of commentary that popped up on Digg regarding the story, I think it's better than Slashdot DIDN'T cover the story. Why? Because we'd be getting retards like you trying to use it to make points about god knows what. There were too many people on Digg who spent time talking about how THEY would have NEVER done X, Y, and Z and their families would have been home by dinner time with fresh bear meat. I'm sorry, but taking nature survival classes, knowing how to hunt, or experience on a farm will NOT save you in the situation that James Kim was in. Think about it. He had no idea if help was coming, so he ventured out hoping that he'd be able to make some headway. He TRIED. He probably did it because he didn't want to come off like he didn't know what to do to his family. He wanted to make an effort rather than just sitting there twiddling his thumbs hoping for help that may never come. To be honest, no matter how you look at it, he succeeded in saving his family. He at least knew enough to NOT take his family with him and risk their lives too. And you know what? THEY'RE ALIVE thanks to that decision. He had a 50/50 chance no matter how you look at it and he made the best decision he could under that kind of pressure. So basically, I think all Digg readers should fuck off.

      Regarding Reiser, as much as it pains me, I think I have accepted that unless they can really clear him of the picture painted by the circumstantial evidence, he's up shit creek. If he did kill her, then he deserves it. A lot of arrogant geeks seem to think they are godlike and that they can get away with anything. It's possible that he fits that standard mold to a T. If he didn't do it, then his side had damn well better find proof because that's what it's going to take at this point. The speedy trial thing actually has me worried. While it's something that I believe everyone should be guaranteed, I also know that it's possible that with the right lawyer he could get away with murder on a technicality. That would not be right, but it's not like it hasn't happened before. Crimes of passion can be quite ugly and I think they do throw the perpetrators mentally out of whack for life. If he did do it, he's certainly got internal demons that will follow him for all the days of his life. Sadly, based on his biography, I'd say he seems to be a perfect fit for the type of arrogant geek who thinks they can get away with anything as long as they plan it well enough. That kind of geek needs to be knocked down the entire set of ladder rungs and then have their face ground into the dirt and through the other side of the planet. Maybe then their overinflated egos will be right sized to a humble enough level. Note that I feel I can say this because I AM a geek and I do believe I have limitations which I happily accept.

    5. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's a guy who apparently owned neither a GPS NOR a 406 EPIRB.

      They weren't out hiking in the wilderness as I understand it. They drove down a closed seasonal road by mistake and got stuck.

      Do you carry an EPIRB in your car? I know that I don't.

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    6. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also know that it's possible that with the right lawyer he could get away with murder on a technicality. That would not be right, but it's not like it hasn't happened before.

      Those technicalities that everybody hates so much are what keeps our Government in line. If the police screw up and overstep a warrant or "forget" to Mirandize a suspect then that evidence should be thrown out.

      If defendants couldn't win on "technicalities" then what incentive does the Government have to follow the rules?

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    7. Re:We had covered this story... by oblivionboy · · Score: 1

      This isn't digg, and I don't quite see the connection. And while its tragic everytime anyone dies, the posting for Hans Reiser was originally due to his being mostly responsible for ReiserFS. And since Hans Reiser going to jail or caught up in lengthy court proceedings could impact or affect the future of ReiserFS, it got posted as tech news. .o.

    8. Re:We had covered this story... by Loucks · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you're located, A. C., but here in the USA we subscribe to the theory that a defendant is "innocent until proven guilty." The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, not the other way 'round.

      Loucks

    9. Re:We had covered this story... by jackbird · · Score: 4, Informative

      OJ didn't get off on a technicality, he got off on a gullible jury and an outmatched prosecutor.

    10. Re:We had covered this story... by raynet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, in Finland we don't throw "illegal" evidence out of court. Instead we just punish the person(s) who did this illegal activity. This keeps the government, or representatives of that government, following the rules and doesn't allow criminals to get free on technicality. Ofcourse this just might be a scandinavian thing as we generally don't think that our governments require any extra effort to keep them in line, they seem to do quite well on their own.

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    11. Re:We had covered this story... by slashbob22 · · Score: 1

      That may be true in the court case. In the public's eye you are immediately Guilty until you can prove you are innocent. Media is a strong tool which doesn't follow the same "innocent until proven guilty" mentality.

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    12. Re:We had covered this story... by virtual_mps · · Score: 1
      Well, in Finland we don't throw "illegal" evidence out of court. Instead we just punish the person(s) who did this illegal activity. This keeps the government, or representatives of that government, following the rules and doesn't allow criminals to get free on technicality.

      So in the case of something like a missing chain of custody, you'd use the evidence but prosecute the unknown person who has the missing documentation? Or you'd prosecute all the evidence custodians? The US legal system is a lot more complicated than /. makes it out to believe, and there are various standards for different kinds of cases (criminal vs civil) and the judge has different remediations available depending on the circumstances. But the bottom line is that the standard in a criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt", which means that things that are probably ok--but might not be--can be thrown out. Overall, I'm happy with that system. Everyone knows the rules going in, and any reasonably competent law enforcement type isn't going to get real evidence thrown out on a "technicality".
    13. Re:We had covered this story... by drgonzo59 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wasn't serious when I wrote "Who is James Kim". I just made the point that to the Slashdot geeks, Hans Reiser is more known than James Kim. The complaint was why doesn't Slashdot cover the James Kim story -- well it was already covered pretty well by the media.Slashdot isn't CNN, that is why you don't see news about Palestine and Iraq here unless they have to do with technology. Kim wasn't directly involved with creating technology, just writing on it, so somehow that doesn't interest the nerds as much. If it is not interesting for the nerds, it has no place on Slashdot.

    14. Re:We had covered this story... by djdavetrouble · · Score: 4, Funny

      "We had covered this story back when it had first broke; "

      More HAD please !!!

      (and more cowbell)

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    15. Re:We had covered this story... by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      So in the case of something like a missing chain of custody, you'd use the evidence but prosecute the unknown person who has the missing documentation?
      I think the GP means that in case of something like an illegal search, the evidence would still be admissible. If the evidence is possibly tainted, that's a different case entirely. Sounds like a good idea to me, as long as the penalties are severe enough.
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    16. Re:We had covered this story... by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Informative

      I personally carry an inexpensive Garmin GPS. An old-style one with a B&W LCD that cost me $70.00 US. It takes 2 AA batteries, and I always carry a spare 4 pack of those, plus more in my laptop bag. I NEVER travel without it, as I keep it in my Glove-Box and test it before every trip. That plus a laptop loaded with Google-earth, a 9 cell laptop battery and a power inverter to plug in with, and I just plain don't get lost. If I could afford it I would invest in a Garmin or Tom-Tom Nav system,but I don't have the $600.00 to spend on it.

      My point being that nobody has an excuse to travel without GPS. You don't have to spend hundreds of dollars on a full Nav system, a small handheld GPS is good enough for emergencies. If you can spend $250-$600 US on a freaking GAME CONSOLE, you can spend $100.00 for a handheld GPS. Kim should have had one, we all should when we travel.

      Ultimately, the biggest mistake Kim made was to leave the car. He wasn't stuck off the road or buried in a snow drift, and the car wasn't in any immediate danger. It would have been cold, but with a car full of people to generate body-heat it would have been tolerable. NEVER leave your car in a situation like that unless you are in imminent danger (IE: car fire, car sinking in a lake, avalanche about to bury you, Etc.) Your car is a big shiny chunk of painted metal and glass, MUCH easier to pick out in the snow than your tiny little human body. That, and you can run the engine for brief periods to keep warm, and use the car lights to signal with at night. Make sure your car isn't covered in snow, and keep the tailpipe area well clear of any drifting so you won't asphyxiate on exhaust fumes. Then just sit back and wait for rescue.

      If Kim had done this instead of trekking off into the wilderness he'd be alive today. Now all we can do is mourn him and try to learn from his mistakes.

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    17. Re:We had covered this story... by Kattspya · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If the police does an illegal search the policeman is supposed to be punished but the evidence is still admissible in court. The same goes for a citizen that does say a breaking and entering and uncovers some evidence.

    18. Re:We had covered this story... by Jerf · · Score: 1

      "If it bleeds, it leads."

      If you think you or your preferred social group are immune to that... you're wrong.

    19. Re:We had covered this story... by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      "Do you carry an EPIRB in your car? I know that I don't."

      I've been thinking very seriously about tossing one in my daypack.

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    20. Re:We had covered this story... by s20451 · · Score: 1

      I've been thinking very seriously about tossing one in my daypack.

      Bear in mind that you might be held financially liable for a search if it goes off by accident (your kids playing with it, say). An average search, using aircraft and ground teams, costs in the tens of thousands of dollars. Not to mention the resources that could be taken away from a real emergency that could occur at the same time.

      Being careful, and letting someone trustworthy know your plans and time of return, is good enough for all but the most hard core adventurers. It's all about the relative risk, and I don't see that an EPIRB would reduce risks enough to warrant the cost.

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    21. Re:We had covered this story... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Ultimately, the biggest mistake Kim made was to leave the car.

      No, ultimately, his biggest mistake was to try to get across the Coast Range on Forest Service roads in November. This is stupid whether you have GPS or not. In Oregon, you stick to main roads in winter unless (a) you know the area very well or (b) you have a very urgent reason to be on those roads. And you sure as hell don't drive them at night if you can avoid it.

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    22. Re:We had covered this story... by NoTheory · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Way to go, Sir False Dichotomy.

      Obviously if you believe in due process, then clearly you support O.J. Simpson.

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    23. Re:We had covered this story... by multisync · · Score: 1
      You're a Digg reader? If so, go away.

      retards like you

      So basically, I think all Digg readers should fuck off.


      As you seem to be a fairly regular Digg reader yourself, I think that's excellent advise.

      The original poster notes that a sight whose masthead reads "News for nerds. Stuff that matters" didn't cover the disappearance and death of a high-profile geek, and you puke up this vitriol?

      1. Take your Ritalin.

      2. Go bitch about Digg on Digg.
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    24. Re:We had covered this story... by cloricus · · Score: 2, Informative

      When I did Cadets (think military version of Scouts with rifles...No, not the drunken Scouts) in high school we did a lot of survival training and fielded based exercises. The simple lesson in nearly every scenario that involved a group of less than ten with limited supplies in a remote location (with the assumption that in less than three weeks people would start to look for you) was that you never, ever, ever leave the location you ended up at. If you look at history you'll see this is a strong reality that is repeated over and over...Give in to that urge to try and 'make it on your own' you will simply die.

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    25. Re:We had covered this story... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ultimately, the biggest mistake Kim made was to leave the car. True... However: he already had waited a couple of days before he decided to go an seek help. And that point in time he probably assumed that no help would come, and that he had to get some himself!

      He wasn't stuck off the road or buried in a snow drift, and the car wasn't in any immediate danger. No immediate danger, yes. However, given the time they had already waited they were in danger of running out of food.

      It would have been cold, but with a car full of people to generate body-heat it would have been tolerable. NEVER leave your car in a situation like that unless you are in imminent danger (IE: car fire, car sinking in a lake, avalanche about to bury you, Etc.) Your car is a big shiny chunk of painted metal and glass, MUCH easier to pick out in the snow than your tiny little human body. ... if you know that people are searching, and that they are searching in roughly the right spot. However, once a week has passed, you're allowed to assume that no help will come...

      That, and you can run the engine for brief periods to keep warm, They did, until they ran out of gasoline...

      If Kim had done this instead of trekking off into the wilderness he'd be alive today. Now all we can do is mourn him and try to learn from his mistakes. He had done this for several days, until he assumed that no help would come. Little could he know that help would be there in one more day...
    26. Re:We had covered this story... by terrymr · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about the quality of the circumstantial evidence yet ... there's a world of difference between "couldn't rule out Mrs Reiser as the donor of the blood spatter" and saying that it's actually her blood.

    27. Re:We had covered this story... by jafac · · Score: 1

      A $40 jacket would have helped a lot more.

      I find it depressing that the poor guy only made it 16 miles before he succumbed to hypothermia.

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    28. Re:We had covered this story... by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

      Actually, from what I am understanding, the road was closed & barricaded for the season, but someone opened up the barricades.

    29. Re:We had covered this story... by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      Ultimately, the biggest mistake Kim made was to leave the car. He wasn't stuck off the road or buried in a snow drift, and the car wasn't in any immediate danger.

      Well, he didn't leave the car for 7 days, and by that time the car had run out of gas and they were burning magazines, tires, etc to stay warm. Weatherundergound indicates that it wasn't bitterly cold (low 30s to low 40s), so freezing to death wasn't an immediate concern. But remember that they probbably hadn't eaten much (if anything) for 7 days, and might have had a problem getting water (melting snow takes energy).

      Also, the family was only found because the helicopter pilot saw footprints in the snow (those of James Kim). The footprints lead him to the car of the family. If Kim hadn't gone out to try to find help, the whole family might have died from exposure.

      So, given the same situation are you really sure you'd just sit around forever and hope that you're rescued? I'm not sure I would have.

      I'd say his biggest mistake was turning onto the road in the first place. It's never a good idea to take backroads in the winter, especially when you're unfamiliar with the area. His second mistake was probbably just not being dressed for the weather. It wasn't really bitterly cold that day, so if he had some boots, a warm jacket and some gloves he might have been able to survive the cold and walked to a road and flagged someone down. (Which reminds me I should stash a hat and gloves in my car).

      The guy who thinks that high-tech would have saved him might be right, but it's much cheaper, easier, and reliable to just stash some warm clothes in your car. They'll also be usefull when you're just plain cold.

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    30. Re:We had covered this story... by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      "Bear in mind that you might be held financially liable for a search if it goes off by accident (your kids playing with it, say). An average search, using aircraft and ground teams, costs in the tens of thousands of dollars. Not to mention the resources that could be taken away from a real emergency that could occur at the same time."

      That's not a valid reason to deprive oneself of the added protection. When YOU need it, YOU need it, and neurotic fears about "What if the kids trip it", etc, don't help.

      If he was flying a plane over the same route, this wouldn't even be an issue, as he would have had adequate survival gear.

      "It's all about the relative risk, and I don't see that an EPIRB would reduce risks enough to warrant the cost."

      The life of my family is worth more to me than the thousand dollars?

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    31. Re:We had covered this story... by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      Acutally if Kim was motivated by what you said - he was a bigger fool than hero. After seeing upteen rescues in Colorado's high country, the first thing they tell you to do in the back-country is STAY WITH THE CAR. It makes for easier air tracking along roads and is easier to spot from the air than a person on foot under a canopy of trees. If he really let ego drive him to trek out on foot, then it's ego that wound up getting him killed.

    32. Re:We had covered this story... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, but taking nature survival classes, knowing how to hunt, or experience on a farm will NOT save you in the situation that James Kim was in. Think about it. He had no idea if help was coming, so he ventured out hoping that he'd be able to make some headway.

      If he had taken nature survival classes, he would have known not to start out walking through the snow in light clothes by himself. He'd probably have buried most of the car in snow for insulation and then stayed there with his family. Packed in snow (with some sort of sign made outside) they'd have stayed warm without running the car, if they huddled together.

      Not to mention that you shouldn't even drive through the snow without carrying clothing for the snow. What if the car just breaks down? And then on top of that, perhaps he would have been smart enough to know that some fucked up road in bumfuck nowhere, oregon, would probably be impassable in winter.

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    33. Re:We had covered this story... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In the US, if a private citizen gathers evidence illegally, it is still admissible. It's only not admissible if they were incited to gather it by a cop, or if a cop gathered it illegally.

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    34. Re:We had covered this story... by jafac · · Score: 1

      in Finland we don't throw "illegal" evidence out of court. Instead we just punish the person(s) who did this illegal activity.

      This sounds like a much better approach.

      In the US, if a professional truck driver breaks the speed limit, he is ticketed by police, and suffers the consequences of breaking the law during the performance of his duties.

      If a professional cop breaks the law - the criminal goes free. That's just ass-backwards, and WORSE, it drives the public's sense that the system is broken, and that we should just do away with rights (instead of incompetent or crooked cops).

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    35. Re:We had covered this story... by glsunder · · Score: 1

      I'm sure this is a stupid question because I didn't follow the story that closely, but did they have a cell phone? If so, we're they not able to get a signal?

    36. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Ofcourse this just might be a scandinavian thing as we generally don't think that our governments require any extra effort to keep them in line, they seem to do quite well on their own.

      Americans by in large don't trust our Government. Part of that is a product of recent times but it's also rooted in our history. Our Founding Fathers overthrew an oppressive Government that denied citizens the basic rights that they were supposed to have. For this reason they were disinclined to be trusting of any Government -- even one that they themselves setup.

      It's quite an impressive feat actually. George Washington could have been a dictator for life and he willingly gave up power. How many modern, revolutionaries can say that? How many of them have voluntarily given up power?

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    37. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      If a professional cop breaks the law - the criminal goes free. That's just ass-backwards, and WORSE, it drives the public's sense that the system is broken, and that we should just do away with rights (instead of incompetent or crooked cops).

      And who is going to charge the cop with breaking the law? The District Attorney? The same DA that eats lunch with the cops, tries their cases, relies on them to gather evidence and who just convicted a criminal because of the law breaking cop? You don't see a problem here?

      I'm as disgusted as anyone when the cops screw up (and make no mistake -- more often then not it's an honest screw-up and not a deliberate violation of the law) but allowing evidence illegally obtained to be used against defendants is a slippery slope.

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    38. Re:We had covered this story... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1
      Yet somehow you managed to never run a single story on James Kim.
      Who's James Kim and what has he done for open source and free software?
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    39. Re:We had covered this story... by terrymr · · Score: 1

      Doesn't work for me. The purpose of the law (in the USA anyway) is to stop the government from performing illegal searches, if the government can still use illegally obtained evidence then there's no incentive to obey the law.

    40. Re:We had covered this story... by nomadic · · Score: 1

      who spent time talking about how THEY would have NEVER done X, Y, and Z and their families would have been home by dinner time with fresh bear meat. I'm sorry, but taking nature survival classes, knowing how to hunt, or experience on a farm will NOT save you in the situation that James Kim was in.

      I think a lot of slashdotters have issues regarding masculinity and they try to overcompensate. Most of them are in ultrasedentary careers, so they try to cop a macho attitude online that isn't really that convincing.

    41. Re:We had covered this story... by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1
      Ultimately, the biggest mistake Kim made was to leave the car. He wasn't stuck off the road or buried in a snow drift, and the car wasn't in any immediate danger. It would have been cold, but with a car full of people to generate body-heat it would have been tolerable. NEVER leave your car in a situation like that unless you are in imminent danger (IE: car fire, car sinking in a lake, avalanche about to bury you, Etc.)

      You've overlooked a couple things. First, he had followed that strategy for nine days and it had not worked. That's a long time--searches are often called off by then. He had to assume that there was no longer an organized search, and ending up like DeWitt Finley was a realy possibility. Finley got lost in the same general area in 1994, and sat in the cab of his pickup awaiting rescue, for NINE WEEKS, finally dying of starvation. 4 months after he died, his truck and body were found. There was also the Stivers family case. They spent 16 days stuck in that area, and were not found by searchers. They had a portable television, and so were able to learn that the search had been called off. They were rescued only after they hiked out to get help.

      Second, they had a baby and a small child, who are at more risk than the adults, putting a limit on how long they can wait.

      Third, between where they were coming from and where they were going, there are a lot of places one could go missing. It was winter all the way. They could just as easily have been in an overturned car down an embankment off the side of I5 somewhere, anywhere between Seattle and San Francisco. They had no reason to assume searchers were looking anywhere near where they were.

      Fourth, the helicopter pilot that finally found the car actually spotted footprints in the snow, and followed them back to the car. If those were James Kim's footprints, then if he had stayed with the car, it might not have been found when it was.

      According to the various survival experts I've seen interviewed, the majority are saying stay with your car, because it will usually be found within a couple of days and it provides shelter--but there comes a point where you have to realize you aren't going to be found and then you do have to head out to find help yourself.

    42. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      If Kim had done this instead of trekking off into the wilderness he'd be alive today. Now all we can do is mourn him and try to learn from his mistakes.

      Not to sound harsh but if he had bothered to carry the correct gear in his car then he'd still be alive today. I live in Upstate New York, where our winters are mild and we have civilization (compared to the Oregon wilderness) and I still make a point of carrying the following in my car during winter:

      • Blankets/sleeping bag (keep warm when you run out of gas/break down).
      • Shovel (dig the car out on your own)
      • Some candy bars (cheap source of carbs that don't go bad easily -- nothing tastes better then a two year old snickers bar when you are starving to death)
      • Water (obvious)
      • Flares (signal for help)
      • Matches and some fire starters.
      • Set of tools, jumper cables, etc, etc. All the stuff you need to fix minor problems yourself.
      • A good flashlight with a change of batteries.
      • Old pair of good boots (I won't be trekking through the woods in my dress shoes...)
      • Some other old clothes.... Anything you can toss in the car to dress in layers. I carry a couple of old sweaters, two pairs of socks and a pair of long johns.
      • An old backpack to carry all of your gear and enough food if you need to leave the car and find help.
      • Compass and maps.

      I can fit all of this gear in my compact car without taking up too much room. I don't even live in anything that could be called wilderness and I still take these precautions. I'll have the supplies to wait for help and the gear to find it on my own/get into cell service range (without dying from exposure) should the need arise.

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    43. Re:We had covered this story... by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      I've traveled that road before. It's clearly marked "Closed in Winter" on my AAA maps. Although it was mentioned that he may have exclusively used GPS for navigation.

      Interesting that you brought up covering your car in snow and sticking a sign out. The snow would have covered the sign up pretty quickly, right? About 10 years ago, some other guy died on the same road when he got snowbound in his RV and trapped in the snow. He died from starvation 66 days later, but kept a diary of his ordeal. (Too lazy to google for exact details, just regurging what I heard on the news).

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    44. Re:We had covered this story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "If a professional cop breaks the law - the criminal goes free. That's just ass-backwards, and WORSE, it drives the public's sense that the system is broken, and that we should just do away with rights (instead of incompetent or crooked cops)."

      The ALLEGED criminal goes free. It's not ass backwards, and you CANNOT FAIRLY claim it to be, because those cases never make it to court; you have NO IDEA what the rest of the evidence is or may be, and most likely have based your current assessment of said "criminal" based on the PR campaign or some half-assed news coverage by our dear, intelligent, fair and balanced US media.

      Also, the claim that if a cop breaks the law, the evidence is gone is patently FALSE. It may or may not be; fruit of the tree I believe is the standard. If the evidence would have been gathered in due course, it can be included, and a judge decides that standard (as they rightly should) if the DA presents it.

      The fact is, you've already shown that you do not know enough about the US criminal justice system to be really commenting about the ills of the system. You also seem to be sorely lacking in understanding that if you let criminality form the police system, then the repurcussions trounce the judicial process--police would end up torturing suspects, and we've already had this debate when it comes to 'terrorists' (not to mention watched the definition of such change in the last 5-6 years).

      Not to mention, you presented a rather ridiculous argument--if a professional cop screws up, the evidence should be tossed unless it would have been gathered by some other legal way in due course. Do your job incorrectly, there are and ought to be repercussions. If a doctor screws up, they open themselves up to a tort claim. If a data entry person screws up, they can be fired.

      Still, you want the evidence included? The public already is on a pro-police, pro-victims rights bent. The police can place your face in the dirt legally in PA for simply not following their instructions, even if you are not even the suspect (as happened in West Hempfield, Lancaster County, PA, when a person was pulled over for a suspected DUI, and the passenger was inebriated). Open this door as you like, and we'll see how fast the exodus of people from the US occurs; you can already examine what occurred in PA in the past 10 years (and still is although they've stemmed the flow); you'd acknowledge hunting season for racial minorities, beatings to get confessions, no Miranda warnings, police deceit (oh, sorry, that's already legal in the US; the cops can lie to you to get a confession), etc.

      You want to live in that sort of country? I sure as hell don't.

    45. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I personally carry an inexpensive Garmin GPS. An old-style one with a B&W LCD that cost me $70.00 US. It takes 2 AA batteries, and I always carry a spare 4 pack of those, plus more in my laptop bag. I NEVER travel without it, as I keep it in my Glove-Box and test it before every trip. That plus a laptop loaded with Google-earth, a 9 cell laptop battery and a power inverter to plug in with, and I just plain don't get lost. If I could afford it I would invest in a Garmin or Tom-Tom Nav system,but I don't have the $600.00 to spend on it.

      You'd do better to carry some old blankets and sweaters (total cost:

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    46. Re:We had covered this story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except that they only found James family by following the tracks he left in the snow back to them from the air.

      If he hadn't attempted to go for help, no tracks would have been left, they would still be looking for the family and they would have all been dead.

      He saved their lives at the cost of his own.

      The distance he went over a 2 day period in those conditions was super human as well. After having not eaten for a week, in freezing cold temperatures, through very rugged, snow covered terrain the man went 16 miles. The last day he would have been wet and slowly freezing to death.

    47. Re:We had covered this story... by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      According to the news reports (listening on and off), Kim's problem was that he ONLY used GPS for navigation, instead of a paper map. GPS did not tell him that the road was closed for the winter. He took that road because GPS told him it was the shortest route to his next destination.

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    48. Re:We had covered this story... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but taking nature survival classes, knowing how to hunt, or experience on a farm will NOT save you in the situation that James Kim was in.

      I hope I don't come across like a troll, but when I was a Boy Scout, I do remember them telling us if we ever find ourselves lost to stay put as long as possible unless in immediate danger.

      As far as I remember this was due to the fact that if you travel, you risk being injured or suffer from hypothermia or dehydration.

      Would I remember this if I were ever lost? Maybe if I didn't panic, but I would have no idea.

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    49. Re:We had covered this story... by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Being a father myself, I found the James Kim story particularly heart-wrenching. The urge to do SOMETHING for your family would have been absolutely overwhelming. The Kims did so much right (burning the tires), and so much wrong (driving unfamiliar roads in heavy snow). If there is one thing the average person might carry away from this tragedy, there is an expensive but manageable solution that would have saved the Kims in hours: a personal locator beacon. Detected by geo-stationary satellites and located by low-earth orbitting satellites, the PLB's distress signal can be pin-pointed within several meters in just 30 minutes and emits a low-frequency homing beacon to guide rescue crews to you. The beacon must be registered (with NOAA I believe) so that the authorities know who is in trouble. If you've got a family to protect and you'll be on roads you don't know in weather unfavorable to navigation, you owe it to yourself to have one of these.

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    50. Re:We had covered this story... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, making the sign is the weakest part of my plan. On the other hand, walking around and dying of exposure is pretty weak too. My first plan is to not try to take a car on a road I have no business driving it on.

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    51. Re:We had covered this story... by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Close, but the main thing that got OJ off was this:

      Mark Fuhrman: I've never used the "n-word".

      Audiotape of Mark Fuhrman: "n-word".

    52. Re:We had covered this story... by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you never, ever, ever leave the location you ended up at. If you look at history you'll see this is a strong reality that is repeated over and over..

      But you can also look at history and find examples where staying put would have meant certain death. For instance, the surviving passengers of Uruguayan Flight 571 (known from the book and movie "Alive") only made it because two of the victims hiked out of the mountains. They had been given up for dead.

    53. Re:We had covered this story... by Dilaudid · · Score: 1
      People here talk about "the government" as if it's one organism - some omnipresent hive mind which is, with single minded intent, plotting against the defendant. What they miss is that government is a system of different groups (the courts, the police, the prosecution and defence lawyers) who very often don't particularly like each other. My experience of talking to people in the criminal law system is that they think that other parts of the system misunderstand a) the rules and b) the priorities.

      The GP was saying that people in America get away on technicalities too often - I would certainly agree that for anyone who can afford Dershowitz there is a different rule of law. Imagine a plot of the number of trials thrown out on technicality against the wealth of the defendant - which way do you think it would trend?

    54. Re:We had covered this story... by Requiem+Aristos · · Score: 1

      It is, they did, and no, they didn't have a signal.

      Most cases, you won't get a signal in the wilderness, which is why relying on cell phones is a bad idea.

      The good news is, they did get a brief connection to a cell tower earlier while driving, and a phone company employee who spent his weekend looking over the logs spotted this, which helped narrow down the search. (And may be the reason the rest of the family is still alive.)

    55. Re:We had covered this story... by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Not only did the footprints leave them in.....

      The cell phone Kim was carrying pinged a tower after he left the car for the walk. There are lots of levels of cell phone operation and communication with a tower that is short of crystal clear conversation of a phone call. In the area he was in, the right bounce or whatever gave them enough info to know it's this box of whatever 100 square miles he's in.

      Until then, they they were not looking in the right area and would not have seen the footprints in the first place.

      Had he not moved when he did, his wife and children would probably be dead soon if not already.

      Bad decisions were made to get him in the situation (in the dark, on a mountain road, wait 10 hours for light and go then), however once he was stuck, I think he made some pretty good choices and probably ended up saving his childrens' and wife's lives.

      Too bad he didn't get to know that before dying.

    56. Re:We had covered this story... by killjoe · · Score: 1, Interesting

      OJ got off because the police planted evidence. I am almost certain he committed the crimes but because the police planted evidence he did and should have gotten off.

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    57. Re:We had covered this story... by muyuubyou · · Score: 1

      You had another point. James Kim is a completely unfamiliar name to most of the international Slashdot readership. All of my acquaitances outside of the USA had no idea who this guy was until the fuss in the "blogosphere" and news sites.

    58. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      People here talk about "the government" as if it's one organism - some omnipresent hive mind which is, with single minded intent, plotting against the defendant. What they miss is that government is a system of different groups (the courts, the police, the prosecution and defence lawyers) who very often don't particularly like each other. My experience of talking to people in the criminal law system is that they think that other parts of the system misunderstand a) the rules and b) the priorities.

      And your point is? The Government (the people, by definition, in a common law criminal proceeding) has to follow certain rules of conduct. If you allow them to break these rules and still get convictions then what's the point of having the rules in the first place?

      The GP was saying that people in America get away on technicalities too often - I would certainly agree that for anyone who can afford Dershowitz there is a different rule of law. Imagine a plot of the number of trials thrown out on technicality against the wealth of the defendant - which way do you think it would trend?

      And again, your point is? Because rich people get off on technicalities more often (because they have better lawyers) that it's wrong? If the police, DA and judge all follow all the rules and do their jobs right then the defendant won't be slipping away on a technicality. If they don't, then they don't deserve the conviction because they didn't follow the rules. Why is that a bad thing?

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    59. Re:We had covered this story... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      I submitted one ~5 minutes after it showed up on C|Net RSS feed... still pending

      Oh well.

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    60. Re:We had covered this story... by General+Lee's+Peking · · Score: 1

      I don't even have to guess---you're an Anonymous Coward. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something really strange, or strangely inappropriate, about someone posting as an AC on slashdot to tell a digg reader to go away. I'm probably going to get hit bad by a moderator who also feels digg readers have no right reading slashdot, but it keeps getting harder to care, as slashdot ``moderates'' (I use the term loosely) itself out of relevance.

    61. Re:We had covered this story... by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      The main difference, as someone already pointed out, is that we (in scandinavian countries) don't see the government as a bully that must be kept on a leash. Maybe we should look at it that way more often, but that is a completely different discussion.

      From our (my) point of view, the responsibility doesn't lie with government as a whole, but with the officer(s) conducting the investigation. If they choose to disobey proper procedures, for whatever reasons, they will also personally take the fall. IIRC, there was a case like this in Sweden recently, where a highly ranked police officer got busted for methods involving crime provocation, which seems to be illegal in that country. I am not sure if he got hold of any information that could be used against other criminals.

      What I am trying to say is that maybe we look at evidence in a different way. Evidence is evidence, no matter how it is produced. If it is genuine and it proves that someone is guilty, they are going down. The evidence kind of stands on its own merits.

      I realize there are grey areas where some kind of prevention might be needed, but it looks like our system works pretty well as a whole, if you disregard the slap-on-the-wrist kind of punishments they are given for very serious crimes.

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    62. Re:We had covered this story... by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      In every american cop series on TV they are afraid/annoyed with the "internal affairs" police unit. Looks like a job for them...

      Isn't that the obvious solution? A state wide or nation wide unit that handles crimes among cops/DAs?

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    63. Re:We had covered this story... by imageboard · · Score: 1

      A chief editor of the leading technology website dies and this is not technology-related, but the plethora of completely political Bush articles somehow are? I'm not supporting a stricter cordon on story subjects; rather pointing out that Slashdot doesn't always stick to its tagline

    64. Re:We had covered this story... by s20451 · · Score: 1

      The life of my family is worth more to me than the thousand dollars?

      The better question is, could you buy something else with that thousand dollars that would help your family even more? The EPIRB will help you out in a very narrow and extremely unlikely range of circumstances. Of course I don't know you, so for all I know you could be living in a shack in the rockies, in which case the EPIRB would be a good idea in case you lost your power and your phone and were in medical trouble. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't recommend it for the average day hiker.

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    65. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      In every american cop series on TV they are afraid/annoyed with the "internal affairs" police unit. Looks like a job for them...

      Yeah, because that always works. Oh and as much as I love Sam Waterston and miss Jerry Orbach, getting your opinions about law enforcement from TV might not be the most insightful way to go.

      Isn't that the obvious solution? A state wide or nation wide unit that handles crimes among cops/DAs?

      Why should cops be allowed to profit from crime (by convicting criminals)? How is that a solution?

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    66. Re:We had covered this story... by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is no longer true, as ruled by the supreme court in two separate rulings this past year (1, 2).

      Although the cop will still be held responsible for his/her actions, the evidence is admissable, and for all intents and purposes, the 4th ammendment is null and void. How this didn't generate more attention when it happened is beyond my comprehension.

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    67. Re:We had covered this story... by udoschuermann · · Score: 1
      They drove down a closed seasonal road by mistake and got stuck.
      Actually, the gate that closed the road had been vandalized (lock/chain cut) and the road was therefore marked "open" when it had actually been closed. I dare say that most of us would have been caught in the same trap. :-(
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    68. Re:We had covered this story... by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Except that they only found James family by following the tracks he left in the snow back to them from the air.

      Do you have a reference for this? Every google search I've done lists the two most prominent factors in the rescue as 1) The cell phone ping and 2) Kati waving an umbrella when a helicopter was nearby.

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    69. Re:We had covered this story... by raduf · · Score: 1

      Well, you in Finland are civilised.

      I always wondered, in the American way of things, what stopps a very rich very influential defendant from just "buying" a technicality? It's the easyest thing possible for a cop or someone from the prosecuter's office... just make in "honest mistake" and retire.

    70. Re:We had covered this story... by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because that always works.

      There are few things in life that are always successful. Taking your stance that it is impossible isn't going to make much things much better, anyway.

      Oh and as much as I love Sam Waterston and miss Jerry Orbach, getting your opinions about law enforcement from TV might not be the most insightful way to go.

      As an European, my ways (and/or willingness) to recieve information about the USA:ian legal system are rather limited. But spoon fed as we are with USA:ian crap series, it is hard to avoid forming a rough opinion on how the legal system works in general. Internal affairs are usually portrayed as bad guys, but taking into account how the real cops are portrayed, they seem to have a vital role to play.

      Actually, I wasn't talking of how internal affairs works atm. My idea was that something along that line is what is necessary in these cases. If the current solution is adequate, I can not say.

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    71. Re:We had covered this story... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      I don't believe I ever saw Kim post here. I'm utterly sure that Rieser did, as I seem to remember having a discussion with him about on-the-fly disk compression several years back. From that little discussion he seemed like an OK guy, but it was purely tech talk, bits and buffers. I was surprised to read of his Hyde side.

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    72. Re:We had covered this story... by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty unusual case though. For one thing, the survivors of the crash knew for a fact that the search had been called off. Rescue was unlikely due to the extremely remote location and the fact that crash site would be hard to spot since the plane was white (against snow). The strongest survivors made numerous short trips to prepares themselves for hiking out and to figure out how to go about it and where to go. In the end it was almost two months before they made the final attempt.

    73. Re:We had covered this story... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I'm sure most of the European readers absolutely never heard of the guy. I know I didn't.

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    74. Re:We had covered this story... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      That plus a laptop loaded with Google-earth,

      Is this 'Google-earth' an off-line thing you can fit into a laptop?

      I am not familiar with it, and would find that very interesting and valuable. I know that various mapping software packages can be installed in their entirety on a laptop. Heck, I have mickeysoft 'Streets and Trips' on a laptop for said purpose. Google-earth would be far better.

      But I suspect you mean an online package or something. I have never heard of Google allowing any of their databases to be downloadable in their entirety.

      If so, I stand corrected and will be excited to get this 'Google-earth.' If not, get a clue, cuz you aren't going to have Wifi when you are lost in the wilderness and need it.

    75. Re:We had covered this story... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      "We had covered this story back when it had first broke; " "When News Breaks, We Fix It."
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    76. Re:We had covered this story... by alienw · · Score: 1

      What the fuck? Convictions are not fucking prizes, you fucktard. Convictions aren't there for the prosecutors to "win". They are there to punish criminal behavior in society. If a cop fucked up while gathering evidence, he should be reprimanded and/or fired, but the criminal certainly shouldn't be let loose. Evidence should be excluded only if there is a question as to its authenticity.

      Letting criminals get away on a technicality is a flagrant violation of justice. Whether or not someone is guilty should not hinge on their lawyer's price.

    77. Re:We had covered this story... by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      The purpose of the law (in the USA anyway) is to stop the government from performing illegal searches, if the government can still use illegally obtained evidence then there's no incentive to obey the law.
      Of course there is, if you try those crimes separately. An illegal search of a house might be breaking and entering, or trespass or maybe burglary. An officer could go to jail for that search. Don't you think that's a fairly significant deterrent?
    78. Re:We had covered this story... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      I don't carry a GPS, but would buy one if I were travelling through hazardous areas like the unfortunate Mr Kim.

      I don't go down backroads with which I am not utterly familiar without printing out "hybrid" Google Maps (I print screencaps since otherwise the photos portion does not print for me). This is worth it just for picking up junk cars, let alone long distance travel. I also carry a truckers atlas under the seat. The time it saves pays for it quickly.
      I wouldn't be in a wilderness area without a CB radio, and I don't go anywhere nasty without enough cold weather gear to _comfortably_ walk out.

      Poor Mr Kim thought like a city-dweller. If you are not familiar with what to do and not well-equipped to do it, stay on main highways and out of the boondocks.

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    79. Re:We had covered this story... by ben+there... · · Score: 1

      "No longer true" is going a bit far. Looking at the details of those cases shows the first determined that "knock and announce" is not required, meaning the perps subject to a granted search warrant have 30 seconds less time to hide their stash. Not a big loss in the freedom dept.

      The second determined that if you agree to searches any time, day or night, in your parole conditions, it apparently is Constitutional for the state authorities to follow through on those searches.

      It's a far cry from stating that "illegal evidence can't be used in trial" is "no longer true."

      Not that we aren't actually losing rights in many areas, but I don't see these 2 cases as particularly unreasonable, or worth any outrage, unless perhaps they took place in your state and you wish for your state to have strong "knock-and-announce" or parole statutes.

    80. Re:We had covered this story... by tylernt · · Score: 1
      I seem to remember having a discussion with him about on-the-fly disk compression
      So, why doesn't Linux have on-the-fly disk compression like DOS and NTFS? It's the only reason I run Windows on some file servers.
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    81. Re:We had covered this story... by tylernt · · Score: 1

      I've found that a scaled-down version of a 72-hour kit is great as a car kit. Rather bulky for a family of 5, even after omitting sleeping bags, but the loss of trunk space is worth it.

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    82. Re:We had covered this story... by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Well, he didn't leave the car for 7 days, and by that time the car had run out of gas and they were burning magazines, tires, etc to stay warm.

      They burned the tires much earlier, which was another big mistake. Instead of waiting for a clear day to burn them, they burned them when it was snowing. The thick black smoke which can be seen for 10s of miles around from the tires was lost in the falling snow.

      But remember that they probbably hadn't eaten much (if anything) for 7 days, and might have had a problem getting water (melting snow takes energy).

      It was probably warmer in the car than outside. The sun could likely melt the water they needed. The fact that Kati was able to nurse her children suggests she had a good supply of water. A mother can nurse on her fat stores without food for a good many days, but without water she'll be in trouble in just 1 or 2.

      Also, the family was only found because the helicopter pilot saw footprints in the snow (those of James Kim). The footprints lead him to the car of the family. If Kim hadn't gone out to try to find help, the whole family might have died from exposure.

      This is the third time I've heard this. Do you have a source for this? I've googled three different phrases and they all mention James was tracked by his footprints, I can't find any that say that the footprints were found before Kati.

      So, given the same situation are you really sure you'd just sit around forever and hope that you're rescued? I'm not sure I would have.

      Being a father myself, I say it's a really REALLY hard decision. By this time he is probably thinking he is going to sit there for a few weeks and watch his children starve to death. Desperation leads people to do things that aren't in their best interest. Experts who study this stuff tend to agree though, your highest probability of rescue comes from staying put.

      The guy who thinks that high-tech would have saved him might be right, but it's much cheaper, easier, and reliable to just stash some warm clothes in your car. They'll also be usefull when you're just plain cold.

      A $600 personal locator beacon would have brought help directly to him within a few hours (assuming he didn't activate it while the snow was so thick that rescue operations couldn't be safely performed.)

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    83. Re:We had covered this story... by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Fourth, the helicopter pilot that finally found the car actually spotted footprints in the snow, and followed them back to the car. If those were James Kim's footprints, then if he had stayed with the car, it might not have been found when it was.

      This is like the fifth time I've read this just in this thread. Does anybody have a link from a news outlet stating this? Preferably words from the helicopter pilot? This is starting to feel like building heroics after the fact.

      Everything I've read so far suggests that the helicopter did find footprints, but this was AFTER Kati had flagged him down with an umbrella with SOS written on it.

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    84. Re:We had covered this story... by scotch · · Score: 1
      But spoon fed as we are with USA:ian crap series

      You make it sound like you have no choice but to watch these TV shows. I can just picture you: strapped to your chair, eyelids taped open, attendant applying synthetic tears as hour after hour of cagney+lacy and CSI are shoved down your eyeballs. Is that about how it happens?

      PS. the accepted term for inhabitants of the US is "Americans", not "USA:ian". Your repetitive use of that term makes you look like a buffoon. Welcome to the wonderful world of human language where everything doesn't work exactly like you want it to. Will you be staying with us long?

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    85. Re:We had covered this story... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      An officer could go to jail for that search. Don't you think that's a fairly significant deterrent?

      Not so much as you'd think. Sadly, a lot of cops see themselves as the "thin blue line" keeping society from falling apart, and are willing to do anything to put away the people they label as the bad guys. Some of them would think it quite heroic to go to jail for a few years if if got that guy they just "knew in their gut was guilty" off the street.

      In contemporary America, it's not safe to assume that either cops or criminals have the same motivations as, or behave anything like, sane, healthy, well-adjusted people.

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    86. Re:We had covered this story... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      How this didn't generate more attention when it happened is beyond my comprehension.

      Probably because it's earth-shattering news only to tin-foil hat wearers like yourself who blow crap out of proportion.

      In the first case, they HAD a warrant, and simply failed to knock. Since the necessity to knock is a local state law, and NOT enumerated in the 4th ammendment, your claim is pure bullshit.

      In the second case, they are talking about parolees, who agreed to the terms of parole, which include temporarily (for the length of parole) volunteering to forego several of their constitutional rights (not a problem, since they WERE already convicted in a court of law) including the 4th.

      The lesson is: you are a sensationalist nutjob.
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    87. Re:We had covered this story... by virtual_mps · · Score: 1
      What I am trying to say is that maybe we look at evidence in a different way. Evidence is evidence, no matter how it is produced. If it is genuine and it proves that someone is guilty, they are going down. The evidence kind of stands on its own merits.

      You left a really big qualifier in there: "if it is genuine". The rules of evidence are there to assure the courts (and the citizens) that the evidence is genuine. The police know before they start searching that there are rules that have to be followed. If they decide to break the rules governing the search, why would you then assume that the evidence they produce is genuine? Note that it is not that hard to follow the rules if you want to, and there standard procedures for handling exceptional cases (e.g., find evidence when entering a home because you hear gunshots) so it's not as though the rules make it impossible to act. Good cops tend to like the rules (even when they are ocassionally annoying) because they themselves want to be sure that they've gotten the right person beyond a reasonable doubt.
    88. Re:We had covered this story... by virtual_mps · · Score: 1
      An illegal search of a house might be breaking and entering, or trespass or maybe burglary. An officer could go to jail for that search. Don't you think that's a fairly significant deterrent?

      That's one potential scenario for an illegal search, but not the only one (and not even the most likely one, IMO). Most wouldn't be so cut and dried and easily prosecuted. (E.g., see my previous post about chain of custody issues, which are the thing most likely to get evidence declared to be tainted and thus excluded. And we really don't want to relax the standards for evidence handling.)
    89. Re:We had covered this story... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      So basically, I think all Digg readers should fuck off.
      I was glad to find this nugget of brilliance in your dense paragraphs.
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    90. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Whether or not someone is guilty should not hinge on their lawyer's price.

      No, it should hinge on whether or not there is enough evidence to prove the states case beyond a reasonable doubt and whether or not that evidence was lawfully collected or not.

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    91. Re:We had covered this story... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      So, what is the accepted term for inhabitants of the two american continents?

      Canadians, Latin Americans, Mexicans, South American, Brazillian, Venezuelan, blah, blah, blah?

      Why does it bother you so much that Americans are called such? The name of our country is the United States of America.

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    92. Re:We had covered this story... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      The cell phone ping came 2 days after he left them. If he had stayed with them there would have been no ping and the searchers even said they were looking in the totally wrong places. Even then it was luck that there was a pilot who knew the roads and had a hunch about the wrong turn (the turn-off was a larger road than the main road), so he took his own copter to take a look around the area, and boom, found them.

      But only 3 of them and not James.. too bad, poor guy. RIP.

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    93. Re:We had covered this story... by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      The fact that Kati was able to nurse her children suggests she had a good supply of water. A mother can nurse on her fat stores without food for a good many days, but without water she'll be in trouble in just 1 or 2.

      Sure, they might have had adequate water. But there's other factors to consider. How long will the relatively warm weather hold out? Maybe it'll plunge into the teens or single digits the next day. Seven days is beginning to be hard to go without food. It's also hard to believe that you're going to be rescued after a week.

      This is the third time I've heard this. Do you have a source for this? I've googled three different phrases and they all mention James was tracked by his footprints, I can't find any that say that the footprints were found before Kati.

      I found it from the Wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_kim

      A $600 personal locator beacon would have brought help directly to him within a few hours

      And how many people are willing to spend $600 on a personal locator beacon with no other use than the extremely unlikely scenario that your car becomes disabled in the middle of nowhere for a week? I'm certainly not. I'd be willing to spend maybe $20 on a device like this, but until this story broke, I didn't even know such things existed. If you really want to learn something from this scenario, telling people to spend a lot of money on something they'll be VERY unlikely to ever use is foolish.

      A hat, gloves and jacket and boots can be had for $20-$30 and stashed in your car. They don't tend to break easily or have the batteries wear out. They have the added benefit of keeping you warm at other times when you're not stranded.

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    94. Re:We had covered this story... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      Offline Google Earth Use

      Basically, be online, surf the area you want, then go offline. Then the area will be cached (up to 2 GB, the article also mentions having multiple cache files around and swapping them around manually).

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    95. Re:We had covered this story... by blincoln · · Score: 1

      I personally carry an inexpensive Garmin GPS. An old-style one with a B&W LCD that cost me $70.00 US. It takes 2 AA batteries, and I always carry a spare 4 pack of those, plus more in my laptop bag.

      I have one of those, too. It works next to not at all in the Pacific Northwest, where I live. I thought it was broken until I took it on a drive with me to the Midwest, where it was able to get a fix.

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    96. Re:We had covered this story... by terrymr · · Score: 1

      Exactly ... why even do the search. Just stuff some "evidence" in a bag and claim you found it during an illegal search of somebody's house.

    97. Re:We had covered this story... by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      I found it from the Wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_kim

      Okay, I finally searched down the reference for this. It looks a lot like trumping up a minor issue in order to make Kim's fateful trip seem more heroic. The helicopter pilot was following a single set of tire tracks (indicating someone probably went in and didn't come out) and also happened to see footprints. Had the footprints not been there, there's no reason to believe the result would have been different because the pilot was following the tire tracks.

      If you really want to learn something from this scenario, telling people to spend a lot of money on something they'll be VERY unlikely to ever use is foolish.

      Is insurance any less foolish? Is the cost of insurance much less? You have to evaluate honestly your own personality. Are you the kind of adventurous person who would turn a missed turn off into an opportunity for adventure on the road less traveled? I am. Do it all the time. Sounds like the Kim's were too because this is how they got where they were - they missed their main turn off and opted to take a road they were unfamiliar with. 9999 times out of 10000 this turns out good, you see beautiful country that few others do (I know, because I do this all the time). It's that 1 time in 10000 you need the PLB. If you're the type to enjoy this sort of thing, CARRY INSURANCE.

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    98. Re:We had covered this story... by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      The cell phone ping came 2 days after he left them.

      Do you have a reference for this?

      According to this, the cell phone ping in question occurred on Nov 26. It sounds like there is confusion between when the ping happened and when the tower that received the ping was located.

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    99. Re:We had covered this story... by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like you have no choice but to watch these TV shows. I can just picture you: strapped to your chair, eyelids taped open, attendant applying synthetic tears as hour after hour of cagney+lacy and CSI are shoved down your eyeballs. Is that about how it happens?

      Correct! :)

      No, not really, but I do tend to get a little tired when six of my eight available channels at the same time show american series of, should we say "less than desirable quality".

      PS. the accepted term for inhabitants of the US is "Americans", not "USA:ian". Your repetitive use of that term makes you look like a buffoon. Welcome to the wonderful world of human language where everything doesn't work exactly like you want it to. Will you be staying with us long?

      PS. I would hate to think people living in other american countries would think that I refer to them in my sweeping generalizations. DS.

      And, why do you instantly take USA:ian as being a derogative term? That is (honestly) not my intention.

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    100. Re:We had covered this story... by scotch · · Score: 1
      No, not really, but I do tend to get a little tired when six of my eight available channels at the same time show american series of, should we say "less than desirable quality".

      Maybe you should get a Tivo or MythTV? That helps us deal with the crap television over here.

      PS. I would hate to think people living in other american countries would think that I refer to them in my sweeping generalizations. DS.

      And, why do you instantly take USA:ian as being a derogative term? That is (honestly) not my intention.

      As you should be aware, the term "Americans" really usually refers to USA inhabitants. There is no continent called "America". It could be used for inhabitants of the two continents as a whole, but that usage is rare or non-existent. "North American", "Central American", "Latin American", and "South American" are all used to indicate persons from the continents or sub-continents. For other countries, "Canadian", "Mexican", etc, are used as indicated elsewhere.

      I personally don't take your pet term "USA:ian" to be derogatory. I just think it's stupid on a couple counts: 1 - it's not even a proper word. 2 - it smacks of typical geek arrogance - the idea that the English language should be logical and further that you, as some kind of crusader, can change the language through your stubborn and lone persistence. You're probably one of those guys that thinks he can supplant the work "boxes" with "boxen", too.

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    101. Re:We had covered this story... by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      At 100 degrees, water boils. In fact, in the mountains, it boils nearer 80 degrees. I would imagine they would turn to charcoal; though, as the moisture would be trapped in the wrapper, it would be soggy charcoal. OTOH in a temperate climate, even in a vehicle in midsummer, the temperature is unlikely to exceed 50 or 60 degrees. And I wouldn't be carrying a Snickers bar cos I'm allergic to peanuts.

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    102. Re:We had covered this story... by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      I saw one televised story that Kim had gotten lost because he followed an impassible road based on one of the internet mapping programs.

      I never heard anything else on that again.

      A coverup? Or just a retraction?

      Or perhaps an halucination on my part?

  6. Re:his wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He didn't directly kill her... He was trying to explain why reiserfs was better than ext4 and her head exploded.

  7. Give him a laptop and let him work by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I say regardless whether he is guilty or not, he should have access to a computer so that he can continue developing RaiserFS. One can argue that it will benefit the society at large because it is an open source technology tool. Also it would make a lot more sense as opposed to just let him lounge around all day, get fed and work out at the gym, while all of us pay for it.


    1. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by lisaparratt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That would presume that the function of prison is to rehabilitate people into useful members society, rather than to exact emotionally driven revenge through punishment.

    2. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      I don't wish to play devil's advocate or anything, but if he is found guilty, why should he be treated differently from any other convicted murderer? Just because he writes code? I'm sure there are lots of murderers who had constructive hobbies before being thrwon in prison, nerdy or not.

      Or, should I start my own filesystem now, to ensure a cushier sentence should I ever kill anyone in future?

    3. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Anon+E.+Muss · · Score: 4, Funny

      Prison is for punishment. He should be forced to write Windows software. :-)

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    4. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      I think I read this in the Cryptonomicon. What's next, a morse-code blinkenlight OOB journaling algorithm for Reiser V5? Stay tuned!

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    5. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "rather than to exact emotionally driven revenge through punishment."

      Yes , people should never get emotional when perhaps someone they love has been murdered. What fools. And punishment? Pah , who needs it, thats just so middle ages. Peace and love man... Yes , rehabilitation is where its at as the triumpant success of this liberal policy over the last few decades has shown ... oh wait....

      What is it with certain people that they somehow think punishment is beneath us? Why do they cling to this pathetic "rehabilitation" mantra as if its the panacea to all criminal issues, as if everyone can be turned into a loving useful member of society if they've just been hugged by enough simpering wolly liberals?

      If someone ever killed a member of my family I'd be in the queue flick the ON switch to the chair and to hell with the self important , self righteous opinions of people like you.

    6. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      The interests of society trump the interests of the individual. It is not in the interest of society to exact revenge. If they're irretrievable, then by all means kill them. Otherwise, why should the rest of us pay for replacing your sorrow with a perverted warm and fuzzy feeling, when we could instead get some value for our taxes?

    7. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Bertie · · Score: 1

      Quite right. They should all be encouraged to put their skills to the best possible use. TRy and make the best out of a bad situation, y'know?

    8. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Dhalka226 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm perfectly content with punishment, but come on:

      Yes , rehabilitation is where its at as the triumpant success of this liberal policy over the last few decades has shown ... oh wait....

      The United States has the most people in prison of any country in the world--including China, Russia, and the third-world countries we like to lambaste as having no respect for law.

      The rate of people in US prisons--737 per 100,000--is the highest in the world. It is roughly seven times the average rate in other western countries of the world.

      I'm fairly certain our numbers with regard to some countries (China, etc) are not wholly accurate, but there's obviously an issue here, particularly as we compare our rates to other western nations.

      In the face of numbers like that, it's incredibly hard to support your contention that we've had some "liberal policy" of justice for "decades." (Article here with these facts; you can find it from any number of other sources as well. I'm pretty sure I read it on Yahoo News from the AP a few days ago.)

      The US has always been conservative on the issue of justice. Punishments are getting harsher, not more lenient. We still execute people--and I'm not interested in debating whether that is right or wrong, merely pointing it out as a difference between us and most other western countries, and it's hard to deny that executions are the harshest form of justice short of torture, which isn't really justice at all.

    9. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's mainly because of the bullshit drug war though. If you remove drug "crimes" we'd have a lot less people in prison.

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    10. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1

      You are saying that rehabilitation is not smart, because you'd rather kill all murderers? Fine, that's a solution. The question is, what are you going to do with other criminals -- the ones you won't kill (I'm assuming there are crimes you wouldn't kill for)?

      Would you put a robber to prison for 20 years and punish him as much as possible for the whole time, and when he's served his time just throw him to the street? That'll make the robber adapt really well to society... Just think for yourself: Twenty years without a real job, without any education, without outside contacts, without any ability to cope with modern life. Do you really want guys like that on the streets?

    11. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes , people should never get emotional when perhaps someone they love has been murdered People should get emotional when someone they love has been murdered. Society as a whole, however, should not. History has shown us time and time again the damage to the individual that an emotional society can cause. Leave emotion for the relatives, not for the court.
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    12. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

      In a lot of prison systems (a notable example being the Federal Bureau of Prisons), people who have worked with computers are denied ANY access to computers, because the administrators have fears that they will be able to "hack the system."

    13. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Informative

      Peace and love man... Yes , rehabilitation is where its at as the triumpant success of this liberal policy over the last few decades has shown ... oh wait....

      The right wingers seem to mention the liberal policy all the time but I'd like to ask which liberal policy are they refering to? we seem to be locking more people up all the time and it isn't doing any good.

      Maybe if there was a real liberal policy inplace you would see the difference.

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    14. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      Yes, because is can be locked and contribute. For once a convicted killer wouldn't just eat, sleep and go to the gym while we are all paying for it with our tax money. He can at least contribute to the technological progress. Wouldn't you agree?

      Let's look at the two choices here:

      1. You can spend your tax dollars and have him sit around, eat, sleep and exercise.
      OR
      2. You can spend your tax dollars and have a great journaling file system that you can use and nobody will come asking you to pay up royalties for it.

      I don't know about you, but I choose 2.

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    15. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't just talking about the US , I was talking about the whole of the west including europe. In the UK the liberals have taken over the asylum.

    16. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "Just think for yourself: Twenty years without a real job, without any education, without outside contacts, without any ability to cope with modern life. Do you really want guys like that on the streets?"

      If they can be rehabilitated while they're being punished then fine , do it. But I get tired of listening to people who seem to think rehabilitation is all thats needed and to hell with the feelings of the victims and their families.

    17. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by drgonzo59 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, that would presume that I am paying my tax dollars to have all these convicts sit around, eat, go to the gym and sleep all day for the rest of their lives. If Hans can develop his file system, I would still pay my tax dollars for him to sit around, eat, go to the gym, sleep BUT in addition, I would have a great _free_ journaling file system. The later choice seems quite obvious to me...

      This has nothing to do with rehabilitation. Where did you see that word in my post or are you just trolling...?

    18. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I would think someone who murders someone deserves emotionally driven revenge through punishment. There should be no computers in jail, no gyms, no pool tables and no TVs. The only entertainment should be smashing rocks.

      No wonder there's so much crime when prison is practically a holiday camp.

    19. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by croddy · · Score: 1

      If a victim or his family can only be satisfied by a state sponsored execution, then by all means, to hell with them all.

    20. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by October_30th · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A proper judicial process with rational, reversible sentences that do not further feed the cycle of crime and violence is more important than the feelings of the victims and their families.


      Vengeance is not justice - it's a triumph of raw emotion over rational thinking. It may be satisfying to some, but it's not something on which a safe and stable society can be built upon.

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    21. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      My point, since you seem to need this explaining to you, is that the purpose of prisons is emotional punishment. As such, considerations of how a prisoner could be useful to society go out the window, to be replaced with only-just-legal methods of making his life a living hell.

    22. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      Speed "limits" "Assault" and Battery "Handicapped" parking Property "crimes" Debating whether something should be a crime is all well and good, but implying that it isn't is simply reckless ignorance. Maybe if more drug users were activists fighting for legalization instead of passively waiting to be arrested and then crying about the unfairness of the system I'd care more about their plight. Furthermore, as a person who went to highschool with some less than admirable people, I can tell you that there are plenty of people who, just because they're in jail for possession, doesn't mean that they weren't breaking into houses and cars, guns, beatings, etc. There are also plenty of recreational users who have done nothing, and hold down steady jobs, they are also for the most part in little to no danger of ever being caught.

      The war on drugs has made all drug users criminals, too many opponents try to make them all out as saints. Given that most of the opponents are middle class or above and rarely minorities I think a large portion of the actual impact is lost on them, but even were it not the mattter is not simple black and white.

    23. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In the UK the liberals have taken over the asylum.

      So how do you account for the fact the prsion population is at a record high, and higher as a proportion of the population than just about any country apart from the US and China? Doesn't sound very liberal to me.

    24. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They aren't saints, but using drugs as an excuse to put "undesirable" people away is a very dangerous precedent.

      Selective enforcement of laws that makes everyone a criminal is a sure road to oppression.

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    25. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Maybe prisons shouldn't be using Windows? ;p

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    26. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      Eating, sleeping and going to the gym is not exactly living hell. Now if they can send them to a prison in Siberia, then we'll talk about "living hell". Heck, some homeless people would commit a small crime to get spend the winter in jail.

      My point,since you also seem the need this explaining to you, is that I don't care how much they suffer. Them suffering or not will _not_ reverse the crime. Just say that a couple of times to yourself, to get a grip on the idea.

      Even if the purpose of prison is emotional punishment, there is _no_ way to measure that, in other words, we don't torture inmates so actual physical pain is not present and as far as emotional pain, what is painful and unbearable for some might be quite pleasant for others. How do you know if Johnny Convict is suffering or perhaps he is enjoying hanging out with his friends at the prison gym every day?

      My point is simple, _I_ am paying for all of these idiot's food, shelter and recreation. I could either have them socialize and sleep all day or have them stamp license plates, cleaning highways or developing file systems. Whatever they can do to pay back, let them do it.

    27. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

      And what if the victim or the family will only be satisfied if they pop her/his eyeballs and then take turns fucking the sockets...

    28. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Tell ya what, I'll pay for the electric bill out of my own pocket.

      Better value there anyway.

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    29. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by NoTheory · · Score: 1

      Er, that's not a joke.

      The purpose of democracy in the US is to try and do the best for everyone. You don't capriciously let the few abuse the resources of everyone, just because someone feels like it.

      Also, people don't understand how expensive it is to execute people. It costs a fortune. Go google execution costs. Capital punishment is not the cheap easy way to remove genuine criminals from society. It's completely permanent but it's not the inexpensive route.

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    30. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Making them miserable and making them optimally useful are mutually exclusive options. Society chooses the former, hence why you'll never see Hans Reiser put to work making a file system if he goes down.

    31. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Umm ,perhaps because a lot of crimes are commited? Cause and effect possibly?

    32. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "If a victim or his family can only be satisfied by a state sponsored execution, then by all means, to hell with them all."

      I think you sum up all thats rotten with certain parts of various justice systems - ie F*ck the victim and/or the relatives, the criminals rights are more important. One day people like you will be laughed at by kids in history lessons , if only that day would come sooner.

    33. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      to hell with the feelings of the victims and their families.

      And that's where they'll be going if all they want is revenge,

      I'm not a christian but......

      Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
      --Romans 12:17-21, NIV

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    34. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Democracy is defined as "rule by the people": it has no other purpose or definition, expressed or implied. It is simply a form of government where all the people take part in the decision making process, as opposed to monarchy (rule by one), theocracy (rule by god('s representatives)), aristocracy (rule by the best ones) and other forms.
      It is NOT related to what you actually DO with the power you are given or the way you choose to benefit some at the expense of others: it simply sets the basic rules of the discussion, while the outcome of such process can (and does) vary.
      Besides, it looks to me like executing someone takes one (1) bullet, while maintaining him in prison costs a fortune. If you're really cheap you can even ask his family for reimbursement - hey the Chinese do it, even though I find it evil.
      I will google execution costs but I suspect I will find info about how much it costs to maintain someone in prison for 15 years before you kill him, how expensive the machinery is, how you have to train people to use it and manage the audience...
      Finally I never said that the govt should take care of the vengeance. It'd be a surefire way to mess even THAT up.

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    35. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      They aren't saints, but using drugs as an excuse to put "undesirable" people away is a very dangerous precedent.
       
      Selective enforcement of laws that makes everyone a criminal is a sure road to oppression. Curiously, the existence of these laws hasn't made me a criminal. So I question (even interpreted as hyperbole) your assertion that the laws make "everyone" a criminal. People have the choice to not break the law, right?

      'Course, at the same time I do appreciate that individuals ought to have the right to make up their own mind about what sorts of things they'd like to do to themselves. I accept the idea of a "war on drugs" primarily on the premise that plentiful supply of potent recreational drugs is detrimental to our society as a whole.

      Is that premise true? I'd say there's at least good support for it in history - the Opium Wars, for instance.
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    36. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Dion · · Score: 1

      Uhm, only the most primitive states in the world have the death penalty, as countries become more advanced they tend to stop killing their own citizens.

      There is no sense in the death penalty, it's more expensive than just keeping people in prison for life and we lose any chance to learn how to avoid creating that sort of criminal.

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    37. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Yes but the US isn't the only country that jails people over drugs so that's not a reason for the higher than average number.

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    38. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Elladan · · Score: 1

      You assume Hans Reiser actually has anything to do with the development of his filesystem. This isn't true, at all. Rather, he hired a couple Russian guys to write it for him. They've done all the work for years.

      His main contribution in reality is getting into flame wars on the linux kernel mailing list. And if you read any of his posts there, you'd surely believe he's guilty.

    39. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Curiously, the existence of these laws hasn't made me a criminal.

      Oh, really?

      Never had oral or anal sex?

      I accept the idea of a "war on drugs" primarily on the premise that plentiful supply of potent recreational drugs is detrimental to our society as a whole

      I don't. That's not the reason for it anyway. It's a moral crusade, organized by the relgion (specifically methodist temperance), women's groups who want to dictate how people live, and opportunistic slimeballs like Hurst and every president since Nixon.

      You accept denying marijuana to terminally ill people in states where it is legal? Raich v Ashcroft expanded the commerce clause giving the federal government absolute power over every person. Amendment 9 and 10 are worthless now, because of this moral crusade you support.

      I don't know if you read the judgement, but it went like this: Angel Raich grows pot in her backyard for her own medicinal use. She therefore buys less pot from a drug dealer. That drug dealer might get his pot from across state lines. Therefore the commerce clause applies and the federal government can dictate what people grow in their backyard, even if it never leaves their house.

      Potential reduction of potential aggregate demand of potential interstate commerce is now enough to give the federal government full power to take away any right normally reserved to the states or the people.

      Baking cookies for a church bake sale, for example, is now subject to federal juristiction.

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    40. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      alcohol is definitely detrimental, but the prohibition taught us that the backlash of abolishing it is worse

    41. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      >Uhm, only the most primitive states in the world have the death penalty, as countries become more advanced >they tend to stop killing their own citizens.

      That would be why the US has it I supposed.

      >There is no sense in the death penalty, it's more expensive than just keeping people in prison for life

      HOw'd you work that one out? Care to elaborate on your maths there?

      >nd we lose any chance to learn how to avoid creating that sort of criminal.

      Blah blah. Crims have always been around, you can't not "create" them without using eugenics.

    42. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "And that's where they'll be going if all they want is revenge,"

      If you believe in childrens stories. Apparently you do. You have my sympathies.

    43. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by gbobeck · · Score: 1
      He should be forced to write Windows software

      Hey, not all Windows software is bad... look at Solitaire!

      If society really wants to punish him, he should have to endure prison with Clippy.
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    44. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      I don't but a lot of people apparently do.

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    45. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by nten · · Score: 1

      I don't think the goal should be justice, but to protect society from members that could damage it. Punishment should serve to prevent an offender from repeating their transgressions and serve as a deterrent to those who are considering crime as an option. I don't much like prison as a punishment, corporal and financial punishment for small offenses and capitol punishment for cases when rehabilitation really isn't ever going to be an option. In any case, getting justice for a family or a victim doesn't serve a purpose. It won't help us cope, it won't bring back what we have lost, and it won't benefit society. If however, torturing/brainwashing someone who murders their wife for a few weeks, or months can make them productive again, I'm all for it. I've read/watched "The Clockwork Orange" and think its a great idea. Note, this really isn't sarcasm, its what I think. I have to clarify that sometimes.

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    46. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      That's *very* cold of you. Justice is a large part of healing for victims of violent crime. To deny them such would be just about the worse thing you could do IMHO.

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    47. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Dion · · Score: 1

      The cost of killing someone legally is very expensive, at least if you pretend you have a justice system.

      The cost comes from the initial trial as well as the appeals.

      Keeping someone in jail for the rest of his natural life is much cheaper, go look it up if you doubt me.

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    48. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by CyberKnet · · Score: 1

      Murder is only a crime committed against you if you are dead. Dead people can't resent the state. It's just not possible.

      You might feel that a crime was committed against you if someone murdered a person you had a close relationship with... but you didn't. The dead person did.

      Unless, of course, the person you had that close relationship was legally your property... then by all means please do claim your right to resent the state for ignoring your individual feelings...

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    49. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Atzanteol · · Score: 1
      Wow. Just. Wow. I suppose that *could* be true, if you didn't care about anybody at all, and were a slave-owner...

      For your sake I hope this is just a troll...

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    50. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by aztektum · · Score: 1

      I think he was trying to be sarcastic while at the same time pointing out our prison system and the ideology that maintains it is fundamentally flawed.

      In other words, that loud woosh you heard was his point flying over your head at Mach 1.

      But I could be wrong.

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    51. Re:Give him a laptop and let him work by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 1

      The United States has the most people in prison of any country in the world--including China, Russia, and the third-world countries we like to lambaste as having no respect for law.

      Perhaps the difference here is that the U.S. can literally afford to imprison a significant chunk of its population while some of the more citizen-hostile countries can't.

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  8. The butterfly effect by Joebert · · Score: 5, Funny
    In addition, police said the couple's son said he overheard his parents arguing on the day Nina Reiser disappeared. The boy, who was playing video games in the basement at the time, said his father told him not to come up from the basement, police said.

    See, there's no reason to fear abandonment of the Reiser FS if this dude gets locked up.
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    1. Re:The butterfly effect by ajenteks · · Score: 1

      The boy, who was playing video games in the basement at the time

      A video game player at the scene of the crime!? Where's Jack Thompson when you need him?

  9. Errata for original post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    "We had covered this story back when it had first broke; "
    Should be: "We covered this story back when it first broke "
    I hate grammar Nazis.
  10. Re:Plenty of time to write code by el_womble · · Score: 1

    Seriously maaan, don't give the Corproment any ideas. They'll just start hurding all of us coders into 'state correctional institions' where we're kept below ground with nothing but a dirty, single matress and three meals a day provided by an omnipresent dictator known only as 'Mom'.

    The difference being that instead of the internet theres only a T1 to Micrsofts source repository and they have us working on bug fixes for Vista and Office.

    No OSS
    No Porn
    No WoW!!!!!!

    The horror!!!!!

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  11. Re:his wife by GigsVT · · Score: 1

    They were already almost divorced, that doesn't seem very likely at all.

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  12. Think about his kids by chipster · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know about the rest of the Slashdotters here, but I have 3 kids. Hans has 2, who are in Protective Services right now (not a great place for the kids to be).

    Key point about the kids from TFA:

    An Education Fund for the Reiser children has been set up. Donations can be sent to 6114 LaSalle Ave. #127, Oakland, CA, 94611.
    (emphasis added)
    1. Re:Think about his kids by alonso · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'm Italian and I would like to know if there is a bank account to send the money.
      Thank you.

    2. Re:Think about his kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's what's so bizarre.

      The article says a big point of contention between Hans and his wife was custody of the children. He is presumably a logical person, a man of reason judging by his coding ability; and if guilty of this crime also one of uncontrolled emotion. To think that such a hurtful, irrational decision could be made; so that essentially he would rather the children end up in the care of the state than see his wife win.

      He has not been proven guilty yet, but we know the human mind is capable of this. It isn't even unlikely. It is sad and scary.

    3. Re:Think about his kids by millwall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hi, I'm Italian and I would like to know if there is a bank account to send the money. Thank you. Dear Friend,

      I am the manager of bill and exchange at the foreign remittance department BANK OF AFRICA .

      In my department we discovered an abandoned bank account you can use for your purpose. We won't charge you anything - in fact we will double your donations.

      You should contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter for further clearifications.

      Yours faithfully,
      DR AMIRI BABO
    4. Re:Think about his kids by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dear Friend,

              A relitive of mine has reciently passed away leaving a fortune of $1,000,000.
      I need a way to transfer the funds to an account in the US. Could you please provide me with the details of the account you mention so that I can complete the transfer. When I'm done I will leave 40% of the money transfered in the account.

      Mr A Nigreian.

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  13. Free Hans by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nina's boyfriend Sean Sturgeon allegedly practices BDSM, raped Nina, engages in "death yoga", made death threats against Hans, cheated with a married woman, and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Hans Reiser:

    http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.h tml

    Hans Reiser, on the other hand, is a linux developer.

    Guess which one the cops arrested and which one isn't even a suspect?

    1. Re:Free Hans by jlebrech · · Score: 1

      Yeh but his car seat where all still in the car, and didnt have any blood stains. But maybe they did follow her boyfriend, you'll never know till someone becomes a suspect.

    2. Re:Free Hans by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hans drove a CRX which is a popular car among street racers for its light weight. People remove the passenger seat, rear wiper, AC, and other parts from their CRXs all the time for additional weight reduction. The fact that Hans' passenger seat was removed is no shock, of all the cars on the road I'd guess that CRXs are most likely to have the seat taken out.

    3. Re:Free Hans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those accusations were made by Hans and they did nothing but draw attention to the fact he is as nutty as a fruit cake.

    4. Re:Free Hans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh great, here comes the Net BSDM / Linux flamewar...

    5. Re:Free Hans by dattaway · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I understand this, Hans is a family man with two kids, takes the seat out of his car so he can have more room and pick up the kids faster with a lighter car?

    6. Re:Free Hans by dangermouse · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, the cops have always had it in for linux developers.

    7. Re:Free Hans by Swimport · · Score: 1

      The CRX is a two seater. He couldn't fit two kids in the first place.

    8. Re:Free Hans by glwtta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nina's boyfriend Sean Sturgeon allegedly practices BDSM, raped Nina, engages in "death yoga", made death threats against Hans...

      And Hans is allegedly a murderer, what's your point?

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    9. Re:Free Hans by Duds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Guess which one the cops arrested and which one isn't even a suspect?

      I'm going with "The one who all the evidence points to", namely Hans.

    10. Re:Free Hans by 10Ghz · · Score: 1

      "Death Yoga"? Is that something like Tai Chi of Doom?

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    11. Re:Free Hans by I'm+just+joshin · · Score: 1

      Um, I remember as a kid having my dad stuff me, my sister, and my brother in his Vette. 2 of us would sit in the passenger seat and one of us would sit/lay on the shelf behind the seats. Might not be legal, but we lived. -J

    12. Re:Free Hans by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      At any rate, you odn't know local politics. It sounds like this Sturgeon was fairly well connected, at least. So that might very well have been a determining factor in why he wasn't even scrutinized, despite his practices and ethics.

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    13. Re:Free Hans by undii · · Score: 1

      Blame Bill Gates!

    14. Re:Free Hans by Swimport · · Score: 1

      2 of us would sit in the passenger seat and one of us would sit/lay on the shelf behind the seats. Might not be legal, but we lived. -J

      You're lucky you lived!

    15. Re:Free Hans by Maelwryth · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know the time line of this compared to openSUSE dropping going to ext3? I haven't been on the net for a couple of months.

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    16. Re:Free Hans by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Hmm, chair..err...seat goes missing, certain large operating system company feeling threatened by the rise of Linux...

      I think I'm beginning to see a connection

    17. Re:Free Hans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just because Reiser says he does those things does not mean he does.

      And with that said, BDSM is not unhealthy, unnatural, or indicate further problems. Maybe more deviant than other sexual practices, but not abnormal.

    18. Re:Free Hans by coug_ · · Score: 1

      Nina's boyfriend Sean Sturgeon allegedly practices BDSM, raped Nina, engages in "death yoga", made death threats against Hans, cheated with a married woman, and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Hans Reiser:
      http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.h tml This would have more validity if it weren't for the fact that the only person making these allegations is Hans Reiser.
    19. Re:Free Hans by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Yes, but did it have a Type-R sticker? Nothing makes a car go fast like a Type-R sticker.

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    20. Re:Free Hans by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Nina's boyfriend Sean Sturgeon allegedly practices BDSM

      Assuming that's true, exactly how does practicing BDSM mean you're a likely murder suspect?

      raped Nina, made death threats against Hans

      Both hearsay arguments made by Hans. I'd like to see some kind of evidence for this other than an ex-husbands allegations.

      engages in "death yoga"
      I didn't know what this was until I read the article, but apparently it's just slowing down your heart rate. How does that have anything to do with someone being a likely murder suspect? Oh it does have the word "death" in it, so it must somehow involve actually killing people. Are people who listen to "death metal" also potential murder suspects?

      cheated with a married woman,

      This is probbably at least likely (since the two were together before her death). But what does it have to do with him being a murder suspect?

      and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Hans Reiser:

      Another allegation by Reiser which we have no other real evidence for. But even if true, why is that a motive for him to murder Nina?

      Hans Reiser, on the other hand, is a linux developer.

      Ahh.. well obviously if he does anything I personally like and approve of he can't be a murder suspect.

      Guess which one the cops arrested and which one isn't even a suspect?

      Maybe the one who Nina Reiser had a temporary restraining order against him in 2004 for allegedly pushing her? A restraining order is really easy to get and isn't proof that Hans was violent. But it at least shows she was afraid of him. I don't know if Hans did it, the other guy did it, or neither. But the facts that we have point more toward Hans at the moment. Casting suspicion on someone who you have really no evidence to suspect is simply dishonest.

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    21. Re:Free Hans by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      In fact, in parts of the USA, if the cops caught somebody doing this, they would simply take custody of the kids.

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    22. Re:Free Hans by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      People remove the passenger seat, rear wiper, AC, and other parts from their CRXs all the time for additional weight reduction.

      And was Hans into street racing, or was the car like that when he bought it? If not, it's kind of suspicious. If so, it probbably means nothing.

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    23. Re:Free Hans by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      The thing is, the cops were pretty skeptical about Reiser's story about a "one-armed man"...

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    24. Re:Free Hans by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      That fact that Sturgeon settled out of court rather than try to refute the claims actually lends a little credibility to it. After all, with claims that outrageous it should be easy for the defendant in the suit to win judgment in their favor if they are not true. Real easy to make the plaintiff out to be a nutter. But, instead he chose to settle. Makes one wish settled lawsuits were public records. Very interesting indeed.

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    25. Re:Free Hans by Don853 · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's very interesting at all. Sturgeon sued Hans over a loan that allegedly wasn't paid back, and they settled out of court. This could be because Hans had no case and paid without having to deal with the courts. It could be because Sturgeon figured the amount he was going to get settling made it not worth going for the rest. It wasn't a slander suit, so it probably doesn't have much to do with Hans's claims about Sturgeon's sexual indiscressions one way or another.

    26. Re:Free Hans by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Holy shit that's funny. Mod parent up!

    27. Re:Free Hans by NightHwk1 · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert on Yoga, but I've done some casual Googling and found that there is no such thing as "Death Yoga", at least not as described by Reiser, meant to slow down one's heart to the point of death.

      Death Yoga (which probably has another more common name) is a meditation where the goal is the death of the ego, similar to Zen sitting. Based on the information about Reiser that's been circling around, I'd say it would have been a good idea for him to practice this type of Yoga...

    28. Re:Free Hans by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1
      Both hearsay arguments made by Hans. I'd like to see some kind of evidence for this other than an ex-husbands allegations.
      Techincally, Hans is a widower, not, as you imply, a divorced man. The divorce proceedings were not completed. The fact that Hans was in the process of divorcing his wife is not relevant to those allegations he made against Sean Sturgeon. The allegations Hans made do, however, justify investigating Sturgeon, possibly as a suspect.
    29. Re:Free Hans by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      The fact that Hans was in the process of divorcing his wife is not relevant to those allegations he made against Sean Sturgeon.
      Sure they are. Credibility is always a factor in determining truth, especially when you have no other evidence. A huband in the process of divorce proceedings is simply less credible than someone who's not. He has reason to lie, to be affected by his own emotions, etc. The police don't have an infinite amount of resources to investigate every claim, so credibility is entirely relevant.

      The allegations Hans made do, however, justify investigating Sturgeon, possibly as a suspect.

      Why do the allegations alone mean Sturgeon should be investigated? Is there any other evidence that the rape and threat allegations are true? The rest of them have nothing to do with Sturgeon being a suspect (and really only make the case that Reiser was trying to smear Sturgeon, as BDSM and "death yoga" have nothing to do with murder.

      Obviously Sturgeon should be investigated to some degree because he was Nina's lover, and 9 times out of 10 it was a lover or former lover that commits this kind of murder. My guess is the police department did some kind of preliminary investigation. It just happens that the evidence is pointing towards Reiser.

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    30. Re:Free Hans by kchrist · · Score: 1

      Says you. I once participated in the fitting of no less than seven people into a CRX. Thank god we weren't going far.

    31. Re:Free Hans by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      You know, you are absolutely correct.

      It matters very little what the facts may be, us mystery novel fans will surely agree to that, assumption is so much more fun. I for one given all the other details would love to see what the suit's actual outcome was. Since we are all here speculating what person did what when with regard to whom it would be nice to have a full set of facts to base these guesses on.

      If you don't care, that's fine. It's not like anyone on /. (including me) has an opinion that matters in anyway at all regarding this.

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    32. Re:Free Hans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There actually are forms in Tai Chi / Wu Shu which can be used offensively, e.g. push hands (http://www.taichiacademy.com/pushhands.htm), and they can include the use of a sword.
      Granted, it's still not exactly a combat style overall.

    33. Re:Free Hans by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      Guess which one the cops arrested and which one isn't even a suspect?

            Those are all claims from Hans. And the boyfriend still has all his car seats. Hans doesn't.

        rd

    34. Re:Free Hans by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      The fact that Hans' passenger seat was removed is no shock, of all the cars on the road I'd guess that CRXs are most likely to have the seat taken out.

            The fact that the police stopped him in Redwood City a few days after his wide disappeared, and he still had his car seat then, should be a shock. He only took up "street racing" after that.

        rd

    35. Re:Free Hans by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      The allegations Hans made do, however, justify investigating Sturgeon, possibly as a suspect.

            It's way beyond that. It's blood evidence, in the house, and in his car with the missing seat.

        rd

    36. Re:Free Hans by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      ...a few days after his wide disappeared

            apparently a Freudian slip, but she was attractive, not wide.

        rd

  14. Re:Interesting thoughts... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

    What are you talking about?

    In the US the state only gets one shot, after that you can't be tried again.

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  15. police said by LM741N · · Score: 4, Funny

    That he tried to delete the evidence from his computer, but unfortunately he was using a journaling file system.

    1. Re:police said by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      That he tried to delete the evidence from his computer, but unfortunately he was using a journaling file system. ... but fortunately the journaling file system was reiserfs, and full to the brim!
    2. Re:police said by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Fortunately for him, he used his own.

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    3. Re:police said by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      you can recover stuff froma journalled file system? Who knew?

      I lost a simulation of a black hole - globular cluster collision that I'd spent weeks on because my FS was reiser. It got deleted because I was jet lagged and typed in the wrong rm command, then I couldn't find anything to undelete on reiserfs. I haven't used it since.

      Now I use ext2, with fat32 for long term storage, because there are readily available undelete tools for those file systems.

    4. Re:police said by jZnat · · Score: 2, Informative

      alias rm='rm -i'
      Never fuck up a remove again! It might get annoying, but at least you know you won't screw anything up.

      You could also use a trash of some sort:

      rm()
      {
        mv "$@" ~/.Trash/
      }
      Use /bin/rm when you're sure of what you're doing.
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    5. Re:police said by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      excellent stuff! Thanks.

    6. Re:police said by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Never fuck up a remove again! It might get annoying, but at least you know you won't screw anything up.

      Until you're on a system which isn't set up the way you expect, and you've developed a cavalier approach with commands like rm.

    7. Re:police said by maj1k · · Score: 1

      or you get used to typing 'rm -rf file' all the time because you get annoyed with typing 'rm file' & 'y'

  16. Re:Interesting thoughts... by Thyrus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You guys are lucky! Here in the UK they Government/Police can keep trying again and again until they get the result they want.

  17. Re:Interesting thoughts... by John_Schmidt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not quite. If a full jury (every single member) finds you not guilty, you are done. If any single member can not make up their mind, it is a mistrial, and the state gets to try again. And again. And again.

  18. Also featured on ELER by Bazman · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Also featured on ELER by doti · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's why it stopped publishing new strips?

      Which is sad, they were fun.

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  19. Scott Peterson is laughing by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Maybe Hans can be convicted on no actual evidence whatsoever besides the dazzling smile of his now dead, heavily pregnant cheerleader all American wife. Not that sending people to death row on less evidence than you would put down a dog is bad, mind you.

    1. Re:Scott Peterson is laughing by oblivionboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually if I recall correctly she was Russian, and studying to be a medical doctor.

  20. Has she been found yet? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, seriously, anyone who's ever touched Reiser knows that there are things that go missing from time to time, but sometimes they reemerge without you doing anything whatsoever. Maybe they should just sit there and wait, maybe rearrange a few pieces of furniture and I bet she'll suddenly and mysteriously appear in the middle of the living room.

    Yes, I do agree, we need a "tasteless" tag.

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  21. The one thing you didn't mock by nietsch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    was the revenge bit, which was at the center of that argument. Do you really think revenge is going to do any good? You know where an 'eye for an eye' leads to? If you need to kill somebody to feel better, no matter what the circumstances, you belong behind bars or in a psychiatric ward.

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    1. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "Do you really think revenge is going to do any good?"

      Yes

      "you belong behind bars or in a psychiatric ward."

      In your irrelevant opinion.

    2. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by nietsch · · Score: 1

      So, do you mean to say that if condition X happens, you turn into a murderer, if X is the killing of a loved one? (only that or also when somebody calls you a faggot or looks the wrong way at your sister?) That makes you a potential murderer, and I think that is pretty scary.
      I will state it again, if your feelings depend on somebody getting hurt or killed, then you are pathetic (pathetic as from paschein: to suffer)Get some help before you hurt somebody.
      And irrelevant? Perhaps, but you tought enough of it to respond...

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    3. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "you turn into a murderer, if X is the killing of a loved one?"

      Depends doesn't it. But if someone killed a member of my family while I was nearby do you think I'd sit around and ask them about their childhood? Get real.

      "if your feelings depend on somebody getting hurt or killed, then you are pathetic (pathetic as from paschein: to suffer)Get some help before you hurt somebody."

      I think most people would think you are the pathetic one with your turn the other cheek approach. Thats the cowards way out which people like you disguise as some sort of moral high ground. IMO people like you are just as much of the problem as the criminals you make me sick.

    4. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by Atzanteol · · Score: 1
      Can you see us down here from atop your high horse? Seriously, I think you grossly underestimate the amount of "wrong" a single person can do. There are times when the sins committed by an individual are so great there really is no way to obtain justice or peace afterwards. There is no way that individual can ever repay for their sins, no way they can *ever* be properly punished, and thus the only payment they can offer is with their own life.

      Is it revenge? Maybe. Is it punishment? Sorta. I don't claim the victims will feel any better afterwards, because nothing can really replace what was lost. It's about the convicted paying for their wrong doing. The one thing it *does* offer for the victims is true closure.

      Would I pull the lever? You bet. Does that make me a potential murderer? Well, in your eyes I suppose it does. But murder is also defined by the *reason* as well as the action. I consider it to be justifiable homicide myself. You have taken from me something so valuable and irreplaceable that your own life is forfeit. Not to mention the credible danger you now pose to society as a whole.

      Sure there are sometimes gray areas of doubt and uncertainty about whether the person convicted is the right one. But can you give me one good reason why somebody convicted *beyond any doubt* (not just "reasonable doubt") of multiple murders should ever be allowed to live afterwards? And why I would not be justified in calling for their execution?

      I've heard the "stooping to their level" argument and I don't feel it comes close to holding water. I haven't stooped to their level. I didn't lash out at an undeserving innocent person and kill them. I lashed out at somebody who tore my heart open and destroyed my happiness. There is a very big difference between the killing of an innocent person and the killing of one who deserves it. I won't make it pretty with fancy words, it's all killing in the end. But the *reason* is a world of a difference. You can pretend it doesn't, but I feel history and reason are on my side. And you can rest assured that you will be safe should you run into me in a dark alley.

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    5. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      People pretending to be bad mofos online makes me sick.

      If I only had a penny for each time anyone explained to an internet community how badass they are...

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    6. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Do you really think revenge is going to do any good?

      Revenge != Punishment

      You know where an 'eye for an eye' leads to?

      A world where people are very careful not to poke someone else's eye out.

      If you need to kill somebody to feel better, no matter what the circumstances, you belong behind bars or in a psychiatric ward.

      You should tell that to someone who has had their entire family murdered...
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    7. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Its nothing to do with being a "mofo" or "badass" you stupid kid, its everything about defending your family. Get a life.

    8. Re:The one thing you didn't mock by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      I have a life, not same as yours, good for me.

      Cheers mate!

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  22. Purpose of Prison by Alethes · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing the purpose of prison is justice. I won't say all, but I would imagine most people have a keen sense of when justice has been done. I also believe that when justice is not done, it really bothers most people -- whether the just result is punishment or reward.

    1. Re:Purpose of Prison by HuguesT · · Score: 1
      Hello,


      would imagine most people have a keen sense of when justice has been done


      I don't imagine that for a moment, myself.
    2. Re:Purpose of Prison by opk · · Score: 1

      I'd say that, more than justice, the purpose of prison is to protect society from future crime. If a murderer goes unpunished it would be an unfair result that would bother people slightly. Far more bothering, however is when that murderer goes on to commit more crime or when the lack of an effective justice system encourages other potential murderers.

    3. Re:Purpose of Prison by Magikomik · · Score: 1
      One someone is murdered it is great loss to the relatives, family and all persons connected or dependent of the victim, including the parts of society. Such loss shall be in some way, by my opinion, brought into just. But revenge and justice are not synonyms. By revenge it is to inflict harm in return for some injury, insult and to get satisfaction. Justice is about bringin equity. Don't mix those two, they are not same.

      By having impacted loss, murder, shall not be punished in sense of sitting in some prison without doing anything. Such loss will not be "just" by spending time in prison or anywhere. The murderer shall be punished to reimbursment of the loss. Hereby I would like to cite the Penal Code, by L. Ron Hubbard from: http://humanitarian.lronhubbard.org/penal.htm

      12. Loss of life by intent shall be deemed a capital crime and shall be actionable by a total reimbursement of loss of their interest to all financially involved persons and substitution insofar as possible by the offender and failing the latter shall be further disciplined as the judge of the court, after due unanimous findings by the jury, shall decree.

      13. The death sentence shall not be part of any penal code of the country.

  23. Unbelievable by h890231398021 · · Score: 1

    In addition, police said the couple's son said he overheard his parents arguing on the day Nina Reiser disappeared. The boy, who was playing video games in the basement at the time, said his father told him not to come up from the basement, police said.

    The police interviewing Hans's son and then using what the son said against his own father is unbelievable. There's no accusation that Hans ever harmed his kids, and surely the kids are suffering enough without watching their own words possibly put their father into prison for the rest of his life. That's just sad.

    1. Re:Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Police: Did you hear arguing?

      Son: Now that you mention it, I may have.

      Police: Did they tell you you stay in the basement?

      Son: Now that you mention it, they may have.

      Police: Good. Now what else can you tell us without us influencing your answers in any way?

      Police: (to themselves) we better not mention anything about Sean Sturgeon else we might have to investigate a person we have not already decided did it

      news article:

      Reiser alleged that Sturgeon "had been having a secret affair with defendant's wife, Nina Reiser, at the time of the loan."

      Reiser said Sturgeon "continues this illicit affair even during divorce proceedings currently in action" and that Sturgeon "even apparently is, in defiance of a court order, residing with defendant's wife and children."

      Reiser also alleged, "It is well known and was well known to plaintiff (Sturgeon) that the majority of the allegedly loaned funds were spent exclusively by Nina Reiser."

      Reiser said the fact that Sturgeon didn't name Nina Reiser as a defendant and named him as an individual "is clear evidence of his malicious intent to destroy defendant's marriage and leave the defendant to clean up the wreckage and pay the debts."

      In a cross-complaint that Reiser filed against Sturgeon on Sept. 8, 2005, Reiser said Sturgeon acted as his financial agent from 1999 through 2002 and had access to and control over deposits, withdrawals and funds at the Patelco Credit Union.

      Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her."

      Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time."

      He said Sturgeon engaged in those techniques "in an effort to show that he was a better man than I and to convince my wife Nina to conspire with him to steal the Namesys Inc. company assets."

      Reiser alleged that, "Sean has threatened to have me beaten up by some of his associates in illegal activities and that he would hurt me, my mother or my children if he did not get what he wanted."


      (emphasis added)
  24. Re:his wife by Andrei+D · · Score: 1

    He didn't directly kill her...
    Of course he didn't... He just sent her a SIGKILL... kill -9 needs no justification

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  25. Re:his wife by Fretje · · Score: 1

    You mean "asploded" ?

  26. Replacement for ReiserFS Announced!!! by Eradicator2k3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It'll be called IFIDIDITFS.

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  27. +1 Informative on the MQR standard by MarkusQ · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the link; I had not heard any of that. While some of the points are hearsay, the pattern does make it look like the boyfriend should be considered at least as much of a suspect as Reiser.

    --MarkusQ

    1. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Informative

      er, ALL of the points seem to be hearsay from the article. All were claims by Hans, and nothing was reported to substantiate those claims.

      I'm sure the police would have looked at her current love interest, and apparently they didn't find cause to suspect him as much as Reiser.

    2. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by redelm · · Score: 1
      You trust the cops too much. They have pressure to close cases and press charges. Little/no fallout if it's the wrong guy. Anyone with an alibi that checks out is off. Anyone without is in. It doesn't matter that perps carefully manufacture alibis, nor that most people don't have one most of the time.

      Criminals prey upon people. Police prey upon criminals. They get mixed up. The enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend.

    3. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Where did it say I trust the cops entirely? I am sure the cops would look at the love interest. Whether they would be correct is a different matter, but I'm sure they looked at it.

      Nowhere in the linked article is there any evidence that any of those claims *made by Hans* are true. I think it is extremely likely that if a woman was dating someone like that, she would confide in a friend or relative of the situation before she told her estranged husband. The police could find that out with very little legwork. Since there were no corroborating statements by anyone else in the linked article, I can't put any much faith in any of that being true from this distance. Can you?

    4. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by WindBourne · · Score: 1
      I'm sure the police would have looked at her current love interest, and apparently they didn't find cause to suspect him as much as Reiser.

      Well, before making that assumption, lets wait and see. I have witnessed police at work on murders and have seen they will overlook evidence along the way. As it is, they may think that the blood trail is a bit easier while disregarding the fact that it is fairly trivial to leave a bit of blood around.

      But to be honest, IIRC, he bought some book about hiding evidence right after her disappearance. That would make me suspect

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    5. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by LurkerXXX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure the cops might screw up. But if this guy had drugged her several times, was into 'death yoga', yadda, yadda, yadda, don't you think she'd tell a close friend or family member about this before she told her estranged husband? If a woman I knew disappeared and I knew that about the boyfriend, I'd be all over the cops to check it out, and make sure reporters EVERYWHERE heard about it so that they'd add on the pressure to quadruple check the boyfriends alibi. Why haven't we heard about any of her family or friends telling this in the news? Instead it's only come from Hans, her estranged husband, and suspect in the case...

      I certainly haven't seen all the evidence, but from what I've heard so far, it just doesn't look good for Hans.

    6. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by redelm · · Score: 1

      Ah, but those claims were made in legal filings before Nina's disappearance. Presumably there was some evidence to back them up, and it appears the case settled. More will come out in the trial. I certainly wouldn't expect anything now. I believe in "Innocent Until Proven Guilty". Do you?

    7. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Yes, which is why I said I don't buy an estranged husband claims about a man drugging his ex-wife until I see some corroborating evidence. I didn't say Hans murdered her. I was merely saying that his pointing to another guy wasn't very convincing without more evidence besides his word alone.

    8. Re:+1 Informative on the MQR standard by redelm · · Score: 1
      The evidence is not public [yet]. The reporter presumably had enough basis to report the tort filings and get it past the CBS editor. There's always more that isn't reported, and influences what gets out. I don't trust reporters much, but I trust the police less. But we will see.

  28. Re:Plenty of time to write code by glwtta · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'll just start hurding all of us coders into 'state correctional institions'

    Gods, that'd be even worse!

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  29. Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    I have no idea if Hans Reiser killed Nina Resier or not. However, I do believe she is dead. Nina Resier was Russian and I have had experience with women from the former Soviet Union. They can be very loving and very feminine and this what attracts men to them. Unfortunately, many of them have anger management issues and can turn into screaming demons from hell at little provocation. My ex-fiancee was from Ukraine and we didn't complete the process to get her a fiancee visa so she could immigrate to America because of her anger. My experience has been that unfortunately most, but not all, of the women in that part of the world tend to be control freaks and have anger management issues. My ex-fiancee would scream at me at the top of her lungs for trivial things, like sitting too close to the TV. From what I've read, I'd say that Nina is probably a typical angry Russian woman and one might think that maybe an angry woman would just disappear to set up an estranged husband.

    However, there are two things that trump that. One is that it really is not typical of these women to disappear. Their style is to hire a good lawyer and try to take everything you've got in a divorce case. They can be vindictive beyond belief. The other thing is that these women are unbelievably devoted mothers and there is no chance at all that Nina would abandon her children. None. A Russian woman would never abandon her children. She might fight in court to keep them away from her husband, but abandon them to him? Never. That is why I am convinced that Nina is dead.

    1. Re:Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by jafac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, that's not Russian Women.

      That's ALL women.

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    2. Re:Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by Doctor+O · · Score: 3, Funny

      And only on /. can this be modded +3, Insightful.

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    3. Re:Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by cralewyth · · Score: 1

      What, you mean you disagree?

      (Tongue firmly stapled in cheek)

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    4. Re:Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by Doctor+O · · Score: 1

      You see, I'm married. I don't have ANY opinion on women. ESPECIALLY other women.

      (Dito.)

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    5. Re:Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by jafac · · Score: 1

      Well, looks like you fared better with the karma farming in this thread.

      I only got 2 points, and you got 4!

      I was disappointed to see "insightful" mods for my post, because;
      "Honest honey, it was a joke!"
      "I'm not laughing."
      "I was just kidding. I didn't MEAN it literally!"

      (sometimes, winning karma means sleeping on the couch. . . )

      You see, I'm married. I don't have ANY opinion on women. ESPECIALLY other women.

      So, your wife doesn't cajole you into dissing other women? ("gawd she's fat." "why, yes, honey, I agree completely!")

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    6. Re:Why I think Nina Reiser is dead by Doctor+O · · Score: 1
      Actually I was genuinely amazed by the moderation of your post, especially if you consider that the /. user stereotype is that of the eternal virgin living in his parents' basement. My karma was already at 50 when it was still numeric. Your UID is small enough that I know you remember that time. ;)

      Then again, we both got two moderations, I got 2 funny, you got 2 insightful, the rest is from your modifiers I suppose...

      (sometimes, winning karma means sleeping on the couch. . . ) *ggg* You see, my wife doesn't speak English. No, I won't swap. ;)

      So, your wife doesn't cajole you into dissing other women? ("gawd she's fat." "why, yes, honey, I agree completely!") No, she doesn't. Yet. Luckily she can't read your comment and get ideas from it. ;)
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  30. Re:Plenty of time to write code by ray-auch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Luckily you know you've got decades to avoid that particular fate...

  31. Re:Interesting thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well, in theory 'can not make up their mind' means 'reasonable doubt' which should equal not guilty. So the state should only succeed when they have an iron-clad case. Reality, of course, is rarely so simple.

  32. my theory by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    My theory is that 'the other guy' did it. Que bono? Who benefits? Neither the wife nor Reiser does, obviosuly, with this chain of events. If Reiser goes away for a long ,long time, this 3rd guy - the guy that seduced his wife - doesn't have to worry about anything. It's the perfect setup.

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    1. Re:my theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Que bono? Who benefits?

      That's cui bono... it's Latin, not Spanish.

    2. Re:my theory by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      *bangs forehead on desk*

      Thanks. I did know that, honest to doug.

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    3. Re:my theory by nomadic · · Score: 1

      y theory is that 'the other guy' did it. Que bono? Who benefits? Neither the wife nor Reiser does

      Are you serious? He's paying his wife $8,000 a month in alimony and fighting her for custody. And what do you mean, "perfect setup"? What does this guy gain from her death? "doesn't have to worry about anything"? What's he worrying about now?

    4. Re:my theory by aonifer · · Score: 1

      Que bono?

      What, Bono? I don't think he did it.

    5. Re:my theory by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      My theory is that 'the other guy' did it. Que bono? Who benefits? Neither the wife nor Reiser does, obviosuly, with this chain of events. If Reiser goes away for a long ,long time, this 3rd guy - the guy that seduced his wife - doesn't have to worry about anything. It's the perfect setup.
      You're right, and there's no way the cops would have thought of it!

      Twat.

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  33. Re:his wife by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Nope. Sturgeon killed her. I'm suspecting it's politically motivated, or at least financially.

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  34. Re:Interesting thoughts... by Ngwenya · · Score: 3, Informative
    You guys are lucky! Here in the UK they Government/Police can keep trying again and again until they get the result they want.


    Not quite true. Firstly, this only applies to England and Wales. Scotland still has the "no double jeopardy" rule. Secondly, the state can try once for a second trial, but only if evidence which could not have been available at the initial trial is available. ISTR that permission from the House of Lords is needed to even launch another trial - and the HoL will refuse if the evidence is not the sort which would have radically altered the original outcome if not challenged. Also, I think that the offences covered for this sort of double jeopardy must be the most serious type (murder, rape, etc.)

    I can't say I really approve of it (equality of arms, and all that), but then, we don't have the death penalty, so it's not like a defendant appeal couldn't be launched. The first conviction under these rules was for someone who had been acquitted and then confessed publicly to the murder [although even a freely given confession doesn't necessarily count as new evidence!]

    The block who 'fessed up pleaded guilty at the second trial. See here for more details.
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  35. Re:ReiserFS: by kwrxxx · · Score: 1

    It is a Killer App!

  36. Government distrust is rooted in our history by CrayDrygu · · Score: 1
    "Ofcourse this just might be a scandinavian thing as we generally don't think that our governments require any extra effort to keep them in line, they seem to do quite well on their own."

    That's interesting to know. Honestly, I'm amazed that it works as well as you say it does, but like I said in the subject line, distrust of the government is rooted in the USA's history.

    The country was founded by a group of folks who felt persecuted by their government, after all. Our very Constitution is written to take power away from the leaders, and guarantee rights to the citizens. A look at the Bill of Rights proves that pretty easily. The first amendment prevents the government from silencing its citizens. The second was intended to prevent the government from disarming its citizens. The third prevents it from "unreasonably" searching citizens or taking their property. And the ninth specifies that rights cannot be denied just because the Constitution doesn't specifically mention them.

    As they say, "power corrupts." The people who founded our government not only knew this, but they did the best they could to prevent that corruption from harming the citizens. How well they did is, obviously, up for debate, but it's undeniable that they tried.

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    1. Re:Government distrust is rooted in our history by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, you have nothing to fear from a true American running your country.

      The problem occurs when you have ppl running it who are more in love of the all mighty dollar/euro/yen/etc (or is on their own agenda that has nothing to do with the long-term country interests) than they are in the principles that true Americans relish.

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  37. I know who did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Microsoft murdered Nina Reiser and framed Hans for it. They just couldn't take all the heat reiserfs was putting on ntfs!

  38. Well documented by glas_gow · · Score: 1

    If he was the developer of proprietary software and he cut his wife into pieces, the authorities would have a hell of a time discovering the algorithm with which he disassembled her. As it stands, she's probably sorted into a well documented balanced-tree. Shame we can't say the same for old Hans' emotional attributes.

  39. Angry nerds by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I used to call a BBS back in the day where the SysOp got arrested for trying to hire someone to kill a rival SysOp for taking his girlfriend. I don't actually know anything about the Hans Reiser case, but it would not surprise me if it were true.

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  40. Re:WRONG by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is why I love Slashdot. Some places have too much absurdity; some places have too little. Anonymous Coward on Slashdot tends to strike the perfect balance.

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  41. Net BDSM vs Linux by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    Death Yoga would (at worst) softly update the victim, whereas Reiser's system rolls the victim back. C'mon, dude, who do you think that points to, as a murderer?

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  42. Compass first, GPS second; always. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    You'd probably be better off with a $5 or $10 compass in addition to the paper road maps you probably already have, than a GPS.

    Knowing that you're at 41.771312N 103.886719W is a whole lot less useful than knowing which direction to walk in to get to the nearest road or town. I made the mistake of going into the woods once with a GPS and without a compass, and I spent more time wandering around in boxes, trying to get the machine to tell me which direction I was heading, than I would have if I had just brought a compass and walked out to the nearest road.

    GPS units are darned handy, don't get me wrong, but they're no replacement for the basics.

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    1. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you had a crappy GPS, or you need to learn how to use it. I have a $100 Garmin Legend b/w hand held, which for $80 I got Maps for US and Canada that I can load onto it (well, not all of them as it only has 8MB flash, but I can load in the expected area, and it has base interstate and state routes built in).

      Beyond having a map, I can just put it in "compass" mode and it gives me both the lat/long coordinates as well as a nice compass display with south or whatever direction I'm heading.

      Of course this isn't as nice as a real NAV system, but with a laptop, or some planning, or again the ability to read a map + compass mode, it gives you both the compass and more waypoint etc capibilities.

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    2. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even if you forgot your compass, you can always do this trick if you've got an analogue watch:

      This works in the Northern Hemisphere.

      Take the watch off your wrist and hold it horizontally.

      Point the hour hand at the sun.

      Halfway between that and 12 is South.

      It's not accurate to one degree, but for getting un-lost, it's close enough.

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    3. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by cloricus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a geek who loves GPS but in a survival situation I would much rather rely on the low tech solution.
      I have had extensive training with GPS (civilian and military) and three different types of compasses (normal, prismatic, digital) plus how to read all of them in relation to a map. Based on this I think your implication that it has anything to do with the equipment or the user is wrong or at least side stepping the issue.

      The biggest problem with a GPS is that it is prone to failure from all of the elements; to hot, to cold, to much pressure (weight applied) and it dies. As well as the well known issues I know with my nature of being a geek I would priorities the importance of its power cells towards communication devices in the event that I really need rescuing rendering it completely useless anyway.

      I started off being a huge fan of GPS over other means when I started doing a lot of camping and bush walking though I quickly (around six months) switched to having a standard $70 silver attached to me at all times when out bush. Don't get me wrong I think people should have both - I just don't think they should always expect that GPS to work. Having some thing you know will always be there and have an acceptable margin of error that you know is far more important, in my opinion, than know where you are down to the centimeter and having no guarantees.

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    4. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It's not accurate to one degree, but for getting un-lost, it's close enough.

      Following water is always a decent bet too. Find a stream and follow it down-hill. Eventually you'll find a bigger stream, and eventually you'll find a river. What's built on/by rivers? Civilization.

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    5. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by oh_the_humanity · · Score: 1

      Mine just shows 10:10.....

      guess its only an anologe trick.

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    6. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by mav[LAG] · · Score: 1

      If you're in the Southern Hemisphere, turn around first :)

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    7. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by AsnFkr · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's on/by rivers?

      Bears?

    8. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Bears?

      Unless your name is Stephen Colbert bears will usually just as soon leave you alone. Most of them you don't even know they are there because they go out of their way to avoid humans.

      And I'll take a chance encounter with wildlife over straving to death any day.

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    9. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by HuffMeister · · Score: 1

      James Kim did that, they think. Turns out that's not always the best bet, for the record. That's older-school survival technique, I guess.

    10. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      James Kim did that, they think. Turns out that's not always the best bet, for the record. That's older-school survival technique, I guess.

      I think the tennis shoes and his clothing might have had more to do with it then trying to follow water. Not that I'm bashing him -- you use what you have -- but this should be a warning to carry at least some supplies in your car if you are going to be in the wilderness.

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    11. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by styrotech · · Score: 1

      If you are really lost though - you won't know which hemisphere you are in.

    12. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by drix · · Score: 1

      Or better yet: the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

      This works in both hemispheres.

      (Cool trick though.)

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    13. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by afabbro · · Score: 1

      Damn my 24-hour Fortis watch!

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    14. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Eventually you'll find a bigger stream, and eventually you'll find a river. What's built on/by rivers? Civilization.

      Unless the stream feeds into a big swamp, which you then slog around in, or worse, feeds into a remote lake with lots of swamps surrounding it (to slog around in).

    15. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      This works in the Northern Hemisphere.

      No, it's just that in the Southern Hemisphere, it will be pointing approximately north, instead of south.

      Take the watch off your wrist and hold it horizontally.
      Point the hour hand at the sun.
      Halfway between that and 12 is South

      That is the most overly complicated trick I've ever heard.

      It depends on having a clock accurately set to local time. Both traversing time-zones, and daylight savings, can significantly skew the results.

      Some much more useful tricks:
      - The sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
      - When the sun is at it's peak (around 12:00 noon), your shadow will point north if in the northern hemisphere, or south in the southern hemisphere. If you're near the equator, too bad.
      - The two stars which make-up the "cup" end of the BIG dipper, point torwards the last star in the handle of the LITTLE dipper. That star is Polaris, the North Star, and it is a very accurate indication of north.
      - The vast majority of rivers in the world flow southward, and following one, downstream is almost always a good idea.

      Any other good ones?
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    16. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's not a terribly useful method at night or if it's snowing or raining.

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    17. Re:Compass first, GPS second; always. by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that in the summer, thanks to some idiot deciding it would be better artificially to fuck with everybody's clocks than just have businesses working 08:00 to 16:00 as opposed to 09:00 to 17:00, midday actually occurs at 13:00, not 12:00. So in summer, halfway between the hour hand and one is South. Approximately; though it's exact on the two aequinoxes.

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  43. MOD PARENT UP! by jZnat · · Score: 1

    So fucking true. Sad thing is, on digg, this post would be moderated to -100 or something.

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  44. For the black and white, that's fine... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    While that might seem like a good solution on the surface, it doesn't work well in the grey areas where the authorities weren't acting in bad faith per se; the police officer might have thought that he was conducting a legal search, or had reasonable cause to enter, but on further review it was found that he didn't. There are a lot of situations I can think of, where the police officer shouldn't be punished, but the evidence found shouldn't be admissible either. The situation isn't always as cut-and-dried as some guy beating a confession out of somebody.

    It's not necessary to do something that's deserving of punishment in order to invalidate the evidence. In fact, I think it's probably good that we have stricter standards for evidence admission than just "what isn't illegal."

    But hey, if what the Finns have works for them, that's peachy by me. I've yet to see a criminal-justice system that I'd prefer, as a whole, to the one we have here in the U.S., and I've been looking for a while. Our system has its failures -- and some high-profiles ones at that -- but it works well most of the time, and I think its failure rate is well below the level of maximum acceptability.

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    1. Re:For the black and white, that's fine... by rhizome · · Score: 1

      While that might seem like a good solution on the surface, it doesn't work well in the grey areas where the authorities weren't acting in bad faith per se; the police officer might have thought that he was conducting a legal search, or had reasonable cause to enter, but on further review it was found that he didn't. There are a lot of situations I can think of, where the police officer shouldn't be punished, but the evidence found shouldn't be admissible either. The situation isn't always as cut-and-dried as some guy beating a confession out of somebody.

      Wait, are you saying that ignorance of the law is no excuse, except under the color of authority?

      Steve Martin once had a bit: "I forgot! Your honor, I forgot armed robbery was against the law."

      Sorry, but these are the people whose jobs it is to know the laws they're enforcing. Their entire job. Well actually, that and filling out forms. Like many citizens, I have higher standards than what occurs in the day to day world, but simply building in an excuse for one occupation to break the law (the Bill of Rights, even) is pretty lame.

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    2. Re:For the black and white, that's fine... by kocsonya · · Score: 1

      Try to look at it this way:
      This is the only piece evidence that proves, beyond doubt, that Joe killed 20 kids. The evidence was obtained by illegal means (say, illegal search).

      USA: Evidence is not admissible, Joe is a free man, gets his job back at the local kindergarten. Police officer is screamed at by the DA. Some people look at Joe with suspicion when kids start to disappear again.

      Finnland: Joe is a bloody mass murderer who should, and will, rot in jail for what he committed. Police officer broke the law, goes to trial for breaking and entering. Parents of the 20 children petition the president to pardon him.

      If someone committed a crime, (s)he should get punished for it. The way of unearthing the truth does not change its truth value. The way might be illegal and a crime in itself, but that is a separate case which should be dealt with on its own merit. When deciding if someone is guilty you want the "truth, the full truth and nothing but the truth". No matter how the evidence was obtained, if it isn't tainted then it is part of the "full truth" the verdict should be based on. If you throw evidence which you know is real out on some technicality, you violate your own principle about the full truth.

      If you say that it is to keep the government in check, the Finnish way is actually better. Look:

      USA: You obtained the evidence illegally. Bad Government! Now you will watch the bad guy walk! Hah!

      Finnland: You obtained the evidence illegally! Bad Government! You will go to jail together with the bad guy!

    3. Re:For the black and white, that's fine... by scotch · · Score: 1

      I think the case is rarely as distinct as you make it out to be. Most of the time: if cops use illegal means to obtain evidence against someone; can you really trust the cops to not plant evidence since they can't follow the rules? The other part of it is that the rights violated by the misconduct of the cops (e.g. search and seizure, privacy, self-incrimination, counsel, etc) are more important to the principals of liberty than the occasional failure to punish a known criminal.

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    4. Re:For the black and white, that's fine... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      This is the only piece evidence that proves, beyond doubt, that Joe killed 20 kids. The evidence was obtained by illegal means (say, illegal search).

      First, while a popular gimmick in movies, it is quite rare that someone accused of a serious crime gets off on a "technicality".

      Second, if the evidence was obtained by illegal means, that in and of itself makes it doubtful. If cops cannot follow the law when gathering evidence, we cannot put full faith into their testimony. The exclusionary rule is not (or at least not just) about punishing the prosecutors and cops, it's about ensuring that any evidence against the accused is iron-clad accurate.

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  45. Make him pay restitution by amightywind · · Score: 1
    say regardless whether he is guilty or not, he should have access to a computer so that he can continue developing RaiserFS. One can argue that it will benefit the society at large because it is an open source technology tool. Also it would make a lot more sense as opposed to just let him lounge around all day, get fed and work out at the gym, while all of us pay for it.

    Most people have already switched to xfs. Reiser4 is not necessary anymore. I would rather make restitution to his poor wife's family if they don't string him up.

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  46. ReiserFS is dead.. by Junta · · Score: 1

    Even before this happened, SuSE had already announced a move away from it. Reiser will remain a fringe filesystem, along with JFS and XFS. Each has their merits, but the ext[234] filesystems perform sufficiently for general usage, are the most widely understood in terms of data recovery, are the most widely tested filesystems, and for more high-performance requirements (i.e. database), allocating a raw block device to the software without a filesystem is not uncommon.

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    1. Re:ReiserFS is dead.. by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      but until ext[34] gets online resize, I'm not abandoning my JFS or Reiser filesystems. WTF is the point of LVM if you can't resize your volumes while online?

    2. Re:ReiserFS is dead.. by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

      Even before this happened, SuSE had already announced a move away from it. Reiser will remain a fringe filesystem, along with JFS and XFS

      Suse moved away from ReiserFS. The GP was talking about Reiser4. With that said I would hardly call ReiserFS a fringe filesystem considering it was Suse's default filesystem for years and most Gentoo users also use ReiserFS.

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    3. Re:ReiserFS is dead.. by Junta · · Score: 1

      most Gentoo users also use ReiserFS I will give you the SuSE default (though SuSE's install base isn't that high, and in the lion's share of large scale SuSE deployments I've worked with lately, they used autoyast files that explicitly specified ext3 instead of reiser), but I think Gentoo users generally end up thinking what they and their closest friends do with it is indicative of all Gentoo users. Most Gentoo users I knew went for ext3, I went for JFS.
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  47. If the State doesn't, individuals will. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Actually, I think it is in the interest of society to exact revenge, if only by allowing the state to do it, we lessen the demand for individuals to do it themselves.

    American society is fundamentally violent and vindictive. If the state didn't provide a good show of making the guilty miserable, it wouldn't take six months for our justice system to regress into a mess of blood feuds and lynch mobs. People would probably be begging to stay in prison, because they knew that their victim's family would be waiting for them outside the gates to start the real punishment.

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  48. Slashdot ignored the Kim story by amightywind · · Score: 1
    You're a Digg reader? If so, go away. Yes the James Kim story was very tragic and I feel very much for the family. But based on the idiotic level of commentary that popped up on Digg regarding the story, I think it's better than Slashdot DIDN'T cover the story

    I am a digg reader because the moderation system is so much better than slashdot. Check out my brutal and succinct commentary on this matter. The story was of interest to gadget nerds and survivalists alike! The totality Kim's disasterous decision making during the ordeal merit Darwin Award consideration.

    he's up shit creek. If he did kill her, then he deserves it.

    I agree. And unlike OJ he will not find a tainted jury to keep him out of the big house.

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    1. Re:Slashdot ignored the Kim story by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      Funny, as far as I know, with no body you can't prove someone is dead. Why is that relevent...

      OH YEAH!! They haven't found Nina Reiser's body. That should put a dent in the prosecutor's case I think. Kind of like trying to prove that someone who has never had a million dollars stole a million dollars, especially when you found no money on them at all.

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  49. Re:his wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Or yoga death sex related.

  50. Nina's whereabouts by zoomshorts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Nina Reiser was last seen at her husband's home on Exeter Drive in the Oakland hills on Sept. 3, when she dropped off the couple's children. She failed to meet her best friend at her house later that evening, authorities said.

    Nina Reiser's 2001 Honda Odyssey minivan, with groceries inside, was found Sept. 9 in the city's Thornhill neighborhood. Neighbors first spotted the parked minivan Sept. 5, the day she was supposed to pick up her children at school, police said."

    The minivan was 'spotted' Sept 5th? But 'found' on Sept 9th? Groceries inside? When did the reciept show the groceries were purchased? Before she dropped the kids off or after? If it was after, something is fishy. Grocery store surveilance cameras?
    Hmmmmmm.

    Just my two cents worth.

    1. Re:Nina's whereabouts by Don853 · · Score: 1

      Could be that they "found" the minivan on the 9th, and when they asked the people in the neighborhood, they said something like "Oh yeah. That car's been parked there since Thursday. I thought maybe the Sullivans had guests for the weekend".

    2. Re:Nina's whereabouts by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 2

      The minivan was 'spotted' Sept 5th? But 'found' on Sept 9th? Groceries inside? When did the reciept show the groceries were purchased? Before she dropped the kids off or after? If it was after, something is fishy. Grocery store surveilance cameras?
      Hmmmmmm.


            Yeah, that was my big question in the beginning too. But she went to the grocery store with the kids on the way to Reiser's house (who was staying with his mom during the divorce).

            I have an analysis of the case at http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic. php?t=2899

        rd

  51. (Almost) Everyone. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone is a potential murderer; you just need to know the right buttons to push, or right circumstances to put them in, to make them (allow them?) to kill.

    That doesn't mean they're bad people. On the contrary, some of the nicest and most well-balanced people I know, would have zero compunction at all in blowing you away, if you in any way threatened or harmed their families. For that matter, neither would I; my obligation to protect my loved ones is far stronger than my obligation to not harm another human being that I don't know or particularly care about.

    I have always found people who claim that they just could not kill, to be oddities. I'm torn between simply believing that they're deluding themselves about their own nature, or accepting that there are people who are just wired so fundamentally differently than everyone I know. I suspect there is a combination of both at work; while some people might actually be just incapable of killing someone else regardless of circumstances, a greater number of people would just like to believe that about themselves, but would probably pull the trigger in the right situation or with the right conditioning. Personally, I have always found realistic introspection to be more useful than wishful self-delusion; I have a pretty good idea of the circumstances under which I'd kill someone else. By beginning from the assumption or knowledge that you could end someone else's life, you can work backwards to the various triggers that would produce that end, and perhaps avoid the situations entirely (if any of the situations are avoidable).

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    1. Re:(Almost) Everyone. by lee7guy · · Score: 1

      If only we could make stupidity more painful...

      Why would I listen to a masochist?

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    2. Re:(Almost) Everyone. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      I have always found people who claim that they just could not kill, to be oddities. I'm torn between simply believing that they're deluding themselves about their own nature, or accepting that there are people who are just wired so fundamentally differently than everyone I know.

      Killing someone is not easy. I have no problem believing that a quite large minority of people couldn't bring themselves to take someone else's life when it comes right down to it.

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  52. Don't drop the soap. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Eating, sleeping and going to the gym is not exactly living hell.

    That's what all the anal rape is for.

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    1. Re:Don't drop the soap. by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

      Raiser's prison IRC chat logs:
      [HRaiser944]: So we need to work on the caching a little more. There are some performance issues.
      [Developer38]: Yeah, the journals are not kept consistent at all times.
      [HRaiser944]: Uh..I gotta go Bubba is here to pound my ass, I'll have to get back to you in 10 minutes.
      [Developer34]: Don't worry we'll send petroleum jelly for Christmas, have fun!
      ...10 minutes later...
      [HRaiser944]: Alright! I'm back and Bubba is happy. I found if I don't struggle he doesn't beat me unconscious and I can get back to work in no time. Strangely I find a part of me likes it and I am secretly waiting for him. He can be a gentle giant sometimes...
      [Developer34]: So where were we? Caching...
      [HRaiser944]: Right, let me take a look at the source one more time.

  53. Not how it's done. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here in America, most technologically advanced country in the world, we have transcended your silly electronic transfer systems. Instead, we write the amount of money we wish to send on little rectangular pieces of paper, which we then send to the person to whom we'd like to send the funds, who takes it to their bank, who forwards it back to the original person's bank, who transfers the funds electronically. It's quite state-of-the-art, I assure you.

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  54. i can see it now... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 2, Funny

    the DA running around to get the jury pool filled with XFS, JFS, EXT4 and some snarky EXT2 developers...

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  55. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Ced_Ex · · Score: 2, Funny
    Kid has a good head on his soldiers


    The kid must be a Marine.
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  56. The OJ of Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This guy is the OJ of Open Source ... his very troubled relationship with a seemingly wayward wife has culminated in this sad episode.

  57. Re:Interesting thoughts... by diersing · · Score: 1

    But a verdict requires a unanimous conclusion of all jury members, if there is a split, be it 11-1, 1-11 or 6-6, its a hung jury, we reboot and try again (if prosecutors are so inclined that is).

  58. Re:Interesting thoughts... by friedo · · Score: 1

    A not-guilty verdict requires all members of the jury to have reasonable doubt. If only some do, and they can't convince the others, then you get a hung-jury mistrial.

  59. doesn't interest nerds by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    imagine if it had been Dvorak from PCmag

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  60. Re:Interesting thoughts... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    Also, can't you be re-tried if new material evidence comes up?
    -nB

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  61. Dvorak couldn't freeze by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 3, Funny

    With a heart of ice and a head of solid granite, Dvorak is like +20 against cold. He'd just stumble out of the mountains months later with an implausible story about finding Apple's secret underground research facility (where they're developing the top-secret "Vista Ready" iMac) and how RMS, Google's black helicopters, and a troop of Mac fanboyscouts conspired to kill him...

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  62. Nina got $8,000 a month in alimony by ElMiguel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to this article, Hans Reiser had to pay $8,000 in alimony a month to Nina. Nina was getting $96,000 a year for not working!

    I don't condone any killing, legal or not, but if she had indeed cheated on him before their divorce and then got that kind of money, it's easy to see how the feeling of having been so completely beaten by someone he loved could have made him desperate.

    Something seems broken with California's alimony law.

    1. Re:Nina got $8,000 a month in alimony by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, not to question the integrity or competence of the journalist who wrote the story, but I question the integrity and competence of the journalist who wrote the story.

      This one mentions that he was sued for not paying child support. I'm guessing a significant portion of that $8k was child support, not actual alimony. I feel strongly that if you willfully create a life, you should be held responsible for it/them, and it shouldn't take a court order to make it happen.

      Although I do think alimony is complete BS. But that's what prenups are for.

    2. Re:Nina got $8,000 a month in alimony by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      According to this article [nbc11.com], Hans Reiser had to pay $8,000 in alimony a month to Nina. Nina was getting $96,000 a year for not working!

      I don't condone any killing, legal or not, but if she had indeed cheated on him before their divorce and then got that kind of money, it's easy to see how the feeling of having been so completely beaten by someone he loved could have made him desperate.

      Something seems broken with California's alimony law.


            This is questionable to me. From the www.nbc11.com article Hans Reiser's Software Could Be Phased Out:

      According to sources close to the investigation, Reiser had to pay $8,000 in alimony a month to Nina Reiser.

      Sources also told NBC11 that Hans Reiser was seen walking around town with several thousand dollars in cash and his passport.

      end quote

      The divorce wasn't final. Do you pay alimony while you're separated? Other articles report that he was to share child expenses with his estranged wife, and that she filed with the court that he hadn't paid it. The exact amount was not reported, but it wasn't alimony.

      The $8,000 per month, if it actually is based on anything true, could be all the monthly bills that the family had, including the mortgage of their home that he no longer lived in, but even with that $8,000 is extreme.

      Also, how does one see someone walking around town with several thousand dollars and a passport? Were they sticking out of his pocket protector?

      rd

    3. Re:Nina got $8,000 a month in alimony by ajs318 · · Score: 1
      I feel strongly that if you willfully create a life, you should be held responsible for it/them, and it shouldn't take a court order to make it happen.
      I have a solution: retrospective abortion. If one party offers to pay for the kids to be put to sleep (even assuming it wasn't available on the NHS), and the other refuses, then they are allowed to live -- but become the sole responsibility of the one who said let them live.
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  63. Actually, Nina Reiser was pretty cute [PHOTOS] by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

    She may not have been a blonde, but I'd say Nina Reiser was an attractive lady.

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    1. Re:Actually, Nina Reiser was pretty cute [PHOTOS] by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      I'll never know. If they wanted to widely distribute her photo, they shouldn't have wrapped it in Flash on a flash-only site. I even clicked the 'photos' link in hopes that they had done *that* one right, in spite of the all-flash image on the start page. Nope. Oh well.

    2. Re:Actually, Nina Reiser was pretty cute [PHOTOS] by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Does said plug-in have a build script, or do I have to read the makefile to find out how to build it?

    3. Re:Actually, Nina Reiser was pretty cute [PHOTOS] by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Lack of source code, thereby breaching freedoms One and Three, I'll guess.

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  64. Re:his wife by Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or maybe he caught her running ext3.

  65. little war ~200 years ago by sadler121 · · Score: 1

    Why do you think we have a double jeopardy clause in our (USA) Constitution?

    1. Re:little war ~200 years ago by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      We used to have one in the Magna Carta, the document that inspired your US Constitution. Or as GWB calls it, "Toilet paper".

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  66. Mod this up by G00F · · Score: 1

    Someone please mod the above up.

    Because quite often cops act as thugs to conjure up the information they need/want.

    Technicality suck, but somethings it is the only thing an inocent man has to protrect himself.

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  67. Don't trust the Navigation System! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    No, ultimately, his biggest mistake was to try to get across the Coast Range on Forest Service roads in November. This is stupid whether you have GPS or not.

    If I had to lay odds now, I'd bet a GPS got him into this predicament.

    In my town there are lots of horse trails that used to be roads 50, 100 years ago. They're still on most of the online maps and apparently the GPS systems will tell you to drive down them. Our Police Department has been getting several calls a month since GPS systems got popular from people stuck in the sand. They apparently listen to the GPS saying "turn right" and don't even bother to see the "4X4 Vehicles Only" signs.

    Google Maps, for instance places my house half a mile past where the road is passable if you don't have a UniMog. Sure, if would be nice if that road went though, but it doesn't. Before long there will probably be liability suits and somebody will make a good living driving all around creation verifying classes of roads in rural areas.

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  68. Maybe in the desert. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    My GPS has a 'compass mode' as well, but it will only work if you're moving. In heavy treecover, where you can only find occasional places to get a satellite lock, that doesn't do you a lot of good. This leads to the 'walking in boxes' that I described, where within the area that you can get a good signal, you're left walking around and trying to have the machine give you a heading.

    The time I got lost in the woods was back in the later 90s, and I had what passed at the time as a state-of-the-art GPS, a Magellan GPS300. (Basically gave you position and heading, no mapping.) While newer models might be somewhat better at retaining signal lock through trees, I still wouldn't want to trust it. A GPS is fundamentally not a compass; its job is to tell you where you are, and possibly where you've come from, not what direction you're facing. It's that last element that's rather critically important.

    It seems the GPS manufacturers have caught on to this limitation and now many of the nicer Garmin units have an internal magnetic compass, but honestly I'd rather have a separate magnetic compass and a plain GPS than a combined unit. If your batteries die and you were counting on the machine for both, you're SOL. At least if they're separate, you still have your compass.

    Given the option, I'd obviously prefer to have both a map and compass, and a GPS unit. Particularly since a good compass can improve the utility of a GPS even in non-emergency situations; most of the major manufacturers have models out now that are designed to work in conjunction with GPSes, and have scales on them for pinpointing your position on a USGS map, etc.

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    1. Re:Maybe in the desert. by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 1
      I've got an eTrex Vista, which has a built in fluxgate compass and altimeter. The compass part isn't actually that useful, because it sucks batteries like crazy. The only reasonable way to use it is intermittently, namely:
      1. Set "camp" as your waypoint destination.
      2. Turn on the compass and rotate until the GPS says you are pointing towards camp
      3. Turn off the compass (and perhaps GPS too) and just start walking.
      So, yeah, I carry a normal compass too. A GPS is just too fragile to depend on.
  69. catagory pick by mathfeel · · Score: 1

    I don't know if the guys did it or not. I care about it only because I have one computer in reiserfs3. Anyway I look at this, this is a violent criminal charge. Can anyone tell me how the heck does this concern "my right online" now?

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    1. Re:catagory pick by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The 'yro' category has no meaning. But beware of the fact that discussing this will lead to moderator smack-down.

  70. Re:Interesting thoughts... by operagost · · Score: 1

    It's still not double jeopardy. Obviously, if we were to simply acquit everyone facing a jury deadlock, it would be pretty inexpensive to bribe your way out of jail.

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  71. Re:Interesting thoughts... by operagost · · Score: 1

    No. You have an appeal process. You only get a new trial in the case of a mistrial and no double jeopardy in the case of an acquittal.

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  72. Drugs drugs drugs drugs yummy drugs... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

    I accept the idea of a "war on drugs" primarily on the premise that plentiful supply of potent recreational drugs is detrimental to our society as a whole.
     

     
    You mean like alcohol? I agree, people should smoke (or eat, or vapourise) more pot.
     
      I actually considered whether to concede this point in my initial post - the fact that there are some state-sanctioned (and taxed) drugs - the question of whether they might actually be as dangerous or more dangerous than some of the drugs that are currently outlawed. But I figure the line has to be drawn somewhere. The question of whether it's in the right place is perhaps best argued by others - but to my mind it's not an important question. Alcohol and tobacco are state-sanctioned for reasons of tradition and money, and a few other drugs (like caffeine) exist that are neither taxed or forbidden. And then various drugs are forbidden for fear that a plentiful, easy supply of them would create too many addicts in our society and a dangerous trade deficit. And then, among those, may be a few that are harmless, or mostly harmless. Maybe the advocates of these are right and they should be legalized - but it's not a terribly important change. People who involve themselves with these drugs aren't just criminals because there's a law against what they're doing, they're criminals because they've chosen to break that law, and in the case of dealers, growers, importers, and such they've profited from the fact that legitimate business can't compete with them. They've profited from the fact that what they're doing is illegal (which limits supply, increasing prices). You live by the sword, you die by the sword, that's how it works, so I don't have sympathy for dealers, importers, etc. who have suddenly found the illegality of what they do inconvenient.

    Now, supposing pot were legalized - would American society decay into ruin? Would the US experience a huge trade deficit and decline in power, and be destroyed by the enemies it made while powerful? I really don't think so - there'd just be another legal drug out there, and greater public nuisance from people smoking it all over the place - but what would be the positive benefit of this change? From a strictly practical standpoint I don't think there is one. I'm not satisfied that it's worthwhile to make that decision - even weighing minimal negative impact vs. minimal or no positive practical impact and a gain in personal liberty. Is it a good thing for us, as a country? Regardless of whether we have a million other bad things going on, is endorsing one more vice a good thing? I'm skeptical of that. Once we embrace it, if we later find it's a bad thing for us we may never be rid of it. It's pretty much a one-way deal - once it's legal it'll be big business, and the industries producing marijuana products will have power to protect their interests.

    I would appreciate it if you (whoever the hell you are) didn't try to twist my words - if you'd like to argue that pot is less dangerous than booze, say so yourself. Don't tell me that I said it, because I didn't. But if you want to say it, you may find my mind to be more open to that possibility than you assume it is. Unless you're going for "funny" mod points (I love playing that game myself) this is also a much more productive way to proceed.
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    1. Re:Drugs drugs drugs drugs yummy drugs... by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      And then various drugs are forbidden for fear that a plentiful, easy supply of them would create too many addicts in our society and a dangerous trade deficit.

            Too many addicts, yes, trade deficit, no. Illegal drugs only cost pennies to make. All the cost is from making them illegal.

        rd

    2. Re:Drugs drugs drugs drugs yummy drugs... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      But I figure the line has to be drawn somewhere.

      The line gets drawn outside my body. What I choose to do inside it no concern of yours; that includes putting certain chemicals in it to alter the functioning of the nervous system.

      Drug laws make a mockery of liberty. Keep your laws off my brain.

      Maybe the advocates of these are right and they should be legalized - but it's not a terribly important change.

      I find liberty, and an adherence to the Constitution by the government, to be terribly important. I'm saddened that you do not. ("Adherence to the Constitution," you ask? Yes. The federal government has no legitimate power to ban possession or intrastate sale of any drug, only to regulate imports and exports and interstate trading. It has far overreached its legitimate powers. Additionally, by their nature laws against consenual activity lead to violations of rights of privacy and due process.)

      And then various drugs are forbidden for fear that a plentiful, easy supply of them would create too many addicts in our society and a dangerous trade deficit.

      Prohibition leads to unhealthy usage patterns and makes it difficult for addicts to get help; it leads to more addiction and abuse, not less.

      The "trade deficit" arguement is a new line of B.S.; since when does the state get to regulate people's lives in order to make them more efficient economic units? If that's the case, better ban TV.

      People who involve themselves with these drugs aren't just criminals because there's a law against what they're doing, they're criminals because they've chosen to break that law

      In ancient Rome, people who worshiped the wrong diety weren't criminals just because there was a law against what they were doing, they were criminals because they chose to break that law.

      In contempory America, in many states people who have any sort of interesting sex life are criminals, not just because there's a law against what they're doing, but because they choose to break that law.

      In the U.S. about 150 years ago, people who helped escaping slaves weren't criminals just because there was a law against what they were doing, they were criminals because they chose to break that law.

      There is nothing sacred about law. The legislature has no moral authority; when it steps outside of its rightful role as arbitrator of disputes and protector of people's basic rights, it is foolish to continue to follow its dictates; "criminal" becomes a content-free word. Indeed in our overly-regulated contempory society, few people get through a week without commiting a criminal act.

      Now, supposing pot were legalized - would American society decay into ruin?

      American society survived quite well prior to passage of the Uniform Narcotic Drug Act in 1932.

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    3. Re:Drugs drugs drugs drugs yummy drugs... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      And then various drugs are forbidden for fear that a plentiful, easy supply of them would create too many addicts in our society and a dangerous trade deficit.

      Prohibition leads to unhealthy usage patterns and makes it difficult for addicts to get help; it leads to more addiction and abuse, not less.

      The "trade deficit" arguement is a new line of B.S.; since when does the state get to regulate people's lives in order to make them more efficient economic units? If that's the case, better ban TV.

      I can think of worse ideas than banning TV. But I do believe the government has a certain responsibility to help ensure that the country as a whole is prosperous. I'm quite happy that the US is prosperous as that's the whole reason I can enjoy such a comfortable lifestyle.

      It's not BS, it's something that has actually happened in the past to countries that imported a lot of narcotics.
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    4. Re:Drugs drugs drugs drugs yummy drugs... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      But I do believe the government has a certain responsibility to help ensure that the country as a whole is prosperous.

      The drug trade is big business. Bringing the black market within the "legitimate" economy would foster prosperity.

      It's not BS, it's something that has actually happened in the past to countries that imported a lot of narcotics.

      So buy domestic. Opium poppies and cannabis could certainly be grown in the U.S.; coca I'm not sure about but I'll bet American inginuety could develop a strain that would grow in the warmer climes of the southern U.S.

      No question that drug prohibtion increases our trade deficit.

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  73. You're confusing two roads: by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Actually, the gate that closed the road had been vandalized (lock/chain cut) and the road was therefore marked "open" when it had actually been closed. I dare say that most of us would have been caught in the same trap. :-(

    You're confusing two closed roads.

    Apparently he went past two signs at the start of the first closed road, then removed the rock barriers indicating the road was closed, and drove on.

    It was when he finally decided that this wasn't going to work and attempted to retrace his path that he took a wrong turn at the vandalized gate and ended up on a second closed road forking off the first rather than back the main road. It was on this second road where he got stuck.

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  74. The War On Some Drugs by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

    Curiously, the existence of these laws hasn't made me a criminal.
     
    Oh, really?
     
    Never had oral or anal sex? The standard joke here is that you're asking this question on Slashdot, where clearly nobody has ever had any sex at all. :)

    But these aren't the laws we were talking about, and the sodomy laws have already been struck down (sanity prevails!) - and I don't think it's a good analogy anyway. The practical implications of drugs are greater than those for consentual sex.


     
      I accept the idea of a "war on drugs" primarily on the premise that plentiful supply of potent recreational drugs is detrimental to our society as a whole
     
    I don't. That's not the reason for it anyway. It's a moral crusade, organized by the relgion (specifically methodist temperance), women's groups who want to dictate how people live, and opportunistic slimeballs like Hurst and every president since Nixon.
     
    You accept denying marijuana to terminally ill people in states where it is legal? I don't buy your claim that it's a "moral crusade" - more likely that angle is being used to persuade people to support the agenda (which is still wrong, IMO) but I don't at all buy your theory that this is the real reason why some drugs are illegal.

    And I never said anything about terminally ill people, did I? What you're doing here is trying to change the issue - recreational drugs vs. prescription drugs - and trying to suggest that anyone who believes that the War On Some Drugs may not be a bad thing is happy to see an old lady in pain rather than see her using marijuana.

    Now, since you've asked the question: do I accept denying marijuana to someone who was granted the right to use it for medical purposes by her state government? No. It was a prescription, the rules for recreational drugs don't apply. Cultivation (as allowed under the California law) is a little more problematic - you've got federal law saying posession and cultivation is illegal and that it is to be forcibly repressed, and you've got California law saying posession and cultivation is legal for medicinal purposes - but privately grown marijuana can't be tracked or regulated. I think the proper compromise would be for medicinal usage to be legal, but with the limitation that it must be acquired through a pharmacy, as is the case with other prescription drugs. It sucks to have to pay more for no good reason, but when you're balancing conflicting interests, it's unreasonable to not make some kind of compromise.

    But what's "right" and how does that correlate to what's "legal"? Is the government's destruction of the plants "right" just because it's "legal"? Is the woman's use of marijuana "right" just by virtue of the fact that it's "legal"? Or "wrong" because the federal government contends that it should be illegal? To me the question of whether it's "right" to allow or prohibit marijuana as a recreational drug is entirely subjective. Whether it's a good idea from a practical standpoint is debatable. Whether it's legal is fairly unambiguous.

    Likewise, for marijuana as a prescription drug - whether it's "legal" is essentially still in contention due to the conflict surrounding it. Is it "right"? I think so. But considering the level of contention around the drug, the way it's being handled is way out of line with how other prescription drugs are managed. Telling people to go ahead and grow their own is downright irresponsible when there's a conflicting federal law saying that that's illegal. That's not necessarily a bad thing, if it gives people on either side the chance to make their contention in a way that actually has the potential to change the status quo - but for the people growing and using medical marijuana, to get caught up in the middle of that conflict is rather unfortunate. ...Which brings us back to the question of whether it's right that recreational marijuana is illegal (and so rigorously pursued) in the first place. If you feel like discussing that issue at any point, please let me know. :)
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    1. Re:The War On Some Drugs by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      I think you need a reality check, we are talking about a simple herb here, a plant.

      It's prima facie ridiculous to even talk about whether a plant should be legal or illegal.

      You didn't respond to my most important point, that the drug war has basically obliterated any semblance we had of a limited federal government.

      I don't buy your claim that it's a "moral crusade" - more likely that angle is being used to persuade people to support the agenda (which is still wrong, IMO) but I don't at all buy your theory that this is the real reason why some drugs are illegal.

      I don't think it takes much persuasion. There are a large number of young women that believe in prohibition. A recent survey showed that 57% 18-29 year olds think we should start a tobacco prohibition too. Women were twice as likely to support it than men. These people are completely out of touch with reality in their moral crusading. This strongly reflects the alcohol prohibition movement, which was also driven by ignorant young women. An observant person will note that alcohol prohibition started not long after women's suffrage was granted. After women realized how huge a mistake such an idealistic policy was, women's groups actually worked to repeal prohibition.

      Now on to why men, who have always run this country, might actually let women pass such a stupid measure. There's a lot of money in the drug war. A huge pool of slave labor is available in the prison population. Prison construction, maintenence, and staffing is a huge business too. It's not persuasion as much as quid pro quo. Enhance the opportunities for the government to spend tons of money (and pay back those campaign donations, give your brother in law a fat contract, etc), while giving women voters something they think they want.

      This message may sound misogynist, but think of it more as a sociological observation. The role of women in prohibition is well documented, I'm not the first one to observe it.

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  75. baaah by smoker2 · · Score: 1
    You know,what ?

    This place is so full of wankers these days, it's not even worth responding.

    I pity Hans if he has you lot as a jury. (guilty or otherwise).
  76. Slashdot covers this like TV covered OJ by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Thank you media for not blowing this up to Scott Peterson level. This just goes to show you that stuff like this happens all the time that never gets seen in national media.

    This is being blown up in the media, the nerd media. Slashdot is convering this just like the TV media covered OJ. Exact same reason, a "famous" suspect with respect to the demographics of the audience.

  77. reiserfscked by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Hans Reiser has pled not guilty to murdering his wife and invoked his right to a speedy trial.

    Ironically, his alleged alibi is that he was busy murdering Linux at the time.

  78. Re:his wife by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    He didn't directly kill her... He was trying to explain why reiserfs was better than ext4 and her head exploded.
     
    Oh, baaad.
    And I thought the way to make heads explode is to play yodeling Country music.

  79. Re:his wife by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

    They were already almost divorced, that doesn't seem very likely at all.

          You are joking, aren't you? I've got a site full of missing women who were almost divorced.

    http://www.justiceforchandra.com/

  80. Re:his wife by GigsVT · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what you mean. I meant to say, it's not likely she just up and left.

    You might think about a ... more readable background for that site? I can barely read it.

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  81. Re:his wife by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what you mean. I meant to say, it's not likely she just up and left.

          That I certainly agree with. Thanks for the feedback, I'll lighten the background color.

      rd

  82. ObBadJoke by nacturation · · Score: 1

    And remember, "Hans shot first!"

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  83. You run for politics by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Your conclusions and even your data are ALL wrong. First the media has paid that much attention to this one. In addition, I have seen attention paid to Bill Cosby's son death, and family members of sports players and deaths of politicians relatives. And these were minorities. I have also seen pregnant minority women being brought up when they were missing (and not just dead). As it is, I have heard NOTHING out here about nina except via /. The simple answer is that race does not hold the media's interest, but money and family. To even bring up the race card DOES make you a racist b#$%^&d and you need some serious psychiatric help.

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  84. You don't like broad generalizations,... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    ..., do you?

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  85. Re:Interesting thoughts... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    Not quite. If a full jury (every single member) finds you not guilty, you are done. If any single member can not make up their mind, it is a mistrial, and the state gets to try again. And again. And again.
    In the UK the courts generally prefer to go for a majority verdict rather than a retrial.
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  86. You talk like you think Reiser did it by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Recall the case of Chandra Levy, once an intern working for former Congressman Condit. When she vanished, many people had no problem believing she had been murdered, and thinking up motives Condit might have for doing it, with the most popular being so that she couldn't talk about the affair he had with her. Circumstantial evidence started pouring out, and things were looking very bad for Condit for a while. Condit lost the next election, but was never arrested or charged, and a year later they found Levy's remains, which enabled them to come up with scenarios that happened not to involve Condit at all. Last I recall, the most likely perpetrator is thought to be a particular thug who was in the area at the time.

    Maybe Reiser has stronger motives. Maybe the reason no body has been found is that Reiser is too smart to slip up that way. Talk about having a geek reputation come back to haunt someone! If he's so smart, wouldn't he have thought of other ways out of his difficulties? Smart enough to get away with murder (maybe) but not smart enough to think of other actions that would serve his purposes, or realize how just the suspicion of murder would trouble him for years even if it was never pinned on him? Doesn't add up. Maybe Nina went for a jog and some random criminal did it. We don't know. The state arresting Reiser without better evidence is looking like a mistake. Either they're needlessly harassing an innocent, or they're blowing their chance to put the murderer away.

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    1. Re:You talk like you think Reiser did it by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      Condit lost the next election, but was never arrested or charged, and a year later they found Levy's remains, which enabled them to come up with scenarios that happened not to involve Condit at all.

            Why? He frequented the park, he lived next to it, and he has no alibi for the afternoon she disappeared. By the way, she was his secret mistress, not his intern.

        I wrote a book on it and posted it on my website, www.justiceforchandra.com

            Very few will see this post now, but it's a decent read for people interested in mysteries, especially tech folks.

        rd

    2. Re:You talk like you think Reiser did it by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      The state arresting Reiser without better evidence is looking like a mistake. Either they're needlessly harassing an innocent, or they're blowing their chance to put the murderer away.

            They have pretty rock solid blood evidence. You'd have to have not seen the details on it in the press to suggest that.

        rd

  87. No Body!? by 58797A7A79 · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    Nina Reiser's body has not been found, but police believe she is dead.
    Pressing murder charges when there's no body for evidence? How retarded are they?

    1. No body found; no reasonable and rational way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that alleged victim is dead, let alone has been murdered.

    2. No proof of person being dead = no proof beyond a reasonable doubt that defendant murdered alleged victim.

    3. Defendant found not guilty (or court systems proven to be corrupt), and is from then on protected against double jeopardy in the event that a body does turn up.
  88. So it's about reason is it? by nietsch · · Score: 1

    But whose reason will you accept to acquit them of murder? Yours "he tore my heart open and destroyed my happiness" or the deranged "he was using microwave transmitters into my brain to take over my mind"? In other words, what sounds reasonable to you might not sound reasonable to other people. And we were talking about feelings to justify murder, feelings are always private.

    But can you give me one good reason why somebody convicted *beyond any doubt* (not just "reasonable doubt") of multiple murders should ever be allowed to live afterwards? And why I would not be justified in calling for their execution?
    1) because your prospective victim is human.
    I don't think I am alone in this, some religion even made it one of it's commandments.

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    1. Re:So it's about reason is it? by Atzanteol · · Score: 1
      But whose reason will you accept to acquit them of murder? Yours "he tore my heart open and destroyed my happiness" or the deranged "he was using microwave transmitters into my brain to take over my mind"? In other words, what sounds reasonable to you might not sound reasonable to other people. And we were talking about feelings to justify murder, feelings are always private.

      Some things are obvious, others must be carefully decided upon. "He killed my family and made me watch" is a far cry from "I didn't like his slacks." Any reasonable human being can see that (even if you don't believe in capital punishment).

      I wasn't talking about "feelings" but rather intent. Intent is a large part of sentencing. 1st degree murder (premeditated, cruel and unusual), 2nd degree (rage, unplanned), manslaughter (accidental), etc. Murder in the legal sense means "Unlawful killing," though you may define it differently I suppose. I always viewed murder as "killing for no good reason" which I believe is similar to the legal definition (enemies in war, self-defense, state sponsored executions, etc.).

      I would say that in the case of one or more first degree murder convictions where the jury not only finds the defendant guilty beyond a "shadow of a doubt" but beyond "any doubt" (such cases do exist) then capital punishment is completely fair and appropriate.

      1) because your prospective victim is human. I don't think I am alone in this, some religion even made it one of it's commandments.

      I simply don't accept that "personhood" is a strong enough justification for somebody guilty of such a terrible crime.

      And some religions made human sacrifice part of their ceremony. Just because a large popular cult believes in something doesn't make it true or good.

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      - Charles Darwin
  89. Re:Interesting thoughts... by nobaloney · · Score: 1

    Not really. There are enough holes in the law to shake a stick at. New evidence can (and often is) used for a new charge, you can be charged in a new Jurisdiction (O.J. Simpson, for example, Federal vs State), and worst of all, in the case of a hung jury the state can move for a new trial even if all jurors except one voted for acquittal.