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YouTube Blocked in Brazil
keeboo writes "The popular video sharing site YouTube is now blocked in Brazil due to a local court decision last Thursday. The site was ordered to block the uploaded sex videos of Brazilian media starlet Daniela Cicarelli and, although it complied, many users kept re-uploading it to the site. After the failure of YouTube to keep the video off of the site, the domain was blocked nationwide at a DNS level. Predictably, many Brazilians are annoyed and I've started to receive even SPAMs protesting on this blocking. From the article: 'The case now goes automatically to a three-member panel of judges who will decide whether to make the order permanent and whether to fine YouTube as much as US$119,000 (euro91,000) for each day the video was viewable, said Rubens Decousseau Tilkian.'"
Of course they are all angry it's blocked! They want to see the damn video!
If it was really on blocked at the DNS level, wouldn't running your own DNS server work? If youtube IP blocks were blocked, then obviously something more complicated would be needed. What about a proxy?
Working link? :p
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If I were Google/YouTube I would respond: "F*** Brazil. The rest of the world will advance without you."
No, the way that I see it is that they have attempted to remove the vidio, but failed due to some users reposting the vidio posibly under a differnt title. I don't know that there is any easy way to stop this type of problem.
Try not make love in front of masses of people on a public beach.
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I'm not sure about this post.Im accessing youtube right now.
I find it damn funny that a foreign country seems to think that it has power over a US company. Seems to be happening alot lately too. Welcome all to topsy-turvey world! p.s. The video has be preserved for posterity and their refusal to accept this only makes people like me want to rub their noses in it.
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The linked article mentions nothing about Youtube being blocked in Brazil. It only states that Youtube has removed the video numerous times.
It is a problem with people accessing through Brasil Telecom's network (one of the brazilian telcos). Since their DNS aren't recursive I couldn't check if this a DNS problem or a network problem.
Who is she? I guess I'll have to do a search...
Intresting i wonder how they managed to block all local DNS cache's on the internet in brazil and more importantly how they are actually going to enforce this block.
Won't the Brazilians be able to route around their malfunctioning DNS servers?
What?
People are so weird. While I am aware of the social and economic problems that sexual promiscuity can cause (disease, unwanted pregnancy, etc.), the fact remains that most of the living creatures on the planet have sex, including most humans. We are built for it and driven to it. It's just a simple fact of life. I really honestly don't understand why we think it is so horrible to capture it on film. If you don't like watching, then don't watch.
If the video was filmed without her (and his) consent, then I will say too bad. If you are in public, people can see you. If you don't want to be filmed, get a room.
In international news, The Brazilian goverment has just recieved 10 shares of Google.
I find it damn funny that a foreign country seems to think that it has power over a US company.
I'm not sure of which part of the news you're referring to.
If you mean the fines, that's really weird indeed. Unless YouTube has a branch in Brazil (though I've never heard about such thing).
Regarding the dns.br blocking, that's perfectly within Brazilian juristiction.
I can get to youtube.com no problem, but fortunately I have javascript and extensions disabled so I don't have to watch any of the videos.
Maybe Brazil accidentally blocked utube.com instead. Poor poor utube.com.
And the project "Intranet Brazil" starts.
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what? I've never read his work but I hadn't heard this and I can't dig up an actual new item on this...are ACs on /. really that far ahead of the curve? can anyone confirm this?
What do they export?
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What?
Heh, replied to the AC one just a few minutes before you did. This has been posted on slashdot and many other places hundreds of times in the past 6 or 7 years... When the man actually passes away, I'm sure it will make headlines. But for now, it hasn't and it won't because he hasn't passed away.
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I don't think I've seen DNS mentioned on TFA. Did a quick search and got nothing.
The article says that Youtube took down the video...
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If you look at all the crap that the french and other countries have done, is not so much to really block them, but to fine them. They are all looking to hit the deep pockets of Google.
All in all, I seriously doubt that even one judge thinks that Google has done wrong on any of these cases.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
If she's merely a starlet, isn't it probable that this is all just a publicity stunt to help thrust herself into full-blown stardom?
... and then they built the supercollider.
I can't stop reiterating how the brazillian government and laws work in such a way they're always focused
:(
on proving that law works (specially if it involves a personality or something that could have a world impact, like a sex video of
a famous brazillian star (that everyone has already viewed anyway)) while the semi-analphabet President keeps getting re-elected,
while the parliament keeps voting (under winning majority, of course) their own promotions and their own extended vacations, while people are struggling to get jobs or grounded at their homes while criminals lurk freely in the city at anytime....
"Brasil", *please* change for the good of your people, everytime you guys go investigate the flamed nail of a governor's wife a person dies or gets murdered
thank you for showing again that our country (even with loads of raw materials, opportunity from external companies, massive workforce) is still not ready for raising the bar. thank you
Is an apt metaphor for this. My goodness, a well-known (sort of) "celebrity" gets videotaped having sex and somehow the video makes itself public! Shocked, shocked I am, that this would happen! You'd think that with so many of these incidents in the past that they might become just a bit cautious. Really, how hard is it to follow the simple ideas of:
a) Don't videotape yourself having sex.
b) If you do, invest in a safe. A very good one.
c) Don't have sex in public. No, really, people have cellphones now to shoot footage of interesting things like that, besides the ever-popular video cameras.
d) If you break up with someone, and you've taped yourselves having sex, get the tapes before walking out!
Because once it's out, it's out. Court orders, forcing various sites to remove it just don't work. All it does is add to the publicity. I'd be willing to bet that within a week (if that) you'll see the video all over the binary groups, P2P networks, bittorrent, and various pr0n sites. Blocking one site is simply an attempt to bail out the Titanic with a bucket - nice try, but it won't work.
Freedom of Speech Bitches
Suck it Brazil
http://www.livejournal.com/users/cixel
"The site was ordered to block the uploaded sex videos of Brazilian media starlet Daniela Cicarelli and, although it complied, many users kept re-uploading it to the site. After the failure of YouTube to keep the video off of the site, the domain was blocked nationwide at a DNS level. Predictably, many Brazilians are annoyed and I've started to receive even SPAMs protesting on this blocking."
In other words "many users" uploaded a video (wonder if they asked permission first?) to a publically traded companie's site. Said company voluntarily tried to take it down, and the "many 'annoyed' users" said we don't care about you or her, we want sex. Brazil (remember NOT the US) enforced the right to control their borders. Said publically traded company is no longer in the picture because they did what they could, but have no control over Brazil or their "many users."
Seems like this should be on the Brazillian slashdot.
They can blacklist her name and all the various permutations that crop up, employ measures similar to the copyright enforcement they're still working on by attempting to automatically recognize the particular video, and on and on. People will still find ways to put it right back. It's going to be an endless cat and mouse game. Can anyone else think of a way to realistically keep the video off YouTube without moderating the whole shooting match?
The real problem is that their are thousands, if not millions of people whose attention is fixated on this video and they'll keep trying to distribute it. The only way this is going to go away is when people lose interest . . . which isn't going to happen any time soon now that there's constant media coverage because she was foolish enough to file suit. Daniela's best bet is to get over herself and take advantage of the fact she's now a world-wide household name. Paris Hilton wasn't nearly as famous until her sex tapes and look at how much she's been raking in ever since. Welcome to celebrity, Daniela--your privacy is now forfeit.
I don't see what the issue with the video is, I was waiting for a shark to eat them to spice it up a bit.
Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
Here in Brasil we've got the crappiest Tv on the face of earth. For example there is a Mexican show called "Chaves" that is on air for more then a decade. And one of the latest most watched TV shows is Woody Woodpecker. This video is on the net for months and nothing was done. Maybe it is the tv channels trying to ban all the alternatives. And by the way, I can still watch YouTube.
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Information spreads. Mirrors are available.
Www.proxy.org has a nice list.
You'll need to find one that doesn't block javascript.
First person to find one that works pleas post here.
From the article: wildly popular video showing Cicarelli and Brazilian banker Renato Malzoni making out along a beach near the Spanish city of Cadiz.
Uh, if you look at the video (thanks to fellow slashdotters), they do a lot more than "make out".
Talk about PC bullshit...the video clearly shows them having sex in the water. Or is the AP full of very, very naive reporters? Or do Brazilians have a very loose definition of the term "make out"? :-)
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"Welcome to celebrity, Daniela--your privacy is now forfeit."
Maybe the more important issue here isn't Brazillian censorship, but should celebrities (that includes royalty) expect privacy to begin with?
According to the Brazilian media, the local courts have only asked Youtube to remove the video. There is no DNS blacklist or anything like that.
Read yourself (in Portuguese) at Folha de Sao Paulo or, use Google Translator to translate it.
"The version of that all the YouTube would have of being removed of air arrived to be propagated by some Brazilian sites and international agencies in the thursday, but it was contradicted by the Court of Justice. Justice only determined that the YouTube hinders the propagation it video with Daniela Cicarelli."
Pull the video from your cache
Burn it to DVD and copy x times
Pass out free copies of the video on the street and offer them for free in every public place you possibly can.
If you don't have access to dvds or don't want to pay for them, them simply print up fliers with a URL where the video can be downloaded and they can burn it and pass it out themselves.
The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
Is that they so easily did this. There had to have been someone, somewhere, or something with a plan already in place to block specific Internet traffic from Brazil. It's not China fer Chrissakes!
And more importantly, do they have blacks there?
*Anybody* with a zone can add host records for YouTube. But you knew that.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
*sigh*
I'm not going to beat up on you, but this is suppose to be a forum of geeks. I expect better. It's obvious that a country can block things at the border routers (which is a finite number). Especially if they're government controlled to begin with. All this cache this and cache that ignores that fact.* Can it be gotten around? Sure, and the easiest way is to find an alternative site that's hosting the video. Problem is, is it really worth all this trouble? Unfortunately that's not a technical issue, and can't be easily answered.
*The only caching that'll make a difference is someone hosting the file within Brazil, but that has it's own risks.
youtube.com is working for all my friends back in brazil...
the fame of an event/ movie/ book/ video clip/ etc. is magnified by orders of magnitude if a powerful person/ government/ organization/ religious figurehead tries to censor it
i swear, it must be a golden rule of the universe, it never fails
all the brazilian government did was ensure even people who haven't the foggiest what the video is all about will now look at it
such as random slashdot readers like me
i'm reminded of rudy giuliani and an obscure artist/ artwork that... isn't so obscure anymore precisely because of rudy giuliani
sheesh, it's ridiculous
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I heard YouTube is replacing the Cicarelli movie with renditions of Aquarela do Brasil.
Why not just use Google Translate to "translate" Youtube?
Quite simple, really. Not sure if Youtube's videos will work (which would make it a useless workaround), but translating from (for example) Chinese Simplified to English will usually ensure you get non-altered text (it being a different character set the engine's looking for and all. You could also technically use one of the following IP's if it's just blocked at the domain level (Youtube's linking seems to be all relative):
208.65.153.242
208.65.153.245
208.65.153.251
208.65.153.253
208.65.153.241
And then there's the obligatory mention of Tor.
Yes, I also realize that my first method is cruelly aligned to anglophones.
Screw the rules, I have green hair!
Where in TFA does it state Brazil blocked Brazil? Or did I miss that line?
qz
im guessing because Brazil already has a bad reputation for pornography. A media starlet whos supposed to be representative of it only encourages brazilian women to continue their slutty ways which also gives off a bad perception to the outside world.
Cute...
But what if YouTube gets fined and doesn't pay?
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YouTube Its not blocked (just checked again) and this whole thread is a waste of time.
Cicarelli lawyers said bullshit as it would block google in Brazil, of course court order dimissed it and just asked google to comply.
Pfft Youtube ...pornotube is where it's at!
Youtube is not the only one ya know.
get the entire eye-full here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-782128748 4659607984&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en
That is one lucky guy!
If I told about this to my mom, she would say "great, the web is all porn!". To the casual observer, it may seem a good move. But in the end it is an attack on the very fabric of the revolutioneary aspect of the web: full user contribution and sharing.
There are more than enough people with power out there that will exploit it if it becomes commonplace to shut down wensites due to whaterver upsets someone. The real battle of this generation may be between the people that benefit from a lack of transparency, and those who don't (us!).
Moral, children and secrets... my precious. Transparency, freedom... bah.
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(Encrypted traffic; Not sure if it encrypts DNS requests or routes it to JAP servers.)
http://proxy.org/ [Web-based proxies]
You might as well shoot for Tor [http://tor.eff.org], but JAP handles that for you.
Need more motivation?
JAP was made to crack the chinese FireWall; And it works.
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What's Google being sued for?
It's kind of a cute video. The couple makes out around their friends, who seem to be completely indifferent to it, like they've seen this before. They take pictures of each other. The girl looks at the camera a few times; she knows she's being recorded and is cool with it. Then they go off and have sex in the surf, and again, there's a glance towards the camera now and then. Good sex scene. No big deal.
I'm surprised there's any objection from Brazil about this. I'd expect whining from the religious right in the US, but from Brazil?
Today, I can record anything - anything at all - and post it on the Internet. If it is salacious or titilating, it will be redistributed. It seems to be the common belief if most posters that it is then impossible to take down or suppress.
Therefore, if I put a camera in a public toliet and make the recordings freely available (instead of charging for them as is done today), you can't sue me, you can't take it down and you can't suppress it. Ask yourself and the nearest female near you if this is a good thing.
Why isn't this happening today? It is - but most of the really raunchy stuff is too good to give away so it is charged for and restricted in ways that make redistribution difficult. It will absolutely begin happening unless we stop it. And believe me, everyone should want to stop it. Unless they never use the bathroom, have sex or do anything embarrassing.
I used to get high on life, but I developed a tolerance. Now I need something stronger.
I don't know why Brazil resists it, it's already been said...
The Internet Is For Porn (WoW version)
As mentioned, ferchrissakes, its just a model having sex on the beach, who would want to see that anyway?
Secondly, if the gov't of Brasil wants it taken down... uh, okay, remove it from all Brasilian based servers. If they still aren't happy, redirect all page view requests to a Brasilian gov't website.
Anyone out there with bandwidth? Host a copy yourself. The Brasilian gov't can't require all countries, all websites etc. to remove the video... The Internet cannot be regulated by any single government.
BTW, I do believe that the US government's attempts are at once stupid and lame, demonstrating for all the rest of the world to see that it is not possible to regulate the entire Internet without totally screwing up the Internet as it currently exists, and that trying to do so only highlights the ignorance of lawmakers to the nature of the beast they fear most... information.
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All I can say to the idiots involved, who think they can quash something that's on the 'Net, is: HAHA! You fail Internet-101. Trying to strike it down will make it more powerful than you can possibly imagine. You can be a celebrity or you can have privacy - Pick one and STFU.
(In related news, if you wish to avoid being taped having sex, not doing it in public helps)
aww that's alot of money. http://carlocab.blogspot.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-28835788
In 2003, the German BKA obtained a warrant to force the mixoperators to log the activities of a specific criminal. In case of serious crimes committed via JAP, the German mixoperators can be forced to log the activities of a specific user for a limited time. This has led some people to distrust the software. FYI: BKA is the national investigative police agency of Germany.
It's damn funny that the US company in question gets money (via ad revenue) from eyeballs in that market, er, country. If I'm sending product into their country, that product is subject to their laws. That concept even applies to Americans and to corporations based in the USA. Shocking, really. Maybe they need a good liberatin'.
"oops" means it's fixable. "oh shit" does not.
:-)
What an amazingly concise and (almost universally) accurate way to put it
I fail to see why the terrorist rendition flights have any link to copyright infringement cases. If you can provide any evidence of the U.S. using such tactics against copyright infringers, I'd be interested.
The "slippery slope" is a very weak argument. It's only logically applicable in situations where doing action A makes actions B, C, and D more likely. If you can't prove that doing A makes B more likely to occur in some direct way, then it's a fallacy.
Although I'm generally the first to tell you that the average American is probably fat, lazy, and ignorant, they are not as completely devoid of thought as seems sometimes to be assumed in some circles. The average red-state American, on the whole, seems not to have a problem with the government torturing terrorist suspects, or any sort of radical Islamists for that matter. However, despite what you might think of that stance, it doesn't say anything about their opinions of the government torturing somebody for downloading MP3s -- which is probably a subject far more near and dear to said American's heart, because while they'll probably never read a Koran, they probably have downloaded (or their son/daughter/nephew has downloaded) their share of MP3s. The two activities (and more importantly, the would-be perpetrators of each activity) are seen as being quite different in kind, and I can pretty much guarantee that there's little stomach for the CIA hauling off downloaders in the middle of the night.
You might as well say that people who support the death penalty are going to green-light public hangings of jaywalkers. It's a ridiculous exaggeration, and frankly it's intellectually dishonest and prevents rational and meaningful discussion of the actual situation, by replacing fact with hyperbole.
Or were you just trolling for mod points?
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While on vacation in Italy I was constantly amazed by their TV. So. Bad.
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You see, the thing is Brazil has an extremely convoluted legal jungle. It inherited this Portuguese culture of a love for all things legally convoluted and impenetrable. When Portugal colonized Brazil, for quite sometime the ruling elite was made of pretty much a bunch of aristocratic good-for-nothing lawyers/slackers that graduated from Coimbra University, in Portugal. The basic characteristic of such people were a basic lack of common sense as well as a despise for work. Instead of working, they made laws. And more laws. I mean, Portugal is notorious for having discovered America and then having ended up owing a huge amount of money to the Brits, as foreign debt, losing all the gold they had amassed, right? From that point on, they were basically a fishing village (until they joined the E.U.)
In Brazil, there have been over 3,510,804 norms and regulations published in the last 18 years alone. This averages 534 per day or 783 per work day (source,in Portuguese, here) (If you read Spanish, you read Portugese). Any corporation in Brazil is bound to have a gigantic body of lawyers. The whole system is about to collapse, but there's no sign of a legal reform. There are too many laws, and too many stupid decisions. Until recently, it was possible to maneuver in legal waters to a point that even trivial matters went to the Supreme Court. By trivial, I mean a dog biting the neighbour. Can you even imagine that in the U.S of A.? Also, judges here have too much power, it would seem. Even when they are complete and utter imbecils, as seems to be the case. Were I on a Brazilian blog, BTW, I would not dare say I thought the judge was an imbecil, though.
Also, there is such a thing in the civil code as "the right to one's own image." This means that you have the right to control the use of your image. However, it would seem that fucking in a public beach, when you are a celebrity of sorts would preclude to right to pledge the right to such right. Am I being clear? I mean, there have been all sorts of pornographic interpretation of individual rights. I recently witnessed a complete douchebag seriously threaten with a lawsuit a list moderator. The guy had been expelled because of bad behaviour, but he went on to take legal action on the ground his "right to expression" was being denied. I bet he's got a 50-50 chance of pulling it off, too. All sorts of weird shit like this in Brazil. Another fun one was a judge ruling spam was ok, because it didn't "waste any material resources" (that was circa 1996, though). Oh, yeah, and the Brazilian Constitution does not grant you the right to express yourslef anonymously. Huh.
There have been cases, for instance, of cartoonists being sued because of portraying politicians in what was judged to be "excessive" ridicule. Now, either that is the job of a cartoonist that specializes in political satire or I just really should be just as well living in Iran, Cuba or China. All this means is that Brazil, sadly, has little garantees of real freedom of expression. Just about every newspaper has to waste a huge amount of money and time in courts. I wouldn't say it would be wise to have a blog and express one's opinion as openly as people do in the United States, in Brazil. Chances are, they'll sue your pants off. Unless you are working in a big media outlet, you're dead meat. In a more shameful example, when NYT reporter Larry Rother suggested in an article that Brazil's president had a penchant for heavy drinking, the president and his acolytes considered actually banning Mr. Rother form the country. They went bananas.
We will live yet to see the day when Google gets blocked in Brazil, because they refused to remove a link to press material judged "offensive" to corrupt politicos. You'll see... There'll come a time I'll probably ask for political exile somewhere. When they ask me why, I'll answer: "Because living in Brazil fucks too much with my head and I'll become a mental case, sooner or later."
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When a sex video of a media starlet (singer) from my country was found on the net, people just laughed at her and watched lustingly. She tried to sue the local news site that propagated the link, but even that failed. To attempt to censor the Internet, and a gigantic site as youtube no loss for the sake of the questionable reputation of some TV hostess has really no excuse. I hope Brazilians are outraged at this court decision...
http://kingnutter.com/articles/view/231/
Unless YouTube has a branch in Brazil (though I've never heard about such thing).
I am pretty sure that Google has a branch office in Brazil, since Google runs Orkut and Brazil is Orkut's major market and the source of 50+% of its userbase.
If the Brazilian government wanted to go after Google, I'm sure they have some assets in-country that they could go after. Probably not the real war chests of the company, which I assume is all in the States, but a few million bucks worth of stuff seized would probably annoy the shareholders quite a bit.
Frankly it surprises me that so many internet companies persist in maintaining branch offices in so many countries. Every time you set up a location and incorporate in a new jurisdiction, you increase your legal exposure and make whatever assets you assign to that shell (at the very least) vulnerable to that country's laws. It would seem that as the international climate grows more and more litigious, that the hazards of setting up local subsidiaries would outweigh the risks more often. I certainly would want to minimize the number of subsidiaries, if I were running a multinational, I'd think.
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i'm in sao paulo right now, and not having any problems with http://www.youtube.com/ or any of the videos on that site (other than the fact that my connection is slow, but that's normal when dealing with brazil) ;)
The article is misleading, not all the connections from Brazil are blocked, only the ones which pass through the Brasil Telecom's backbone (one of the major internet providers here in Brazil), which I am one of its customers.
It's not really hard to bypass it, we just need to configure a proxy (but judging the average level of knowledge the internet population, that might be a challenge).
The Brazilian Internet Steering Committee - CGI.br will soon say something about the matter, pretty much telling the justice, here, went way too far in this matter.
Personally I'm ashamed by this episode; out of the three powers, I consider Judiciary the most intelligent; even if was a Tribunal of State of São Paulo behind the order, and not the Federal ones(which I regard highly), they should know it better.
Just tell Youtube to take down the videos and the uploaders, and perhaps hand over the names and IPs of the Brazilian uploaders so only they are prosecuted. Leave the rest of Brazil out of this.
Anyways, does the Brazilian justice have any rights over something filmed in a Spanish _public_ beach, involving an Brazilian model, posted in an American site? It's okay you want to protect the intimacy of one person, but that shouldn't go over the rights of thousands of others.
POST IT ON PORNOTUBE.COM
i ate my bitch's poonani last nite and dayum it was stanky!
You can't really give a hard quantity for "amateur radio" since there are many ways of transmitting packets. Over VHF, which is the most popular region for packet (although TCP/IP is not all that common), you're typically in the 9600 to 14400 baud range. (And 9600 baud is considered "fast" packet.) The frequencies can handle more data, but most people don't have the equipment to do more than that, so the de facto standards are rather slow.
On microwave or some of the higher UHF bands, if you were only interested in doing a point-to-point link and were going to use specialized equipment, you could obviously push a lot of data. For long distances, down on HF, and with low signal-to-noise, you're going to be talking about fairly slow teletype-like speeds. (3600 baud is considered really good.)
But as the other respondent mentioned, the bigger hurdles to such a system aren't technical but legal and regulatory; at least in the U.S., using Amateur Radio for any sort of business or commercial purpose is prohibited, as is any form of encryption (there are some narrow exceptions but in general, encryption is strictly verboten). Plus, there are rules about letting people transmit information using your radio and passing third-party traffic internationally (only some countries have agreements with the U.S. allowing hams to do this).
Right now, the current state-of-the-art with respect to Amateur Radio wide-area data networking (of things actually in use by any significant number of users) are probably WinLink2000/Airmail2000. They're all designed for email-via-radio (particularly HF radio) rather than web browsing or other real-time activities. Unfortunately, they rely very heavily on closed-source, single-OS software, and (at least as implemented by many stations) proprietary, patent-encumbered communications protocols, which I think are anathema to the very idea of amateur radio. (Case in point: WinLink2000 prefers PACTOR2 as its HF OTA protocol, which is not only a proprietary and patented algorithm, but it requires the purchase of a very expensive hardware modem, available only from a single source. And the software is closed-source and Windows-only. Sound like a good idea to you? Yeah, me neither. And the WL2k people wonder why there's little interest...) Anyway, enough of a rant there. The point is that the state-of-the-art with regards to amateur radio is pretty well behind what most internet users would probably be impressed with.
There unfortunately seems to be little interest among mainstream hams (at least that I've met) to pursue or develop modern radio-data communications. There are definitely people out there who are doing some great stuff, but down at my local club, which I think is fairly representative, a large percentage of the guys see radios and computers as two separate things better off left separate. Radio is something they've been doing for decades; computers are black boxes. (Even using computers for logging purposes is viewed as "pretty high tech.") I'm not saying they're fools by any means, a few of them are absolute geniuses when it comes to radio and analog signals -- we're talking greybeards who could MacGuyver themselves an HF transceiver out of your junk box. So while I have the utmost respect for them, very little of that knowledge is getting passed on, or combined with modern technology. Hence the biggest developments in radio communication are not being done by hams, but by companies who develop products for other related markets (marine communication, in the case of PACTOR) and amateurs get stuck with what trickles down, instead of the other way around as it was in the past.
The only way this is going to change is if more young people, or people with a wider variety of interests and knowledge, become hams and learn from the 'old wizards' before they're gone (and at my club, you're a real spring chicken if you weren't around during World War II), and amateur radio and its associated spectrum and opportunities for communication gone with it. Starting mid-Feb,
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No problem here all day. I'm in São Paulo.
It's quite dumb to have sex in public, especially as a public figure. But I am slightly amazed at some of the comments here about "freedom of speech" and "the Brazilian government does x" or "spread it as much as you can to show em!".
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech of the Brazilian government as a whole. As I understand it, this is a civil lawsuit by the person in question to stop having a sex video shown. Which became court ordered, a court is not "the Brazilian government". It seems some techies here have little understanding of how political power and the court systems work. It's the same as you stepping to a court to ask them to do something (in this case protect your privacy) and the court ruling in your favour, that has nothing to do with "the Brazilian government" or "freedom of speech".
I'm also a bit amazed at how vengeful some people's comments are with how it should be spread. Don't get me wrong, she wasn't the smartest person in the world to have herself be filmed publically making out and later having sex in the water, but that doesn't mean she should be criminalised or hurt for it or? Its a bit the "if you leave your door open it serves you right to be robbed" argument. People wanting other people to suffer for making a mistake, justifying the actual thing that was done wrong. Because while she was stupid, somebody did violate her privacy by filming it and putting it online.
As for somebody commenting about how "a government" dares to impose law on a US company. Aside from it being a court, thank god they can! Sorry, but I really do not want to live in a world where companies make the laws, can break the laws, etc. and governments have no power over them..... oh wait that world is already happening. I have nothing against google, but they are "just a company", they should not have power over governments who where democratically elected.
Of course otherwise it's stupid they would court order to block all of youtube for an entire nation. But I think this more showcases the issues with lawmaking over the Internet and policing the Internet.
One should think before posting.
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...before popping a cock in her ass in public.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
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Seriously.. nothing to see. The girl doesn't get naked at all during the whole video. That's not how you make a sex video.. she should talk to Paris Hilton
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According to the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniella_Cicarelli) that video caused the Brazilian stock market computers to crash, because they were downloading so so much.
So now we know what the work ethic is like in the stock market
Many sites are blocked in all countries in one way or another. An example in the UK which surprised me was related to the Unofficial Packardbell wiki (see link http://www.mtm.fuckyouanddie.com/wiki/doku.php?id= ). This site had all it's links from the Packardbell Userforum cut but at the same time it disappeared from Google's listing (hm...there was no fading away due to reduced usage and it is still listed by MSN!?). The search term was 'exths'.
Since Packardbell use an oem windows operating system which does not use Microsoft's product activation, an alternative method was created. This involved putting hidden markings (a tattoo and exths) on the hardrive and in the dmi in your motherboard which contain information about your pc. However if your harddrive fails and you did'nt backup your hidden markings which is quite tricky and you probably won't know about, it will be necessary to use premium rate phone lines or a Packardbell engineer to replace your hardrive and reinstall your copy of Windows. Your local pc technician will not have the information to reinstall your operating system on your new hardrive. This site helps provide that information. Packardbell do everything they can to block users doing their own repairs and upgrades (related to hardrives) and suppress this site on the road to corporate profit.
I'm still able to access YouTube, and I don't expect the situation to change. Otherwise Virtua (my ISP) is losing a customer. I like YouTube and I don't want to proxy my way around it.
I'm surprised at the Brasil Telecom block, it's INSANE. They weren't even defendants in the lawsuit. This is an issue between two Brazilian media portals AND YouTube, they're the ones being sued. Everyone else has nothing to do with this. And the video isn't even in YouTube any longer (Daily Motion still had it last I checked), not that it matters since EVERYONE and their dog and grandmother has seen it.
This is ridiculous.
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
If this was on a public beach, I wonder why this is a problem and why they were not arrested for 'public lewdness'. Seems like there is one law for the rich and famous and a different set of laws for the rest of us
When women do it they're called sluts when men do it they're called heroes. I doubt you're any exception, so well done for propagating this stigma against women.
am in brazil. works perfectly fine.
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Block whole website because one so-called-star? What if they block wikipedia because someone will wrote there that politicians from Brazil are assholes? Oh, maybe Slashdot is already blocked ;)
How a us company don't need to repect other countries law, but on the same time, other company, allofmp3 have to pay a price for follow the law of us. Is it only us have the tremendous economics power to controll outside of the states? Brazil blocked youtube clips can be called human right violation, because they don't have the power to set their punishment to youtube. What the hell can we call if the "god blessed us" use wto to ask moscow to pass the trillion fine to allofmp3, or ask pirate bay to shut down.
You are trying to blame Portugal and the Portuguese culture for Brasil's underachievements and flaws, which is a bit silly and ignorant, to say the least. For example, you claim that Brazil's legal system is "extremely convoluted" due to being inherited from the Portuguese legal system. Yet, you fail to mention that Brazil is an independent nation since 1822, that the country adopted a government and legal system from states like Great Britain and the Austrian empire and since then it already lived through three revolutions, which once more changed the country's government and legal system. If that wasn't enough, when Brazil gain it's independence it was little more than a few colonies in the coast and only after that did the colonization of the region got up on it's feet and it was only since then that the country started forming. Counting with the help of 5 million immigrants from places like Japan, European and even from arab countries. Didn't they contributed to Brazil's current situation? Of course they do and obviously more than some portuguese colonist from the 17th and 18th century.
So, in the end what you are trying to do is dump Brazil's problems and underachievements onto a whole different nation which didn't took any part on Brazil's formation and growth and only shared a common origin. Moreover, you are trying to blame a whole different nation for Brazil's problems even though it was Brazil who opted to create the mess it's in and after it's fair share of fresh starts. When will Brazil assume the responsibility for it's own state?
If that wasn't enough, some brazilians have the habit of blaming Portugal for Brazil's problems even though Portugal doesn't suffer from any of them. For example, one frequent accusation is that Brazil's crime problem is due to Portugal. Yet, Portugal is one of the safest countries in the EU. Another is that Brazil's rampant corruption is due to Portugal. Yet, Portugal is one of the world's least corrupt countries (TI ranks Portugal at 26) while not only Brazil lags behind but it is also getting worse every year (TI ranks Brazil at 70, tied with Ghana and Senegal).
Another thing which I find pathetic is that there are brazilians who blame Portugal for Brazil's shortcomings with a blink of an eye and yet they don't seem to remember Portugal's alleged overbearing influence when they talk about Brazil's success stories. When is Portugal quoted on Brazil's space program or even in Curitiba's urban planning and transportation system example to the world? Heck, even Brazil's success in sports like football. Those are prime examples of Brazil's excellence. Where is Portugal's influence there?
Slashdot, fix your code or at least hire someone who is competent at it to do it for you.
>If she's merely a starlet, isn't it probable that this is all just a publicity stunt to help thrust herself into full-blown stardom?
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Isn't it a bit over generalizing to call all Brazilian women sluts?
I am not certain how much of Brazil you know, but I know quite a few sluts who never set foot in Brazil.
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Seriously, she was on the cover of every other stupid gossip magazine I saw in Brazil. Half the time she looked drunk or stoned or something, possibly her natural look.
Yet I have no fucking idea what she does. Every description of her calls her a "media starlet" or something similarly vague. Seems like she's one of these annoying people who've gained fame and fortune out of a series of random opportunities resulting exclusively from good looks.
So now this woman, who seems to take every chance she gets to throw her face at the Brazilian public, has gone a bit further than she'd like. So, does she accept the consequences of her stupid mistake and try to grow from it? No! That's for ordinary people! Apparently she's important enough to have access blocked entirely to one of the most popular websites.
And Brazilians will continue to buy those shitty magazines with her face on them, paying for a chance to bask in this serene modesty of hers.
(Okay! Seething anger vented for today. Thank you Miss Cicarelli!)
and block them in the intranet and cash them.
One skulkin greedy bitch cut a whole nation's access to the most free source of videos.
Laws need to be revised in terms of 'privacy'.
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i should point out I definitely don't believe all women in brazil are sluts. I wouldn't even know, never been there. I was simply sharing my opinion in my own words.
I admit I could have chose better words. But know thats not what i meant.
It's only a "stigma" because women care. If someone called me a "slut" (I'm male), I'd smile and nod. It's all in how people take it.
So really, you are the one stigmatizing women by encouraging them to react negatively to a normative description.
It's always a long day... 86400 doesn't fit into a short.
At this moment it does not seem to be blocked here (São Paulo). The entire episode is a media prank. Whatever it happens or not... We here don't fear youtube blockages: We simply do Proxy. I think the media fluss is a success already. Not only every single Brazilian had the privilege to see that video. That included grandma. Now, daniella was slashdotted. Not bad at all as a first step to become, hum, a more global big-mouthed starlet.
I've never heard a man called a hero for sleeping around. And the women who don't like being called sluts can do something about it: stop sleeping around. People who sleep around are sluts, men and women alike. Deal with it, slut.
Block Brazil totally for being such babies. Let their citizens rise up and overthrow the morons that are apparently running their government.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The brazillian bikini is called fio dental - or dental floss if you may.
Brazilian IT industry show a growth of 20% in production, as its main source of procrastination is put offline by court order.
but are you implying that 90% of Slashdot is made up of men?
Quite obviously, you've not had the "benefit" of an American college education.
Well, she married footballer Ronaldo (soccer player for americans), one of the wealthiest and most know of the world, though in the last World Cup he became infmaous for being mistaken with the ball. They stayed married for a few weeks. She had (has?) been at brazilian MTV as well. As for the block, the court order tells (who? ISPs?) to implement "filters", but it doesn't specify whether only the video should be blocked or the whole site.
Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
Wasn't the video shot in Spain? Hello! Come on now, you're under Spainish/EU privacy laws if you humpback in the Spanish Sea now.
Too... many... puns...
I have searched for this brazilian lady on google images with my Filter On, and she doesn't seem to be able to wear anything more than a Bikini. She decided to video tape her time with her boy friend, they didn't take care of keeping it safe, and now it's suddenly a nation wide issue. I am not supporting the nude videos here, but imagine if every celebrity video tapes her self, leak the video, spread it all over the world, and then she wants to be paid for it! I can see it the other way around. Why not Google sue her because she didn't take care of her personal video tapes, now its leaked all over YouTube, causing Brazil to ban whole YouTube, and costing Google money!
Looks a lot like the courts protecting the rich and famous more than anyone else.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Hey what about charging them with having sex in a public place !!!! Or even better still why not get them back and do it again out of the water. If they want to have sex in a public place then they run that risk!
If you recall, Amazon and eBay had to block Nazi type merchandise due to European laws.
"Mr. Robert B. Smith?"
"Yes"
"You are under arrest for attempted fraud in Republic of Nigeria, come with us"
This will get to be more fun as times goes on.
If she wasn't acting like a whore and fucking a guy in public, it would have been caught on video and published on the Internet.
Whose fault is it?
People are so weird. While I am aware of the social and economic problems that violence can cause (death, injuries, etc.), the fact remains that most of the living creatures on the planet use violence, including most humans. We are built for it and driven to it. It's just a simple fact of life. I really honestly don't understand why we think it is so horrible to capture it on film. If you don't like watching, then don't watch.
You can mod me down, but the fact of the matter is that youtube was not blocked in Brazil, even for a minute.
" by BRUTICUS (325520) on Sunday January 07, @10:00AM (#17497530)
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i should point out I definitely don't believe all women in brazil are sluts. I wouldn't even know, never been there. I was simply sharing my opinion in my own words.
I admit I could have chose better words. But know thats not what i meant."
Don't worry, you must be american, am I right?
Americans are a all dumb
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This is not true, I'm from Brazil and I'm accessing youtube normally. The censorship was a hoax, tribunals did not decided to do this.
Youtube website it's working fine !! I'm live in SP, and the access it's OK. This news it's a VAPORNEWS, not reality.
Google has already been threatened before here in Brazil regarding Orkut communities focused on hate speech (which is illegal here in Brazil). Google didn't really gave a damn and didn't provide any personal information regarding those individuals.
Brazilian judges have this problem regarding the difference between Google Inc. (US company) and Google Brasil S.A. (a Brazilian company). As much as the brazilian offices wanted to comply with the court order, they didn't have the power to.
In the end, if Google moved out of Brazil it really would be a Brazilian loss, Google would just set up its Latin American office in Argentina or Chile and keep printing money while Brazil would suck a little bit more.
I find the idea of a multinational corporation and a government getting into it fascinating. Not fascinating in a good way, but fascinating in a 'well, I never thought I'd see that happen' sort of way.
At least in my experience, many people in government have something of a god complex. The idea that there are people more powerful than them just doesn't compute. And to a certain extent, they're quite justified. At least in the last few hundred years of history, there haven't been a lot of organizations that could rival governments in terms of power and longevity; some religious organizations were up there (and still are), and some quasi-governmental corporations (e.g. VOC, HEIC), but generally speaking I think it's safe to say that most politicians regard government as inherently superior to industry and the historical counterexamples to this are seen as exceptions rather than rules.
Setting aside whether this should be the case, I think we are rapidly approaching or have already reached a point where many industrial/corporate organizations are playing on the same field as many states, whether those states want to admit it or not.
I don't think it's beyond the realm of speculation to wonder if a day might come when a group of business interests might get together and plot the downfall of a government because it was threatening their income.
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And why would that be? Because they make sweeping generalizations about entire nations like yourself? Sorry sharpshooter but no, i'm not american.
I'm from Brazil and a I'm seen a lot of news in the Internet about this YouTube issue. I even got e-mails from other Brazilian guys saying that the YouTube site were blocked in Brazil... however, the truth is that, until now, I'm accessing the YouTube site normally!
I'm a brazilian student. I just read the slashdot news and tried to access YouTube. It works perfectly! Well, YouTube is not (completely) blocked here.
Such a term is used with the express purpose of denigrate and discriminate.
That somebody is so rich as to suggest people complaining about the use of the term, are actually the ones "stigmiatizing" women just comes to show the mountain left to climb for people aiming for a just society for women.
You are completely atrocious and anachronistic.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
The current Brazilian President is the best you had for decades.
Previously you have military dictatorships that exploited football for political gains or neolibelral technocrats that pretty much ignored the whole of the Brazilian poor in favour of the rich and powerful.
The current President is of humble extraction, is not "semi-analphabet" (I guess you meant semi-illiterate) since he was a Labour activist for many years, hardly the activity of somebody that has no literacy.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Try again.
I am Mexican btw.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If a brazillion women want to continue their slutty ways, I'm all for it. Wait, how many is a brazillion, again?
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
How about airplanes for instance? http://www.embraer.com/
The site is really being blocked.
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The news on the parent post is 4 days old. The court decision to block the site was done today... a few moments ago.
All major internet companies that do international routing are being told to block YouTube to brazilians. IT WILL NOT BE AS SIMPLE AS A DNS BLOCK (unfortunatelly)
Bellow is the Telefonica note every user reiceves when they try acessing youtube. You will only get this if you are Telefonica's internet subscriber.
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/0,,MTM2789-6174,00.h
I'm accessing the intarnet through a direct dedicated connection. This is the most ridiculous action that I ever know. A shame that our democracy and freedom of speech is a joke. She (Daniela Cicarelli) works for MTV, and my tinfoil hat tells me that they support her in this for they maintain a crappy videoclip site called "MTV Overdrive".
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Well if it's on wikipedia, it must be true! That's assuming that a bunch of fratboys coun't possibly have got it mixed up with "whanger/wanger" in the fist place...
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.