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ITunes 8 a Real Killer App; Taking Down Vista
CWmike writes "Apple 's latest version of iTunes crashes Windows Vista when an iPod or iPhone is connected to the PC, scores of users have reported on Apple's support forum. Plug in and Vista crashes and shows the 'blue screen of death.' The errors began showing up immediately after updating iTunes to Version 8.0, which Apple released Tuesday as part of its iPod refresh. 'I just installed iTunes 8 over my iTunes 7 on Vista [and] now whenever I plug in my iPod, I get a blue screen death. Three times so far. Even if it is plugged in on boot, I get a blue screen," said a user identified as 'sambeckett' on the support forum about 90 minutes after Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrapped up the iPod launch."
Expect Apple to blame Vista.
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- E. Debs
Yay!! I was getting worried I was never going to see the BSOD again.. Welcome back old friend
I thought you were going to say that Vista was causing the iPod metal shell to become highly charged and was responsible for electrocutions.
After all, Vista kills babies!
That really IS horrible. I did not know that anyone was actually using Vista. - Steve J.
That this wasn't caught in the testing stages?
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What are the chances your 1,000 songs are also gone when you start your computer back up after it's done crying for mercy? I still haven't reloaded mine from the last time iTunes crashed windows. :(
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iTunes ain't done, 'til Vista don't run!
It really seems that causing a BSoD is something that would have come up in testing, no?
Anything you say will be held against you.
well is it Apples fault OR is it MS Vista that has the problem . Apple would have debugged it on a vista box , But it is posable that a vista update killed it .By mistake or on purpose ,your guess is as good as mine.
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This sounds like a feature, not a bug.
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You know, it seems like there are an awful lot of problems with drivers under Vista. Certainly far more problems than I've seen on Vista.
The thing that bothers me about that is the change in driver architecture was billed as a way to make Vista faster and more stable. Why, then, is it that most of the drivers for Vista are less stable and slower than the same hardware running in XP?
It's been a long time.
"iTunes has detected illegal music files. Now trashing your computer . . . please wait for the lawyers to show up."
No good deed goes unpunished. - Avon, Blake's 7
With Apple slamming Vista at every opportunity, those who combine the two are surely asking for trouble.
Of course, the next time an Apple exec tries to slam Vista, they might want to ensure they can actually write good software themselves before commenting on it.
+1 IDisagreeSoHeMustBeATrollOrAnAstroturferOrAShill
AFAIK the only thing that can cause a BSOD is code running in the kernel space, ring 0.
Quite why iTunes affects stuff that runs in kernel space is another matter... but I suspect it's probably to do with the Protected Media Path stuff. DRM, in other words. I can't think of anything in iTunes that should be running in kernel space - in Vista, all drivers apart from a component of the graphics driver are supposed to run in userspace.
Does anyone find the humor in the fact that Apple and Windows are not playing well together???
love the taste, hate the texture
"Wow PC, it looks like your Vista users are really having headaches running great software like iTunes 8. Mac runs them just fine."
"You son of a bitch." (Pulls out a gun)
"Whoa PC, whoa, let's not..."
BLAM.
I had to switch from Ubuntu to check, but iTunes 8 with my iPod is definitely not crashing my Vista Ultimate (free from school, I only keep it because of software for class that requires windows)
This happened to me... I read the Apple thread, and followed simple instructions... unplugged my HP printer, and it stopped the BSOD's when I plugged in my iPhone. Most people are saying the problem is with the Apple USB drivers screwing with the drivers for HP printers and Logitech mice/keyboards. There may be other devices that cause the problem as well, but those two are the biggies.
So until iTunes 8.1 is released, I can either charge my phone or print... but not both at the same time!
Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
I went to RTFA. Before it showed me the article, though, I got a page that asked, "What are you waiting for? Make the move to Microsoft Vista with confidence."
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Let the blame fall where it will
iTunes installs its own CD drivers to manage ripping and burning, as well as always-on "helper" and updater processes, in addition to drivers for the iPod/iPhone.
Asinine, but then again Apple doesn't follow Windows UI guidelines either.
I'm out of my mind right now, but feel free to leave a message.....
I'm on Vista 64 ultimate and no BSOD here with the iPhone.
My speakers makes a wierd sort of distorted gurgling sound when the phone is connected, and then the phone does it's characteristic beep. But no BSOD.
Personally, I blame Linux.
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Wow, and here I was thinking it's time to upgrade the media center from that elderly, barely supported (but solid) XP Media Center Edition, to Vista. 26 gigs of music, and no way to get it on our ipods... Yeesh. Oh, I know it'll be fixed, but stories like this give me chills.
Upon re-reading that, it sounded like I'm dissing Microsoft. Not really, just prudently waiting for these kinds of issues to settle -- no matter who's fault they are -- before thinking about upgrading. By then, the CPU upgrade necessary to run Vista should be really cheap. :-)
This is off topic, but I have to say it: I may have to turn in my Linux geek hat for saying this, but I've been running XP Media Center Edition 2005 since it came out, under heavy daily use, and have not had a single bluescreen of death. Not one. (Nobody is more surprised than me. :-))
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
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After all, software and OS manufacturers never ever cause any problems, so it must be the hardware manufacturer.
Plus, it will certainly not be included in the warranty.
(caveat - we got rid of our Vista machines)
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It's pretty hard to write an application any other way. You can sandbox all you like, but there's always still something connecting all the layers to each other.
"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
Geesh the last three versions were bloated to the heavens. I think it takes about a minute to start now. A least few recent versions flat out crashed or did not update correctly. And is there any piece of application software that takes more time to update than iTunes? I don't think so.
It's a new vista theme pack that comes with iTunes.
Can I bum a sig?
Its most likely the buggy Apple drivers which are causing crashes not iTunes itself.
The buggy drivers must be running in kernel mode.
...but what if Apple pulled a Microsoft and put an intentional bug into the app? Sure, it might seem a little too sophisticated for such a small thing, and people will still blame iTunes since it's the main application, but what if tomorrow Steve releases a press release apologizing to Vista users but blames it squarely on Vista "oh sorry something in our new version invoked a buggy piece of vista and we had to work around it." And what if that's what all the support people at apple are instructed to say? What if friends down the street say "oh dude I have a Mac/XP and it works fine for me" might iPod users say "fuckin' vista!" With a little careful preparation, I think this might be possible... maybe only a little bit of a stretch? :)
Sounds a little conspiracy theory-ish, but keep an eye out the next couple of days. You never know.
I am a mac fan, but I don't put evil past Apple by any means, they are a corporation after all. At the same time, evil attacking evil is loads of fun to watch, but I pity the people who get caught in the middle who can't sync now until a fix is released.
"All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"
Running, Vista x64, iTunes 8, with an iPhone 3G. No problems so far.
It's always seemed to me that iTunes for Windows was just slapdash kludge for allowing compatibility between iPods and Windows. My experiences with it have been nothing but buggy and slooooooow. Honestly, I think it just needs to be rebuilt from the ground up for Windows.
Mod this bullshit down. The iTunes DRM is 100% inside quicktime.qts.
(I'm the original author of PyTunes, the base for Pymusique -- I know a bit about Fairplay)
Disconnect and self-destruct, one bullet at a time.
You didn't even read the summary. It only happens when you plug an ipod in, ie, a piece of hardware is bringing the system down- probably through driver problems, but possibly for other reasons. To quote the summary " now whenever I plug in my iPod, I get a blue screen death." That's not software,thats hardware, and thus, much more likely to cause a crash if it isn't treated properly.
In other news 1000 Ubuntu users running under WINE without whining.
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The tags right now are [+] bug, media, music, windows, haha (tagging beta)
Odd that Apple, iPod, and iTunes aren't tags for a story about a bug in their software?
Vista sucks for not encapsulating the exception, but it sure sounds like the bug is on Apple's side of the issue.
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WMP doesn't follow windows UI guidelines. I think the UI guidelines for Windows specifically give media players a pass.
Some evil little wabbit is at fault, I'm sure!
I say that, not because of the code, but because of what itunes 8 is, it's Apple installing some more DRM to close a hole someone found, apple hates DRM, but then amazingly it spends a huge amount of effort maintaining it. Has anyone seen the NBC shows back on iTunes, they're CHEAPER than before, so turns out, Apple was inflating the price, not nbc. Just seems like apple screws you at every opportunity.
Wow PC, it looks like your Vista users are really having headaches running
like iTunes 8. Mac runs them
"GREAT" software. "JUST" fine. when they exaggerate using such words, i really go nuts. if you ask them to define what technically running "fine" on a computer means, they would start blabbering. but still use the word anyways.
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Itunes in past has:
- deleted your legit music
- Unstalled othe mac applications without asking you
- Hijacked volume control from windows
- Modified code specifically to make it hard to work with the ipod outside of itunes
- Is the largest pusher of DRM technology
Really a BSOD isn't that big of a deal. And incase you are curious NO it isn't windows fault. Why is a music player installing drivers overtop of standard drivers that work perfectly? Aside from their hatred of doing things the same even when they are better only jobs knows. If windows tried to pull even half the bullship Apple has they would have been sued into dust. I find it disgusting its ok since its mac.
On-topic enought to tell here: My computer won't even boot with an iPod attached. Might be just the shuffle, but I think having my old mini connected is a no-no, too. Won't even go past the BIOS screen, it hangs before the pseudo memory check at POST.
Sometimes I don't even get an image on the screen, I think because it hangs too fast for the monitor too sync. I found this out the (very) hard way: Computer didn't boot, no image on screen, seemingly for no reason, so I did what I had to do, basic troubleshooting. Remove power cord and reconnect after a while, didn't do anything. So I started tearing out extension cards, disconnecting hard drives, removing RAM chips. Had pretty much the whole thing disassembled, short of removing the CPU (because removing the HSF is such a PITA). Erased the BIOS using a paperclip, nothing. Only then did I notice, by accident, that some USB devices, including the iPod, were still attached. Disconnected them, and the system booted fine. WTF.
The whole thing is so strange that I promptly forgot about it and repeated the whole procedure half a year later. Doh!
Note that everything works fine once the POST is done, I bet I could even boot of of it if I wanted to, and I can use them in Linux or Windows just fine. So really just a minor inconvenience, albeit a very odd one. (I blame my motherboard, BTW, not the iPod.)
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I just crashed Vista Business when I connected the iPhone to the computer with iTunes 8. I restarted and it has worked fine. Had this article come up 10 minutes earlier, I wouldn't be updating this iPhone right now!
If I had points (and hadn't commented already like crazy) I'd mod you up here.
DRM almost always doesn't need to (and does not) run in kernelspace. It's userland encryption.
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- E. Debs
Even Microsoft doesn't have the money for both a sufficient QA department *and* Seinfeld. I guess they figured that at least Seinfeld would make everyone laugh, as the ship sinks.
Unless they come to my house and compare the files on my computer with the CDs in my collection, there's no way they can tell what's legal and what isn't.
Uh... BRB I have to go lock some doors and turn out some lights.
Hahaha, awesome, actually made me laugh out loud.
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- E. Debs
Well, after I installed iTunes 8 I didn't get BSOD, but iTunes wouldn't load, it just generated a generic error and I could cancel or debug. iTunes 7 worked great before, so fortunately I still had that download and was able to restore 7 after a bunch of Googling and trial and error. Several reboots later.. and probably a couple of hours of my time.. I had the old iTunes 7 up and running. I was eager to have something running as a badly needed iPhone update is due out tomorrow! Hopefully the Safari browser on iPhone won't crash as often. Getting tired of these iBugs!!
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Is the largest pusher of DRM technology
You're saying that Apple has shipped more copies of iTunes than Microsoft has shipped copies of Windows XP and Vista (or Windows Media Player 9 for earlier versions of Windows)? That Apple has shipped more copies of iTunes than all DVD players combined (worldwide!)?
Well, no, actually, I think you're pretty far off base with that one.
does it blend?
Hehe, Apple doesn't follow Apple's UI guidelines :)
If iPods were simply accessible as a USB mass storage device, I don't think there would have been a problem.
From what I can see, Apple uses a proprietary device-type, so they can talk to it using an encrypted connection.
All that, simply to keep you from copying files you supposedly don't have the right to copy.
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Riiiight... Because an update to *Vista* broke everything.
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HP Printer.
Drivers on windows can be troublesome. It would suprise me if usbaapl64.sys has some issue previously undiscovered.
This is fallout of shared component design MS uses.
Should Apple have tested with HP printers? Probably, but no one can test every configuration of a PC.
The USB set up MS is using is causing a fault in Ring 0. That's the only way I can see this causing a BSoD
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... you're doing it wrong.
You probably already know this, but for the benefit of others -- those drivers are from GEAR software:
http://www.gearsoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=GEAR_Powered_Products#iTunes_for_Windows
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This has the smells of my old iPod Shuffle crashing the XP upon boot when connected--
To some, there was a time (and still on mine at least) where you can't boot up in Windows XP with a iPod shuffle hooked up.
For the life of me, I cannot have my shuffle plugged in at boot time--something hangs the system (USB boot somehow triggering it I think).
And how long was it before Apple deleted sambeckett's post?
Yet if you install the GEAR drivers separately (for us XP64 users), iTunes doesn't recognize them as valid (although it did in the past).
<sarcasm>And of course, Windows doesn't already have disc burning built in. Apple needsd to make sure to include that.</sarcasm>
I'm out of my mind right now, but feel free to leave a message.....
It crashed my iMac twice, also with iPod attached. Not sure about the exact steps to replicate, both crashes happened not immediately but after a while.
MS DRM, not Apple.
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Most computers have 2-4 USB plugs on the motherboard. Each one is split into two ports(more?) you can plug devices into.
Be sure your printer is on a different USB plug.
This is a power struggle between HP and Apple..I mean electrical power between the devices, not corporate power.
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Asinine, but then again Apple doesn't follow Windows UI guidelines either.
There are Windows UI guidelines? From the truly bizarre menagerie of inconsistent UIs I see in the 3rd-party windows software world, it wasn't clear to me that any guidelines even existed.
Certainly very few people follow them.
I stole this sig from someone cleverer than me.
Apple would NEVER write any software that made Windows® look bad, would it?
He mixed Apple iTunes sloppy code with Microsoft Vista sloppy code.
That is why I don't use iTunes or Vista, both have sloppy code in them that cause crashed. When you cross both of them together you crash the system or at least cause it to lock up.
It is also why my G3 iMac was never upgraded to Mac OSX and still runs Mac OS9, because of Apple's sloppy code in OSX. If I convert it to a new OS it will either be Linux or AROS, because both of them are stable and being ported to the PowerPC platform or have a port already.
Apple "borrowed" a lot from Commodore, first it was the Vic-20 Commodore logo key copied as the Apple logo key on the Apple //e, then it was the Commodore Vic-20 and Commodore 64 compact design copied with the Apple //c, then it was the Amiga Workbench and co-processor support for 4096 colors and above with the Commodore Amiga in the Macintosh II (The Macintosh II was basically an Amiga 2000 rip-off after the Mr. Coffee Classic black and white Macintosh series was an epic fail), and then NeXT was an AmigaOS rip-off using BSD Unix (AmigaOS/AmigaDOS was based on the Unix-like TriPOS and Steve Jobs learned from his epic fail to use Unix as it is more like the Amiga to help make Next survive), Pixar ripped off the Newtek Video Toaster that Amigas had used (Steve Jobs saw how Amiga 2000s with the Video Toaster did great desktop video for movies and wanted to borrow that tech for Pixar), and then Mac OSX got the AROS and AmigaOS 3.X look and feel but with the Microsoft Windows bloat. AROS does not have the Windows bloat but still has the AmigaDOS/Workbench "less is more" approach in that it is memory efficient and doesn't need a high end processor with tons of memory to run it.
Basically Apple started to slowly evolve into Microsoft, and Amiga and the Amiga technology evolved into what the Macintosh should have been in 1985, and evolved into what it should be with AROS into modern times.
Apple even is suing people like Microsoft did like Pystar because of its EULA, which is very much like the one Microsoft has. Apple vs. Pystar is very much like Microsoft vs. IBM over OS/2, so Apple is evolving to what Microsoft was during the OS/2 years in the 1990's.
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Try plugginh an HP printer into the same usb Channel as your iPhone.
This will cause the crash.
In the scenerio I presented to you, whose fault would you think was the crash if you ahdn
t read this story?
Probably HPs.
Just an example of how overly complex windows driver architecture is.
This is why I feel we should go back to the applications installing everything it needs under a directory it creates.
Less mess, easy trouble shooting easy uninstall, not files scattered all over your system.
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Expect Apple to blame Vista.
Probably, but this begs to me to ask what iTunes is doing to bring down the OS. If it is driver related, then surely all drivers used to communicate with the iPhone and iPod should be user space drivers? If they aren't it would seem Apple did something wrong, or does Vista not support user-space drivers? If Apple is using a user-space driver, then this would put the blame on vista.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Nobody follows the Windows UI guidelines. WMP doesn't, most CD burning apps don't, every single program you get with printers, cameras etc. insists on using what looks like its own private GUI toolkit... Consistency has been seriously out since shortly after XP was released. Writing a Windows app that looks like a Windows app is like using GTK+ 1 to write a new GNOME app.
Admittedly, I'm exaggerating -- but only slightly. The multitude of non-fitting UIs in Windows is getting annoying. One of the things I like about OS X is that the users are so rabid about integration most developers actually make an effort to make their native app look native*. The same goes for Linux, but there it's because people keep submitting GUI patches until the programmer submits to peer pressure.
* Of course the iTunes UI team is a special case. The iTunes UI team is special in many ways.
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Maybe Apple did QA it properly.
THink of the bad press for MS this heaps ontop of Vista. What are people going to remember? iTunes crashes Vista? Or Vista crashes when you plugin an iPod?
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
I trust you entirely on the iTunes DRM front, but isn't the Windows Vista DRM integrated with the audio drivers? Or the USB drivers perhaps? If it's part of the USB driver, could that cause issues when a device that functions as a Mass Storage Device is connected? I know I've had issues transferring protected WMA's to other devices, so perhaps the DRM is integrated into the USB system...
Here? (Maybe in a mirror?)
As some of my siblings have mentioned, Itunes installs at least some modules in Kernel mode. So to all probability Apple fucked up. Now look at the functionality that Itunes offers. For everything it does, Windows has an API. It is a normal application, it should be able to run in usermode. Yet some people think it's perfectly okay to have Apple install drivers on their machine. That's why I think the customers carry part of the blame too: they should have known better and used something else.
The Mac Geniuses decided they needed to put something in Kernel space for their POS to take down the OS.
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apple are gonna blame vista, but im using itunes 8, i have my ipod plugged in (im actually listening to music from my ipod, via itunes+pc speakers as i type this) and i didnt see anything that remotly looked like a bsod... so i dont know how it can be vista if some people get it, and some dont.
portfolio
...why does it wait until something is plugged in?
Thats why i have a sansa... Wahh wah...
[...]and the user...
...installed iTunes.
Boot Windows, Linux, and ESX over the network for free.
That SUCKS FAT DONKEY DICK. I thought it was just our resident testing monkeys. Apparently it's an industry wide problem.. Good to know.
So many injustices..so little time..
I bet it's 90% likely that Vista's DRM is messing things up. Still Apple's fault, but come on - Using Vista is like driving a GM car. Lots of people do because it's what's available, but really... is it what you aspire to own?
Note - XP runs ITunes 8 just fine.
IMHO they should have a white screen of death specially reserved for Apple products.
You are obviously new around here.
When the iTouch came out and was jailbreaked Apple released new firmware that blocked the hack.
Go on, scan Slashdot archive about Apple offerings, you will find article after article conveying the frustration of people daring to wish to use a device they paid for as they damn wish.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If the roles were reversed /. would be screaming about MS' anti-competitive behavior.
Or, don't install iTunes on your PC/Mac at all, and install Rockbox on your iPod.
Problem solved.
Homonyms are fun!
You're driving your car, but they're riding their bikes there.
... using music players that use standards drivers that work with Linux.
I am missing both the Windows Vista and iTunes experience. I feel sooo excluded.
When people ask why standards should be followed, this is an excellent point in case.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
IOW. Learn how to be a con artist using this fictional philosophy as a framework.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Audio drivers, yes (the PMP), but that doesn't come into play here. When it comes to USB, if it /is/ there (which I don't know), it'd be in the specific drivers, although it'd make more sense to handle this at the app level when the copy takes place, since the file would be unusable without transferring license info anyway. Regardless, this can't have any effect since the crash is in an Apple driver, as was specified elsewhere in the comments.
Disconnect and self-destruct, one bullet at a time.
Didn't a few revisions of iTunes 7 also cause a lot of problems on Windows? Apple seems to have trouble delivering Windows software recently.
It feels so strange. I keep reading all of these "ZOMG teh crashes!!1one" horror stories about iTunes 8 and Vista, and yet I upgraded to 8 on Tuesday and have had not a single issue with it, my iPod, or my iPhone. AFAICT it even runs a little better than 7 did (granted, purely anecdotal...no testing done whatsoever).
Am I the aberration in this case, or are the vocal minority getting WAY out of hand again?
Hmmm....
Enemy of the Sun
You forgot:
Mac throws an iPod at PC.
PC catches the iPod out of reflex.
PC freezes in place and then falls straight back over.
Linux walks by while munching on a bag of chips, looks down at PC on the floor. "Too bad. Doesn't even play Ogg files, anyways." Linux holds up the bag for Mac which has a PPC logo on it. "Chip?"
Mac waves a hand, "No thanks. Trying to quit."
If it really is Apple's fault for releasing a buggy driver, Microsoft should put out an update that marks the latest iTunes as having compatibility issues with Vista.
Please see this apple knowledge base page: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2280
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Works fine for me. iPod Touch, Vista Ultimate x64, iTunes 8, all very happy with each other.
Had to be said.
Has the jury reached a verdict? Yes, we have. Completely justifiable homicide.
Steve Jobs must be rolling over in his grave.
Have gnu, will travel.
Sorry, folks, but lemme make it clear to myself... So if an application crashes entire OS, then how the heck it can be called "Good OS"? I understand iTunes 8 is a bugware, but in general, is it good operating system that can not withstand stupid software and jail it? I would love see the same thing with Solaris, for example. Or even with the OSX. It sounds to me more like a security problem, because you can write stupid C/C++ program that crashes your Vista machine, put it somehow somewhere (different topic though) and then trigger when it is "needed"... Am I am missing something?..
(Remember, that's the HOT CHICK Linux [from the Novel spoofs] sauntering by...)
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Pick your poison...
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
iTunes 8 isn't just a problem on Vista, it's buggy on Mac OS X too.
They pushed this thing out without real testing and spent way too much time on bullshit features like album covert art display and "Genius" up-sell feature.
How about making it rock solid to sync with iPods and iPhones -- you know, the main purpose behind iTunes in the first place. They keep grafting on eye-candy, but I think the architecture is starting to show its age.
Fact is, they should require a brand new iTunes with every new iPod. They should be using some plug-in mechanism to support new iPods. Come on. Of course, it wasn't designed with real extensibility in mind.
Apple needs to rewrite iTunes so that we don't have to always wait for N.0.1 release to fix all the nasty bugs they decided to ship with. Apple should be embarrassed over iTunes 8.
Ive heard that people use Rockbox because it lets the iPod play more formats?
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Well since Apple doesn't do real updates to their software (only downloading the whole thing again), I uninstalled iTunes 7, rebooted, and THEN installed iTunes 8. Then I uninstalled Bonjour, Apple Software Update, and Apple mobile service. Had to click off a message box bitching that Bonjour wasn't installed properly but that's about it. Haven't seen any blue screens, just some screen corruption to some text once or twice. That's about it. No crashes or bluescreens for my 5G iPod.
What I do want them to fix is adding support for even LARGER text sizes in the program. I have a 24" monitor and have to lean forward to read user comments, tv show descriptions... ect. Any way I can fix that?
Here : http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1502
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If the x86 OS crashes because of an errand device driver it's still an OS bug. It wasn't in the 70th an 80th but it is today. Because x86 from from 386 onwards offer 4 level of hardware protection and it is a design bug if an OS running on x386 is using only two of them.
One should have placed device driver into Ring 1 - then they could not blue screen the system
This a joke - why should people need to install a (bloated) program just to copy files to an MP3 player?
There's plenty of players out there that simply implement the USB Mass Storage Device protocol and thus look like a plain old USB flash disk: plug it in to the USB port on a Mac, Windows or Linux machine (even XBox360 and PSP3) and just copy files to and from the player.
Instead with the iPod we get the privilege of installing the iTunes bloatware and can't even copy files out from the player.
But hey, it's Apple .... uuuh, shinny
iTunes 7 was big enough, what with Bonjour, Apple service, QuickTime etc all being loaded quietly in the background.
As far as I'm concerned, Apple have fucked up iTunes too much now; these drivers that seem completely unnecessary, MobileMe, AND the above? System stability & performance on your machine come second to Apple controlling it's ecosystem exactly how it wants to apparently.
Apple seems to think it has the right to load anything it wants onto my system, and worse, without even telling me, and for me they've crossed the line.
throw new NoSignatureException();
Genius doesn't like my canadian music. He has no suggestions for Dust Rhinos, Great Big Sea or Blue Rodeo....... But the vista-itunes 8 combo worked fine for me.
It's a marketing ploy! Simple really - they update iTunes, which crashes Vista and then they release another commercial showing how unstable Vista is!
I hate apple, expect them to blame Microsoft for them making a program that can't run on PC's.
The lack of hardware in-process component isolation coupled with the non-safety of C/C++ can make operating systems like crash...
Seriously dude... I'm an Amiga guy from way back in the day; I owned a 2000, a 3000, and a 4000, all bought new from C=. I was a CATS member. I still have a copy of the ROM kernal manual lying around here somewhere. My Amiga credentials are pretty solid, OK.
Apple didn't copy Commodore; if anything, it was the other way around... and even then, "copy" is way too harsh a word. "Inspire" is probably better.
The Mac's hardware design was always odd, and inferior to the Amiga (not for nothing could an Amiga 4000/040 emulate a Mac in software faster than the Mac itself ran natively) but when it came to look and feel and genral UI-ness, Apple was always far superior. Even the add-on packages for Workbench (MUI and that other one) couldn't make up the difference.
I did web development in 1995/1996 using an Amiga 4000. All the programming was done on the native Amiga, but the web browser was Netscape for Mac emulated using Shapeshifter.
Amiga hardware with Mac UI would have made for a killer machine.
DG
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I had this start on my XP machine over a year ago. If I plugged in my iPod and started iTunes the system would do a core dump and blue screen. Interestingly, the core dump was detected by Norton's and Avast as a virus.
This is happening because of the Bon Jour service... i tried uninstalling after encountering similar problem on my Vista.. I was able to uninstall Apple updater, ITunes and Quick time player without issues but when i tried to uninstall the Bon Jour, the blue screen of death struck again... I really hate the Bon Jour.. earlier in my XP machine, it was twice effected by viruses. its one crappy piece of s/w
I'm not an Apple hater...I like my Apple workstation a lot, and prefer to use it when possible, but ITunes sucks even on OSX. Slow, memory hog, forces file conversions on me (and quite often doesn't make the conversion correctly, so I have to deal with broken song files).
My wife got an IPod as a gift, and I can't WAIT till the POS dies. It locks up daily, runs its battery down when shut of, and doesn't disconnect from Itunes correctly. I had a RIO Karma, arguably the biggest POS mp3 player of all time, that I had less trouble with.
Now I have to worry about Itunes sneaking in an update and blue screening her computer. Great.
Note to Apple: If you keep fucking up like this, you're going to be enjoying another decade of declining market share. Pretty design means nothing if your crap is breaking all the time.
For me, my iPod and iTunes 8 are working fine with Vista... on Boot Camp.
Asinine, but then again Apple doesn't follow Windows UI guidelines either.
Does Microsoft follow Windows UI guidelines.. wait, are there are any Windows UI guidelines?
must be lucky i installed it last night on my pc running vista and had no issues everything worked fine for mehttp://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=961419&op=reply&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=
User "sambeckett" should know better and just have Al ping Ziggy for a resolution to the matter.