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Steve Jobs Had a Liver Transplant Two Months Ago
evw writes "The Wall Street Journal reports that Steve Jobs had a liver transplant two months ago (subscription required, alternative coverage is available based on the WSJ's report). He is on track to return to work at the end of June. 'William Hawkins, a doctor specializing in pancreatic and gastrointestinal surgery at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., said that the type of slow-growing pancreatic tumor Mr. Jobs had will commonly metastasize in another organ during a patient's lifetime, and that the organ is usually the liver. ... Having the procedure done in Tennessee makes sense because its list of patients waiting for transplants is shorter than in many other states.' There are no residency requirements for transplants."
did he pay to jump to the head of the line? Rich bastard.
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for a recovery. My Dad's liver transplant had him out for almost 6 months. In fact, right after his surgery, he was in isolation for 30 days, then in ICU for another 30. I'd be real suprised if he actually was able to "return to work" this month. Even "part time," physical therapy and all the tweaking they need to do with the medications (anti rejection, etc.) to get his chemical balances back is a big thing.
I wish him well... my Dad was able to go to Oshkosh (AirVenture) with me 1 year after his surgery. A trip I will never forget.
Bill
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I stand by the AIDS infection theory since allegedly Job was caught kissing a man in public. Maybe they were demonstrating the new mouth docking system to charge up the new upcoming iPhone and iPod.
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While I dislike their general philospohy towards their users and products but I think they provide an important counterpoint to Microsoft. Steve Jobs for better or worse is the guiding light for Apple. I'm sure more than just Apple's investors and employees are hoping he comes back strong and sticks around for a good long time.
All the best Steve and good luck beating that thing you've got.
I'll meet you at the intersection of "Should be" and "Reality"
Livers belong to the PEOPLE and one person should not be allowed to hoard them even if he is a wealthy fashion executive like Steve Gates. Is this a Democracy or a theocracy,???!?!?!!
Mmm, delicious copypasta.
Oddly enough? The captcha is "congress".
Aren't we supposed to care about the technical side of things and his ideas, but by no means about his private life?
I guess we in Tennessee don't ruin our liver as often as other folk!
Unless Jobsy himself has told you this, I'm pretty sure that running this article either violates HIPPA, or is simply full of lies...
Where did the information about a transplant come from? I hope the source was verified, and re-verified, and then re-verified again. Remember when CNN posted that Jobs had had a heart attack, but it simply turned out to be "citizen journalism" gone horribly, horribly wrong? Gotta be careful with this crap.
Either way, all the best to The Steve.
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I guess he did it two months ago cause in a few months, there will be line ups, no money and little interest for most Doctors (Excluding Dr. Nick) to perform the transplant in the US, after Obamaication.
Dr. Nick is the poster child for the Health Care Obama wants to bring in to the US.
After Obamaication there might only be cartoon Doctors like Dr. Nick who wants to perform any medical service in the US.
I know nobody has exact numbers but wish Mr. Jobs well. I wonder how much it cost though. Is the cost of such a procedure high to the extent that it would force an average family into bankruptcy? If bankruptcy is indeed a realistic possibility then I support some sort of government involvement in health care.
Last I read, the cancer hadn't metastatized and was removed without chemo etc. Okay, fair enough, that's pretty unusual but I guess they caught it early. Can someone explain to me why they would give him a liver transplant now? I mean, having a liver transplant introduces a whole lot of health risks, and as far as I know unless his previous liver had already developed the metastatic cancer, they shouldn't replace it - wouldn't that just be throwing away a perfectly good liver, and then putting another one in, only to have it develop tumours in a few years? The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the cancer is worse than they're letting on.
I mean, usually you can't upgrade the components in Apple stuff very easily.
In all seriousness, though, I wish him well. Sounds like an unpleasant ordeal.
that the liver transplant wait times are not that long...
..what happens there if you aren't insured for this treatment / not very rich? Are you just left to die?
But it's nice to see Slashdot becoming honest about it.
Why didn't he try that stem cell therapy, or any newer technology where they grow your organ using your own cells??? Seriously, he's that rich that he could literally invest a huge chunk of change into it, and their 1st customer would be him! Apple...think different?
i couldn't be arsed to rebuild all the links.
perhaps you'd care to direct me to the properly formatted version for some more yummy copypasta?
When I read the summary, it came across as having a transplant requires a subscription.
The Wall Street Journal articles have problems with lack of attribution and stated lack of verification of this info. If the story true (and I think it probably is), the authors of the articles need to elaborate.
Immediately after the article was posted on their site, I wrote the writers and editors the following email:
Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 01:23
Subject: Questionable standards for reporting by Wall Street Journal journalists Kane, Lublin, and Meckler
To: Yukari Iwatani Kane , "Joann S. Lublin" , Laura Meckler
Cc: "Robert J. Thomson" , New York Times News Department
Dear Journalists of The Wall Street Journal,
The two articles referred to below, published June 20, 2009 on the website of The Wall Street Journal, state controversially without attribution that Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs received a liver transplant in Tennessee approximately two months ago:
Reported June 20, 2009 by Yukari Iwatani Kane and Joann S. Lublin, "Jobs Had Liver Transplant",
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124546193182433491.html
Reported June 20, 2009 by Laura Meckler, "Jobs's Transplant Highlights Differing Wait Times",
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124546226305633529.html
As journalists you are expected to seek reliable sources and to accompany reports of controversial facts with attribution. However, as Yukari Iwatani Kane and Joann S. Lublin state in the first article, "The specifics of Mr. Jobs's surgery couldn't be established." They further state explicit lack of verification of Job's putative surgery by spokespeople for each of the three hospitals in Tennessee designated as liver-transplant centers.
As of ten minutes ago I could find only the following two other online articles reporting on this topic. As their sources these articles cite only The Wall Street Journal, and at that as a secondary source:
Reported June 19, 2009 by MG Siegler, "Not Only Was Steve Jobs Sick. He Had A Liver Transplant",
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/19/not-only-was-steve-jobs-sick-he-had-a-liver-transplant/
Reported June 19, 2009 by Peter Kavka, "Report: Steve Jobs Is Recovering From Liver Transplant, Still Coming Back to Apple",
http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090619/report-steve-jobs-is-recovering-from-liver-transplant-still-coming-back-to-apple/
Do you have primary sources of this information? Have you checked and cross checked this information? If you have evidence, have you validated its authenticity? Do you have corroboration?
If so, please elaborate in your articles.
In today's news world, the big news is that we hear about it only now and not two months ago.
Would be ironic if the donor was a Visual Studio coder.
I am beginning to see the metaphor here whereby Steve Jobs is the modern day Prometheus who climbs the roof of the Apple Campus every night and the Eagle of Usability descends from the sky to feast on chunks of his liver.
Surely suppressing the immune system for stopping transplant rejection = massive increase in cancer aggressiveness!
If this is true, then either steve's doctors are crazy, or the WSJ are telling porkies!
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now they'll sell his old liver at half the price on the apple store
you are GUESSING that, just like you said.
just like how americans run away to canada.
and therefore churchill quote is totally inappropriate.
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Jurily, please quit trolling. We don't appreciate it.
This story was posted days ago. And here's the kicker:
A little bit of a priority issue, eh? Story found here
Canada. Biggest trade partner of canada is u.s. u.s. senators try to push ALL laws they pass in usa to canada. like acta etc.
britain. another country which has u.s. as one of its biggest trade partners, not only that, but also adopts many political lines of u.s. internationally, leave aside a lot of domestic stuff.
BOTH fail in regard to socialized healthcare.
yet france, denmark, scandinavia etc A LOT OF EUROPEAN COUNTRIES manage to pull it off VERY well.
so its not the failure of the system then. maybe its a failure of dickheads who are yelling 'socialism boooo ! it will suck our souls dry'.
there are NO systems on the face of earth that just delivers what is expected by itself. for anything to succeed, YOU NEED TO PROPERLY RUN IT. that includes your water closet and even your butt, leave aside social mechanisms.
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What if the best medical care possible is very, very expensive? Like, for a sci-fi example, a drug made from atoms of antimatter trapped inside buckyballs. The buckyballs are tagged with proteins to stick to cancer cells, then an electromagnetic pulse cracks them open, releases the antimatter, and POOF - no more cancer.
Suppose that making the antimatter requires a $5 billion dollar facility that needs $100 million dollars of energy to make enough for one patient. There's not enough money, energy, or scientists on Earth to make enough to treat everybody with cancer.
Should we deny a billionaire cancer patient the freedom to buy his own dose from a multibillion pharmaceutical company that invested in such a facility for the small but profitable segment of the population that can afford such a drug?
can we get socialized justice?
because while I have no problem with people buying the best medical care they can I do have one where they can buy innocence or buy off the sentence they deserve.
Regardless, I still am against having other people being forced to pay for my routine medical care. Paying for catastrophic should first be my concern as well but I can see where a medical system setup where catastrophic could be public funded provided it doesn't excuse the person receiving it from making a best effort.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
Well if you want to be technical a bone morrow transplant is a form of stem cell therapy and is used to treat cancers like leukemia and renal cell carcinoma. Unfortunately it's one of the most dangerous procedures a doctor can do to you. (To give some context my dad was dying from RCC a couple years back and I saw that an experimental bone marrow transplant might cure him. Probability of cure was about 20%. Probability of it just killing him in 2 weeks was also about 20%.)Yes I realize those percentages might be a bit higher since people getting them are literally deathly ill but double digit death rates are really damn high.
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.....was finding a viable liver in Tennessee.
Organ transplants are, with a few exceptions, usually contraindicated in cancer patients - especially when the cause of the failure of the organ is metastasis. But I guess if you're Steve Jobs, money truly CAN buy anything. The rest of us mortals however would be allowed to die quicker.
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Think about this: if a public hospital allows a person to stay only for a few days after a surgery, why shouldn't a person with means be able to leave that place and go to a private hospital that does not depend on the public resources and stay there for any amount of time that it takes this person to recover fully or until he even simply feels like it as long as he pays?
This is allowed in Canada (I live in Ontario).
The main rule about health care in Canada is this: you cannot "double-dip". You either receive payments from the government (which in Canada's single-payer system are the provincial governments), or you receive payments from private parties, you cannot mix and match. Once you choose to join the provincial payment system you have to do all your billing that way. Each province handles the billing and payments, and there are generally agreements between the provinces, so you can use your Ontario health card in BC for payments, and the two provinces will work out payments between themselves.
All doctor offices are basically private businesses, and there are private clinics that do X-rays, MRIs, CT scan, etc. (in addition to public institutions who offer these services). So we have private businesses in the Canadian system, it's just we (generally speaking) have only one payer (the provincial government), so prices are set (after being negotiated).
The fact that there's only a single payer cuts overhead costs a lot since there's basically no billing paperwork, so a doctor (and hospitals, clinics, etc.) doesn't need a back-end staff to handle it.
Now, it's perfectly legal for you to have supplemental insurance if you want, but there are only certain places that have chosen to opt out of the public single-payer system. So if you have the means to pay for surgery at a "better" private hospital you can. If you want to have your surgery at public hospital, and then be transferred to a private one, you can as well.
Most people don't know these things because the public system is generally "good enough" (even if wait times can be a bit long) so they don't go looking at these details, and also because 95% of the population don't have the money to do these things so it's a moot point.
How is it even legal to prevent a professional to provide his/her services for the best payment if he wants that extra money?
When I joined by current employer my contract stated that I couldn't work for someone else (without first getting permission at least). If you receive payments from the government, you agree not to get payments from anywhere else. If you don't like it, don't sign up with them.
Now the system isn't perfect, but one thing I think should be avoided at all costs is something like the US system. If Canada is going to change, we should look at France or Germany or perhaps Switzerland. The US system is one giant cluster fuck.
Of-course there is a larger problem with government subsidizing any education system - it drives the education costs up, because universities know that government is there to provide loans, so whatever the costs of education are, anyone can just get this 'mortgage' to pay for it, so there is no incentive to make education any cheaper.
And that's why the "international tuition" fee for a high-end education like McGill or University of Toronto is $30,000 per year, but Harvard's or Standford's normal fee is something like $50,000? There are many reports of Americans coming to Canada to receive an "Ivey league" education because even the full price in Canada is cheaper than the price in the US.
he'd probably have made a fortune selling the old one on eBay.
please restate bitrate in libraries of congress per hour.
... to see how many people can't grasp the concept of human rights.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Come on, everybody knows the free market religion being hyped for a generation now its not insightful for hardly anybody to repeat the mantra again.
I could argue but I've found it about as pointless as debating the existence of god to a believer.
It IS legal if that is the law of the land in which you live. If greed is the motive, then don't enter a market with a ceiling lower than your ambition.
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Let's just leave the guy alone, there is no need to be gawking all over him as if he was a pregnant Brittney Spears.
I see this guy in morgue yesterday
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...is thick in the air this afternoon.
The piles of the stuff are everywhere, too.
Watch your step, ladies and gentlemen, lest you inadvertantly step in their disgusting filth.
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Learn to read, Troll. He said _same_. Where did he even imply "well ahead" of others in line?
First, you need to have good medical care and good insurance. If your doctor has been carefully monitoring your liver with CT scans every six months because he realizes you're at risk (perhaps because you have Hep B), you will have a good chance at early detection of liver cancer. If you have no such proactive care, good luck!
Next, your doctor has to present you the option, you have to recognize its urgency, and you have to ask for the transplant, aggressively. If your doctor says, "This is not yet urgent", or "We can wait and monitor this", or if you say, "Can we just wait and see?", it might be too late by the time you recognize the danger (much like climate change and peak oil). That's because...
It takes 6 months to process a liver transplant application, then months to years to actually receive the transplant.
The application process has two parts: medical evaluation and financial means. The medical evaluation is a comprehensive evaluation to determine that you're a good candidate for transplant, that the cancer has not spread beyond the liver, and that you're psychologically fit for the transplant. The financial means evaluation... well, if you don't have the financial means, you do NOT get listed on the transplant list. Period. The only way to get a liver transplant without financial means is if you're an emergency case with sudden liver failure. Oh, you also need to have a designated caregiver who commits to taking time off work to take care if you, if/when necessary.
Once the application process starts, it can take 5 months to actually get on the transplant list. If the winter holidays occur fall in this time period, make that 6 months. If they accidentally list you on the non-cancer waiting list (with lower priority than the cancer waiting list), it might be another month (total 7 months) by the time somebody catches this mistake and it gets corrected. Most likely it will be YOU who catches the mistake, because nobody else is paying attention. If YOU fail to catch this error, the patient may be on the wrong (lower priority) waiting list indefinitely.
Once you're listed, it could take weeks to years to get the transplant. For non-cancer patients, the priority is determined strictly by a function of three blood test results: bilirubin, creatinine, and INR. As these levels go up, you develop ascites (fluid in abdomen), encephalopathy (cloudy mind), and then it gets worse. The problem is, you typically lose weight as you get sicker, and as you lose weight, the creatinine level goes DOWN, so your priority gets lower, initially! If you're lucky enough to be in Oregon or Florida, with no motorcycle helmet laws, you might get your transplant in a few months. If you're in Southern California or New York, you might be waiting a year or longer, progress to extreme illness and hospitalization, and be on the verge of death before getting the transplant. These are the patients who take 6 months to recover from the transplant. Often it takes days to weeks for the transplanted liver to start functioning. These patient have been IV fed for so long that the digestive tract is initially dysfunctional. They have to start with limited plain-cracker diets. Because their gut microbes have been ravaged, their gastric emissions are horrendous foul smelling.
If you're a liver cancer patient (like Jobs) the good thing is, you'll probably get your transplant sooner than the non-cancer patients, because liver cancer transplant priority goes up strictly by time on waiting list. "Sooner" is relative to when you got listed. If you trusted your Kaiser doctor and didn't sense any urgency, you probably didn't apply for the transplant until it was almost too late (there are limits are tumor size for transplant). If you are well-informed and proactively asked for a transplant application, you might get your transplant before you start to feel any symptoms of a dysfunctional liver. This is probably wha
I agree. In my opinion, Apple and Steve Jobs have established that they can lie to shareholders and everyone.
The 3-6 month recovery period applies to non-cancer liver transplant recipients in long-wait areas like California and New York. In these areas, the wait list is so long that you have to be extremely sick before getting a transplant. You're probably mentally incoherent because of encepalopathy and your digestive system is probably dysfunctional because you've been tube fed. You're probably hospitalized. When these patients finally get their transplants, it can take days to weeks for the transplanted liver to start functioning, and months to be in a physical state resembling normal.
This was NOT Steve Jobs case.
Jobs had liver cancer and probably caught it at the earliest possible opportunity, since he had reason to expect the possibility. He obviously did his research to figure out which area had the shortest wait time and good care (Tennessee). He probably got the transplant before his bodily functions started failing. Thus, he probably recovered from the transplant very quickly. It's very plausible that he got his transplant only two months ago.
For more details, see my comment elsewhere in this discussion.
- The liver would be soldered to Steve's heart.
- You would have to send Steve to God to get his liver replaced.
- The new liver would cost around 50% of what it would cost to buy a new Steve.
But to be fair to your comment, I do see myself as Jobs' natural spiritual successor at Apple. Is that so wrong?
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Who do you think was the first person to buy the "I Am Rich" iPhone app?
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The debate surrounding TFA points up something that is becoming increasingly apparent. The rich will enjoy significantly more lifespan than the poor or even the middle class. Now this has basically always been somewhat true on average. Aristocrats always enjoyed health advantages over their tenants since the beginning of history. However, we are talking ten or twenty percent more life in this case. But with advances going the way they are the wealthy, and even the comfortably well off, could live almost twice as long as the majority of people. Think of the advantage this in turn gives them in terms of gathering and maintaining even more wealth. One could always envy the rich historically, but it was the rare person who got much more than the three score and ten. That has changed, and things are teed up for it to change far more drastically in the next twenty years. Life is the ultimate coin. There is bound to be real social upheaval unless we level the playing field. Until then... I suggest you cut back on a few extras and get the high option plan.
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So he'll be back at the next ADC wanking us all about how great Apple's new zero-button, no-screen laptop is?
Jobs: "Look folks! It's just a razor-thin sheet of aluminum! It doesn't get much simpler or more elegant than that."
Audience member: "Uh, that IS just a razor-thin sheet of aluminum. In fact, it looks like you just unrolled and flattened a soda can."
Jobs: *whistles and walks away*
Hasn't the SEC already been upset with the little information that Apple has released about Jobs's health?
If there ever was any meat to those allegations, then surely having a liver transplant matters even more so. Seems like something that the company needs to disclose in a timely manner, preferably before the operation.
As much as he might disagree, he's not a private individual. he holds the fortunes of countless thousands of people in his hands. it matters.
I really, really hate CEO worship, because, most of the time, it's crap. Any old guy could run most companies. Jobs, however, seems to be the exception. That's not to say the company will fall apart when he's gone. But I think his departure (either from the company or the planet), will surely have an effect on that company more than almost any other CEO departure I can think of.
That's why we ended up with humongous debts and deficits! Right, who does not want good health care, education, housing, retirement, and high-speed internet? They are all human rights and everyone deserves the rights. Let there be Rights! Paying the bills, however, is not a human right.
...and better health, diet, and educational conditions produce more invested members of society. Let's focus on what we can do to help those now in need, while providing for a future where there won't be so many people lost and hopeless.
Unless your plan is to nuke all the MLK Drives in the world.
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deal with all the poison in the Koolaid
He's already 2/3 done. I suppose Applecare is available.
and those same changes can generate new proteins your immune system can infact recognize those new proteins as "not self" and attack cells expressing those new proteins. (So yes, your immune system can fight cancer. Actually renal cell carcinoma is one where there is quite a bit of research using the immunological based treatments.)
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Maybe he should have laid off the LSD and he wouldn't be in this mess.
Good for him (and his "hormone imbalance"), but who really cares? SJ is not the ipod, nor the iphone, nor the macbook. Etc. These brands will easily outlive him.
(founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
> Having the procedure done in Tennessee makes sense because its list of patients waiting for transplants
I'm looking forward to Jobs return at AGM's complete with a straw hat, braces and strumming a banjo. Jeff Foxworthy can be new iPod spokesman. 'Oh and one more thing' will be replaced with 'any one you critters move to dat door get a load of buckshot in yet ass'
Donate your organs, so that some rich asshole can cut in line and get your organs ahead of others. After all, it's their "right". I wonder how the donors would feel, knowing that they just saved a money grubbing asshole. Such a system, that honors wealth, is enough to make me not want to donate at all.
Just a reminder, people, that these organs are DONATED, not SOLD. The idea that some piece of shit can cut in line because he has more money is perverted beyond belief.
And, a reminder, to those who think that socialized medicine won't work. If you love capitalism so much, then why don't you start a for-profit fire department, or a for-profit police department. Tell me how wonderfully it's working once you get it set up and running. "Sorry, Mr. Smith, but because you're not willing to pay the extra 20K for the ultimate fire protection plan, we're going to have wait another 20 minutes before we come to your burning house. What's that? You want an upgrade, ok, great, we take discover or mastercard. Oh, you're inside the building? Well, let me tell you about our save you from a burning building protection plan. That will cost you your first born child, and a lifetime of slavery. Sorry sir, this is the best the market can do, you don't want socialism, do you?"
Steve Job must have got a brand new iLiver
... to see that some people believe that they have a 'right' to require that society provides them with something, with anything really. This is amazing, actually.
You can't handle the truth.
Wonder if they had to hold down Command-Option-P-R as they brought him out of it?
The argument is eloquent and insightful.
sorry.
Please stop posting these lies, we have seen them all before.
Seriously, they are are a bunch of rabid right wingers that have not a single kind word about anybody but their buddies (rich people). Just read Saki's section and you will see where they stand (that individual is a socialite that boasta about how welathy his firends are).
NICE is in the very difficult position of rationing resources, as such some people will be left out, but not for lack of money or insurance, but for verifiable clinical reasons.
It is easy to be cynical when you are not reaching the conclusions needed to use the NHS money more efficiently.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Never ceases to amaze me that people with money seem to have no problem getting organs but people without money seem to die waiting for them...
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Do we know if Steve's liver was a partial or a whole liver transplant, because if it was a partial then it would be better cause he wouldn't have needed to steal someone's dead liver from them.
Maybe he used his iPhone to find an apple fan who wanted to give him 1/2 of their liver. You know the liver can regenerate the other half if it is removed.
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I'm guessing that he took medical leave because an imminent transplant. Probably more like 5 months then. This is merely a technicality and doesnt really matter.