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Some Users Say Win7 Wants To Remove iTunes, Google Toolbar
Foofoobar writes "Due to a strike with the UK's postal system, people in Great Britain are getting copies of Windows 7 early and have already posted their experiences about the install process. Some have an easy time but others post installs taking 3 hours including Windows asking them to remove iTunes and Google toolbar prior to installation." The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.
If you upgrade Windows on top of another installation you are in for a bad time.
iTunes and Google Toolbar are annoyances anyway. If they could permanently get rid of Quicktime, I'd be a happy camper.
Finally, a good idea from microsoft.
Oh, wait, they expect us to muddle along with the windows media player instead. Pot, kettle, frying pan, fire.
Shouldn't an operating system[1] remove all applications before installation?
[1] unless you're setting up dual boot, in which case the apps would be on one of the unaffected partitions.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
First, this obviously applies only to upgrades.
Second, iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack, and it needs to go.
After Win7 is installed you can add it back, and not lose any of your music.
Don't make a big deal out of Microsoft trying to remove the effects of misbehaved software corrupting the install.
There is no issue here.
Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
Given the 2 examples, I'd say it's just asking to get rid of trouble-causing software.
iTunes for Windows is maximum bloatware with questionable value...
Toolbars (from anyone) should never be installed.... (this includes Office Toolbars from Microsoft as well)...
Windows 7 recognizes how bad iTunes is? Even XP can't do that! I'm switching right now... Where'd I put my MSDNAA login?
Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
If they didn't do this we would be reading about how the upgrade breaks competitor's software. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
TFA says Windwos7 asks you to remove some drivers and apps and then successfully re-installs them when done. That's not quite what the summary implies.
"At the end of it, Windows put back the drivers I removed, and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there."
Here's the a quote from the article of a user who found that Windows 7 asked that the user uninstall iTunes:
...and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there.
While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall, it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.
I will note that many users had significant difficulties with using non-Apple software after upgrading to Snow Leopard.
I myself have had significant difficulties using already installed software after upgrading various shared libraries via ports on FreeBSD.
I would suggest that these issues are along the lines of what Microsoft was doing when it asked the user to uninstall iTunes and the Google Toolbar.
The summary is rather misleading about the required removal of iTunes and the Google Toolbar as the article does say that Windows reinstalled them as part of the upgrade process. Let's not try to find a bogeyman where one doesn't exist.
From TFA:
Yep - a disaster in the making.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
Oh my God, Windows actually warns you that some apps you have installed could be incompatible with version 7 and suggests that they be removed. Is there no end to the evil that Redmond does?
That's all sarcasm for you more literal-minded folks...
I've no plans to upgrade to Windows 7 from XP whatsoever but if people are being asked to remove iTunes and Google Toolbar, this implies they are using an "install over the top" upgrade method, rather than "backup, format and install from new".
And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
Speaking of people installing it...when does the beta stop working?
hasnt MS advised on making a clean install? i guess this is a great way to show people that a clean install is named "clean" for a good reason!
Uninstall itunes and google toolbar....add self uninstall followed by installation of you favorite *nix distribution and who here would agree with this practice. In my experience both of those programs are really annoying. (I don't actually have anything against Window's 7, I've never used it)
What a crappy, dishonest summary! I despise MS as much as anyone, but this is too much. Yes, it asked them to remove iTunes, etc., but then it reinstalled them! And everything worked.
No sig? Sigh...
A) Only upgrade installs
B) The 7 installer detects known incompatible software and asks you to uninstall it, making it very clear that it's going to do so.
This is a non-story.
Did the poster even read the article? The summary is longer than the sentence that mentions this.
"The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install," he says. "Which I did, it was some drivers, iTunes and the Google Toolbar." What does the author say about this horrible, horrible thing? "I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced."
That's not sarcasm, that's not some biting commentary at microsoft, that is a user who is content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computer. This is not an article about how microsoft is afraid of competition and squashes even the slightest attempt at competition, this is about how 3 people were relatively happy with their instillations.
The poster picked the single most insignificant statement out of context, and made it their headline. I'm not sure if the poster was being ironic, or trying to troll linux fans into reading a pro-microsoft article, but the summary has almost nothing to do with the article.
The upgrade didn't make you purge your computer of open source software. Windows 7 didn't make you uninstall OO.O, or even Lotus Notes (which really, needs to die). The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor's software, it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.
I mean, as others have pointed out, I guess it is necessary to make sure it installs correctly. And the article itself seems generally positive.
And we have a lot to look forever to. I guess you can say Windows is the Titanic of operating systems, completely unsinkable, and by that, I mean virus proof.
Can I play a bit of devil's advocate? My guess is that the need to remove iTunes and Google toolbar might be related to compatibility issues (i.e., the version that the users have currently not being the "latest" one, or the one "100%" compatible with 7). Without any more concret info, like the version number for iTunes of all the machines involved, if 7 "demands" diferent things with the same version installed, etc, we can't really be sure what's the issue here, and assume it's for the best for the users (not having potentialy incompatible software installed on 7).
Now before someone says "but I've been using iTunes 2.0 with 7 since forever!!", well, I'm just speculating as much as the next guy :) Afterall, this is Slashdot, right? ;)
"A sysadmin is a cross between a detective, a police officer, a gardener, a doctor and a fireman"
An operating system shouldn't need to touch anything but OS components to do an upgrade install.
Device drivers, such as the iPod driver that comes with iTunes, are obviously operating system components. (If you disagree, please explain.) Google Toolbar is a web browser component, and Microsoft calls Internet Explorer part of the operating system.
I'm definitely not a windows fan(or user). I'm totally a Linux guy, but it seams there's no issue here. The only issue I see is /. loosing credibility with this kind of stories. A major version change of operating system should be installed by a clean install and only morons upgrade. It's only natural that in the process of a new installation Windows tries to uninstall shitty software that mess with the core of the system.
Windows has plenty of real issues to bash about without this kind of shit.
If I was some windows user or Fan I would say: "If this is the kind of arguments /. has against windows all the other windows stories must be non-issues also"
First off, there's no legitimate reason iTunes has to use QuickTime for MP3/AAC decoding. There are plenty of other options. If Apple insists on eating their own dogfood, there's no excuse for installing more than is necessary. Installing iTunes doesn't mean I want their stupid, crippled movie player or plugins.
And leave the awful player and browser plugins out.
In fact I am not anywhere near a computer. I am doing everything remotely: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Yep, the windows malware scanner finally works! yay!
eh, I had no problems with the latest versions of both iTunes and Google Desktop (which includes Google Toolbar.)
Maybe they had older versions?
Heck, I had more compatibility issues upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard.
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
For some reason, Apple decided to use their own USB driver; one not exactly known for it's stability, evidently. Yes, Apple would rather risk your system instability than use a standard tried & tested driver to write files to any iPod. That'll be why Windows 7 doesn't like it I expect.
http://www.google.com/search?q=itunes+BSOD
Sometimes I wonder if Apple make PCs crash deliberately to fuel their ad-war
throw new NoSignatureException();
My experience with Windows 9x matches GP's claim. If you had a broken installation and tried to fix it by re-installing without deleting the old installation, it would copy the broken settings and usually work even less than before.
Maybe GP still remembers that time and based his statement on that ;-)
I'm not so sure about newer versions, as I made a habit of doing always clean installs back then. Never tried to "repair-install" W2k or later.
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Users should consider upgrading to x64 of Windows 7. When you upgrade from 32 bit Windows XP and provided your hardware supports it you shuld install 64 bit OS. Yet one more reason not to upgrade. User state migration tool will greatly improve your experience and in the process you can install 64 bit OS. Download it form here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722032(WS.10).aspx
I've never been so angry about a Slashdot story submission before! The article is saying how WELL the windows 7 installation went and the article summary is pretty much a total misquote!
I hated Vista, but Windows 7 is a fantastic operating system and a massive improvement over either Vista or XP and and stupid articles like this just make Slashdot itself look stupid - not Microsoft. I've heard almost no complaints about Win 7 from anyone (not even in the press and very little even on slashdot!) and it's clear that MS have put a hell of a lot of effort into ensuring Windows 7 really does do what people want it to do.
It also highlights how stupid some people are if they think that installing an OS of a totally different version over the top of an old installation is a good idea. Only a complete newbie idiot with minimal knowledge of computers would actually think this is a good idea. That goes for all OSs - not just Windows.
"Microsoft should have accepted a split into OS and applications companies a few years back."
Cause we all need more OS and application incompatibilities.
The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.
Windows refused to install in those cases?
During my testing of Win7 RTM a month ago, I performed an upgrade of Vista Ultimate to Win7 Ultimate. I had to remove iTunes, my Anti-virus software, VMWare Workstation prior to the upgrade. I was however able to reinstall them after the successful upgrade. The upgrade did take about 3 hours though. I also lost all of my Windows Vista Ultimate features, such as Dream Scene and some games that came with Vista Ultimate like Texas Hold'em
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I believe it would mean instant discommendation for any mac user who installs Zune software on his mac.
You probably mean "Owing to a strike ..."
Package the needed libraries as a part of iTunes and no one would care.
The MS haters are running scared right now. Windows 7 seems to be getting extremely favourable press overall, and the public is highly interested in it. Apparently on Amazon UK, Windows 7 preorders are not the highest for any product they've ever sold, a Harry Potter book holding the previous record. http://gizmodo.com/5386553/windows-7-amazon-preorders-beat-even-harry-potter
Thus it isn't a surprise we are seeing zealots step up the FUD machine and try to spin anything they can as Windows 7 being bad. They are worried that people are going to like it and use it and Microsoft will continue to maintain a position of dominance.
Why is the google toolbar even an issue if IE 8 allows you to select google as a browser engine just like you can with Fire Fox now?
I will not install or run win7 until there is a 3rd party alternative or a MS patch that gives me explorer back.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
Oh really? Eye TV 2.x (don't know 3.x), it is self contained .app which you drag to /Applications in mac (pre OS X) fashion. It sits idle there until you launch.
When you launch, it asks for admin uname/password to install "a device driver" (kernel extension). What kind of horrible, evil things may happen right?
Well, guess what? Nothing happens. It is because of the kernel/driver model. OS X doesn't give a heck if the device is not plugged in, it just caches the symbols/plist files coming with the driver to a file. So, if you have a Eye TV driver but you don't have Eye TV, that extension will sit there, forever, ignored by the OS _until_ you plug the device having same USB signature. I think you were expecting some stuff outside /System/Extensions , some registry like files, some hidden files... No man, it is just .kext and HFS+ "bundle bit" magic with clever use of directory watching.
There is no software which will bastardize core drivers of OS X. If you listen to some trouble shooting idiots and downgrade your core OS parts in /System, it is your fault. Nobody is idiot (yet) to do it in automated fashion though. Lets not forget all OS X comes with time Machine now, for free, no "ultimate" etc. crap schemes. Every single OS X user having space on somewhere (USB, network doesn't matter) has hourly backups of changed files including a complete backup of system.
Oh if you were speaking about Unsanity APE, it was designed from the ground so nobody would feel the need of modifying system files for trivial hacks. What happened? Ask the Logitech idiots who shipped awfully outdated version of it which wasn't able to disable itself.
True story: I recently got a new computer and set it up for dual booting Windows/linux. It took me more time and more restarts to get Windows working normally even though the computer actually came with windows preinstalled and i had to instal linux from scratch.
I ran into this. It was telling me that I had to de-authorize my computer in iTunes and uninstall it. I just did the de-authorization and re-enabled it after the upgrade was done. The main ssue I had was that it REQUIRED that Windowblinds be removed. This drove me nuts as I uninstalled it, removed all mention of it in the registry, and deleted every file I could find in relation to it. Even after doing all of this the installer told me I still needed to uninstall Windowblinds. After no help from Stardock, I uninstalled the entire Object Desktop suite. It seems that the My Colors has a bit of Windowblinds built in and needed to be removed. This was a Stardock problem. The systerm skinning is done a bit diffferently in 7. I also had to uninstall Fences. I thought that would be safe to leave on dfor the upgrade. I was wrong. It caused explorer.exe to crash and restart at 10 second intervals. Turned out tha all I needed to do was to uninstall Fences and reinstall it from scratch. It now works perfectly. I am also using the Keyboard Launchpad from Stardock with no problem as well. I hope my nightmare of upgrading helps some of you. I am using 64bit Ultimate. If anyone needs any help feel free to cotact me directly at 'win7help at 2muchh8red dot com'. Good luck, everybody!
Apple no longer sells DRMed AACs. AACs you rip yourself have never had DRM.
I've had it for a week or two now. Just installed it on bare metal yesterday (as opposed to a VM).
Apparently MSDN Academic Alliance gets it just as early.
My biggest issue is: eight gigs? Really?
Other than that, it does seem to be an improvement over XP, so far. And fresh installs are almost always better than upgrades.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
If they opened up the iPod communication protocols, none of this would be an issue. They could Mac up the Windows port of iTunes to their heart's content and it wouldn't matter, if people had the option to just choose something else.
If there were viable alternatives, but for the most part there aren't. In large part because Apple uses iTunes to hold people's music collections hostage.
Hah! And they say that Microsoft can't do anything right!
And what is still out there is continually dwindling, because manufacturers are prevented from making themselves compatible with what people already have, and the plebs are frightened by the idea of switching.
I never had this problem on my GNU/Linux system. Nor have I ever heard anyone about this issue on Mac OSX.
Try upgrading a Ubuntu 8.04 install to 9.04 or 9.10 on a Fujitsu S7110 laptop. Forget about pretty compbiz fireworks, wireless networking, and external monitor support without driver headaches post upgrade. I'm cool with it though. It's hard to expect more than MS is capable of doing on a $400 platform when linux is free...
As for MacOS. Snow leopard is notorious for problems with upgrades and costs at least as much as Windows when you consider the hardware premium. My boss (6 month old macbook pro) AND a friend of mine (1 year old macbook) ran into the "bricking" problem after upgrading to snow leopard(there is mention in this article):
http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gripes.html
What I really don't like is how Apple will never never never ever ever admit that a problem exists, instead they insist that users are installing "unsupported software" or running with "corrupted files" blah blah blah. My roommate loves Apple and argues with me about this sometimes but I just think of Apple like any other PC/OS vendor, I'm not trying to pick on them (or any other vendor) they just aren't as good as a fanboys and "geniuses" will tell you (like any vendor's fanboys and sales people). And interestingly my roommate has yet to attempt the upgrade on his 1 1/2 year old macbook pro...
iTunes has a Webkit dependency, so install Webkit, but why Safari as well.
Because it doesn't hurt. Compare to Internet Explorer: once the user had installed MSHTML 6 (by installing Windows), IE 6 was a 100 KB wrapper around that.
So VLC is dependent on ffmpeg (libavcodec), so just install that, you wouldn't install mplayer, which uses the same library to satisfy that dependency.
No, but if you install Avidemux to edit video, you can install an FFmpeg-based player (e.g. VLC or mplayer) at very little disk space cost because you've already "paid" for FFmpeg by installing Avidemux. It's like installing KDE apps into Ubuntu or GNOME apps into Kubuntu: once you've installed one, there's less of a barrier to installing more because you already have the libraries as a sunk cost.
The only thing keeping me from getting a copy of Win 7 is cost. If I'm going to do the install it would be with Win 7 Professional at a minimum which I think is retailing for ~$140-$190 right now. That's a lot of scratch.
You won't be able to with newer ones.
I think you meant "Microsoft follows their secret API's and unpublished guidelines", didn't you?
I upgrade over my existing OSX install (not a clean install). Never had a problem, and we have 5 machines at home. But I also don't update immediately and wait to hear if there are any major apps that need an update. I see in another note someone with SVN client failing and upon searching I did see at least one vendor with a problem with certain versions of the client but on their support board they had an older version that worked and then the created a new version in a couple days of the complaint. And this is what I find as well, the developers get pre-releases of the next OS to see if there are any problems and provide updates around the OS release date.
It's not iTunes that does this. iTunes licensed Gear's ASPI drivers for burning support within Windows. The Gear drivers are Microsoft XP and Vista signed drivers that strictly adhere to Microsoft's rules. On a clean install of XP or Vista, iTunes and the Gear ASPI drivers work 100% of the time. However, many other programs that implement CD-burning without signed drivers can cause the Gear ASPI drivers to break.
Upgraded my Dell Inspiron 1720 with no trouble. It did take 3 hours, and advised me I needed to upgrade my BIOS beforehand, but other than the time it worked fine, and even fixed a problem I had with Visio reinstalling each time I used it. My generic desktop had a clean install that was much faster.
Having said all that it is no reason to buy W7. I got it for free via a company MSDN subscription. It really doesn't seem to offer enough over windows XP to warrant an upgrade. It is supposed to be more secure but at the end of the day it is only as good as the person using the system, and I always prefer network security to software firewalls anyway (although there is nothing wrong with defence in depth).
http://windows7sins.org/
They make some good points.
All I see is a bunch of speculation and a whole lot of lack of empircal data in the majority of these posts. Have you installed Win 7 yet? I have, I'm one of those goofballs that got the House Party kit with the Steve Ballmer signed Win 7 Ultimate copy (they should have put a sound chip in it like those greeting cards that played DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, *SCREAM* when I opened it). As an experiment, I decided to do an upgrade install from Vista Home Premium instead of a clean install just to see what would happen. Guess what? It went flawlessly (although it took about 3 hours). Did it ask me to deauthorize iTunes? Yep. Did it tell me I should uninstall it? Nope. I can't comment on the Google toolbar as I don't have it installed. My Win 7 isn't some downloaded copy, RC, beta or whatever, this is the real deal so this should end the speculation on what an actual retail copy will do in this situation. It also broke NONE of the software on my machine, no broken codecs, no non-working hardware, nothing (and believe me, I've got a lot of stuff on it). The one single issue I had from the upgrade was HP not providing updated MediaSmart Menu software on their website at the time (the software still worked, just not the on-screen menu). The updated software was posted to their website a few days later, over a week before Oct 22nd, problem solved. I've got a long history with FreeBSD, I've got a long history with Windows, I've got a long history with Linux. They've ALL been an upgrade nightmare at times so let's not point that finger. A clean install is likely a better choice than an upgrade but sometimes it's just not feasible so the guy in one of the previous posts saying people who do upgrade installs shouldn't be allowed near computers is just not living in the real world.
This is a non-story followed by a bunch of speculative comments by a bunch of currently-non-users of Win 7.
p.s. I think the story might be incorrect in regards to iTunes, I know a few people who've done upgrade installs and in every single case iTunes was recommended to be de-authorized, not uninstalled.
This actually makes alot of sense considering what Microsoft started with Vista. For example, Sp1 wouldnt show up under Windows Update under Vista unless all drivers were updated to the latest certified versions. Even if you attempted to install it yourself through the forced IT Pro download it'd disable old, known to bork drivers (and yes, this did happen with a few wireless and audio drivers) but it'd then attempt to snag the latest driver on restart.
Since iTunes in my experience has caused a shit ton of issues with disabling CD/DVD drives (very, very common actually) as well as a significant amount of USB related issues Im not suprised that they're asking you to uninstall it upon an upgrade. Granted, there shouldnt be any serious issues going from Vista to Win7 but better safe than sorry. Considering that just about every Apple app seems to suck on Windows or cause serious issues down the line, Im happier too with the machines I have to support to just see iTunes die in a fire. Ahem. Anyways.
Googles toolbar seems stranger to block however do all versions of the toolbar install the updater or check for updates regularly? Honestly dont know so cant say either way but it wouldnt suprise me if most copies of the toolbar are older and cause issues with IE8 (which comes on Win7 but not Vista) vs. IE7. Hell, most older toolbars cause issues with IE8. Thankfully, Microsoft seems to be getting better at proactively blocking/alerting you to bad toolbars but you still run into alot of really ODD issues that can be fixed by disabling all toolbars and adding back until you find the one, random ass toolbar or addin thats causing crashes
This reminded me of something that has been puzzling me for weeks now since installing Windows 7... No matter how many times I click on iTunes from Start > All Programs it WILL NOT show up in the Start menu's main list of most commonly used programs. Its a constant reminder of M$'s evil ways as it takes several clicks to open iTunes...
This might seem ridicules, but I don't see why a company like microsoft should include software that isn't theirs, .. to begin with, I wouldn't want google tool bar to be installed, neither itunes, .. I wouldn't want a microsoft replacement either, I just don't want any junk to be installed on my system. Why should I install stuff that I'm not using. I am able to type google.com in my browser and go to itunes if I need it.
I wouldn't want any advertisement of any kind in a system I pay for.
If you try to install iTunes 6 on Vista, Vista whines. If you try to use Netscape 4, the internet doesn't work. This is the same fucking thing. Any version of the Google Toolbar or iTunes >7 works fine on Windows 7. If people can't be bothered to update their software, I don't see how this is a strike against Windows. When you upgrade kernels in Linux you get notified that some software won't work properly. What's the difference? It's not just Google/Apple/Linux apps that get a "this app isn't gonna work dude" warning. I was warned about SMAC, Pharaoh, Fallout 1 and 2 and Civ 4 when I upgraded. Are Firaxis, Sierra, Interplay/Black Isle and 2K Games in direct competition with MS? Fuck off. This headline and the entire gist of the article is just as much baseless FUD as the anti-Linux horse shit that MS puts out.
Keep on knockin'
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Or perhaps you should read about how Windows determines what programs are pinned to the start menu. If you want Recently launched items on your start menu, tell your start menu to add them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foQlFm5px7I
Keep on knockin'
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This is not some buy and sell flea market.
Fuck off with your spam !
If they follow their published API, how come SAMBA had so much trouble?
If they follow their published API, where did all the secret API information that they released after a court demanded it come from? Were MS not using them either?
If MS use their own tools, why does Office have three different renderers for formulae?
"just recently I found a nasty handle leak that resulted in iTunes consuming several thousand handles a day and not releasing them, I managed to get it to just shy of 30,000 within a week."
Most people when they find software that has a memory leak just reboot it from time to time. Why leave it running for so long if it uses up so many resources? Boot it when you need it then shut it down. Its hardly critical infrastructure.
According to an article on the BBC site, the Windows 7 upgrade procedure also advises that Open Office is uninstalled.
Never hear you complain before about IE being the default browser for windows or default (and non-overrideable, last time I checked) behavior of taking over browser defaults when patched.
Why did that not grab your goat?
To bad they don't have a command like where they could just stop the install and warn the user that their computer might explode from having the unsupported software of a competitor installed.
Oh, how I long for the good old days (circa 1994 or so).
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
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For the rest of us, why not just put in the very bare essentials needed for iTunes to work
At what granularity do you determine "bare essentials"? Would stripping WebKit down to "bare essentials" include leaving out support for image formats that the iTunes Store happens not to use at the moment but could start using tomorrow? Or JavaScript methods in the HTML and CSS DOM that the iTunes Store happens not to use at the moment but could start using tomorrow?
How about NOT sticking Bonjour on our systems unless we have requested a feature that actually needs it?
Then you'd have to leave the installer sitting in your downloads folder just in case you need it. Or what do I misunderstand?
iTunes is a piece of Apple bloatware. Even to this day on Vista Ultimate 64 SP2 with the newest iTunes, it still freezes my whole computer anytime it tries to play music. I use it solely to sync my iPod these days.
XP is still the more solid os that MS has ever put out.
Well lets get something straight, the long install times and asking to remove toolbars indicated UPGRADE installations, which at best are spotty and not recommended. If you are doing an upgrade, obviously it will be slower, as it's migrating your files and settings to the new install.
A clean install is quick and painless. I did find that the RC installed quicker than the Signature ultimate, but it was no where close to 3 hours, try less than 1 mostly because of a slow reading optical drive.
My desktop is 64 bit, my laptop is 32 bit.
I ordered Windows 7 Home Premium. I didn't see a 64 bit vs a 32 bit version. Does the one Windows 7 Home Premium support 64 bit and 32 bit?
I do not support "The Man". I also do not support your irrational stupidity
Any application that automatically gets installed if you click through a wizard too quickly should be treated like a virus. iTunes and GoogleToolbar are two such applications. Good for Microsoft. Remove this trash.
While you are right Apple is in it only for the money, they do have the best Consumer Reports quality record ever, for almost a decade running. Any time ZI've ever had a problem it was fixed no questions asked FAST.
I run setup.exe on the DVD and select upgrade. It tells me I can't continue and have to click 'close' because I have to restart to make 'changes', even though it was still in the 'Collecting Information' phase and I wasn't aware it had made any changes at all. This is completely counterintitive, anyway.
So I restart my computer and the first thing that happens is the DVD drive is disabled with 'corrupted' drivers (error code 39 in device manager). I try to boot the DVD from BIOS and it reports to me that since I started installing from within Vista earlier, I can't install directly from the DVD. A system restore proves useless. Of course Microsoft's 'search for a solution' was also useless.
Eventually I make the last resort of searching on google, and of course there's info on the exact same problem (install Windows 7, oops DVD drive broke) on a third party site, dated Jan 2009. You'd think with almost a whole year to fix this ridiculously critical issue that Microsoft would get off their lazy asses, but no. Of course the solution is far too complicated for your average schlub as it involves digging through the registry to delete the fragile UpperFilters and UpperFilters entries, which I recognize as a common solution for trying to fix the rickety, diapildated ASPI stack still failing it up in every Windows since 95.
Microsoft fails again.
Office for Mac is terrible and slow. No VB support, takes 20 seconds to load Word. iTunes sucks on Windows, but it is feature complete and not a sad fucking knockoff like Mac Office.
I installed Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit on my cheapo two-year-old Dell desktop (AMD 3600 x2, 4 GB RAM, GeForce 7300LE) and it is running beautifully. I had to wipe the drive since I had the 32-bit Release Candidate Installed, but that was painless. I just copied my user folder to an external drive, formatted the hard drive, did a clean install and then copied my stuff back. The install only took about 10 minutes! Copying my stuff back and forth was actually the most time-consuming part.
If the upgrade was truly better, it would un-install Windows and install Linux!
I know it's tired, but it's true.
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
I normally get a new hard drive, install a newer OS on it, rotate my other HDs down the line, possibly take out a really old one.
Then all my data is available on the old partition, but I can (hopefully) avoid all the malware and bloatware I've built up over my time since last rotation.
You should be installing this to a clean hard drive. Not upgrading, anyway. Have these people never installed a Windows operating system before?
It asked me to remove Google Toolbar too. The simple solution? I didn't do what it asked. Upgrade still went smoothly. Frankly I don't even remember installing Google Toolbar, though, so I'll be researching just where it came from when I get home.
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(2)We supply all brand shoes, clothing, fashion accessory and electronic products. Sneakers, tshirts, jeans, hats, mobile,MP4
(3)Shipping time: 5-7 working days.
Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8
Assortment :
Payment : T/T, PAYPAL, Money Gram
Shipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED. Which carrier we used just depends on customer? order quantity.
OUR WEBSITE:
YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
HTTP://www.tntshoes.com
People who use iTunes want any new hardware they buy to work with their existing system. They want to plug it in and have it show up in iTunes. Anything else won't due for those people.
Rolling another management program, no matter how good it is, will not do. People want to plug the device in and have it work with what they've already set up. Apple knows this, which is why they're being obstructionist.
At least not without jailbreaking and installing ssh on them.
Current gen iPods use a different communication protocol. The only way to sync them without iTunes involves jailbreaking and ssh, which is obviously well beyond the pleb's capabilities.
But it's useless for new ones.
Can you cite that?
Palm wasn't originally using Apple's Vendor ID. They only started doing so in 1.1 after Apple interfered with their media sync mode.
I installed Windows 7 without any comment about iTunes. I feel like the Google toolbar is redundant in that all browsers have a built-in search bar at the top, so I did not test it. As with any new OS install, I had to re-install iTunes and it installed without a single hiccup.