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Al Gore Invented the Internet!
An anonymous reader sent us a link to a priceless wired article
where you can read about presidential hopeful Al Gore's claims
that
he created the internet.
I for one thank him. Without the hardware he designed, the
protocols he defined, and the software he coded, think where
the internet would be today. Good think he didn't have my
vote, or he woulda lost it.
The people at Cisco call them routers (rowters), so I'm going to call them that too.
- Mike Hughes
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Now that's sarcasm.
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Your honor is perfectly understandishable.
I liked the internet a lot better when nobody else knew about it. fooey.
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Your honor is perfectly understandishable.
Gore was a congressman before 1994 (he was in congress in 1977 according to the article), and he claims he helped the internet in congress. So who was in office is irrelevant to his claims. The claims are still false, of course.
I liked his comment just after that (from the CNN transcript link in the article), "During a quarter century of public service, including most of it long before I came into my current job, ..."
And here I always thought most of his 25 years were the six since '93. Go figure.
Oh yeah, well Intel invented it six hours before MS, and forgot to turn the switch off to take it out of 486 CPUs. So there.
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
I myself don't vote. It only encourages them.
Then you have no right to complain at all about the current elected officials. Stuff it.
I myself don't vote. It only encourages them.
Then you have no right to complain at all about the current elected officials. Stuff it.
The National Review (a conservative political magazine) ran an article entitled Apocalypse Gore which provides an interesting take on him.
I also suggest that you check out How to tell the difference
between Al Gore and the Unabomber.
>At least with Buchanan you might have a president
>who would put a stop to big business importing
>aliens to take away tech jobs.
Well, I guess that would make our government happy...
Over here the problem seems to be to get our people to stay...
Swedes like to think of themselves as international...
It's not hard to be more international than the average american... : )
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Whaddya mean, Al Gore?? Everyone knows that Bill Gates created the Internet!
He knows the vast majority of people will never know the difference, so he's going to take whatever credit he can. He's been doing it quite awhile now. While this latest claim is the boldest one I've seen yet, it's basically business as usual.
"Hawaii is very important to American interests in the Pacific. That's because Hawaii is in the Pacific. Hawaii is an American island in the Pacific." -Speech by Dan Quayle in Honolulu.
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You think we're all stupid? That you can revise history and we'll believe it? You're revisionist tactics won't fool anyone...Everybody knows that Bill G. single-handedly coded everything that makes the 'net go.
You just want to take the credit from MS so they will stop innovating. Stop stifling innovation!
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(Too bad I can't not vote for him)
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Posted by akor:
The guy -- Al Gore -- in spite of all his technobabble, clearly talks out of his ass, and is generally in need of clues. True, this is extremely common among politicians, but is not limited to any political party.
Akor
Posted by akor:
Yes, it IS useful to know the facts.
Even leaving aside the question whether "the commercial Internet we have today" is a good thing, I heavily doubt that Al Gore is responsible for it. The Internet started its explosive growth and commercialization when the world at large (non-geeks, that is) discovered it. The government had (thankfully) nothing to do with it.
"Net's chief supporter in Congress"?? Oh yeah? How much support did the 'net receive from Congress, anyway? YMMV, but my chain of associations goes Internet/Congress -> CDA -> CDA II...
As to moving the "closed research oriented internet" somewhere, there never was any such thing. Almost from the very beginning Internet was open to anybody who had a computer and a connection. I still remember my dial-up account on a BBS...
Al Gore is a politician and that, to a great degree, defines him. Saying patently ridiculous things is part of it.
Akor
Posted by Akira410:
Wow, He must be a genious or something. We should all bow before him. ROFL... *sigh* Its sad what some people will say HAHAH
Well, I've had my laugh for today.
Posted by Parcells:
This is just lunacy. Anyone ever read any Soviet history (propaganda stuff) ?
It is quite frustrating to think this lawyer can go around saying this with no liability for lying.
Figures.
Posted by US Marine:
What a dufus.
He wouldn't know TCP/IP if Koskinen slapped him in the face with it. Too bad Koskinen doesn't know a helluva lot either.
Posted by Dr Pi:
For someone who comes from Russia, I'm surprised you can't see the obvious: after 10 years of capitalist reform, Russia is worse off today than it was under communists. Russia would have eventually adopted free markets, but the Harvard ideologues wanted this overnight and thus the current disaster.
This is not a party vs party issue. It's a common-sense vs. politician issue.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
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Hey, ease up on Tipper! I should remind you that she used to be a rock'n'roll drummer. That PMRC junk? It was just trendy political maneuvering designed to shore up Al's "pro-family" credentials - I doubt the PMRC is even mentioned in Al'n'Tipper's press releases these days. You see how suck-cessful it was: he's had to wait until 2001 to become president. D'oh!
Yeah, I considered libertarians but they seem to forget what free-market capitalism did to America (prosperity in the 20s followed by....)
When I look at today's economy, I think of a steroid-enhanced athlete. We watch and cheer and marvel now, but in a few years, when the guy's body prematurely breaks down...
There's always Greens.
Or emigration :)
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Which shouldn't imply that other courses of action would have been a significant improvement over what actually happened.
I encourage you to study the subject further (and to vote Libertarian - the government screws things up just as much by messing with our economic freedoms as it does by messing with our social freedoms).
Which shouldn't imply that study of New Deal-era economic history has anything to do with the Libertarian Party platform. Talk about margins all you want, but dysfunction is dysfunction, and that's what ties the 20's to the 90's; the times are different, but the ethos is similar, and the postmortem of this boom (if there is to be a postmortem) will no doubt touch on the Roaring Twenties for comparisons.
If economic freedom is your thing, there's plenty of unfettered capitalism going on in Russia. Go take a look; you might like it there. Or if you know (or are married to) the right people, give Indonesia or Malaysia a shot.
America: Love It Or Leave It!
heh heh heh... couldn't resist!
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Come on. It implies nothing. "New Deal style socialism"++ didn't seem to cramp the German wirtschaftswunder that followed the "economic downturn" known as WWII. They've even managed to digest the East.
You've also ignored the rest of my post where I argued that the Great Depression was originally caused by economic interventionism, in the form of a newly established central bank making credit too cheap, leading to rising speculation.
It's the Fed's fault? Nobody put a gun to people's heads and said "speculate!", just as no-one's saying "do really bad derivatives deals!" today; no-one's saying "make economies brittle by searching for the lowest common denominator of labor laws!". The motivating factor is excessive greed. If the Fed helps it along, shame on them. But they are not to blame. Yes, some agencies can go overboard - witness the IMF making countries keep ridiculous interest rates in order to prop up their currencies. The Fed is an itty bitty lamb in comparison.
My mention of the Libertarian Party was on-topic because the poster I was replying too said he would not vote Libertarian because he believed that the Great Depression was caused by the free market. I believe I've made a decent case (considering the limited space in a post) that this is not true.
That's fair. I think he may have meant something like "rampant or unrestricted free-market", rather than just tarring the whole thing with one brush.
It happens that I am originally from a formerly communist country (take a look at my name) so this was a poor move on your part.
No, it was a deliberate move. Both because of your geographic origins and because of the "shock treatment" prescription of the Bush-appointed experts. If we're going to say how great the free market is, or how victorious capitalism has been, we should look at those countries where there is even less regulation than in the United States, and at those places where the think-tank denizens had a much freer rein than in the US.
Russia's pathology is the result of corrupt government officials selling out wholesale to so-called businessmen and other gangsters: selling off formerly state-owned industries at far below the market value as special favors, and generally passing a bunch of laws that favor the so-called "oligarchs". This is not a free market.
This is why I'm not fond of capital-L Libertarian solutions (though there's bound to be some aspects that I agree with): we already have corruption (the gangsters are just more well-heeled here); a corrupted super-free market wouldn't be any better than what Russia has now. There is no such thing as a Free Market; there is no Invisible Hand - just an iron fist in a velvet glove, backed by economic, political, and military power. I wish people would stop deifying capitalism and the free market. It's not a silver bullet. We don't live in a vacuum; there is more to life and economics than cold-blooded financial ideals. If men were angels, maybe your solutions would work.
Nontheless, despite the pain that Russia and some other post-communist nations are feeling, ultimately the process they are going through will lead to a far better society if they can get the corruption under control. I visited Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic recently and already they are much better off than they were under Communism.
"They"? The US economy is only as good as the consensus opinion of it in Bed-Stuy and Appalachia; my opinion of Eastern Bloc economies would be the same, if I knew where to look. Please don't give me travelogues or macroeconomic statistics - I want to know the opinions of those at the receiving end of what's being dished out. I don't care about some amorphous "they".
Please argue with facts and logic instead of name-calling.
What names did I call you? Shall I show you what name-calling is? :) I don't know if you're aware of the origins of my little joke ending.
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That was one of my points. We have a lot to learn from great economists of all stripes, whether we agree with their politics or not. But to swallow wholesale a school of thought, and advocate solutions divorced from ethics and morality, only rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic. I tend to get especially incensed at Libertarians, since I really have problems with being a slaveowner-by-proxy-and-timeshare: the all-benevolent invisible hand of the market place has seen fit to apportion a 50/hr wage to many factory workers around the world - a situation that would be more widespread if there were even fewer restrictions on businesses. Yeah, cheap goods are great, but at what expense? We end up paying for it in other ways.
yr hmbl & obed svnt, PINGOU~1
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The GOP have inherited Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats; they've inherited the old fellow himself, for that matter. The whole point of the DLC was to position people like Clinton and Gore as "pro-business" and moderate/center-right, which is what they were anyway; the positioning was needed in order to combat the "Democrat == liberal == commie" FUD that a generation of conservatives have been spewing. Why is it FUD? I refer you to the words of George Wallace (may God rest his soul): "there ain't a dime's worth of difference" between the Donkey Party and the Elephant Party. Aside from a Maxine Waters or a Henry Gonzalez, the average Democrat on the Hill only differed from the average Republican on abortion rights and in rhetoric; much of the rancor is really just Bloods v Crips posturing on the periphery of issues. Or to quote Mike Malloy of Chicago's WGN (formerly of WSB and CNN; someone who spent a large chunk of his life enduring Southern politics): "Clinton's the best Republican president we've had in years".
I hope this clears things up.
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To me, a fully free market specifically means a 100% separation of economics and state, i.e. that the government has no power, as established constitutionally, to affect influence or regulate the economy. Under such a system there is no meaningful influence for gangsters to buy or sell. Of course, with enough systematic corruption, constitutional limitations can be made irrelevant. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
This is the part that scares me. Large corporations have already freed themselves from a good deal of oversight or regulation by governments - they subvert domestic labor or environment or tax laws by shifting capital elsewhere. They have almost total freedom in many non-Western countries. Some textile workers in Central America miraculously were able to organize themselves recently; the American contractor shut down the plant, rather than deal with collective bargaining. I don't see the gain in replacing one set of "dictators" (elected governments), with a new set (CEOs); I gravitate towards the former, since I don't get to vote for CEOs. All I see in your ideal New World is Brazilification, far and wide. Including my own back yard. And with such a Brazilification comes the (traditional) political instability of a Brazil or an Argentina. The freedom you seek is the socio-economic/political equivalent of the freedom to shout "Fire!" in a crowded movie theatre. So I see the quest for 100% separation as quixotic and harmful as my Christianity-mandated concern for the poor would probably look to you.
Viva Quixote! :)
Have a nice weekend. I'm glad to have elicited these good posts from you; it's the rare /. Libertarian who is able to explain things intelligently.
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Before you go flaming Al Gore, know the facts. Mr. Gore, as a senator is largely responsible for the commercial Internet we have today. As I recell, he was the Net's chief supporter in congress, actually helped move the closed research oritented internet to the Internet we know today. Granted, he did not "create" the Internet, but, of any presidential candidate, he is the most Internet friendly.
.com domain.
Hell, I'd rather have the overcommercialized internet that we had 5 years ago than have the ID tracking, unsecure bullshit we call the internet today, loaded up with it's proprietary html formats and wonderful "active-everything" crap, and eveyrone and their mother owning a
And that's becasue I've only been a 'net junkie for 5 years or so, before that a BBS operator. I imagine more hardened i-net veterans would want it even earlier than that. Today's internet is over-promoted and over-hyped.
-Erik-
The 1994 thing is probably referring to AOL reaching Usenet.
...but I lay claim to inventing the term "Information-Superhighway-Howdy". :-)
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
Is he to blame for that emarassing bulge I walk around with all day!? That @%$*&!
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
Didn't he also try to "create" a new Potato hybrid spelled with a ... *gasp* ... E?!?!
If Gore is a robot (many feel he is), he needs a reboot or something because his memory is leaking.
If you can read this message, your threshold is too low.
TedC
TedC
Isn't that what Clinton does all day?
This dweeb prolly doesn't even know how to use the 'net fer chrissakes. I'm soooooooo sick of so-called prominent(sic) people spouting off about stuff they have clue -10 on. Al Gore for prez and BgatusdeBorg for his vp. That way, they can collectively claim they invented the universe and all the accessories. Sheesh. Would it be politic to email this luser and point out an appropriate book/website with the facts, or would that just be a futile gesture?
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
ROFLMAO! Thanks! I needed that.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
hehe . . so true that it's the EXPLOITER and the one that has the backing of the people and manipulating them to BELIEVE something . . in which they have no knowledge of . .
but it's sooo true, the way to have some power is to have the power to reach out to soooo many and force them to believe in something because they don't know what to believe so they need someone to TELL them what to believe . .
It's that whole Citizen Kane thing . . I mean . . Susan Alexander didn't sing too well did she ?
What a star ! =)
(if you don't know what I am talking about RENT the movie)
Manipulation of the ignorant masses is not funny.
I know of a few dictators that started that way.
. . and also . . I don't want to allow the growth of stronger encryption . .because . . how would I get the nudie pics being sent out to other countries . . I invented the Internet so I get to see what goes out . . . thats' my job . .
.it was really strange . . I turned on the stove and I did it . . I'll demonstrate it for you sometime.
Did I mention I invented FIRE . . yeah .
Nonsense. Inside Cisco its pronounced ROUTER. Not ROOTER. Gee, but I guess I wouldn't know - I just WORK THERE.
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Not only did he not know what a hyperlink was, but he couldn't even figure out that he was supposed to CLICK on hyperlinks! After he was told several times, coached, helped, scripted and everything else someone off screen finally had to move the mouse around because he was so freaking clueless.
Al Gore is just another in a long line of scum sucking politicians trying to take credit for other peoples work. (And yes, I consider most - if not all - politicians to be scum sucking parasites).
Al Gore is fucking clueless about the Internet. He doesn't even read his own e-mail! Its screened and anything he does get is printed out on paper! He doesn't like to use computers! Ugh... hes a PHB at best.
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In DC, where Al Gore is and lives, its pronounced ROWT, not root. The point is that the guy doesn't know what a router is, which is evidenced by a number of things not the least of which is that he doesn't even know how to pronounce it. And since Al Gore is an American, and since he lives in DC, and since its pronounced ROWTER in Washington DC, and the rest of the United States, and since the CEO of Cisco systems, the company that INVENTED the router was being introduced (and pronouces the word ROWTER - ask him sometime), and since Cisco Systems pronounces the word ROWTER (I work there) it stands to reason that Al Gore had no idea what he was talking about or what it is that Cisco makes - and in turn, that means Al Gore knows little about the Internet (the dolt couldn't even figure out how to use his Mac at the White House!). Which was the whole point of the article, how can the guy "invent" the Internet when he knows nothing about it, and can't even get simple things straight like how to pronounce things like router. Al Gore is not british - hes an American - and thats how we pronounce router here. Sheesh.
Damn, why the hell do people have to nit pick these things to death. Its not that fsking complicated.
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(This from my sig, which I pulled from duh-2000.com...
"How could this [y2k bug] be a problem in a
country where we have Intel and Microsoft?"
And imagine the implications of Gore getting
Gates as Veep. Those two could rewrite the whole
of history, even down to the missing 11th
Commandment "Thou must use MS Windows"
"Pinky, you've left the lens cap of your mind on again." - P&TB
"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
Well, to the AC from Paraguay: The guy
who invented Algorithms is Al-Kwarism, I
think, and he was from a place that was a
part of Iran at the time (sort of), but is
now in one of the Turkish republics, south
of the Sea of Azov.
Phil Fraering "Humans. Go Fig." - Rita
(currently testing something about signatures here)
WTF? You just looking to defend Gore?
He's opposed manned spaceflight in Congress, yet never passes up a chance to schmooze with astronauts.
He's taken money from the tobacco producers, yet demonizes them every chance he gets.
He's called for campaign finance reform, yet accepts $5,000.00 checks in a buddhist temple from nuns who have sworn a vow of poverty and never thought to question the source of the funds.
Face it, Al Gore is a hypocritical, self serving, self aggrandizing SOB who will try to be on the "right" side of an issue if it will bump him up a half point in the polls, since he has no strong convictions of his own other than that the people exist to serve government and not the other way around.
In other words, he's just being a typical politician.
...does that make it a roto-router? :)
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"My life's work has been to prompt others... and be forgotten." --Cyrano de Bergerac
I don't know about you, but I do pronounce route as "r-ow!-te". "root" is what you have when you see an octothorpe, not the path something takes to arrive at its destination.
Yes, I am.
Umm, wasn't that his wife Tipper Gore?
/mill
Errr, I think you're thinking of the Republicans. Although these days it's getting hard to tell the difference..
Daniel
Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
and he probably thinks AOL bisks are kewl too.
:o)
yet another reason why the government shouldn't stick its nose on technology, or why RMS should run for president (Linus can't, as you probably know already).
^D
In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
Assuming they manage to get a candidate in.
What are the alternatives?
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Actually I thought that was the whole point.
> He's opposed manned spaceflight in Congress
He's right on that one at least. Manned spaceflight in a confined area like the Congress building would be very dangerous.
Regards, Ralph.
A: His lips are moving...
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
If anyone had actually watched the hearings on the much hyped "Information Super Highway", they would have realized that it was actually a national cable system! They were going to use the huge volume of bandwidth so they could start movies every 15 minutes!
I really wish that the media would stop treating Gore as if he were some sort of "Wired Intelectual".
Come to think of it, did'nt Gore also claim to be the inspiration to the book "Love Story" was based on? What next? Is he going to claim he invented the printing press and velcro?
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Just remember.. if it wasnt for good ole Al.. we probably wouldnt be walking erect yet.. =)
Victoria Palmer - I brake for unix.boys, Windows just breaks. - http://www.escape.com/~juliet
I get this mental image of a bunch of Cisco employees standing around a computer cheering as a packet gets sent from the NIC, encouraging it to make it all the way to a router.
:-)
It's called "negativie campaigning"
It lost the British Conservative Party the last General Election.
I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
Well, the Iron Lady shouted and dictated till even the most dedicated fasci^H^H^H^H^Hconservatives saw through her, so no one could really keep up the pretence. John Redwood had a go for party leader, but there just weren't that many hard-liners left.
:-)
Now we have Tory Plan B led by the ex-thatcherite Tony Blair
Maybe they _did_ win after all!
.. and as for the House of Lords with it's in-builtd bias...
I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
GNOME 1.0 is roughly identical in functionality, good looks, and bug-free-ness as KDE 1.0 was. From your comment it appears that you haven't seen GNOME since the 0.30 release, and just assumed that 1.0 wasn't any different.
Tired of FB/Google censorship? Visit UNCENSORED!
I can tell you first hand there are American employees working for Cisco who pronounce it "rooter". Who cares? What a stupid thing to diss on Gore for.
why not add a mailto link to his name - it's vice.president@whitehouse.gov .
US Citizen living abroad? Register to vote!
Why is it that the 99% of americans have to give the other 1% a bad name?
....a better Internet experience. I just love those commercials that prey on the stupid people....and the politicians are right behind....
Who is the master of foxhounds, and who says the hunt has begun? -Pink Floyd
The more Al Gore speaks, the more I wish Bob Dole was running in 2000. I mean dang, first he and his wife want to restrict what we can buy in music stores, now he wants to be the father of the information age.
And that's what I think.
you alwasy make sure that you have a moron as the vice-president. this will prevent anyone from trying to kill the president. or so i believe.
Its spelt "L-I-N-U-X", but pronunced as "Free Beer"
BTW, if you want to read more by Declan McCullagh, the guy who broke the story, check out Y2K Culture.Com or see him in video on Meeks Unfiltered
Nonetheless he has taken things a bit far...
Jonathan Corbet, LWN.net
Of course, if Microsoft made PC's easy to use, then Al Gore invented the Internet.
I wonder how many things in history are attributed to the wrong people at the wrong time, and they didn't really happen that way.
Who knows? Who cares? Shrug, it all doesn't really matter. A lot of people are probably going to believe him anyway.
I'm totally serious, if you want to find something significant he has come up with (which is completely impossible, but let's say for the sake of argument its not), His good ol wife, Tipper, and he consolidated on a small committee and gave us the censorship stickers you see on records and cd's that warn parents of "evil things", as well as the ability to censor especially "bad" records by co-ercing the major labels. They also tightened the FCC's ability to censor things on the radio, NOT necessarily sex or profanity, but also things that they disagree with.
The worst mistake anyone in this country can make, especially anyone who values their free speech, is to put Al Gore into office.
Check my Go-related blog for beginners: DGD
In this unfortunate day and age, 12 second soundbytes and the occasional very-prepared interview are all we have left to see what the heads of our state are thinking. It's not that he should be crucified for mispronouncing router or misspelling "potato" or any other stupid vp-ism.
It's both the pompous state of mind and obvious maneuvering to get into a hot new topic that we as the american people should call him on. Commander Taco is right, we should be offended that he would look at it that way, that he would try to use for political gain something that in the real world, he had very little to do with. Most people believe that almost nothing any politician does is on his own anyway, and I think it's naieve (sp?) to think that he's truly commited to the internet, especially if shows a continuing ignorance about it.
I also submit his previous record on censorship, for which he very much in favor. Warning labels for "Parental Guidance" weren't done by an admitted right-wing conservative, but a closet conservative Democrat and his wife Tipper.
Check my Go-related blog for beginners: DGD
Triana is a joke.1 .html
Having another Sun-synchronous satellite would be sweet, but not just for pretty pictures.
For the cost of a webmaster, this site has done exactly what Triana is supposed to do, but does it today. Warning, requires some real bandwidth:
http://farside.gsfc.nasa.gov/ISTO/dro/global/page
gigantino.tv - Heavy but weighs nothing.
Information Super-de-duper Highway! (Stop, Look, and Listen before crossing)
(Don't watch Barney, watch a little kid watch Barney)
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
He's obviously a hardwood native to North America!
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Yeah, how many times have you heard "Microsoft saved us from DOS!"?
cripes...
>> I wish we could hack congress and make *them*
>> more efficient.
Can you imagine if we turned Linus loose on 'em? Maybe he could improve their memory management (no more, "Uhh, I really don't recall that.")
tjones for President!
Give me a break. Revisionism has nothing to do with conspiracies, aliens, liberals, the Trilateral Commission (I've never even heard of it), the Jews, the Rockefellers, or anything else. Revisionism is just bending the truth about what happens.
Al Gore did talk up the internet, so in a way, he "encouraged" it. But he didn't invent it. He bent the truth.
Stop attaching a bunch of unrelated issues together!
>> If men were angels, maybe your solutions would
>> work.
Strange you should mention this. This is exactly the reason why Socialism fails so dismally. In fact, *any* economic system (or political system) will fail if the people lack honor and morality. That is the real key to a successful nation.
Come on! I, with open arms, would welcome the days of BBS again. It would be better than the graphical, spam-tastical, hype-filled smorgasboard of cluelessness that is the "Internet" today.
Socialist economics and relativist morals...sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. An honest and moral nation is the only hope for *any* economic or political model.
You seem to be unsure of what you hate. Do you hate opposition to sex or opposition to perjury? As to the "Ever President lies. That's their job." Not every president lies in front of a *jury*. And no, it isn't their job. It's a crime. Bush didn't lie before a jury (but I still don't mind him being gone). You seem to realize that Nixon *was* a crook, but this doesn't bode well for your case because Nixon was impeached (and rightly so) and resigned. As for Reagan, I was only 10 when Reagan left office, so I *myself* don't know everything about what went on during his presidency.
There are many things that are presented as "historical fact" that are not fact. These things are collectively referred to as "revisionism."
More like Texas George Bush than Pat Buchanan. Or maybe Lizzy Dole. Pat Buchanan doesn't have a chance in hell
Come on, Quayle will not get nominated in a million years. It would be suicide for the Republicans. My money is on Texas George Bush.
And what makes it stupid? Calling him on his amazingly inaccurate statement of creating the internet?
F /...
If he can't keep his head straight and not lie on a cheezy cnn interview then he definetly isn't material to be president. The president has to be able to lie directly to the camera without blinking.
He has not been a strong supporter of the internet. He has been supportive. He has however been a strong support of the clipper chip and both CDAs.
I'd rather have either a cardboard box or a magic 8 ball as president than any of our potential canidate choices.
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This is the kind of thing where we should
demand a (front page, not Op-Ed) retraction.
That would make quite a statement.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
By making this broad claim, has he laid claim :-)
to anyone's patents? Can Cisco file a civil
action against Al now? Can a VP be impeached
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
Strangely enough, on internet related issued, the Republicans are usually on the right side and the Domocrats are usually on the wrong side. The Clinton administration pushed for the CDA, signed it, and argued for it before the Supreme Court. Quite a few Republicans opposed it. Also, it is the Republicans who are pushing bills to allow export of encryption, which are blocked by the Clinton administration.
Stuff like this just solidifies my choice to vote for Hollywood Hogan in 2000.
I find this flaming of the Vice President pure
stupidity. Al Gore should have phrased it better.
If you look back you will realize that his is the
one who pushed the internet into what it is today.
To claim that he actually invented it was a bit
exagerated but put yourself in front of a camera
and be asked a lot of questions you would likely
be making a few mistakes as well.
Al Gore has been for years a strong supporter of
our rights to have satellite dishes as well as
a strong supporter of the Internet.
Al Gore is a good man and would make a fine
president.
Buchanan is a joke, a slightly better candidate
than Pat Robertson was. The real choice will
be between Al Gore and George Bush.
Both Al Gore and George W Bush would make great
presidents.
Al's handicap is his wife and George's handicap
is his kissing up to the fundies. We're in a fix,
I rather have Tipper than a fundy. If George Bush
tells the fundies to kiss off, I'll vote for him.
I knew he would do that sooner or later, with him talking about the "Information Superhighway" Just before most Americans became aware of the Internet.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
This is the same guy who gave that tear-jerking/barf-inducing speech at the '96 Democratic convention about how the evil tobacco industry killed his sister. Yet he was raised as a tobacco farmer, and he bragged about this fact in campaign speeches to tobacco farmers years after his sister died.
So he's a typical Pol.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
see www.whitehouse.com
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
see www.whitehouse.com ;-)
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
If route is pronounced the same as root, then how would a word that was to be pronounced as r-OW!t-er be spelled? ROWTER? That looks like an abomination.
;-) )
The vowels OU in conjunction can be pronounced either way. Examples: "You"
However, I think ou more often gives the "ow" sound:
sour (not correctly pronounced "sewer", I hope
out (I think they say "oot" in parts of Canada, but I KNOW the British say OWT!)
loud (not lewd!)
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
Yeah, but you Canadians often give the "oo" sound to "ou".
For instance, I have often heard Canadians pronounce "about" the same as "A boot"
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
Before you go flaming Al Gore, know the facts. Mr. Gore, as a senator is largely responsible for the commercial Internet we have today. As I recell, he was the Net's chief supporter in congress, actually helped move the closed research oritented internet to the Internet we know today. Granted, he did not "create" the Internet, but, of any presidential candidate, he is the most Internet friendly.
If Gore wins the presidency, crypto controls will be so tight it'll be a crime to export a cap'n crunch decoder ring. What a choice we have in America... inept but well meaning (democrats) vs. devious but good at it (republicans) vs. right, but ignored (liberetarians) *sigh* I'm moving to the moon... who's with me?
0 1 - just my two bits
Why does it always seem that Vice Presidents make an ass out of themselves?
It's called "Impeachment Insurance".
0 1 - just my two bits
BLITZER: I want to get to some of those substantive domestic and international questions in a bit, but let's just wrap up a bit of the politics right now.
Why should Democrats, looks at the Democratic nomination, the process, support you instead of Bill Bradley -- a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate -- what do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?
br77: Simple enough start-off question - "Why you over Senator Bradley?"
GORE: Well, I will -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins,and it'll be comprehensive and sweeping, and I hope that it'll be compelling
enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it
br77: "I won't tell you yet, but trust me, it'll be great!"
will be. But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.
br77: We need someone (Vint Cerf?) to chime in here: "I knew Jon Postel. He was my friend. And you're no Jon Postel" (profuse apologies if I've misspelled JP's name!)
I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be
br77: he sure likes the word "initiative", doesn't he? I'm from New Jersey, does initiative have any special meaning if you're from Tennessee?
important to our country's economic growth, environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. During a quarter century of public service, including most of it long before I came into my current job, I have worked to try to improve the quality of life in our country and in our world.
br77: Couldn't he have taken claim to accomplishing even ONE SINGLE SOLITARY THING?
And what I've seen during that experience is an emerging future that's very exciting, about which I'm very optimistic and toward which I'm -- I want to lead.
br77: "I want to lead" at least he was honest about it. And (no surprise, Gore's a politician and he's been studying under a master), notice he NEVER answered the question about why him rather than Bradley.
I may have to change party affiliation to Demo just so I can vote against him.
So if you really like Linux and want to support the free software movement, VOTE MOOSET!
>maybe you should think before you speak. Moron.
Took you two posts to get it right? Hmm... methinks you didn't think before you posted. Or perhaps you intended youself to look just like what you were criticizing the above poster for: a moron.
Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
Reminds me of Brit/Yank confusion that set in once for a tech who worked for me years ago. She was trying to deal (over the telephone) with a problem with a printer attached to our corporate mainframe network (where the native code was EBCDIC) in the UK. The problem as described was that "the pound sign wasn't printing correctly". In the process of sorting out if it was the currency symbol (pounds, in the UK, of course) or the octothorpe that was the vicim, she unfortunatly asked if the glpyh in question looked like a "tic-tac-toe board". Took a few moments of confusion to elicit "Oh, you mean 'noughts and crosses'!"
Besides...isn't a "r-ow!-ter" one of the power tools Norm uses on "New Yankee Workshop"?
-=Maggie Leber=-
Al Gore. What a jacka**. How could he even think about making such a statement? The guy can't even pronounce routers properly.
Al Gore didn't create "internet 2" either. I did. In my sleep. Yep it was me. Yep.
By the way thats sarcasm. Maybe.
I'd be willing for my tax dollars to go to a program that straps Al Gore's a** to a satellite and shoots him off into space. Except I'd want the cameras turned around so we could get a 24/7 picture of him mouthing his political rhetoric. We could bring him back down safe and sound after the election is over. That way we'd be spared from his future political commercials where he also makes claim to the "fact" that he's the one responsible for THE cure for cancer.
What branch of the U.S. Government do you think DARPA is a part of?
You must excuse the corporate hubris on the part of GTE. GTE now owns BBN, the company that DID do the initial work on the ARPANET. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit of a reach, I know...
it was obviously mocking his tone. just like the liberals have their political correctness, the conservatives whenever presented with facts dismiss the facts as "revisionist history," thus cancelling out any chance of a rational argument.
was Reagan lowered the taxes for the rich and raised the taxes for the poor, while de-regulating just about everything, and he did just about everything he possibly could to destroy labor unions.
then of course, he made the religious right's wacked out ideals mainstream, sold arms to iran to fund the contras, and armed (along with the french) our good dear friend saddam hussein, who at the time of the reagan presidency was our ally since they were the "good guys" in the war iran-iraq war.
i wasn't too clear about the AC's post either but i think he (or she) was implying a cynicism that the whole anti-clinton thing is bullshit because every president lied, yet only clinton got shafted. unfair? sure. not like i like clinton, especially since he continued the war against iraq, is for the gov't killing american citizens, bans guns, and sponsors orwellian bills like the cda, then ups the ante on the "war on drugs," lowers treatment for drugs, and puts more cops on the street. however, for all the things i don't like clinton for, busting him for getting a blowjob is just plain wrong and has only succeeded in getting any level-headed person in the country to hate the republican party.
Gore also proposed sending a satellite into orbit for the sole purpose of putting a camera up there that can be accessed real time on the Internet 24/7. I thought this just fell through the budget cuts until I heard last week that my company is proposing some science instruments to go along with this camera and maybe make it more useful.
I would hate to hear the things he would take credit for if he were ever to be president. Then again, maybe the U.S. would have less scandals....
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
"We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
You wouldn't want to bring the whitehouse server down. :)
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
"We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
Hahahahahahahahahahehehehehehehehhohohohohohohohoh ohohohaahahaheheheheh
That's almost as good as:
"640K should be enough for everyone". B. Gates 1984
K
Mr Gore, you didn't invent the "internet". rather, you just invented that God-awful term, "the Information Superhighway".
That would be Gore's pet project towards making 1984 a reality.
But you are right it is becoming harder to tell the diffrence..
Some of us have to at our working environments.
(At home, on the other hand, my linux box is patiently waiting for me)
Greg
--
Our records have stickers with a warning from tipper
'coz they're no good for kids
If we'd get her we'd strip her
--KMFDM
If Gore is the future: Clipper, CDA, and mass censorship will only be the tip of the iceberg.
He is the father^H^H^H^H^H^Hkiller of the vast network of free speach known as the Internet.
--
Four years in jail
No Trial, No Bail
*** FREE KEVIN ***
New worlds are not born in the vacuum of abstract
ideas, but in the fight for daily bread --Rudolf Rocke
I supported it too. Will you vote for me? I won't claim to have invented it, but I always thought it was a good idea... and I was always against CDA and son of CDA. So that makes me better than Gore, right?
:)
Me for president!
"Political Leader" is an oxymoron.
Edu. sig-line: Choose rhymes with lose. Chose rhymes with goes. Loose rhymes with goose.
Comparing? THEN use THAN.
Al Gore spoke at my brother's graduation a few years ago (I think it was 1997 if you were there).
He made two big mistakes there:
1. Bragged about being a Harvard grad (he got booed for a good 2 minutes).
2. Bragged about coining the term "Information Superhighway"
Number 2 is why he thinks he invented the internet. What a panzy.
---
"Everybody knows the moon's made of cheese," Wallace.
So come on, sing along:
"Get your kicks, on r-owww-t 66..."
Wait a minute, that damn Brit Nat King Cole!!!
Information wants to be beer, or something like that.
You know what scares me most about al gore being president? Tipper being the first lady. She is the single most harmful person to free speech and freedom of expression this country has ever seen. Her desire to make every child on the planet a "PG kid in an X-Rated society" frightens me.
-matt
I remember hearing this, right around when he said "it's a terrible waste to lose one's mind," instead of "a mind is a terrible thing to waste."
-matt
The accepted pronounciation(i know i spelled it wrong, it's late and i don't care) of "router" is "rowt-er". I've never heard of a "root-er" in my life.
-matt
Don't forget, this is also the guy who once said that a leopard never changes its stripes. He's the environmental vice president who got lost hiking through the woods one time and needed two secret service guys to go in and bring him out.
etc. etc.
This guy is just as bad as Dan Quayle ever was, only the media never reports his goof-ups ad infinitum like they did in the Bush years.
The good news is that he's since dropped his tree routine in favor of a quite hilarious southern preacher impression. . . Really. Catch him at a rally on CSPAN if you ever get the chance. They broadcast out over the Internet.
-Augie
Wasn't there a post on /. recently about a call
by the ACM president to electronically open up congress and the legislative process?
OhMyGod! I think I just agreed with Katz!
I read a pundit that claimed Bill's initial comment "Yeah, but I didn't inhale" was actually a sarcastic joke that the media took seriously, and put Billy in the position of actually having to defend that position.
Man this country is effd-up about drugs and sex!
hmm, In Australia we pronounce rout as root, but
tend to pronounce router as row-ter.
the reson for this is that, well in australian
slang root, is much the same as f**k, but in
a less ofencive way,(note you don't say root off, though, it is used like I have had a root.) So
instead of having a rooter we have a row-ter.
some times I wonder.
"sometimes I wish I was blind I thought I saw a whole lot more than this"
awright. nobody's gonna confuse me with an al gore fan, but there are two kinds of people in america: those who pronounce route 'root', and those who, um, don't.
so, what's wrong, in theory, with saying 'rooters' instead of 'rowters'?
the pronunciation of 'route' is largely regional, btw, so of *course* it sounds funny when somebody sez it wrong.
laterz, -k. ^0^
-k. ^-^ ^D
Despite the revisionism in many textbooks, the Great Depression was _not_ caused by the free market. The rampant speculation during most of the 20's was caused by the artificially loose credit enabled by the then-new Federal Reserve System keeping interest rates artificially low. Many speculators bought on margin due to the cheap rates, keeping the spiral going, until the whole thing collapsed. After that, the resulting depression was made far worse by FDR's New Deal policies - employment and output kept falling throughout much of FDR's term of office, bottommed out, and did not significantly rise again until the US entered WWII. This can clearly be seen in any graph of key economic indicators during the Depression.
I encourage you to study the subject further (and to vote Libertarian - the government screws things up just as much by messing with our economic freedoms as it does by messing with our social freedoms).
Which shouldn't imply that other courses of action would have been a significant improvement over what actually happened.
All previous US ecnomic downturns ended _much_ faster. That certainly implies to me that New Deal style socialism is not the right answer to an economic downturn.
You've also ignored the rest of my post where I argued that the Great Depression was originally caused by economic interventionism, in the form of a newly established central bank making credit too cheap, leading to rising speculation.
In fact the boom that's happening right now _is_ much like the early 20's boom - a centrally controlled banking system is making credit too cheap, resulting in rampant speculation and buying on margin (only now it's larger scale, and we call it "hedge funds"). When there is a free market in banking, rising speculation and the resultant demand for credit lead to a corresponding increase in interest rates, causing a decrease in speculation on credit, and an increased level of investment in bonds rather than stocks and other risky investments. In fact, this used to happen bacck when many nations had free banking.
My mention of the Libertarian Party was on-topic because the poster I was replying too said he would not vote Libertarian because he believed that the Great Depression was caused by the free market. I believe I've made a decent case (considering the limited space in a post) that this is not true.
If economic freedom is your thing, there's plenty of unfettered capitalism going on in Russia. Go take a look; you might like it there.
It happens that I am originally from a formerly communist country (take a look at my name) so this was a poor move on your part. Russia's pathology is the result of corrupt government officials selling out wholesale to so-called businessmen and other gangsters: selling off formerly state-owned industries at far below the market value as special favors, and generally passing a bunch of laws that favor the so-called "oligarchs". This is not a free market.
Nontheless, despite the pain that Russia and some other post-communist nations are feeling, ultimately the process they are going through will lead to a far better society if they can get the corruption under control. I visited Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic recently and already they are much better off than they were under Communism.
America: Love It Or Leave It!
I'm not a flag-waving patriot-at-any-cost 'merkin. I believe that many radical reforms are necessary. Just not the same ones as you. Please argue with facts and logic instead of name-calling.
First of all, I am not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. If you read my post you would know that.
Second, I presented some facts supporting the theory that the great depression was caused by government intervention rather than the free market. But instead of actually presenting contrary arguments, you chose to attack my use of the phrase "revisionism" to describe the other theory. Which one of us is "cacnelling out any chane of a rational argument"?
I can't explain this in detail in the small space
of a slashdot post, but in brief, the economy is full of long-term private investors, and a large number of long-term investors seeking to maximize profits will regulate interest rates more effectively through market forces than any central planner, because no central planner can have possibly enough knowledge of the whole economy.
Alan Greenspan is perhaps the most effective central banker this or any other country has ever seen, and he believes his job should be eliminated because no one can regulate as well as a free market.
It's the Fed's fault? Nobody put a gun to people's heads and said "speculate!", just as no-one's saying "do really bad derivatives deals!" today;
People are greedy by nature. Regulation attempts to legislate against the greed. A free market makes greed naturally self-regulating. Considering this particular example: investors naturally want to maximize their profits. A free market in credit, however, naturally limits the damage high-risk but potentially high-yield investments can do to the economy as a whole. Interest rates, the price of the credit needed to speculate on other people's money, and incidentally also the return on lower-risk investments such as bonds, will naturally and gradually rise in such situations, making speculation less profitable relative to safer investments.
The Fed destroyed the natural information signals like this that propagate through the economy by keeping interest rates too low (incidentally in the course of trying to help England prop up its currency at an unsustainably high level). That the ultimate result of an economy having key feedback paths destroyed this way was disaster is unsurprising. The Fed does a better job of regulating interest rates more intelligently today, but the same could happen again.
Think of it as negative feedback cycles, the same way the human body regulates itself. Do you really think your body would run better if some central agent had to control all aspects of its metabolism?
a corrupted super-free market wouldn't be any better than what Russia has now.
To me, a fully free market specifically means a 100% separation of economics and state, i.e. that the government has no power, as established constitutionally, to affect influence or regulate the economy. Under such a system there is no meaningful influence for gangsters to buy or sell. Of course, with enough systematic corruption, constitutional limitations can be made irrelevant. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
The US economy is only as good as the consensus opinion of it in Bed-Stuy and Appalachia; my opinion of Eastern Bloc economies would be the same, if I knew where to look. Please don't give me travelogues or macroeconomic statistics - I want to know the opinions of those at the receiving end of what's being dished out. I don't care about some amorphous "they".
My personal relatives appeared to be materially better off. People in general seem to be doing a much better job of creating their own opportunities instead of waiting for the state to take care of them, and that to me is even more important. The very worst off people are probably doing quite poorly, but that was just as true under Communism. However, I don't agree with your premise that the success of an economy is best measured by the material conditions of the worst off. Any socioeconomic system will have _some_ people in it who are suffering. This cannot be changed, and attempts to do so are Quixotic. The best you can do is maximize everyone's opportunity to improve his or her own condition.
I can definitely say that for the average person, Poland has improved a great deal under "shock treatment". You don't have to wait for hours in line to get bread any more (literally - many people from better off countries can't believe this, but I experienced it). You don't have monthly rations for how much meat and sugar you can buy. You are free to start your own small business, and many people have. You are free to change jobs when you want, not when the state permits you. Of course, a lot of people can't get used to the idea that they are responsible for their own economic welfare.He promoted the clipper-chip, he did not stand up to the CDA and its bastard children.
OTOH, he has done a heck of a job of re-engineering stupid government processes, and saved the good citizens billions of dollars in red tape.
Bravery, Kindness, Clarity, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
(BPR != Downsizing)
Services are being provided in a far more efficient manner than they had been. In case you hadn't noticed, the Federal government has been running at a surplus for the first time in decades, despite the continuing debt load brought on by massive military deficit spending in the Ronald Raygun years.
Bravery, Kindness, Clarity, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
I think the internet was made just for porn and spam. We are all just on barrowed time...
:-)
--
Joshua Curtis
Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
inventing the internet is a bit much,
but if i recall correctly, he was the
one who pushed the legislation thru that
in essence moved it from strictly arpanet
and univeristies to the hands of NFS or
whoever that let more people use it and
develop into what we know today. Im sorry
i dont have details.. its been awhile since
i researched this. but i know he had a role.
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going.
This just furthers the ideas that:
:(
a) All Politicians are lying, cheating, bottom feeders.
b) The American voting public are total idiots
No wonder people don't have any faith in politics anymore. The saddest part of this is the millions of AOL casual users who think the web is the internet will probably buy this hook, line & sinker.
Sigh, what happened to Oceania?
-TF
The guy can't even pronounce routers properly.
While his claim is certainly pretentious, I think that it's unfair to discredit him simply because he knows nothing about the technology. As a politician, his role in anything will be political, not technical. I don't know what political role he had in encouraging the Internet; from all the chatter I get the impression that he had something to do with encouraging its growth at some point. Certainly, it's misleading to call that "creating the Internet," but his comments are not as far off the mark as what a lot of his critics say!
Personally, I think it's silly to bicker about this when there are so many more substantial reasons to criticize Gore. In particular, why do he and Clinton have such a hardon for impeding freedom on the Internet? While I have been more pleased with the Clinton administration than Reagan or Bush, I've been really disappointed by their stance against civil liberties on issues like WIPO and encryption.
Incidentally, does anyone know what Ralph Nader's stance on the 2000 election is?
It is most definately NOT a wasted vote to vote third party. Far from it! For one thing, your vote has the same infinitesmal effect no matter who you vote on. But if lots of people go third party, not only is there that chance of winning, but it gets major attention. Ask anyone from Minnesota ;-)
Vidi, Vici, Veni
It is most definately NOT a wasted vote to vote third party. Far from it! For one thing, your vote has the same infinitesmal effect no matter who you vote on. But if lots of people go third party, not only is there that chance of winning, but it gets major attention. Ask anyone from Minnesota ;-) To quote their new governor, "those wasted votes wasted them (the major parties)"
Vidi, Vici, Veni
I think it's a good portion of the WORLD who pronounce it "rooter". It's the basterdized US English that pronounces it "rowter"
Great idea.. send some flame mail to that address, then look out your window to see a mysterious black van parked out in front of your house indefinitely...
---- Dave
So we got that goin' for us, anyway...
Chris
So Buddha walks into a pizza parlor and says: "Hey, make me one with everything."
see subject
people like this give our entire species a bad name.
"All that glitters is not gold"
.."tom eh! tow"
:-)
Lets call the whole thing off!!
P.S.
Another Limey voting for rooter!!
Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
Karma: Chameleon
I think Mars would be a much better choice. ;)
~PanIc~
I am Mother Theresa Returned!
I returned as Father Theresa!
I PROVED FERMAT'S LAST THEOREM!
I WHO ME? INVENTED SLASHDOT!
The kernel needs a Gtk/Gnome-based post-install device configuration tools "a la" make xconfig. (Better sig coming soon
If you don't vote, pay your taxes, and aren't going around throwing bombs for your revolution, who cares what you think? It's not like your stunning prose is going to incite the masses. You're irrelevant to the political process.
The stupidest slaves are those who believe they're free because they get to choose thier masters.
And what makes you any freer? Not choosing your master?
-jon
Remember Amalek.
In fact the boom that's happening right now _is_ much like the early 20's boom - a centrally controlled banking system is making credit too cheap, resulting in rampant speculation and buying on margin (only now it's larger scale, and we call it "hedge funds"). When there is a free market in banking, rising speculation and the resultant demand for credit lead to a corresponding increase in interest rates, causing a decrease in speculation on credit, and an increased level of investment in bonds rather than stocks and other risky investments. In fact, this used to happen bacck when many nations had free banking.
There are other parallels to what happened in the '20s which you've missed. Germany was forced to pay reparations after losing WWI. They were WAY out of line with Germany's actual ability to pay back the Allies. While there was relatively open trade between the various European countries (and America), the German economy was able to generate enough moolah to pay that huge international debt.
Then isolationist/protectionist nitwits got into power, and countries started erecting trade barriers (Hawley-Smoot in the US). Money stopped flowing between countries. Germany just printed too much cash (inflation) to pay off its debts, the Mark became worthless and depression began in Germany. The contagion then spread from country to country.
Not so much different from the 90's, where countries with huge international debts have to devalue their currencies and/or print worthless money to pay off debts. Hopefully, we'll avoid the problem this time around.
-jon
Remember Amalek.
Man, I really dislike Gore, but I think CmdrTaco's snide remarks devalue other peoples contributions to the Internet.
The Internet is about more than routers and protocols. There were a lot of policy decisions and initiatives which brought us to where we are today. In some cases, technical people were instrumental in progress in this area but pols, bureacrats, educators, and later, business people all helped move things along.
Personally, I don't think we would be where we are today if someone(s) hadn't decided to charter NSFnet (remember them) to provide access to students at all US colleges and universites. It was this initiative that really opened up the net (some would say killed it). It moved it beyond the grasp of graduate students and faculty in computer science and high energy physics and into the hands of students in faculty in other sciences and even lowly undergraduate art majors.
Among other things, this demostraited broad appeal of the Internet and proved the value of freindlier interfaces to internet information such as HTML pages. Such a clear market led us to commercialization of the backbone.
Without this exposure I don't want to think about where we would be, but it would probably look like some ugly combination of MSN & AOL, circa 1995 with intractive television mixed in somewhere along with some lame network of local BBSs.
AC wrote:
There is something on your nose there buddy.
How can you tell from your vantage point?
If you read my post as an endorsement of Al Gore then I have to conclude that you are a seriously psychotic individual
Are there enough "true liberals" left in the United States to make a difference to Gore?
it would seem to me that he certainly does know what it is and what it does.
The router determines what route packets should take. It doesn't determine what "r-ow!-te". Al Gore may have claimed he invented the Internet but at least he didn't claim he invented the English language. That's a popular American mistake......
Are you American?
Not so funny when you realize a (hopefully small) segment of the US populace doesn't have a clue where Hawaii is.
If Al gets his way you will not have the ability to post as an Anonymous Coward any more. The government has an enourmous impact on your personal freedom as it relates to electronic media, specifically in your right to privacy.
If you think everyone besides yourself is a "gullible idiot", examine your perspective.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Sure will be fun picking between Al Gore and Pat Buchanan for your president in 2000!
M$ thought of I2 three days before you did -- and they have the internal memos to prove it!
I cannot believe this moron's arrogance.
Before you forgive him, look at his statement:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
How can he possibly be doing anything but lying?
What a tool this guy is...
I hope he gets the public mocking that he deserves for this idiotic statement.
I'd like to hear what *exactly* he thinks he did. What protocols he thinks he wrote, (or even suggested,) what funding he personally approved that resulted in anything - c'mon, mr. VP, show us a single line of code - anything!
All he did was raise public awareness for something that never happened - the "Information Superhighway". (God, I hate that term.) Meanwhile, Tim Berners-Lee cobbed together some existing protocols and made the net useful to a much wider range of people. That didn't even happen in the US, let alone under Gore's influence.
-- My Weblog.
While everybody on Slashdot flames Al Gore, I'll be an idiot and step in to the fire. Al Gore is not a charismatic man. Nobody debates that. But as far as Al Gore being some kind of regular politician, (or some kind of fake environmentalist/technology guy) well I want to disagree. No, Al Gore is not a rainforest specialist who's spent years researching strange tribes in the Amazon basin. What Al Gore seems to be is a regular guy who cares about important things that other national level politicians don't seem to pay attention to. Thus, Al Gore was the only US national politician who supported the Kyoto environmental meetings. If you think Al Gore is a fake environmentalist, well who does the Sierra Club or GreenPeace endorse?
/.'s to not jump on Gore's back for being a stiff, and remember that George Bush didn't back the Microsoft antitrust trial and republicans want to cut appropriations for the justice dept. antitrust division.
As far as Al Gore inventing the "Information Superhighway", well he made an idiot of himself. But remember your alternatives. George W. Bush scares the hell out of me, and I'm Texan. He's no better than Al Gore policy wise, and he cares jack about the environment. Liddy Dole might be nice, but her main themes mirror Bush's: decrease taxes, decentralize gov't, increase military spending. We're already doing that, and she doesn't have any other agendas. The other republicans are scary since they're two issue candidates: Raise Taxes and Turn everybody into a bible thumping christians.
I just want
Maybe i'm so paranoid because I'm black, and as J.C. Watt's father said (J.C. Watts is the only black republican congressman), a black person voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Can we all get together as geeks and line up to repeatedly kick him in the balls?
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or an 8" one (those really old bastards)
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People in grass houses shouldn't get stoned.
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
...at least in this part of Canada it is, anyway.
About the only place I've ever heard it pronounced "ruhwt" is on American TV.
Not that I'm dissing you or anything.
Hell, I don't even care. And that's my point. Some people pronounce it one way, some people pronounce it the other.
You say tomato, I say tomato, Quayle says tomatoe.
Get over it.
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
The Information Superhighway, according to Ned Flanders:
The Information Super-diddly-ooper-highway!
Ok, I'm sick.
:-)
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
Ummm... clueless stupid question...
What's so special about 1994 (The year that September never ended)?
I've seen a couple of references to it, but don't quite know what they're referring to.
Anyone care to enlighten me? Thanks.
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
Well... I would if I were American, anyway.
Seriously, though, Bob Dole actually seems to be one of the few US politicians around that has half a brain in his head. (hey... half a brain is better than none!)
I'd rather see him in office than his wife, but she's ok, too.
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
>Counting the seconds until he is out of office....
Jeez... you are an optimist, aren't you?
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
I wish we could hack congress and make *them* more efficient.
// do nothing
// NB this will never get executed
Hehe...
congress.c:
...
int loop_choice;
int time_waster;
do {
switch (loop_choice) {
case 1:
for (time_waster = 0; time_waster = 10000; time_waster++) {
}
break;
case 2:
waste_taxpayers_money();
break;
case 3:
approve_stupid_patents();
break;
case 4:
pass_moronic_laws();
break;
case 5:
inhibit_freedom_of_speech();
break;
default:
do_something_smart();
}
loop_choice = (loop_choice < 5) ? loop_choice : 1;
} until FALSE;
...
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
Thank you!
I know I've always found it strange when someone pronounced it "rowte"... just never quite knew why...
Now I know!
(NB: I'm not trying to dis anyone who pronounces it that way... just saying it sounds funny.)
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
Dammit! I screwed up... shows what happens when you don't proofread your code...
That 3rd to last line should read:
loop_choice = (loop_choice < 5) ? loop_choice++ : 1;
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
Thanks for the laugh... I needed that!
:-)
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
You didn't Initialize loop_choice either.
No shit... I didn't, did I?
Not only that, but in the "case 1:" block, the html swallowed the < in the
time_waster <= 1000;
bit.
Boy, is my face ever red!
(...on the other hand... stuff like that would explain how/why congress (doesn't) work...)
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- Sean
It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
- Sean
I enjoyed reading a sensible, moderated and balanced statement here, no matter of pro or contra Gore. It is embarrassing to witness the poor quality of political "discussion" here. I am European - currently studying in the US. My reason to come here was to learn more about the culture of this country and to better understand it. I also tried to understand why it has such a crappy foreign policy. Well, now i know the political culture of this country. To be precise the lovely WHITE political culture of this country. Its plain scary.
I think its funny that most of the stuff that people outside of this country love about the US has BLACK roots. Especially the music.
I do not exactly know what's gone wrong with the white American culture, after all they all are European descendants. Is it because Europe shipped all the religious fanatics to this continent? Is it because the philosophical Enlightenment movement never got a stronghold in the US? Or did the US just retain the unhealthy nationalism that burned Europe in the first half of this century? Hopefully the demographics in the US shift fast enough (I am talking decades here) to prevent the worst.
Fair enough Europeans are fairly ethnocentric too.
Here's a tip: don't go home yet. You don't understand American culture yet.
somehow contradicts the standard
Go away silly troll.
You can never understand a culture completely anyway, especially none as rich as the American. So I will go home this year anyway.
The religious folk didn't get "shipped" here; they fled here to escape your "philosophically enlightened" European governments.
I am aware of this. But I don't think there ever was an enlightened government - at least not to my knowledge would be nice though, wouldn't it?
Anyway the European governments at that time were certainly happy to get rid of people they perceived as potential trouble makers.
We are grateful beyond measure that your "philosophical Enlightenment" didn't arrive here in quite the same way it did in, say, France, where thousands went to the guillotine for the sake of this "Enlightened Philosophy."
No, i am not going to make a cheap reply in the technological advance of execution machines. I mean we know that the US always has the top of the line stuff.
For the record too, I think it ought to be said that Europeans weren't exactly innocent in the slave trade (lest you think that a uniquely American vice).
Look this is not for the record. It is not for saying yeah, we are so much greater because of ***bluberbluber --- fill in the space ***
I am just wondering why the political culture in this country differs so much from Europe. For example: Why do people believe religiously in the death penalty? Why is the sexual life of a politician more important than his legislative record? I try to understand this, and I am not claiming that i've got an compelling answer. You are more than welcome to enlighten me if you think you've got an answer.
When you speak of unhealthy nationalism -- let me make sure I understand. Do you mean the sort of "unhealthy nationalism" that is destroying Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Herzegovina, etc. right now? Sorry, no. We don't have any of that here (and yes, I wish we would keep our noses out your European problems. We have enough of our own).
Well, are you sure you don't have any of this? Nationalism and racism are an attitude, war is the most radical outcome. Many of what i see here worries me.
I don't know if you'll see this, since this topic has scrolled...but just in case :-)
:-)
Well, i saw it and appreciate the answers. Now of course I don't know if you will read it. Anyway I
guess we are the last to post new messages to this threat
Interestingly enough your answers highlights the amazing cultural difference, that I perceive between
Europe and the US. Let's take the first question. In most European countries prisons are
designed to reintegrate people into society. That means for example you offer them the
possibility to get an education in the prison. This idea is generally accepted and believe it or not
works reasonably well. Of course you will also find criminals who stay criminal, but to my
knowledge it fares statistically far better than the US prison system. Statistical results of
the justice system are the benchmarks for European politicians. For me it is very alien to mix
religion with that issue. I can just assume that on the other hand this rather emotionally detached
result oriented approach to "engineer" a justice system must sound very alien to most Americans.
To my knowledge their is no statistically significant study that shows that death penalty reduces the
number of capital crime. Interestingly enough there is a study showing that the capital crime rate in
Canada actually dropped after abolishing the death penalty.
Regarding the Clinton issue: I can see your legal standpoint. I am in no position to make a
judgment if those offense were for real or not. You said he lied under oath, well if that is a fact he
should be convicted for it. Most Europeans simply do not understand why these trials were not put
on hold until he is out of office, because the performance of the government is regarded as having
the higher priority than private trials. Of course you say it has been proofed that he is a rapist. I did
not follow that whole affair to closely, but I can not recall that he forced anybody to have sex. But
perhaps we have a different definition of rape.
If you made a survey in Europe regarding the question:
Does a politicians sexual appetite influence your voting decision?
You will find that a vast majority of people would answer you with a puzzled "No". Puzzled
because that question does not even make a lot of sense to them. They might ask you: Do you
mean that he/she has a very active sex live with different partners? If you answer "Yes" you might
end up with a minority of people saying "Yes, that influences my decision because such a lifestyle is
cool."
I assume that my positions seem rather strange to you, so you might doubt that a majority of
Europeans feel so differently. There is nothing i can do to "proof" this without major sociological
research (which i believe exists, but its not my specialty - coding is more fun). Perhaps a longer stay
in Europe would give you the same impression in terms how much European political and every-day
culture differs from the US.
Because it goes along with the job description. Seriously, there really isn't very much for a vice president to do.
Officially, the vice president can preside over the Senate. Once in a blue moon he or she can break ties in the Senate. The vice president is usually allowed to attend cabinet meetings.
If the president resigns or dies or becomes incompetent according to some set of criteria, the vice-president can become the president. Officially, the whole job is basically attending meetings, breaking tie votes in the senate, twiddling your thumbs, and waiting for people to die.
Unofficially, the vice president also gets to attend state funerals for people who weren't quite important enough for the president to bother to show up. That's more waiting for people to die.
Then after four or eight years of thumb-twiddling, the vice president gets to run for president. By definition, running for president involves saying idiotic and contradictory things to all kinds of people. And also smiling a lot.
Put it this way: if Al Gore had actually said "Well, the internet is just one of those things that exploded on the scene and surprised the heck out of all of us, even though I always kind of thought it had some potential," he would have been honest...and just as boring as ever. But by trying to take credit for the internet, he'll probably get a couple of hundred people to post vitriolic flames about him on /., and so become just a tiny bit less boring.
King Babar
Babar
That's been in the works for years.. It started off as a univeristy project.. Hmm.. I don't think that Gore is much of a tech nut, he seems more of a pussy whipped guy that does everything his wife say, and well I think she just wants the us to become the perfect christans(which she has shown to me that it's seems like the tottal opposite).. These comments are all IMO..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
No Really!!
Have you checked out Zoid.com yet? Zoid.com
We could threaten to slashdot CNNinteractive, eh?
I've been told that both the brothers bush will be running. Living in Austin, I'm sure to be able to update everyone on George Jr.'s campaign.
Whoough. Makes me almost wish we could have Mondale back. Oh well, time to waste my vote by voting libertarian.
I wish we could hack congress and make *them* more efficient.
Zagmar
Rout'er, n. One that finds a route.
Route, n. A path. Pronounced, variously, rowt and root.
How do you people pronounce "Roto-Router?"
Jeez. I say po'tay'to, you say po'tah'to. BFD.
Zagmar
Well, people tried to keep Clinton from getting elected by arguing that Hillary would be the real president...
I think the best thing to dis him for would be his continued support of clipper and his hardline opposition to stuff like public key crypto and decriminalizing the export of strong crypto. If any of you like Sun, Novell, etc, you might be interested that they can't sell shite to other countries because of the stupid crypto export restrictions.
Besides, while Tipper was the person behind the PMRC, Al was the one who told Dee Snyder (of Twisted Sister) "I am not a fan of your music."
God, I wish I still had my SST sticker that looked like the "Parental advisory" stickers, but said "Fuck parental advice. SST Records." Ahhh, those were carefree days.
Zagmar
Does this mean I gotta vote?
Ooh, maybe we can get "Hollywood" Hogan elected! Actually, that would just confirm in lots of people's minds that America has lost ours.
Good point about "wasted" votes, though. Perot (though he was insane) is another example of what a third or independent candidate can do. Just think if he had made some sense, he might have gotten elected.
Of course, my solution to the entire mess is to force every incumbent out of office, and make term limits of 12 years total. After all, government was never intended to be a lifetime career, rather a service to one's country. Kind of like open source: you make your contribution, and you let it go.
Zagmar
Well, it's called the "global marketplace." And Pat "sig heil" Buchanan can't do anything to change it. The fact is, the president was an invention for a common people who needed a king so they could put a face on the government. (It's a lot easier to rant about "that fucking Clinton jerk I didn't vote for" instead of really looking at what causes the problems with our government and our society.
And yes. Why don't we eliminate the idea of citizenship. Why not have a world government? One that can actually exercise some control over those corporations you are complaing about?
Nah, he just has a lot of time on his hands.
Zagmar
Because /rowt/ is another accepted pronunciation of route. And, also according to Webster's, "router", meaning something that routes, can be pronounced either way.
Check your dictionary. Webster's at least shows both pronunciations as acceptable.
Internet friendly...sure - the man who pushed for the clipper chip and wants to keep the restrictions on encryption technology is internet friendly...
-Nick
My name is Obi-Wan Kenobi. You killed my master. Prepare to die.
and Tipper censored it....
If Clinton invented the Internet he would call it the InternNet... Hehe :->
>As to moving the "closed research oriented internet" somewhere, there never was any such thing. Almost from the
>very beginning Internet was open to anybody who had a computer and a connection. I still remember my dial-up
>account on a BBS...
Um. No. If you are going to criticize stupid statements by politicians, it's best not to do it by making stupid statements yourself. Either your 'dial-up account on a BBS' was very late in Internet history (or more precisely, Arpanet-Internet history) or you were accessing something else, not the Internet. When I worked at DARPA, one of my jobs was maintaining the lists of what sites were authorized. It's only in the late 80s that you even got widescale student access and any commercial access at all, and not until the early nineties that you got widescale commercial access.
Almost from the very beginning. Ha.
That's almost as good as all the ISPs that were claiming 10 or 15 years experience in the 1997 Washington Post survey of local net access. As someone who knew very well that Grebyn was the sole entity that had existed more than five years ago.
Laura
OTOH, he has done a heck of a job of e-engineering stupid government processes, and saved the good citizens billions of dollars in red tape.
You can't be serious. The only true reduction in the size of the government has come from decimating the Military. A first hand account of this is what my father is currently doing. He retired as a State Trooper and later went to work providing security for the federal court system where he lives. This used to be the job of the U.S. Marshall's Service. So in a claim to reduce the size of gov. they got rid of that service... but they contracted it out to a private service at a higher rate than what it cost them in the first place, but that lets them claim they reduced the size of that divison of the gov.
Thats good, I forgot about that quote. Funny how he keeps claiming to be the technology expert yet continues to make stupid statements like this. If I don't know something I generally try to keep my mouth shut untill I know a little about it.
Lets not make such a big deal out of a small political comment
That small political comment was a LIE and he knows it. Just like Clinton lies about everything. People kept putting thier head in the sand and saying "well he only lied about sex", but the lies are a pattern of behavior with these people. Now they are lying about China, and their complicity in the advancement of China's nuclear wepons. Regan got us through the Cold War and these fools just dragged us right back in.
Suckers
It was not my intention to imply a conspiracy, just to show that lying is part of someones character. If they lie on the small stuff then they will lie on the big stuff. As far as a conspiracy I think in this case its more related to greeed. Clinton didn't want to step on the toes of his bigest campaign contributors.
The vehemence with which the right wing goes after Clinton has always baffled me. He's probably the most conservative Democrat since the "solid south" days.
"Whatever happened to fair use?"
-- Duff-Man
Although the food sucks
"Whatever happened to fair use?"
-- Duff-Man
Does not sound strange to me at all. I'm neither
an admin nor a pervert. Mhm...
life would be much easier if you could have a look at the sourcecode
The link above (excerpting net.wars?) attributes this notion to the alt.culture.usenet FAQ.
- rod
What state do you live in???
Can I move there..
My state usualyl only has the two canidates..and barly has even perot last time
Republicans?? HAHAH read your history on which individuals in government had the most negative effects on personal privacy. And you will note it is largly Democrats (I'm a independent by the way)
Republicans though while have this certain moral code thing, they don't believe in invading privacy to achieve such ends.. Though I'm sure you can find some cases, they would be few and far between the cases comming from the democrats
Simple English language tutorial here:
When a letter is followed by an 'e', then you pronounce it as it you were saying the letter alone.
Example:
Since the Americans actually came from Britain in the first place, all these differences are clearly their own doing - I don't mean to flame, that's just how history has it.
Anyone ever noticed that Al Gore might be Bill Gates way into the White House? Therefore by Al saying HE created the internet; he is talking from a Bill Gates brainwashed victim POV? It makes you think, Doesn't It?
Well, it is if you speak British English.
;) )
(we invented it guys
Al Gore isn't responsible for making the internet what it is today... The commercial backing and educational backing of the internet has shaped it into what it is now. Gore is just an idiot trying to get some credit where it is definately NOT due. The internet was alive and kicking and growing on its own without any help from Gore.
He'd make a terrible president, BTW. I'm definately NOT voting for him.
Danno
http://www.techserver.com/story/0,1643,26978-43529 -322106-0,00.html
The republicans are having a field day with this...
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
That's a great idea, a world government. It will be run just like the United Nations, only less efficiently! If such inefficiency is possible to achieve.
The Balkan states apparently won't be satisfied until each person has a republic consisting only of himself. We're moving away from world government instead of toward it.
Not that world government is a good thing. Yeah, I want to split my vote with Red China, fundamentalists of every single religion, and the Incredible Climbing Tax Rate of Europe and Canada. Come to think of it, I don't want to split my vote with American fools either. I want my own republic.
What Would Jesus Do
(for a Klondike bar)?