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Fitch downgrades Nokia rating
Nokia Rating Cut Further Into Junk by S&P
Nokia Cut Further Into Junk by Moody’s

Things might have improved now that MS took over, but then again, they could be much better if they hadn't touched that shit in the first place.

iPhone ... was what people now wanted, and continue to want.

Yes, the iPhone brought smartphones to the mainstream - a new style of smartphones, even. Can't deny that. Yet you overestimate its "hook" on users: if everyone's so crazy about it, how come Android has surpassed it? I think there was room in the market for MeeGo, which, unlike WP, carriers actually intended to support.

The iPhone has actually never been the most popular in the UK FWIW.

It's early iterations were overshadowed by sales of Nokia's phones, the N95 outsold it by a wide margin and the N96 just beat it. It was the top seller around the 3GS but by the 4 it had already been pushed into second place by Samsung - Samsung was outselling Apple here in the UK before it was outselling it globally so the UK was ahead of the trend in that respect.

It's still a big market for Apple but that's largely because it's a major smartphone market full stop so profits are good whoever you are, but Apple's time as the top seller was relatively fleeting in the UK compared to markets like the US, and even to a lesser extent the global market.

See here for example to note how far behind Apple's handsets are in the UK:

http://www.intomobile.com/2013/02/07/samsung-smartphones-top-charts-uk-january/

Well they certainly were not kind to the Woz on looks in this movie. Go back and look at the Woz in the 70's not today. He was a good looking guy, arguably better looking then Jobs. Aston Kutcher does look like Jobs in some of the other pics, remarkably so. http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/steve_wozniak_steve_jobs11-660x465.jpg

Interesting. I would then wonder whether or not wifi useage on the devices are used, just out of curiosity sake. But that sounds like a reasonable response.

iPhone Owners Twice as Likely to Use Wi-Fi As Android Owners

Nearly 70% of American Android users can’t figure out how to connect to a WiFi network

"The N900 might have been this neat little device but clearly it sold poorly or Nokia wouldn't have ditched it."

Your entire post starts from a false assumption. Actually, it sold really well considering. Some estimates are over 1mm. Here's some substantiation:

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/01/how-many-n900-units-has-nokia-sold/

This was a phone with no subsidies, no marketing or advertising, not compatible with anything else...

OK, then of course, the N9 must have been a sales failure, right? Nope.

http://www.quora.com/Is-the-Nokia-N9-MeeGo-handset-still-outselling-Nokias-Windows-Phone-7-handsets-February-2012

Again, no subsidies, no advertising - and Elop shitting all over it, disowning it, etc.

If anything, it looks like Nokia made the absolutely wrong decision. It's almost as if there was an agenda that wasn't primarily motivated by profit or unit sales. Hmmm.

"I didn't say that, I said the goal is not to make profit. In fact how about "preserve future profits".

So you didn't say the goal of a company is not to make a profit but you said it is not to make a profit?

And strangely enough, they seem to be growing profitabilty,,,,Are you suggesting that Apple won't see year over year growth in 2013? 2014? 2015?

"Your right growing revenues "unprofitably" is not a recipe for success [its not true]"

So, if they grew revenue by adding MMI and MMI is losing money, what is that if not growing revenue unprofitably?

"The fact that it is affecting third party development support is a simply another sign."

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/12/20/google-play-grows-app-store-king/

" Because right now I see Google investing in their future"

You obviously haven't looked at Apple's long term capital expenditures,,,,

"The Motorola deal cuts their tax bill because Google is vastly profitable :)"

You get "tax breaks" on losses. Losing money to pay less taxes is not a "strategy".

"Since when did selling one million devices a month become a bad thing :"

http://allthingsd.com/20120711/googles-nexus-7-costs-152-to-make-ihs-isuppli-teardown-finds/

And it sells for $199. Of course Asus doesn't make the whole $58 per device, they sell it at a discount to wholesellers.

"The reality is companies make massive profits from Android phones...don't pretend otherwise"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-google-motorola-idUSBRE8930L020121004

"Google Inc raised its estimate of the cost of job cuts at its money-losing Motorola Mobility unit in the third quarter and warned of "significant" additional charges from further restructuring."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444897304578043782276831090.html

"HTC Profit Falls 79% Amid Competition "

http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/23/sony-mobile-to-lay-off-off-1000-people-as-part-of-restructuring/

"Today, Android OEM Sony announced that its loss-making mobile handset division Sony Mobile Communications would be laying out 15% of its workforce "

LG's profit is far from massive....
http://bgr.com/2012/10/24/lg-q3-2012-earnings-138-6-million-dollars/

So where are all of these Android manufacturers that are making tons of profits?

Apple accounts for 60% of the profit in the mobile industry.

http://www.intomobile.com/2012/11/14/asymco-apple-and-samsung-account-99-smartphone-profits-q3-htc-and-lg-only-other-profitable-companies/

"You need to make up your mind what you are arguing with Apples store. I have one point, Apples pursuit of Profits over market share is stupid, "

So, if it were stupid, then how does it make 60% of all mobile profit?

"It also means less money from its store."

Facts are your friends.....
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/12/20/google-play-grows-app-store-king/

"Apple does not make an awful lot of money from the computer market."

So which PC company makes more money selling computers than Apple makes selling Macs?

" I notice that the Chromebook is the best selling device on Amazon."

Yes and Amaz

Can someone explain to me why "storing, retrieving, and analyzing molecular biology data" is considered to be its own field, where people actually get degrees specifically in bioinformatics, while storing, retrieving, and analyzing any other sort of data is just software engineering/computer science?

Not trying to troll or bait flames, I'm genuinely wondering if there's something I'm missing, or if there's just hype about "biochemistry, now with *computers*!" I've taken my plain vanilla CS degree to a wide array of fields including information security, space science, telephony, and e-commerce. What makes processing strings of ACTG different than processing other strings? Thanks.

Found this off a search for "cheapest Nokia":

"The Nokia 103 is dust resistant, comes with an âoeanti-scratch coverâ, has a 1.36 inch black and white display, flashlight, an FM radio (requires a headset), and an 800 mAh battery that should give you 27 days of standby time or 11 hours of talk time. Size and weight: 107.2 mm x 45.1 mm x 15.3 mm; 77 grams."

16 Euros or $21. No camera.

'nuff said.

Hello! Apple was threatening to SUE Motorola over swipe to unlock and others right when Microsoft threaned to sue them over FAT and ActiveSync. Motorolla fired back with actual litigation against the agressors. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Corrections:

Apple did not just threaten to sue Motorola over Swipe-to-Unlock, it actually did sue them and won. Swipe to unlock is a common idea, present long before any sort of smartphone or touch-screen device ever had it, and is entirely a software patent.

Motorola sued Apple and won over the method the 3G radio chips use to time the signals to and from the tower. A hardware and software patent that is exclusively relevant to 3G mobile devices.

Apple has been the clear aggressor all along, and their patent claims are largely trollish and petty rather than valid technical patents. Please stop spreading disinformation.

Looking at the version history for android (and a few other sources), they contradict you.

I couldn't be bothered to go back before eclair but I'm pretty sure it follows a similar pattern:
Eclair - Release date: October 26, 2009. Source code release date: Nov 16th 2009 (source)
Froyo - Release date: May 20, 2010. Source code release date: Jun 23rd 2010 (source)
Ice Cream Sandwich - Release date: October 19, 2011. Source code release date: November 14, 2011
Jelly Bean - Release Date: not available on a shipping device yet. Source code release date: July 9, 2012

Now I know they didn't release Honeycomb in a timely fashion but gave reasons in advance for that. As that code forms part of the version history for Ice Cream Sandwhich you still have it available to you. However, I don't think you can say that they are particularly slow in releasing their code. And let's look at the definite positive here: they are releasing the source code!.

Nokia also sold some patents to Sisvel to go patent trolling with. I thought I read they had several of these out there. So they can keep this up all day, suing the same people over and over. And Nokia isn't the only one. So the only way to win this is to just not ever pay the Dane.

There's no reason you can't do that already with a smart phone. And somebody already faked that:

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/01/11/nude-it-iphone-app-uses-augmented-reality-to-show-your-friends-naked-not/

I've actually seen the reverse: augmented reality stuck on web cams to add silly hats and other things to people.

So what do you suggest? Make corporations immune to fines and damages? Yes, their customers will have to pay off the judgement. IF they stay their customers. There is nothing stopping them from going to the competition (which will of course raise their prices, due to the sudden high demand).

According to this article, in early 2011 AT&T had roughly 96 million customers. They can pay back a paltry $50 million dollar fine by increasing their customers monthly fee by 50 cents for one month.

I suggest making the management responsible. Depending on the level of collusion (an investigation will need to take place) certain managers should be fined or even jailed. This would certainly discourage others from hiding behind the 'corporations are people' bullshit while committing crimes that citizens would be locked away for. Another alternative is making the fine so large that they could not afford to pass it on to their customers - of course this will likely take the company down anyway, but who cares? You do the crime, you do the time.

Apple's got a patent on this.

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/11/04/apple-patents-idea-virtual-sim-card-operators-around-world-freak-out/

Apples a bit late to the automobile integration game.

It's no secret that RIMs QNX car application platform *actually* powers over 20 million vehicles on the road. They've already taken integration to a whole new level:

QNX lets BlackBerry PlayBook become in-car controller

The QNX car app platform can power your vehicle’s in-car monitors, including the speedometer and the entertainment unit. [...] you can easily bring things like Pandora or even YouTube to you in-car entertainment unit as well as have realistic maps or song album covers overlaid next to your speedometer.
[...] The BlackBerry PlayBook can then be used to control the climate in the car and you can also get the media from the device over to your car’s entertainment unit with just a few clicks.
QNX also showed off how BlackBerry Traffic can be integrated into the in-car unit via Bluetooth and this provides live, turn-by-turn navigation with an emphasis on how long it will actually take you to get there

RIM's strong relationship with Porche is no secret either (see the Porche designed BlackBery 9981) Concept Porsche Shows Off RIM QNX

QNX shows off its versatility, powers OnStar accessories

Police are also starting to use RIM's in-vehicle technologies: Cop Conference Features BlackBerry PlayBook As Law Enforcement Tool Some details: Serving and Protectingwith a BlackBerry PlayBook

It keeps getting better New QNX Platform to Transform the Automotive Experience

You could say that less than impressed with Siri in the Mercedes after seeing what RIM is doing in the same arena with their technology.

Challenge accepted. Weather app designs that don't look like Apple's:

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All of these look just fine and aren't inconvenient.

The problem is that most of the uneducated masses don't care about privacy and don't see a need for it.

No, just no. The unwashed masses simply and understandably don't want lacking usability and battery life as a trade-off for more privacy, just because that's the choice products on the market offer. Since the small advantages of Andoid regarding privacy options are destroyed by vendors (with their tinkering and apps) and carriers, the best compromise is still a dumbphone if you can live without a mobile browser, or otherwise iOS if you can't and don't want to spend days trying to figure out how to make your Android installation secure (doubtful if you can).

"Apple has 50% of profit share from smartphone makers, can’t hear the haters behind huge wall of cash"
Apple crowned No. 1 with biggest market cap

I wish I could fail as well as Apple does.

Are you kidding? Unless you are paid by Apple or a Zombie, can do you really believe and iPhone is any better and a T-Mobile G2 or any high end Android handset?

Really? Want some Apple flavored Kool Aid?

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/05/t-mobile-says-lack-of-iphone-is-hurting-performance/

I guess the CEO of T-Mobile is a "fanboi"

Deutsche Telekom CEO Rene Obermann says, âoeâConsumers like T-Mobile but they also want to have the iPhone.â

Worthless for anything that requires typing because typing on an on-screen keyboard is a nightmare.

Beats the hell out of using thumbs on a screen a quarter of the size, though, don't it? Or for that matter, why not use voice recognition? If you haven't looked at it lately, you really really should. Google's voice recognition is simply worlds better than that old dragon was, and without spending 6 hours training it to recognize an individual's voice, either. Sit down with it for half an hour and actually train it, and it supposedly gets better... but I didn't bother because it works so well "out of the box".

Terrible web browsing experience.

Not as terrible as trying to use a laptop or netbook while standing up on a moving bus.

Rubbish for gaming because of the lack of physical controls.

Pocket Legends has over a million users. There are literally millions of downloads of console emulators. EVE Online is also coming to the mobile space. StarCraft looks like it was MADE for a touchscreen interface. Last but not anywhere near least, the Xperia Play - and if you go over my comment history, you will see that I absolutely hate Sony, so I'm the last guy anyone would expect to be pimping their products.

Useless for watching videos because who wants to hold their display while watching a film.

Try looking for protective cases that have kickstands built in, or just go low-tech and use a document holder. Duh.

Can't be used for any RealWork such as programming, graphic design, stock trading or anything else.

I'll grant some of this point. With typing being more difficult due to a lack of keyboard, coding would be a pain... assuming you don't change the interface. But I'm going to have to call "citation needed" on your "graphic design", your "stock trading", and with 4.5 billion app downloads last month just on the official android market and over 100,000 apps specifically for iPads released in the past 16 months, your "anything else".

I can't really think what else they could be used for.

There's really only a few things that PCs are better at, and that's a combination of sheer horsepower and input hardware. Toss a bluetooth keyboard into the mix, add a kickstand to the back, and 90% of the PC market will evaporate as people realize they don't need a $1200 monster to check their email and surf the web. Admittedly, that's just replacing a PC with a different piece of hardware... but I will point out that hospitals and law firms figured out that tablets roxor their soxors years ago.

In other words, Tablet + WiFi + content server = It's not the tablet that's useless for most people, it's the PC. With the advent of streaming media and wireless connec

Tell that to John Carmack
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/01/quake-founder-john-carmack-iphone-better-than-dedicated-gaming-systems/
http://www.bnet.com/blog/gadget-guy/john-carmacks-rage-why-the-iphone-game-is-a-success/1038
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/19/ids-carmack-talks-rage-hd-ipads-power-and-future-ios-games/

And you can google many more interviews and statements of him backing up phone gaming as the platform that will win in the long run. Unless you are implying Carmack does not care about specs.

A few individual companies suing each other over patent disputes is one thing. When Apple is going out and suing ANYONE who has anything to do with an Android phone (which is raping the iPhone in sales and market share), that's using litigation over innovation.

An oldie but a goodie, this graphic should be updated but it shows the problem doesn't lie with Apple but with the general state of mobile computing at the moment. Everyone is suing everyone else, a side effect of mobile being the most competitive business out there at the moment (a good thing.) Apple is just more visible because everything they do is news, apparently.

As to Android "raping" Apple in marketshare, all Android manufacturers combined have 38% of the market while Apple by itself owns 27% of the market and a whopping 50% of the profits. That's a pretty comfortable position. Worst comes to worst, long term they end up with something resembling their mac marketshare now, another profitable business if not a cash-cow.

As for innovative products? I'm not sure what you're talking about when they make minor improvements to hardware without adding new features (usually - they did finally put a front facing camera on) and copying OS features from other mobile OS's..... I had an iPhone a couple years ago when it was the best and most innovative thing out there - now it's not, so I moved on.

That's the Apple Way(tm), great leap forward followed by incremental improvement. That's why they spent a decade tweaking the iPod and why you find people who don't get it bitching about the (perceived) lack of new features in OSX releases. What Apple don't do is feature bloat, in many cases they even prefer to cut rather than to add. Personally I like it but many don't, especially the more hardcore spec-obsessed geeks. Thing is, taking away things and improving the UI and user experience is also innovation. For an example look no further than Google Search's famously uncluttered interface which was innovative in its portal-riddled day (though possibly accidentally so.)

If Windows Phone 7 turns into the best mobile OS with the best hardware next year, I'll ditch Android for WP7. I'm not a fanboy - I go with who's producing the best product for the best price. Sadly, Apple fails on both counts - but I blame that on Lord Jobs arrogance in knowing that he can literally sell dog shit with an Apple sticker on it (iShit) and fanboys will pay hundreds of dollars for this (literally) useless piece of shit. Why innovate when your core customer base is so religiously devoted to you that they will always unquestionably buy anything you tell them to?

Saying you're not a fanboy (I really hate that word, it's the "nigger" of the geek world), and then spouting off nonsense like "Lord Jobs", "iShit", "religiously devoted", etc doesn't jive. Keep it rational and factual. You and I have a different idea of what makes up the ideal smartphone that's all. All these insults just confuse and inflame.

You don't need a cellular contract, and many parents now buy their kids a plan. A kind of digital leash, if you will.

Even if you didn't have a cellphone, you don't need one to get iOS or Android via iPods and Galaxy Player. Plenty of students have iPods now.

The same guys Steve Jobs identified as terrorists?

That AC isn't making more shit up ... you, Mr. AC, are just too lazy to Google. A quick Google of "angry birds android ad revenue" pulled up a PAGES full of results similar to this one:

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/03/angry-birds-android-1-million-ad-revenue/

Is that black bomb egg on your face, or is it from a flock of blues?

hahaha. they refuse third party apps is more like what they do. How's that firefox/chrome doing on iOS?

Also, how's all those apps that are arbitrarily refused and/or apps that clearly were not vetted. You think they vet every google app that comes across or can actually control what is used?? Hello HTML5 on that.

It has one of the most intuitive user interfaces ever. So much that even the noobiest of tech/computer users can figure it out. Perhaps if they can't understand how the amazingly easy to use the iphone UI is, they need a dummies book or one of these

What Samsung did was totally uncreative and somewhat shameless, but not illegal.

Shameless? I call it inevitable. Samsung has historically nearly always had a black bezel around their screens. As pressures to increase screen size rose they started getting bigger, and hiding keyboards in slide out bits at the bottom, and the screens continued to have black bezels, and phones... well phones come in all shapes and colours including rounded edges making the phone almost circular and the ludicrously straight edges.

So my question to you is, when the world moves to a platform that emphasizes touch, on-screen keyboards, and the pressures are to maximize usable area while minimizing the size of the phone, what would you design? Ultimately you'll end up reducing the number of buttons, and making a phone that looks like every other fucking phone.

Is it shameless that I put my computer in a grey box? Is it shameless that my nextdoor neighbour builds a house that has 4 walls and a roof just like mine?

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/02/android-in-app-purchase/

You'll notice that US 4G equipment is also not bleeding edge. Or even defined as 4G.

And the US is the center of the universe and the only market apple sells to.

You'll notice that US 4G equipment is also not bleeding edge. Or even defined as 4G.

Maybe he meant it in the sense of VP8 isn't ever going to cause a mobile phone device manufacturer to develop, test and deploy an update to their firmware to support a new codec

Google is the primary maintainer of the firmware for numerous smartphones with numerous SOCs. The market share of phone's running a Google operating system has already surpassed Apple and is headed for RIM. Google also owns the (permissively licensed) copyright and patent in VP8. So Nexus phones will get VP8 first just as they get other Android updates first, and then other phones will get it as they update Android. Have I already linked you this article about hardware acceleration of VP8?

Google will not successfully get the vast majority of non-Nexus phones upgraded. Just taking a peak at Motorola for example shows that the Charm, Cliq XT, Devour, Flipout, i1 and Milestone are all finished with upgrades in the US. The rest of the world didn't look too much better.

Sony hasn't made anyone feel good with the X10, now have they? And they had some other even more orphaned phone.

You honestly expect any significant percentage of already shipped non-Nexus phones to have WebM acceleration delivered via updates to end users within the next 1-2 years? Your article, was a bit light on details by the way. Google making information available doesn't exactly equate to "upgrades forthcoming".

Samsung hasn't exactly endeared themselves to the community either, with accusations of holding back updates to make newer phones seem more attractive.

So let's see, WebOS 2 not shipping to existing Pre/Pixi devices, Apple not supporting WebM, Android updates hit or miss depending on phone and carrier, no concrete news from Microsoft and their partners. You really sure WebM is going to take over mobile video streaming? Or even make a dent?

Maybe he meant it in the sense of VP8 isn't ever going to cause a mobile phone device manufacturer to develop, test and deploy an update to their firmware to support a new codec

Google is the primary maintainer of the firmware for numerous smartphones with numerous SOCs. The market share of phone's running a Google operating system has already surpassed Apple and is headed for RIM. Google also owns the (permissively licensed) copyright and patent in VP8. So Nexus phones will get VP8 first just as they get other Android updates first, and then other phones will get it as they update Android. Have I already linked you this article about hardware acceleration of VP8?

Only because Nokia was overvalued to begin with. If moving to WP7 is the end of the world as they know it, then maintaining Symbian while launching MeeGo as a pathetic alternative the other much better developed ecosystems (actually including WP7) means that their world was already over.

At the end of the day, it does not make a difference whether they managed to jump to WP7, Android, iOS, WebOS or even BlackBerry OS. The key is that they needed to either build yet another competitive ecosystem, which they appeared unable to do, or join one. They chose the one that enabled them to exceptionally reduce their R&D budget, which was also on a roller coaster ride out of control while bearing no fruits (somehow they were spending over 400% of Apple's R&D budget and still only pumping out the irrelevant Symbian and MeeGo).

It's already here. There's also McAfee, AVG and various others available.

Nokia shipped 123.7 million phones in 2010 Q4. Out of them smart phones were the quoted 31 million. So the summary should say that Android overtakes Symbian in the smart phone segment, not all mobile phones. Those over 90 million phones are cheaper models running S40 etc. That makes Symbian still the most-shipped mobile platform.
Sources:
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/27/nokia-q4-2010-sales-up-profits-down/
http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1482864

Google didn't miss it at all. They're well aware that they need hardware acceleration to really catch on, which is why they're putting in the effort to make hardware acceleration easy to implement.

I thought Computerworld was the one that successfully trolled Slashdot anti-MS zealots by faking Vista and Windows 7 benchmarks? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/why-we-dont-trust-devil-mountain-software-and-neither-should-you/31024

Vista was okay if there was no OEM crap and on speedy hardware with loads of RAM and your hardware and software was supported. That's why it worked for some. Coloring all of them as sockpuppets is juvenile.

And do you have a citation for the Kin's 30k facebook friends and under 1k friends? Thought there were only 9000 earlier.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/08/microsoft-kin-facebook-app-shows-over-8800-active-kin-phones-debunk/

WP7 has polish and is ultra smooth and the metro UI is really innovative and good. If it was made by Apple, people would be singing praises of it over here ad nauseum. Cut and paste is coming in an update this month and has already been demoed at CES. And there are LOTS of non-geeks who don't care about multitasking. It's a good 1.0 product but MS is not pushing updates fast enough.

MS has the financial muscle to see it through. Remember Windows 1.0, the original XBOX, Word, Excel etc.?

Android +1, iOS -1 http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/27/vlc-player-android/

Take for example the popular Angry Birds game - the developers have outright said they just cannot support all the different Android devices.

From http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/03/angry-birds-android-1-million-ad-revenue/

So how successful is the ad-based model? Rovio did not state in this video but Vesterbacka has been quoted as saying “By end of year, we project earnings of over $1 million per month with the ad-supported version of Angry Birds”

Man, I'd love to have so much money that I don't even try to expand my market.

Sometimes a picture can tell more than 1k words

ITYM most Archos tablets.

And I'm still waiting for Google to grow a clue and let HTC and other manufacturers put the Google apps on a cheaper version without a cellular radio, so that I don't need to pay $1679.76 over the course of a 24-month service commitment. That's how much Sprint.com just quoted me for the cheapest service plan that works with the EVO 4G.

Have you considered buying the phone outright, with no contract? It looks like you can do that for less than a third of the price you quoted.

There are many options for getting service on it once you've purchased it, including no service at all... Perhaps skype over wifi?

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/20/rooted-android-passwords-plain-text/

i do not think that image is correct. nokia settled with qualcomm long ago.

This is correct. The big-deal-settlement and agreement occured in July of 2008, and now the companies are working together on getting Snapdragon-enabled Nokia smartphones out the door in 2010.

I would know... I'm a Qualcomm employee.

My understanding from press reports is that you're correct--it is GSM only. That means T-Mobile can be in on the launch party, and if the rumors are true they will be with the HD7. http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/23/htc-hd7-specs-windows-phone-7-t-mobile/

You mean right after they came out with a new phone OS, they'll get rid of it?

That'll play well with developers.

• OSnews: QNX Will Make Its Way to BlackBerry Smartphones, Too
• intomobile: RIM VP Confirms PlayBook QNX OS Will Replace BlackBerry OS

"Apparently, the idea is to first launch BlackBerry OS 7, which will be sort-of a transitional release to prepare developers for the launch of the eventual QNX-based operating system."

So, time to STFU now? Plz k thnx.

(Also why the fuck would they had bought QNX if they didn't intend to use it.)

which phone has a 3x better GPU? I'm genuinely curious. What benchmarks?

The GPU of the iPhone 4 can render 28 million triangles per second. The GPU of the Samsung Galaxy S can do 90 million triangles per second. Both those phones are using the same Samsung processor, the Hummingbird (even if Apple is calling it something else), so don't get any idea about the iPhone 4 having a faster processor in this case (but an inferior GPU), you couldn't even make that point if you wanted to.

As for a bigger screen, how big do you want? I think some of the 5" devices are a little bit big. I'd rather not go back to wearing a beltclip from 1996 for my phone, thanks.

Give it to me as big as the iPhone 4, except without the large ridiculous border around it. Go into a store, compare some of the high end HTC Android phones with your iPhone 4, and I think you'll reluctantly see what I'm talking about.

it's not a coincidence that nearly all other phones on the planet are smaller than that.

Of course not, but the parent was arguing about why some of the Android phones were some of the most expensive ones on the market (even more expensive than the iPhones). So it stands to reason "that nearly all other [smaller] phones on the planet" are not necessarily an indication of anything, aside from the obvious that they're probably cheaper than the ones with larger screens. In any case, my original point remains. Make me a phone as big as the iPhone 4, but without the ridiculous large border around it.

Super-AMOLED is fail, and even Samsung is moving away from it now.

I'll need a citation from you. The two latest Galaxy Tablets are using LCD screens, granted, but that's because they have much larger screens to cover and the supply chain (even the one that Samsung owns) wouldn't be able to keep up for Christmas. Otherwise, everything else that I've found so far shows the opposite, so I'll assume that you must know something new that contradicts the mainstream technical press. The Samsung Super-AMOLED screens are amazingly awesome compared to the iPhone 4 screen, or even the large HTC screens.

I'm not even going to bother breaking down your ChromeOS v. Android comparison.

Good, because this wasn't even a point I was arguing, nor was it relevant to the main points, I was just clarifying the difference for the parent (and many of the other posters on Slashdot) who seem to think that Android and Chrome OS are somehow completely interchangeable (And yes, before someone says it, you can put an Android OS on a Netbook originally designed for Windows, but being able to do so doesn't mean that it's actually a good idea).

Heck I am not sure what Brightstar is, probably a carrier right. Ok first, carriers do not manufature phones neither does Google, carriers just sell existing phones sometimes rename them and add junk under the name branding and lock them in.

Either way here is a link on how you can order the nexus one a http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/08/nexus-one-available-sell-out-on-google-developer/

The first batch outsold quickly over at googles dev shop, the second one just seemed to have rolled in.

Unless it is a motorola on verizon. They like to give you the hardware, but no ability to take full advantage of it. Gotta buy more to use what you already "own": http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/30/droid-x-gets-full-hdmi-output-courtesy-of-real-hdmi/