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Officer Justin Rapp, the person who actually pulled the trigger, testified about the event and said he didn't see a gun, just saw him moving briefly towards his waist: https://www.kansas.com/news/lo...

Pretty much matches up with the other descriptions given - not sure why so few news outlets mention the officer's name.

Here's a news story with a picture of the dog. Cute doggy:

https://www.kansas.com/news/lo...

Here's the body cam video:

https://www.kansas.com/news/lo...

Why walk through a dark house on high alert, ready to open fire, when there are 4 preteen children there? Keeping people safe — especially young children — should always be the priority. Does police training skip over that? It really makes you wonder.

Here's a news story with a picture of the dog. Cute doggy:

https://www.kansas.com/news/lo...

Here's the body cam video:

https://www.kansas.com/news/lo...

Why walk through a dark house on high alert, ready to open fire, when there are 4 preteen children there? Keeping people safe — especially young children — should always be the priority. Does police training skip over that? It really makes you wonder.

" It's not acceptable to kill innocent people, even by mistake. I guarantee this situation will happen again and we should do what is in our power to prevent it."

You can't base punishment based on time-travel evidence. Hindsight is 20-20. This is why he wasn't charged, 'dude'.

"But keep in mind, nobody else shot the man. There were other cops."

Yes -- and the video was reviewed from each body-cam. Many of the officers had a different vantage point and didn't shoot because it wasn't clear what he was doing -- maybe pulling up his pants. The one officer who shot, along with a few other officers at a different location (and confirmed by their body cam footage), it APPEARED he was pulling and aiming a gun.

https://www.kansas.com/news/lo...

""This shooting should not have happened," he said. "But this officer’s decision was made in the context of the false call.""

"The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun, Bennett said."

Interesting how I don't read too many stories about Republicans trying to register illegal aliens and dead people to vote yet every 2 years it happens in Chicago, California, Detroit.

Funny how you don't read stories like this one then.

Meanwhile, your claims of dead people being registered to vote are as bogus as the claims about busloads of illegal voters.

How do we know? Because we found out they lived.

Legit question for you AC- are there any legit reasons to try to suppress voter fraud? And I mean the real fraud committed by people, not the mysterious claims of machines miscounting their votes.

Flawed vote counting is actually a good concern. Why exclude it?

But here's your problem. They aren't trying to suppress voter fraud. By their own documented admission, they are trying to gain partisan advantages by suppressing the actual voter participation.

A common theme in American history. And all the false hysteria that are the mantra of the Kobach's and O'Keefe's of the world only further serves to weigh against the GOP.

I already did, elsewhere in this thread.

Then link to it.

You'll notice that he doesn't offer any citation or evidence for this anecdote. Just that it happened.

https://www.kansas.com/news/po...

"Another 34 were identified by the Sedgwick County Election Office when staff attended naturalization ceremonies to register new citizens and discovered some were already registered."

But like they say in obligatory xkcd, most people aren't murderers.

Most people aren’t swatters, either - but unfortunately a few think it’s funny. And those sorts of people seemed to be wired not to blame themselves when their “prank” goes very wrong.

Who's saying that?

The district attorney declined to prosecute the officer.

The police did their own review as well as a citizen review board. You have to read through several links to get to that. The information is in this article http://www.kansas.com/news/loc.... I can't access the game subsection on Slashdot at work so maybe the information is there as well.

We have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight here. You have to realize that if the situation describe over the phone was actual true, not taking the shot could have gotten an entire family killed.

That's when they pull out your gun and shoot your tires. Which they should have done in the first place anyway. Especially since they have big vehicle in front of you anyway (or at your side, or whatever).

Depends, are we talking civilian/LEO use or military use. For the later, yeah, blow that shit to bits. For law enforcement, no, you do not shoot at a car regardless of whatever stupid shit we see on TV, not unless you have serious circumstances to save life and limb (yours or someone else.) Once the bullet leaves the barrel you have no control where it goes, but you almost certainly have the responsibility of what/who it hits accidentally or not.

That's why there are things like spike strips and caltrops (even if they aren't perfect solutions themselves, see here.

There is video: http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

"Swatting is attempted murder. It's time we treated it as such"

And if someone who's unarmed is shot, the cops should be charged, too.
http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

Sorry, link failure. This police shooting.

A police officer is not likely to face prosecution, much less jail time, for an accidental killing unless they were guilty of _gross_ misconduct at the scene. Nor should they, it seems, based on what they could reasonably have believed when they entered the home.

The audio of the 911 call is available at http://www.kansas.com/news/loc... . The call sounded like a confused man who had just shot one of his parents dead, with other live people in the house. That is a frightfully dangerous situation for everyone, officers and potential victims alike. For an officer on the scene, who is informed of one dead victim already and informed that the caller refuses to put down their weapon before police arrive, slow response puts many people at risk, including other potential victims in the house.

They had the caller WHO THEY BELIEVED THEY WERE SHOOTING on the phone AT THE TIME THEY WERE SHOOTING HIM, and didn't bother to interact with him using the established communications channel AT ALL.

At the end of the day, the police officer has a legal responsibility to say "do I see anything which says I need to discharge my weapon to protect the safety of myself or a citizen?".

And, I'm sorry, but if you roll up on a place and can't reconcile what you've been told with what you can plainly see, a little restraint is required from you.

What, exactly, was the kid who got shot doing when he got shot?

Everything I've seen suggests a cop with an itchy trigger finger and ZERO confirmation of a damned thing. Sorry, but being a police office doesn't mean you get to shoot first and ask questions later.

"A male came to the front door," Livingston said. "As he came to the front door, one of our officers discharged his weapon."

Livingston didn't say if the man, who was 28, had a weapon when he came to the door, or what caused the officer to shoot the man.

That's from the original news story here.

That smacks of a cop who was pissing his pants or was just so excited to shoot he didn't wait. And that is a fucking criminal act.

The actual shooting?? That's 100% on the cops.

The police found Barriss fast, when they tried hard to find him. kansas.com says,

He had been held at the 77th Street Precinct Jail in South Los Angeles following his arrest Friday afternoon – less than 24 hours after the call was made.

Scroll down for the video of the shooting http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

The emphasis on the nature of the 911 call is a diversion. Who shot the guy?

Looks like the kid complied at first, then went into an aggressive stance. He was unarmed.

After watching the body cam, it's a bit pathetic. Maybe there should be better quality cameras on the dash. I think I've had better quality from 10year old cameras, if the intention is to show that the criminals are misbehaving, this quality really lets the police down.

Here's the link from TFA:

http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

The Democrat party should have exited autopsy mode already: After all, the principal actor has declared it's not her fault.

And she's right. There's really little in the way of fault on Hillary Clinton, the election turned on a centuries old mechanism that is flawed and broken, for anyone living to be at fault, they'd have had to have a time machine. At most, you can regret not fixing it, but it isn't like they didn't try.

Sure, you can say Hillary could have done things differently, including attacking Trump more effectively in the debates, as like Obama in 2012, she seem ill-prepared for that avenue, and let's face it,

The problem isn't they got it wrong, but their entire machinery got (so) much wrong.

Not really, the problem is the election machinery is so wrong. Just check out the gerrymandering lawsuits for the documented flaws, not to mention the whole Voter ID issue. Notice how badly Trump's "election commission" has handled things. Trump even picked Kris Kobach to lead it. Kris Kobach.

There's no point going to work with broken tools so the Democrats need to change, but what and how?

Do they? Things have already changed for them. They're the clear opposition party now. Now it's the GOP's burden to govern up and down the line. And they haven't. They've failed.

They don't have time to reflect upon themselves, yet failure to do so will guarantee another defeat.

Actually, introspection and navel-gazing is likely to lead to actions that cause a defeat. Instead, look outside and see what happened. And what keeps happening.

One solution is to pick a point in the machination as a critical failure (such as dumping a strong contender; Sanders) and do it differently next time.

Sanders was an outsider, and weak, you just don't know it because he never was in the position of exposure.

That said, a more viable VP candidate might have helped. Tim Kaine was just too boring.

Cutting taxes is not giving.

It is, when those taxes were paying for services received, and instead of paying for them through taxes, you issue bonds which those wealthy snap up.

They double-dip, you know.

And, let's be real the taxes are not on the 0.01 percent. They are on the 10%.

You could confiscate 100% of the 0.01's money. Kill them for good measure. And you still would only have enough money to run the US Government for 4 months. (And that's assuming you get market share for their stocks. Obviously you would not as who would buy stocks under such a situation.)

So, people play the old bait and switch: look at the evil gaziollionaires. They need to pay their fare share - and since their money isn't enough they raise taxes on everyone.

Or we could do this.

You're just being stupid, raising a pointless strawman argument that does not resolve differences or explain anything, but merely makes you look irate.

Have you read what's happening in CT? They followed the plan of tax the rich. Ooops. How's that worked out for them?

Have you read what's happening in Kansas? They followed the plan of handouts to the rich. How's that worked out for them?

Sorry, but you can believe the lie brigade about CT if you want, KS is still a failure. It's a logjam due to partisan politics.

Just understanding the laws of physics gives any STEM grad a huge advantage over a liberal arts students in bullshit detection.

Because those physicists who search for elusive particles and then say, "Isn't God grand?" aren't spewing bullshit.

Critical thinking in liberal arts schools is just another indoctrination. Test is how well they agree with the teachers opinions.

Except the opposite is true. Those who graduate from liberal arts schools, on the whole, have better critical thinking skills than do those who graduate from professional or vocational schools. You'll note this study is from 2011.

From a few years ago: the survey reveals that 74 percent of business and nonprofit leaders say they would recommend a twenty-first century liberal education to a young person they know in order to prepare for long-term professional success in today's global economy.

A bit more recent: DePauw University President Brian Casey recently argued in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that liberal arts graduates have the creativity and critical thinking skills that today's employers need.

When managers and employers are asked to identify what traits they want in employees, "without fail they almost perfectly describe liberal-arts graduates," says Casey. "They want people who are creative, who can deal with complexity, who can think for themselves, [and] work with other folks," he adds.

And finally, from August of last year: Experts agree that technical skills can be taught much more easily than soft skills. If you have workers with great communication, negotiation and interpersonal skills, hold onto them. "You can have the best technology and processes in the world, but if your people aren't able to communicate about them, if they aren't effectively demonstrating teamwork, critical thinking and emotional intelligence, it doesn't help your business succeed," King says.

Those kinds of skills always have been emphasized in liberal arts education, and nowadays even technology-focused programs and institutions are integrating these tenets into their curriculum, says PK Agarwal, CEO and regional Dean, Northeastern University Silicon Valley (NUSV).

Sooo, speaking of bullshit detector.

And then you look at other states that are failing

Other states have:

*Taxes that are devastating on people with lower incomes
*Instead of randomly belaboring a single data point, consider the whole picture, including the nastiness of total local government debt
*A regulatory and legal climate that leads to exposure to pollution and injury risks
*Decades old reports with schools that are some of the worst in the nation being hysteria to justify even worse results
*Huge backlogs of road work necessary across the country, and a refusal to pay for it
*Increasing income inequality
*Huge drug problems in rural areas.

I can drop links on you all day, don't pester California or San Francisco when you live in a glass house yourself.

I have lived in Kansas for about 27 years, so I guess that makes my opinion at least as valid as the opinion piece from a Kansas City, MISSOURI newspaper

No, not really. The Kansas City, MISSOURI newspaper actually included evidence.

As for the other, you're just flat out wrong. Did you know that since Brownback and company took over in 2012, Kansas GDP (GSP) has grown half as fast as the national GDP?

http://www.cbpp.org/research/f...

Second, did you know that you can't trust any of the economic numbers that have been coming out of the Brownback administration? Here's why:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view...

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/0...

And since you seemed offended that I would cite a MISSOURI newspaper that is all of about 15 feet from the Kansas border, here's some fact-checking from a Wichita, KANSAS newspaper that you might find illuminating. Oh never mind, you're from Kansas. You wouldn't find anything illuminating. What's the matter with Kansas, anyway?

http://www.kansas.com/news/pol...

Exactly. There is only one party attempting to stifle free speech and promoting violence.

Correct.

http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

That's about right, based on this article (and related study). Work hours for peak cognition was 22-27 for women, and 25-30 for men, after that, working hours have a negative impact on cognitive functioning.

Three-day workweek is the most productive for employees, study says

Some people here in the US are unhinged about the "Koch brothers" and send hate mail and death threats:
http://www.kansas.com/news/art...

But some people aren't smart enough to distinguish between the real Koch brothers and other business owned by people named "Koch":
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

http://www.theguardian.com/com...

http://www.nature.com/news/why...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a...

http://www.businessinsider.com...

http://www.mysterypollster.com...

http://www.examiner.com/articl...

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/general...

http://www.outsidethebeltway.c...

http://nautil.us/blog/why-were...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07...

http://articles.economictimes....

First few links from the search engine typing in "why are election polls often wrong"...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-pol...

http://time.com/3558932/pollin...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.u...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/08/...

http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

Shut up. Just close your stupid mouth. Sit down. And don't speak again until addressed. You're an idiot. It has been officially noticed.

Fracking is actually a GOOD thing overall...

Who told you that?

We've been doing it for decades in various areas without much of an issue

False.

It increases production with very low cost and low risk.

To the corporation. for the rest of us, it equals increased seismicity and water contamination. As well, the "fracking fluids" are just refinery wastes. they have no business injecting that into the ground anywhere.

Look, I don't expect slashdot to be a "news site", but seriously, it would be best to be at least vaguely familiar with the subject material before making a story submission.

The Geysers#Seismicity

It is not even close to news that humans are causing quakes.

Why? 2-3 inches here and the only things we do different are leave earlier and drive slower. No chains. No pre-salting the roads. Just slow the fuck down until the roads get plowed or melt.

Maybe because there's more traffic in Atlanta than in the entire state of OK? Maybe that was an exaggeration, but I doubt that I exaggerated by much.

But since we have Google, let's see how OK does when y'all get your once in a blue moon snow. Oopsie!

Oddly, here there is the possibility of doing any of that with a deputy sticking out your ass. http://www.kansas.com/2012/06/12/2370745/allegation-of-sedgwick-county.html My concern is validish...

No, Miss Latella, that's CIPS not CHIPS, but Erik has been spotted involved in other issues closer to the Mexican border. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk Big bust outside Driftwood ,TX turns out they were abusing pepper.

On the other hand, in this Kansas town, a local 12 yr. old went missing with her internet boyfriend 20 from Canada, caught in Michigan on their way back, just yesterday. http://www.kansas.com/2012/06/01/2356613/amber-alert-issued-in-michigan.html Hmm, kidnapping, sex with child, I suspect he's going to end up doing time in the state supermax. Guess where? http://www.doc.ks.gov/facilities/edcf That's right, in the town he got the kid from. That's where they put P.C.(protective custody, aka punk city) little child molester mutants so they don't get punked in the general pop of other Kansas prisons. Supermax, where they get to walk around in the yard for a different hour a day with all the other little bitches so the bad old violent criminals and lifers they keep too don't pwn them in the yard. Bet he sleeps sound with Dennis Rader close at hand, eh? I bet he ends up wearing a 'depends' anyway.

Actually, it depends on which state you're in, and the primary distinction from one state to another state is the different politicians.

E.g. "the Kansas Legislature on Friday agreed to raise the speed limit to 75 mph on more than 1,000 miles of separated, multi-lane highways." Yes, that's last Friday; you heard it here first...

I just googled "Scott Roeder's defense fund". Also, don't stay on Army of God's website too long; it gave me a headache.

http://www.kansas.com/2009/10/25/1026175/auction-planned-for-roeder-defense.html
http://www.armyofgod.com/POCScottRoederLawyerHelp.html

Involuntary man-slaughter might be involuntary, but it still lands me in the slammer. Compare that to what happened in the gulf explosion. People died, nothing happened to anybody.

First: the explosion occurred less than 1 year ago. I think it's safe to say that we haven't even begun to see the end of the lawsuits that will occur as a result of this, but you can see here that there are already several hundred lawsuits filed in the US over the event, and it appears as if more criminal charges may be coming.

Second: it's entirely possible for you to accidentally kill someone, and have no charges filed as a result - accidental deaths do happen, and unless there is specific negligence or recklessness on the part of the person who "caused" the death, there may not be criminal liability at all - the law does not impose a liability for failure to act unless there is a specific requirement to act codified by law. There may still be civil liability for wrongful death, however. Given the nature of the event, and the fact that multiple factors and conditions contributed to it, it's possible that there is simply no way of pinning the blame for this on a single person's actions or inactions.

And that has nothing to do with the "corporation" - if people are criminally liable for their negligence, and it can be proved, you will see people stand trial for it. Suggesting that the largest spill & disaster the oil industry has ever seen should have all its legal loose ends tied up less than a year after the event is a pretty tall order, especially when investigations are still ongoing.

Because people can band together in the legal construct of corporations, individual responsibilities for activities carried out under the banner of the corporation get diluted to the point of being null. This creates immense freedom for individuals to act in manners that are not accessible to individual people, or people in single-person corporations.

This has nothing to do with corporations per se, and everything to do with the fact that in large groups of people working together, it's often difficult to determine where one person's culpability begins and another person's ends. Unions aren't incorporated - does this mean that wrongdoing (and hiding that wrongdoing) is somehow harder for them because of it? The mafia isn't incorporated - are they a model of transparency and clear lines of responsibility & liability?

What incorporation DOES grant people is the existence of a single entity to sue for damages & wrongdoing, and who has assets which can be forfeited to satisfy judgements against them for wrongdoing. Let's turn it around: if you work for a company that files for bankruptcy protection, and I'm a creditor, should I be able to go after your house? After all, you draw a salary from a company which owes me a lot of money - aren't I entitled to recover the money owed to me from the assets of the people involved in the group of people who are stiffing me? I could certainly make a legal argument, if you do away with the idea of corporate personhood, that your house was paid for with money which rightfully should have been used paying me for the goods & services your employer got from me, and then failed to pay for. The fact that you work for a *corporation* protects you from having to defend yourself against actions like this.

[citation]
http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/24/1555918/portland-may-let-noncitizens-vote.html [kansas.com]

"Portland residents will vote Nov. 2 on a proposal to give legal residents who are not U.S. citizens the right to vote in local elections, joining places like San Francisco and Chicago that have already loosened the rules or are considering it."

[citation]
http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/24/1555918/portland-may-let-noncitizens-vote.html

"Portland residents will vote Nov. 2 on a proposal to give legal residents who are not U.S. citizens the right to vote in local elections, joining places like San Francisco and Chicago that have already loosened the rules or are considering it."

According to his website he isn't shutting down the buisness just stopping developing kodachrome.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/07/14/1403115/last-kodachrome-roll-processed.html

Kodachrome — The End of an Era

Kodachrome Film Status: The last day of processing for all types of Kodachrome film will be December 30th, 2010. The last day Kodak will accept prepaid Kodachrome film in Europe is November 30th, 2010. Film that is not in our lab by noon on December 30th will not be processed.

Dwayne’s Photo IS NOT CLOSING! We will continue to process other types of film and provide all our other normal services in 2011. Only Kodachrome film processing is being discontinued.

I'd guess that even with them being the only kodachrome processor left in the world they realise that with the film discontinued there just won't be enough buisness left to justify keeping the line (kodachrome is quite a complex process afaict).

The police already fire on citizens

And there are angry protests when they do.

Not to mention that in some states, you can't even own semi-automatics, let alone machine guns

No problem, weapons are bought across the stateline. And resistance can just take the weapons of those they capture or kill. Actually when I was in the Army we joked about taking the enemy's AK47 when we came across one, our M16's were prone to jambing whereas you could ram an AK47 into the dirt and it's still fire ok.

Falcon

Mod Parent up - this was actually withdrawn yesterday - the cops spread at little FUD with their Internet Hackers working the Security Camera Comments - but now they have backed off on this statement, particularly since the Hutchinson Incident was caused by locals who have been taken into custody.
see here
Oh and no bombs have ever been found, there are a lot of embarrassed people out there who have really overreacted to these 'menacing & scary' phone calls.

Well, sort of. They seem to have a few issues getting the parts to match perfectly. I'm sure it's a difficult task, but I'd rather not chance design flaws in a multi-million dollar flying brick...

Hey Baldur!

Isn't interesting how some people think just by naming us Paedophiles we should have no voices whatsoever? There is none so blind nor deaf as those who will not listen or look because they need no distractions from what they've already decided the truth to be! One of the biggest benefits of anonymity is the ability to speak what one has to say without worrying that someone will attempt to silence you permanently...

Too bad the Rind report could have been released anonymously, perhaps if it had been the Congress who did not actually READ the report would have wasted their time searching for the author's idenities rather than censuring the report for discovering politically unpalatable truths? Perhaps while the hunt was on in search of anonymous scientists, people would have actually decided to read and test the science of the work submitted instead of condemning the study for not having already predetermined its outcome? Maybe we'd be discussing ways to help each other and children instead of simply feuling the Paedophile hysteria?

Nah...that'd be too easy! Why waste your time attempting to combat the 78.5% of all child sex abusers when we can instead target only the 3.9% stranger danger cases? In fact, despite knowing since-- like forever --the real abuse is almost predominately coming from dear old Dad and Mummy, let's focus entirely on people who look at pictures over the internet. Or those who like to read sexy stories.... after all "the potential that the written word may encourage someone to act out what they've read" is there! Or we could perhaps focus our attentions on those sick sick people who like to make pseudo-photographs, and put them away for up to 15 years for what ammounts to a thoughtcrime?!? Or how about those who'd like to push for a constitutional amendment taking away the fundamental right of being able to confront one's accusers?

Nope, I don't see any reason why people like us would want to be anonymous. Even those who break no laws but have 'come out of the toy box' as being Paederotic in orientation face all kinds of death threats by people who assume the worst sight unseen! What's worse is they feel no need to do even the most basic of research either, because they already know they're right....

--I*LoveGreen*Olives

PS: I too am a Paedosexual. This should come as no surprise to anyone who clicks on my webpage link to read my blog. Being Paedosexual does not in any way negate any of what I've said above. Nor should anyone see my sexual orientation as being an excuse to attack, defame or otherwise limit my right to exist as a human being-- the laws they create to 'deal' with me and other Paedophiles are the same laws they'll use on you later....

It's too bad that the fundemenalists used this as an excuse to beat the crap out of the professeor. But it doesn't really surprise me - most religions people are nuts.

http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/living/education/1 3337930.htm

Cats work for free, and they seem to enjoy it.

This story reminds me of the ABL...

Latest article I could dig up:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/business/industrie s/aviation/12380334.htm

Website about the ABL:
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/abl/

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/entertainment/118 86078.htm.

I did enjoy the episodes I did see, though I am begining to dislike the CI as way to formulaic and SVU as too overtly left-wing politically. I think I'll stick with Jack McCoy for the time being.

Like a hare lip, or an ugly scar left over from a carcinoma, for instance?

more like a secret past

Ask These guys they've been off the grid for 60 years: http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/world/117558 29.htm/

The Dover, Penn. case is old news. Just wait until later this week when the Kansas State Board of Ed. holds their kangaroo court into intelligent design creationism. Kansans, get ready to be the laughing stock of the world again.