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That is not how I read GP's comment at all. As I see it they are making clear, strong claims about particle physics and string theory.

that's why i provided references, plus1entropy. i missed the ones about string theory, here are some:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads...
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~...

which leads to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Physi...

and that last one is particularly poignant, as it's by someone for whom the work that they set out to do just.. wasn't fun. they had a goal, but they'd forgotten the journey.

the other one quotes the observer.

here's another one: https://backreaction.blogspot.... which points out that the "bang-per-buck" is firmly on the "please for god's sake pull the plug" side.

i'm struggling to find the original article, but i believe this last post comes fairly close. basically i'm pointing out that it's not *my* idea(s). i didn't reference *any* of *my* work. these are *other people's* opinions - ones that are becoming increasingly common, that's all.

Oh, and compare the number of available games for SNES and MD and the PSs.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads...

We've almost reached the limits of physics and there's basically no viable competition because modern technologies require capex in an order of billions of dollars. What's there to marvel at or be happy about when, for instance, we've had a stagnation in the x86 CPU market since the introduction of Sandy Bridge (don't remind me of Ryzen: AMD has just reached IPC parity with two years old Intel CPUs)? Also GPUs don't grow as fast as they used to in the past, and even then in the past GPUs required passive cooling while certain modern GPUs have three slots cooling solutions with over 200 watts of power dissipation and have billions of transistors (NVIDIA Pascal Titan X has 12 billion transistors working at roughly 1500MHz).

However in my opinion it's astonishing what we've reached so far: certain modern computer games are just breathtakingly beautiful while not being too far off from being photo realistic: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Battlefield 1, The Division, Quantum Break and others. Recently, I just gave up on playing in The Division for two hours and just roamed NYC and enjoyed the scenery.

Just look at this and compare to this.

No they aren't. From the major gaming forum:

WARNING: Don't update your NVIDIA drivers, breaks memory speed, more
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Nvidia 372.54 drivers are bugged (video, games, textures, etc)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Nvidia drivers 375.70 killed HDMI
http://neogaf.site/forum/showt...

Is the latest Nvidia Driver still fucked?
http://assets.neogafllc.netdna...

the latest:
NVIDIA drivers are disappointing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

No they aren't. From the major gaming forum:

WARNING: Don't update your NVIDIA drivers, breaks memory speed, more
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Nvidia 372.54 drivers are bugged (video, games, textures, etc)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Nvidia drivers 375.70 killed HDMI
http://neogaf.site/forum/showt...

Is the latest Nvidia Driver still fucked?
http://assets.neogafllc.netdna...

the latest:
NVIDIA drivers are disappointing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

No they aren't. From the major gaming forum:

WARNING: Don't update your NVIDIA drivers, breaks memory speed, more
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Nvidia 372.54 drivers are bugged (video, games, textures, etc)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Nvidia drivers 375.70 killed HDMI
http://neogaf.site/forum/showt...

Is the latest Nvidia Driver still fucked?
http://assets.neogafllc.netdna...

the latest:
NVIDIA drivers are disappointing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

http://neogaf.com/
http://forums.somethingawful.c...
And so on.

There is a stark contrast between Windows 10/Nadella-era Microsoft and Microsoft previously, though. Also, you say they have little control over the hardware, but when they break their own controller, that's pretty bad.

If you want to follow the trail, start here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Basically, likely debunked and some known-troll on Reddit originated the pastebin as far as people are claiming. I'd respond to a slightly more topical AC below your post but then you mightn't see it and ACs are not generally a priority. You seem legitimately interested. I was curious so I copied a sentence and searched Google and followed a couple of links.

First off, games that are optimized for pure eye candy strain current cards, yes. But you don't have to have teh bezt pozzible grafix for everything. Take Alien: Isolation - looked really good, but ran at excellent framerates even on older cards. And even has some vr support. Tradeoffs can be made to crank framerate, and not horrible tradeoffs. I can handle 2010 graphics on VR, it's not like those games looked bad.

And no, a $4000 PC isn't necessary. The official specs are more like $1K these days. In fact, definitely $1K.

And no, 120fps/eye isn't necessary. You need low latency, definitely, but not that low. The DK2 peaks at 76fps, and yet few people report sickness at that rate.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...

Screw your superbowl, I want to know when Overwatch comes out.

Overwatch is already out: Overwatch
Oh, you mean the game formerly known as Overwatch, by Blizzard? Blizzard's Opps

+1, posting anon to not undo my mods. Anybody who asks for the sauce needs to read this neogaf link. Some heroic person cataloged all of the #GG wrongness in one place along with all the links.

+1 for your link- quoting it for a little more visibility since it has more information than most places regarding the topic. Heck I'll even repost it here, for burning justice!

+1, posting anon to not undo my mods. Anybody who asks for the sauce needs to read this neogaf link. Some heroic person cataloged all of the #GG wrongness in one place along with all the links.

+1 for your link- quoting it for a little more visibility since it has more information than most places regarding the topic. Heck I'll even repost it here, for burning justice!

+1, posting anon to not undo my mods. Anybody who asks for the sauce needs to read this neogaf link. Some heroic person cataloged all of the #GG wrongness in one place along with all the links.

You're right I messed up the math. Regardless, Blizzard's solution is superior for the game they wanted to make. They made the trade-off to have a game with tight, responsive controls and reactions, but in which cheaters can get a significant advantage, and just hoped that their anti-cheat measures were adequate to handle whatever cheats were released, and for the most part they have been effective. It's actually very rare for the average player to run into a map hacker. I think they made the right decision for the game overall.

It's not rare at all - it's just rare for the player to find out about it. Map hacks have been available for SC2 ever since the beta, and they caused a lot of drama then.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/sh...
It's been over 4 years and the only thing that has improved are the map hacks.

not earning money != losing money

Not earning money is an opportunity cost. When compared to other things that a company could be doing with its resources, not earning money is losing money.

First off, I'm not saying voting would be ideal in all games.

I understand. I'm just trying to find counterpoints to the talking points that console fanboys have used against the promotion of PC gaming. They try to spin the lack of mods as an advantage.

One-on-One and voting is a mute point as in that case you quit the match instead.

I've played one-on-one games on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection against Tetris DS players who used Action Replay to, say, get all I pieces. If you disconnect in a one-on-one stranger match, you get a loss on your record, and the cheater gets a win. In Mario Kart DS, on the other hand, I didn't see quite as much cheating, but I saw plenty of people complaining about snaking, a novel use of the game's drift mechanic to gain speed on straightaways.

Ever hear of "the exception that proves the rule"? Congratulations, you found it. One single incident of one single customer claiming to get a refund for one single incident.

Yeah you obviously don't understand what that means, you said nobody got refunds, which is false as I gave you an example of a person who got a refund and here are a couple more just to prove you wrong even more:
I got a refund for SimCity from Amazon a few days after release
Just contacted Amazon and they gave me a refund for the digital copy.

You're a gullible fool to think this unconfirmed anecdote from an anonymous person that Amazon would not confirm actually proves anything.

No there are plenty of examples but you are too braindead to just use Google. But of course you are just a corporate boot-licker and will unquestionably believe that anything written in a corporate 'policy' is gospel, go back to your corporate masters with their EULAs and policies and just do whatever they tell you you spineless weasel.

The other players play like humans. Computer controlled players don't.

Computers drive like computers. Humans drive like motherfscking snakes in a motherfscking kart.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84471421&postcount=1590

Albert Penello, MS Director of Product Planning wrote:

Albert, I'd definitely like to hear more about NUad as well.

Well I think there's two things you're asking. NuAds by definition is simply interactive advertising done on the platform. Using the functions of the console and Kinect to interact vs. just watching a spot. There's nothing particularly interesting happening here unless you're in the advertising business, and we've done a few on Xbox 360 today.

What I think you're asking about is an interview done earlier in the year where someone was talking about how some of the new Xbox One Kinect features *could* be used in advertising - since we can see expressions, engagement, etc. and how that might be used to target advertising. This is the point that seems to draw some controversy.

First - nobody is working on that. We have a lot more interesting and pressing things to dedicate time towards. It was an interview done speculatively, and I'm not aware of any active work in this space.

Second - if something like that ever happened, you can be sure it wouldn't happen without the user having control over it. Period.

Two examples of how we deal with similar things today:

First, Kinect can recognize your face and log you in automatically. There could be some cool features we could enable if we stored that data in the cloud, like being able to be auto-recognized at a friend's. I get asked for that feature a lot. But, for privacy reasons, your facial data doesn't leave the console.

Second: You'll see us do some things around Skype that freezes the video when Skype is not in focus (meaning, it's not the primary app). If you go back to the home screen, or launch another app, we actually stop the video stream. We do this so the user can't even ACCIDENTALLY have the video stream going on in the background.

I'll say this - we take a lot of heat around stuff we've done and I can roll with it. Some of it is deserved. But preventing Kinect from being used inappropriately is something the team takes very seriously.

Hope that helps.

that was his emphasis, not mine.

so basically, everything he's saying could be wrong.

It was later clarified by Penello that the latency of the HMDI input would be too high for gaming, and using it to pass the PS4's (or any other console, e.g. 360) output is not recommended, presumably because of the overlay. Odd, as my AV receiver can overlay it's UI with no more than 1 frame of delay, but if it was only intended for overlaying of TV, then MS may never have bothered to optimise it.

here's a link I missed it in the above post.

The ever-reliable (and highly cryptic) CBOAT hints that the 'self published' code will be limited to the 'Windows 8 app store' mode, along with the 3gb of memory set aside for the Win8 mode.

"Apple will dominate the gaming landscape with this new revelation, just as television was forever changed by Apple TV."
=)

PS
This is actually about apple adding controller to apple TV:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=597876

Same here.

Have you not seen this?

Yup. The most heavy-handed instance of this is in Shadow Puppets, in which Card devotes an entire chapter to having Anton, a scientist who is implied to be a repressed gay man, lecture Bean on the merits of marriage between a man and a woman.

Don't take my word for it, read the excerpt...

Here's a forum about this with screencaps: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550032 They show that in the first day 6,4% were genuine versions and the rest were pirated copies.

I wonder what's the average conversion rate. Usually not all who pirate buy the game anyway. How about demo downloads versus purchases? It's a neat trick they pulled, but I think some context would be nice.

Context from this example will be useless as it will be offset by people who do download the pirated version simply because of the press it's getting, regardless of actual interest in the game.

Here's a forum about this with screencaps: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550032 They show that in the first day 6,4% were genuine versions and the rest were pirated copies.

I wonder what's the average conversion rate. Usually not all who pirate buy the game anyway. How about demo downloads versus purchases? It's a neat trick they pulled, but I think some context would be nice.

I'm a game developer who happens to work in Poland and I track CD Projekt (GOG parent) stock close enough. GOG did bring them profit (a bit less than 1 mln USD for 1H2012), Wiedzmin (Witcher) for 360 got them even more (about 5 mln USD) but they are losing money on traditional retail market, their primary source of income up to now (source in Polish). Also, compare those numbers, which may be good for Poland, to 40 mln USD needed to create a modern AAA game.

Also, DRM is essential to delay piracy for the first month of game release. Games only really sell in the first few weeks after launch, if you didn't know - after that, people move on to something else and the "long tail" of sales begins (see just about any game's charts: [1], [2], [3]). So the games need to make up for that large upfront investment in first 4 to 6 weeks, if they don't break even, they are dead. Alan Wake, L.A. Noire, Max Payne 3 - all those arguably known and high profile titles are commercial failures. Most current triple A games flop or barely make even, but unless explicitly asked, publishers rarely admit it. However, if you work in gamedev you probably saw the closures of Grin, Pandemic, 38 Studios, and in general, it starts to happen too frequently.

So no, it's not just about "having control". There would be no need in control if existing model provided a sustainable way to earn money. Truth is, nowadays interactive entertainment market is a gamble.

Note the update: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467492

These people are going all gaga over mobile and tablet games, but let's look at the numbers for a moment. I'll quote this NeoGAF post:

As of July 7th 2011 (Apple WWDC Keynote) The iOS App Store had generated $3.6 Billion ($2.5 Billion paid to developers after Apple's 30% cut) in revenue in total since its launch in 2008.

Mario Kart DS alone has generated $621 million in revenue (20.70 million units sold as of December 2010 @ $30)

One DS game alone has generated over one fifth of the revenue generated for developers by the entire App Store over the course of its history (Oh and that includes all non game Apps as well)

So what is my point?

The point here is that the guy with a vested interest in mobile and tablet gaming is implying that these games are eating into the profits of "traditional" gaming companies. But I do not believe this for a second.

The reason sales on dedicated consoles are falling is that the games are not of sufficiently high quality. They do not appeal to a wide enough audience. However, were Nintendo to start making games that do appeal to a wider audience, they would sell very well indeed.

In other words: The enemy of dedicated gaming consoles is not games on mobile phones, but rather the lack of quality software on these dedicated gaming devices.

And yes, the revenue from these minigames on phones is tiny compared to the big sellers on dedicated consoles.

I've shipped PS2 games and worked with numerous developers that have shipped PS3 games.

Sony's problem is the Not-Invented-Here syndrome. They have yet to learn the lesson that Apple mastered years ago in the 80's -- use off the shelf commodity parts!! Why? They will become DIRT cheap in a few years. Why waste millions of dollars investing into R&D of new hardware when in 5 years somebody else will have a no-name version of it at a fraction of the price??

e.g.
Sony is _slowly_ learning this lesson. After how many man-years of a buggy PS2 GS (Graphics Synthesizer) that couldn't even properly do z-tesing (!?!/!) the PS3 RSX is (mostly) a GTX 7800+
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_'Reality_Synthesizer'

When the PS2 first came out everyone bitched how difficulty it was, yet it was a beautiful thing to see all of its 7 CPUs working full speed load-balancing the system. It laid the foundation that multi-core programming was the future. When the PS3 came out everyone bitched how even more difficult it would be. Developers just sucked it up and now we are even seeing A.I. running on the SPE/SPUs on second-gen and 3rd-gen PS3 games! That's pretty cool to see a modern game engine utilizing every core it can.

Using stock parts: CPU + GPU is a great way to minimize costs. You don't get the same performance benefits of true dedicated design but the commodity parts are cheap enough that the pricing curve naturally takes care of that. Kind of a no-brainer if Sony decides to use an AMD or Intel CPU for the PS4.

References:

See: PS3 games list & SPE usages
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184843

i.e.

Killzone 2 utilizes roughly only 60 per cent of the SPU's.
"It's incredible to see huge levels and see the deferred rendering and note that on all the SPU's, even on the heaviest load were coming up to about 60%," Haynes said. "They weren't coming close to maxing out. They had about 40% of space before they started tripping or saw slow down on some of the processes."

and

Killzone 3 uses 100% of SPU's.
we're having a footprint of a level that's ten times bigger than the average Killzone 2 level. Killzone 2 was not a small game, but that was as far as we could push it back then.

Here's what the OP is referencing.

XBox 360 exceeded all expectations? Yeah, right...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19625436&postcount=90

How are two billion dollars in the red? Exceeded all expectations?

That chart even gives you the biggest hint as to why MS is in the red with the XBox, they are the relative newbie to the market. MS started only 9 years ago, Sony started 8 years before them and Nintendo close to 2 decades before MS. This experience is reflected in the profit charts, though even then the divisions compared are not equal across the companies and the tie ins for the xbox (foxtel, zune, netflix, etc...) likely change those figures too.

I saw it at an interview with Reggie linked here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433004

If you can play Wii games at 1080p in an emulator [dolphin-emulator.com], why can't the new console do the same?

Either they didn't bother or it might have some compatibility problems with certain games.

XBox 360 exceeded all expectations? Yeah, right...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19625436&postcount=90

How are two billion dollars in the red? Exceeded all expectations?

I had read about this a bit earlier about someone who didn't believe it actually was child pornography "reporting" this. Decided to try to dig up a source and found this, if it can be believed:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27926917&postcount=140

My point was more that it's no real comfirmation mail asking for comfirmation to change your password but more a notification that it was changed and now you have to do something if it wasn't you who changed it...but obviously I was somehow wrong in that assumption. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430574/ says there is a comfirmation mail before that one...it just doesn't matter or is needed for this "hack".

although if you're expecting it to play games, you might be disappointed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25233449&postcount=3752

FTFW

No, you can play games with Soul Calibur in the title on other platforms, you can only play the real game in the arcade or on a Dreamcast.

False
I guess you can only play it legally under those conditions, unless you buy a ROM set and rip them yourself...

From someone close to the CEO, supposedly he went to a number of financial organizations and told them to ignore what was on the front page in the following days. Sounds like a sh*tty marketing stunt. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23418875&postcount=240

Judging by his comments it sure seems like it. Either that or a really bad astroturfer (friend or PR firm...). Google turned up some other apparent astroturfing here. Just some guy promoting his own blog to increase page views.

I was in the early levels; I didn't quite have an idea of how ridiculously in-depth the database was. I was summoning things like ladders, glasses of water, rayguns, what have you. But I reached a level with zombie robots, and the zombie robots kept killing me. Rayguns didn't work, a torch didn't work, a pick-axe didn't work. In my frustration, I wrote in "Time Machine". And one popped up. What the f!%k? A smile dawned on my face. I hopped in, and the option was given to me to either travel to the past or the future. I chose past. When I hopped out, there were f!%king dinosaurs walking around. I clicked one, and realized I could RIDE THEM. So I hopped on a f!%ing DINOSAUR, traveled back to the present, and stomped the shit out of robot zombies. Did you just read that sentence? Did you really? I F!%KING TRAVELED THROUGH TIME AND JUMPED ON A DINOSAUR AND USED IT TO KILL MOTHERF!%KING ROBOT ZOMBIES. This game is unbelievable. Impossible. There's nothing you can't do.

No, PS3 has not made any money and it may never make any.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html
Sony videogames division in the past three years (PS3 era+R&D, including PS2 and PSP):

2006 ===== 75 (positive)
2007 = -1,969 (negative)
2008 = -1,265 (negative)
2009 ===== 51 (positive)

Total 2006-09 === -3,108

(in million US$)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111003

I'm afraid it looks as if they might have been ripping stuff off already back then, too.

The lead developer did the graphics and knew what he was up to. Steve Bovis had had 404 posts on the forum for the game development software he used where he made it fairly clear what he was trying to do.

They didn't just use 2-D screenshots of 3-D scenes as backgrounds. They also copied graphical "assets" directly and also stole film footage for their trailers. Apparently they stole music, too. And the lead guy or his daughter posed as buyers to spam forums. And the game apparently sucks, besides.

The best thread I've seen is at NeoGAF. Somebody eventually bought the game and posted screenshots to show how bad it is. They even failed to edit the default registry settings for the game installer. You can find support for all of my other accusations elsewhere in the same thread.

BTW, I also disagree with your logic. Even if all they did was use the other games' graphics as backgrounds, it would still be a rip-off. Keep in mind that they are trying to compete with the same games they are using.

They didn't just use 2-D screenshots of 3-D scenes as backgrounds. They also copied graphical "assets" directly and also stole film footage for their trailers. Apparently they stole music, too. And the lead guy or his daughter posed as buyers to spam forums. And the game apparently sucks, besides.

The best thread I've seen is at NeoGAF. Somebody eventually bought the game and posted screenshots to show how bad it is. They even failed to edit the default registry settings for the game installer. You can find support for all of my other accusations elsewhere in the same thread.

BTW, I also disagree with your logic. Even if all they did was use the other games' graphics as backgrounds, it would still be a rip-off. Keep in mind that they are trying to compete with the same games they are using.

They didn't just use 2-D screenshots of 3-D scenes as backgrounds. They also copied graphical "assets" directly and also stole film footage for their trailers. Apparently they stole music, too. And the lead guy or his daughter posed as buyers to spam forums. And the game apparently sucks, besides.

The best thread I've seen is at NeoGAF. Somebody eventually bought the game and posted screenshots to show how bad it is. They even failed to edit the default registry settings for the game installer. You can find support for all of my other accusations elsewhere in the same thread.

BTW, I also disagree with your logic. Even if all they did was use the other games' graphics as backgrounds, it would still be a rip-off. Keep in mind that they are trying to compete with the same games they are using.