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Dreamhack 2001
flagg writes: "One of the world's largest LAN-partys is taking place in this very moment, Dreamhack 2001 in Jonkoping, Sweden. Take a look on this picture and ask yourself a question: Do I wanna be there?"
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Frankly, I don't. For me, the fun of a LAN party is being there pulling an all-nighter with my buddies, spilling drinks, making a mess, watching pr0n, and laughing it up all over the place...
Going to these hangar Lans with thousands of people just doesn't have that kind of intimacy... it's more geared toward people that just don't have broadband access and wanna get a couple of days of some lag-free gaming in.
Wonder how many people are gonna be spending the night at the local jail because they're word processor was using an illegal key.....
If You Drink, Don't Park, Accidents Cause People.
I'd love to be in Sweden, period.
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...is not very difficult.
Hmm, a bunch of geeks in a large room with an equivalent number of Athlons/Pentiums and monitors, heating up the room and bringing out the stank in everyone... do I really want to be there?
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So i wonder how many peeps there are gonna be sleeping with stuffed Tux's in their sleeping bags ?
"There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness."- Friedrich Nietzsche
Probably more worms floating around on that LAN than the @home network. err..
Trying is the First Step to Failing --Homer Simpson
Of course I would like to be there. My question is where is the bathroom!!??! What games where they playing? Just seperate 32 player Q3 games? Or what?
I think I like this picture better.
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Kid-proof tablet..
I read the webpage the other day and it said they've got a 1gbit connection =).
I mean seriously...there have to be over 1000 computers with monitors there...
I can't even imagine the heat produced, and electricity consumed. Anyone have numbers?
Mmmmmmm. Floor pie!
I think I see a girl in that picture.. but I'm probably mistaken.
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It's OK to be social, just don't tell anyone about it.
I have always wondered why seemingly intelligent people do not understand the benefits of deoderant.
Geeks wonder why normals don't like being near them...It's cause they friggin stink!!
Every time I go to a LAN party or computer swapmeet, I just want to put tape on the top(so they are held de-pressed) of a few deoderant cans and throw them around the room like tear gas canisters.
If only they made deoderant cans that would fit a riot gun.....
Is it just me, or do none of these monitors seem to be displaying a GAME? They all look like just the standard windows desktop to me... hmm.. someone must be using the Half-Life mass-crash cheat :D
nah... when it sucks all the electricity from the town and they'll have a big problem. Think of a mob of 1000 energy hungry people charging into the company's office when they don't have enough electricity supply to keep them happy ;-)
Don't quote me on this.
...before a LAN isn't a LAN?
Or does "Local Area" refer to bandwidth in some wierd way?
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
A - I didn't see even one Aqua desktop
B - I didn't see any BSD Grrls in red latex
C - I didn't see Heidi Wall aywhere
D - I can smell that room from the picture
This
They'd need that many machines to survive the current /. effect..
"liberty and justice for all those who can afford it"
I much prefer this picture of the refreshments in the back room. 12 pallets of Jolt, where's the fridge?
P G
http://www.dreamhack.org/dh01/photos/PB270108.J
It looks an awful lot like:
1. An AOL tech support dungeon
2. Microsoft's BorgCollective Coding Campus
3. The Star Trek Official Storyline Accuracy Chamber
or maybe it is Ascroft's office.
:-)
everyday seems weirder than the next,
virtros
Worst. Sig. Ever.
As pipe is probably saturated with the slashdot effect now, not really. This brings a whole new meaning to "party crashing". Michael must be taking his revenge on them for not inviting him.
Blast!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
for Jonkoping, Sweden
I suppose Jonko means fluctuating and ping, well means ping...
Or "we own j00, with our l33t ping".
I suppose any town that ends in ping can't be all that bad. After all it does come down to da king of ping.
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Seems a little too big to be a fun LAN party. You'd seriously have to do the buddy system there. At a LAN party, I woudln't trust leaving my computer for the time it takes to instal NetBus or BackOrifice.
Nor would I trust logging into anything on that network. Probably sniffers all over the place.
I like 'em small, like at a friends apartment(or a party room) where you can just chill, eat food a few feet away, etc.
That picture reminds me of some email sparring a couple years ago:
"Well, I think of Patrick and Roy in many ways, but dripping in testosterone is not one of them. Patrick and Roy would be better described as radiating a pale glow, sort of like a monitor-tan."
I like the quote. Its a good one.
Open up some Windows!
/me ducks and runs.
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
First dibs.
That looks really boring to me. I loved the LAN parties back in the BBS days (I suppose they're still going on, but that's when I went to them) just at random peoples' houses with 20 friends or so. Computers strewn everywhere, tripping over cables, screaming at each other, spending hours trying to get the network working and occasionally the kid who would bring beer, and all the "bad kids" who would drink.
That was fun to me. Playing games against 1000+ other anonymous people seems like it wouldn't be much different than playing online.
But I don't really play games, anymore, so maybe I'm just lame.
Link: 1gbit/s to EBONE with the help from Arrowhead (http://dreamhack.swm.pp.se/) ;)
;) TP-cabels
98% boys, 2% girls
40km (we are in sweeden you know
2km tables
(Dreamhack is greate, but The Gathering in Norway is way better. (and even larger))
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Quai
I'm not sure I see the point..
I see two reasons that LAN parties at your/friend's housees are better than playing on the internet:
1. See people you know and test their skills while talking to them
2. Meet new people and test their skills while talking to them
However at this large a scale, this seems almost to become as anonymous as the internet. If you join a game, you probably don't know who you're playing against and the transaction cost of finding them would be pretty high. At best you talk to the people immediately next to you.
Most of them are probably better off playing online from home where at least they don't have to walk a mile to go to the bathroom.
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imagine the electricity bill...
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I'd love to be there! I've been to Sweden, and it's quite beautiful. I'm concerned though, about which city was chosen for this: Jonkoping is the only strict religious city in Sweden and it's not very easy to get to. I would have held it in Malmö or maybe Stockholm. At least you would have a better night life.... and there's a great university in Lund which is near Malmö. anyway -- just a thought.
The guy in the top left is looking at porn!
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I love being a software developer. Couldn't imagine doing anything else. But to be in a crowd of {hundreds/thousands} of overzealous geekoids spouting off their latest conquest is not my idea of a good time. It's not even in the top 1000.
Some of the most brilliant developers I know are mostly reserved about their skills and accomplishments. What discussions do go on, are mostly to aid other members of the development teams.
Stifle is an anagram for itself.
I'm not absolutely sure. That red "X" is rather impressive, however. :)
Do you like German cars?
Suprising and pretty cool:
the dreamhack people have microsoft as their main sponsors.
how about that *nix people?
"This page cannot be displayed."
Well, gee, if you can't even show a picture of it, I don't think I want to be there!
SIGFEH
that there is only one fan in the place (bottom right). Also, looking at the traffic graph, what happened at 8:15? Looks like someone kicked out a plug. An almighty groan must have risen from the crowd about then...
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The website lists an organized tournament of 128 5-on-5 Counterstrike teams. Dear lord that's a lot of people.
tsk tsk tsk, and they cant even max it out
In the networking class I took in the 80's at IBM they defined a LAN as a network where you did not have to use a common carrier for the physical layer.
:-(
If had to cross a road/right of way, you had to use some sort of common carrier (like a phone company) you were then subject to regulations and speed limits
The network then became a WAN.
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Ok... now what the heck was I going to say?! Oh yeah... This looks like the most awesome LAN party ever! In fact, when I first glanced at the picture (I clicked the link and went to a different window--using Opera 5.0 for Linux (but under FreeBSD, ironically) allows me to work in many different windows at the same time, which is very advantageous because I like to do many things at once--I can't wait for version 6 to be available commercially--and then came back to the window with the picture and thought it was the wrong picture because...), I thought it was a photo of a city at night. That's how nuts this LAN party is!Copyright 2001, rice_burners_suck. All rights reserved.
OH WELL
Totally disapointed with that pic. I mean when you asked if I would want to be there - and offered up a pick I was anxiously awaiting a nice high res image of some hot swedish women. sadly all I saw was jolt-burp-smell.
The first time I saw that picture, I thought there was nothing unusual about it. Until I realised that it was infact a LAN party, and not a small city. Way to go, Dreamhack!
Norway has a similar gigantic lan-party type thing once a year called "The Gathering." Anyone ever attended? Why don't we see more of these in the US?
Okay, so whats the difference of being at something like this, or being on the net? Not much ;) I am sure that thier network is probably pretty laggy unless they spent some huge bux on the equipment.. doubtful though.. anyhow.. I'd rather stay at home and be comfortable than go to THAT.. now, a real LAN party is better.. a few half dozen or so friends, a few quake chicks, some pr0n.. and thats fun...
Jay
"What's this script do? unzip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; umount ; sleep Hint for the answer: not everyth
I am at the party. Momy, I want to go home. It's to big.
The official numbers is 5-6000, we did a quick scan for windowz hosts and found about 3500.
Thier are 4554 seats on the map.
Just a mile or two away from the complex is a power distribution central.
OK, I'll bite. Just what *is* the official term for that many computer geeks all in one place? Looking at all those monitors I'm thinking maybe calling it a 'phosphera' of geeks? Or maybe you just use scientific terminology and simply append 'kilo' or 'mega' to the word, i.e. a thousand geeks all in one place would be 'one kilogeek'. Any other suggestions?
Yes, I AM a computer geek and proud of it, dammit! And yeah, if I lived anywhere near there I'd probably be like, maybe, third from the left in the fifth row.
Now look at THIS picture, and ask yourself the same question.
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I agree with you - 100 % - I think the most humble I have ever felt was after seeing this intro - 256 bytes - aggh! - and it still runs under NT!
Now, I want to see the same intro in Linux - I am not sure if there is a way to make it work and stay that small or not - I am just OK with x86 ASM, but not to that level!!!
DAMN! I bow before 3 sc hardcore!
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Can you imagine the gore, blood, and assorted carnage one could achieve by running through that room with a BFG9000?
Mmmm... Pistol Whip...
there are about 5000 people here.. and we're all having a good time. here are some pictures from the floor.
this was a shot of the technicians at google...then came to my senses and realized it was a shot of yet another software company after some cost cutting consolidation....who needs offices or cubes?!
http://tinyurl.com/3t236
I feel sorry for the guy who kicks over the wrong plug in that place. :-)
They should be glad I'm not in Sweden because I would get a group of people and go there and shutdown the power.
I grew up in Jönköping...then I moved to Alaska...what was I thinking?
Looking at the picture made me laugh at first, but then it made me wonder. Am I the only one that finds a million geeks, stairing at glowing monitors, while bairly moving, kind of odd. It's like the matrix or something.
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
Here is the MRTG bandwidth usage stats at Dreamhack 2001: http://dreamhack.swm.pp.se/194.0.15.254_7008.html
A top of 700 Mbit but right now 400 Mbit.
So its not the slashdot effect, its just the webserver that have MacClients to low i guess.
And BTW, its not 1000 people here, its like 5000-6000 people.
Well... let's do some math. Suppose 2500 people are there (this is realistic, I've seen 6K people parties here in Germany). Suppose most people are l33t d00ds and thus use some > 1.2 GHz Athlons OC'd to 1.4 with vacuum cleaner engines as fans. So let's say 250W average for the PC and 100W for the monitor, that's 350W per machine. Times 2500... 850kW. This sounds much, but on the other hand, electricity is ass cheap.
Microsoft is also here with some Xboxes...
:-).
I guess if you're going to keep the temperature at your comfy 27C... anything that burns must be welcome
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The energy companies? How about the oncologists 10 years down the road?!
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
How many times do we have to tell you... Dreamhack is a DEMO party, hosting competitions in all sorts of areas as 64k DEMOs, Wild Music, and so on. The network itself is not laggy at all, of course. The equipment in here (sponsored by Cisco and other huge network companies) is worth in the > $25.000 range.
Even a prositute has standards.
Like many others have already said, I see no point in being at one of these. Sure, you get to meet people you've only seen on the net, but only the nerdy boys that nobody in their right mind would want to meet anyway.
You die too easily.
So, since sweden uses 240v power, and since the max you can run on a three-phase temporary power system is 200amps per run, they must have 10-3phase 200a power disconnects there, and most likely the same number of generators. Whew!
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It _was_ a demoparty, and I used to go there, but now, to what reason? Last time I was there, there where gamers there, a lot of them, but they at least had demo competitions... I made a 512 bytes mini-intro (just for fun, there where no matching competition) with a friend...
Btw, I'l bite and answer two other messages:
There's no snow at all in Jönköping atm (or in any town in south sweden).
Sweden is a _long_ country, so this it's-dark-all-winter-and-bright-all-summer doesn't apply that much at all to e.g. Jönköping. But anyway, what does it matter when you'r in a building four days in a row, with ponly the light of thopusand monitors to guid you?
DH used to be in another, more northern town (borlänge) before, but even there, there where no snow and quite bright...
Btw, if you want to go to a _real_ demoparty, visit The Gathering in Norway!
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It looks like a couple of those stations are decked out in X-mas lights or something. Tis the season!
According to the big screen, we are using 1.3 MW.
Stumbling in the dark
I hear slavering of jaws
Eaten by a grue.
Today it's more of a combined event: lots of gamers, and a small group of us, demosceners. The demoscene is not what it used to be... more and more people are into gaming than into demos, so when organising such an event, it's obvious you get 80% gamers and 20% sceners. It's not that much fun, agreed, but a fact of life...
Otis/Infuse Project, coder DemoGL http://www.demogl.com
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
(clickable link, for the lazy) pictures of the setup of the site very cool
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Although, mainly gaming focused (not built from the demoscene like in eu) and not quite as huge. My quick googling turned up this obvious site which lists mainly events in the US and Canada.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
People are writing 4k intros for linux, there are even some tools for doing just that. Also check this out, a Linux program just 45 bytes long, shorter then the ELF executable header :P.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
http://stat.event.dreamhack.org/
:)
;)
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Quite elite..
Arrowhead in cooperation with Ebone
in combination with a Black Diamond
I'm on an ethernet connection in Sweden, 400km or so from Dreamhack, dunno really... Downloading at around 750k/sec from an ftp inside dreamhack... hehe
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Well, gee, if you can't even show a picture of it, I don't think I want to be there!
I think you have that backwards, man.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I thought it was a photo of a city at night. That's how nuts this LAN party is!
1.25k of useless blather, 79bytes of point. (btw, I don't know of any browsers that don't let you open multiple windows)
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
this picture kinda shows what The Gathering is all about .. It started out as demoparty in '92 and is still running hot. These days all 5k of tickets gets sold out in ~24-48 hours, so there's apparently a huge market for lanparties here in norway, sweden and other close countries :)
.. well, guess what, since this isnt your average lanparty where people are staying in small, overheated rooms (like most "hey, lets gather over at our house"-lanparties), it works out quite nicely. Most people also shower daily (guess some of you havent heard about that. ;))..
.. well, it sorta could be. But that would be boring, wouldnt it? What you usually do is that you go to the party together with your demogroup, your clan or your friends, whatever suits your need. You sit together with the people you already know (5-10-50-100) - and guess what, just on the row behind you, someone you know from IRC is sitting .. and you're meeting them for the first time ever! .. and then, suddenly, the coder of that *awesome* demo just suddenly pops by your row to say 'hi' .. you kinda have to be there to get the spirit :)
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Some people has been complaining about "the stench has to be awful"
Ok, for those of you that are complaing about things getting too anonymous
DreamHack looks really nice this year, hopefully there'll be a few good contributions to the democompos and we'll see some nice showdowns in counter-strike and Q3
.. and to end it all up; go there!
mats
One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
Well I only said it looked like there were 1000 in that picture. Does that picture capture the entire population?
Jason.
Actually the power and 10/100mbit switched network has been working flawlessly. And the 1gbit uplink is just fine. To bad this place crawls with 14 year old gamers sucking up the bandwidth. ;)
We are actually just below 6000 visitors this year, but thats just because DH has become more mainstream the last years. It used to be a demoparty, and i miss that.
WHAT??? Gathering is by no means a demoparty. 99.9% percent gamers last year when I was there.
:)
Mekka/Symposium and Dialogos in Germany on the other hand are REAL demoparties. Gamers are actually not invited
> 3. But not the condom concession. ...
then i guess you'll only get 'em going, eh?
However,
Even QuakeCon used generators. No way you could run that many machines over your average buildings wiring.
You are soooo right. I was in Stockolm for Y2K and it was about -15c. Brrrr.
The only solution was to drink to excess so you didn't feel the cold attacking your bones.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - BF
I want one too... wait.. with those going at 25.. i think i'll take 2,0 :)
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
The next big party is "The Party" in Denmark, Dec. 27-29. Some 4000 people will be there.
Their web site is http://www.theparty.dk
The computers are using so much electricity, they can't even get the lights to go on :)
Sounds like fun, until someone realizes that the snack machine doesn't work either...
When I showed the picture to my girlfriend, she thought it was a cityscape :)
Woz
ABC Demo Windows only... check it out, it is quite funny =) (1st prize demo at Coma 3 last weekend)
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Dreamhack 2001 - Nerds on a hunt for love
Funny comic-strip about Dreamhack 2001.
>> No way you could run that many machines over your average buildings wiring.
hmm. tell that to the average large call centre. they have the whole PC/monitor/lan power needs, plus major telephony apparatus kicking about.
sure, it isn't your normal average home. but neither is the place in that photo
~Cederic
My friends and I will have LANfests in a large basement - roughly 10 to 15 of us. The room is generally about half as tightly packed as the pictures of this festival appear to be. It will get to be almost 105F in there if we don't open a window, unless the air conditioning is on in the summer. Even then, it gets fairly warm. (90F-ish?)
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Why a fat connection? To make it cheaper for the sceners of course. :-)
I'm not there, but I *was* planning on doing a demoparty tour next summer as a trip with some friends. I'm Canadian and it costs to go to europe. So if I go to a demoparty it had better fucking well be worth my time. If I want to watch people run around and shoot people I can stay home and stay in observer mode in these videogames.
Sending this msg. from DH, and yes, we got an 1,5Gbps connections from ebone.
There are WAY more than 2500 people here!
I would guess on 5000..
"this is realistic, I've seen 6K people parties here in Germany"
??? The Scandinavian LAN-partys are by far the laegest in the World. Dreamhack, The gathering, The Party and Assembly!
What big lan-partys do you have in Germany? (I have heard of none..)
And everyone with a P4 is complaining about their processors half-clocking every 15 seconds...
"You think that's air you're breathing now?"
Nope...dosen't work that way... :D
:).
a VERY easy way to calculate the needed power:
1Amp*220V(scandinavia) per person.
And then you add the "NO MICROWAVES" rule of course:). You would not BELEIVE! the amount od stuff people bring with them to these parties
oh and for the standard "thats not enough power yadda yadda" comment..yes it is.
We've done this for quite some time now and it works
It's +3 at the moment. That's not too bad.
Actually both DH and TG has moved past that lable.
:)..(still remember the long ass scroll text on the intro to Way of the Exploding Fist:)
i sSon
:)
They both embrace EVERYONE that enjoys computers.
Be it Coders/GFX/Anims/Gamers, it does NOT MATTER as long as you have fun!
Now some people keeps on ranting about how this sub culture is ruining everything for that sub culture. Bullshit!
To all of you UberCoolHardCoreSceners , please stop!..you are NOT helping the recruitment to the demoscene by slagging someone for liking to play games instead of writing code,Making Grapichs,doing animations or making music..hey wait..ain't there a lot of so called "Game Lamers" that make VERY nice graphics for their clans Web pages, and what about level designers, skinners,Mod coders and so on!..
Also remember that some of the first Demos was actually Intros to cracked games
But back to the issue at hand.
Parties like DH and TG are NOT focus parties, no!
we're parties that want ot include EVERYONE.
At TG I've seen everything from the TotalNewbieJustGotMyComputerForXmas to the Serious42YearOldEngineerWhoIsHereToPlayQuakeWithH
So PLEASE stop acting like jerks and can the Game Lamahs,Scene Nazi,Leecher Dood,IRC geek or whatever you feel you need to call your fellow Computer Enthusiast to feel superior.
Oh and Greets to all Old Amiga farts out there..
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Can you imagine all the licensing fees?
So, er, how much power do you suppose is pulled at the annual COMDEX show at the Las Vegas Convention Center? A "mere" 6000 computers? Not a problem, once you think about the realities of robotic lighting systems, effects machines, LOTS of sound, and all the peripherals that chew watts like cherry Pez...
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But why doesn't NT complain? I remember NT would complain of such things (I remember trying to run DOOM on an NT box one time - gave me an error about trying to access the hardware directly). This switch, as you point out, is done via a BIOS interrupt - so why doesn't NT complain? Did MS change something to allow better handling of this?
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