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Russia Declassifies "Stealth" Warship
krez writes "Today's RFE/RL Newsline states The Russian Navy has declassified Project 20380, a warship designed with stealth technology. The ship has a range of 4000km, clips along at 30 knots (55 km/h). The ship has both offensive and defensive roles, and comes armed with the supersonic Yakhont first strike missiles, and the Medvedka 400mm anti-submarine missiles. This is a big step in Russia's attempt to re-establish itself as a world naval super-power, after a decade of budget cuts." Technical details are very very scant on here - if you know more, please post below.
Yes, stealth like the way vodka just creeps up on you.
Thanks,
Travis
forkspoon@hotmail.com
The day my daughter was born was the happiest day of my life. One week later all of my joy turned to sorrow when my wife was killed in an auto accident on the way to the doctor. She was crossing an intersection when a car hit her from the side. She never even knew what happened. The car hit the driver's side and she was killed instantly. Maybe that was for the best because at least she didn't suffer. The driver of the other car simply didn't see the light change. One moment of inattentiveness cost the life of the women I loved. I was devastated. With a good job, a beautiful daughter, and the rest of our lives ahead of us, it was suddenly all gone. I was numb for months. Fortunately my boss was very understanding. With a newborn at home and my wife gone my work hours were strange to say the least. Eventually he agreed to set up all of the necessary equipment for me to work from home. With a powerful computer and a fast network connection I was able to develop software at home during the hours that I wasn't caring for my baby. My productivity actually increased and my boss agreed that this was a good permanent solution for me. This way I could be with my little girl and still have my career. Little Samantha was rapidly becoming my life. Here was the only real connection to my wife. Together we had produced this precious and beautiful child and now it was a living link to the woman I loved.
Being at home with the baby almost all of the time made it difficult to maintain contact with my friends and coworkers. By the end of the first month at home my contact with them was limited to email and chat room conversations. Somehow with as much as I had to do to keep up work and the baby it seemed very natural that I not have much contact with others. I suppose this is how it all started. Two months after the accident I was reading email from a good friend who asked if I was lonely. It suddenly occurred to me that I had not even thought about sex in the last two months. With the shock of the accident and the ever present needs of a baby girl I simply had not had time to listen to my body. While Sam was sleeping quietly in the crib that I kept in the computer room, I started thinking about the last time I had made love to my wife. Trying to block out the pain of her passing I remembered what a wonderful sexual relationship we shared. She was always willing to experiment with new things and showed both creativity and skill in our love making. Voraciously oral after being introduced to that pleasure, there was nothing she loved better than swallowing my warm seed. One playful evening after we had been eating watermelon, one thing led to another and we ended up naked on the floor of the living room. As we started to make love she squealed and said that we had to stop for a minute so that she could pee. Since she was already really juicy I told her to not bother wiping afterwards. Still feeling playful I followed my wife into the bathroom and watched as she took a very satisfying piss. Feeling a little kinky she said that would feel better if she could wipe. Cocking an eyebrow she wondered if we could think up a way to clean herself off that wouldn't dry her wonderful juices. I told her to stand up and lean back a little. I then proceeded to lick her clean. Although a little pungent I found both the taste and the aroma of her piss very arousing. By that time my hard-on was throbbing so hard I was getting dizzy from lack of blood! I picked my wife up, threw her onto the bed, and practically raped her. Surprised at how turned on I had gotten we talked a little bit about what had happened. We agreed that it might be interesting to try out some water sports. I told her that now might be a good time to think about starting since I was starting to get excited again and the watermelon had already run through me as well. Hearing this she jumped up and headed back to the bathroom. Once there she stepped into the tub, sat down, and said "OK, loverboy, piss on me!" By that time I really had to go but I also had a first-class hard-on. I stood next to the tub and concentrated on relaxing enough to pee. At first just a dribble came out but that was quickly followed by a fountain of piss that showered down all over her body. Suddenly she leaned over and put her mouth just above my penis. There was no way I could stop peeing at that point so I just watched as my urine shot straight up into her mouth and back out. I could see that she was actually swallowing some of it! By the time I was done peeing I was ready to take her again. Instead she just popped my erection into her mouth and started pumping away. I must have lasted all of ten strokes before I was shooting an enormous load into her mouth. She swallowed all of it before looking up and giving me a big grin. "Nice!", she said. "Piss and cum mix very well!". I couldn't believe what I was hearing!!
From that day on she took every opportunity to mix her special cocktail. We bought a special container that we kept in the master bathroom just for piss. We never used the toilet when we were home, instead we both peed into the container. In the evenings or on weekends she would have me masturbate into the container. She then proceeded to drink down her favorite beverage. She claimed that it was good for her skin. Who was I to argue. I thought she never looked better! I think that the kinkiest thing we did happened one weekend. I had just taken my first piss of the day into our clean bucket (we always started each day with the container cleaned) when my wife jumped me. We made passionate love and I ended up dumping my load in her pussy. After a bit of cuddling she got up with a funny look in her eyes and headed for the bathroom. Curious what she had in mind I followed her. She grabbed the contained and put it on the ground. Squatting over it she opened her pussy lips with her fingers and let my cum dribble directly from her cunt into the bucket. When she was done she picked up the bucket, swirled around the mixture of juices, and smiling proceeded to drink the whole thing. When she was done she daintily wiped her mouth and said, "It's always best when both are warm.."
As I remembered these things I found that I had gotten an enormous hard-on. Realizing that this was the first time that I had an erection in months I decided to do something about it. Making sure Sam was still asleep I took off my shorts and underwear. Since I did not want to make a mess I went and got a towel. Leaning back in my chair I continued to remember all of the kinky things that my wife and I had done. Before I knew what was happening I had a tremendous orgasm. I thanked forethought for saving a mess and used the towel to clean up. Just then Sam made a sound and rolled over from her side to her back. Going over to her crib I looked down at that pristine smile and loved her all the more knowing that she had been the product of some wild and wonderful love-making session with my wife. Feeling something I looked down and saw that there was a large drop of cum oozing from the end of my penis. Reaching back to grab the towel I stopped. A crazy though had entered my head. Maybe it was being alone for so long with only a baby. Maybe it was that I missed my wife so much and all of the wonderful things we used to do. I'm still not sure why I did it but I used my finger to scoop up the blob of sperm and I put it onto Sam's lips. I'll never forget how she licked her lips in her sleep and the cum disappeared into her mouth. Suddenly I was raging hard again. Not really understanding what I was doing I reached for one of Sam's bottles. In just a few strokes I was cumming with ferocious intensity into the bottle. I put it down and then cleaned up with the towel. I went to the kitchen and mixed some formula into the bottle containing my seed. I set this down next to Sam's crib and waited.
It was another 40 minutes before Sam realized that she was done sleeping. Her cries roused me from my own dozing and I went over to her crib. As soon as she saw me she stopped crying and smiled. I picked her up and cuddled her to me. Sensing that she was fidgety I set her down and checked her diaper. Since it was dry I assumed that she was hungry. Grabbing my special bottle of formula I went into the kitchen and used the microwave to warm the bottle. Sam knew what was coming and was very excited. I checked to make sure the mixture wasn't too hot and then gently placed the bottle at her lips. Suddenly presented with food Sam started to suckle strongly. With just a twinge of guilt I watched as she drank the whole bottle, seed and all. I felt weak. I was confused by what I had done but very turned on. I decided to watch Sam very carefully to make sure that she was not going to be adversely effected by her new formula mix. I fed her only the normal mix for the rest of that day and watched closely for any signs of discomfort on her part. When she had gone for nearly 48 hours without showing any indication that my new formula mix had caused her problems I decided to try again. This time I only mixed half a bottle of formula to my one load. The liquid was noticeably thicker. When I gave it to Sam she didn't seem to mind or even notice any difference in her food. She very happily sucked each bottle down to nothing.
This became a regular part of my daily routine. At least once a day I would mix a bottle of my special cocktail for Sam. As the weeks went by I would mix in less and less of the formula until one day I decided to try something different. Sam was at the point where she was able to roll herself over and sort of scoot herself around. I put her down on the ground and then removed my pants and underwear. Already very excited at the thought of what I was about to do I grabbed a bowl from the kitchen and went back to keep an eye on Sam. She seemed perfectly content to sit on the ground and wobble. Watching her I slowly stroked myself to an orgasm. Catching almost all of my cum in the bowl I cleaned up a bit and then sat down next to Sam. Excited at having someone to play with Sam giggled and scooted over to me. I picked her up and sat her down on the floor between my legs. Reaching for the bowl and the spoon I had brought along just for this purpose I scooped up a bit of my sperm and brought it to Sam's mouth. Not thinking that this was anything unusual Sam opened up and I popped the spoon right in. Since the flavor was familiar to her (if a bit stronger) she just swallowed it down without a problem. My heart was pounding as I scooped up all of my sperm and fed it to my lovely daughter while sitting there on the floor.
Once I was finished I leaned over to place the bowl and spoon on a table. As I was leaning Sam lost her balance and sort of plopped down on all fours. This put her face at eye level with my crotch. Being distracted by my attempt to put the bowl on the table I was therefor very surprised to feel something warm and wet on my penis. Sam had done what all babies do when confronted with something new. She had put my penis into her mouth! Well, ok, not the whole thing. At 6" (while hard) I wasn't huge but there was no way that any part of my little friend could fit into Sam's mouth. She was sort of sucking on the side just below the head. I just sat there watching her explore for a few minutes when I had an idea.
As my daughter played with my penis I started to grow hard again. She continued to grab and suck on the side of my erection as it grew to full size. I sat her up again and then knelt in front of her bringing the end of my penis to her mouth. She reached out with her little hands and brought the end to her lips and began to suck and nibble. Not having any teeth there was certainly no discomfort on my part. As she drooled all over the end of my dick I was slowly stroking myself towards an orgasm. Since I had only cum about 10 minutes ago I didn't think I would have too large of a load. Being as excited as I was it only took me a few minutes to build to my climax. With a quiet moan I released my load into my daughter's mouth directly. Suddenly confronted with what she thought of as food Sam began to suckle as best she could. What she was unable to swallow ended up dripping out of her mouth and collecting on her chin. After my final squirt I gently pulled the tip of my penis away from Sam's mouth and rested back on my heels to look at my daughter. She seemed confused at the sudden lack of something to play with and sort of just stared at me. Realizing the enormity of what I had just done I came to a final decision. Standing up quickly I went into the next room and got my digital camera. When I returned to Sam she was still sitting with cum dripping off of her chin. She seemed to have just discovered this and had started to play with it. Now there were streamers of cum between her chin and her little hands. I started to take some pictures as she seemed to realize that what she was playing with was also good to eat. She then proceeded to stuff as much of the gooey material into her mouth as she could. Once done she looked up at me with a precious smile, cum still lightly coating her face and hands. I snapped a few more shots and then took a warm wash cloth and cleaned her up.
From that day on things started changing. Instead of putting Sam into her crib at night I made sure that she slept with me. It became normal practice for me to feed Sam a fresh load both in the evening and first thing in the morning. To her it seemed a perfectly normal thing to suck down the biggest load I could give her.
My collection of pictures which started on that first occasion also began to grow. I would put Sam on the bed and then masturbate over her body. She would end up completely showered with my cum which I thought made a wonderful picture. I also decided at that point to start documenting her body. At first I would simply snap a few shots of her lying naked on the bed. Then I began exploring her little cunny. With her on her back I would spread her legs wide and take close-ups. Using my finger I would very gently spread her tiny cunt lips to expose both her tiny hole and the little bump of her clitty.
It was during one of these photo sessions when I got curious and decided to taste my daughter's pussy. While she giggled and cooed I gently ran my tongue over her slit and clitty. She seemed to enjoy this a great deal so I continued doing this for awhile. Suddenly I was rewarded with a stream of fresh little girl piss in my mouth. Although surprised I found that I enjoyed it a great deal. Drinking as much as I could I then proceeded to lick her clean. Suddenly I realized something. Picking Sam up and putting her on a clean blanket on the floor I went to the bathroom. I opened the cabinet under the sink and pulled out the container that my wife and I had used to hold our piss. I thoroughly cleaned and dried it and then went back to the room where my daughter was playing. As she scooted around the room I took a piss into the container. Taking one of her bottles I poured some of the warm golden fluid inside. I put the cap onto the bottle and then picked up my daughter. She fidgeted for a moment until I brought the bottle to her lips. She latched onto the nipple and started to suckle. Without any hesitation she emptied the bottle. I was elated! Here was my little daughter drinking my piss like apple juice.
I made up my first cocktail that night. It was a great success. Sam seemed to genuinely enjoy the mix of my cum with my piss. I discovered that this was only true when both were fresh and warm, however, so I always made sure that she got the freshest combination I could provide.
She was growing quickly and developing her motor skills very rapidly. She said her first word at 7 months which I am proud to say was "Dada". As she learned to crawl and then to walk holding onto various objects I continue feeding her a regular mix of both cocktails and my sperm direct from the source. I also continued to lick her cute little pussy on a regular basis.
When she was 18 months old I talked with my boss and told him that I wanted to move out of the suburbs where I was living to a more natural setting. My excuse was that I wanted my daughter to grow up with more space. He agreed since I rarely came into the office anyway and the net connection was sufficiently fast to allow my work to continue. I began looking and found a property on over 30 acres of land. Most of it was forest land and the house was very secluded.
Sam and I moved there and quickly settled in. Since it was summer and we were so secluded I decided that there was no reason for either of us to wear clothing. The yard was a beautiful 3/4 acre of green grass that was surrounded by a chain fence. The former owners had two large dogs which needed roaming space and confinement. It was perfect for us. Sam loved to explore the yard and I made sure that there was nothing around which could hurt her.
She had just turned two and was developing quite a vocabulary when she first asked for her snack on her own. Since we were always naked she could see me making up her cocktails and, of course, she would still take my load directly once or twice a day. By this age she was well into solid food but she still had a special bottle at least once a day, normally during dinner. I was sitting on the front porch watching her run around the yard when she came over and asked if she could have a snack. Thinking that she wanted some crackers I started to get up. She looked a bit confused and again asked for a snack. This time, however, she reached out and grabbed my penis. Suddenly understanding what she wanted I sat back down. She stood between my legs and put my penis into her mouth. Up to that point I had always been the one to stroke myself to an orgasm. This time, however, I told her that if she wanted a snack she needed to know how make one for herself. I took her little hands and showed her how to slowly rub up and down on my cock. Just the thought of what was happening took me to the edge and with the help of her hands I had a very powerful orgasm in just a few minutes. She had grown very adept at sucking down every drop and, as usual, nothing spilled out of her mouth. When I had finished my orgasm and she had finished swallowing she turned around and started back to play in the yard. I asked her what she should say and she turned around and said "Thank you" before continuing back to the yard.
From then on I would only provide her snack when she wanted it. She would normally approach me at least twice a day for a treat. At one point she asked if she could mix her treat with her food at dinner. Not being one to criticize another persons culinary desires I stood up and masturbated onto her plate of noodles for her. She very happily (and messily) slurped up both the noodles and my cum. 'Cum noodles' became one of her favorite foods to eat, and one of my favorite foods to prepare.
I continued the tradition of taking pictures of her on a regular basis. She was old enough to help on her own and knew that when she saw me with the camera she should pose for me. It was nothing for her to plop down on the grass, spread her legs wide, and hold open her little cunt lips open for me. She would pee into the air or allow me to cum in her mouth at a moments notice. I loved the shots of her with her mouth wide open and full of a fresh load of my cum.
One day I decided to start experimenting with something new. Since I was still licking her little slit on a regular basis (and still occasionally drinking her piss) I knew that her little hole was very small and tight. Since I would never think of causing my little girl any pain I decided to find out if she could put anything into her little pussy herself.
While taking pictures in the house I had her lay on her back with her legs spread. I put a little vaseline around her hole and on the little finger of her left hand. I placed the fingertip at the entrance to her little vagina and told her to see if she could make her finger disappear. Seeming a bit confused at first I helped her out a bit my gently putting pressure on her finger and watching the tip slip into her hole. She suddenly understood and began trying to put her finger in on her own. I started snapping away while she sat up and watched as part of her finger disappeared into her body. She seemed fascinated by this.
For at least ten minutes she would pull her finger out and push it back in to about the second knuckle of her pinkie, watching how it would disappear into her cunt. For my part I was incredibly excited and asked Sam if she wanted a snack. Coming back to reality for a minute she nodded yes and I popped the end of my penis into her mouth. I let loose my load within minutes and sat back and watched as she went back to playing her new game.
She remained fascinated with her ability to make her fingers disappear. I encouraged her to play her game as often as she wanted and even kept the vaseline jar open so that she could take a swipe whenever she wanted to. I told her that it might be fun for her to try different fingers and within a few weeks she could put any of her fingers (including her thumb) all the way into her vagina.
At this point I introduced her to placing other objects into her pussy. I made it very clear that she was only to use things which I provided and that she must always wash them with soap and water before using them. One day I called her into another room where I was working. When she ran in I noticed something between her legs. When I asked her what it was she looked down and said it was one of her toys. She then proceeded to lay on the ground and spread her legs showing me the smooth dowel that I had given her firmly embedded in her cunt. She had apparently been playing with it and had not bothered to take it out when I called her into the room. I made this a new game for her. That she should walk around as often as possible with something sticking out of her cunt. I showed her how important it was that before she start to walk around the object be pushed in as deeply as was comfortable to prevent it from coming out. She thought this was a fun idea and took it very seriously always keeping something inside and showing me often. I would praise her when she showed me and playfully pull them out so that I could watch her put them back inside.
I was slowly increasing the diameter of her play things. By the time she was 3 1/2 years old she was able to put a small dildo inside and walk around with it for hours. I changed the rules a bit by introducing her to anal penetration. Using the same method as before I got her into walking around with things inside both her pussy and ass. I always made sure that she never swapped the two. But it wasn't an issue since the dowel in her ass was initially so much smaller than what she could put into her pussy.
By this time we were also getting into potty training. When she had to poo we would bring her to the bathroom and use a small child's toilet. But when she had to pee we made it a special occasion. I had bought a special basin which she would squat over to pee. When she was done we would pour the frothy liquid into her special pee glass and then she would drink it while it was still warm. She understood that this was a special drink that only she could produce. It was also at this time that I started making sure that she understood that my cum was a special drink that only I could produce. And that it was something that could only be shared between a father and a daughter.
When Sam was five I went to our local authorities and petitioned for the right to school her at home. There was no problem with doing this with the understanding that once each year Sam would undergo some standardized tests to make sure that she was making adequate progress. I obtained as much documentation as possible about the required studies of a kindergarten through second-grader and prepared to start Sam's more formal education.
Since so much of our life was a game to Sam I decided to continue to use this approach for her academics. This proved very effective and she began quickly mastering the alphabet, numbers, tying her shoes, and all of the other very important skills normally required of a 5-year-old.
Since it helped to have a routine for learning we would begin the day by having lessons and games which helped her develop skills. I would create lessons for her to work on while I would be working and she would come and ask questions about things as she needed help. I found that Sam's mind was very quick and that she seemed to enjoy a slightly more formalized approach to learning. I also noticed that she seemed surprisingly focused for so young a child.
Since we were evolving into a routine around learning I decided to include some new skill sets that she could work on developing. By this time it was normal for her to wander around for most of the day with a 5" dildo in her vagina and a 3" dildo in her ass. I told her that it was important that she learn how to avoid relying on things like vaseline. Using the excuse that it was better to avoid artificial materials whenever possible I suggested that she always use her own saliva or urine to lubricate her toys when she put them in. I emphasized that for her pussy she could use either liquid but for her anal toys she could only use piss. I didn't want her to be licking anything that had been in her ass. After that I would often see her pull the dildo out of her vagina and put it in her mouth to make it wetter.
At this time I also went out and bought a series of dildos which started at about the same size as the one she was using and got gradually longer and wider. I showed her the collection of dildos and assigned her the task of learning gradually how to make them fit inside of her. I told her that it was up to her how quickly she progressed and that the most important thing about it was that she never be uncomfortable. Once I had explained her assignment she asked when she should start. I told her that she could begin anytime that she was ready. At that she sat down and slipped the dildo out of her pussy. Grabbing the next larger instrument she coated it with her saliva and started trying to slip it in. I told her that I was very proud to see her learning such important things and then left her to work on her own.
By the end of three months Sam had progressed very quickly in her studies. She was already beyond what the normal kindergarten curriculum actually required of students and was moving into the first grade material. She had also gotten to the point that she could easily insert the largest of the dildos into her pussy. I remember the first time that she was able to do it. I heard a scream of joy and then she ran into my office yelling "I did it, Daddy! Look!" She then dropped to the ground, spread her legs, and pointed at her crotch. Neatly embedded in her little cunt was a 6 1/2" dildo. I praised her and once again told her how proud I was of her progress. I asked her whether or not she was comfortable with her new toy inside of her. She said that she felt a little full and stretched but it wasn't too bad. I told her that now it was important to become very comfortable with this size toy. She was to be able to pop it in and out without feeling any discomfort. She promised to try very hard and I picked her up and hugged her.
I told her that since she had been working and studying so hard that we needed to take a break. I suggested that we go for a walk in the woods together and she thought that was a great idea. Since we weren't sure who might be in the woods we decided to get dressed before leaving. It was a beautiful day out with just a mild breeze. The sunlight dappled the forest floor which was soft to walk on because of all of the leaves which fell from the trees throughout the years. We walked for about half an hour before Sam announced that she was very thirsty and that she had to pee. When she realized that we didn't have her special container for her to pee in she became upset. She didn't want to waste any of her pee because she felt it was too special. I told her that if you had to waste it every now and then because of very special circumstances that it was ok. I suggested that she just lift up her dress (she never wore panties) and pee wherever she wanted to. Looking around she found a nice spot a few feet off of the trail that we had been following. She bunched her dress around her waist, squatted down, and let loose with a lovely stream of piss. When she was done she announced that she was still very thirsty. I told her that I also had to pee and that we could solve both problems at once. I told her to kneel down in front of me and to take out my penis. Once she had done this I had her cover the tip of my dick with her mouth. I then told her that I would piss very slowly so that she could swallow when she needed to. I gently relaxed and slowly dribbled my urine into her mouth. I would stop whenever I felt her swallow and then continued until I was done. She licked my penis and then put it away for me. Standing up she smiled beautifully and said that she wasn't thirsty anymore. With that she ran away shouting "Can't catch me, can't catch me!". I took off after her and we spent a lovely afternoon exploring the woods.
Later that week I asked how she was doing with her toy. She told me that she was very comfortable walking around with it and that it didn't feel very tight anymore. I asked her to show me and she came over and laid down on the floor in front of me. The dildo was nicely placed inside of her pussy. I asked if she could move it at all and she grabbed the end and started to slide it in and out. I told her I was very excited about it and asked if she was ready to try a new game. She asked what type of game and I told her that she was ready to do something very special with her Daddy. I told her to take the dildo out of her pussy and to follow me to our bedroom. Once there I told her that we were going to try using my penis like one of her toys. I had her lie back on the bed with her legs spread. I spent about five minutes licking her little cunt and getting it nice and wet. I then had her sit up and lick and suck my penis until it was both hard and wet. Then I laid on my back with my penis sticking straight up. I told her that she should try putting my dick into her pussy by slowly sitting down on it. She smiled and told me that it should be easy since her latest toy was bigger than my penis. With that she crawled onto the bed with me. She stood up and put one leg on either side of my hips. She squatted down and grabbed my penis. Placing the head of my dick against her wet opening she slowly lowered herself. I groaned as I watched inch by inch of my penis disappear into her pussy. I was in heaven. I hadn't been inside a woman in over five years and this was unbelievable. I resisted the urge to buck my hips up to meet her because I wanted to make sure that she got it in at her own pace. Within just a few minutes I was buried to the hilt in my five-year-old daughter.
She looked down at me and smiled saying, "See Daddy, that was easy!". I was so turned on that I could barely contain myself. I suggested that she try bouncing up and down to see what it felt like. She lifted herself up a few inches and then came back down again. I groaned and she asked if I was alright. I told her that I liked that way that felt on my penis. She smiled and started to bounce up and down. It only took about 30 seconds of that before I grabbed her by the hips and pulled her tightly down on my cock and shot a huge load into her pussy. She asked what had happened and I told her that I had hidden her treat inside of her.
With that she stood up slowly, releasing my still erect penis from her small cunt with a pop. Seeing that my penis was covered in cum she quickly laid down and licked it clean. When I asked her where the rest of her treat was she that she could feel it inside of her. I told her to show me and she flipped around and spread her legs. Her little cunt lips were closed tightly. She told me that she was holding it inside so that she didn't loose any of it. I asked her how she planned to eat it and she looked perplexed for a moment. Then her face brightened and she said "With a spoon!". I got off of the bed and went into the kitchen. I got one of her baby spoons and brought it back to the bedroom. She was still laying back with her legs spread and waiting for me. I warmed the spoon until it was almost hot to the touch and then gave it to her. She sat up and tried to see how to get the spoon into her pussy. I reached over for a small mirror and positioned it so that she could see the opening. She relaxed her pussy enough to let the spoon slip inside. I watched as she brought it back out holding a mouthful of my cream which she then proceeded to eat. Kicking myself for letting this photo opportunity almost pass I asked her to wait for just a minute and ran for my camera. When I returned I had her take a few more spoonfuls out of her pussy while I snapped away. I then slipped a pillow underneath her ass. This positioned her so that her cunt slit was almost horizontal. I had her use both hands to spread herself as wide as possible and also to relax her pussy muscles. Her little opening slowly relaxed into a small hole. I told her to push a bit and watched as I was rewarded with the site of a big blob of my own cum oozing out of my daughters pussy. I snapped away as I told her to use her fingers to feed herself her snack. She pushed out as much cum as possible and transferred it to her mouth. She commented that it tasted differently than normal. When I asked if she enjoyed the taste, she told me that she thought it was better! I picked her up and hugged her tightly telling her how much I loved her and how happy she made me.
From that day on we made love as often as possible. Sam figured out quickly that the best way to be sure to get all of my sperm out of her little pussy was to keep her piss bowl near. When we were done she would squat over the bowl, open herself with her fingers, and push my load out. She would then eat it with a spoon or just use her fingers to scoop it up into her mouth. Sometimes if she had to go or she just felt thirsty she would finish letting my cum drain from her and then piss into the bowl. After mixing my cum and her piss together in the bowl with her fingers she would drain the whole thing in just a few gulps.
She became my little love slave. I would never have to ask her twice to suck me off or spread her legs so that I could fuck her. And she absolutely NEVER wasted my cum. She always managed to find a way to make sure she ate it.
She was actually the one who asked whether she could try using my dick in her ass instead of one of her toys. I saw that she had worked up her anal toys until they were almost as large as my penis. I told her that we could certainly try but that since she had not yet reached a large enough size we should use some vaseline to make things more slippery. She slipped her toy out of her ass and then ran into the bathroom to get the vaseline. I met her coming out of the bathroom and we went to our bedroom together. She got on her hands and knees and stuck her ass back at me. I could see her little anal sphincter winking at me. I dipped my fingers into the vaseline and coated all around her asshole. I then did the same for my penis. I scooted her to the edge of the bed so that I could stand behind her with my dick at the same level as her opening. This gave me the most control so that I could go very slowly.
As I placed the head of my dick at her entrance I said, "Honey, I'm going to push very slowly. You let me know if anything feels uncomfortable, OK?"
"OK, Daddy", she replied.
I held my penis in my hand and put gentle pressure on her sphincter. Since she was already trained to relax and accept things into her ass the head popped right in. I stopped at once and just stood motionless with the head of my dick in my little girls ass.
"How is it, Honey?", I asked.
"I little tight but it feels kinda good", she said.
"How about if I just stay here and you push back, that way you can control how much is inside?", I asked.
"OK, here I go!", she said.
With that, I felt her pushing back into me. My penis started to sink into her anal cavity at a slow but steady pace.
A few minutes later she said "I can't go back any farther, Daddy". The reason for that was because there was nothing of me left outside.
"Sam, I'm all the way in. Why don't you try to move a little. We'll see how that feels for you."
She began to pull forward. My dick slipped out about two inches before she moved back towards me. Her ass was so incredibly tight! All of her training with her toys had made her large enough to take my dick inside of her without a problem. However, it didn't take away from the fact that she was small! As she pulled forward again I pulled back so that more of my penis came out of her ass. Within a few minutes we had reached the point where I was at full stroke. As I reached my orgasm I slid all the way into her and just held her in that position.
"I can feel my treat coming out!", she cried as I pumped her ass full of my cream. It took me a few minutes to just come down off of my orgasmic rush. I slowly slipped out of her ass and then lay down on the bed. She snuggled up for a few minutes and then I felt her slither down my body.
I knew what she was going to do so I said, "Honey, you shouldn't clean me up after I've been inside your bottom. You could get sick"
"But Daddy, I can't waste my treat!", she cried.
"Sweetheart, it's not wasted, it's still inside of you." I said, trying to cheer her up.
Pouting she looked at me for a minute and then said, "I don't think I'd get sick."
"Remember, dear, how I've always warned you not to lick your butt toys? The reason was that you could catch a bug from them."
"But Daddy, I have licked them before...."
I was stunned. I asked her to explain.
"Well, one day I was walking around with one of my newer, bigger butt toys inside when it fell out", she said. "I picked it up and was trying to get it back in but it was not slippery enough. I didn't have to pee and I remembered what you said about not using my spit but I didn't want to bother you since you were working real hard on the computer so I just stuck it in my mouth and got it all wet before putting it back inside."
"When was that, dear", I asked suddenly getting very concerned about Sam's health.
"Months ago, daddy", she said.
"And have you done that any more?", I asked.
"Oh, every day since then. I kind of like the taste of it so I just kept doing it."
I tried to recall if Sam had been sick at all during the last few months but she had always seemed fine.
"Have you felt bad at all after doing that, Sam?"
"No Daddy, I feel fine!", she said. "Can I please clean you off now?" she pleaded with those puppy dog eyes which no father can ever resist.
"Well, since it seems ok I guess you can", I said.
"Yippee!" and with that she stuffed my dick into her mouth and proceeded to clean me thoroughly.
Once done she got up and said, "I still have your treat in me and I wanna eat it!" I thought about it for a few minutes and told her to wait there. I went into the kitchen and got a plate. Coming back into the bedroom I put the plate on the ground and asked her to come over. I reached for my camera and then had her squat down as only children can so that her asshole was just above the plate. I backed up a little and told her to try to relax and let her treat come out if she could. She seemed to concentrate for a few seconds and then I saw a stream of liquid coming from her little puckered asshole and dribbling onto the plate. She did that for about 30 seconds before the stream stopped.
"I think that's all of it", she said.
Standing up she looked down at the plate and then picked it up. Apparently deciding that a spoon was not needed she just stood there in the middle of the bedroom and licked the plate clean. I snapped away as she would take a lick and come away from the plate with a streamer of sperm hanging from her chin. When she was finished there was not a drop left anywhere.
"Thank you, Daddy, that was yummy!", she said.
I put the camera down and picked her up.
"I think it's shower-time for you and me, little girl." I flipped her over my shoulder and started tickling her as we headed for the bathroom. She giggled and screamed all the way there....
After being introduced to anal sex Sam would purposely try different combinations. We would watch entire videos with her ass impaled on my dick. If I came in her pussy she would purposely take a large finger full of cum and dip it in her ass before licking it clean. While making love we would start in her pussy and end up in her ass. Sometimes I would even change holes from one to the other while actually cumming, this way depositing my seed in both places. She would then perform her squat and leak all of my cum out of each hole and claiming that this was the best taste combination of all. Sometimes she would walk around for an hour with my cum in her before she decided that she was hungry enough to eat it. She liked to keep it warm this way.
It was funny to think about my little girl. At almost six years old she was perfectly normal in almost every way. She ran and played and giggled and cried and asked questions until I couldn't come up with any more answers. And she was the most exciting lover I had ever had. Perhaps it was because of her little girl nature that I found her so exciting. It was a combination of a game for her as well as something that she knew made her daddy feel good. Plus it was a way for her to receive her daily snacks. Since that day with her and the bottle I don't think a single day had passed that she had not swallowed at least one load of my cum. It was simply a normal part of her life which she could not imagine being without.
On her sixth birthday I baked her a cake. After singing happy birthday and cutting out a slice she asked if I could put her treat on it. I stood up and told her that I might need some help. She knelt down in front of me and took as much of me into her mouth as she could. Once hard she turned around and bent over offering me her charms. I asked her which hole she preferred and she asked for her cunny since it had a sweeter flavor. I happily fucked her beautiful little pussy until I came hard. Smiling she then put the plate containing her slice of cake on the ground, squatted over it, and allowed my cum to drip all over it. Wiping her little slit with her fingers and licking them clean, she then sat back down at the table and proceeded to enjoy her birthday cake.
Copyright © 1997, Little Love. ALL Rights Reserved
This story may not be reproduced in any form for profit without the written permission of the author. This story may be freely distributed with this notice attached. The author may be contacted through mrdouble@ix.netcom.com.
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
... cos the fucking thing's invisible.
We cannot afford a stealth warship gap!
I'm not supposed to tell anyone about this, but I heard that it runs Linux.
The report documents 117 campus incidents as ``evidence'' of anti-Americanism. More than 40 professors are named, including the president of Wesleyan University, who suggested in an open letter that ``disparities and injustices'' in American society and the world can lead to hatred and violence.
All the stealth technology in the world won't save you when Boris is smashing bottles over live ordnance.
The point of this ship must be that it doesn't show up on radar-but does sonar still work on it, or did the Russians manage to quiet the noise of the ship enough? If they didn't, then they're idiots. Even if this did happen, the ship is still dumb. Unless the ship can somehow cloak itself (impossible) satellites will be able to pick it up. The ship won't be able to move fast enough to avoid detection by satellites, rendering the ship's main function useless.
Colin Winters
I remember seeing footage and video of the Sea Shadow stealth ship. I'd be intersted in seeing photos of this one; does it look as wedgy as our own stealth ships do? Or does it look similar to "regular" naval vessels with some minor reshaping that ends up having a major effect on the radar cross-section?
i am a soviet space shuttle
More broken links - trying to find out about missiles gets you redirected to the homepage.
Hemos - click on the links to see if they work first.
I'd assume that Russia's intent with this craft is not to launch a war against the U.S., but to give them the ability to approach other radar-equipped ships at sea without raising the alarm, with the side benefit of being impervious to radar-guided weaponry. Very useful for drug interdiction, coastal patrol, and generally dealing with seafaring baddies who don't have minute-by-minute satellite imagery at their disposal. I think that includes 95% of the world (and most of the U.S. fleet as well.)
Just because the combined intelligence resources of the West could be brought to bear to track one of these things doesn't mean it's useless. Our carriers are pretty easy to spot, and look how handy they've been lately.
Let me see....
USA
Stealth bombers, w/ laser guided bombs.
Russia
Stealth ships, with supersonic torpedoes
Australia
Collins Class Submarine, with extremely noisy engines.
Something tells me we (AU) wouldnt win a war.
Russia isn't going to get ahead by DECLASSIFYING it's modern weapons.
What's the point of having something new if everyone knows what it is?
The Slashdot Effect: A new for
Hasn't the US had a stealth warship for some time now? I don't know if they ever deployed it, but there was an experimental Navy craft housed in Alameda CA that only came out at night until the project was no longer secret. It looked like a cubist Batboat, or an F117 strapped to a catamaran.
What ever happened to that project?
Let's just hope the US government doesn't resort to Slashdot as an intelligence source... ;-)
mailto:<?=implode("@", array("chris", implode(".", array("php", "net"))))?>
Right here, bitches
No, this aint a troll. See the headline.
There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
It turns out its not a new ship at all. They consulted Microsoft on technology recycling. Funny that it looks a lot like a floating Mir...
Then 'Stealth' means it looks like a duct-tape bound pile of junk, similiar to what is usually found in my redneck neighbor's driveway.
Frankly, I'm surprised that the Russian government has money to spend on Military R&D when they just recently resorted to renting out the Russian segments of the ISS/Alpha as a tourist trap. Perhaps this practice is paying off?
Whatever is the case, I hope that this signals that the Russians are able to start competing in terms of scientific and technological advances again. Competition is good, and competition between superpowers-- so long as they're not openly hostile about it-- can result in some pretty impressive things.... The Apollo Program for example.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
Of course, our Navy won't talk about it. I've a friend in the Singapore navy, though, and he says that the American Navy is very arrogant, and likes to show off by steaming close by, but being completely invisible on radar.
The article says this is the first ship of its kind in the world, but they note the distinguishing factor is that it is a stealth ship armed with supersonic anti-ship missiles.
Even Slashdot wants to hide some things
can be found here and here
Imperium et libertas
Autocracy and freedom
This is really interesting- could it happen to be a coincidence that this is announced the same day that Bush announced the U.S. withdrawl from the missile treaty even though Putin said it was a bad idea? On a side note, there seems to be hardly anything about this on all the top news sites, but it was on the front page of my newspaper this morning. How could something so significant be ignored so quickly?
The future isn't what it used to be.
First guess, this is a small(er) combatant, not a major fleet unit. (Based on previous Russian naval philosophy.) It could either be the centerpiece of a frigate navy, or the building block of a real navy. Given Russia's ongoing economic problems, don't bet on it being much more than vaporware for a decade at least.
for Dada.
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MU!
Great, that's what the world needs right now, another arms race. What with the US deciding to ignore the AMB treaty and now this, the whole world is going crazy again.
America will be provoked into replying. This is bad. Russia barely has the infrastructure to support it's ailing nuclear warheads, and stop them firing off at the states, let alone getting locked into an arms race with the states again. They came of pretty badly last time, what makes them think it will be better this time?
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This was going to be first post, but my computer crashed. Thank you Microsoft. Oh well, I have negative karma anyway.
From the submission:"This is a big step in Russia's attempt to re-establish itself as a world naval super-power, after a decade of budget cuts."
Well I wouldn't exactly say that Russia isn't a navy super-power. They countinue to produce the best submarines in the world. Right now their first fourth generation (Borey class) strategic missile sub is being built, and they're making a new attack sub also.
This Corvette is not just Russia's idea. Smaller ships with more powerful weapons are simply a better idea then putting personal and resources into a valuable, highly concentrated target. There are about 200 Corvettes in the world right now, and the production of them is a billion dollar a year industry. Russia uses these things for sub detection, coastal patrol, and escorting. They've got first rate anti-sub and ant-ship missiles, a helicopter, surface to air missiles, and a 55 million dollar price tag.
I remember a story hitting world news a lot of years ago (7-8) about the Russians privatising a major electricity company and a few weeks later as the military didn't pay their electricity bill 3 nuclear subs going China syndrome in a bay somewhere. The electricity company was stormed by a battalion of pissed of soldiers and the power restored diverting a massive nuclear meltdown!
So all things considered the Russians did well to almost keep up with American technology.
All speling, factual, tact, and/or grametical errers be the result of netwerk interpherance or# transmition ererrs.
check out the Bellona foundation's page : their Northern Fleet page is superbly detailed and they have tons of technical details about Russia's subs and surface ships. They even have some information about projects such as the Severodvinsk-class 4th-generation submarine class that got canned when the Berlin wall collapsed, or never got finished due to lack of funding.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
"after a decade of budget cuts."
This is what you call all of about $300US being designated to research and development for their military?
"Technical details are very very scant on here - if you know more, please post below."
I have some technical details...
The thing is 3" long, made from a plastic, and powered my 12 caffeine-addicted mutant mice on a freaking wheel.
-EvilMonkeyNinja
Mild Mannered Host by Day
Wild Hammered Programmer by Night
Sick fucking rotten.com redirects above.
Goatse.cx Violent propaganda. Site not found.
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MU!
http://www.rusarm.ru/exprod.htm
I've always wanted to know where I could pick up a battle tank. That and enough equipment to equip an infantry company or two. I wonder if they take VISA.....
Per Ardua Ad Astra
russia going to take over afghanistan? are we going to put those spiffy new cavation torpedos on board that sunk Kursk? that's some good stuff.
Too bad it won't fit under my christmas tree or in my backyard.
They appear to be not allowing direct linkage to the information on the Yakhont and Medvenka missile systems. You can still get to the info though - from the homepage click on Export Products, then click on Navy. Halfway down are links to the Yakhont and Medvenka.
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco, in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?
Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"
Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?
That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?
Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.
No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.
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READER COMMENTS
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105)
this is good shit man
by Dark_Cobra87 on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180)
Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...
by Fecal Troll Matter on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791)
Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce...
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
by ArchieBunker on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679)
I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?
http://www.naawp.org/
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602)
Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.
I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.30 1:01 (#2634213)
Get a life you loser! Don't you have anything better to do than insult CmdrTaco and the gay community? We are not perverts, we are human beings just like you. So give it a rest!
by perdida on on 2001.11.27 14:13 (#2618764)
Shut up you asshole.
I am not great, I am merely adequate. I live in adequacy.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.26 22:22 (#2616035)
You weiner trool!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.25 9:14 (#2609574)
try to find a pic of actual "taco-snotting"! fucking funny it would be! so go to gay porn sites day in and day out until you find a man giving another man a blowjob that has jizz coming out of his nose and mouth. by the way, keep up the good work
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 12:18 (#2603370)
WIPO, this is getting waaaay old, either drop it or revise it.... there've been no updates for days now...
CmdrTaco
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.22 17:28 (#2600815)
A truly excellent and very humourous troll indeed!
However...
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves.
Black GeStaPo uniforms? The GeStaPo (Geheime Staatspolizei - Secret State Police) wore civilian clothes (although there are reports on them occasionally using Allgemeine SS uniforms in occupied territories).
I seriously doubt that perverted individuals like CmdrTaco et al would have the good taste to ever wear the outstandingly beautiful black Waffen SS uniforms! Please update the FAQ accordingly.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 4:06 (#2602610)
Actually, it appears you are both wrong!! Ah ha!! I think our boy WIPO was thinking of the Allgemeine SS uniforms. Waffen SS were grey.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:49 (#2594325)
oh yeah, you say you have masturbated only 2 times to this post. well, by the time it takes for me to get through reading it, i usually end up masturbated 5 to 6 times, 10 to 12 if i have the goatse.cx homepage loaded up and am looking at it side by side with the slashdot page. my keyboard, hands, mouse, monitor, the underside of my desk and around the floor under my desk are cum soaked and sticky with the man smell i know and love.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:41 (#2594311)
for version 2 you should make a total re-write of the cod...errr...text and add some details about cmdrtaco and the homo-gang's happenings with their coworkers (osdn?) and all of the gay revelry they enjoy and promote. by the way, did i just see cmdrtaco on television promoting the nax hair removal system? i guess after using vaseline in and around his ass he grew quite a ponytail and it had to be removed somehow...ouch!
by TRoLLaXoR on 2001.11.21 3:59 (#2594191)
WIPO, do you notice how few comments you get for anything you write/post/spam nowadays?
-Trollaxor
by sales_worldwide on 2001.11.20 11:53 (#2588488)
You forgot to mention Jon Katz's "docking" games, where he places his chopper head to head with another chap, and rolls the other guys foreskin over his own circumcised end ("docking"), providing him with fantasies of actually having his own forskin
"Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...
by Fucky the troll on 2001.11.20 11:28 (#2588446)
Woah! When did the WIPO troll get freed? And how the fuck did I miss it?
Excellent FP, sir.
This is a sig virus. Please put me in your sig
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.20 11:04 (#2588407)
omg that is crapflooding material if i ever saw it!!!!!! and u got a first post!!!! whoot to the wipo troll!!!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 9:03 (#2583756)
GW...you know we love every hair on your 27 acre ass... and I, for one, would never do anything untowards your graceful demeanor. And you probably have several friends that would love to help you do the bear dance all over my face if I so much as spelled your name wrong. And you know I'd defend your Constitutional right to defame God in heaven. I'd even help fund your education, should you ever decide to take that route. Hell, I'd buy you a tall tepid bear-whiz beer if you were here with me, right now!
But.
Now go stick your shaved head back down inside the woman's toilet, and just to show there's no hard feelings, I'll jump in the tow-truck and drive right over to help you pull it right out...ok?
thanks
by mark knopfler 69 on 2001.11.19 8:25 (#2583695)
I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU SIR. FOR ONE THING, THE E-MAIL FROM CMDRTACO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING MISTAKES. Let's be realistic here, CmdrTaco usually types with one hand, and since he is shaking from jacking off his aim on the keyboard isn't too good. Those e-mails were a little too well written. Sorry boy, you'll have to do better.
by WeatherTroll on 2001.11.19 8:14 (#2583667)
You should update this to say VA Software instead of VA Linux.
by smackmonkey on 2001.11.19 7:06 (#2583510)
Crackhead moderators: this is +5, Hilarious material.
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CNN declares War on Islam!
Left-wing America declares War on its Civil Liberties!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 5:40 (#2583336)
This was funny the first 100 times. Now it is getting boring!
by egg troll on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054)
Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!
For more info check out this
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822)
add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832)
and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com
other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!
by Wil Wheaton on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438)
Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
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by dead_puppy on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342)
Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:
From: malda@slashdot.org
To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
Subject: were where you last friday?
I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.
--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)
You finding Ling-Ling's head?
by Big_Ass_Spork on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300)
I do it wrong
Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
Massaging my nutsack she....
WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]
"OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"
"Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"
I DO IT WRONG!!!!
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All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...
by j0nkatz on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596)
I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the
I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601)
No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. .
by AbsoluteRelativity on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457)
The WIPO Troll
Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632)
Oh, man that's just sick !
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604)
TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place.
by vikool on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495)
what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
by I.T.R.A.R.K. on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890)
Where the fuck do I sign up?!
- I throw rocks at retarded kids
"Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753)
this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
by rockwood on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746)
OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701)
dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266)
horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com
Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
by egg troll on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024)
+5, Arousing
For more info check out this
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891)
WINNER>
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887)
I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412)
you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!
WIPO trolls > linux
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Crapflooder Associates
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Whether Europe becomes Bolshevist or whether we succeed in rescuing our continent and its people from this deadly threat will influence the future of many, perhaps all, future generations. This is the decisive historical significance of this war. The man who in the end frees our continent from its spiritual and military difficulties will be at the conclusion of the vast struggle, from the standpoint of history, the man of the war.
That does not change the fact that his opponents have done and are doing everything in their power to hinder the historical mission of the man who stands above his times. They are using their material superiority in population and weapons in an attempt to bring his work to naught. But all this will only increase the honor history will give him and add immortal fame to his name. Once the foul mist of vile and despicable wartime polemics has lifted, he will suddenly appear as the great historical figure of this enormous international drama, both to the living and even more to the coming generations.
Has it been 72 hours yet?
jgoebbels@propaganda.gov.3r
http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/jdw /jdw010417_3_n.shtml
Here's the tidbit of interest: "The admiral also told reporters that the navy was launching the construction of the new Project 20380 corvettes, which will be used for coastal patrol, escort and antisubmarine warfare operations. The first of class is scheduled to be laid down at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St Petersburg later this year. The design of this 1,900t stealthy corvette was developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design bureau."
Note that this article uses the term "stealthy corvette," which I suspect may have a different connotation from the 'stealth' technology we're generally used to.
Bon Voyage, destination: Taiwan
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
Do you have any idea how much it costs to develop something like this? It isn't being done for drug interdiction!!
Moreover, presumably all the ships in the US fleet are in constant communication therefore satelite imagery should be availible to all our ships...and in general to most of the first world nations. Those nations without satelite imagery availible probably don't have a navy large enough to really justify this sort of construction. Iraq had one of the larger armies in the world, border on ocean, and yet we didn't even hear a peep about their naval capabilities during gulf war.
Finally I doubt it is really impervious to radar guided weaponry. Stealth only works so well, once they get close enough they should be able to pick it up...satelite images should accomplish this.
If you liked this thought maybe you would find my blog nice too:
Er.... the thing is armed with supersonic anti-ship missles with a range of 300km..... slight overkill drug interdiction and coastal patrol no? Unless you consider blowing them out of the water before they are in your sea territory acceptable practice...
Kill'em! Kill'em all!
War ? isnt that where USA Kill its own people with their own state of the art laser guided missiles saving the enemy having to do it ?
:p
something tells me USA cant win wars either
This is just like The Hunt for Red October. So all we need is Alec Baldwin, and we'll just hope that Sean Connery is the Russian captain, and we have their ship and nothing to worry about here in the U.S.
--- There is a man in a smiling bag.
A strategic advantage this ship's instrumentation has over US seacraft:
On the bridge are numerous PCs, which (amongst other things) allow the ship's manuals to be read in Adobe e-Book format *and* PDF format.
-- In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was UNSIGNED, and the main(){} was without form and void...
It was a short time after the creation of the F-117 Blackbird that the creator of that plane proposed a design of a submarine with stealth capabilities. It was turned down because of the loss of several knots of speed. Of course there are other methods of detection that stealh doesn't prevent, so it's fairly moot. Of course the designer didn't bother continuing on his design of a stealth aircraft carrier because he didn't expect much greater acceptance of a huge ship that looks like a new-age pyramid.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
A strategic advantage this ship's instrumentation has over US seacraft:
On the bridge are numerous PCs, which (amongst other things) allow the ship's manuals to be read in Adobe e-Book format *and* PDF format.
-- In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was UNSIGNED, and the main(){} was without form and void...
This sounds like the Swedish Visby corvette, built by Kockums. They also make subs, most notably Australias Collins class diesel subs. Regards / ushac
Please clear the spider egg sacks and the pus out of that hairy cunt.
Last time I fucked you, afterbirth and maggots fell out on my dick.
I think I see some termites munching on a petrified fetus skull in there.
-> Yo slut, it's time for a DEEP DOUCHE. <-
Yeah you should really pour some Drano down in there. Get that thick crust off the sides.
It's bad to keep tampons in that long. Four months -- that's too much.
Get in there and DOUCHE that vulva, honey.
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
Well - blow up a couple of drugtrafficking ships, and people will start thinking twice, wouldn't you say?
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
In other news. Russia announced today their "Hacker Protection Program" loosely modeled after the US Witness Protection Plan.
The plan is designed to protect intelligent Russian Software Engineers like Dimitry Sklyarov.
When asked for comment, Directory of Foreign Technological Relations, Boris Imatrov said "The US is quickly becoming a very oppressive government. In order to protect out technological interest we created Project 20380".
The plan is to man the vessel with the top 200 "hackers" living in Russia. In exchange for near total protection from US persecution (the ship is armed to the teeth and invisible to radar), the geeks will be responsible for making sure she is always patched with the latest Linux kernel and is resistant to all but the most coordinated DDOS attacks.
Do you have any idea how much money is being spent on the misguided war on drugs?
Something like this could very well be used for drug interdiction amongst other tasks.
Wasn't there a show on UPN with Hulk Hogan in some stealth speed boat with missles?
I live life on the edge
Iraq bordered on Ocean... Oh Yeah. One of the major reasons it invaded Kuwait was it had only 10 miles of swampy coasts. Kuweit had much more.
And, please, How does even a fly-every-minute detect object under clouds and fogs? In those conditions such a ship could be useful even against the US.
From the story:
"Using Windows NT, which is known to have some failure modes, on a warship is similar to hoping that luck will be in our favor," DiGiorgio said.
Bush's education improvements were
Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco, in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?
Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"
Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?
That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?
Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.
No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.
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READER COMMENTS
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105)
this is good shit man
by Dark_Cobra87 on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180)
Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...
by Fecal Troll Matter on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791)
Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce...
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
by ArchieBunker on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679)
I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?
http://www.naawp.org/
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602)
Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.
I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.30 1:01 (#2634213)
Get a life you loser! Don't you have anything better to do than insult CmdrTaco and the gay community? We are not perverts, we are human beings just like you. So give it a rest!
by perdida on on 2001.11.27 14:13 (#2618764)
Shut up you asshole.
I am not great, I am merely adequate. I live in adequacy.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.26 22:22 (#2616035)
You weiner trool!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.25 9:14 (#2609574)
try to find a pic of actual "taco-snotting"! fucking funny it would be! so go to gay porn sites day in and day out until you find a man giving another man a blowjob that has jizz coming out of his nose and mouth. by the way, keep up the good work
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 12:18 (#2603370)
WIPO, this is getting waaaay old, either drop it or revise it.... there've been no updates for days now...
CmdrTaco
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.22 17:28 (#2600815)
A truly excellent and very humourous troll indeed!
However...
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves.
Black GeStaPo uniforms? The GeStaPo (Geheime Staatspolizei - Secret State Police) wore civilian clothes (although there are reports on them occasionally using Allgemeine SS uniforms in occupied territories).
I seriously doubt that perverted individuals like CmdrTaco et al would have the good taste to ever wear the outstandingly beautiful black Waffen SS uniforms! Please update the FAQ accordingly.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 4:06 (#2602610)
Actually, it appears you are both wrong!! Ah ha!! I think our boy WIPO was thinking of the Allgemeine SS uniforms. Waffen SS were grey.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:49 (#2594325)
oh yeah, you say you have masturbated only 2 times to this post. well, by the time it takes for me to get through reading it, i usually end up masturbated 5 to 6 times, 10 to 12 if i have the goatse.cx homepage loaded up and am looking at it side by side with the slashdot page. my keyboard, hands, mouse, monitor, the underside of my desk and around the floor under my desk are cum soaked and sticky with the man smell i know and love.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:41 (#2594311)
for version 2 you should make a total re-write of the cod...errr...text and add some details about cmdrtaco and the homo-gang's happenings with their coworkers (osdn?) and all of the gay revelry they enjoy and promote. by the way, did i just see cmdrtaco on television promoting the nax hair removal system? i guess after using vaseline in and around his ass he grew quite a ponytail and it had to be removed somehow...ouch!
by TRoLLaXoR on 2001.11.21 3:59 (#2594191)
WIPO, do you notice how few comments you get for anything you write/post/spam nowadays?
-Trollaxor
by sales_worldwide on 2001.11.20 11:53 (#2588488)
You forgot to mention Jon Katz's "docking" games, where he places his chopper head to head with another chap, and rolls the other guys foreskin over his own circumcised end ("docking"), providing him with fantasies of actually having his own forskin
"Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...
by Fucky the troll on 2001.11.20 11:28 (#2588446)
Woah! When did the WIPO troll get freed? And how the fuck did I miss it?
Excellent FP, sir.
This is a sig virus. Please put me in your sig
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.20 11:04 (#2588407)
omg that is crapflooding material if i ever saw it!!!!!! and u got a first post!!!! whoot to the wipo troll!!!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 9:03 (#2583756)
GW...you know we love every hair on your 27 acre ass... and I, for one, would never do anything untowards your graceful demeanor. And you probably have several friends that would love to help you do the bear dance all over my face if I so much as spelled your name wrong. And you know I'd defend your Constitutional right to defame God in heaven. I'd even help fund your education, should you ever decide to take that route. Hell, I'd buy you a tall tepid bear-whiz beer if you were here with me, right now!
But.
Now go stick your shaved head back down inside the woman's toilet, and just to show there's no hard feelings, I'll jump in the tow-truck and drive right over to help you pull it right out...ok?
thanks
by mark knopfler 69 on 2001.11.19 8:25 (#2583695)
I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU SIR. FOR ONE THING, THE E-MAIL FROM CMDRTACO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING MISTAKES. Let's be realistic here, CmdrTaco usually types with one hand, and since he is shaking from jacking off his aim on the keyboard isn't too good. Those e-mails were a little too well written. Sorry boy, you'll have to do better.
by WeatherTroll on 2001.11.19 8:14 (#2583667)
You should update this to say VA Software instead of VA Linux.
by smackmonkey on 2001.11.19 7:06 (#2583510)
Crackhead moderators: this is +5, Hilarious material.
--
CNN declares War on Islam!
Left-wing America declares War on its Civil Liberties!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 5:40 (#2583336)
This was funny the first 100 times. Now it is getting boring!
by egg troll on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054)
Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!
For more info check out this
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822)
add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832)
and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com
other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!
by Wil Wheaton on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438)
Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
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WIL WHEATON DOT NET
by dead_puppy on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342)
Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:
From: malda@slashdot.org
To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
Subject: were where you last friday?
I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.
--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)
You finding Ling-Ling's head?
by Big_Ass_Spork on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300)
I do it wrong
Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
Massaging my nutsack she....
WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]
"OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"
"Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"
I DO IT WRONG!!!!
---
All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...
by j0nkatz on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596)
I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the
I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601)
No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. .
by AbsoluteRelativity on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457)
The WIPO Troll
Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632)
Oh, man that's just sick !
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604)
TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place.
by vikool on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495)
what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
by I.T.R.A.R.K. on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890)
Where the fuck do I sign up?!
- I throw rocks at retarded kids
"Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753)
this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
by rockwood on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746)
OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701)
dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266)
horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com
Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
by egg troll on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024)
+5, Arousing
For more info check out this
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891)
WINNER>
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887)
I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412)
you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!
WIPO trolls > linux
________________________________________
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Crapflooder Associates
Slashdot.org
"I would go for New Zealand."
Nah. They speak English. After Afghanistan, it's France.
True, but there are more cost-efficient ways of doing that, like sending in a helicopter gunship or two..... or just use a sub to torpedo them.
I assume most country would require that ships suspected of carrying drugs be seized and searched as opposed to being fired upon first, even Russia?
Kill'em! Kill'em all!
Else begins to have plenty of sweets.
Hans asks from where they are coming.
"I have got them from a strange man. But don't tell mother! The man strictly forbade me to do so!"
Hans is curious. They arrange to go together. The "man" wants them to go with him.
Hans hesitates -- Hans thought:
'What does the man want of us? Why should we go with him?'
Suddenly a great fear comes over him.
"You are a Jew!" he cries and seizing his sister, runs off as fast as his legs will carry him. At the corner of the street he meets a policeman. Quickly Hans tells his story. The policeman gets on his motor-bike and soon overtakes the strange man. He handcuffs him and takes him to prison.
At home, subsequently, there is great rejoicing. The police praise Hans for being a brave lad. His mother gives him a large piece of chocolate while teaching him the following saying:
"A devil goes through the land,
The Jew he is, known to us all
As murderer of the peoples and polluter of the races,
The terror of children in every country!
He wants to ruin the youth.
He wants all peoples to die.
Have nothing to do with a Jew
Then you'll be happy and gay!"
Has it been 72 hours yet?
jgoebbels@propaganda.gov.3r
PRAVDA.Ru had an interview with a deputy of the State Duma, deputy chairman of the committee for security, Georgy Maytakov. Maytakov was the chief of the intelligence of one of the divisions of the nuclear submarines, which were based in the Soviet harbour. Being the chief of the Pacific fleet, he repeatedly conducted the military exercises, on submarines too.
Question: Mr.Maytakov, what is your opinion about the events, which happened on board the Kursk? What do you think happened there?
Answer: The governmental commission with Ilya Klebanov at the head has done a lot to find out the reason why it happened, but unfortunately, in spite of the fact that the submarine has now been raised, it is very hard to understand, what caused the tragedy. We will probably never know, why a torpedo exploded. When the tragedy happened, the governmental commission had three versions to consider.
The first one is the collision with a foreign object. The second one - malfunction of a torpedo itself, the third one - the explosion of an old mine, from the times of the World War II. For the time being we know that the fuel blend of a 65-76 torpedo blew up, the governmental commission proved that. It should be mentioned here that there are various recorders inside a torpedo, and they allow to fix the information about the results of the practical shooting. Kerosene is used as fuel in those torpedoes and hydrogen peroxide is used as oxidizing agent. A powerful electric discharge is necessary to ignite the kerosene and oxidizing agent blend. Furthermore, the gaseous hydrogen and oxygen can be produced as a result of the hydrogen peroxide decomposition, and even a spark is enough for a blast. So, there are three conditions necessary for a fuel blend explosion: the destruction of a torpedo, the production of a flammable blend, high-pressure-air, or an electric discharge. These conditions must come altogether at one and the same time.
The torpedo explosion was equal to the blast of 150 kilos of explosive, which pulled out the back lid of the torpedo-tube, wrecked the partition between the first and the second compartments and the people, who were inside the first and the second compartments, died. Another blast took place in 2.5 minutes, a stronger one. Twenty-two torpedoes, situated in the first compartment, exploded.
Q: To what extent, do you think, the submariners of the Kursk were trained? How modern was the Kursk?
A: It was one of the most up-to-date submarines. The submariners are trained very carefully before they go to the sea. The sub was on the first line, which means cleared for action on the highest level. All the personnel of the sub undergo a complex of exercises, courses and so on in order to be able to survive. I can give you an example. When we studied at the military school, we had a diving course. When we served at the military vessels or submarines, we also had the diving courses. We were training and exercising all the time, to be able to seal or close up the holes, were taught how to struggle with fire and water - two major reasons, which can make a vessel or a sub sink.
Q: There is a popular Russian movie called Solitary Sailing, in which they show the Russian military exercises and the CIA was always trying to watch them. Is the situation different now? Has America become our friend?
A: That is an interesting question - if America has become our friend. There are no friends in big politics. There can be either allies or no allies. Any state is trying to guarantee its own interests. By the way, the movie that you mentioned was to the point. I remember those times: we had an objective not to allow any American aircraft cruiser get closer to a Russian vessel. Nowadays the situation is different. The American submarines, Norways Germanys reconnaissance vessels are near our shores. There are American submarines both in the area of the Barents Sea and in the Far East too.
Q: Do you think there could be an American submarine near the Kursk?
A: The governmental commission has made its conclusions about he possible versions: a collision, mines, torpedo malfunction. But this malfunction may be caused by different reasons. It is not ruled out that there could be a sub there, taking into consideration the fact that there was some object moving very fast, away from the area of the military exercises. I think there could be such a possibility.
Q: What is your opinion about Putin's visit to the relatives of the killed submariners?
A: The fact that he went there to meet the relatives is not presidents business, even if such a horrible catastrophe happened. There are other people to do that. Over 100 people died, but if 100 died in Chechnya - should the president go there too? This is the liability or responsibility of the adequate structures, of the commander-in-chief, of the defense minister. I can understand the president from the human point of view, but it was not reasonable for him to go there as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. This resulted in very serious spending. According to the law about the status of a military man, there should be the adequate insurance allowances paid, depending on the status of a military man. We saw, how the president was attacked on, how intense the conversation with the women was, but all those military men and their relatives received a very serious compensation, the insurance for the death of their relatives.
Q: There is a legend that the sea does not like it, when the people raise the drowned sailors. Do you think it is normal that they have retrieved the submarine and buried the submariners?
A: I said that in the very beginning that it was not good to raise the people from the bottom of the sea. The sea became their cemetery and they had to stay there, like it happens traditionally. But there were different circumstances in this case. The president said they would retrieve the bodies and he kept his promise. There was a need to raise the sub itself in order to try to find out the reasons of the explosion.
Q: Do you think it is possible to raise the first compartment?
A: I think it is not real to raise the first compartment, sine there is no such compartment actually, but only the fragments of it. As we could see, the second compartment was destroyed almost completely too. I guess this story will remain a secret even for the next generation and on. There were a lot of such examples in the past. The sea does not unveil its secrets.
Q: To what extent are the submarines relevant from the strategic point of view?
A: The submarines have always been used for the army purposes. The difference is that they could be moved, in contrast to the land instalments, which could not be used. We moved our missile subs and so did the Americans. Talking about the strategic issue, like you said, the missile submarines are a requisite link of the missile and nuclear triad, the most secret link. You can see and down a plane, but you can never see a submarine. This triad consists of the land, air and underwater constituents.
Q: How good is the equipment at our vessels, bases, to what extent is our authorities attentive to it?
A: Not only the fleet, but the armed forces have fallen into decay over the recent decade due to the absence of the funding. The defense capacity has decreased considerably. This is the general state of the country. It does not allow us to maintain the forces, which were established during the Soviet times. We used to solve global tasks in the ocean, but now we have the goals, which should be solved in the littoral zone.
Q: The newspaper Version wrote that several dishonest officials of St.Petersburg set up a joint venture to sell the ships abroad. What can you say on the score?
A: I do not know if there was a joint venture there. One of the largest vessels - the Minsk and the Novorossiysk were really sold, the media wrote about it, and as far as I remember, those vessels were sent to China. But there was also the information, they were used as entertainment complexes, others say, they were being prepared for the army purposes and would soon travel. If talking about the Pacific fleet - the fleet that I know very well, I can say that there is quite a number of tugboats, which were sold to other countries.
Q: Do you think the president will be able to organize the Pacific fleet and other Russian fleets under the influence of the West, because of the improvement of the relations with the States? We know, there is a pressure exerted on our president.
A: It is precisely registered in the American strategy of the national security that America will do everything not to let any other power, with the exception for the USA, gain control over the resources, the USSR had. America will always keep to its interests - it is its first priority.
Q: So why does Russia have the understated interests?
A: It is about the economic situation in the country: we are unable to maintain the forces to guarantee our security. But on the other hand, the Soviet armed forces were based on the experience of the previous war. The civil war was over, the world war was coming, but the armed forces were organized on the ground of the civil war experience. This is the way our country is.
Q: So the army is totally not ready for the changes in the society?
A: This is one of the most serious issues. Yevgeny Shaposhnikov, the former commander-in-chief of the Commonwealth of Independent States, wrote that the country had collapsed, there was no Soviet Union, but there was the Soviet army left. He allowed to carry out the economic activity in the army at that time, during the period 1991 - 1994. Everything that could be of interest to the people - the uniform, military hardware - everything was sold. There is no place for the economic activity in the army, it should only deal with the military issues and take part in the arrangements, as provided and prescribed by the law.
Georgy Maytakov was interviewed by Ilya Tarasov
-- Anal sex: it's the wave of the future.
"Ya khont" is the most offensive sounding missile I've ever heard of.
"Ask me about Loom"
This news was released back in March 2001 in Russian:
. ht ml
http://www.mfit.ru/defensive/obzor/ob04-04-01-1
http://www.infoport.ru/main_popup.php?ID=312893
About mid March 2001 the project was presented at arms expo in Abu Dhabi.
News is not like brandy. It does not get better when aged for 9 months.
CHERNOBYL WAS THE FIRST NATO LIMITED NUCLEAR STRIKE. IT WAS DESIGNED TO SPEED UP SOVIET'S BREAKDOWN.
Besides the Japan, there is only one case where victims of nuclear holocaust could be clearly counted. - CHERNOBYL (Eastern Europe).
CIA chose the place and time to strike quite well: the place - CHERNOBYL heart of Slavic Nations, the time - eve of brake-up of Soviet Union. Here, I have to congratulate the NWO_USA genocidal maniacs!
There was significant money spent to pay for the engineering and then covering up (CNN spin masters) of so-called "Chernobyl Accident". It was supposed to be repeated in few other places in Russia, aber Russians (the KGB at that time) sent a communique to US government, which read:
we know who was behind it, enough, if you do it again all our nukes will be "disposed of" on your stinking country, we do not care any more. You decide!
Needles to say pentagon got shitless scared.
You have to understand this kind of crimes against humanity can not be talk about or prosecuted openly, it is simply too big. If Russians protested openly at UN, then they would've had to nuke USA.
Simply... the crime was too big to talk about it openly.
I think your sig says it all - shoot first, then check for a big cloud of white dust.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
The message: the only peace the USA wants in the Middle East involves a complete subjugation and/or annihilation of Palestinians under the iron fist rule of Israel.
This is exactly the kind of politics that resulted in the event of 11th September. No matter how much your media would like you to believe, it is not envy or blind irrational hate that caused the terrorist strike. Envious people don't crash planes into buildings and the hate is a perfectly rational result from the one-sided pro-Israel policy.
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Sweden has a stealth ship as well. Here and here are some articles with a lot of technical details. This article has a few not-rendered pictures of it, and this article has even more info.
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So if they lose contact with the ship, let`s say in an emergency, how do they expect to locate it quickly if it has hardly any radar signature ?
corvette project 20380
water displacement 1900 tonnes
price 1.6 mlrd roubles
export version called project 20382
first one will be build in st petersburg
pourpose: patrolling of coastal waters, escort and antisubmarine operations
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"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
The swedish navy also has a steralth ship. This link shows some data for the ship. the ship actually began trials earlier than stated in the linked page. Here are some drawing of the ship as well cruising, using airdefence missiles
So this kind of technology will probably be seen in many navies in the future. I can tell you that watching a ship this size come at you at 35 knots while your radar shows nothing is rather unnerving.
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Anyway, stealthiness in ships has been on the table from the same era that first stealth aircraft were designed. The main principles are:
My opinion is, that the Russia cannot regain it's position as a naval superpower. Sure, it has a navy with great many ships, but they are _old_. From around 1970-1980 cold war era. They are noisy, big, ugly, although they have a huge arsenal and quite impressive performance numbers. Updating such a navy to modern standards needs money - and that's what Russia doesn't have at the moment.
I think we're going to see more similiar military "declassifications" from Russia in the near future, as the USA resigned from the ballistic missile protection pact.
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Did you notice the claim DiGiorgio makes, "Your $2.95 calculator, for example, gives you a zero when you try to divide a number by zero, and does not stop executing the next set of instructions." I challenge any of you to try this experiment and if it works as he claims then throw that worthless piece of **** in the same place as you put that story.
...when can I buy one to cruise around my local lake in? Those supersonic missles sound nice...
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Whatever you think about the treaty, you have to give the Bush administration credit for their ability to manipulate the media and divert attention away from the important issues.
The first thing is that when the ship is travelling it will leave a wake behind it. Also I believe that the wake will disturb the organisms in the ocean that emit light. Getting a satellite to find the wake wouldn't be too hard.
Also a moving ship will have a thermal signature from the exhausting of heat/smoke through the smoke stack. Again visible on satellites. But could be reduced by cooling the exhaust.
To make the ship invisible visually there's always the old dazzle paint jobs from WWII (look at an old photo of a warship from that era) that works by disrupting the visual signature of the ship.
I believe that also the lastest method is to "fog" the air around the ship by spraying seawater into a fine mist.
Any other ideas?
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The Hamina-class missile-boat:
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The tactic is to hide these ships in the vast archipegalo, and wait for the enemy to come close. Once the enemy is within range, they fire their missiles, and leave at top speed (hit 'n run)
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Check here for more info (in norwegian only, sorry) on the Skjold-class MTBs. I'm not sure when they will be ready though. The boats are propelled by water jets which means they can turn really really fast. The swedish navy is also getting stealthy boats, and they got water jets too.
The first unit of the KNM Skjold class of stealth gunship is already beeen built and is actually here in the US on a display tour.
Bush uplls out of the ABM treaty with Russia & Co. and now they declassify a project to send the point that they haven't been sitting idly for the last few years. This craft is hardly anything to worry about. As others have said, its uses are limited and it is still detectable by some craft. But it is a sign that the Russian R&D is still going strong. And that's even more scary than anything else, because Russian military tech becomes global tech quicker than nothing. Russia is not likely to just ignore Bush's slap, but they wouldn't dare actually increasing their nuclear armaments so they're probably going to begin a more conventional arms race. And since China has the money, they'll be the sole beneficiaries from this race.
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Rick,
Actually, Western navies have been developing low-observable ships since the late 1980's.
For example, the current destroyers and the new DD-21 class destroyers for the US Navy sport a lot of features that were pioneered by Lockheed's Sea Shadow project, which was designed to drastically reduce the radar signature of surface ships. And the British are introducing new destroyers based on this research, too.
Note that these new ships' superstructures look like a bunch of pyramids. This drastically reduces the radar cross-section of the ship, and the addition of IR shielding on the engine exhaust stack reduces the observability of these new ships even further.
I took a little Russian in college (or rather, I took 13 credit hours worth and remember little ;^) ). "Medved" (prounounced a little more lik Myedvyed) is "bear", so "medvedka" is a diminutive form, i.e. a cute nickname* like "cute little bear". Check out this nifty online dictionary for things like this (type in "medved", hit "transliterate input", and away you go (if your machine and browser can handle cyrillic anyway).
*similarly "vod" is water, so "vodka" is "little water that we all know and love" ;^) [not to single out the Russians as heavy drinkers, iirc whiskey (the english mangling of the original gaelic anyway) meant "water of life"]
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So what if Russia has a "stealth" ship being designed. Do not forget, no other nation has ever proven stealth technology other than the US.
And we are already building a fleet of stealth ships. DD-21 is our program to build new stealth ships. Our ships seem to have all the capabilities plus more. The difference is that we are very far in the development of the ships. The site has lots of cool PDFs include some cool artist renditions. The program was originally going to just create one class of ships but very recently was changed to create a whole new fleet of ships. The overall design goal is to increase lateral capabilities (ability to assist ground war by approaching shore and traveling down rivers). The program has recently been renamed to DD-X to reflect this goal.
As far as not being able to stop their missiles, that again is just not true. Aegis ships - a program I'm proud to be a part of - have been working on TBMD (Theatre Ballistic Missile Defense) for quite some time. This is different from NTW (National Theatre Wide) or what is common referred to as national missile defense. TBMD is not effected at all by the ABM treaty so that has been being developed for quite some time.
There are a lot of posts about Norway having stealth ships or other countries having stealth ships. The greatest part of the Norwegian Navy is their new frigates which runs Aegis. We sell alot of our technologies to other countries. Our Naval program is just so much better than any other countries. That's one of the benefits of having so many warm water ports.
This article is not even Russian government hype but just some newspaper trying to make a story that's just not there.
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We've had it for a while
Of course, our Navy won't talk about it.
We've had it for a while and talked about it quite a bit. And decided it was silly.
A large stealth vessel was part of the original stealth project, and is well documented. (It was a very fast powered twin-hull, which gave them an opportunity to absorb or redirect the microwaves that got into the space UNDER the main body of the craft.)
The problem was that it DID work.
But the rough surface of the sea also reflects radar. The stealth craft blocked this. The net result was a dark streak on the radar background, with the stealth ship exactly at the end of the streak closest to the radar antenna.
Effectively it was a big, black arrowhead on a dim green background, pointing exactly at the stealth vessel. The only thing missing was a label saying "Stealth ship HERE".
To solve this you'd need to deliberately transmit a fake of a surface reflection behind you - which means that you need active ECM for EVERY radar that shines on you. Then you risk showing up as a spotlight on PASSIVE radar.
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Should of preview'd! It's http://www.dd21.com.
That's actually the page of the Blue Team (Lockheed Martin & Bathe Iron Works). The Gold Team has a page too http://www.dd21goldteam.com which is composed of Raytheon and Ingels Shipyard.
Two teams are designing ships in order to produce the best one. It's pretty late in the phase though and the contract was actually supposed to be awarded a while ago. Who knows what will happen know since 9/11 though and Bush's plans to restructure everything.
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...they're called submarines.
So, do you know why that sub that was sunk was called the Kirsk? Because cities in Russia have to sponsor a ship and it is then usualy manned with sailors from their city. This is common with all vessels and a very bad sign for the russian navy. They are not a naval superpower and barely were durring the cold war.
Re cently in the US Naval Institute's Proceedings, their monthly magazine, there was a great article describing how the amount of money that the Air Force recieves as a whole is staying the same, but their weapons of choice (F-22, B-2) are horrifically expensive. For instance, originally a force of 500-700 F-22s was envisioned by the Air Force when they decided to use the Lockheed variant of the F-22/23. However, due to budget overruns and contraints put on the program by the Air Force, that number has now shrunk to 150-250 aircraft. An analogous situation is happening with the B-2 - originally there were to be 200 of the long-range bombers. However, with current projections of $2B+ for each bomber, the number that the Air Force has for their force of B-2s is around 60, with very few of those bombers ever seeing combat, because who wants to risk a $2B bomber on a conventional bombing mission?
The overall effect of these expensive programs is to reduce the overall force structure of the Air Force. Even with the best technology in the world, a small number of planes can still be overrun by a larger number of planes. It has been suggested that the Air Force use something like the "high/low mix" that the Navy currently uses - the "high" being the multi-billion dollar carrier, with its power projection (read: ability to launch aircraft from anywhere), and the low being the much less costly guided missile frigate, with its land attack (Tomahawk), anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare capabilities. In the end, however, Congress will most likely end up giving more money to the Air Force.
I wonder if the 20380 in project 20380
just happens to also be the zip code for
Washington DC?
This so called stealth boat is also equipped
with yakhont 'first strike' missiles....
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WTF? This article has been up for how long with no Sunken Kursk comments? Frankly, I'm shocked.
Time to bunker down and prepare for a guided karma hit. No stealth technology to save my ass now...
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Actually it doesn't cost much -- in rubles, that is. The Russia's legacy military-industrial complex is self-sufficient, as it does not require the services of private contractors. This gives them an opportunity to gain some share in the world's arms market. In 2000 the US held over 50% of the worldwide arms market with over $18 billion in sales. The next closest competitors were Russia with $7.7 billion, and France with sales valued at $4.1 billion.
The point about submarine warfare is to be as silent as you can be. Under water, you standard old radar doesn't work, visibility is close to zero. The only thing that works well is the sonar. Now, actively pinging your sonar (the pings you tend to hear in sub movies) is something you generally want to avoid, as it announces your position to all listening sonars in a large area. And because, in order for you to hear the echo of another ship, your signal has to travel back and forth, while other ships only have to get your signal, the diameter of the sphere where you are heard is about 4 timnes larger than that of the sphere where you hear the reflections. -> Don't Ping.
So everybody is sitting down there, listening and waiting for sounds from other subs. There are two kinds of noises emitted by a sub: It's screw noises and the water rushing past the hull. The rushing has a second bad effect: If it is loud (you're going fast), your own sonar can't hear anything beside that rushing. For other sub's, your screw is relatively good to hear. So two things: Build a hull that is very silent (makes as few turbulemces as possible, i.e. very good aquadynamical shape) and a similar screw which rotates as slow as possible while giving a strong output.
So stealth is all about being silent yourself. The only ones actively pinging are surface ships (they have nothing to loose, they are loud and sonarically blind because of the waves splashing against the hull) and helicopters searching for subs. Against that, you go with a sound-absorbing coating of the hill.
Shaping the hull so that it reflects sonar pings into different directions than where they came from (stealthy hull design) would drastically reduce its aquadynamical qualities. So you might be invisible to surface ships, but to the bigger threat, enemy subs, you are now providing a perfect targeting beacon if you move through the seas. Plus, because you are louder, enemy sounds degarde your own sonar readings, turning you very visible and blind at once. Not ideal. The only way to counter this is move very slowly, which is not good (sometimes you just need to get outta here fast _and_ silently, i.e. there's a helicopter around, it hasn't spotted you yet. If you are to slow, it'll spot you, if you are too loud, an enemy sub will spot you. Be fast and silent).
Last case in point: As stated, a stealthy hull has a worse aquadynamical performance. That not only means it's louder, it also adds drag, making it slower. But if somebody fires a torpedo at you, you can only turn and run. Torpedo's (excpet for the ones tested by the Kursk, as I've heard) are faster than submarines, but not that much faster. You can't really outrun it, but you can run away so fast that it'll run out of fuel before it catches you. Those knots of speed you loose with a stealthy hull are perhaps those that would have saved you.
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The ship is in the Skjold class, and is developed in Norway. The US Navy is thinking about buying, several of these. Take a look at
http://www.knmskjold.org/
And yes, some of the test systems are running Linux (because I, together with others, developed one of them.) We used RealTime Linux and Qt to make a distributed failsafe system for analyzing payload from optical sensors on the hull.
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Sure, Russia has economic problems. They also have a shitload of natural resources and plenty of poor people willing to work cheaply. Their economy may impair international trading, but a nation can usually find some way to get its citizens to contribute to the war effort. Bush thinks "Oh, don't worry about them, their broke." What he would say if he were intelligent enough to form a complete thought on his own would be more like "We shouldn't antagonize desperate poor people with immense military technology at their disposal."
(On Topic- somehow.. because its used underwater, like a ship?)
Wow! beats the heck out of the P11, thats for sure.
Sure boats have been usefull in the past.. but really I dont feel that they can keep up with the pace with stealth bombers capable of coming in, wiping out an area and getting out undetected.
Nothing more than a way of letting people know Russia is back on the map and showcasing how superior they are.
Think about it: you're looking for something that's a fixed shape and a fixed size (well, relatively fixed -- you can calculate by what angle the satelite is looking from) against a background that's usually pretty free from noise images.
'course, then there's always infrared. These nuke-yoo-lar suckers tend to run pretty hot.
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Check this out, seems your military industry is brain dead.
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IR passes through clouds and fog
"... Sure boats have been usefull in the past.. but really I dont feel that they can keep up with the pace with stealth bombers capable of coming in, wiping out an area and getting out undetected. ..."
Naval force is invaluable in modern warfare; there are numerous examples but an obvious one is the current action in Afganistan, a landlocked nation. Without the current cooperation from previously hostile nations, naval air power could have still done the job.
Stealth aircraft are neither undetectable nor invulnerable to intercept by missiles. Serbian forces were able to shoot down 2 stealth fighters in action against the former Yugoslavia. Conventional radar has extreme difficulty detecting them but there are currently 2 different methods to track them; both systems are well known to US and Soviet military and have been tested by both nations (and no doubt others).
Radar bounced off the sea from space can detect a ship's wake, which happens to point right at the ship. The process used is similar to decryption, where the natural ocean waves are the random noise and the wake is the message. Navigation radar and radio transmissions can be detected and triangulated. Infrared detectors in space can not only see plume from the smokestack, they can also see the wake from a large ship from space when cooler water is churned up to the surface.
Below the water, the US has very sensitive listening stations scattered about to detect submarines. US submarines can track a ship from quite a distance due to noise alone. Even when not underway, waves slapping up against the side of a ship make a distinctive noise (a problem submarines don't have). I suspect those "secret" ships have been followed by US submarines wherever they went for quite some time.
"Stealth ships" are a blue-water navy idea. But there hasn't been a major blue-water naval engagement in years. Today, the U.S. Navy is mostly used to project power onshore. Stealth isn't the primary criterion for that role. Armor matters more.
There's a good argument for heavily armored battleships for shore bombardment, but the old ones took thousands of people to run, and the Navy is short on people. The U.S. Navy had an "arsenal ship" concept in the early 1990s, but never built any.
I guess you guys (USA) figured a way round it but the stuff they paint on the Planes to make them super stealthy does work when it rains.
Bit of an issue if your tying to develop something stealthy that goes on the water.
check out the Bellona foundation's page [bellona.no] : their Northern Fleet page is superbly detailed and they have tons of technical details about Russia's subs and surface ships.
Now I understand why the Russians want to put the russian Bellona-co-worker Nikitin in prison!
Guess your comment is more wrong than the article. If you want to see something else than "cool artist renditions" there is a small picture at this page:
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http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/regional/mandal/
showing the proto-type KNM Skjold on the Potomac-river. (The article is in norwegian, saying that in January the building of six sister-ships of the Skjold-class will be started).
The Kursk sank on a training mission, and according to a revealing and meticulously researched print article in the October, 2001 issue of Men's Journal, the two primary reasons for the tragic death of the entire crew were: 1) faulty cheaper torpedoes, and 2) a Russian fleet chain of command that put covering their asses before the welfare of their sailors.
The Russian Navy is in dire straits. Submarine crews spend much of their time foraging for food. Their morale is terrible, training quality is low, and discipline is not what it should be.
Having the best equipment in the world is no substitute for having well-trained, motivated, sailors. Until the Russians can completely overhaul their Cold War-oriented, top-heavy, political-appointee command structure, and start spending money on training and sailors rather than on huge new weapons programs, they'll continue their rapid descent into military irrelevance.
Further reading about the Russian military from sources around the world:
BBC
India
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Jesus Christ, they've raised the Merrimac!
Ick. Man, "medvedka" is an insect about 3.5-6 cm long. Some people call "medvedka" spalax typhlus, some people think that it's gryllus gryllotalpa. Anyway, it doens't have anything common with bears.
Eh, don't forget we in Sweden also are working on a stealth ship..
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It was code named Merrimac. Of course the North's radar left something to be desired as well. CSA Stealth Ship The Merrimac (CSS Virginia) certainly bears a striking resemblance to the Russian Stealth Ship.
This is complete bullshit. The fact that they own their suppliers is really irrelevant. Someone is paying lots of trained people to build shit. These people consume real resources such as food and electricity. The only way it could be self sustaining is if it was entierly paid for by foriegn arms sales.
Your right thats possible. Maybe they will sell it to drug smugllers...they are the ppl with the most to gain from a stealth ship
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a beowulf cluster of THESE!
No, Beowulf clusters can't imagine in Soviet Russia.
Their resistance was futile. They have been assimilated. Their cultural distinctiveness has been added to our own.
This is the core reason the United States no longer sees Russia as a key adversary and also why it won't let Russia into NATO - there is a clear realization that Russia continues to teeter on economic oblivion, and the US doesn't want to have to support Russia when the inevitable Sino-Russian war explodes (the Russians took Chinese territory decades back, and China has always contended that the property would once again be part of China).
Russia is an interesting place - it has interesting technology but teeters on the brink of becoming a third world nation.
I rembered a Poupular mechanics/Science articles a couple of years back talking about this.
Here is some more info.
I remember reading at the time that the general idea was to have as little radar cross-section as possible, very low noise, and almost now wake whatsoever.
The shape evidently took care of the low radar feed-back (as a matter of fact the whole squarish shape of all the 1st generation of stealth planes was due to the limitation of the radar echoing software simulation).
To reduce the overall noise they designed the ship to have the generators mounted above water, and only have electric engines in the submerged section.
And lastly the wake problem was well resolved by the catamaran like shape hull.
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The Russian armed forces have had its budget cut out from underneath it. Its likely that most European nations put more money into defense than Russia can afford to at this point. Its likely that the Russians could not sustain prolonged combat with any of its traditional adversaries at this point.
First, it's HYDRODYNAMICS, the study of motion/s in an aqueous solution(water). As the water flowing over the surfaces of ANY vessel, it makes/produces noises that are detectable by sonar; since water is the BEST conductor of audio we have, this allows the topside ship to sweep given areas of known operations of the "enemy" and use triangulation of other sweepers to vector positional locations and speed as targeting references. Noises are minimized with flooring composed of rubber. Deck surfaces can be covered with sound reduction coatings as well, but this is a higher speed to stealth cost too, not to mention the turbulence added to the wake of the vessel when operating surface and especially sub-surface. One could also "try" a heavy layering of teflon on the hull, but production costs are way out of reach and probably not all that worthwhile to attemp as well. Minimizing and eliminating the signature sounds IS of utmost importance. We chart vessels by their sonar signatures and catalog them for reference when our navy is on patrol. We can tell the class of vessel, it's heading and speed by this, not to mention it's prop sounds and how fast her screws are rotating as well. Since R.F does NOT penetrate water far, and salt water even less; forget radar use. As for surface vessels; use IR targeting for locating ships! Thermal imaging can be used under water as well as on the surface. heat is dissipated faster in water, but close range should be possible.(I never used thermal imaging, so the above comment is made as a suggestion only). Sonobuoys are constantly dropped from recon planes in hostile zones to listen for enemy movements they were previously unaware of. Steel against steel makes a great homing device! Dropped tools, striking rock, coral or other submerged strata gives locations away to the "watchful" ears of the sonar ops. If subs make sounds approximating whales...do a study of wahale activities in the area, note the type of whales there and the noises they make against what YOU hear on the headphones. Abnormal sounds from creatures not normally found in the vicinity can also be a good giveaway too. Many things can and are used to locate the enemy, even "ancient" methods can be used as they are usually thought of as old, and are forgotten as well. The old, reborn has led many a man to his death. Nobody is immune to a well orchestrated attack of forgotten tactics!
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You don't need supersonic missiles to take out drug smugglers.
This is a weapon which threatens enemy battlegroups, or at least it would if the idea of a stealth ship was viable.
Ships can be tracked from space, and the US has researched this. A stealth ship isn't going to be able to conceal it's position from the USA, maybe it'll help confuse a few French missiles right before the US alters it's radar profile permanently.
Who cares about stealth ships? Besides the nuclear subs, the Navy is outdated and almost worthless anyways. Everyone knows that those super expensive carriers will be the first things sunk in a major conflict....
What is really interesting here is that Russia is releasing this information. It suggests to me that the motivation was domestic politics. Putin is hoping to benefit politically from the announcement, perhaps in the wake of concerns over ABM treaty and arms reductions. It is very interesting that the Russian leadership has to play similar games as US politicians and seek political gain from unveiling secret projects that during the Soviet era would not have been discussed.
Putin is trying to project the image that Russia is still strong and able to take a lead to a domestic audience.
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Many Russian missile systems are called after rivers. For example, S-125 (SA-3) anti-aircraft missile was also known as Neva. Others used names like Tunguska, Dvina, Desna, etc.
It depends on the mission of the ship. I am pretty sure that the mission of this ship is coastal defense. For that mission her stealtiness is much less important than her cruising speed, 30 knots, and the range of her antiship weapon, 160 miles. That would let her leave port and, in half a day, be in position to attack a carrier battle group before the CV was in range to launch an attack on Russia. She would be able to use land-based air assets to give her targeting information to allow her to fire her missles long before she could detect the CV with her own sensors.
Though a little short on info, the US Navy's Fact File on the Sea Shadow is here.
A little off-topic, but the US Navy Fact File site contains info on all kinds of Navy military hardware. If you hear about a ship in the news, like the Enterprise, the Carl Vinson, or the Peleliu, you can find out more information (and links to most of the ships' web sites) there.
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I think perhaps that comment was more on target than you meant it to be (no pun intended). If RADAR wasn't still the dominant means of seaborne tracking, people wouldn't have been spending the vast sums they have on Aegis technology, and rolling it out onto the fleet as fast as they can. They also wouldn't be nearly so concerned at suggestions that foreign intelligence groups have nicked the stuff, and might get it onto their ships, too.
On a side note, didn't the US recently decline to give Taiwan Aegis-equipped vessels as part of the military support they're providing, and give the "it's too powerful" argument as justification? (This is a genuine question; I have a vague memory but can't recall the details.)
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
They're a clever people. It is like a country where the average IQ is 110 instead of 100.
Their submarines are simply known for their size and noisiness. Their Typhoon class submarines are just that: big and noisy. I have read quite a few documentaries on the Typhoon class and it appears more as an insult to the art of war. Inside each Typhoon is a swimming pool, jacuzzi, sauna, entertatinment room, and more for the crew's enjoyment and leisure. Although they are all nulear-powered, for their size and noise it is justified because they would need a large source of energy to bring all that shit with them.
Compared to the US Navy's Trident class submarine, the Russian Typhoon class is a bad joke taken to extreme measures. The Trident call submarine is more than two times smaller, holds the same ammount of crew members with one crew sleeping and one crew in operation, the Trident class submarine is nuclear powered with silent operation. I visit San Diego and go fishing quite often through the harbor. The US Navy has dry docks for the Trident submarines right there and you can see them docked! They have each and every Trident class submarine's rudder and propeller hidden with a large tarp because its silent operation is in the design of its propulsion system entirely.
I read in another documentary about how a submarine's crew can distinguish between civilian, cargo, and naval wartime vessels all underwater. Companies that build marine grade engines are ordered to build the propeller a certain way so it is distinguishable. Makes you wonder about the FBI and Magic Lantern virus. They are tracking everyone everywhere!
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You can't target something using satellite imaging. To hit this will require eyeball guidance, or laser illumination from a targetting device. Either a plane will have to have a continuous view of it to guide the missile in, or a ship will have to be within eyeball range and guide the fire in by eye. Makes it pretty difficult to hit.
And this is only going to be a proof-of-concept, remember. You reckon every last thing that Lckheed's Skunk Works comes up with is going into production? They'll try out lots of different stuff to see what works and learn lessons from that b4 they build one for real.
Also, please note that world politics have changed since 1950. The Russians are no longer automatically the enemies of the US. It's not necessary to have the strongest army in the world, you only need a stronger army than the person you think is most likely to attack you.
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