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Taipei 101 Now World's Tallest Building
mstamat writes "A 101-storey skyscraper in Taipei is from today the world's tallest building. The new scyscraper is 508 metres (1,667 feet) tall, beating the 452-metre (1,483-feet) twin Petronas towers in Kuala Lumpur. The full height was achieved after adding a 60-metre (197-ft) spire on top of the building. The story is on
Reuters." There's plenty of information about the building available.
..is like sticking a toothpick on my dick to gain that extra two inches. Not very fair huh?
Read the summary?
"The new scyscraper is 508 metres (1,667 feet) tall, beating the 452-metre (1,483-feet) twin Petronas towers in Kuala Lumpur."
I don't understand why adding a pole or whatever to the top of the building means it's a bigger building. How about if they just made a really big pole, would that be the new biggest building in the world?
I have over 70 freaks, do you?
are you naturally that much of an idiot or do you have to try?
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Am I the only one who thinks spires shouldn't count? I think it should be the highest floor of rentable, realistically usable office space.
Am I wrong?
What the heck is a "scyscraper"? One would assume someone could at least spell the word "sky" correctly...
I would like to note that the CN-tower in Canada at 553m is the worlds tallest free-standing building, and still is.
imagine a beowulf cluster of those!
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but it looks like a giant spiky dildo to me.
nah, i've building envy, here in the US we used to have cool things like the tallest building and such, but not anymore =(
makes me wonder, why taiwan? I mean, how come this building is not on a country that matters?
On Skyscrapers.com it says 'The final section of the spire was put in place October 9, 2003, thus giving Taipei 101 the official world's tallest building title.', yet at the top of the page it says: Year (end) 2004, how come?
I have over 70 freaks, do you?
And remember kids, the only reason the Petronas Towers were the "tallest" in the first place is because they stuck some spires on the top just so they could claim to be the tallest building. The highest occupied floor on the Sears Tower was still some 200 feet higher than that of Petronas.
It appears this Corporation has been set up specifically to construct the building, but I wonder whether they will be operating it in the future?
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...or is it silly to include a spire making up about 12% of the length? Ok I know they'll find "creative" ways of not making it a spire etc., but still... Antennas don't count, so why should spires? The way it is, they're practically non-working antennas. Though they can't actually use them as such, because then they'd lose the record, wouldn't they?
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Geez, are they gonna count the basement depth too?
Each elevator is designed with an aerodynamic body, pressurization and emergency braking systems, and the world's first triple-stage anti-overshooting system. The cost for each elevator is over $US 2 million.
Um, what is a "triple-stage anti-overshooting system"? To keep elevators from going past target floors?
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I noticed this in downtown Brussels: tall town houses, built for the rich burghers of the early 20th century. _Tall_ houses, with first floors way too high for times without good insulation or central heating.
And interestingly, the heights of the buildings correlate with the dates of construction: the first houses on a street are modest, then each new construction adds a little to each level, just enough to appear more important without being vulgar. When the street is full, the last construction is the most impressive, it towers over the older houses.
Of course then the whole community runs out of cash and they have to live in the cold drafty boxes they built.
I detected a similar pattern in medieval castles, and this scyskraper (sic) is a good example of the same principle at work today.
Basically, it's a bunch of boys comparing penises and sticking penis-sheaths onto them to make them look longer.
Bon amusement, mes gars!
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If however architectural spires were not included in the height either, the Sears tower (excluding aerial) would be far taller than the Peronas towers (I am not sure about Taipei 101 however).
So in answer to your question, adding a pole to the top of a building doesn't make it a bigger building. To improve your buildings height you must add a spire (i.e. a real fat pole that serves no particular purpose apart from aesthetics). The rules are stupid, I know, but then again, I didn't make them up, and at least they stop people from using carbon fiber rods to cheat.
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They most likely think of the Empire State or the (now disassembled) Twin Towers as the largest. Nitpick all you want. If it made it, it made it. At the first to break a half km, it deserves some respect.
The Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur. The reason why they held that title for so long is that Malaysia is a Muslim country...
Also, any odds on how long it'll be before they're flying helicopters around this
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We should immediatly suspend all building projects higher than 60 meters. The risk of terrorism is just too great.
As well we need to halt all distribution of Linux since it clearly infringes on SCO's IP. The risk of law suits is just too great.
While this is likely the world's tallest skyscraper, the tallest man made structure on the planet is the CN Tower in Toronto, Canada. It has been the tallest since 1975, too.
:)
As an aside, i cannot stress how freakin cool it is to stand on the glass-bottomed lower obsevation deck, and peer down at the city nearly half a kilometre below.
Hey that gives me an idea
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www.great-towers.com/eng/towers/torontoindex.ht
The CN Tower opened in 1976. It is the world's tallest building and freestanding structure tower, at 1,815 feet (553 metres), it reaches more than one third of a mile into the clouds. The seven-story sky-pod features indoor and outdoor Observation Decks that include EcoDek, a new interactive environmental attraction opened in December 1994, the world's highest glass floor, at 1,122 feet (342 metres), Horizons, the world's highest bar, and 360, the world's highest 400-seat revolving restaurant. In addition, for those who want to go even higher, we have our space deck, at an altitude of 1,465 feet (447 metres). It is the world's highest public observation gallery in the world.
508 meters !> 553 meters
It's still damn tall though
Maybe we should suspend all plans to go outdoors. The risk of terrorism is too great. If I were you, I'd lock all my doors and windows and never leave the house again.
Building new ones doesn't cut it. Can't we bring one down again some time?
You really are a twat, aren't you.
Haven't we learned anything of World Trade Errors?
Just a joke. Taiwan has been in race with China for years. It's interesting to see this news right after China has finished a manned space mission.
Real smart, another attractive target for sandniggers who hear voices telling them to kill. Can hardly wait.
So... if I add a 504m spire to the top of my house, I'll be able to beat them? Better not waste any time then...
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1178316.
That thing is so big, it needs a separate weather forecast for the upper levels.
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If you're willing to go to the trouble of sticking a toothpick in your dick, maybe you deserve the extra 2 inches
Change the rules to include poles et al.
Then next time OBL decides it would be cool to fly a jumbo into the worlds tallest building, he'll get there and be like "dang, it's a two storey with a 5000m flag pole!"
Taiwan, which lies on a seismically active stretch of the Pacific basin, was hit by an earthquake measuring 7.6 on the Richter scale in September 1999. The tremor killed more than 2,400 people and destroyed or damaged 50,000 buildings.
I find the best part is the high risk of earthquakes. Could you possibly try to temp murphy any more.
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Sorry, but you can tack on a radio tower and claim to have the "tallest skyscraper." IMHO, it ain't the tallest unless you're comparing height from lowest occupiable space (sub-basement) to highest occupiable space (penthouse floor). Spires are mere decoration and airplane hazards.
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For much of human history the church (insert local flavour here) has been in control and in many places they had edicts that no building could be taller than the local church, mosque, temple etc. So the hight of the spire becomes a serious issue.
Just a Thought.
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CN Tower, Toronto Canada. The CN Tower is 553.33 m (1,815 ft, 5 inches) tall
I find your blatantly Islamophobic attitude to be disgusting, and unworthy of a science and technology oriented news site.
Yes, I am a Muslim. No, I am not a Terrorist.
Nitpick all you want, but not only is Taipei 101 taller then Petronas/Sears in overall height, it is officially taller by roof height as well. Therefore unlike the Pertronas v.s. Sears debate a few years ago, the spire debate is a moot point here.
Re: "The Taipei 101 tower is designed to absorb earthquakes above seven on the Richter scale and one-in-100-year gales."
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Winds can exceed "one-in-100-year" strength, so let's hope they built-in a large safety margin.
For example English readers will remember the so-called hurricane of 1987, the worst for 280 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/dates/stori
These people are living completely in the last century. Building design, of the most brilliant kind, is being expressed in the form of achievements like 30 St Mary Axe.
Tall buildings are now widely accepted as nothing more than empty vessels for national vanity, inneficient, dangerous and in every way that counts, wrong.
The CN Tower is just the world's tallest free-standing structure. There are numerous radio towers that are higher, including one in Fargo, North Dakota of 2,063 feet.
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anyone out there who can shoot some decent photographs ? The stuff on reuters is tiny. The Other link has onl y3 pictures which do not really depict the size of the construction... It doesn't seem all that huge.
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Really people, it IS a concern
the WTC was built to withstand a 737.
Hopefully the designers have learned from recent tragic events. I'm curious, how much destruction can this new wonder withstand without risking lives?
And it better not be (WTC++)
For what it's worth:
Taipei: 508 m (1,667 ft)
Kuala Lumpur: 452 m (1,483 ft)
Toronto: 553 m (1,814 ft)
Chicago: 412.4 m (1,353 ft)
The new plan for rebuilding the World Trade Center in New York includes the 'Freedom Tower' (estimated date of completion: 2008) with usable space up to 341 m (1118.8 feet)
Main roof: 541.3 m (1,776 ft) - 1776 being the American year of independance, no coincidence
Spire: 98.8 m (324 ft)
Height with spire: 640.1 m (2,100 ft)
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It seems that 60% of the top 10 Official World's Tallest High-rise Buildings are in China (Republic of China + People's Republic of China) and 80% of those Top 10 buildings are in Asia.
So people have no opinion on this whatsoever?
You're too cynical.
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"We" can do what we like. Those who routinely piss off the rest of the world might want to be a little careful.
i am not expecting anyone to fly planes into it.
Racism on /. is simply shameful.
For the record, most structural engineers who work on very tall buildings (yes, I'm one) tend to take the view that its habitable space that matters - but having said that some large spires are accessible with observation decks and whatever so these would probably count too. There's a fair bit of difference in the amount of engineering effort required for these than for some carbon fibre mast stuck on top for bragging rights.
All generalisations are wrong... including this one.
You know what, I don't give a crap about spires. Stand on the Top floor of these cheating "tallest buildings" and then stand on the top of the Sears Tower...People standing on the Sears Tower would be looking down on the people on the other buildings.
Case closed.
Who made up these stupid rules anyway?
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The Taipei 101 has a pendulum-style damper, I think. I wonder how it's controlled if its motion is detected as contributing to oscillation rather than dampening it?
Interestingly, the spire has its own TMDs. I guess I'm a TMD kind of guy: there's something suitably retro about dragging 800 tons of stuff up as high as possible, simply to have it wobble or slide around.
Several times I've traveled to Taiwan (God, I miss the dumpling soup and the people over there) and I've seen it growing everytime at the "Town Hall".
It amazed me how they never stopped working on it...
and at least they stop people from using carbon fiber rods to cheat.
Wow! Did you actually get to see the rod?
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When that goes up (or comes down from orbit, or whatever) won't that blow all the records out of the water? Or would that not count as a building? Though certainly not as an "office" building. ("Our building is half a mile high" "Yeah? Ours is 40,000 miles high...")
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People standing at the top of any building would be "looking down" on residents of any equally-high building, anywhere in the world. The earth isn't flat.
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I read some newspaper article about this very thing years ago (maybe when those towers in Malaysia opened?). At some point in the past, a group of architects (I don't remember the details) agreed that the height of the entire building, including ornamental spires would be used.
Granted the largest structure in the world still remains the CN Tower in Toronto.
I felt almost empty inside, seeing an article on slashdot that did not mention how this relates to the war on terrorism.
I could imagine posting anti-terror operatives on the observation decks (or tying one up in the speir), to "track terrorist movement" in the city below. But no, no mention on how this great tower would relate to fighting terrorism.
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and building space stations...
Ideally, we would just get even drunker and put a man on a mars, but, we have this stupid war on terrorism...
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Is it just me, or is this tower ugly? What is your opinion? And what is the sexiest tower you ever lay your eyes on?
So, we build this huge thing, and a hundred years later it gets old, starts having structural problems, develops a huge crack, or whatever, and we need to demolish it. Now, how do we do that?
For example, look at what happened to the towers. They fell down pretty much as nicely as they could, and they still created a huge mess, and tons and tons of dust, some of which included asbestos. And cleaning up the remaining rubble was estimated to take years as well.
I'm curious about how those buildings are going to be destroyed when they can't continue standing anymore.
Actually, they were built to withstand one 707 (a bigger aircraft than 737). It actaully took 2 jumbo aircrafts, and if not for the taking out of the asbestos in the inner core, they would have stood. i have been wondering if the mystery heat shields would have helped there.
and stop whining.
It's dead Jim, time to move on.
Until the Petronas Towers were built, the Sears Tower in Chicago held all four titles. Petronas displaced the Sears Tower only by virtue of an enormous spire, which was part of the architectural design but did not actually have usable space. Thus Petronas got a boost to its Structural height by virtue of its spire, but the Sears Tower actually remained the leader in Highest Occupied Floor, and Roof, and Tip. Unfortunately, Structural height is the one used in the public domain to assert the title of Tallest. You can see that the Sears was taller by far in every intuitive sense of the word by looking at this scale drawing. And the illustration actually omits the Sears' antennae masts.
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i am curious, what is your position as to the Malaysian prime minister's statements regarding a Jewish conspiracy running the world by proxy etc.?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3196234
The building will have the world's fastest elevators, traveling upwards at 1008 meters/minute (60.48 km/hour) and downwards at 610 m/min. (36.6 km/hour). The top speed are 34 percent faster than the current fastest, Yokohama Landmark Tower.
Anyone know what the rate of acceleration of the elevators is?
That's the truth.
1815 feet 553 Meters http://www.cntower.ca/
I hope so, if their concept of a "tallest building" includes the toothpick-like antennae.
The true question:
is the 448m roof of this new tower higher than the CN Tower Skydeck at 447m? If floor(447) is higher than topfloor(Tapei101), then IMO the highest still is the CN Tower (even if it's not considered a true building by charts).
have you been defaced today?
The cynics and muckrakers of /. are out in force this week. Nothing gets by them!
Anyway, the sucker's huge. You can see it about 20 km away towering over the mountains that normally block the entire cityscape of Taipei. If you're in Taiwan, you can see it from Freeway 3 just before Tucheng. It's amazing. And the antenna on top is puny in comparison with the rest of the building... trust me.
No one seems to have mentioned that Taipei is in an earthquake zone, a very serious one.
The poster needs to learn how to type. Looks like Engrish to me.
This is a test. This is a test of the emergency sig system. This has been only a test.
Compensating for something perhaps?:)
They got busted stuffing their shorts with that spire though:)
And asians have big dicks. Any other fairy tells you want to add?
CN tower is definitely the "world's tallest building". http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=4 9675
.... that the one upmanship in tall structures seems to be isolated to Asia now?
1815 feet 553 Meters http://www.cntower.ca/
Well, at least Guinness didn't...
"and terrorists looking for safe passage to the US."
That's not necessary, US Immigration could easily grant them Student Visas to learn how to fly planes in a Florida flight school.
My, how forgetful of you.
The CN Tower in Toronto Ontario is 553 meters tall (1815 ft). Please see: http://cntower.ca/
So why is 508 meters cnosidered the tallest?
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If you read into the text, you'll find that he's promoting a moderate statement, that of education rather than direct offensive action. The language he uses is an unfortunate necessity in order to reach out to the minority who use Islam and the teachings of Our Prophet (PBUH) as an excuse for unwarranted murder.
Yes, I am a Muslim. No, I am not a Terrorist.
Isn't that the same building where Neo will meet Merovingian? It was the 101st floor after all. I always wondered where I could meet that hot blonde. Gotta run to Taipei. See ya.
There ought to be some requirement that only habitable are counts towards the tallest building. To hell with spires and radio towers.
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For those of you who skipped structural engineering lots of information on damping systems is available here especially the two "technotes" papers 1 and 2.
I think the article said it was an 800 ton damping system; it doesn't suggest how much the building will weigh but that second paper shows that even a 2% mass ratio can signficiantly reduce vibrations in the building.
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I wonder if the esteemed Dr M believes that it is another Jewish conspiracy.
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Where did the submitter learn to spell?
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Does everybody else think the International Finance Center in Hong Kong hereis modeled after what I think it's modeled after? To quote Shrek: "Maybe they're trying to make up for something."
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Actually... they've just announced plans to include a broadcast tower, which will expand the tower's height to as much as 2100ft!
WTC TOWER WILL NOW TOP 2,000 FT.
At some point in the past, a group of architects (I don't remember the details) agreed that the height of the entire building, including ornamental spires would be used.
If this rule was applied to the Sears tower as well, then it would still be taller than the Kuala Lumpur towers. For whatever reason, the spires are counted on those, but not on the Sears tower.
I'd like to draw your attention to the Empire State Building because it was completed in 1931, decades before most of these other buildings were even thought of, decades before "modern" skyscraper architecture and engineering. It still ranks as one of the tallest (and most famous) buildings in the world over 70 years later.
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CN Tower, Toronto Canada. The CN Tower is 553.33 m (1,815 ft, 5 inches) tall
CN Tower still is the tallest free-standing structure, but was never the tallest building. Buildings have usable floors all the way to the top. The CN tower does not meet this qualification.
You may not be a terrorist, sir, but you are definitely a gullible moron. It is time to cast aside the shackles of your mythical fairy tales and leave the 14th century for the 21st century. Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hinduists, Shintoists, Buddhists; you are all stupid fools believing in BULLSHIT and killing each other over those beliefs.
Grab a fucking clue and wake the living fuck up. The only reason humankind hasn't been able to live and progress as a whole has been because of braindead morons like you believing in fucking fairy tales.
You are not a terrorist, but you and your ilk are responsible for 99% of the bullshit that happens in this world. Go blow your fucking head off, loser.
Considering the building was being designed probably 10 yrs ago and was already under construction on 9/11/01 I doubt the plane crash scenario was given much thought. The WTC was built to withstand a 727, which was a 1960's era 4 engine jet, much smaller and slower than the 757s that hit the WTC. A 737 is a "baby" jet. Of course there is the 747, C-5, C-17 and some other large Russian jets which are monsters and I'm not sure you could design for a hit from on of these. Maybe there is a super-secret anti-aircraft missile system installed to prevent crashes. I'd be more concerned with a large earthquake or super typhoon causing problems. Taiwan has both of those with some regularity.
For whatever reason, the spires are counted on those, but not on the Sears tower.
Communication antennae, like those on the Sears tower, are not counted towards the total height of the building. However, ornamental spires, like those on the Petronas Towers are counted.
According to The Guiness Book of World Records, the tallest building is 553.33 metres or 1815 feet, 5 inches tall. By my calculations, this is taller than the building in the article. Blame Canada.
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Because it feels like its cheating, with that tiny little point sticking up there.
Yeah, because they really need a "safe passage" to get into a country that is currently hosting some 5 million illegal immigrants, has a rampant illegal weapon and drug trade, and has counterfeit documents throughout the globe.
THEN THE ONE MENTIONED HERE ISN'T, EITHER: "The full height was achieved after adding a 60-metre (197-ft) spire on top of the building"
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Go blow your fucking head off, loser. And, we should leave the world in the charge of nice, rational, peaceloving people... like you?
Taipei 101 is still taller than both of them, sirrah. It is the tallest from ground to spire, the tallest from ground to roof, and the tallest from ground to highest floor.
Also, the spires on these buildings are decorative in nature. The antennas on the Sears tower are not. If a spire adds to the overall design of the building, then I think it is fair to include its height. I think we should still distinguish between usable height and decorative height. The latter characteristic should probably be decided on a case by case basis by a group of architects.
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there was no world's tallest building before this.
this is the first building ever built.
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THEN THE ONE MENTIONED HERE ISN'T, EITHER: "The full height was achieved after adding a 60-metre (197-ft) spire on top of the building"
Correction, "all the way to the top, which may include an ornamental spire." I was talking about the difference between a structure and a building.
Go blow your fucking head off, loser.
The attitudes of people such as yourself fill me with far more dread than a thousand WTC bombings
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I wouldn't be too happy about working in this monster (or any other skyscraper). 9/11 showed the need for work on ways to get people out of skyscrapers quickly in case of a major fire or other disaster. Just yesterday 10 people (I believe) died in a high-rise fire in Chicago; they were found in a stairwell, and apparently died of soke inhalation. I don't think I would work in one of the upper floors unless I were able to keep a parachute in my office.
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sweet!! think they'll let me base-jump off it? :)
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1) there will be a 800 ton spherical mass damping system to minimize sway. between a restaurant level and an observation deck near the top, exposed for our viewing pleasure. i will most def. be there to see it..
2) fastest elevators in the world. upwards 60km/hr, downwards at 48km/hr. (any idea why down has a lower limit? safety?)
3) double deck elevators. i'd like to see neo break out of this one. a first too.
4) and by the way, 448m roof is > 447m roof of the sears tower. this is most definitely taller.
5) finally, i see the sears tower everyday. it's kinda ugly...pretty refreshing to see this bamboo-inspired design.
Seems odd that it happened to be exactly 1,667 feet... like maybe they added a little bit extra to get past that 1,666 mark.
Actually, 1,666.7 is more accurate, I think. (that is, if it is exactly 508.0 meters) If you round off to the nearest whole foot, the guy that builds one at 1,667.2 is gonna get short-changed.
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It's the difference between a spire and an atennae. While the former is an ornamental structure which counts in heigh, the latter is a functional structure which is disqualified. It's a foolish rule but is explained well by abde's post above, though I suppose in the end, all that matters is one's own personal view since the rules are all pretty subjective concerning building height, or even the definition of a building.
...and I suppose that Marge Simpson, what with her huge blue bee-hive, must be the tallest person in the world. Hair counts for height, right? Can't disqualify her just 'cause she's a cartoon. No, that would be alot of Yank whinging.
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Because apart from being a communications tower and a tourist attraction, the CN Tower is as useful as a toothpick.
Everyone is agruing that other buidlings are taller because it is right or not right to count the spires. Personaly I live in Chicago and say that the Sears Tower is still the tallest building.
The reason all these buildings are so close to each other in heigh, and they have to cheat by adding decorations to the type, is because of elevators.
Engineers can firgure out how to build things much higher while mainting strucural intergrity. The problem is moving people about safely.
Elevators can only go up so high becuase of the cables. To go higher you have to build staged elevator shafts. These take up room. Then you have to have more then one elevetor, so that takes up a crap more room.
You go too high and almost all your lower floors are going to be elevator shafts. So these buildings are going to be as tall as they get.
Untill they develope linear induction motor driven elevators(mag-levs) so that people will not be scared to use them. Then buildings are going to get real high with an elevator being able to make the entire trip to the top. Maybe even on the outside of the building. That would be cool. We could shove people with claustrophobia, fear of elevators, fear of heights, and fear of tall buildings into those elevators. Then we can watch them try and scratch at the door and glass. muwhahahaaa!
It's like this: If Billy the cashier at McDonald's works 6 hours everyday, does he only get paid minimum wage * 6? No, you have to factor in the number of days. And if he wears a spire on his head, he'll get paid even more!
-Major Kusanagi, Section 9
Parent posted to World's 10 Tallest Buildings which shows pictures of all 10 buildings (including Taipei 101) on a ruled page that shows the height in meters.
The graphic is very pretty. It also shows that only the Sears tower has a full floor over 425m. And that if the permanent antennas were redefined as spires, it would still be the tallest.
US are #1! I mean, we are #1. I mean, well, I am not an architect or associated with the construction industry in any way, but national pride says we are still the highest (in every sense of the word.)
I spend my life entertaining my brain.
The CN tower is once and for all the world tallest free-standing...
TOURIST TRAP!!!!
Have you SEEN what they charge for an elevator ride to the main observation level. And then another ridiculous amount to take that crappy little elevator to the groddy little top observation deck which really isn't any different from the main level cause you're already so high up.
The "glass" floor in the main observation level is kinda cool though. 342m (1,122 ft) straight down beneath your feet. Acrophobics beware!!
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
We need to master the craft of constructing real tall structures if we ever want to construct a space elevator (with 50km high base).
Or we get Reagun to simply put them in school in texas (Many iraqi leaders)
Or we get reagun to admit them to CIA school so that they learn how to to attack us and fend for themselves.
You could fuck a hummingbird.
Trigger-happy hackers from the "real world" shooting out support cables and taking wild rides upwards grasping tight, shiny leather-clad babes whilst mumbling about the non-existence of certain pieces of cutlery.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
Look closer at the structure. On every 8 floors there's a platform (the shoots) that can be used for evacuation & rescue.
Yes, and I have spent time doing business in Taipei. My understanding is that there is a big likelihood that there will be an earthquake larger than 7 on the Richter scale. Not only that, but I doubt their ability to know every technical problem of having an earthquake of 7 on the scale.
The article says, "Some have worried that the building would be dangerous in earthquake -prone Taiwan. But the skyscraper's developers have said the closest fault line is 660 feet from the building, and the fault hasn't been active in 45,000 years."
This is utter nonsense. An earthquake does not need to be close to a building to destroy it.
Earthquakes close to 7 are not rare. The Bay Area quake was 6.9. California is part of the same earthquake system, the Pacific basin.
Re jetliner attack. The entire Taipei city vinicity is dotted with anti-aircraft missile batteries. Any jetliner that dares to approach it will be shot down (with wreckage & debris splattered down on the city blocks below) before it even gets near. There are even a couple of Patriots to intercept Chinese dumb missiles in-coming from over the Taiwan Strait.
fuck you
The site that has images of this new building, this"Skyscrapers.com" holds the rights to the images of the new buildings. All of the images bear the warning:
The image above is for internet viewing only, and may not be saved outside your browser or used without a license. However, you can buy usage rights if the image belongs to our staff.
So whatever you do kids! If you're a windoze luser, PLEASE make sure you don't accidentally fullscreen the browser window, and make sure your cat doesn't unwittingly stand on the keys RIGHT ALT+SHIFT+PRINT SCREEN and then shift feet to stand on CTRL+V while you have, say MSPAINT open. That image might end up in an unauthorized area! Also, be careful as a mac user that you don't let your fingers (unintentionally, of course!) stumble across Command Key+4, and if you do make sure the marquee doesn't stray into the protected image! You want to make absolutely sure that if you want to look at these pictures outside your browser window you'll do the right thing kids! Pay the licensing fee!
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
While the former is an ornamental structure which counts in heigh, the latter is a functional structure which is disqualified. It's a foolish rule but is explained well by abde's post above...
That makes sense, I suppose.
Taking this to the ridiculous, wouldn't the building itself be functional, hence exempt from measurement?
Since only ornamental features count, I declare that nothing but garden gnomes and lawn flamingos shall ever count for the tallest anything.
Calcuate the "mine's bigger than yours" factor by weighting the height by the area at that height. Tall thin spires count for little; large inhabitable floors or mechanicals count for a lot more.
(Then you can start quibbling over the exact formula and wording, kind of like Americas Cup yacht owners.)
and they'll tell you what the tallest building in the world is: the Sears Tower. It's stupid to say a 101-story building is the tallest in the world when the Sears Tower has over 110 floors and the highest occupied floor in the world at 1,450 ft. Anyone from Chicago can tell you these shoddy knockoffs are just that.
Coicidentaly, I went to the Sears Tower Skydeck (the observing floor on 103) and their informational video actually had pics of the Kuala Lumpur towers. One of the narrators (an animated bird) asks the other, "But what about those towers in Malaysia?" and was of course brushed off with, "Well, if adding some sillt piece of masonry can get you a title, let them have it. We know we're truely the tallest."
Also of intrest, I remember when the Kuala Lumpur towers were finished and the owners of the Sears Tower (don't remember if it was still Sears at that point) looked into adding two or three 'dummy' floors, which would be all that was nescesary to beat the Kuala Lumpur towers. Unfortunatly, with the Taipei tower 'officially' measuring over 1,600 feet, that'd be a few too many dummy floors.
But anyone from Chicago can tell you why these imitations don't measure up to the real thing.
-Trillian
When will they realize that engineering and architectural marvels aren't what real power is all about.
I mean, who needs to go to space and build great things and such when you can blow all of your country's money killing, destroying, and generally pissing people off...all while mispronouncing simple two syllable words? Now that's how to build a legacy!
CN Tower is still taller; however, some fools claim that the two towers that died a year or two ago were actually taller.
Just an interesting tid bit I found on the SkyscraperPage.com. The International Space station is 99 Meters, or about 1/5 the height of the tallest building in the world. The top is quite a bit taller of course.
:o)
Gives new meaning to Thoreau's "If you have built castles in the air, now put the foundations under them."
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b21790
Because it's in Canaduh
I live in Taiwan. Taipei 101 makes me ill everytime I look at it. The building is a government-financed feel-good project to enhance the nation's prestige. Unfortunately, except for the government-owned stockmarket, the office tower has attracted no tennants willing to sign a lease. Backers of the project claim that the seven-storey shopping mall is leased - of course, they don't like to mention that it's in another building. This thing is going to go spectacularly bankrupt soon after it's finished. By the way, nearby Sungshan Airport had to re-route it's flights to avoid danger to the office tower.
The "high-rise" fire in Chicago was around the 10th floor. The people died from smoke inhalation around the 20th floor. The building itself I believe is only around 25 stories. The point is, unless you refuse to work above floor four or five, there is always going to be a chance of something like that happening. Of course, if you work in the basement of any building, you could also get trapped down there.
Taipei 101 is still taller than both of them, sirrah. It is the tallest from ground to spire, the tallest from ground to roof, and the tallest from ground to highest floor.
Technically this is correct, but the Taipei 101 is a whole 6 meters taller then the Sears Tower. And if you look at the top of the Taipei 101, it is about the size of a staircase. The full-sized top floor tops out about 390 meters, or 40 meters short of the Sears Tower.
Because it is a tower and not a skyscraper?
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
Good thing I browse /. from home, or I might have been nailed for that.
This post made with the Dvorak layout.
"Friends don't let friends use QWERTY"
And what's the difference between that and a building that only wins because they stuck a silly spire on it? (The CN tower is a building with restaurants and elevators and all sorts of tourist junk in it.) IMO, either it should be the highest occupied floor with a certain minimum area (in which case the Sears tower wins), or the tallest free-standing structure with spires and whatnot included (in which case the CN tower wins).
I find your blatantly Islamophobic attitude to be disgusting, and unworthy of a science and technology oriented news site.
Hmmm, so how was the original post blatantly islamophobic, as you say?
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So now, when somebody jumps, instead of making a "splat" noise, they make a "SPLAT!!!" noise. Right?
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So get on with it and celebrate this new achievement.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
OH, but what about the world's tallest freestanding bell tower, 160 ft. (49 m), in good old West Lafayette, Indiana. You can't forget about that. Just forget about who has the largest, who has the biggest. Worry about the things that matter, such as incompetent leadership. Yes, I am a citizen of the US, until I finally get away from this shit-hole, and no we didn't choose that asshole, we chose the other one.
story n.
Variant(s): also 'storey'
Inflected Form(s): plural stories, also 'storeys'
Etymology: Middle English storie, from Medieval Latin historia picture, story of a building, from Latin, history, tale; probably from pictures adorning the windows of medieval buildings
Date: 14th century
1 a : the space in a building between two adjacent floor levels or between a floor and the roof b : a set of rooms in such a space c : a unit of measure equal to the height of the story of a building
2 : a horizontal division of a building's exterior not necessarily corresponding exactly with the stories within
>> The WTC was built to withstand a 727, which was a 1960's era 4 engine jet
The 727 has 3 engines. Did you mean the larger 707?
>> ...if not for the taking out of the asbestos in the inner core, they would have stood.
That's debatable; asbestos can withstand temperatures up to around 1100-1200 degrees F. The fires in the WTC probably exceeded that temperature, getting as hot as 1500-2000 degrees.
Asbestos would have afforded some protection, but it is mostly good for preventing the *spread* of fire and not for insulation. The heat would likely have been transmitted into the steel structure anyway in those hellish conditions.
building, n.
Pronunciation: 'bil-di[ng]
Date: 14th century
1 : a usually roofed and walled structure built for permanent use (as for a dwelling)
2 : the art or business of assembling materials into a structure
Hmmm... they forgot to add "must have usable floors all the way to the top (see 'structure')."