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Panther Released into the Wild
u2fan00 writes "Those fortunate enough to have an Apple Store near them were in for a treat last night -- crowds! Oh, and also Panther. Check out the local reactions, photos and stories from some stores across the nation."
Geeze. I saw the crowd last year at Lenox Mall in Atlanta for the Jaguar release, so I cleverly waited one entire day.
:-)
The Lenox Mall Apple store is a bit of a drive, so I went to the Micro Center not far from where I live. They're sort of a baby Fry's, but more expensive and nowhere near as good. This is, unfortunately, the South, and you take what you can get here. It beats Bosnia.
I walked into the Apple department, grabbed a copy of Panther, and asked if I needed to ring it up there or if I could keep shopping. The salesman put a sticker on it and told me to buy it up front, and then tossed a couple of freebies on the pile... a mousepad and a 64MB USB flash drive.
So I got a much shorter drive, no parking hassles, and a free USB drive in exchange for waiting a day. Calling this a no-brainer seems an understatement.
No impressions yet, I'm backing up before installing. Ok, one impression: the box is cool. Big silver X on a black background. Box upgrades are very important, you know.
... don't give educational discounts. You have to order online for that. So if you're a student, don't go trucking out to the store... you can't get it for $70 there.
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
That looked like what happens to distro FTPs when a new release is out. Now they just need a physical equivalent to BitTorrent.
I believe it should be called either FleshTorrent or Orgy.
Weird, Just got panther installed, launched safari and set slashdot to my homepage, and I see this artical.. weird.....
Well I must say panther is awesome, but linux is much nicer on my mac....
and last nights apple store here in buffalo ny sucked, they only handed out dog tags. Not even a free tshirt!!
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Real men download their OSs.
I'm quite sure spike lee owns intellectual property in the letter "X". Especially in that font and on a black background, jeez....
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
This picture cracked me up.
humorless killjoy pull the wings off any butterflies today?
ELITISM: It's always lonely at the top. Uninvited company is rarely welcome.
I'm considering getting a G5 for game development. I'm currently running a small dev team that is gearing up for work on a DooM 3 total conversion. My question is, Mac gamers, how hard is it going to be to compile DooM 3 on OS X 10.3 Panther, compared to PC? What are the roadblocks for PC-centric guys like myself? Are there any good tutorial sites for gamers like myself who want to switch ?
I figure, if John Carmack is coding DooM 3 on a Mac, then it must be all that, right?
if you do an upgrade, you will be in a world of pain.
all the problems I have read about have been from simple upgrades, everyone who has not had problems has done an archive install or an erase install.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Mine came by FedEx Friday afternoon. My old dual 450 G4 has definitely perked up a bit; though I can definitely tell I need a new Quartz Extreme video card.
The seed 7B85 is slightly different than the retail version. OS9 installer drivers are not on 7B85.
Yes! I listen to NYC Speedcore and do math at 3AM. I suggest you try it too.
Some people with in-house AirPort networks have run into difficulties after installing panther. If this is happening to you, Apple has already given a workaround here.
Also, Control-d now selects the dock and allows for keyboard navigation rather than getting sent to the app you want it to be sent to (such as terminal). I haven't figured out how to turn this off, but you can work around it by using the option key in addition to the control key (so Control-Option-d instead of just Control-d).
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
Wow Apple fans sure are a rabid lot :-)
You'd have thought from the queues that the shops were giving away free drugs!
How do people get so addicted to a piece of computer software ?
It least it is not Jaguar, which was inexplicably named after a failed Atari game system.
Panther is cool; I like "Expose" pretty well.
For those unix types I have two issues so far:
1) the cocoa version of emacs I was using is broken by panther
2) the version of x11 I downloaded from apple is not automatically updated. You must update it manually from disc 3. Note that the old one is broken by panther.
I also needed to reinstall Microsoft Office X, but it is working fine now.
I've been trying to get a reliable e-mail program working for months now. MONTHS.
...those Macs sure do look nice...
1) Mozilla randomly forgets where its configuration files are, and of course has NO OPTION TO SET WHERE THEY ARE which means that I have to rebuild my e-mail settings over and over again.
2) Evolution takes over a minute to start.
3) Red Hat corrupts its own RPM database when other e-mail clients are installed, then just hangs.
4) mutt will take four months to configure correctly.
5) Yeah, Outlook Express. Sure thing.
Then I look at Mac OS X mail and I have to ask: why is there, after FIFTEEN YEARS, no reliable, working, nice, up-to-date e-mail client outside of Mac OS X?
After watching Mozilla faceplant and Red Hat shit itself (by the way, my first Linux install was Slackware on a 486 WITH NO DOCUMENTATION)
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
I haven't anything like that since people lined up to RETURN Windows ME!
I haven't had problems with anything that you've mentioned, though I haven't tried saving drafts over IMAP yet.
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
USE THAT FEEDBACK FORM. Submit ALL the bugs you ran across, all the bugs you just told us. If your bug is a dupe of someone elses, that is ok. These bugs may be obvious to you, but they may not be quite so much so to the coders at Apple. They can't fix what they don't have catalogued.
All this over a stupid cat? Maybe I'd wait in a line that long if it was a penguin!
Oh, when will that day arrive....
Well, I saw your article and I immediately ran down to my local Mac place (McDonald's that is... I really wish you guys would not use the short name.). Anyway, I asked them if I could please have the new Panther Burger. They called security and threw me out! Can you believe that?
P.S. Don't bother asking them for any apples either.
... To a Microsoft release. That's a real hardcore user base ;)
I preordered Panther and was super happy when yesterday, 4:00 PM, Fed Ex pulls up in my driveway with a box from Apple.
Beat the crowd scene totally... and I didn't have to take off my rubbah slippahs at the airport, or surrender my box cutters.
It's up and running nicely... everything is brushed metal. Lots of windows popping up and then disapearing - I'll love Expose'.
Tranquility runs like a dream - improved frame rate.
Go Apple - Too bad it wasn't free.
X with black background color reminds me of The X-Files. :)
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Included in the box (what a cool black box it is, too!) is a development environment CD (compilers, APIs, SDKs, and the xcode IDE).
I'm happy to see Apple still giving the development tools away for free.
I'm thinking about buying a 15" PowerBook shortly (probably from MacConnection, since they have good deals). I was going to wait until I could get one with Panther preinstalled, but I'd like to have the PowerBook by Thanksgiving and so it looks like I'll have to order one soon (which will probably still come with Jaguar).
I've been reading various forums and I keep hearing that a clean install for Panther is the way to go. And, since the PowerBook will be brand new, I won't have to back anything up beforehand ;). However, do PowerBooks come with any software that isn't part of the OS by default? For instance, do they come with AppleWorks or other software that I'd lose if I chose to upgrade with a clean install?
Also, I'm still looking for a snug case/sleeve for the PowerBook, if anyone has any suggestions. I'm looking for one that's thin and just big enough to include a mouse and a power supply. I'd also prefer zippers or buttons over velcro (since they tend to be quieter than velcro).
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
how are the sales staff obnoxious?
you walk in and they great you, ask if you need any help, and if you do, they help, if not, they leave you alone until you leave or are ready to buy something.
they are cheerful and nice to talk to.
perhaps you should complain to the management of that store.
iMacs at K-Mart would be a nice idea, as would it be at Best Buy.
and here, the Apple store is open from 10 - 9 same hours as the Mall and Best buy right down the street.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
The Max OS X Panther 10.3 box includes 4 CDs... three for 10.3 and it's accessories (keep in mind these three CDs include localizations for 12 languages)... and a development environment CD containing compilers, various SDKs, and the feature-filled xCode IDE.
It's a bit alien to those not used to the NeXT way, but it only took my roommate about 15 minutes to find his way around. Both of us have already converted most of our projects to xCode.
Guess you never ran Linux on a Mac.
:)
I've got Yellow Dog Linux 3 running on the original Rev. A Bondi iMac and it is as beautiful a sight as I've been treated to by computers. Very fast, very responsive under Gnome.
OS X on the same machine by contrast is an exercise in futility. The spinning ball never stops spinning. It crashes. It's slow. It's almost completely useless.
I guess that makes me an ass-clown too.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
Gotta say I was drooling when they announced the G4 iBooks, lamenting my Applecare isn't up til May, but this has breathed new life into my iBook 500. I backed up to Peerless (hush - they were $50 EOL) and did an upgrade install - no problems so far. Given the backup, I may backup again now and do an erase install...
Everything is much faster. Mail.app has to reindex, Preview will now be my pdf viewer, and the calculator actually remembers which mode you quit it in. Sorry I paid for Koalacalc. The network panel is informative and rather than a clicking party.
Only drawback is without Quartz Extreme my Expose is doing about 3 fps, but it still does what's needed.
Only grip is that the new finder windows w/o toolbars have a very subtle facing - then you enable the new finder windows in full regalia, and they get the old brushed metal, which looks rough in comparison.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Atari also had another system which was never released called you guessed it, Panther. Panther was set to come out about the same time as the SNES... had it come out it would have been by far the most superior console for a year or two.
--- I do not moderate.
Dog tags would have been cool, all I got at the SOHO Apple Store (downtown NYC) was some "designer" wrapping paper for Christmas. But then again there was easily over 1000 people trying to get in. I was stupid and tried to get there right at 8:00, but I was met with a line that went around the block.
;)
There were tons of people there, that's for sure. I at least got entered to win a new Mac, but other than that the wrapping paper kinda sucks. I was hoping for free T-shirts as well. I didn't even get a copy of Panther either. That will have to wait until I get a job. Anyone out there looking for a Mac programer in the New York City area?
I did get to play with Panther though, and it is very cool.
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I've upgraded every time since 10.1, hitting all the revisions in between. I did an upgrade install with Jag and did one again on Panther. Not a problem; everything's working fine.
The people who seem to have problems with upgrades are the ones who install all that unsanity haxie garbage. At least, that seems to be a common denominator among most troubled upgrades.
I am not Herbert.
I received my copy of "Panther" via FedEx at 11AM... so I spent the afternoon backing up and installing Panther on my two laptops (a 15" AlBook and older iBook SE). The install was three disks long (when will they start offering a DVD?) and rather uneventful.
I really dig the new "Expose'" feature, fast user switching and the capability to easily/seamlessly encrypt my home directory. I plan on testing the windows printer share capabilities in a few minutes...
However, my "Night of Panther" was spent watching the BBC's rendition of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy... had to test out the updated Apple DVD player, you know? It worked great!
I've been using Panther for about 24hours and really haven't run into any bugs other than having to reinstall MS Office X.
If you haven't already, I would highly recommend filing bug reports with Apple (go to the feedback section of their OS X website). Rumor has it Apple is currently collecting bugs to fix for 10.3.1.
Also, did you do a fresh install or an upgrade. My roommate and I did fresh installs on our machines and really haven't run into any of the bugs you've reported. Moving icons and mounting servers have worked fine for us. Though we don't use IMAP or Bluetooth.
I'm 26, but a significant majority of the folks at the release party I went to were 50+. I guess Apple's youth-oriented marketing hasn't been working in my area. It makes sense though; most of the young kids want to game and hot-rod their boxes--something Apple's not known for.
It was probably MS that started this kind of hype for an OS; that may be their one claim to originality. Back before 1995, the idea that anyone would get amped up over an operating system release was absurd. I remember a friend telling me that when her family came in from India they were so curious about what this Windows 95 thing was that they had been hearing about.... until she explained that it was a computer disc!
Windows NT4 isn't vulnerable to the Blaster virus dude. You'd better check your facts before posting.
Yeah, we are a cult of consumers, sure was we are a cult of food-eaters and a cult of breathers.
Being a consumer and buying stuff to enhance quality of life is normal, but rushing out to line up for the big release really does seem pathetic (as a sidenote-Is Apple putting out an OS every 8 months or so, always at full price?)- would life crumple if one were to avoid the crowds and pick it up the next time you happen to be near the electronic store?
Hahahah. Ok ok....that's just TOO funny. No, really. Why would any AC desire to post how pisspoor their "G5" is compared to their vaunted PPro? See how many people bite, I guess. :) Oh well..I took the bait. I just want to commend you on THE most clever bit of parody since Weird Al's "Amish Paradise"
Oh MAN, that whole post should be modded +2 funny.
It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
Been running 10.2.8 on two iMacs at home and it's been ok. I did max out the RAM at 512MB but it's perfectly usable. 10.1 pretty much blew chunks, though. That being said, will be interesting to see how much faster 10.3 is. It's nice that, since 10.0 was a major slowdown, 10.x keeps getting faster. Guess if you start with a low bar, it's easy to keep improving with each release.
I drank what? -- Socrates
See early user feedback. Also, anyone tried this FREE powerful FORTRAN for Panther tuned to exploit AltiVec G5 power (also works on G4s)?
... Sales of Apple's new OS dubbed "Panther" slowed to a crawl Saturday as 90 percent of Mac owners purchased the software the night before...
I planned on inserting something witty here but never got around to it.
enough said
I went to MacDaddy Computers, an Apple Specialist in Modesto, about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's a really small store on one of the main drags through town, and there was literally nobody there at 9:00PM outside of the store employees. I was lucky enough to snag the last copy they had; they had put a "sold out" sign in the window right before I got there. I also got some dog tags with the cool metal X logo and the requisite 10.3 t-shirt.
:-D
As far as the OS goes, it's by far the best one yet. With each new release of OS X, there have been reviewers going on about the massive speed increases over the previous versions... but this is the only upgrade where I have actually felt the massive speed increase. This, along with numerous other interface improvements, make it worth every penny (I paid full price).
For example, I thought I would hate the new Finder, but it's really great, and I find it more usable than the 10.2 Finder. If you don't like the sidebar and/or the brushed metal, you can make them both go away with a click of the toolbar widget. Once they're gone, the Finder behaves pretty much exactly like the OS 9 Finder, a throwback I (and the spatial-finder dude at Ars Technica) really appreciate. Expose's coolness factor is matched only by its utility. The guy who runs MacDaddy said I'd be loving it on a 12" iBook screen, and I really am. The application switcher that pops up in lieu of the Dock is pretty much lifted from Windows and KDE, but is so much cooler because it displays icons in their full 128x128 glory.
Now the only thing I have to wait for is an update to XPostFacto so I can put it on my Beige G4. I don't think I'm ever going to bother with installing 10.2 or below on anything again.
Upgrading vs. Clean install
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:)
Profile: 12.1 1ghz G4 powerbook CDRW
First impressions - sucks of an "upgarde" - meaning taking 10.2.8 install and going to try and install 10.3 ON TOP of the install and save all the settings and
Safari and Internet Explorer didn't launch AT ALL.
Roxio Toast doesn't work AT ALL
Start up scripts were not preserved (custom mysql and apache installs from source)
Non-proper shutdown and had to force quit a NUMBER of times - 5 total out of 7 reboots
A number of noticable features were just do not working or didn't show up in the "upgrade" that are avaible in the FULL BLOWN FROM SCRATCH.
Full blown INSTALL -> backedup via ipod
Features are rich, vivid colors.
VERY quick launch, and seems to be a lot of enhancements to make the kernel quicker with its module.
Roxio Toast 6 STILL doesn't work.
I HATE the box feature around icons on the deaktop, however the icon blowup is VERY nice
Mail client, Safari, and Bluetooth support seemed to have been upgraded to provide better broadcast of devices and looks nice.
I think that my final verdict is that I'm going to STAY with 10.3, but if you are doing a simple install OVER your current install of 10.2.8 its completely worthless. Back up ALL your stuff.
If you have customised your mac, desktop or powerbook, 10.3 will NOT bring you any added benifit. Sure there are 150 updates, but non of them are like the 10.1 -> 10.2 upgrade by roping in the lead BSD developer to fix a LOT of performance issues that were present.
HOWEVER, if you are a software developer, you will enjoy the better customisations that are avalible in the install -> namely the install of X11.
Another "JUST DOESN"T WORK" out of the box features, is the compile of PHP 4.x and 5.x-beta. Some how the DNS package so files just are NOT working. I have yet to find a solution but I'll keep looking.
Rating: 7/10
Plus: faster, seems to be more stable, has a lot of "creature comfort" upgrade, Xcode tools look to be a HUGE plus
Con: Roxio, and PHP don't work out of the source installs at ALL. no MAJOR blemishes, but it seems to be more cosmetic and little features rather than "functional" ground shaking updates Could have simply kept on patching vs. a FULL upgarde and marketing of the product.
These are not un-common problems with clean-up OS releases. A major release example would be Windows 98 -> Windows Me which was more of a huge PATCH, rather than a real OS upgrade. Windows 2000 was the REAL release, and I think that the NEXT release should be 11 with some BETTER upgrade features.
Personally, I don't find the selection of Mac games to be that bad. In terms of proprietory stuff, it has more ports of PC stuff than does Linux, plus being UNIX based, you can easily compile all the open source Linux stuff as well. But then, perhaps I'm not a "power gamer" as I only purchase 3 or 4 games per year.
they moved the option to set drafts, sent, and trash. click the folder you want to set as trash, click the menu mailbox, then "Use this mailbox for" -> trash you used to be able to set these from ctrl-clicking the folder.. oh well.
- tristan
It singlehandedly erased all my negative engrams upon first usage.
I commonly have ten applications and 25 windows open. Expose rocked my freakin' world. When I tied it to the right side button on my Intellimouse, my brain trancended to a spiritual level shared only by archangels and certain select saints. Once I came down from that, I had a full and satisfying orgasm with every subsequent use.
I AM NOT EXAGGERATING!
Well, OK, maybe a little.
Oh, and the new customizable finder bar in conjunction with the dock makes life good.
And for the first time I find labels cool. I never even used those back in the ghastly pre-OSX days.
--- Ban humanity.
Well, I feel like an idiot. My friend paid for the upgrade version. I bought the full version. In the past, the upgrade versions required a prior version of MacOS already on the hard drive. I really hate having to install my original 10.0 discs, then go through my 10.1 and 10.2 upgrade CDs on a new clean hard drive install. And I wanted to be able to install Panther from scratch.
I was quite surprised to compare my box to his. Same bar code, same product number, same CDs.
Guess I could have saved $60.
"Population 1,656"
What was the last version of OS X you ran on your iMac? The first couple point releases were dogs on older machines, but Jaguar made great strides in that area, and from what I hear, Panther goes even further. However, I think the grandparent was talking about the UI, not the performance. You have to admit, the Jaguar UI is far better than Gnome, KDE, or any other Linux UI.
I waited in line at my local Apple Store, well worth the wait for the best version of OS X so far...
When a post like the parent gets modded down, it really tells you something about the whole Linux on The Desktop movement.
If Open Source/Free Software is unwilling to tolerate people making legitimate complaints about things that sap their productivity and destroy their user experience, then perhaps Linux really isn't as ready for the desktop as we thought it was.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
I'm seriously considering switching; when was the last time an MS OS gave you a free IDE? QBASIC?
I usually build my own boxes, but I'd like to see suggestions for the $1000 +/- range. Just need a desktop/tower form factor, and I already have a nice LCD monitor. Reccomendations?
It's kickass, especially f9, but the Active Directory plugin is a noshow. We were waiting to deploy some g5s and pbs until panther arrived, so we could just integrate them with our AD setup, but the AD plugin just doesn't work in our environment. Check out the apple resource page for panther for active directory, and you'll see the problems in detail.
Do you see the sig? Do you have it in your sights? Why yes, Miss Moneypenny...
My spiffy new silver-and-black 10.3 upgrade CD's just arrived yesterday, and I installed them... ...it is indeed build 7B85.
But what's with the "B?"
Isn't the "B" designation usually used for a beta release?
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Works for me. Haven't had a problem.
:-D
If you upgrade and have problems. LOG BUGS TO APPLE! Don't just bitch and whine here and then wipe your drive and clean install. Log the bug first! Then bitch and whine to someone else and do a clean install...
I got sucked in and had to look. There goes my appetite!
_damnit_
It's my job to freeze you. -- Logan's Run
Is fink running on 10.3
Just got panther installed, launched safari and set slashdot to my homepage, and I see this artical.. weird.....
I thought panther's safari had a new integrated spellchecker.
No?
Malike Bamiyi wanted my assistance.
At least no one was camping in tents in the weeks before the release... as a number of Star Wars fanboys did for Ep I.
And Ep I can't even be called enhancing one's quality of life!
would life crumple if one were to avoid the crowds and pick it up the next time you happen to be near the electronic store?
Life would crumple, because it wouldn't be as much fun.
These people aren't lining up and throwing parties because expose and fast user switching are going to change their lives. They're throwing parties because they want to throw parties, and the release is a good excuse to get all the mac users out there for some fun.
The guys who wait in line for an hour are not spending an hour of their lives to get OS X a day earlier, they're spending that hour hanging out with friends, making new friends (they all have something in common-being fans of the os-so it's a good way to meet people), and enjoying themselves.
The "cult of consumerism" is a real problem only insofar as consumers allow themselves to be exploited. Some may argue that Apple's policy of charging full price for annual upgrades is exploitative, but there are many who feel the pricing isn't unfair. Do the math, and it actually beats the cost per year of Microsoft's professional (ie, no product activiation) versions of windows. Apple is not a designer clothes brand selling the same materials from the same foreign country with a more famous label and a tripled price. Neither is Apple a monopoly gouging consumers without alternatives. The consumers in this picture are lining up like partiers outside a club. Look elsewhere if you want to find cattle.
For a hint as to where to look, try Keenan's recent paper, "Modern Dynamics in Consumerism: The Brand as a Proxy for Tribal Identity." It's an intriguing look at the effect of corporate branding on individuals' social lives. Certain social circles share a disturbing number of characteristics with cults, and the cult paradigm is a useful tool in analyzing how the most materialistic among us operate.
But getting back to the party at the Apple store, it worked really well for me, Panther wasnt the only cat I picked up. While we were hanging out waiting for the release, I ran into a girl who was touching up the digital version of her latest painting on her powerbook, and we ended up, um playing with our new kitties together after the party. You have no idea how hard it is to meet other lesbians who aren't raving, battle-axe-wielding, death-to-all-men feminists these days.
So, while the "cult of consumerism" is a real force in modern American society, the Panther release is a very poor example to use. It's just a case of people using a convenient excuse to have a little fun.
p.s. pickup games of medal of honor over airport with the rest of the line rock!
Kudos on an excellently crafted, and factually complete and relevant reply. Such a beast is rare in these parts.
It's kind of sad that this is the only place where you get that same kind of ...release buzz...that you used to get back in the late 80's or early 90's almost regularly.
The industry just plain sucks nowadays. The shrinkwrap software market is dead. I walk into computer stores and find no one at shelves. No one is really buying anything. Computer shows are pretty much dead, even the swap meet kind. Building your own system is only for old geezers like me. The old local geek meetings like computer clubs pretty much barely exist. The onset of the net killed BBS's dead, eliminating that 'local' link.
This was ultimately the result of Microsoft's dominance. I curse everything I ever did to facilitate it. Sadly, with every day I got up during the 90's to go to work, I helped in many ways, along with thousands of others.
Stupid.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Ahem...
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Where the value of X-Mailer: is the true measure of a man...
I'm aware that there are a number of supported machines that don't have DVD players, however it would be a nice option if they made both available. Also, Apple is *still* offering an iBook with CD drive through the education store!
Just hope the option comes soon... then I won't have to spend time swapping install disks. Perhaps the next major release?
For people who have bought and installed Panther already, what is its build number?
I can remember a lot of speculation that 7B85 was going to be the final but stopped following the discussion some time ago.
However, you'll probably gain more respect from the gaming community - and your efforts will be more useful towards a real job in the gaming industry - if you don't do a Columbine total conversion.
I can see why you posted this anonymous. tee hee!
The fact that immediately you assume we are doing a school shooting mod, kinda makes me chuckle. Why don't you head over to our site and read about our project before you ignorantly bash it: http://doomforcolumbine.com
It's not the kill kids mod for DooM. It's non-violent, political satire in the perfect sheath -- a formerly violent video game!
I agree it would be nice but I can understand Apple's position on it. And brother I totally understand about the disc swapping. My Panther install would have been done ten minutes sooner if I didn't have to keep trying to gently remove the disc from its magic sleeve of +2 protection.
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Hey grandpa, they let you have laptops at the nursing home?
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you PC fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Dell Dimension desktop running at 500 MHz to a new P4 3.3 GHz running WinXP and Red Hat to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 17 MB stick of butter
from one folder on the hard drive to another folder, over and over, all day long, day in and day out, for no reason whatsoever. On the P4 I spent about 6 millennia trying to install Leisure Suit Larry 3. 6 millennia. At home, on my Vic-20 running on a gigantic steam-based generator, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this P4, the same operation would take about 2 nanoseconds. If that.
In addition, during this butter transfer, my PocketPC will not work. KaZaa has ground to a halt. Even Explorer is straining to keep up as I type this. Beyond that, I've been left impotent, crying on the floor as passersby on the street below point, laugh, and deride my choice of computing platform.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various PCs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a PC that has run faster than a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, despite the P4's higher protein content. My TI-80 with 8kb of RAM running a poorly coded, bug-ridden, home-brewed OS that has a broken leg and no input method runs faster than this P4 machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that WinTel is a superior platform.
PC weenies, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a PC over scribbling with invisible ink on homemade parchment.
I have OSX 10.2.6 running on an original imac, but until I added another 256M chip it was indeed VERY slow. I also added a 120G drive and now it makes a fantastic iTunes music server and stores all my photos. It is not that awfully slow anymore for other tasks either. I also still use it on OS9 to play some of the many games I have accumulated over the years.
AAW
All theory is gray
Guess you never ran OS X on a modern Mac. I've got OS X 10.3 running on the Rev. B 12" Powerbook and it is as beautiful a sight as I've been treated to by computers. Very fast, very responsive Finder.
Running Linux on the same machine by contrast is an exercise in idiocy. You never stop configuring and tinkering with it. X11 crashes. Mozilla is slow. It's almost completely useless for getting real work done.
A couple great places to check for refurbished Apple machines are Powermax.com and the Apple Store "Hot Deals" section. I've bought refurbished machines from both of these and had no problems. But these days, Apple is selling the G4 1.25GHz for $1299, so the savings you get from buying refurbished is negligible. I'm using one of these G4 systems as my main workstation now and I'd have no problem recommending it to anyone.
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Hit the button in the top right-hand corner of the window, in the titlebar.
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not so (no edu. discount at stores)
at least at the stores in Norther VA- I've bought at both Clarendon and Tysons' with my school direct deposit paystub and a photo ID.
got the disc. and no wait.
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If she floats, she's a witch.
Currently I boot 10.3 install, then I install 9.2.2, 10.1.5, 10.2.8 via an Automated ASR script.
Netbooting the 10.3 install and automating all of this, anyone have a detailed tutorial before I write one?
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
After using 10.0 for a few months, my mind started melting away and Apple released 10.1. Yay.
After using 10.1 for almost a year, my sanity for a sane user experience started wearing thin. Finally Apple released 10.2, which was also much snappier. And it was something to rival OS 9 in a give-or-take competition for usability vs. stability, with Jaguar clearly winning.
But Panther just blows the doors off of.., um, not sure which doors I'm talking about. Let's put it this way in terms of performance. I used xbench to measure before and after the upgrade.
10.2.8 scores
CPU: 65.14
Thread Test: 35.3
Memory: 63.7
Quartz: 66
OpenGL: 60.5
UI (aqua controls): 57.87 (18.51 refresh/sec)
10.3.0 scores
CPU: 78.87
Thread Test: 60.95
Memory: 103.96
Quartz: 102.62
OpenGL: 78.6
UI (aqua controls): 141.58 (45.54 refresh/sec)
Totals:
10.2: 57.75
10.3: 85.19
Yes, HOLY CRAP this Mac is faster! My Q3A framerate jumped 15 fps (using the Q3 G4 beta). And the UI experience is much much smoother now, really the way OS X should be. Most notably, sheets and other window animation is VERY fast, and they now properly supplement the user experience, instead of just being eye candy. The Dock still sucks, but you can finally hide apps from the Dock contextual menu.
So, if you're sitting on the fence, jump off. If you thought Macs were slow, they just got a bit faster.
Moderators should have to take a reading comprehension test.
you are a weird consumer. I assume you don't greet people who come in your house?
as for the Apple stores, it is amaising the crap those people know (there is always the new kid who needs help from some one else but everyone needs to learn)
as for your warrenty position, I would agree with you on items like TVs, stereos, Car audio, Printers, and any other consumer electronic, BUT I will never go with out a warrenty on a computer. it is asking for trouble. 9% of allcomputers come off the assembly line with defective parts. it is a fact. you will run into that no matter the brand.
I would rather have the coverage and be with out my computer for a week than be pissed off becasue my computer got fucked up in an electrical storm or a hard drive failed (yes, hard drives fail and are not made by the computer OEM) or what have you.
computers are diffrent than other electronics becasue all the parts are made by diffrent people. that means that you have to rely on the QA of 10 diffrent hardware makers for just one computer. while a pre-construction QA by the OEM weeds out the obvious DOAs, it is impossable to weed out all bad parts. IMO you are asking for it if you don't get a warrenty on your computer.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
hey moron, penultimate means "second to last" not "second most ultimate".
would I give a crap if this was some place other than /.?
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
I have an LG DVD/CDRW combo that I installed in my G4. Not only was it not messed up by installing Panther, but Panther has native burn support for it.
I had to do some minor hacking to get Finder/iTunes burn support for it in Jaguar.
I wouldn't be too sad. I got the dog tags and thought "Hell, I'll wear them for good luck while installing Panther!". Oops, airport on Powerbook stopped working.
Then I tried to install on someone else's computer (I bought the family pack, and am stretching the license slightly by spreading it out across a few family members). I accidentally slipped on the dog tags again (What compelled me? I know not. I had stored them in the Panther case and just slipped them on absent-mindedly while pulling out the install CD's). Helllo, a computer trying to go from 9.0 to OS X - no more classic and no more booting back to OS 9 for YOU son!
Sure, I managed to resolve each of these issues after a few hours investigation. But I might point out only AFTER I removed the dog tags from around my neck.
At least the wrapping paper looks cool, and didn't cause you hours of annoyance.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I just finished helping upgrade a G4/400 Quicksilver tower today. I knew that Panther would need more graphical oomph than was provided by the original card (not even sure if that supported Quartz Extreme) so after a little research I bought a Radeon 8500 AGP card (64MB VRAM).
That worked really well, after upping the memory to 768MB as well Panther is very fast and has no issues at all. Frankly, between the video card upgrade and the increase in memory (use to have only 128MB - only ran OS9 before though) it feels almost like a new computer.
A note of caution though - this card is discontinued, and if you find one to buy make SURE it is the Mac version!! There is some talk of flashing the roms with mac roms - unless you get one of the models that has a smaller ROM than the Mac version. Not worth the agony, just get the mac version. You can find some on eBay even now, price is ~$100. I don't think newer Macs have to worry about silliness with Mac-specific video cards.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
control panel -> expose -> look for it -> duh
moox. for a new generation.
Link for that article? Sounds fascinating.
The 15" PBs have shown to be pretty finicky about memory. Lots of reports of them refusing to boot when using 3rd party memory which isn't up to Apple's tolerances. But Crucial supplies exactly the same memory units that Apple uses, so there should be no worries there.
Safari uses the standard Cocoa text area control. Because of this it has spell checking, it just has to be enabled. Right-click in a text area, choose Spelling->Check Spelling As You Type from the menu, and the red dotted underline appears under each misspelled word. I know it works, because I've used it to help me catch a couple of spelling errors in this very message.
From what I understand, Panther's text area window gives some improvements to this feature. (allowing F5 to be used in a manner similar to Auto-complete)
Consumerism can be a mark of sheepishness. But at least it isn't a catastrophic moral failure on the order of publicly desiring people you don't even know dead. That's really cockroachville.
I disagree with you about GB Sr. He was a pretty good president and reasonably intelligent man. His son is far more right wing and far more dangerous.
Damn, you got me there:) Apple never had support for any non-Apple hardware without proprietary drivers from other providers.
Well, times change I guess:)
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I am a happy Mac owner, but at work I use Opera 7 mail. It takes a little getting used to (basically there are dynamic views like "Unread messages" in addition to static mailboxes), but it's quite functional and, like the rest of Opera, fast and uses little memory.
It will set you back 40 bucks unless you want to look at the ads. But hey, so will a nice dinner.
Checking the website . . . it says G5 required. Have you tried it on a G4, or can point me to another location that verifies it works on G4?
Thanks in advance . . .
Having pointers to local variables really does you in, because any dereference - and any function call that must be assumed to do the same - can potentially change any variable in the program. All the registers must be flushed and reloaded.
On the other hand, Fortran doesn't have pointers and for loops can be often not only optimized but paralelized for different values of the loop variable. Say, using vector instructions.
Weather it could be done using a subset of C, some C like syntax or even Java is an open questions. But it seems existing optimizing compilers for numeric calculation are usually for FORTRAN.
You didn't specify which size Powerbook, but http://www.willowdesign.com/WillowAppleCatPORT.htm l>Willow Designs has cases for everything. I work with people who've been buying Willow cases for over ten years, and we've never had a break.
Having installed Panther today, I'd say it's a nice improvement.
Upon installation, one interesting thing happened: the machine happened to kick into sleep mode, because I was away while it asked for disc 2. That's the first time I've ever seen an OS installer ever do that. Sure, they just boot to OS X from CD and then do an installation, but still pretty cool. Also, my machine didn't reboot after install, it was ready to use immediately, and no required reboot after doing Software Updates for iTunes and iSync. Expose is probably my favorite new feature, overall, though. The speed improvement is quite noticable on my upgraded G4 1.2Ghz (used to be a G4 400Mhz).
Not true.
You have to turn it on using the info window for your project if you want it to happen automatically. It's a performance thing.
Otherwise, to invoke completion -- in any Cocoa text view, not just the Xcode editor -- you just hit option-escape.
Umm.... I would hardly describe the current Mac game situartion as "a small, random, usually not terribly good selection"!
Let's see.... Unreal Tournament 2003, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 and 4, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake 3 Arena, Kelly Slater Pro Surfer, Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf from EA Sports, Warcraft 3 + Frozen Throne expansion set, Warrior Kings, Stronghold, Dungeon Seige, Age of Mythology, Age of Empires 2, Halo (due out before Xmas), James Bond: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way, Medal of Honor + expansion pack, Jedi Knight II, Soldier of Fortune II..... not to mention some really teriffic stuff put out by the little guys/shareware authors, like Enigmo.
I'd say things in the Mac gaming world are looking better now than they have in years - and it damn sure looks better than my Linux gaming selection. No, they still don't have anywhere near the number of titles available for the PC, but so many PC titles are a waste of money. It seems to me they only take the time to port the "cream of the crop" of what's already out for PC, and that's fine with me. Unless you pirate everything, you're not really going to be able to buy all the new game titles they crank out for the PC, anyway.
(Well, I could live without that port of Bloodrayne for the Mac, but hey - I've seen worse....)
The upcoming version of Metallifizer is supposed to be able to remove the brushed metal frome the Finder without removing the toolbar. I tried it out, and while promising, its still a bit buggy for me to use.
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There are a couple solutions to this problem:
1. Tweak OSX - there are tons of apps to make OSX work the way you want to - or you can just use your favorite *NIX apps via the *new and improved* X11 support in Panther. 2. Install Linux on the mac. YDL is great if you like Red Hat, and supports lots of late-model hardware. Gentoo has a well-maintained PPC distro, if you like compiling things.
XPostFacto will be updated to work with 10.3 when Darwin gets synched with Panther. The .kext files that enable hardware support and booting ability in older machines come from there....
:)
Which will be nice for me. When XPostFacto works with 10.3, I can update both of my beige G3s and my 9600 at the same time (all of which run Jaguar)
Several tribesmen slaugtered.
I must be the only one in the world who hates the Dock with a passion. "Hey, lets mix running application icons with non-running application icons! How intuitive!"
You must be the only one in the world who has Dock that does not distinguish running an non-running apps. The rest of us use Dock that differentiates them by means of a bold black triangle (running) or a lack of it (non running).
Does anyone know of a manufacturer of a good cycle pannier that fits apple laptops. Something to take the worst of London weather and London potholes.
You bought the upgrade version. Very few people will have a mac with no previous OS on it. The only way to get the full retail version is to buy a new mac....
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"typical braindead US style ignorance"? How about, "typical Slashdot user assholitude"?
Well, it's invariably US posters who display that 'typical Slashdot user assholitude', so if Slashdot is your only point of contact with the US population, I can see how someone might easily conflate the two things.
How about, "typical Euro/Aussie insecurity complex"? Do those sound any better?
This last might if Australia wasn't a whole hemisphere away from Europe and has very little in common with that continent.
Tell me, was that an example of 'typical braindead US ignorance', or just another case of 'typical Slashdot user assholitude'?
You must think that just because YOU aren't stuck with a retarded playboy for a political leader...
Retarded playboy, retarded playboy's poodle... what's the difference?
And learn how to punctuate while you're there.
You're fucking kidding, right? I did check out the poster's previous comments. Two comments were modded as "troll" but that's nothing given that overwhelmingly the rest were "informative" and "insightful" and "interesting." I've had comments mis-modded as "troll" too. It's hardly something to judge anyone by.
Anyway, Bi()hazard, that was one of the best posts I've ever read on Slashdot--one of the few times I've felt the urge to drag-and-drop a post to my desktop to keep. If you do have a link available to the article you cited, I'd love to read it (assuming it's available online somewhere.)
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
Take a long hard look at the Developer Documentation and specifically the Objective-C changes.
What do you think?
Java is not Apple's OO Frameworks for Applications.
Java is there for Server-side development and hence it is not priority number one since Apple is not an Web Services company first and foremost.
I would expect such functionality to be added later, sometime after SDK 1.5.
GB Sr? He was a long time CIA man, meaning he's killed a large number of people, and he's got loads of dirty secrets hidden away. It's feasible that he plotted his son's reign and executed a plan to get that. Look at the votes in Florida. Look at 9/11. I smell a conspiracy, and I'm not your typical conspiracy nut. I'm reasonable and average in almost every way. :)
I think his son is just not a skilled as he was in hiding his true self. If anything, Bush Jr. is less confident and assured as his father. He's doing his father's bidding.
Encountered only two problems.
First, CodeTek Virtual Desktop seems to be incompatable with Panther; it crashes every open app when running.
Second, Duality (a skin changer) fails. However, Panther's UI is somewhat similar to the UI I had the system skinned to, anyhow (Milk).
You're welcome to your views, no matter how rude or obnoxious they might be. You're obviously some troll, who slams everything outside your demographic. Or maybe you visit PlanetCrap.com frequently? (just a guess here)
Do ya hate everyone who's not like you? Do you hate everything that's not aimed directly at your world or style? So why do you hate Michael Moore? Is it because of his weight? His political slant? His film? Or do you secretly want him, sexually, and are angry with him for rejecting your overtures d'amour?
Tell us, AC. Who's your daddy? Dubya?
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So basically, you're saying that if it's worth playing, you can play it on the Mac!
:)
Sounds good to me.
Or maybe you are just the only one who hasn't figured out the obvious solution. Simply pull all of the non-running applications out of the dock, and watch them vanish in a puff of smoke. If you want a special place for non-running favorite applications, you can alias them to a folder, and drag the folder to the document part of the bar, and launch them from the pop-up menu. Or use one of the many launcher programs that provide a separate dock for this purpose.
In Panther, Command-Tabbing between the Open Apps only shows the open Apps in a WindowsXPish way, but nicer looking. The Panther finder is improved too.
Microsoft Intellimouse control^H^H^H^H^H^H^H preference panel. You set the right side button to F9.
--- Ban humanity.
Your machine did reboot, you just missed it. The installer reboots after the first CD, then asks for disk 2. The stuff on disk 2 doesn't require a restart.
Boom Shanka
Or in the Expose control panel, just tie the mouse button to the option you want. That way, OS X handles it instead of the driver. Just did it right now, and I have the left side, right side, and scroll buttons tied into Expose along with the keys.
Yeah, I always lets the actions of other people make my decisions for me, too.
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
When the "other people" are representatives of the vendor, I think that's pretty legitimate.
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No! Do NOT get the Mac-version! The PC-version is $100 cheaper and the flashing is painless! There have been NO PROBLEMS at all with my flashed Radeon 8500 and it was the best thing I ever did for my old G4 400. (Oh, and the 1.2 GB of RAM helped too ;)
"I tend to think of OS X as Linux with QA and Taste", James Gosling, creator of Java
Well, the $130 is the upgrade price. It's just that Apple is being nice and letting everyone (even those with only OS 9) upgrade for the same price.
I.e. the hypothetical "full price" would be something like $260
Perhaps about twice the MHz is required on Wintel: 1.6 GHz
Read several places on the net that the educational discount for Panther is ONLY available from Apple on the network Apple store. I think such educational discounts have been handled thios way for some time.
I didn't say that I desired any dead. I was merely pointing out that my guess is that these sheeple don't contribute to society any more than their wallets do. What kind of people are so self-indulgent and frivolous that they'll line up, clamor, and obsess over a fucking product??
There was no big crowd at the Palo Alto Apple store. And Jobs lives only a few blocks away.
CD Burner was running on Toast probably
3DFX provided their own drivers
IDE drive is IDE drive and that was the only component which you could insert it in and know it will work, although there was a time when HDT was needed to format those drives.
I was using Macs (not as some DTP user, I was servicing them), and still am for about 7 years now, so you could say that I know a little about them
You missed the point, completely. What I was reffering was system base support for hardware, as in, you insert CDROM, and CDROM works without any interferance or drivers. And that support was clearly defined that in Panther now ATAPI drives work that way (by previous poster).
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There was no big crowd at the Palo Alto Apple store on Saturday night because Panther went on sale 8pm on *Firday* night, you fuckwit.
Misspelled. Two S's.
Yes the PC version is cheaper. But as I said not all of the PC cards have enough flash rom to re-flash the bios. It's not worth $50 to have to go through the trouble of flashing the bios, with a possibility it might just not fit anyway!!
I think there may have been a few other issues as well. All I know is I read through a lot of support forums on using the 8500 on a Mac and I was pretty convinced to pay $50 more for a Mac specific version - and I've gone through the trouble of fixing broken ethernet drivers in Linux before when they were not working right with my card. I draw the line at physically having to add more flash rom to a commercial device.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Oh I remember it. But I didn't think anyone other than me and a few other Mac geeks cared. And I certainly don't remember TV ads for system 7 promising the best thing in user interface since the doorknob.
Then why did Sr write a book about why he didn't try to overthrow Saddam in the Gulf War, citing his main reason as there being no support for the action and no real exit strategy for the US troops. Almost all of the things he warned about in his book have come to pass under his son's presidency.
No, it's not an upgrade price if someone who doesn't own any version of MacOS (say, a Commodore 64 user) can buy it for the same price. The concept of an "upgrade price" is that someone who has paid full price for an earlier version of the software is entitled to a discount on a newer version. I see no discount here.
Turn off full keyboard access. System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse
Not always, but much of the time.
The Mac Gaming market is strongly word of mouth. Make a bad product, and the word gets out fast, and no one will buy. Make a good product, and you'll get noticed easier than in the more crowded PC and console markets. IMHO, anyway.
Some years back, one cross-platform developer considered the Mac market the small but reliable one, as they always sold a decent amount of games to them, and the Windows market was the one they might be ignored by, and might get lucky and make a lot of money on. I'm not sure of the name of that company anymore, it's been a while.
There was some talk on the MacGamer.com forums this weekend about someone possibly porting Postal 2. After some talk, and some graphic descriptions from when I saw my brother playing the game, well, let's just say that there's no longer anyone on MacGamer.com interested in buying the game.
"Common Sense Ain't" -Unknown
Thank you, I'm honored. However, the truth is I am part troll-I try to make posts based on a core of truth, but coated in a layer of not entirely honest devil's advocacy and sprinkled with a few outright lies. The goal is to make people think and explore the boundary between insightful and inciteful. Take a look at my -1 offtopic post. Make sure to read the parent and the kuroshin link, if you never saw that before.
I go out of my way to try to get +5 karma for exposure, personal entertainment, and to make the moderators think about posts that are often worth reading but often misleading. (Some mods, after seeing my more aggressive posts, went back and modded down old ones that had been off the front page for a couple weeks) If I succeed slashdot will be a more interesting place, but don't take everything I say at face value ^.~
I made up the cited article, it doesn't really exist. Unlike this real one from this site. And, just to show I'm a troll, since I can't prove to you guys that the editors once manually permanently banned my IP from slashdot (luckily I was posting anonymously), here's a link you shouldn't click on!
The OS X text service is based off emacs. You can use any program based off Apple's text APIs and you are essentially using emacs.
:-)
You can use textedit and your emacs key-shortcuts will work as expected. I'm pretty sure this is true of Word X too (I'm a vi guy so I haven't tried in Word).
It always shocks me when I accidentally ctrl-key something and it does unexpected things while entering text.
I'm not feeling witty so bite me
This feature might turn out to be pretty significant. Anyone with Panther have comments on how well import/export works?
Nuf Said
Ah....useful. The PPC architecture seems to be approximately twice as fast, so 800 = 1.6, but Panther might make things slightly faster than even that. 800 = 2.0? But, what is really important, how much work can you get done. My 550 TiBook easily outclasses the 2.2 PC I have sitting on my desk simply because I can trust OSX a lot more than Win2k. Your milage may vary.
Anyone who whines about being modded down should be.
yes, funny troll, exactly. See, I can kid the applies, because I were one once. Not a macinhead. Apple //e, it was even deeper.
IBM PC piece of shit.
-pyrrho
Don't just take the education discount!!!
Sign up for the Student Developer program (on a link at developer.apple.com). Costs you $99, but you get a 20% hardware discount once a year and you get OS updates in the mail. I haven't even ordered my G5 yet, but I got an email saying I'd get the 4 CD set of Panther in the mail shortly...
Even with the $99, if you're getting a G5 and a display, you save $$$ even compared to the edu discount. And you can pick up an iPod and airport with the discount and hock em on ebay if you don't want em.
I'm saving my lunch money (as a grad student working full-time) for one of those G5's + a 20" lcd...
For basic text and formatting is works fine. More complex formatted .DOC's have issues, if there are tables and charts, for instance. No real issues in opening or saving to .DOC.
It's nice in a pinch, but I wouldn't rely on it as a replacement for Word.
Click and help me get an iPod?
The DVI port on the PC version of the Radeon 8500 is DVI-D, while the Mac version is DVI-I including a VGA adapter.
With the PC version you can only drive 1 analog and 1 digital monitor. The Mac version will also let you run 2 CRT monitors using the supplied adapter. Is that worth a few extra $? It is to me -- I have 2 rather nice Sun 21" Trinitron CRT's and no immediate need to upgrade.
I think I will be upgrading to a Radeon 8500 myself, which are available on Ebay or directly from the ATI web site.
Well on FRIDAY night, the store in Burlingame had a line around the block. I wasn't sure what it was for though....guess I was out of the loop.
Yes, the DCOM bug was present in NT. But Blaster's code doesn't replicate to NT4 or 2003, only 2000 and XP. See http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w32.blaster.worm.html.
If you're going to try to make an argument, don't reference pages from www.microsoft.com/security.
Are you sure it won't work ? I think the solution is just the USB. If that is the case I'm planing on just adding a USB card to my beige and install Phanter.
I have phanter here and I'm just waiting for my new video card (Radeo 7000 64mb) so try installing it on my beige 266mhz desktop. Let's see what hapends.
BSD licensed software can't be stolen....