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Sony Develops TVs That Zoom in for True Close-ups

prakslash writes "Sony has unveiled version 2 of its 'Digital Reality Creation' technology that allows viewers to pan around a TV image and then zoom in. Unlike the current TVs that simply scale the image, Sony's technology does 'true' zooming by digitally enhancing the signal to communicate gloss, depth and texture.

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  1. Sometimes, you don't want to see the gloss. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    digitally enhancing the signal to communicate gloss, depth and texture

    Ya know, I was going to make the obvious joke, then I realized that what I'm thinking about, I actually *don't* want to zoom in on. Some things are best left to the imagination, lest you see the reality (and the bumps and blisters and pimples). Ewww.

    So, umh, this would be cool for zooming in on puppies and stuff. Yeah.

    1. Re:Sometimes, you don't want to see the gloss. by PacoTaco · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reminds me of a Slate article from a while back.

    2. Re:Sometimes, you don't want to see the gloss. by slagdogg · · Score: 1

      So, umh, this would be cool for zooming in on puppies and stuff. Yeah.

      We're not too far from it ... really!

      Find out more about this channel (it's actually quite interesting) here (NPR's This American Life).

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    3. Re:Sometimes, you don't want to see the gloss. by kgbspy · · Score: 1

      What we should be asking is why he would want to be able to zoom right in on a zebra's arse...

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    4. Re:Sometimes, you don't want to see the gloss. by blair1q · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had the same problem with an audio upgrade.

      I bought a $2k/pair set of infinity main speakers to go on my old JVC receiver, and compared with the rather high-end Polk bookshelf speakers I've been using for 10 years, they were an ear-opener.

      The clarity and tone were outstanding, as well as the dynamic range.

      But one thing bugged the hell out of me. Just because I'd changed the speakers, I could now hear all sorts of things in television programs that I could never hear before. Stuff I'm sure the sound engineers never intended. Feet shuffling in the audience. A paper crmpling in an actor's pocket when he put his hand in for no reason. Every rustle of fabric and creak of setpiece.

      It was annoying as hell.

      Fortunately, I had an out: the placement of the bass modules on these speakers pointed them at the base of my TV stand, which is an enclosed wooden box. Which became a resonator and created a huge boom at a low frequency I never bothered to measure. So there was no way I could justify keeping them.

      I kinda felt bad when I saw the look on the face of the kid at the store who'd scored the sale to me, when I returned them. He must've made about $300 commission there, and I wasn't exchanging, I was returning outright. He didn't take much care un-boxing them to inspect them. I suspect he just wanted to jump up and down on them until they were splinters and sparks.

      My little Polks (built back when Polk was making a reputation selling great quality, not selling crap to mine a reputation already made--same thing Sony did in the '80s) are kicking it fine, and I don't even go in the high-end section of the stereo store any more.

    5. Re:Sometimes, you don't want to see the gloss. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This meshes well with Sony's standing policy of building consumer devices that coarsely alter content, rather than reproducing it with original quality. For example, VCR's with grainy video, speakers with built-in bass boost, and monitors with black lines running across the middle.

      I enjoy buying Sony products, because I know I will be spending a lot of money, and getting a product outfitted with attractive gray plastic.

  2. obligatory joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool, wish I had this during the last SuperBowl!

    1. Re:obligatory joke by strike2867 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's disgusting, shes like a hundred.

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  3. your welcome by flacco · · Score: 0, Redundant

    another technological innovation brought to you by pr0n.

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  4. About a week too late! by millisa · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only this was around for a certain Australian beauty queens strut down the catwalk last week. *sigh* Pan Baby!

  5. Why? by mlk · · Score: 1

    Other than for porn?
    Which you can't get good porn on telly anyway.

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    1. Re:Why? by bairy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Because the porn jokes, as made by 10 people already and will be made by 50 more by the time I reach the bottom of the page, are really boring. Having said that, bullettime orgasms would be cool.

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  6. Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    I refuse to accept "digital zoom" as being any better than just putting a magnifying glass next to the same old low res image.

    Come on, it's trying to create data that just plain isn't coming from the original source, therefore it's nothing but guess and check logic. Sure it my smooth out what it thinks is a rough edge... but that's still only guessing and making up detail that just wasn't there.

    1. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, don't you watch any of those crime dramas? Digital zoom is the greatest thing since sliced bread. With digital zoom and special software you can enhance a single pixel into the killers face!

    2. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by fajaboard · · Score: 5, Informative
      If you are familiar with any image processing algorithms then you might find digital zooming easier to swallow. There is a lot of mathematics and statistics involved.

      In fact, it may not only smooth out but actually create rough edges not in the original. Think of the case recently where the girl was kidnapped and the FBI enhanced the kidnapper's image from the crappy surveliance tape.

      The article doesn't specify if it zooms a frozen screen (like a paused image) or during a sequence. Either way it could use past information from previous image frames to enhance the result.

      Its one of those things that you need to actually see to believe the hype.

    3. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by catwh0re · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I think the idea is that on devices which can rec'v HD signal there is alot of image lost in the down scaling process. I'm guessing here, that the sony chip would allow you to "zoom" back to the source resolution. Anything more than that and you're playing the marketing game of something out of nothing.

      Reminds me people that try to add quality to their 96kbps mp3 collection by upsampling them to 256, or recording radio then upsampling that.

    4. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With digital zoom and special software you can enhance a single pixel into the killers face!

      Oh, now I can see the bastard who killed *BSD!

    5. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I refuse to accept "digital zoom" as being any better than just putting a magnifying glass next to the same old low res image.

      Well, it is better because in the digital domain it is possible to do a lot of operations more complex than just a magnification. A lot of these operations get lumped in to the "digital zoom" name.


      Come on, it's trying to create data that just plain isn't coming from the original source, therefore

      This is somewhat true but not completely. What you're forgetting is that the human visual apparatus is part of the complete system and can't be left out. Our vision system is good at detecting certain features at certain resolutions, and not so good at others. Some image processing algorithms might just "make up stuff". This too, is not necessarily bad if it can give a pleasing effect to the eye. Especially if there is a high degree of likelihood that what it is making up is an accurate representation of what actually existed before it was lost by the original signal recording.

      Manytimes however, the enhancement consists of emphasizing certain things in the time or frequency domain that really do exist in the original signal but our vision does not detect because of the relationship to other nearby features. Image enhancement is not necessarily making things up. It is just using known facts about the human visual system to selectively bring out certain features that might be missed with our brain's stock detection circuitry.

      What is funny about a lot of "anti digital effects" people is that they think they are automatically getting better results by having say a 48-bit scanner vs a 30-bit one because there is more information, nevermind that the lower bits are completely overwhelmed by noise and shitty A-D conversion path.

      In your defense, the posting sounds very stupid and marketing influenced (redundant, I know) Calling something like this true zoom, even with the single quotes is very disingenous.

    6. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by timmi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have read about something that allows several "Noisy" Frames to be cleared up into a single clearer one. I believe it was used to read a license plate seen by an ATM camera.

      I think I read about it in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics (Not sure though)

    7. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All electronic cameras have fixed noise patterns. They vary from camera to camera usually, but with several frames and now commonly available software, you can detect the pattern, clean it up, and interpolate the data from where it was with a good deal of precision.

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    8. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by EvilCabbage · · Score: 4, Funny

      With digital zoom and special software you can enhance a single pixel into the killers face!

      I can see the "CSI" episode now...
      Ditzy cop: "Here's that footage you wanted enhanced sir, I ran it through our SomethingAwful lab guys!"
      Police Chief: "Put out an APB on this Admiral Ackbah character..."

      etc...etc...etc...

    9. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Specifically, look at http://www.sigcom.net/PDF/SIGCOMTPS.pdf, http://www.ece.gatech.edu/research/labs/MCCL/pubs/ dwnlds/YucelITVT02.pdf, or any google search for subpixel video image enhancement.

      The basic idea is to use statistical methods over a series of slightly "jittered" video frames to create a high resolution or high quality still image. When an image in front of the camera is shifted by a non integer number of pixels, the images are lined up exactly with each other so that the edges of pixels overlap each other. Taking the average of these sup-pixel overlapped images at a higher resolution yields a higher quality image than the simple mosaic or blur you would get by scaling or interpolation. If the physical shape and response function of individual camera "pixels" is known, even more accuracy can be contained. The method can probably even be applied to rotating or enlarging/shrinking images of objects as well, but with more complex mathematical models for the motion and camera viewing transformation

      A generic system as described in the article probably uses the frequency information about the image to construct the textures, but it wouldn't be difficult (but processor intensive) to track translational sub-pixel movement of objects and apply the above process to increase the resolution. MPEG already takes advantage of the fact that more compression for fast changes in an image are unlikely to be noticed, so it wouldn't have to improve the moving parts, just the 8x8 blocks that have B frames, since they are relatively unchanging. I bet they will even get a patent on the process, despite the fact that it's been published and I can think up most of the rest within a few minutes...

    10. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not entirely, Last week i found a Gimp plugin, which ENHANCES unfocused pictures reallly well. Haven't tried it on my own pictures but the examples are promising... http://refocus-it.sourceforge.net/

    11. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by d474 · · Score: 1

      Cool, so now I can solve crimes with my HDTV!

      Everyone come over to my house and we can zoom in on the bullets to see which direction they really came from during the JFK/Zapruder films.

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    12. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by EvilIdler · · Score: 0

      But with only a source containing clean skin, it wouldn't make up
      anything but clean skin, would it?

    13. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      One time I saw them blur the heck out of an image, explicitly as the middle part of pulling a detailed image out of 40-some pixels.

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    14. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 1

      Come on, it's trying to create data that just plain isn't coming from the original source, therefore it's nothing but guess and check logic.

      This would be true -- if we were talking about images of purely random white noise. However, most pictures of the real world aren't completely random, because real objects are relatively smooth and continuous. Just like any kind of interpolation, we can improve on chance by making reasonable assumptions about the underlying structure of what we're sampling.

      If you want to think about it information theoretically, a lost bit of image doesn't necessarily imply a lost bit of information, because visual images contain quite a bit of redundancy.

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    15. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Well it's actually 3D digital zoom. Not only can you see the faces closer, but most movies allow a complete 360 degree head rotation. Not to mention every police station database has all the criminal's info like full names and addresses. Yet they can never arrest them.

    16. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Your premise is correct, but your conclusion is wrong.

      No one can create information that does not exist. However, a television screen cannot display all of the information contained in the signal and even if it could, you would not perceive it all anyway.

      For example, small variations in contrast can be amplified, false color can make clear what the mind would miss, sharpening (even over-sharpening) can show you detail that your (and everyone else's) pathetic visual perception can not possibly see otherwise.

      Your notion that the resulting image being displayed has lost information in being processed is valid, but the processed image can most certainly show you more information (perceptually) than the original image conveyed (this happens with absolutely every artificially transmitted image you have ever seen), and even in the cases where the total amount of information the image conveys is diminished, it's possible to show information that was not apparent in the original image.

    17. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by yanko22 · · Score: 1

      True, digital zoom can not figure information out of the blue. My guess is though, they're enhancing *analog* signal, not HDTV or whatever digital standart you might be thinking about. Plain old analog TV is still quite popular outside the US. The real gimmick might be the word Digital they're using in the product name.

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    18. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by bairy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Digital zoom is the greatest thing since sliced bread D'you know what I've never understood? What's so great about sliced bread? People always say stuff like 'She thinks she's the greatest thing since sliced bread...' You can't seriously tell me that when sliced bread first came out, everyone gasped, stopped what they were doing and exclaimed "Bread you don't have to slice for yourself?! This'll save so much time, minutes even!!"

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    19. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by TiggsPanther · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      But some of us are a bit pants at cutting things straight. So being able to grab a nice even slice straight from the packet to stick into the toaster is quite useful - especially when you hate having to spand too much time at all on food prep.

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    20. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Devar · · Score: 1

      Reminds me people that try to add quality to their 96kbps mp3 collection by upsampling them to 256, or recording radio then upsampling that.

      And the name for such people is legally retarded.

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    21. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      The first PDF is a salesy thing about stabilization and low-light enhancement by some government contractor for security videos.

      The second one looks real, and very good. They even talk about interpolating using the MPEG DCT information, rather than just decompressing the frames then applying standard algorithms. But when you look at the screen shots, it is very very unimpressive. Frankly, I can't see a pixel of difference between their super-resolution version and the original frame. There's no way a consumer would pay for this. Further, it won't work on 90% of video frames. Maybe just on mostly still images of text like a close-up of a document or something.

      Blech, move along.

    22. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, yes... people did think it was great. Have you ever tried to slice a fresh loaf of bread?

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    23. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by awkScooby · · Score: 1
      The point which seems to be missed in most of the replies I've read so far is that this is a feature for widescreen TVs, which have an aspect ratio of 19:6. Standard NTSC is a 4:3 ratio. When you view NTSC on a widescreen TV, you have black bars on the sides of the picture.

      Most widescreen TVs provide several options for making a 4:3 image fill up a 16:9 screen (i.e. getting rid of the black bars). You can stretch (distort) the picture, or you can zoom in and crop some of the picture. What Sony has done is allow you to control which part of the 4:3 image is going to be cropped.

    24. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by slackerboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever tried to slice a fresh loaf of bread?

      This morning. Cut a couple of slices for my sandwich and one for toast. No big deal. Took me less than a minute for all three slices. (It helps if you've got a good bread knife.)

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    25. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Actually, yes... people did think it was great. Have you ever tried to slice a fresh loaf of bread?

      Yes. And the bread stays fresh longer for not being pre-sliced. Plus you can choose if you want a thin or fat slice. If you were making a dozen sandwiches, sliced would be a better choice though.

    26. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by danila · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And you can choose how you want to slice it - you can make smaller straight pieces or longer slanted pieces. But this is somewhat different for different types of bread. For example, very light white bread for toasts is difficult to cut, because it compresses so well. :) Though in the year 2004 there is no excuse not to have a decent sharp knife.

      If you just want to make a sandwich from other types of bread, there is almost no advantage to having it sliced.

      Also, I have never seen sliced bread that was really fresh - like it was just several hours from the bakery at most, usually the quality is quite ordinary.

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    27. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by strictfoo · · Score: 1

      And then there's that Will Smith movie where they take the image, and then rotate to the POV to look at a part of an image that wasn't originally captured by the camera

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    28. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by BlueTooth · · Score: 1

      Obligatory ST ref:
      "Enhance...enhance...enhance...enhance"

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    29. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by BlueTooth · · Score: 1

      Your Brain Does This

      The eye has only about about 7 million cones (the detail receptors in the eye) ... since each cone only sees one color, that yields 233k "pixels" (ok ok, i know the cones aren't split evenly amoung RG and B) ... or an image of about 1500 x 1500 pixels.

      The reason we perceive a higher resolution than that has to do with the rate at which our brain samples these photoreceptors compared to the frame rate at which we see... i.e. the frame rate of the human eye might be somewhere in the 30-60 FPS range, but our brain gets info from our eye (or at least some receptors in our) more often than that. Read about sub-pixel interpolation in the other posts in this thread.

      Also, check out this site:
      http://webvision.med.utah.edu/temporal.html

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    30. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Mateito · · Score: 1
      Have you ever tried to slice a fresh loaf of bread?

      Yes. Do it all the time. And all you need is a decent quality bread knife. (Same for people who complain about slicing tomatos. Um.. get a tomato knife. Different foods have different physical properties. I have a set of only 7 knives that between them do everything I need. Most fun is the bone shattering 9" cleaver, that usually only comes out when my fiancee has turned the freezer up again and the ice-cream is too hard.. but man.. serving ice-cream has never been this fun).

      Sliced bread sux because its usually like 3/8" thick. Even "thick sliced bread" is on 7/16".

      When you slice it yourself, you can get the full inch that God intended.

    31. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by bigox · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. I specialize in image processing. You cannot retrieve data that isn't there to start with. For a scene that is relatively static, you can average over several frames and get good results, but no magic.

    32. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

      You like your women with one D cup?

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    33. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by SkyWalk423 · · Score: 1
      Mod points now PLEASE! I just sprayed coffee all over my Master Chief action figure!

      That was hilarious.

    34. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Jepler · · Score: 1

      Software called "ALE" has an implementation of this general idea. ALE is GPL software.

      ALE homepage

    35. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Khaotix · · Score: 1

      Refresh my memory on that one? I kind of remember ...

    36. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Not as funny as the fact that you A> have a master chief action figure and B> are willing to admit it.

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    37. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by freqres · · Score: 1

      That saying needs to be discontinued. The new benchmark is the Segway. From now on everyone should be saying something is the greatest invention since the Segway.

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    38. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Baseclass · · Score: 1
      Why is it that the surveillance video from bank robberies and jewelry store heists is always of such poor quality?
      It's always fuzzy, black and white, jittery video.

      Video technology at the consumer level is inexpensive and high quality.
      You'd think a bank of all places would drop a few grand on halfway decent video equipment.

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    39. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by objekt · · Score: 1

      Been that way since an episode of Columbo back in the '70s. "Can you zoom in on this section of the picture?" "Sure, lieutnant!"

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    40. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Took me less than a minute for all three slices.

      If it takes you almost 20 seconds to cut a slice of bread, you probably need to buy sliced bread.

    41. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you slice it yourself, you can get the full inch that God intended.

      I give my girlfriend the full inch God intended every night. Fortunately for me, she's only 3'5".

    42. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you get some *real* bread and not industrial crap, you can cut it with pretty much any cutting knife fairly easily (provided the knife isn't too short).

      With yucky processed bread à la wonderbread, your mileage may vary.

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    43. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by pdp0x14 · · Score: 1
      This is simply mistaken. Indeed any zooming method has to invent pixels, but some pixels are just better than others. Besides, your psychovisual apparatus can be pleasantly fooled. Just zoom a small avi to full screen and slowly move backwards from the monitor. The artifacts become increasingly acceptable and it can be more pleasant to watch that way.

      Additionally, compare today's LCD monitors to those of a few years ago that didn't use, say, Genesis chips, but used funky scaling methods to match resolutions with the raster. Zooming method does matter.

      Also, I don't know what "guess and check logic" is. I think you made it up to sound clued-in.

    44. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Several interesting projects in that area exist among which the CImg library (found here) which has some interesting demos. A similar (but different) lib is being included in the Gimp. I think both will likely end up in it eventually.

      So yes, you can add stuff that wasn't there to begin with by interpolating with what's already there. You may not always get what you expect though (and it still isn't as good as the version featured in MovieOS(TM)).

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    45. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      Belay that!

      That saying is inherently illogical, since the Segway is the benchmark of gayness [*] , not GREATNESS.

      [*]That is, embarrasingly lame, not cheerful. Accept it gayboys, it's like [h|cr]acker now...

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    46. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I refuse to accept "digital zoom" as being any better than just putting a magnifying glass next to the same old low res image.

      Nope. With a magnifying glass you'll see the individual colour phospher elements of the CRT or lcd.

      I have not read the article, but it sounds like Sony's come up with a "better" resampling algorithm than current technology.

      Sure it my smooth out what it thinks is a rough edge... but that's still only guessing and making up detail that just wasn't there.

      So does any TV for that matter. It gets a signal and from that signal it generates a varying pattern of light across the screen. But most of the time you're far enough away that the TV doesn't have to do that good a job. So yes, it is still "only guessing and making up detail that just wasn't there", so does any other zoom algorithm. But some make better guesses than others.

    47. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Eccles · · Score: 1

      You cannot retrieve data that isn't there to start with.

      True, but what you can do is re-interpret that data in such a way that it is easier for the human eye to pick out the patterns. Take a noisy image of some text, then run a blurring and a sharpening filter on it. You'll often find it a lot easier to read than the original. Likewise, scaled-up images "look" better if you do that same operation to them.

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    48. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      I would point out that my brain runs on analog technology, not digital... :)

    49. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by bigox · · Score: 1

      That sort of filtering is fine in the frequency domain. But, what if there is very little spatial data, as in this case. Of course image enhancement is possible. Otherwise, I'd be out of a job. But, the magic you see on TV is purely fantasy. Zooming in on a 5x5 pixel window in the image usually won't tell you anything no matter how much enhancement you do.

    50. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      "Guess and check" is a term you should have learned in algebra class, or maybe while reading about the SAT test.

      Instead of doing all the work to actually solve a problem, it's sometimes easier to assume a solution and plug it into the unknown variable's slot, and see if that leads to a contradiction or not. If there's no contradiction, then your assumed solution is most likely correct and you can run with it.

      All digital zooms are based on this. There's no way for certain that they can make up pixels that they didn't get as input correctly, so they're always guessing.

    51. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by BlueTooth · · Score: 1

      Dude, you're so stuck in the 1900s ... it's the digital revolution man!

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    52. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Another use for the same application is cell phone cameras. Instead of one 0.1 second exposure, take 10 pictures with 0.01 second exposure and stack them, both reducing blur (that would occur with the one long exposure) and increasing resolution (which is possible because the 10 pictures are ever so slightly differently aimed).

      Take my word for it, you'll see this implemented and used in lab conditions in maybe 5 years and in consumer cell phones in 10 years.

    53. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been that way since an episode of Columbo back in the '70s. "Can you zoom in on this section of the picture?" "Sure, lieutnant!"

      Except that photographs are (somewhat) analogue, at least until you get down to the individual grains within the film.

    54. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Dude, don't you watch any of those crime dramas? Digital zoom is the greatest thing since sliced bread. With digital zoom and special software you can enhance a single pixel into the killers face!

      Law and Order is usually pretty good about not doing this or using technology for tech's sake. However, Crossing Jordan sometimes comes across as a tech ad, and there have been *numerous* occasions in the past season where they use some magic fairy dust to make tech do things.

      But nothing beats the digital zoom magic that the Las Vegas show has. They're off in some fantasy world where the cameras are omniscient and you can change what the camera was looking at when you playback the tape *later on*.

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    55. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by pdp0x14 · · Score: 1
      Why are you making stuff up? Or are you learning about image processing from Cliff Claven at Cheers?

      Take a look at the background section of US Patent 6771837 for some actual facts. Here is a non-mathematical excerpt if you find math tiresome:

      "Image rescaling or image resizing is a frequently required function in digital image processing systems. This function utilizes digital filtering of input picture elements (pixels) to generate output pixels. Because the eye is sensitive to changes in signal phase, the most commonly used filters in image rescaling are linear phase Finite Impulse Response (FIR) filters. The rescaling process is achieved by varying the input signal sampling rate. More specifically, the sampling rate is increased in order to enlarge an image, or decreased in order to shrink an image."

      Your apparent certainty is touching, but combining it with correctness would be more impressive.

    56. Re:Digital Zoom is a MYTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or Blade Runner

  7. OK by pHatidic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow and I thought FCC regulations were the only thing to come out of Janet Jackson's boobies. It goes to show that pornography still provides the incentive for innovation for all major developing technologies. It's actually a little known fact that the people offering the incentives for new space elevator technology are only doing so in hopes of losing their virginity in it one day.

    1. Re:OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's actually a little known fact that the people offering the incentives for new space elevator technology are only doing so in hopes of losing their virginity in it one day.

      I'd mod that Flamebait... But it's just so.. damn.. Funny!

      Who knows, are the girls easier on the moon?

    2. Re:OK by Pfhorrest · · Score: 0

      "Who knows, are the girls easier on the moon?"

      No idea, but there's certain to be fewer heavy chicks around!

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    3. Re:OK by c0p0n · · Score: 1

      ...people offering the incentives for new space elevator technology are only doing so in hopes of losing their virginity in it one day...

      Man, you can do incredible things on zero gravity...

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    4. Re:OK by thebudgie · · Score: 0

      "Heavy" and "Fat" are two completely different things when applied to the moon...

    5. Re:OK by eduo · · Score: 1

      Actually no. Heavy is a different thing, fat isn't. Fat as an adjective is a visual connotation, heavy isn't.

      You could be fat and not be heavy, you probably couldn't be fat and light, tho'

      Eduo

  8. PVR by luugi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Should be cool but a DVR is a must to take advantage of this feature.

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    1. Re:PVR by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet all DVRs on the market currently use MPEG compression to put more data on the HD at the expense of video quality... so, they're not even storing all the video in that came from the original TV station feed to begin with. I'm not quite sure what Sony's magic tech will do when asked to zoom in on an MPEG artifact...

    2. Re:PVR by photonagon · · Score: 1

      That is a good point, especially with digital cable and satellite being broadcast in MPEG2. I'm not sure if I want to see digital zoom on that.

    3. Re:PVR by julesh · · Score: 1

      That is a good point, especially with digital cable and satellite being broadcast in MPEG2. I'm not sure if I want to see digital zoom on that.

      Perhaps you'd better not try it on DVDs either, 'cause they use MPEG2 as well.

      Digital video broadcasts typically use quite high bit rates, and don't have many noticeable compression artifacts, at least not of the "sharp edge around a block" kind that would probably cause a problem for this system.

    4. Re:PVR by photonagon · · Score: 1

      I watch Dish Network on a 52" HD Mitsubishi Diamond and DO notice artifacts daily, especially on shots of water: ocean, rivers, etc.

      I cannot usually find artifacts in a properly mastered DVD9.

  9. 'True Zoom' by RobPiano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    True zoom is a bit of a stretch.. The only way you could have a true zoom is if you have a higher resolution digital image to look at, or an analog image... This produce creates sophisticated, but generated results. There is nothing true about it.

    Regardless, this is one of those features that "sounds nice", but I think its the company telling the consumer what to want rather than vice versa. Never once have I wanted to zoom in on a modern or high def television image.

    1. Re:'True Zoom' by josh3736 · · Score: 1
      Never once have I wanted to zoom in on a modern or high def television image.

      Well, except for last year's Super Bowl halftime show...

    2. Re:'True Zoom' by captnitro · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're right; the image in the article should be captioned "scientist demonstrates zooming by enhancing zebra ass, finds fleas". Astounding! Quick, somebody get me $1000, I need a Sony HDTV or my perception of the world will crumble.

    3. Re:'True Zoom' by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1
      A poster above pointed out that it could concievably use information from multiple frames to enhance the picture. Consolidating information from multiple frames into one with sophisticated matching algorithms could concievably result in an output image with more real detail than any single image from the input set, but it would only work in cases where roughly the same picture is in many frames (which is true most of the time for most video, but not always). Plus to do it right would require more processing power than I think is likely to be in Sony's product, although I could be wrong. Another way it could work is by exploiting statistical properties of images to produce a scaled image that is more likely to be correct than a simple trilinear filtered image, though if the statistical assumptions turn out to be wrong it would produce a worse image. I suspect this is what Sony's doing.

      Our eyes already do much of this processing for us when images are shown normally, so Sony's efforts are unlikely to produce results better than normal TV, and they certainly won't add any true detail that couldn't be seen watching TV normally. So calling it "true zoom" is really incorrect, even if they do use one of the above methods.

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  10. Grassy knoll, anyone? by Steve+G+Swine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Glad we'll finally be able to clear that Kennedy thing up.

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    1. Re:Grassy knoll, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Forget Kennedy. How about something really important, like zooming in on the bigfoot film!

    2. Re:Grassy knoll, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plus, we'll finally be able to tell if she was wearing any nickers in Basic Instinct, without wearing out that section of the tape.

    3. Re:Grassy knoll, anyone? by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yes, I'm here, can I help anyone?

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    4. Re:Grassy knoll, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, get the ice-pick DVD. In any case, Sharon Stone's always said she wasn't wearing any, and 'didn't know' the camera would pan like that.

    5. Re:Grassy knoll, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget it. Just search for 'Zapruder' in any P2P app, then watch the chauffeur during the footage.

  11. digital zoom vs real zoom by randomized · · Score: 5, Informative

    real zoom requires additional information, ie higher resolution than tv is capable of displaying. all attempts at "simulation" of higher resolution will result in digital zoom artifacts, that we all are familiar with.

    unless tv has lower resolution than broadcast quality this is as fake as 200X DIGITAL ZOOM.

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    1. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by Stubtify · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'd have to agree here. But then again the tv might sell. People are suckers for numbers, thats why last years 330x Digital Zoom camcorders now say 990x.

      At 990x you're looking at less than one pixel, but a salesman last month was toating it as "the best zoom you can get."

    2. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2, Informative

      unless tv has lower resolution than broadcast quality

      All consumer TV's have lower resolution than broadcast quality. If you buy a really expensive NTSC TV, it might be able to resolve 600 lines. The NTSC signal is comprised of 720 lines.

      In HD, it's even more drastic. A really expensive HD set might resolve 800 lines of a 1,920-line picture.

      A broadcast monitor that can resolve 1,000 lines costs $40,000.

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    3. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by arekusu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      A 23" LCD that can resolve 1920x1200 costs $2000.

    4. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by damiangerous · · Score: 4, Informative
      All consumer TV's have lower resolution than broadcast quality. If you buy a really expensive NTSC TV, it might be able to resolve 600 lines. The NTSC signal is comprised of 720 lines.

      Where did you ever get that idea? If that were true broadcast TVs and DVD would look exactly the same. I mean if broadcast TV is already better than a TV could support, how could DVDs possibly improve the picture? I would think anyone who has ever watched a DVD on their television has already empirically proved your statement incorrect.

      In fact, broadcast TV is a far lower resolution than your TV can support (525 scanlines, of which 480 is picutre information, of which 330 is the theoretical max that will be displayed). Rather than try to explain it myself, some very good technical explanations of how it all works can be found here and here.

    5. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by WiseWeasel · · Score: 1

      It's a little thing called interlacing. Broadcast video is always interlaced, which is far inferior to progressive content, as found on DVDs. Also, the shape of the pixels on DVDs can be 16x9 instead of 4x3, which allows for widescreen content at DVD resolutions, without wasting bandwidth on the black bars. When you master DVDs, you always have to be careful to stay within the Title-safe area when making menus (losing about 10-20% of the picture on all sides), as the space outside of that (even though it's within the 720x480 resolution) will get chopped off by most TV sets. Computers, on the other hand, will display the entire picture.

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    6. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by Darkfred · · Score: 1

      Where did you ever get that idea? If that were true broadcast TVs and DVD would look exactly the same. I mean if broadcast TV is already better than a TV could support, how could DVDs possibly improve the picture? I would think anyone who has ever watched a DVD on their television has already empirically proved your statement incorrect.

      What are you smoking, DVDs don't come close to broadcast signal quality, which is still the stardard television displays are built too. DVDs were created to do away with VCRs not broadcast television.
      Plus your TV has a limited number of phospors on each line. But the signal from the Television camera is not phosphor limited so it is a pure analog horizontal slice, only limited in information by the broadcast frequency. Many devices such as picture capture cables make use of this extra undisplayable information to create higher res (horizontally) images.
      And we know that using statistical methods, if we can create a higher res horizontal image we can also increase the res of the vertical. (with higher error but good quality)

      Some other people have posted that digital signals and DVDs could not be enhanced this way, and that is true to some extent. But if you have access to the frequency and quantization tables from the compressed signal you can do a much better job scaling and articfact removing.

      In fact, broadcast TV is a far lower resolution than your TV can support (525 scanlines, of which 480 is picutre information, of which 330 is the theoretical max that will be displayed). Rather than try to explain it myself, some very good technical explanations of how it all works can be found here and here.

      what exactly is your point? There is no such thing as broadcast resoluction verses tv resolution. They both have the same number of vertical lines! The difference is the ammount of information your TV can display horizontally, which could technically only be limited by the frequency of the broadcast. (and interference when mixing all colors into one signal)

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    7. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by jandrese · · Score: 1

      You really don't know what you're talking about do you. "The shape of the pixels"? I'm imagining a TV with little horizontal lines for each pixel from your description. :)

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    8. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by DevNova · · Score: 1

      That 720 lines of resolution is not all picture infomation. Some of those lines are used for closed captioning information, some is used for blanking information.

    9. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 1

      You're confusing horizontal and vertical lines. In TV jargon a line is a horizontal pixel. Counting from left to right, there are 720 lines in a TV picture. Some are lost to overscan, but all contain picture data.

      Scan lines are different. Counting from the top of the picture to the bottom, there are 486 scan lines, some of which contain vertical blanking, CC, VITC and so on.

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    10. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      " real zoom requires additional information,"

      Maybe Sony is using Fogal transistors on the input circuit. That wey they can access the complete scene information enfoldedalated in the noisy signal. Or sumthin'.

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    11. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by WiseWeasel · · Score: 1

      16x9 and 4x3 refer to the shape of the pixels, not the aspect ratio. Look it up before you go make a fool of yourself. Of course the actual physical pixels on your TV set don't change, but the pixels in the image it displays do.

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    12. Re:digital zoom vs real zoom by josh3736 · · Score: 1
      What are you smoking, DVDs don't come close to broadcast signal quality, which is still the stardard television displays are built too. DVDs were created to do away with VCRs not broadcast television. Plus your TV has a limited number of phospors on each line. But the signal from the Television camera is not phosphor limited so it is a pure analog horizontal slice, only limited in information by the broadcast frequency. Many devices such as picture capture cables make use of this extra undisplayable information to create higher res (horizontally) images.

      -1, Wrong.

      Broadcast will have a width of no more than 720 pixels or so. It will have no more than around 530 pixels of height, depending on who you ask. Period. And what the hell are you talking about with phosphors? Your TV can have thousands of phosphors on a line, but it won't make a shit of difference. The information just isn't there in the signal. For the ten millionth time: you can't create quality (more pixels) from nothing! Gah. DVDs are just an MPEG-2 stream. Encode it to any pixel resolution you'd like.

      DVDs nowhere near ANALOG BROADCAST quality?!? I'm laughing my ass off as I write this!

  12. can you imagine... by BigDave81 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The implications this will have on pr0n. The $ shot baby!!!

    1. Re:can you imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > can you imagine the implications this will have on pr0n.

      Yeah, because that's one of my biggest complaints about pr0n today-- they just don't zoom in far enough. [roll eyes]

  13. yay, more hype by SpookyFish · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Come on. "true zoom" requires data that simply isn't there in a TV signal.

    Sure, an HD signal can be zoomed and interpolated to some extent, but call it "creation" or not, there is only so much info that can be "guessed".

    1. Re:yay, more hype by tepples · · Score: 1

      True, but the entire point of this article is that if this "guess" creates a more pleasing picture than the typical band-limited interpolation, it'll sell.

  14. Porn Jokes Aside by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is kind of a cool feature, for various reasons. I think some of the most obvious uses that come to mind (besides naughty zoom-ins,) include sports events (hey, that WAS on the line,) and anything where you might be trying to get a particular detail out of a scene. (Such as, in "The Fellowship of the Ring," there's a truck driving around in background during one scene.)

    And before it gets said, I know that has been removed. Its just an example.

    1. Re:Porn Jokes Aside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, actually, this was significant because it WASN'T removed before it hit theatres. I saw it myself when I went to go see it at the IMAX. However, they have since removed it.

  15. like in the movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony must have taken the technology from the movies/cop shows where they get grany black and white vision from a crappy camera and can suddnely sit in front of a magic computer and zoom in to see the color of the cotton of criminals top shirt button?

    1. Re:like in the movies by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      Is Sony in partnership with Jerry Bruckheimer and his crappy CSI show?

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    2. Re:like in the movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Is Sony in partnership with Jerry Bruckheimer and his crappy CSI show?


      CSI sucks.

      Sorry, I am replying to this just to add that.
      It seems like like-minded individuals are way too far between.

      Jerry Bruckheimer sucks too. All his movies and shows are EXACTLY the fucking same. He is like the Ace of Base of the small and large screen.

    3. Re:like in the movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean that "most watched television show" CSI? Yeah, it must suck. And Jerry Bruckheimer's movies and shows being exactly the same? Hey, if I could make that much money regurgitating the same material over and over, I would too, and I'd imagine you would as well.

  16. Pan? Gloss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    This truly is the best of all possible worlds.

  17. marketing hype by updog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please, there's only so much you can do with "digital enhancement". If you don't have the bits of resolution in the first place, I don't care what technology you are using, you're not going to create something from nothing.

    1. Re:marketing hype by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      True, but it may be possible to be "not too bad". Witness the current crop of cameras (still and video). The digital zoom, while visibly not as good as the optical zoom...it can be 'not too bad'.

  18. Oh, come on! by djkoolaide · · Score: 0

    Where was this when Janet's nip-slip happened? :P

    1. Re:Oh, come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably in QA.. :P

  19. Next feature by Izanagi · · Score: 1

    Thats nice and all, but I'll holdout for built in photochopping tools.

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  20. still lossy? by 1337+Twinkie · · Score: 1

    "Digitally enhancing"- hmm... that seems like it would still degrade the picture quality somewhat. Whenever you extrapolate image data it should reduce the acuracy of the image.

  21. 4 year old dvd player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    my 4 year old dvd player has 16x zoom. big deal. used it once.

  22. official press release by phreakv6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    for those of u wondering which one of Sony's model would come out with this technology.. its SONY WEGA series.. check out the official press release

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  23. Just another algorithm..... by HonkyLips · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's already at least 12 algorithms around for scaling up an image:

    http://www.digitalanarchy.com/toolbox/toolbox_re si zer.html

    I'm guessing that Sony have simply come up with another one. Regardless of what they claim, you can't "zoom in" on an image with a fixed resolution, you're always going to be using some type of interpolation and this will introduce digital artefacts.

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    1. Re:Just another algorithm..... by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, but with video, you have a hell of a lot more information. If they are doing any kind of statistical relationships using more than one frame of the video, they have a LOT more information to work with. A few comparative algorithms, and as things move through lower resolution areas, you can actually get a high resolution picture because of the data that is contained in aggregate.
      That's a hell of a processor they have if it can do that, though.

  24. Interpolation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just regular digital zoom via interpolation. You can't just "zoom" in on something if there is no more data to zoom into! It would only be possible if the current picture was merely part of a higher resolution picture, hence more data to see.

  25. Good existing zoom implementations by Clown+Jizz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Though it's easy enough to decry digital zoom as a gimmick, and in most cases it probably is, there are some (admittedly, highly specialized) implementations that produce really great results. Look at HQ4x ( http://www.hiend3d.com/hq4x.html )and its associated projects. It's primarily for images which don't breach 256 colors, of course, and it works best on simple shapes, but it's realtime, and it looks fantastic.

    1. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by grammar+fascist · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I figured I'd post my own results here.

      It's true that digital zoom can't replace information that was lost due to scaling and sampling. It's possible to get something reasonably close, though. There are a bunch of algorithms available for photographs, but their biggest problem seems to be execution time. It's not pretty.

      Here's mine. Please be kind to the server...

      I've gotten better-looking results since I put that together but I haven't had time to put them up yet. The slowest part of my algorithm requires solving a nonlinear system of nine equations for the least sum squared error per pixel. That's orders of magnitude slower than bicubic interpolation (which is standard).

      I don't know which interpolation algorithms are used for so-called digital zoom. Is there someone in the industry here that knows?

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    2. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by syukton · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought I'd seen this technique before, and upon reading to the end of the page I was reminded where: zsnes. Video game emulation. Of course, when you're stretching a 320x288 image to 1024x768 on a 15" or larger screen, you need as much enhancement as you can get. Anyone who hasn't seen this in action should check it out, it is pretty damn cool.

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    3. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

      After looking at that site, all I can say is WOW. I've been playing F-Zero in SNES9X with Open GL for so long but after seeing that I will be switching to ZSNES. Amazing.

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    4. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

      Nice results. Is there any change of seeing a OSS version of your algorithm in the near future. I could easily see this becoming part of image magick or a gimp plugin. Maybe even mencoder for non realtime scaling.

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    5. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1

      Sure! I've considered it for the name recognition value. :) I'd want to get permission from my graduate advisor, of course. If there's a problem, it would be the possibility of patenting it and selling it. If that happened, I'd definitely fight for making it royalty-free for free software use or something...

      I've still got to speed it up considerably before it'll be good for that, though. I believe I can at least get it faster than most of the other stuff that's out there.

      /me goes back to slaving over hot second-order derivatives

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    6. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Snes9X has all the same interpolation modes as zsnes, kreed's, super eagle, whatever.

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    7. Re:Good existing zoom implementations by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Could you do something like free the algorythm, but sell a derived photoshop or psp addin which uses it?
      Or you could produce a free addin for the Gimp, and sell the others? (I havent used Gimp, so don't know if its modular)

      That would appeal to your Open Source ethos, and also help feed you.

      I doubt it could ever pay all the bills, but like most things, its not the amount of money, its the fact people are willing to pay. :)

      Good luck with it, your results looks neat so far!

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  26. lemme guess by jjeffries · · Score: 3, Funny

    It operates via voice commands and goes CLICK-CLICK-CLICK when it's zooming?

  27. Assuming this is more than just hype by calculadoru · · Score: 1

    Stop thinking of pr0n for a second, as difficult as that may be for some, and try to think of another good use for this: sports. A particularly tricky off-side situation in a football match (alright, soccer...) or tennis or whatever. Then again, what am I saying - this is cool simply because it exists.

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    1. Re:Assuming this is more than just hype by Clark_Griswold · · Score: 1

      The only _real_ sport this would be good for is Foxy Boxing!

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  28. Re: proper link by HonkyLips · · Score: 1

    oops, stupid space bar. Correct link is: http://www.digitalanarchy.com/toolbox/toolbox_resi zer.html

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  29. Uh-oh by d2_m_viant · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmmm, I'll have to try that one with my girlfriend when she catches me watching the pr0n...

    ...but honey! They just digitally enhanced the signal to communicate gloss, depth and texture...i'm just evaluating this in the name of technology! Honest!

  30. I can see the ads now... by Fex303 · · Score: 5, Funny
    The new Sony's will feature magic Hand-Wavey Technology(TM) to suck information that wasn't in the orginal signal into your TV from outer space.

    It's not zoom, it's digital enhancement. Which is what zoom is. But this is different. Yeah, right.

    More marketing BS.

    1. Re:I can see the ads now... by droleary · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The new Sony's will feature magic Hand-Wavey Technology(TM) to suck information that wasn't in the orginal signal into your TV from outer space.

      Must be from the same R&D lab that brought us their new Walkman that somehow stores 13,000 songs on a 20GB drive when an iPod can only fit 5,000 on the same. Seriously, Sony is working their way into a real credibility problem when it comes to marketing their technology.

    2. Re:I can see the ads now... by noidentity · · Score: 1

      It's not zoom, it's digital enhancement.

      It's just like audio "enhancement". Either the amplifier/TV shows the picture as it was recorded, or it distorts it. Some people like distortion, just as some people like all their foods to have sugar added.

    3. Re:I can see the ads now... by Mordaximus · · Score: 1

      Must be from the same R&D lab that brought us their new Walkman that somehow stores 13,000 songs on a 20GB drive when an iPod can only fit 5,000 on the same.

      Claiming that the iPod can fit 5,000 songs is 20GB is equally misleading. The 20GB iPod can store rougly 20GB of data. Depending on how much compression you use, you can get much more, or much less than 5,000 files on an iPod.

      ATRAC LP4 can probably fit around 13,000 songs in that much space. Sounds like crap but it will fit. Likewise, I could only get ~2500 or less songs on a 20GB iPod with the level of compression I use.

    4. Re:I can see the ads now... by soulsteal · · Score: 1

      The Sony probably uses ATRAC compression. Compared to AAC and MP3, you can compress audio significantly better with less perceived loss.

    5. Re:I can see the ads now... by dynamo · · Score: 1

      BS, dude. Try a Mini-Disc player sometime. I've owned 3, and ATRAC compression is part of the Mini-Disc spec (which is proprietary and also coincidentally the reason they never caught on). At the same bitrate, MP3 kicks ATRAC's ass.

    6. Re:I can see the ads now... by droleary · · Score: 1

      Claiming that the iPod can fit 5,000 songs is 20GB is equally misleading. The 20GB iPod can store rougly 20GB of data. Depending on how much compression you use, you can get much more, or much less than 5,000 files on an iPod.

      True, but Apple's numbers are at least in line with the reality of what their store sells and how most people rip their own music. Any modern encoding has pretty good sound at 1MB/minute, meaning 5000 on-average 4 minute songs can be put on a 20GB iPod. That's realistically in-line with how people use a portable music player, unlike Sony's totally insane claim.

  31. Only one use by nickgrieve · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can only think of one genre of movies that this would be used for...

    1. Re:Only one use by noidentity · · Score: 1

      I can only think of one genre of movies that this would be used for...

      Come on, It'll allow me to use my PXL2000 and get quality that rivals DVD! And they said cassettes were dead.

  32. Like Blade Runner by jorgef · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember Deckard's Sony photo machine?
    It's like that?

    1. Re:Like Blade Runner by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      My first thought, too. But I very much doubt it's voice-controlled. (Oh well, I guess they gotta leave some room for version 3.)

    2. Re:Like Blade Runner by cabazorro · · Score: 1

      Only if you are holding a funny-looking bottle of Johnny Walker. No seriously, digital enhancement technology IMHO sounds more like reverse-engineering where math-algorithms are applied to digital images but ultimately human eyes do the assesment of weather or not the enhancement works. Zooming in the original terms is controlling the light(image) through optical technologies(lens). When you zoom with a good ol 35m reflex camera the image coming to you is the real-deal, weather your human-eye agree or not. I hope this shed some "light" on Sony mumbo-jumbo.

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  33. Explanation of technology by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unlike the current TVs that simply scale the image, Sony's technology does 'true' zooming by digitally enhancing the signal to communicate gloss, depth and texture.

    READ: Zooms image and antialiases the hell out of it. Same effect as crossing your eyes and sticking your nose to the screen, but now available from the remote control!

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  34. I've always hated... by zarthrag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Sci-fi's that use arbitrary plot fixes on photos that lack the resolution they need by using a computer to "zoom in and enhance" the image. Sometimes it's so ridiculous that I wanna belch. The only way this could truely be accurate is if the TV signal carries more data (for example, zooming on a 1080i HD signal). But HD has yet to approach critical mass...ugh.

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    1. Re:I've always hated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I've always hated Sci-fi's that use arbitrary plot fixes on photos that lack the resolution they need by using a computer to "zoom in and enhance" the image."

      Yeah, that Blade Runner movie really sucked.

    2. Re:I've always hated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fiction makes you belch? Are you seriously saying that when you read/see/hear about something that is not currently possible you expell stomach gasses from your mouth?

      You need help.

  35. Re:200X digital zoom by Bastian · · Score: 1, Funny

    That pixel! I want to look at THAT PIXEL!

  36. And you can read license plates too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    When you zoom in, I wonder if it makes that cool DIT-DIT-DI-DI-di-di-di-di-di- sound effect?

  37. Re:Creating meaningful data out ofnothing by Kogase · · Score: 1

    You are not creating data out of thin air... it is being created based on preexisting data, by an (usually) expertly designed procedure. As to whether or not it is meaningful in the long run, I can attest to the meaningfulness of almost all still images and moving images (how about DVD's played at any high desktop resolution) that I have seen expanded.

  38. New models in Japan by Choron · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if they're the same model they talk about in the article but the ads for the latest Sony models here in Japan mention a memory stick port in front of the TV that lets you record programs that let you watch them on your cellphone for instance.
    You can bet they record it in some crippled format (don't expect it to be XVid), but it's cool feature to watch stuff in the train anyway (Japanese usually have very long commute times, unlike US'ers).

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  39. No way by themoodykid · · Score: 0

    If Sony were smart, they'd hire the X10 guys to do the advertising for this zoom feature!!

    1. Re:No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Sony were smart, they'd hire the X10 guys to do the advertising for this zoom feature!!

      Let me guess -- you use Internet Explorer?

  40. Re:Creating meaningful data out ofnothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter how many experts worked on the filter, the output *can't* have more information in it than the input. Either the zoom image conveys the same information that was in the un-zoomed image, or they're making stuff up to fill in the gaps.

  41. Wait a minute... by iamdrscience · · Score: 0

    Wait a minute... What's that?

    Television, enhance image! Enhance. Enhance.

    My God.

  42. Duh by eamonman · · Score: 0

    Don't you know, the highly advanced Japanese TV broadcasting system already telecasts at a very high resolution, one that is dependent upon cultural, economic, and nerd factors:

    TV Resolution = [1920 1440] * Dollar/Yen*100 * Import Racers (in the US)/Stock Car Racers (in Japan) * # of (PS2+GC)/Xboxes sold globally

    So you see, unless Bill Gates really improves his image in the streets of Shinjuku, or a NASCAR Japan series takes off in Japan, there's plenty of resolution for their zoom-in technology to use!

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  43. Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It uses interpolation rather than just pixel duplication / binning.

  44. yet another invention of the (not so ?) obvious by l3v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know, it's probably just me, but I don't think adding a "feature" like this to a tv set should be a cause for worldwide hype in a normal world.

    I mean zooming an image is no rocket science (and in this case is probably no good either). Recognizing public demand for such a function in the case of tv's and adding it could be good for businness. But hyping such a function this much... it's just a nobrainer.

    But then again, the hype around these new functions and revolutionary enhancements :P are (I hope) probably not targeted to people who understand the techniques laying behind.

    One thing to add from the image procssing guy's side: for normal pal-resolution tv sets a certain amount of everyday zooming wouldn't show that much zooming error as e.g. a plasma screen would. Just try grabbing a lowres low-bitrate video (lets say quarter pal res + ~500kbit mpeg4) and play it full screen on a 50cm tv set (many artifacts are smoothed out) and some 100cm digital (where they all remain visible).

    But I still don't like the hype around it. It's like when MS said DB-based file system is coming in '06 and that will be so great and cool and all. When we first heard them we just looked at each other and wondered: with all their research facilities behind their backs, how come in some cases they all lurk so behind ? Another example would be using neural networks for learning and adapting applications. Anybody moving around in scientific research can come around many dozens of applications and research fields using them every year. Still, most of everyday people don't have a clue what that is and they all get easily caught into the hype tides.

    Well, scientific research and company policies are not so close to each other as one would guess :D

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    1. Re:yet another invention of the (not so ?) obvious by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Informative

      I mean zooming an image is no rocket science

      Yeah, its way harder. At least high quality image interpolation is. Theres been decades of research into it and dozens of different methods have been the topic of phd papers. Lots of high end math and very complex algorithms.

      Ever printed a photo on an inkjet printer? You're seeing a pretty strenuous use of interpolation algorithms there. A typical resolution image coming off of a digital camera only prints at maybe 2 or 3 inches across at the resolution a typical printer operates. So if say, you want an 8x10, your printing software does some serious interpolating.

      And not all printing software is equal, either. The algorithm makes all the difference. Its why you can get a so-so large image out of photoshop's print facilities (that uses bicubic) and a noticably better one from QImage (at the moment, pyramid)

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    2. Re:yet another invention of the (not so ?) obvious by sexecutioner · · Score: 1

      You mention plasma screens and it has spawned some drivel from me: I've always thought that the resolution of the screen must be many many times more than the TV signal.

      So instead of some stupid zoom feature, why can't a plasma TV have multiple tuners inside so you can watch 4,5 or more channels at once side by side, each displaying at its native resolution.

      I know some TVs have "picture in picture" but seriously, with the resolution available on these large screens you should be able to watch at least 8 channels simultaneously.

      And that would be cool (even useful?).

    3. Re:yet another invention of the (not so ?) obvious by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      Yes you could, if hardware implementations were available. And it indeed would be useful, IMHO. I would certainly buy such a tv set :)

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    4. Re:yet another invention of the (not so ?) obvious by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its way harder. At least high quality image interpolation is. Theres been decades of research into it and dozens of different methods have been the topic of phd papers. Lots of high end math and very complex algorithms.

      Okie, I know, been in image processing research for a time. Didn't want to be unneccessarily techie here.

      What I ment by the "rocket science" thing was that placing a chip that zooms with a however special algorithm shouldn't deserve the hype in '04. That's all, but then again, it could be just me.

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  45. It's a bird, it's a plane... by Effugas · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's superresolution!

    There's actually a whole host of algorithms that go well beyond the junk they throw at us for "digital zoom". The two most applicable algorithms for this particular problem -- increasing the resolution of video above and beyond the source data available in a particular frame -- are temporal integration (collecting data across multiple frames) and superresolution by example (automatically associating and recalling high resolution imagery when a low resolution equivalent is shown). Some example code:

    Temporal Integration: ALE
    Superresolution by Example: Image Analogies -- not automated, but remains one of the cooler pieces of code ever shown at SIGGRAPH.

    From the article, I'm guessing it's another ALE style stacker. They probably needed to write one for their cameras anyway.

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    1. Re:It's a bird, it's a plane... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      An explanation of how time-integration superresolution can reconstruct more detail than any single frame: imagine the camera moves slightly from one frame to the next, by half a pixel. The new intensity of each pixel is not exactly the average of the intensities of the two original pixels it was between, unless the left and right halves of each original pixel contributed equally to its total intensity. Thus, the new pixel has a little more information about the intensity at a location between the two original pixels, and by repeating this frame-by-frame, you can extract a genuinely higher resolution image. You're not constructing information out of nowhere; you're using the information in a series of frames to build a single frame that has more information than any individual frame in the composite.

      Example-based superresolution is a little dodgier. What it does is construct a statistical model from high-resolution images of similar subjects. Then when presented with a new image, it uses this statistical model to "fill in the blanks" with statistically-plausible details. That probably wouldn't hold up as forensics in a court of law, because you're filling in the details with information not present in the actual image -- it comes from training images which are supposedly "similar to" what was present but not visible in the actual source. But it has its uses: suppose you train the algorithm with a bunch of text in various fonts. Then you can use it to zoom in on small and unclear text, and because alphabetic characters are all pretty much the same, it does a good job of reconstructing what the original letters probably looked like.

    2. Re:It's a bird, it's a plane... by Effugas · · Score: 1

      AC--

      With regards to your first description, you are describing a temporal mechanism informally referred to as "drizzling". This method was pioneered by NASA for astronomical imagery. While this is one way to merge several images, it's by no means the only way. Among other things, it does require a rather cooperative camera operator -- not TV. Many webcams will stack photos and average them in an attempt to eliminate high frequency noise, which quite arguably reduces true resolution below the simple bounding box. Then there are the algorithms that do stacking with warping, i.e. they attempt to allow stacking despite areas of the images changing or the camera moving. Long story short -- more than one way to integrate lots of images, and ALE supports more than a few of them.

      I hadn't considered the forensic implications of example-based superresolution. One could argue that as long as the network hadn't been trained with any particular bias (say, a large number of face components for a hazy blob off a bank camera) if the objective reassembly looked like the defendent, that should be taken into account. Interesting thinking.

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    3. Re:It's a bird, it's a plane... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I don't have it with me (would have to look it up tomorrow), but I read a paper on Citeseer about Bayesian superresolution methods that work decently even with stills from a handheld digital camera being jittered around; I guess that would fall into your "warping" category. It's definitely better than simple stacking (Bretthorst's book has an good treatment of how stacking loses lots of information).

    4. Re:It's a bird, it's a plane... by Effugas · · Score: 1

      Jittered cameras basically have affine transformations (the camera angle shifting), parallax (objects farther away shifting nonlinear amounts), and of course, the subject moving around over time. Still, there's alot that stays the same from frame to frame. I'd like to see this paper -- please post the link.

    5. Re:It's a bird, it's a plane... by hholzgra · · Score: 1
      > Superresolution by Example: Image Analogies

      Well, nice "painting style" effect, but i can't really see the gain here.

      Take the carpet example: from the original image i can tell how many white dots are within the green spots.
      From the 'enahced' one it is impossible to tell.

      So this actualy *looses* information ... :(

  46. Why did it take so long . . . by LazloTheDog · · Score: 2, Funny
    for Sony to utilize the Extreme Close Up Technology(tm) that Wayne and Garth pioneered on Wayne's World?

    JM

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  47. True? by venomkid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you gotta love any article where the word True is in quotes.

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  48. Re:BEWARE PYRAMID SCHEMES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing with pyramid schemes is that some people do win out. As the scheme progresses, the number of people profiting will be a small portion of the actual participants

  49. Sure... just what Comcast needs... by bs_02_06_02 · · Score: 1

    Another method to show Comcast exactly how CRAPPY their cable TV really is. I'm glad I switched to satellite. It's so much better.

    Who needs this stuff? I have these features on a couple DVD players, and I've never used it. Pause, stop, fast forward. That's it. Tell Sony to put a fast forward (through commercials), and then I'll be interested.

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    1. Re:Sure... just what Comcast needs... by sraesttam · · Score: 1

      Replay TV Up to series 5500 ( I Think) automatically skips commercials. They got sewed or something, so every model after that doesn't automaticaly skip them. You could get a refurbished unit or something ...

  50. Not a true zoom. by Sludge · · Score: 1

    Using heuristics to assume material and interpolate between known data does not a true zoom make.

  51. Totally missing the point! by dthree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see any (ahem) reason to use this feature. The killer app for resolution-upsampling, or whatever, is front-projection TVs! Instead of optically zooming up your image to full wall-size, complete with pixels larger than lego bricks, use this technology to zoom the signal up to the native resolution of a hi-res LCD projector. (or highest res available if its a CRT)

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  52. When will it be available? by Dr+Cool · · Score: 1
    From the article:
    ...unclear when the zoom function would be available on TV sets.
    Perhaps it would be clearer if they used their digital enhancement technology?
  53. Useful for transition to HDTV by utexaspunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This may be useful for helping (pardon the pun) smooth the transition to HDTV. Right now most of our cable channels are not HD, and the difference between the HD and regular digital TV channels is quite stark. On a large screen, regular digtal TV becomes almost unbearable once you get used to HD. But more importantly, perhaps many people are uninterested in buying an HDTV because they know how little content is available and realize that most TV is going to look just as crappy anyway. This could be a good marketing point for Sony- a processor that helps non-HD TV look better on your big-screen TV.

  54. Isn't this the sort of thing... by xombo · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the sort of thing that causes nightmares in the minds of TV show makeup persons? I know HDTV caused many a sleepless night, but seriously... Maybe next they'll implement real-time airbrushing and iBotox.

  55. Zoom on this by d474 · · Score: 1
    "A box attachment with the feature may be sold separately, but the date and price are still undecided, Sony said."
    I wonder if we could zoom in on this quote far enough to see the price.
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  56. Marketing Spiel by Barto · · Score: 1

    This is blatent marketing spiel. It's not scaling because it "enhances" the picture? Give me a break. Applying a few algorithms doesn't change the fact that the picture is scaled.

    And since when did slashdot start accepting ads as stories?

  57. "Zoom" to a High Def resolution by KrackHouse · · Score: 1

    With all the high resolution HDTVs out there why doesn't Sony just "zoom" all standard definition content so that it can display pixel for pixel on an HDTV? If the hype is real it would seem like an obvious application.

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  58. Re:Creating meaningful data out ofnothing by d474 · · Score: 1
    "You are not creating data out of thin air... it is being created based on preexisting data..."
    Yeah, the preexisting data are the frames before it where the camera man was actually zoomed in on the object.

    Either that or they should call this technology for what it really is: Digital Zoom-Zoom
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  59. Superresolution by The+boojum · · Score: 1

    I'd mod you up if I still had mod points. When I first saw this, I was wondering how it was different from simply interpolating the pixels of the image. But I think you're right in that it must be superresolution; I'd thought about applying that technique to video before.

    Once you've figured out the registration or spatial offset between each frame, it's pretty much just a matter of applying a reconstruction filter to the samples from all of the images adjusted for position to get back a better approximation to the original signal.

    I believe it was NASA who originally developped the superresolution techniques to refine the fairly low resolution images they got back from early probes.

  60. Mod up clueful. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Ah yes... I think this is one of those applications where multi-rate filtering is useful for something other than filling journals. (right?)
    By taking into account the response of block DCT algorithms in the motion comp/optical blur removal steps, you can take full advantage of the entire system's response and extract even more accurate spatial domain information.

    I wonder what specifically Sony models and how they adjust their models for varying input sources...

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  61. Guns? by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 1

    Will it find guns if you zoom in on the shadows?

  62. Marketing junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why is this news? This is marketing garbage. It's still digital zoom. Worthless for television.

  63. (ot) Why waste your money on that... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    It doesn't include a truncated sinc function or polyphase filter (as far as I could tell)... what's the point? I mean, we already know how to "do it right".

    What you really need is an MPEG/JPEG deblocker, THEN you resize the image. Duurrrr.

    I mean, I'd pay $180 if it took the EXIF information from the picture, derived information about the CCD layout and lens/aperature settings, and information about the artifacts introduced by the particular quanitization that occured during JPEG compression -- to create a reconstruction filter that could then be combined with the resizing filter above to allow for adding back in detail in the resized image.

    Now that'd be a fucking cool plugin.

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  64. LOL by melted · · Score: 1

    All you ever see there is bicubic interpolation which they teach you how to do in the first few weeks of any computational mathematics class. No smoke, no mirrors, no nothing. Just a stupid-simple interpolation algorithm.

  65. This sounds like a previously-disclosed technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    NASA introduced a system called VISAR that has similar image extrapolation capabilities. It's secret is that it's examining hints from the frame you're stopped on as well as the ones before and after it. It also can remove zooms and stabilize shaky images in post-production. Also, there's a system called Retinex that they created with other image processing capabilities.

    I don't think this is mere trollism on Sony's part, but just an implementation of what others have done.

  66. Fractal compression could do this by GreatDrok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember seeing a demonstration about 12 years ago where Prof Barnsley showed how his fractal compression method could take a low resolution image (in this case a parrot) and encode it as a fractal. He showed how simply zooming the original resulted in the usual blocky image but when you zoomed the encoded image it still appeared sharp(ish). He zoomed into the parrot's eye which in the original was made up of four pixels and the fractal image still showed a round pupil although it did look a bit out of focus.

    Another demo I saw on the British show "Tomorrow's World" showed how you could zoom in on a photo that had a fence and the fractal image showed the fence details that were again not visible in the original.

    There was of course talk of using this sort of tech to do video upsampling for projection. Given the performance I saw I see no reason why a standard DVD couldn't have been cranked up to twice the resolution and look substantially clearer. Of course, the downside of fractal compression was that it took huge (at the time) amounts of computing power to compress, and bugger all the uncompress. These days I expect it is trivial.

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  67. Okay, cool... how much? by Kokuyo · · Score: 0

    Nice thing.... but since I don't remember one single moment where I actually said "Gee, wouldn't a zoom button be nice right now?" I'm asking myself how much I will have to spend on future TVs. And I'm not talking cash here... Those features alone don't make the price. But what I'm talking about is zapping through all the functions of those home entertainment monsters. When I was in school I had the time to try out every simple function in every single electronic device in our home. But today, where time is worth more than money, I won't use such gimmicks anyway. It's the same with my wireless ISDN phone, with my car hifi and so on. I mainly use the main functions and that's it. Heck I can't even use the sleep timer on my TV because I won't fall asleep before the TV shuts off anyway. So I'm asing myself when do we get price reduction by leaving out certain functions in our electronic devices? No zoom? No problem, take 20 bucks off the price. That would be cool. (Of course there will be a lot of self-kicking when you take it home turn it on and see just the scene you'd have liked to get a zoomed and frozen image of ;))

  68. Hey! Just like Blade Runner! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Except the sticking the photo into the scanner part.

  69. Now you can answer the immortal TV question... by syousef · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dude! Where's my car?!?!?

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  70. Fractal expansion by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    could it be some sort of fractal expansion? Probably too cpu intensive. eg... http://www.lizardtech.com/solutions/gf/

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  71. Re:BEWARE PYRAMID SCHEMES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kind of like real life, no? As time progresses, a small number of people at the top will be profiting, but the masses will be fairly poor.

  72. Better, use it to watch DVD's by PotatoHead · · Score: 0

    On that HDTV set...

  73. "digitally enhancing the signal" by tod_miller · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As anyone dabbling in image processing knows. Given any image information, you cannot add entropy to an image with certainty that it is correct.

    However they label thier zooming, if they are introducing information into the image then you have a false image.

    However, like the DivX 'warmth' plugin, randomised information can give us perceptual detail that is interpretted by our visual system to 'look right'

    Otherwise all are doing is zooming with subpixel antialiasing.

    In this day and age I think the signal is digital, so how is any modification of the original signal enhancing?

    Now enhancing is a very broad word, but to me this article is a marketting trip to consumer land, nothing new here, move along.

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  74. I imagine you can also do neat things with video by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I mean think: MPEG compression works by looking for similarities and differences inter-frame. The same could theoritically be applied to zoom. Have a zoom look X frames ahead and behind and use information from the other frames to guess more accurately at the missing data in the current frame.

    However even just a simple bicubic filter works pretty well, and works on all images. It looks much better than just making the pixels larger, and at up to about 200% isn't all that noticable and is even acceptable at 400% or so.

  75. Don't use broadcast as a benchmark by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Broadcast = professional grade = expensive (for many reasons). $4000 will get you a real, no shit, 1920x1080 big screen HDTV. It really has 1920 horizontal resolution, and it's big enough you can really see it.

    For that matter $500 will get you a 22" computer monitor that will do 2048x1536 and will easily pull 1920x1280, even at a high refresh. It's not all that large, but it is beyond what HDTV needs by far.

  76. Only 2 words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome BladeRunner

    (prolly the first movie to use this function as a home appliance) (did i write appliance correctly mamma ?)

  77. what a completely useless feature!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm waiting for the day we can perform 3d rotations around the scene inside the television. Upskirts in japan will take on a whole new meaning.. heck it could even put the voyeur industry out of business

  78. Coming up ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony is now already working on a new invention: zooming-out. It enables the tv set to digitally extrapolate the scene outside its borders.

  79. True resolution of inkjet printers is much lower by hung_himself · · Score: 4, Informative

    A typical resolution image coming off of a digital camera only prints at maybe 2 or 3 inches across at the resolution a typical (inkjet) printer operates.

    Not true, because inkjet "resolutions" are really dot densities and not resolution (resolution would be how many distinct dots can you print per inch.) That's why laser printers with nominally "lower resolution" output crisper text. Also the dot density is for a single colour - complex hues such as skin tones have to be simulated by digital halftoning (essentially multiple dots forming larger colour pixels) techniques which reduce the effective resolution several fold depending on the colour being simulated and the accuracy desired. That's why continous tone printers such as dye subs with nominally "lower resolution" can give much sharper colour prints.

    Software would have a major effect on the quality of colour prints from inkjets but that would mostly be from how the halftoning was done rather than the interpolation per se...

  80. One thing I noticed... by bairy · · Score: 1

    The box goes on the tv. So you have to get up, walk across the room and sit half an inch off the tv anyway. Of course things are gonna get bigger!

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  81. Poor article text by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sony Develops TVs That Zoom in for True Close-ups

    No, they've developed a new version of a chip.

    They don't even know when they'll start developing "TVs that zoom in for true close-ups".

    Unlike the current TVs that simply scale the image, Sony's technology does 'true' zooming by digitally enhancing the signal to communicate gloss, depth and texture.

    Using which definition of "true"?

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  82. Dude... by tmw_prophecy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just 'cause your moms female and nice to you, does'nt mean its cool to refer to her as your "Girlfriend".

  83. I Want to Zoom Out Instead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Never mind the zoom in, I'd rather have a zoom out.

    Like, for example, when they show a nude girl only from the neck upwards.

  84. Only a few possible solutions. by GuyFawkes · · Score: 1


    1/ original video signal is sent using FIF (Fractal Image Format) compression, high qaulity zoom possible, by definition much of the original signal is dropped during "normal" playback.

    2/ original video signal is sent using much higher resolution, high quality zoom for a couple of steps possible, by definition much of the original signal is dropped during normal playback

    3/ original video signal is send using display resolution, iterpolation of several frames used to generate extra data, modest zoom possible but should be noted that unlike the previous two zoom techniques this one is fake and picture displayed will NOT be based solely upon the data stream.

    4/ original video signal is sent using display resolution, single frame of data used, modest zoom possible and using something like GPU anti-aliasing to smooth out the jaggies, this again unlike items 1 and 2 is a fake zoom.

    Basically that's it, unless the broadcast signal is transmitting something like 24 x the amount of data that the display is using in standard mode (so wasteful no commercial enterprise will go for it, juts look at the dynamic compression satellite broadcasters use to squeeze more channels into limited satellite bandwidth) then this "zoom" is about as factual as the 9600 d.p.i. 25 dollar A4 scanners that are really 300x600 d.p.i.

    SO in reality this is the same tech that already exists in my 50 dollar standalone dvd player, or indeed dvd playback software for the pc.

    What it most certainly is NOT is a Blade Runner style photographic zoom and enhance where 4 pixels end up generating an image showing a reflection of the cameraman thus proving the photo was a fake and the chick was a construct.

    How this sort of shit can get posted to a self proclaimed "news for nerds" site beggars belief.

    Did IQ's suddenly drop by about 50 around here?

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  85. All right, grab out those crash-images by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    I guess we can see a lot more in detail when we analyze the original footage of say the Genesis-drop of yesterday using ALE.

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  86. Digital TV is MPEG to start with... by blorg · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...and digital PVRs simply record the exact MPEG2 stream sent from the TV station, no additional processing is involved. And at high bitrates you would be hard pushed to identify MPEG2 artifacts in any case (try zooming on on a well authored DVD and identify the artifacts).

    This argument about "lossy compression" comes up again and again. You could say that everything is "compressed" from the original reality; it's a matter of whether you do stupid compression (drop the sampling rate) or intelligent compression (removing things that can't be heard/seen). It's all about getting the maximum perceived audo/picture quality with a given data rate. So, taking the same data rate, would you prefer "uncompressed" 8-bit video at 320x240 say, or MPEG4 "compressed" HDTV at 1920x1080?

  87. Just like insects by spectrokid · · Score: 1

    I remember reading an article that flies can actually see better than their multi-faceted eyes would theoretically permit, because of a similar effect. They take time into account and interpollate in the time-space domain.

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  88. The future of compression.. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

    oh.. i can see it now.. you take an image and blur it up until it is just one uniform colour..

    then from this image you can "extrapolate" it to get the original image!

    100kb image today -> 1kb image in the future!

  89. You can't create information out of nothing. by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Assuming it works perfectly, what this system has to do is make an artificially-intelligent guess as to what the low-resolution picture is showing, synthesize a high-res version of its guess, and show you that. Your brain can do the same thing, but you're aware of some effort and stress in the process (and you're also aware of uncertainty).

    What will happen when you know that a friend of yours is sitting in the stadium at a football game that you're watching at home and you zoom in on a couple of pinkish pixels that represent the place where you know he is sitting? Whose face will it display when you zoom in? A generic anime-like face? Your friend's face? What?

    When it guesses wrong, the mistakes it makes will be dillies.

    The article said it showed that a dark spot in the river was a hippopotamus. How did it know? Did it have a database that said "this film takes place in a locale where dark spots in the river are probably hippopotami?" Or when you zoom in on dark spots in other bodies of water, will it deduce and render a hippopotamus, too? Hippopotami in the Okeefenokee swamp? In the Hudson river? In Walden Pond?

    As with colorized films, the effect will be exciting for about a week. Then your brain will catch on that it is being cheated, and the zoomed in images will look clear and sharp yet, subtlely, unsatisfying, because it is showing only what the brain already knows is there... or fake, stereotyped detail that will look phony once you catch on to its characteristic "look." Finally, the only fun in the system will be deliberately zooming in on things you know it will make mistakes on to see the comic effect.

  90. Not static photo enhancement by Zapdos · · Score: 1

    This is ~30 frames per second enhancement. Think of it this way you have ~30 frames of data for each second. They may be using the informational differences between each frame to build the image.

    They may also be able to associate a now low resolution spot in the current frame with the large high resolution image x number of frames ago.

  91. Zoom Zoom by eyepeepackets · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah baby, look at the stripes on that zebra's ass! Woohoo!

    Cool tech and all that, but I found the picture on the link to be especially amusing.

    Maybe it's just me, hmm.

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  92. Caption by metallikop · · Score: 1

    "My that zebra has a nice rear, care for a closer look?"

  93. Up skirt prime time TV by gumbysworld · · Score: 1

    Come on...... You know what this will be used for. Getting a close up or them sneak peaks you get on TV. I would of loved to have that yesterday. On Yes Dear the main female lead was popping out all over the place. Id would of froze n zoomed on a few key scenes. Then hit [Prt Scr]

  94. Damn, a week too late. by jmcmunn · · Score: 1

    ...May/Walsh were on my screen bouncing around in the sand just a week or so ago. Now this wonderful technology will have to wait 4 years to realize its glory.

  95. Will Hollywood sue?! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    Hollywood generally doesn't like when end-users prefer edited content.

    http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-05 -0 5-clearplay-main_x.htm

    I can easily imagine a director complaining that allowing the user to zoom a movie would change his picture and ruin the film.

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  96. What about the human brain by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 1

    Doesn't the brain do this to some extent?

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    1. Re:What about the human brain by Mant · · Score: 1

      Yep. The signal going into the human brain not only is upsidedown, but has a blindspot, and an uneven distribution of rods and cones. IIRC the centre of your field vision is much better at colour sense, and the edge at light/darkness sense.

      The brain does loads of processing on the image before the concious part of the brain 'sees' it.

  97. Why? by Todd+Fisher · · Score: 1

    Sure you can (or can't depending on which of the previous posts you agree with) do it, but why? In all my years of watching T.V. I have never once said "man, I wish I could zoom in on that!" Can anyone give an example as to how this technology might be usefull?

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  98. Sliced bread WAS the next greatest thing. by Mr+Guy · · Score: 1

    When the automated bread slicer was revealed to the world (I want to say World's Fair 1912ish maybe?) people were amazed. By the time it was ready for sale by about the 30s it could slice and package bread for sale.

    It's the bread slicer that allowed commercial bakers to make it into big business.

    1. Re:Sliced bread WAS the next greatest thing. by danila · · Score: 1

      I wonder how other countries managed to survive without sliced bread, without really wanting sliced bread and with having big (huge) bakeries that make normal, non-cliced bread.

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    2. Re:Sliced bread WAS the next greatest thing. by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Must be why they are all terrorrists now.

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  99. Aww, man! by renderhead · · Score: 1

    There goes my excuse to yell at the TV whenever Captain Picard says "magnify and enhance"!

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  100. DRCv1 is pretty bad by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    I have a Sony TV that has DRCv1. It was claimed as some sort of motion-blur removing feature, in the end all it does is sharpen the image. Yeah, there's probably more advanced stuff going on there, but it has no effect on motion blur at all, the overall effect it's just sharper, which isn't always a good thing.

    Still, I like to run it on "low" (Options are "Off", "Low", and "High")

  101. What was sliced bread the greatest thing since? by BlueTT · · Score: 1

    No one ever knows the answer to that one...

  102. Re: fixed noise patterns by Stunning+Tard · · Score: 1

    Does this mean you can teach photoshop (or whichever app) how to clean up noise from your digital camera? Is this being done already?

  103. Finally! by lordmoose · · Score: 1

    We can find Waldo.

  104. whatever by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    This is barely news, its really just yet another image enhancement algorithm that tries to make something out of nothing, unless they are doing something very new and innovative (unlikely) its not going to be much better than anything else. Also isnt it the directors job to make sure that you see in detail everything you need to see? thats what real close-ups and long-shots are for - so you can sit down and just watch the show!

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  105. Odd picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didya notice the pic in the article? You'd think for a promo they could have picked something better than a zebra's butt.

    This is a technology we really need. Even tighter zoom on Ron Jeremy's hairy butt. Yeah, that's great.

  106. Re: fixed noise patterns by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 1

    I remember reading a post on /. a while back explaining precisely how to do this.
    I'm not a P'shop expert, but as far as I remember it involved taking a long, long shot with the lens cap on, in order to create a image file that should be totally black but for the dodgy pixels on your camera's CCD, and then subtacting this image from any subsequent ones taken with that camera. It was something like that, anyway.

  107. Photoshop by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
    can even do this to a certain degree with plug-ins. using Neatimage, which has noise profiles of many devices, and the 10% zoom rule [zoom images in increments of 10%] - with unsharp mask, you can get some damned good digital zooms.

    There are other packages out there, as well, like Intellisharpen

    Again, not that these things are killer apps for Digital Zoom as opposed to optical, buth they are damned good.

  108. Use more bandwidth on likely zoom targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To get the best zoom effect, you want to use bandwidth selectively.

    * Preview the feed to a sample audience before general broadcast (e.g. a few seconds before) and record where they look.

    * Or train an AI to mimic the sample audience.

    * Or predict the most zoomable point by context (e.g. in most sports it will be the area around the ball, in pr0n it will be where you'd expect). Use image recognition, or pay someone to follow that point.

    Maybe I'm too late, but let's hope that publishing this stops another "bleeding obvious" patent.

  109. DTV runs at a lower bitrate by tepples · · Score: 1

    And at high bitrates you would be hard pushed to identify MPEG2 artifacts in any case (try zooming on on a well authored DVD and identify the artifacts).

    DVD Video on a Superbit disc runs at up to 9 Mbps for video+audio. Standard definition DTV runs at less than half that.

  110. Since Porno is tech king... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since pornography historically has subsidized the adoption of many new technologies and format standards, we can therefore deduce that this new technology will quickly become a standard feature in all homes (give it 5 to 10 years).

  111. "We are not men, we are Dilbert" by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
    Does anyone else see this kind of technology as a very poor reflection of what we are becoming in the "civilised" world? Namely, a whole bunch of separate cublicle-ised voyeurs?

    Probably since World War 2, we've seen the breakdown of the family and close-knit social communities for various reasons. Now we don't socialise with our neighbours and entertain ourselves at home a lot - the Internet, DVD & video, games consoles, etc.

    Added to that, communications mean we can avoid face-to-face contact with people. Yet I'm beginning to wonder if we are actually yearning for that lost contact and intimacy with other people?

    Look at:

    - the rise in reality TV which gives us the chance to look "behind the scenes" in peoples' lives

    - the increase in celebrity worship and stalking

    - DVDs that offer documentaries and commentaries about movies, not just the movies

    - mobile phones with "secret" cameras built in

    Now the "TV zoom" will allow us to "tear apart" programs and movies to find something new - perhaps the "little yellow van" in the extreme background of a gladiator movie...

    All of these technological "advances" seem to succeed because they give us the feeling of some kind of "voyeuristic intimacy" with a particular subject that gives us the feeling of being "one-up" over the rest of the human race.

    As a race, I really believe that humans are reaching a turning-point in their evolution - on one hand, we're instinctively social animals enjoying close contact with others but, on the other hand, we're readily accepting technology that allows us to sit back and "view from a distance", probably because ultimately we're being indoctrinated about how important it is to NOT stand out in a crowd - staying at a distance lets us pretend that much more that we are who we're not, just small insecure people who yearn for contact with others.

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  112. Perceptual enhancements by tepples · · Score: 1

    The added details may be false in the strict information-theoretic sense, but as you point out, it "looks right" to the untrained eye. Consumer electronics makers make a lot of money from "consumer land".

  113. Perverts created that! by robpoe · · Score: 1

    IMAGINE!!! Porn at it's greatest..

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  114. Sony WEGA by TeamSPAM · · Score: 1

    Granted this is off topic, but this looked like a good spot. I recently bought a 32" Sony WEGA and my only complaint is the fact that it can't handle the progressive scan output from my DVD player. The component video inputs only handle 480i. I honestly can't tell the difference between the normal input and the component video input. What's the point of putting component video on a TV if it can't handle 480p?

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  115. True zoom by digitally enhancing? by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    isn't that an oxymoron? ;)

  116. Scent enhancement by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I'm currently developing a product that given a standard TV signal, it digitally processes the video and audio to reconstruct the smell originally present during recording. This technology even works for older black and white films.

    Imagine, a box on your TV set that allows you to watch all your favorite sitcoms, soaps, sports, pornography and cooking shows as if you were right there in the actor's face, sniffing them.

    As you can see, the potential for profit is enormous! If you're interested in investing in my product please mail, in cash, to:

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