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2.2 inch LCD Display featuring VGA Resolution
i4u writes "Casio announces a LCD display with the world's highest resolution.
The 2.2 inch LCD display features VGA resolution. The Casio innovation has 368ppi (pixels per inch). The power consumption and size is the same as with current QVGA (320x240) displays. Meaning current mobile phone models could directly be upgraded with a VGA display. So we could very soon see Mobile phones with VGA resolution on 2.2 inch displays.
Samsung had the World's highest resolution with 300ppi in early August. Casio took now the lead.
More details in Casio Press-Release (Japanese)."
next time i'll read it.
I'm trying to think of something witty to say about running linux on such a device, but I'm actually lost for words.
Quick, someone say something funny!
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so now we get resolution comparable to print
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i4u took now the wording straight from the source page.
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This device is QVGA, or a Quarter of VGA. VGA is 640x480, SVGA is 800x600.
I just got one of the new zaurus Sl-6000 pda's that does 640x480 on a quite large (for a pda) screen and the pixels are already small enough to be indistinguisable from eachother. Putting that res in a screen that small seems pretty pointless.
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I can see this being beneficial for pictures, video, and the like, but not UI elements. Phone OSes are going to need to build in scalable UIs and offer tools for their developers to do the same or we won't be able to use the things.
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my new business card will have this, along with a super tight distro of linux mounted on a thin flash card. and it will have a 3d display and stuff and it will pwn all your paper business cards
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Okay, the high pixel density is neat and all, but can anyone name an application that would need a small screen with such high resolution.
If they "slightly" expanded it, though, you'd have a ~22 inch LCD with 6400x4800. Finally, a use for those high-end video cards with tons of memory!
That is, when does the average human eye stop distinguishing them as seperate points?
I can tell 300 DPI from 600 DPI on a printout, but above that it looks about the same to me.
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Casio took now the lead.
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I'll put it right next to my personal PIN number that I left by the automated ATM machine
VGA resolution and unreadable to anyone above 40.
Is it just me getting old, or are young people designing things for their age group only without considering those who are older?
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While this is nice, what I really want is a better battery, better camera (can we get 2mp on a cell phone?), and more storage memory (how about a card slot?). I doubt anyone will run windows or play doom on their cell phone. But people might want to play mp3's, take pictures, or browse the web and check email.
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- You insensitive clods, my cell-phone's still using LED lights.
Begun, this display war has. /Wow. Wierd grammar-- it just feels right imagining Yoda's voice reading that entire headline.
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...if you made a Jumbotron out of these things.
Of course, the Nvidia card needed to run it would probably feel like a blast furnace and have a fan that looks like a helicopter blade.
I would love a vga (or better!) capable screen that fits in a drive bay. If you've seen the lcd's for car stereos that slide out, you know what I mean. Or if you don't, imagine the rackmountable lcd displays that slide out and then go vertical but sized for a drive bay.
Would be great for the htpc that's normally only used with a projector. You don't always want to turn on the beamer if you're just playing music, but you do need to be able to use some sort of screen.
it says it has the same current draw as QVGA but this one is full VGA.
You can also find out for yourself by doing some simple math: if this is approximately 2.2 inches with a 4:3 ratio it means it's going to be approx. 1.76in wide and 1.32in tall, which means that it has an area of around 2.3 square inches, which means that (at 368ppi, 135424 pixels per square inch) it would have 311475 pixels, which confirms full-VGA resolution (640x480 = 307200) due to probable slight measurement differences (I don't think it's going to be *exactly* 368ppi).
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I don't know about you, but the buga boo in the past with virtual headsets was
not being able to do true 640x480.
I'd love to see a head set doing true 640 x 480.
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I know that the most sophisticated VR also requires complicated head position tracking hardware, which apparently is quite difficult to get right. Existing implementations often cause nausea and vertigo in some people.
However, a nice, crisp 3D display with mouse-driven movement of the scene should be a perfectly acceptable low-cost alternative. You would have to strap it on your head and you would look like some kind of wired-up bug freak, but what's wrong with that?
I sure as heck could use it in my molecular modelling work.
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So, can we use this to FINALLY get a quasi-reasonable head-mounted displays?
I've always thought that one of the two reasons that wearables haven't really hit the mainstream was that the HMD's seemed to come with some weirdass resolution like 312 x 214 or some such nonsense. Aside from the obvious input issues, wearables are stunted by the number of freaky custom parts. HMD's with 15pin cables, let's go!
Make me a 15.4" screen out of this stuff. 5200x4300, 20mpix display. Gotta be good for the video editing. Of course it would take some incredibly fast RAM just to drive the screen at 60Hz 2D, let alone allowing you to draw to it.
Make an eye patch out of it that has video of an eye, programmed to follow the motions of your other eye.
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Casio took now the lead.
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If the display is built into your glasses instead of your watch.
If we used this in regular LCD screens (like for use with PCs), we'd be able to manage 1600x1200 resolution, at the very least. That does seem like it'd produce text that's quite small though.
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"The power consumption and size is the same as with current QVGA (320x240) displays" maybe true for the LCD itself, but not for the entire device. It takes processing power to calculate the placement of all those extra pixels.
So the assumption of consumption neglects those functions.
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...wanking will make you go blind. That is, if you do it while surfing for pr0n on one of these displays.
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Great now all of those crappy pictures everyone takes with their cell phones will show even more crappy detail. On a sweet note, cell phone porn is now even better. It's so nice when your bored in class. God bless Google Image Search.
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Slack LCD TV Market Means Cheaper Phones And Monitors
Posted by timothy on Wednesday September 22, @11:01AM
from the lcd-prices-still-high dept.
Shakrai writes "CNN and Business2 are running a story about the apparent failure of LCD TVs to make a major market impact and what it means for you. Specifically for us geeks it means cheaper cellular phones and laptops due to an oversupply of LCD manufacturing. Does this mean I can finally afford that 21" LCD monitor I've always wanted?"
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Yarr! That looks to be a good idea, matey! :)
Jeez,
./ readers, if Microsoft can do display DPI right, the phone will not have a problem.
Everyone is freaking out about needing a magnifying glass or something. People, 12 point text is still 12 point text regardless of what device renders it. It will simply have a smoother, print-like quality.
It isn't as if your going to boot Win95 on this thing, it will just have really well defined easy to read text. Don't believe me? Set the dpi of your monitor to 300dpi and look at how many pixels are in those 10 pt letters.
Come on
Will these phones ship with a magnifying glass?
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Don't LCD projectors have tiny high-res LCDs inside them that can do 1280x1024 or higher?
And based on the size of today's LCD projectors, i'd say that they're smaller or equal to 2.2 inches diagonal.
Could this be that it's just the first tiny display that's not ridiculously expensive and is durable enough for general use?
Correct me if I'm wrong....
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when will those graphing calculators be upgraded with displays capable of more than 86x48 resolution (B&W, at that)? I have the impression that HP, Casio and TI are stuck in a time-gap with their graphing calcs.
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WTF they are almost exactly the same:
From the (tiny) article (which is really just a post from the submitter to some lame site):"The power consumption and size is the same as with current QVGA (320x240) displays. Meaning current mobile phone models could directly be upgraded with a VGA display. So we could very soon see 2.2 inch Mobile phones with VGA resolution.
Why even have a link?
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So there was no point in anyone trying, as to hack the screen drawing code is not viable, as so much depended on the syncing and timing in the C64 days.
So conceivably, that old DOS mode 'pokes and peeks the VGA buffer itself' type code could now hope to be ported to this sort of screen.
I'm struggling and struggling to think of one app that would not have been superceded by something superior. But should one exist, it could not without it's hardcoded minimum resolution.
Keep this going, I could run Lionheart under UAE on an NGage VII.
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Mount two of these in glasses with appropriate optics. Split the image (could be 3-d, of course, but anti interlace the image if 3-d isn't needed). & Viola! 1280 x 960 for those with normal binocular vision; let the visual matrix re-merge them.
I don't think it would be much different from playing an FPS on a real big monitor with your face up close. The only reason that might make you sick as hell is the bloody giblets all over the floor.
Unless, of course, you are already sick as hell before you play, in which case that should make you feel better.
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. . . or does anyone else get the feeling that the synopsis for this article was written by Mojo Jojo?
First, a story: i went to the store with a woman who hates high-res displays and was telling me that no one likes them. suddenly, she pulled off the road, complaining that the setting sun was in her eyes. i didn't say anything, but her windshield was so filthy that you could hardly see out of it anyway. the low-angle sun just made it slightly more opaque.
Next, my opinion: many of the posts in this thread seem to come from people like that---they apparently can't see shit, so they can't imagine why anyone else would. i would love to have a 2.2in vga display, not so much to run programs written for a desktop screen (doh) but more to make things look less blocky.
Finally, my prescription: try an experiment. hold a book up next to your computer screen, a book whose typefaces don't seem too small to you. Notice that when you compare them side by side, the book is likely to have smaller type than the computer screen. Since the characters are more sharply drawn (higher resolution) you can actually see them better even if they are smaller.
Every time I see a story like this I think of the movie "Brazil" and the guy siting in front of a big magnifying glass with a tiny display behind it.
Too bad its running IE. Soon it will be the smallest resolutioned LCD to get spywared.
I mean, what could you watch on something that small?
Perhaps midget pr0n?
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Haha numbnuts you fucked this one up! Who the hell cares about linux anyway, goddamn nerd asses.
How about something similar to a sheet of paper, with a small microcontroller and flash-card slot.
Store your documents on the flash-card in a compatible format, pop the card into the device, and presto you've got documentation.
Now for those that prefer paper docs I'd agree that quite often it's nicer to have real pages handy... but for things like large manuals printed off the net etc etc this would save tons (both in time, toner, and paper) on printing stuff out, be more lightweight than a large volume, and have many other advantages.
I don't think it would be much different from playing an FPS on a real big monitor with your face up close.The only reason that might make you sick as hell is the bloody giblets all over the floor.
It should be noted however that FPSs on standard monitors DO make some people sick (due to the motion, not the content). Perhaps more people would suffer from this with HMDs?
Fonts like Verdana and the other Microsoft core web fonts were designed to work well at low resolution, so they start to look clunky at higher resolutions due to the design compromises such as where lines are made thicker and more even so that they don't get antialiased away at small pixel sizes. You can see this on normal monitors just by looking at 72pt Verdana: to most eyes, it starts to look "wrong".
Now that display resolutions are approaching print resolutions we can start using traditional fonts like Palatino and Frutiger for our web browsing and UI widgets.
To heck with the VR gear, how about something to interact with reality? One concept would be some form of vision enhancement, perhaps in the form of an eyepath with a realtime display. Hook up a camera or something similar and display an enhanced or altered visual - would be great for nightvision type devices.
Even better would be if the display is partially transparent, you could use it as an overlay, where you can see what's around you but with added visual elements (motion trackers, edge enhancers, heat-view, infrared... graphs, stats, you name it).
I could also see this being quite useful in cameras viewfinders, etc... although on my digital camera (Kodak DX6490) the viewfinder is electronic already and seems to be quite fine at whatever resolution it uses.
There isn't enough room inside a phone for the lenses necessary to achieve a good picture. Increasing the resolution of the sensors can only do so much.
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Battery powered handheld screens to hookup to the back of servers that weren't lucky enough to make it on the one and only KVM. I'd love to be able to bring a 3" screen to the back of some of our servers to watch the boot cycle without having to drag in a 15" monitor with a 15' electrical extension cord.
Maybe something like this is already available, but I haven't seen it, yet.
Now I can finally put my mobile electron microscope to good use!
Check out this display -- it's LCD, frag-friendly 360Hz refresh, 1/3 VGA, 24 bit color, and with a pixel size of 12 x 16.2um, it works out to 1500-2000 pixel/inch.
Of course, the trick is that this display is really small -- since it's built on a silicon wafer, expanding it to 2.2" would raise the price incredibly (defect rate isn't linear with size). So, it makes a wonderful camcorder/digital camera viewfinder, and its bigger cousins work in HD projectors, but not really practical for a phone display.
One of the coolest things about this is that it is a black and white display lit sequentially with red, gren, and blue leds. The display sets switches each pixel to the appropriate brightness of whatever color is lighting it. This means no "screen door" effect -- see an example here, so the display is much clearer.
Switching time is about 150 microseconds - good large-size monitors are still in the range of 20000 microseconds!
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For those who don't read Japanese, here are specs from the press release:
Does anybody know what the measure of contrast is? That's 450 what?EYES!
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I used to do VR research at SEGA in 1995 and we had a head-mount display with a pair of 640x480 color LCDs about the same size.
It probably cost a fortune back then, but it was available.
Highest resolution? I don't think so. My coworker has an old Sun monitor which does 1024x768.
Maybe you were referring to highest dot density, as in highest dpi?
You'll find an interesting chart in this article. If I'm reading it correctly this display is just beyond the resolving power of the eye at 18".
Why would anyone want 300+dpi on a 2" screen? It's simple. p0rn.
This higher resolution is going to lead to more complicated and advanced functions for cell phones. Advanced is something I like in a computer, but NOT in my phone. Nobody who gets a landline phone has to read a manual to know how to use it; it should be the same as cellphones. The second issue is cost. I know that some people can't help if they are clumsy, but you have to account for the possibility of stolen phones. My phone was stolen; it wasn't even my real phone, it was a loaner that I received while my phone was being repaired. It cost me $100 bucks to replace (expensive for a Junior in high school). And what will happen to the cost of the phones as more fancy gadgets and such become standard? Sure, the price of technology is supposed to go down, but these new features help keep the prices at the same level. I guess I'm just a complainer, but here's all I need in a phone: 1) Buttons, which can be used to dial phone numbers. 2) A ringtone, which can be used when someone is calling me. 3) Maybe, just maybe, a phonebook, so I can use it to store some frequently called numbers.
wtf are they talking about -- i have a 1/4" 640x480 kopin lcd in my eyeglasses -- they have them up to 1280x1024 if you have the cash. that puts it at a dpi of around 4000. check http://www.microopticalcorp.com/Products/ for deets
"Casio announces a LCD display with the world's highest resolution. The 2.2 inch LCD display features VGA resolution."
Personally I have seen resolutions substantially higher than VGA... Or does "VGA" stand for something other than Video Graphical Array these days and I have just made an idiot out of myself? Unlikely.
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I can't read the real press release, which is in Japanese, but this says that it's not VGA resolution, it's 320x240 QVGA, which I guess is subtly different from CGA (presumably including lots more colors.) So if it's 368dpi, then it's less than an inch wide, roughly right for a cell phone display.
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So, what your trying to say is it's a VGA display?
Not to be too picky, but the phrase "LCD display" is redundant. As we are all aware of, the 'D' in LCD already means display, so there is no need to specify that it is a display. This is something which has bothered my for years, but I digress.
My Sharp Zaurus SL-C860 features a 3.7" VGA display. The text is amazingly sharp- though it might be hard to read because everything is so small (I believe the pixel density is around 216 pixel/inch). This new screen is nearly one-third the area of the Zaurus', yet features the same resolution. Just a few years back, we were all drooling over this IBM Roentgen display, with its 200ppi (in this article). Can't wait to see one in my next cell phone, complete with a fresnel lens so I can read the text!
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One last time you innumerate morons: resolution improved quality and does not affect size.
Unfortunately, on the X window system it DOES affect size, since the display is specified in pixels rather than screen area. Finer pixel spacing means a smaller image and attempting to tweak that is not pretty.
That was the most significant advantage of NeWS over X.
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This is great news for the Volksbeamer, a DIY beamer.
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Put your index finger and thumb 2.2 inches appart, then look though this gap at your monitor. You will have to bring 'em very close to have the same field. Unless you are near sighted this is just to small to have an advantage.
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This works out to a little less than 4000 pixels on a standard screen at two feet away. Asuuming optimum contrast.
Some VR displays get away with far less by tracking at the eye is looking at and only drawing that region at maximum resolution.
Digital Cameras would really benefit from this technology. Particularly high-end digital SLR's. If you're trying to check focus on a sports shot, it'd be nice to actually see right away whether or not you got it sharp instead of thinking you got a sharp shot and checking it off your list... only to discover later on the big 21" screen that it's trash.
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This would be great for a subnotebook PC, like the Toshiba Libretto.
It's good progress, but still not what I ideally want: a device that is completely a standard PC, but in the form factor of a Gameboy Advance SP! The GBA SP is an ideal design: it is small, and has a flip-up screen that is sturdy and locks into a convenient position. If small buttons were used to form a fully-functional keyboard, as on the BlackBerry, and a small touchpad nearby for the mouse, this would be wonderful to have! The PC would have decent 3D graphics for games compatibility, a micro hard drive similar to the iPod, and of course Wi-Fi and GPRS wireless data support.
Does any company want to merge this pocketful of present-day devices into a future dream machine that could do it all?
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