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Disney Plans Tron Remake
blkmagic writes "Sci Fi Wire is reporting that Disney will remake Tron. The original article was in Variety, but requires a pay subscription, unless you want to sign up for a 14-day free trial. The article didn't mention what stage they're at, but sounds like they're changing the story a bit (surprise). I loved the original when I was younger (and still watch it again once in a while), so I don't know how I feel about this one!"
I don't like to think of myself as a snob, but I was tech savvy enough back at that time that the dumbing of computer terms (and the preposterous fantasy) tried my patience. The graphic effects were good, but that was about all there was for me to enjoy about the flik. So let's speculate about what could be put into such a remake of the film...
Worms and Virii infest the computer and are blasted with some McAfee ray
An evil spam king is sentenced to /dev/null until 0>1
The conceptual depiction of Microsoft Windows security is a hole Rama could pass through with a defaced tin sign by the entrance saying [UNAuthorized Proceses Only Beyond This Point]
Dee Arrum is a cute, cuddly Pooh-bearish creature who befriends the intrepid party and only wants what is best for everyone
Bugs will only be the result of users installing unathorised software
The central processor will have a huge ice pack on its head and complain of constant overclocking pains
Plugs for Disney partners will be throughout (i.e. Intel Inside)
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Good thing for bugmenot someone has already registered the link for us and latest newsflash tron guy gets a job!
I just hope they don't reuse the name Tron; do like Apocalypse Now did on a remake adding the word Redux to the title.
In my opinion, a lot of the appeal of the first movie was in the "Wow" factor of it. Computers were not nearly as ubiquitous as they are today. Video games were a huge rage, but still mostly confined to the arcade.
With all of the CGI enhanced movies being done today, great special effects won't have the same impact.
There will certainly be some draw based on nostalgia, however I think that will lead mostly to disappointment.
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A new movie. Like with new ideas. That'd be crazy.
Did Lucas call them up with an idea?
There is no mention of Jeff Bridges being considered.
Anyone know whether he's mentioned whether or not he'd do something like that from past interviews?
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Tron was such a classic. I always thought the movie aged "pretty" well considering. It would be interesting to see who they get to play Tron. Anybody but Orlando Bloom.
Oh yeah, and f/p
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You sick sad monkeys. Leave it alone. Go remake one of your other crappy movies. Like oh...Snow White or Sleeping Beauty.
I think this is an excellent idea, another example of Disney's new groundbreaking philosophy. A groundbreaking... sequel. Get Eddie Murhpy in to do some voices, add a breakfast cereal tie-in, a trailer that only airs in front of one of their other loser movies, a McDonald's meal toy, and you're well on your way to a Disney classic!
Almost forgot, better hire Pixar to do the actual movie itself, Disney only does cross-promotional advertising now...
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What will he say about it?
Better yet, will he be offered to play a part?
I guess the graphics will be updated so much so that they won't look as fantastically "false" as they did originally. It was a subject so well suited to early CGI, that the new stuff doesn't cut it. Maybe this is one case where better CGI is actually worse?
Will Jeff Bridges be in it?
On one hand Disney is part of the Evil Trinity (Disney, Microsoft and the Roman Catholic Church).
On the other hand Tron is still a great movie to watch. A decent storyline, very good graphics (even by todays standards), action, mystery, the works.
I'm so confused.
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"Hey, this Frisbee brand disc really gives me the game I need to win! All kids should have one of these!"
"This re-engergizing river takes just like crisp refreshing Sprite!"
"Back home, I had a game on my Microsoft X-Box 2 that was just like this Tron bike race!"
Hey, Disney, lay off for a while, so our kids can grow up!
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I find it intruiging. Allways exciting to see what the new technology can bring into the movie. And this one is extra interesting I think. Would love to see how they handle this one.
Why don't they make a sequel? There is no reason to go back and muck around with a film that doesn't need mucking around with.
For those that don't know, the film was named after the computer command 'Trace on' (as opposed to Troff).
Looking at the current situation, will Disney call it Pr0n?
For any tron fans out there, buena vista interactive and disney partnered to make the game "Tron 2.0". The game not only beautiful, it has multiplayer/net lightcycles that're a total hoot. It's totally worth the $40, especially if you've always been a tron fan. The game is available for Mac OS as well as windows.
Although the 3D engine is the HL engine (not sure though), they spent a *lot* of time on the solo-play story line, a very unique gameplay feel, and visual detail. If you look at some of the screenshots, they did a great job of replicating the tron world, using textures in very creative and interesting ways.
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Cripes. Fantastic Four and Elektra coming out this year, probably another Batman and who knows what else.
Yet it seems the most successful super hero pic was the Incredibles, which wasn't preceded by a comic.
At least March 30th is coming along...
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I loved Tron because they used really good design to overcome the extremely low-tech tools they had at their disposal. The result was a "inside the computer" world that looked computer-like.
Now we have movies like The Matrix, where they go inside a computer and it looks like San Francisco.
I hope the new Tron remake doesn't got too overboard and make things look too 'realistic.' I'm kind of sick of CGI that looks real. I have real every day.
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Also, see other posts about "new movies" with "new ideas".
And yeah, Pixar. But these intelligent chimps already decided not to keep distributing Pixar's product. I'll bet the re-sign bonus would break Disney's reserves.
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Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
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How about doing orginal stories? Seems those have done fairly well, particularly for Pixar, which when well done lead the audience into uncharted territory and are far more interesting.
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These days, it may seem that Disney is nothing but crap merchants, but they used to have a quality period. Back in the days of The Black Hole, and The Barefoot Executive, Disney was known for quality dialog and compelling drama. A remake of Tron promises to rekindle the spirit of Disney quality in a whole new generation.
For open source. Linus should play Tron.
Hey if the Hollywood mincemeat machine has it's way, a game would come out and it would probably look just like Armagetron.
Bill Gates should play MCP. "MCP" sounds alarmingly like a Microsoft "Cert" doesn't it?
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I know at one point I remember reading that this was being considered, and that Pixar might be involved. I recall that one of the high-up designers at Pixar said that Tron is the reason he got into the business, and that he'd love an opportunity to remake it.
I dunno if that'll happen, but I think there's a good chance it would end up a much better flick if Pixar ran with it. I'd be very curious to see what they could do.
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Yet another story to be laid to ruins
Reboot was a more "fun" idea of computers. Should just make THAT into a movie, rather than spoiling an old classic.
I liked tron, but I can't see how they'll retain the "feel" of the original. I won't say it's impossible, but it just seems like they're setting people up for disappointment.
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I hope that if Tron does get remade, the original synthesized & live orchestra blended musical score is kept. If you can find the CD, it's a blast to listen to (except for a few crappy Journey songs)
BTW, Wendy Carlos composed the sound track to Tron. She is also well know for doing the synthesized music in "A Clockwork Orange" and "The Shining"
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There are some movies where, ok, it's such a work of art, or the story is such a classic, you can almost understand some director wanting to try his hand at it. It's like going to see Romeo and Juliet done by a different director: same story, different treatment.
But, c'mon, Tron stands just fine on its own. Watch the 20th Anniversary DVD and tell me, really, is it so out of date? Does it make you cringe? Or is it a perfectly fine movie?
So why remake it? Why not do a sequel instead? Is that so far-fetched?
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It won't be Tron without light cycles, Recognizers and those nifty asymetric tanks!
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So several us guys, feeling kind of annoyed, went out and saw TRON. Evil Master Control Program and all that. Cray-1 cameo. We were pumped. We'll show them!
I saw it three more times that month. It remains the only movie I've seen more than once when it came out.
Within a week it was all cleared up. I never found out what the arrangement was. Presumably I didn't have the "need to know" cough cough.
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I'm confused. Hollywood Stock Exchange has been selling Tron 2.0 stock since September '99.
That's 2.0, not a remake.
They claim the director of Tron is writing the screenplay.
I really hope the HSX is right. Especially since I bought 50,000 shares @ $4.29.
Tron Reloaded?
Didn't we already get a remake?
Wasn't it called "The Matrix" ?
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I had heard that they put the movie plans on hold shorty before the game's release and then when the game didn't sell as well as expected they dropped the idea of a movie completely.
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The computer animated series Reboot was the first to introduce the purple game cube. It appears Mainframe let the rights to that phrase slip away to Nintendo, and Nintendo might sue if any future Reboot has a "game cube".
I've heard they have tapped the Banzai Buddy to play the bad guy.
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Interesting. Certainly moreso than I think a Tron remake could be.
I liked tron, but I can't see how they'll retain the "feel" of the original. I won't say it's impossible, but it just seems like they're setting people up for disappointment.
The old movie only works for me as 'camp', like watching B horror flix from the 50's. You can choose to laugh when a shoe sticks out from under the monster suit just like when you hear outdated 'jargon', or terms which were made up by writers who thought computers were only big boxes with flashing lights a reels of tape, which are seriously dated.
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I look at this a little differently than most of the posters so far. This could be absolutely terrible, which is a definite possibility given that Disney is doing it (without Pixar, for that matter :).
However, if it does end up being good and have a halfway decent story, it will bring a story that many of us have enjoyed for a long time to a new generation of fans. How many kids out there do you know of that have watched Tron? What about Cloak and Dagger? D.A.R.Y.L? These are classic movies that most people won't see unless they're redone and released again in theaters.
I'm looking forward to taking my niece to the movie, and having another 'geek' movie to watch with my wife (she LOVES LoTR). It's going to be tough to make it as good as the original, but I think that's fine as long as it's not completely awful.
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They already have remade Tron. It got mixed reviews, although the consensus is that the quality and enjoyability dropped as the trilogy continued.
It was called "The Matrix". Anyone who doubts me can just compare the avatar of Neo's end boss in Revolutions to that of the Master Control Program in Tron.
If i recall correctly the main problem faced by Tron was to defeat the dreaded MCP(Master Control Program). In Tron 2 or Tron "reloaded" as i will call it, tron will be faced with a new evil... The MCP(Microsoft Certified Professional). with his minimum salary being 60k + a year with no exp. he will be tough to stop!
More often then not, these remakes (as well as the many gawdawful tv-to-film projects) are nothing more than blatant cash grabs that can be easily sold to production companies based on the fact that the fan base has already been established. Like many memorable movies, Tron was a success because it was incredibly creative as well as visually stunning for its time. In the same way that Star Wars and the first of the Matrix flicks blew fans away, it was showing us something we'd never seen before, and so we were captivated.
I hope that the new film will not be so much a remake as a new creative spin on the same general theme... but I have my doubts. (Now, if Lucas hijacked the project, injected some comedy relief in the form of a wisecrackin' RAM chip with a speech impediment ... PURE GOLD, BABY!)
When the credits list Clippy as a co-star you know we're in trouble:
"It looks like you're trying to stop the evil chess program, would you like to..."
I wonder if he'll be voiced by the same guy that did Jar-Jar.
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Sometimes nostalgia is crap.
Tron was a really sh1te movie with a few nifty ideas - that was it. It was a sign of it's times, but was in no ways "revolutionary" - it was lame.
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You know the scene where Tron is on that boat-like thing that rides the laser? if you watch the landscape you can see a GIANT mickey mouse head outlined. It's bigger than the screen; it moves from right to left and it's a lighter blue than the ground. It's just a big circle with two smaller circles but it's definitely mickey's profile.
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the then-vs-now for computer graphics animation than it will be as a movie per se. [it was hard to swallow then as a story] When I went to SigGraph in Boston in '82, it was more like a sci-fi con than a computing conference or trade show: young comp. graphics geeks all had tron on the brain and were very impressed withourselves despite how crude the technology was.
in Pixar was pretty much a gleam in Ed Catmull's eye back then. Tron was a technicolor collage of animation from a whole zoo of hacked graphic engines and computers like the Foonlee, none of which could out-draw a low end NVIDIA product nowadays.
But with the Disney-Pixar divorce, how are they going to draw this thing?
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The only way this could really be successful is if the new Tron has the Master Control Program (aka Disney) as te hero and the User (Jeff Bridges 2.0) as the bad guy. It would also be great if the movie release could coincide with the lauch of some new DRM law or something...
Everytime I hear of a remake of some film I loved, a little part of me dies. I can only imagine that this is going to end up like the bastard lovechild of Hackers and The Matrix. However, with worse writing.
They could really screw it up, which I am suprised they did not do in the first place. In real Disney style they could add: 1) Dancing and singing after every scene. 2) Little kid jokes and "potty" comedy. 3) Add some sort of Man saves Woman, like every other disney flick! (hmmmm.. I always wondered why there are so many disfunctional relationships) 4) Put lots of advertisments for Apple Computer and Coke throughout the movie in "discrete" places. I am sure the main character will probably be using a Sony Vaio or Apple Macintosh and be wearing a Coke t-shirt or you will see Coke containers on tables with the logo always towards the camera. 5) Microsoft could slip in an Advertisment for the X - Box, with X-Box live playing a Disney Game ;)
Then they could finish junking it up by writing an awfull script and paying top name actors and actresses to play in a real stinker of a film. Eddie Murphy could play the computer hacker who gets sucked in, Making it a great film in the likes of Lawn Mower Man II. He could then tell bad jokes written by the best disney writers.
Besides Pirates of the Carribean -- which I thought was a good film because of Jonny Depp -- Most modern films by Disney have not been too good IMHO.
I thought it was basically in the can.
I really hope it doesn't end up being a Spy Kid-like movie.
And don't forget a heroine who's a)drop dead gorgeous, b) possessed of a massive rack, and c) has at least one dead parent.
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I was at the biggest computer graphics lab in the world (NYIT/Westbury) at the time Tron was announced, instantly making us #2. Though Disney produced only a few cumulative minutes of digital FX for the movie, they launched the "CGI" industry which has served them so well since. I'd love to see them repeat that watershed event. Let's see them do something in distributed rendering that puts Toy Story back in its box. Or a revolution in the front end for animators communicating with the machines, HCI that makes the mouse, and even the stylus/tablet, look like a 20th Century relic. C'mon, Mickey, let's get it on!
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Tron Revolutions? More like Tron Tron Revolution!
Bring back Jeff Bridges. He may be up to doing more Tron stuff. He single-handedly redeemed the film anyway. He has had nothing but good things to say about his memories of making the film and added some great, interesting insight in the DVD interviews. www.JeffBridges.com is one of the most creative websites on the Internet by the way...nearly completely handwritten. Lisberger's original script is the most original screenplay I've ever read. A Tron remake would obviously stick to elements that made the orginal so interesting, but like any remake will undoubtedly make its own statement.
The plot of Tron revolved around a monolithic corporate entity that absorbed intellectual property from sources all over the world, protected itself with a restrive and overpowered security model subject to hackers, destroyed the creative spirit of individuals, and twisted the vision of its creators to suit its own ends.
If there's a studio more qualified than Disney to write that story, I don't know who it is.
"We are contemporizing it, taking these ideas that were ahead of the curve and applying them to the present, and we feel the film now has a chance to resonate with a young audience."
This is supposed to be a writer speaking?
Disney fired anyone who knew anything about storytelling.
So which computer game is it, Doom or Unreal?
Have homer in 3d space instead of whoever plays the game. but that wouldn't be too serious would it? well at least i have tried.
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Seriously, they should pick up off the story line and continue to develope what happens with the technology. I think how the video game Tron 2.0 did. Later years, Alen's kid gets trapped inside. That should be whats done. This will allow new ideas to flurish a bit and also give a sense of how complex things are inside the computer with special effects magic.
Some possible ideas:
* Worms and virii killing programs. OOoh gory effects but all electronic.
* Internet travel.
* Perhaps teach actual things in how a computer works but make it more exciting (Yeah I know.)
* Technology developes further but goes out of control spilling in to the real world. (Way out there but still a neat idea.)
Also what operating system will they base things off of? The video game was strongly DOS'ish in it's references at times with security programs battle crying for the C drive. The movie seemed like a custom os'sh in a way.
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Why?
"...who search the reason of things
Are those who bring the most sorrow on themselves." --Euripides, The Medea
In October of 1989, the screenwriter's guild sent out a secret memo stating that the last new movie idea had been written and used in a low budget action comedy starring Rick James and Abe Vigoda. Once the internet craze took off in the mid-90s, a scanned copy of it was posted on usenet, and from there, the world read about it. I suppose they could be wrong, but even so, they're the ones writing our movies, and if they believe it's true, well, then it is.
Robin Williams. Well, it is Disney and I'm sure someone there will be tempted do have the MCP in this version be like an evil version of the genie in Aladdin.
BTW: Great job, guys.
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I thought for sure you were going to say Microsoft. I think it would be more apropos. Besides, ENCOM is pretty close spelling-wise to ENRON.
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and we feel the film now has a chance to resonate with a young audience."
Danger, Will Robinson!
Brian Klugman, if you're lurking, take a page from the Pixar notebook, and write a movie that will appeal to adults. The kids will get it, really. They're a lot smarter than most people in Hollywood give them credit for.
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A sequal would be MUCH better than a remake. If the original guy who did Tron 1 is not involved I would imagine we'll see a cheap rip off.
Now when they make "Old Yeller and the Black Hole" then I'll get excited.
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Let's us all pool our moneys together and remake Citizen Kane!
Come on, who's with me?
Just imagine what we could do with all all the special effects of nowdays, AND make it in color!!!
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How dazzlingly creative. Someone else decides to twist an 80's classic (Battlestar Galactica) into cheap, 15 year old D&D addict eye candy, so now Disney feels envious and does the same. We're not talking about making the MCP throw the frisbee first here, like the typical George Lucas devilry. We're talking about having Ben Affleck play Flynn. I never thought Tron was a great movie, and the stupid nerd humor is annoying, but there's no chance at all that Disney can fix the past by letting some new screenwriter whose experience with computers includes Word and Outlook re-write the movie. Have you people forgotten already what happened to Planet of the Apes?
I think TRON looks perfect the way it is. The old-school hand-shaded computer graphics look awesome. It's the first thing I think of when someone says "CGI." If they are smart they'll keep the look just as they kept it with the new video game.
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My favorite scene is at the end when the helicopter takes off above the lit-up city and the whole thing turns into a circuit-board looking schematic. I still have a thing for looking at cities at night out of tall buildings
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I hope they give him a part - he already has his own costume....
I never saw it when it came out. I played the games, but never saw the movie. I finally watched it a few years ago, and, wow, was it awful. Almost unwatchable. It's not the tech that dates it; the tech has a pleasnt retro-feel ot it. But the movie itself is horrendous: disjointed, simplistic, wooden acting, random plot, too much faux techno-babble. Ugh.
In the new Tron, the Master Control Program is the good guy, and is besieged by shadowy terrorist pirates who wish to destroy it and replace its rights-management regime with open-source communism.
Actually, in many more ways it was a movie about a god venturing incarnate into the world.
"Do you believe in the users?"
"Of course! I mean, if there are no users, then...who wrote me?"
The oh-so transparent metaphors of atheism versus belief in a higher power are draped all over the movie.
Am I the only Slashdotter who has never seen more than 5 minutes of Tron? I went to college in the first town nuked in Wargames, but I haven't seen enough of Tron to even know whether it has a plot, much less what that might be. In fact, I've seen more cumulative time of Family Guy spoofs of Tron than I have of the movie itself. Tell me I'm not alone!
I saw on TV the author (Stephen Lisberger) talking about it at the time of release.
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The closest I can find on the web is this:
"AM: The computer images in TRON were generated on a Visual Display Unit?
SL: Yeah, well they were generated on a CRT. What happens is that we lay in the blue prints using two different systems. On one we lay in the blue prints by byte pad and a cursor and the blue prints are traced into the computer which understands things in x, y, z space. You give it multiple tracings and it constructs the things in wire frame and on top of this you have programmes, algorithms for laying in, covering the surfaces with polygons and then you determine the point of view, and positioning, and light source, and then you can actually get the computer to show you the object or the environment from whichever angle you want to see it. The computer gives you back what its calculations represent on a high-resolution CRT, a little TV, and then you film off one frame at a time using a motion picture camera. The other system we used is exactly the same in the whole second half but up front it's different because, instead of tracing objects, you construct objects by combining sunprogrammes for geometrical shapes. It's as if you have building blocks which can be put together additively or subtractively in the computer and the shapes then become whole programmes. Then the computer goes through all the same things with the position and so on."
which shows where he got the name from (lot's of tron and troff when doing it, I bet).
Found here: http://www.tron-sector.com/articles/article.aspx?
in videogame form, which is slightly ironic. Its one of the best games I've played (although a tad difficult) on the PC and easily the best looking game I've played.
The game is over a year old, so new video cards can easily handle it 1600x800.
The game has a decent story and lots of Tron nostalgia. To me, the sequel will have to compare to the game more than the first movie.
Disney loves to keep it real. Real dumb.
It's tragic. Laugh.
They seem to purposely make *the worst* sequels EVER ("Jaws" series not withstanding) and then when the piles of cow poop don't sell, they blame internet piracy.
Alanis Morrisette seemed to have the same idea - make a crappy album and then blame the internet when nobody bought it.
Disney loves to make sequels. they're still foaming at the mouth about the chance to make Toy Story III...
The Foonly F1 was used in the making of TRON and Flight of the Navigator.
Lisp machines have played a part in the making of some movies.
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Many of the people who worked at III (off the top of my head - Larry Malone, Craig Reynolds, Dave Dyer, Barton Gawboy, and a few others I can't remember) went on to work at Symbolics, most of them on the S-Graphics products. Particularly noteworthy is Larry Malone's S-Geometry. He modeled all the ships in TRON using his own polygon-based software, which was pretty revolutionary back then (to contrast, the light cycles were made using parametrically defined curves, which has been the standard technique in movies up until just a few years ago, and is now starting to be replaced by the polygon approach). I believe S-Geometry was the first 3d package to use subdivison surfaces as well."
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Many of the shorts produced in "The Minds Eye"* were produced on Symbolics (LISP) Machines.
*Does anyone know if this is available on DVD?
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I for one am sad to see that Disney is so lacking
in talent and creativity that they can only exist by making cheap and sleazy knockoffs of things they did in the 50's and 60's. The formula seems to be, take a 50's picture, add a bit of crude language, and a bit of sleaze and re-release it as a "hit". The sooner they get a new CEO the better. I miss Walt.
Please, oh please, have it be a comedy starring Jay Maynard!!!
I saw the names of the two writers credited with getting the screenplay gig, and figured I would look them up in IMDB to see what else they have written. That ought to be a pretty good predictor of what to expect, right?
Well, here's the results:
So Disney is hiring two writers with practically no experience to work on a property that has been dead for 20+ years. My guess is that you should not expect the finished product to rival the LoTR trilogy :-)
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Our hero Flynn has just released his disk to cut-off the MCP, when just before it gets there it gets B.S.O.D.ed and returns a divide by 0 error.
Better luck in another 15 years Flynn.
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"Sequels to cult movies aren't guaranteed successes anyway; what about the sequel to 2001, 2010? That flopped."
I'm waiting for the sequal to "The Rocky Horror Picture Show".
So in the first 5 minutes we will see the tron guys mom be killed by someone evil?
The first time that I saw Tron, I was on four hits of acid, the movie was recorded on a tape at LP (4 hour) speed, and the VCR only played SP (2 hour) speed. That was a crazy night...
Back in the 80s there was a Movie with Fred Savage called "The Wizard" Based off of Pinball Wizard. Now a new Tron movie made into a 2 hour long Microsoft Comerical. Arrrrgggg!!
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
that they can't make it worse than the original.
Do you have ESP?
Yah, they should do Logan's Run
It no longer has an entry on IMDB, but a remake of Logan's Run is still in the works for X-Men director Bryan Singer. See this interview on Ain't It Cool News. He's planning to do Logan's Run after Superman Returns
While they're at it, Disney could come up with revolutionary front-ends to harness powerful LISP processors, so we don't have to wallow in "bubble bath" to use the power and expressiveness.
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make install -not war
Of course because Disney is involved everyone is a little worried, and I don't blame them, but I think that a good remake can be done.
Witness the recent remake of Battlestar Galactica and how nearly everyone who has seen it says that they are doing a killer job.
I don't doubt that doing justice to Tron will be hard but I've got more faith in this project than what is going to be come of Hitchhikers.
Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
In other news, Disney and the rest of the film industry has run out of ideas and is remaking all films. Does that mean this story is a dupe?
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If it will be nearly as successful as the re-release of Aladdin! or.. Beauty and the Beast!! or.. Little Mermaid!!
Disney is such a crap company.. 90% of their movies are screen-write of a well known fairy-tale, and the others that aren't were done with and mostly by Pixar..
The day Disney consitantly shows creativity and innovation is the day I'll pay attention to them..
The road between democracy and tyranny is paved with secrecy in the name of security.
As a seven year old fascinated by the new rage of computers and technology, I thought Tron for my Intellivision was awesome.
Back then it was cool to be smart. If you knew computers you were The Man.
It just isn't the same anymore after being dumbed down to the point that the clueless masses are clogging up the Internet.
I think they should make this movie realistic and reflect technology in modern times. They should stick to the plot of the first movie and re-shoot it scene for scene, but add tens of thousands of extras who do nothing but get in the way of the camera, walk around each scene and get in the actors' way. Oh, and have the motorcycle scene congested with traffic and have some of extras driving the wrong way with "AOL" emblazoned on the side of their bikes.
Just like you can't "remake" the mona lisa into something better, just because acrylic paint came out, you can't "remake" TRON just because technology got better.
"Sternthal told the trade paper that the new conceit is that the computer programmer gets trapped in a cyberworld, so that the film can utilize the Internet."
That's not TRON. That has nothing to do with the movie TRON. If they call it TRON, they're retarded.
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Ok, it's on order. :-) Thanks for the reck.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
If only he weren't cryogenically frozen under Disneyworld.
In all seriousness, Disney is in serious financial trouble, and deserves to be. Its last few animated features have been massive flops, so it decided to close down its in-house animation studios (as shocking as IBM selling off their PC division) and contract out. Its only recent hits have been from Pixar, and their exclusivity contract is close to over.
I am announcing that the Disney Corporation is dead and dying. Remaking a movie that made sense AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE two decades letter is a miserable idea. The Tron 2.0 PC game was a bad idea too, but poor PC translations of movies are somehow the norm and accepted.
It simply wasn't timeless like some movies. It was very good when it came out. But it was timely, and when it's time passed, it well... sucked. Not taking nostagia into consideration, which makes many lame things seem nice.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
Thanks for the links to the WOTW trailers.
I tried (briefly)looking for them a while ago, but couldn't find them.
I'm so excited about this movie, and I hope it receives a good recepcion in US, so people will finally see that a good movie can be made without Spielberg and Cruise.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
cartoons, and children books?
Looks at what hollywood is churning out:
- fat albert
- fantastic four
- electra
- charly and the choclet factory
- harry potter
- flight of the phoenix
- lord of the rings (?)
- starwars (okay, prequel)
- another spiderman
- another batman
- another blade
- meet the fockers
- polar express
- lemony snickets
- ocean's twelve
- I Robot (?)
Hardly a new idea anywhere. I guess there are a few original ideas, but there does seem to be a lot of re-hashing of old ideas.
Tron was a crap movie that just happened to come out at the right time to be 'special' ... I sincerely doubt a remake will be profitable, with the special factor gone, we're left with a crap premise.
"No no no no no no no"
-Bit
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Excuse me if I'm wrong, but no Disney heroine has a massive rack.
Jasmine had a handful at best. Not that they're real.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
That writer's guild strike must be hitting them harder than I thought.
What if they, like, didn't use someone in the guild? I mean, what if they just read a script and decided for themselves if it was good or bad.
Risk money to make money?
Hunh?
The Tronguy!
"We're sorry, but the website you're trying to reach has been disconnected."
http://www.tron-sector.com/images/troncostl.jpg
by the way microsoft is the greatest company ever!
"contemporizing"
Blecch.
If you're going to rape a word, apologize afterwards.
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
Homer: Did anyone see that movie "Tron"?
Marge: No
Bart: No
Wiggum: No
Patty: No
Lisa: No
Selma: No
Wiggum: Yes....I mean no... no.
Of course, this will give rise to the "Imagine a Beowolf cluster of..." posts.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
This is a ridiculous idea, though not surprising considering how desperate Disney is for a new hit in their post-Pixar world. Few of the special effects in Tron were actually computer generated. Instead a special process was developed and was all applied by hand to each frame of the film (using an army of Chinese workers.. an early example of outsourcing). The end result was beautiful and could not be easily replicated today. Story and bad acting aside, this is one of the most beautiful films out there, and I just know they're going to turn it into a lackluster parade of CG. And something tells me Moebius won't be on-board this time to provide amazing art direction.
Check out the Tron DVD, there's a lot of fascinating information about its unique production. It's also interesting to see how vastly Disney as a corporate culture has changed in 20 years, from a company that encouraged innovation, to a company that inhibits it.
I think Aint-it-cool-news reported that in the remake Jeff Bridges's character will seeking for proof in the existence of global warming instead of "users". Standing in his way are swarms of intelligent agents, viruses, trojan horses, malicious ActiveX scripts, and other evil programs developed and uploaded by oil companies, the Every Life is Precious Foundation, and Karl Rove.
Alternate movie titles:
.9b (The Beta Prequels)
TRON Unleashed
Return of Tron
TRON: CPU Strikes Back
TRON
TRONS: The Bits Are Back!
iTron: The Movie (marketed by Pixar sister company)
OST: "TRON: Bits' Brew" (posthumous soundtrack by Miles Davis)
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PSYNC (or how Disn3y plans to make more of the same, just worse)
--- Das einzige, das wir zu fürchten haben, ist die Furcht selbst.
Just because they did a terrible job the first time does NOT mean they should try again.
So, what, is Disney finding the public domain well starting to get a bit dry, and they have to dip into their own stories?
Computers had a lot different feel in the early 80s, and Tron really did hook into that feel. I don't see it working today.
Cue nerd humor.
Except the MCP hasn't cleaned up dead processes yet, so the dead parents are zombies!
--Rob
Towards the Singularity.
Or, to put it another way, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and some stink worse than others.
So... what you meant to say was that I don't share your taste. That's a feature, not a bug.
Mail? Put "slashdot" in the subject to pass the spam filters.
After this and this.
Lars T.
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Along with the usual viruses, etc as bad guys, I'm sure they'll find some way to turn this into 105-minute infomercial on the evils of software piracy/copyright theft.
"that's the shared directory. only virii live there. avoid it at all costs."
Will they go so far as to try making the big, evil corporation computer into the good guy?
If the remake is directed by...
M Night Shyamalan:
*You find out in the end the main hero was in the computer ALL ALONG
*The bad guys in the story are weak vs. water, which COVERS 75% OF THE EARTH'S SURFACE for pete's sake.
*Protagonist sees webpages where the rest of sees 503 Forbidden's.
Ok, now your turn. Post what-ifs if directed by your fav director.
... like American Psycho. :-) Set it in the '80s. Seriously though, if they set it in the same time period and made occasional remarks about what's technologically "impossible" or things that never happened but were expected "in the '90s," it could be fun.
If they try to go action / adventure with this, I see it in the $5 bin at WalMart a few months after the release.
Here is my guess as to the lameness that will be Tron 2.0 ....
-Oversaturated and fakey-looking CGI.
-super extreme soundtrack w/ extreme rock and rockin hiphop in lieu of the classic score by Wendy Carlos.
-super extreme battle fung-fu inspired by the matrix series in place of elements of adventure + wonder.
Viola! more disney crap.
...think the older one was better.
South Park already did this...
Flynn = Jesus
so making a sequel would be a bit like making a sequel to the bible
..I think, "The Black Hole" is a much better candidate for a remake. Only, please, don't let Disney do it.
Wouldn't it be cool if Ridley Scott did it?
I would detest a remake. I would rather see a version 2.0. Now that the system is open within itself and through the modem towers, how does it react when it's then connected to the Internet? Can you tell when your a program and you move from a slower system to a faster system? What's it like to be a program on Bit Torrent? But remaking? I don't know.
Gorkman
Lets see:
1) The MCP was a bloated resource-hogging program that acted like an OS even though it couldn't stop unprivledged programs from accessing the hardware directly.
2) The MCP copied and incorporated independant application programs into itself before destroying them.
3) The MCP's enemy was TRON, a security program whose developer was repremanded for not bundling it into the MCP.
4) A buffer overflow in a game gave three processes unrestricted access to the whole system.
5) The MCP attempted to protect itself by allowing one process to suck up all available system resources and grow to unmanageable proportions.
6) File recognizers frequently crashed, corrupting the system.
7) Users were not permitted to interact with the programs they were running.
8) The company server was infested with viruses.
9) According to Dillenger and the MCP, the company existed solely for the benefit of the MCP, all other concerns were secondary.
10) Once the MCP was removed, system performance returned to normal.
I hereby nominate Jay Maynard for the lead role.
Of course, that would guarantee that the remake would have an R rating...
IBM vs TRON (the clone wars)
--- Das einzige, das wir zu fürchten haben, ist die Furcht selbst.
I hope "Bit" is a qubit this time around. Wait. What will his answers be? Instead of "yes" or "no," can we expect a statement of probability? Maybe they'll dumb it down a bit (har) and have all Qubit's answers be "maybe."
Or maybe it will just have fancy lightcycles again.
Perhaps Disney is just doing this as another crappy remake of a classic to be released solely on home video.......I dunno. They could probably just force the "Land Before Time" plot and the "Tron" plot to converge and digitize Littlefoot in a vain effort to battle the MCP. Seriously, however, I question if Disney is really going to turn out with anything fresh in the next couple of years. All that they seem to be doing is making crappy re-makes or sequels to concepts that they dreamed up ten or twenty years ago (although most of their famous cartoons are folk stories that were dreamt up millions of years ago).
They've replaced all the guns with walkie talkies?
... wait ... never mind.
Oh
"While they're at it, Disney could come up with revolutionary front-ends to harness powerful LISP processors..."
Hehe. What powerful LISP processors?* There hasn't been a dedicated LISP processor in over two decades. Even the Alpha is dead (OpenGenera). It's all "commodity" processors now, and while those work for small scale LISP implimentations. Doing enterprise stuff would tax even them (Yes I know about Orbitz. They had to cheat a little to get things to work. And Yahoo Store is changing to PHP I believe).
*Yes I'm currently evaluation a good "commodity" processor". The MIPS line looks good so far.
You know what'd be crazy ?
A new movie. Like with new ideas. That'd be crazy.
Or perhaps better yet, a movie version of an old but precient and still topical story.
Like, for instance, Vernor Vinge's _True Names_?
Now THERE's a cyberspace masterpiece. (And unless I'm mistaken it's the FIRST cyberspace masterpiece.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
sounds like they're changing the story a bit
Of course they are. The original Tron didn't feature the uber profitable franchise featuring the lovely Disney Princesses.
Cinderella: "Kiss me, you animatronic Adonis!"
Sleeping Beauty: "No, kiss me!"
Little Mermaid Ariel: (silence, on account of having her voice put in a locket) Wink, wink, wiggle.
Belle: "My boyfriend's back, and he's gonna kick your ass!"
Jasmine: "Your boyfriend is a freak."
(Catfight ensues. The genie teleports all the princesses inside a computer game, where they participate in gladitorial combat. Sleeping Beauty surprisingly emerges the victor (turns out the dwarves were the sysadmins). She emerges from the game to sign a cross licensing agreement with Fox to promote a new crossover fantasy/reality show: The Bachelorette Princess. She happily scrubs floors, darn socks, and other menial housework for the Princely contestants. The first contestant to ask her to stop groveling will win.)
Produced by Steven Lisberger: writter/director of the original movie. It's a sequel (development title is Tron 2.0) Lisberger is writing the current (third) draft of the screenplay.
"show me all the blueprint show me all the blueprint show me all the blueprints"
Well, presumably, they can't forbid you to watch the original instead.
Tron I = The Passion of Flynn
;-) Pick one.
TRON II = The Second Coming of Flynn.
I've been thinking about a plot for that for years! Flynn needs to get as many programs as possible "backed up" before a global re-format to wipe out the binary super-virus that Dillinger/Sark/MCP have designed in his 20 years in prison for embezzlment and IP violations.
Then Flynn and Alan Bradley (get it?) re-install the programs on an entirely new OS.
And for fun, Tron gets help from a friendly program called "NO-TRON" , iconized by a guy in a button down oxford with his arms crossed, who uses his set of "Utilities" to help clean up corrupt programs.
No, I don't mean "Viruses" I mean multiple instances of computer virus. Give up kicking a dead horse.
virii
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I liked tron, but I can't see how they'll retain the "feel" of the original. I won't say it's impossible, but it just seems like they're setting people up for disappointment.
Perhaps that's why TFA says: (emphasis added)
Sigh. I swear, sometimes the jokes just make themselves.
(By the way, who else is impressed by this demonstration of groundbreaking originality? I mean, like, wow -- who could have ever imagined that a modern-day remake of the TRON story might involve The Internet?! How do they come up with this stuff?)
David Gould
main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
Ok, so it may not equal t3h suX0rz, but I think Lucas has all made us sufficiently wary of that word as to equate the word "remake" to "buytheoriginalnowbecauseyou'llneverseeitagain"
You need a FREE iPod Nano
...pleeeease...
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but no Disney heroine has a massive rack.
Ever seen Disney's "Pocahontas"? That's Disney's idea of a family film: A love story about a 27 year old man and a girl of 11 or 12 who has a massive rack.
there does seem to be a lot of re-hashing of old ideas
But with creepier actors and bigger explosions.
-- Microsoft is the most expensive commodity operating system and office suite vendor in the marketplace.
wonder how they're going to do product placement in this film.
Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
There was an MCP Virgina and still is.
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/ clearpath__plus__mcp/operating__environment.htm
Master Control Program has been around since 1958, and was the first commercial high language OS (written in Algol, the great granddaddy of C).
http://users.rcn.com/hwbingham/security.htm
MCP was the OS that ran Burroughs' mainframes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_Corporatio
And it STILL is out there on the ClearPath systems.
http://www.unisys.com/products/clearpath__servers
MCP lives, and it likely processed some of your financials or government data.
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I've never been to Chicago, so I'm curious - how is it obviously meant to be set there when they go to great pains to not specify?
I mean, yes, it clearly wasn't set in Sydney despite being filmed there (despite the distracting recognisability of a lot of the locations), but why Chicago over any other randomly selected large-ish inner-city area?
cause I hear they will feature this guy as the main character.
You can't handle the truth.
I second this... I just finished the game a day ago, and it was most excellent.
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Story-wise, I'd have to say, it beats Half-Life 2.
Want some nice live story sequences ? It beats those of Half-Life 2 (though the timing sometimes was a bit off).
Facial expressions/motion ? They're in TRON 2.0
Want to race the lightcycles or even better the NEW lightcycle ? TRON 2.0 has it, and though difficult to play sometimes it looks awesome.
The graphics were also pretty good - though it's hard to mess up a world of mostly glowing lines.
As another posted pointed out.. ending was a bit disappointing, and I had actually expected it to continue in the real world outside the computer - just for a little bit.
Oh, and the intro - simple as it is - is pretty cool, especially with the music. I guess it pays off to have some actual movie producers and actors in on the game (no pun intended).
Oh.. and pick it up at the bargain bin. That's what it has been doomed to already. Picked mine up for ~$3 (3.50EU)
As far as the system, programs were being integrated into one to make a better system.
Now look at the end, the security system was disabled by Tron, you see see all the I/O towers light up, without the MCP elite to govern it all who knows what was going on then. (not to mention the havoc of who knows how many systems the MCP took over -and subsequently crashed at the end- unbenownst to Dillinger.)
If I were scripting the movie I would start off with the feds finishing up the investigation of Encom what the MCP was doing and move on into Flynn working on reviving the MCP - seeing the opportunities of such a competent proven AI. (also throw in some intrigue, something like Tron being under attack by worms or infected with a Virus that makes him Dillinger evil, then youve got a movie for the 2000s.)
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
maybe now I can get a light cycle for the original action figures I'm pretty sure a tucked away in a closet.
Funny when I think about it now, that's the one Tron toy I don't recall coming out, or I never got a chance to get one for some reason.
That, and I bought my son a Millineum Falcon...Just so he'd leave mine alone! Mine! dammit! My toy, mine, mine, mine!!!
(Sadly his is cooler and has blinky lights and sounds...oooo blinky lites).
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Disney knows what they're doing! Each time they remake a movie, they make it better and better! Just like the fucking Freaky Friday movies!
- Danny
You forgot that the hero will be black and obnoxious.
There will also be a beautiful, overly serious, and insanely violent chick worked in somehow.
(yawn)
Proverbs 21:19
I very much liked the episodes of Reboot that I saw --- dumbing down for a children's program aside, what I saw of it had some very good writers.
I think my favourite segment was the satire of Gilbert & Sullivan's I am the very model of a modern major general . The revised lyrics are brilliant.
When you've got "Spy Kids 3D"?
All of a sudden, Slashdotters are looking at SF movies (Tron) and shows (original Star Trek) made 20 or 30 years ago, and calling them "low tech. Very silly. The effects used then were the best effects available at the time. I'm sure The Matrix will look just as "low tech" in 30 years.