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Yahoo Ups Mail to Match Google's Gig
Bruce Young writes "Yahoo said late Tuesday that it will provide 1 gigabyte of storage for each free e-mail account. The current limit is 250 megabytes. The expanded storage which will be available in mid-April will enable Yahoo to catch up with online search engine leader Google. "
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Now I can save my vmware os to the internet and run it at work
what are the ads like for a yahoo email account? by comparison, is google much better (because of the tame text ads?)
... will there mail service still suck? Ive had to respond to more than a few cries for help from people that use Yahoo. Its a mess.
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Yahoo have apparently denied that it is trying to beat Google at it's own game but said that it reflected the way subscribers are using email...umm, sure...we believe you..
...that means more room for all the spam, pr0n and other guff I get cos of using my yahoo account to 'register' for stuff. Even better - I only have to visit it once a year or even every two to empty it all out. Superb, cheers Yahoo!
Yahoo got that yet? Last i checked they didn't, which means you got to go through all of Yahoo's webmail interface.
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So Yahoo, you want me as a customer? Here's what you have to do:
* remove those nasty ads
* filter spam better
* add POP3 access back (you were one of the first free online mailers with POP3, then you removed it so that people would use your crappy ad-full interface)
* (and speaking of which) improve your web interface to (at least) Google standards
When you're done, let me know and I just might give up my nice gmail account.
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Well that seems to be a big middle finger to Yahoo!'s paying Mail Plus users. I wonder if they're not going to try to offer something extra to them as well. Right now is sounds like the only difference would be POP access and extra filters.
This is why competition is a good thing. Because of this, Microsoft and Yahoo upped their free webmail service to huge amounts of storage.
This is cool.
The expanded storage which will be available in mid-April will enable Yahoo to catch up with online search engine leader Google.
No, it won't.
GMAIL and Yahoo! mail have so much storage, I hear people are giving up on carrying around USB sticks and just using HTTP mail. I haven't heard of any security breaches where someone has had access to any appreciable number of files stored on their sites, but I suppose it's just a matter of time.
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Does this mean larger more *flashier* annoying ads that I have to nuke? Yahoo should team up with the CIA to run renditions similar to A Clockwork Orange's aversion therapy sans the classical music and replaced with super large happy smiley faces.
I am eagerly awaiting for the day they'd merge with oddpost. I don't need the gigs, I need the userablility and oddpost rocks.
Frankly, I prefer storing my mails on MY machine, I don't need that much space on a "pooblic" server.... I couldn't even saturate my hotmail account !?
So, well : who would need so much space on a server they might not trust ?
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Wonder if the fellow who wrote the Gmail File System will do an adaptation...
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There is still room for Google to get worse and yahoo to get better. Yahoo used to be in Google's shoes, and there is nothing to say that Google won't go the same way.
They have been promising an upgrade for long but still it is the sucky 2MB limit.
And their spam filter is the worst in business I think. I still hang to it since i have a nice lastname@hotmail.com account, and hope one they they will provide decent service...
Is the attachment size limit going to change?
Before you guys get in a huff about Yahoo! vs. Google mail services, it stands to reason that many of us have both, plus a hotmail account.
Yahoo upping online storage is a good thing for all of us.
From what I remmember, Yahoo has always had a rather uninteresting clunky interface. Google however has an amazing interface that I would almost prefer over Outlook Express. Furthermore google seems to do a lot better at filtering spam. My yahoo account used to always be filled with spam. Google however perfect. As much as I hate the fact that the internet is slowly morphing into the GoogleNet. I have to say they do a much better job.
Seriously, I only use Gmail as my email account but I use Yahoo's calendar and, I have been tempted to start using my account for emails.
here is The Register story, they add that paying customers will get 2 GB! (and also they extra family accounts), and it will now disinfect your attachments if they have viruses (it previously only scanned and warned you).
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This is great. Hopefully google/yahoo/hotmail will all add more inovative features and the same low low price (feeding you ads is the price you pay).
Computer companies do amazing things when there is competetion..
The fact that is has taken Yahoo this long to play catch-up says a lot more than we may initially think. Many argue that the secret to Google's success is its highly adaptable and powerfull hardware architecture. They can increase their storage capacity very quickly just by adding more machines to its cluster. Yahoo has nowhere near the same adaptability as Google.
so with a gig of space, it'll be even harder to find anything in my inbox on Yahoo. Their search is slow and just plain doesn't find things.
Whereas on google, a fast search can find any email.
Other than for marketing of course.
I personally will probably never fill 250mb, let alone a gig.
I love gmail for all its features that Yahoo just doesnt have. I love the searching through archived mail. I love the labels instead of folders. And I -love- the threaded conversation view.
Yahoo would have to come up with some pretty killer feature at this point for me to even look at it. Even if it matched the featureset, it's still slow and cluttered compared to Gmail. And even then, I trust google more with all my mail than I do Yahoo.
Basically, just upping to a gig from 250mb...I could see this maybe stopping some Joe Sixpacks who use Yahoo now from switching to Gmail, but anyone who has actually used Gmail will probably never switch to Yahoo. The goodness just isnt there.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Did anybody move to GMail just because of the 1GB limit? I was a YahooMail user and was waaaayyyy off the 250Mb limit. The attractiveness of GMail for me was the snappiness of the responses, the threaded email conversations and general clean UI. Cranking YahooMail up to a GB will not change any of this.
They still won't be as good as Google.. stop trying!
I disagree from a business perspective.
Lots of people will stay with yahoo mail because it is difficult to switch. If there is no benefit, then there is little reason to make the switch in the first place.
Competition is good. Now, they will start competing on other features and the consumer wins in the end.
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And that's just a start.
I don't respond to AC's.
There's more to Gmail than the 1GB account limit. The sooner that Microsoft, Yahoo and everyone else realise this the better.
I've had a Hotmail account for almost 10 years now (way before Microsoft got it hands on it) and a Gmail account for just under a year too. In the last three years Hotmail has been going backwards, especially with regards to interoperability with browsers other than MSIE (every iteration has broken something or another) and core features. It's clear that Microsoft's strategy is to push people to pay for the premium Hotmail Plus service and to do that it's happy to let the free service atrophy to the minimum possible standards. Meanwhile, with Gmail the focus seems to be on providing as good a HTML-based email application as possible.
I haven't had as much experience of Yahoo's mail service (I've got an account, but only because one was created automatically when I wanted to use another of their services) but from what I've seen it's little different to Hotmail.
Gmail wins vs Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, etc in so many ways. The interface, the features (message threads, labels, etc) are just superior to what the competition has to offer and it's these reasons rather than the default account size that makes Gmail the best at what it does.
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AT&T worldnet just raised their email storage limit from 10Mb to 25Mb. Woohoo.
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It's the functionality. To me, Gmail is more "stealthy" in its approach. It's just slick, fast, and doesn't force itself on me. "Labels" are truely innovative and implemented very well. "Search" is extremely flexible and useful. It is these features that help leverage the 1GB of storage into a really great tool.
Now, I admit that Yahoo does offer a very nice email service, and its features are very complete, but I simply cannot stand the ads. Gmail's unobtrusive ads are far better from a user's perspective.
Now, if Google would only fix their damned Forward function. If I receive a Rich Tect formatted or HTML formatted email, Gmail WILL NOT FORWARD IT without mangling the formatting (ie: it only forwards plain text.) This single problem prevents me from recommending Gmail to less-than-tech-savvy people, and unfortunatly, complaints and suggestions have fallen on deaf ears....
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In that sense you're right, but overall when comparing the two in terms of features and user-friendliness (from a new customer's perspective) I think Google wins out, I don't think Yahoo could really catch up now. But competetion is good, for sure.
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Instead of Yahoo Ups Mail to Match Google's Gig
Try Yahoo Ups Mail to Match Google's Giggle
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Spymac (http://www.spymac.com) has free 1 GB email accounts and free 100 MB online storage ala .Mac. Paying customers ($39.95 annual, I think) get 3 GB email accounts and 250 MB online storage. THere are other extras too that make them worth a look.
Now you can use your Yahoo account to store porn like that account you have on google to do it.
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Honestly, I have a Yahoo! email address, I guess, since I have a MyYahoo! page and everything, but there's no reason for me to use it. At this point I have over 7 email addresses (3 for work/business, 1 personal, 1 almuni .edu, 1 from my ISP, 1 GMail, plus more). Why would I need more? I have a friend of mine who has distinct online "personalities" (IM, email, perhaps even different Friendster/Myspace pages). She says she uses the other ones to spy/stalk others, or put people in different "buckets". That I know of, she has at least three. (Mind you, this might be necessary considering her circle of acquaintances, which is large).
/.ers having 5 email addresses or more.
Me? I'm happy with my gmail. I only use it as a utility to read/send emails that I get to my regular addresses. I don't need Yahoo or anything else, and until I got a Gmail invite, I didn't even have a webmail account anymore (as I had not logged into Hotmail for years).
But my issue with ALL email is that it is inherently not safe. You can lose domains, accounts with ISPs, even webmail services go down or go to pay. I guess that's one advantage of having like so many addresses, and it explains, why wildly inaccurate polls show almost half of
Other poll of interest: I've had my current email address for...
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
The added storage is only good if they have an IMAP interface (free or not). I seriously doubt moving to 1GB will allow friends to send me 200MB Quicktime movies of their newborn trying to walk as an attachment
why use dvd or cd media when you can now store that hidden porn collection in one of the many free email accounts.
Hotmail is like Bret Maverick . A bumbling idiot on a boat ride.
Google is like Doc Holiday .. Knows what the opponents are thinking, skillful, fast and deadly.
Yahoo is like Gambit. Weird, flashy and should obtain a new get-up.
I just wonder how much better our computers would be hadn't Microsoft managed to find a way to circumvent it by shutting down competitors instead of trying to provide a better product. No matter if you like Google or not, it has greatly improved our free e-mail experience, even if you don't use Gmail. I just wish those rumors about a GoogleOS would have been true :(
If Google opens up a few more services (Calendar/scheduling!) I think users will flock to Google faster than they currently are.
I just don't know about the Google thin client idea...
Now I can sort through a whole gig of spam!
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to the first freemail provider who codes a XUL interface for its webmail. Meanwhile, i'll stick with my IMAP and POP3 accounts.
A computer makes it possible to do, in half an hour, tasks which were completely unnecessary to do before.
Well I got my account with btinternet, dropped off their dial up access, and effectively now get 1GB email for free!
:D
Man do I feel like a satisfied customer!!
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a quick look on hotmail sees spammers are now sending 168k UTF8 encoded emails !
It seems that Yahoo is really missing the point. Its not a mail storage pissing contest to see who has the biggest drives that can service the most people. Rather, when Google unveiled their mail service, it was a very intuitive and inspired web based client that came with the added bonus of 1 gigabyte of storage. It also led to having a gmail account a status symbol, I still have other students and professors at my school clamoring for one. With the rest of the e-mail providers not understanding this, and just giving out increasing storage, it seems to me that they are doomed in the long run.
This Yahoo decision comes few days after Google's offer of 1 GB to its customers... I think Yahoo simply signes you up for Google account to increase the storage space but uses its crippled interface that gives you an impression that you are in fact using Yahoo... Well done!!!!
I'm so accustomed to arranging things into folders, and I can't for the life of me create any sort of organization in my Gmail box, and must resort to using the search tool to find anything.
Any tips on optimizing my Gmail experience? (I'm serious, any interface tips/tricks would be greatly appreciated)
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My mom uses Yahoo! Mail for business purposes however shes a paid subscriber so if Yahoo! free mail upgrade to 1GB, the paid users should get something in return. As for me, there's no way i'll switch back to Yahoo. I am too happy with Gmail.
I switched to Gmail for the whole 1Gb thing, but have stuck with it (and now prefer it to my yahoo and other domain email addresses in thunderbird) because of the interface.
It's just so much more intuitive -- never again to I have to deal with the 'size' of emails -- and the whole archive/thread thing was a litte uncomfortable at first, but is now so natural.
So although I do have a yahoo! account, I don't think I'll be switching back anytime soon.
Unless of course, they decide to offer 10 Gb!
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If Loftmail give a Gig account.. that will be very nice, but then they are free from any advertising.
Now I can go a whole week without emptying my Yahoo mail spam folder.
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GMail has a few things I don't like... for example, not being able to open messages in a new window/tab so you can reference them while typing a message without lots of clicking around.
However, the spell checker in GMail rocks. It's so transparent, and doesn't screw with the message by bringing you to a new page with drop-downs like most others. And, of course, the search function is also excellent.
Storage space is only an "ooh ahh" thing to get people's attention. It's the little things that effect day to day use that make the service usable or garbage.
=Smidge=
The massive storage is just the icing on the cake. Gmail's appeal comes from the fact that it's a fully featured e-mail client that you can use from any location. It's fast, it works, it's aesthetically pleasing, the "labels" system is/was innovative, and , of course, Google is just "cool." Yahoo! lost it's cool back around 96-97.
It would be nice to see real competition to Gmail, but if yahoo wants to play with the big boys, they need a MAJOR GUI overhaul. Not only on their e-mail client, but on their site as a whole. I would rather use Hotmail over Yahoo! Mail...Yahoo! is just that ugly...
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You should tell these professors and students about the Gmail invite spooler which currently holds over 500.000 invites for all poor slobs who don't have an account yet.
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Woohoo! Another Gig of spam!!
Offtopic, I guess: I agree Gmail, is the slickest webmail experience. The idea is you basically create a set of basic labels (home/work/personal/etc...) and label every incoming mail that comes, and then 'archive it' - it is equivalent to filing it in a folder, except for the fact that one message can have more than one label and be in more than one'folder' at the same time. For more, check Gmail's help and getting started sections
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Well, it's funny that they had that same quota from 1997 from then until last year when gmail's beta started growing, at which point they made it 250MB. Then they upped it to a gig - exactly what google offers - within a week of gmail's expansion to the general populace.
If you believe in that many coincidences, you must have been on the OJ jury, would explain a lot.
In my ongoing rail against the glossy waste of paperWired Magazine I get miffed about their anti-Google piece in last month's edition. This is just further proof to me that Yahoo! doesn't have much to offer other than a goofy logo, lackluster services and that stupid yodle. Here's a tip Yahoo!: It's not just the 1 Gig mail capacity that has people excited about GMail. It's the ultralight and very powerful UI design and feature set of their webmail application. Back when Yahoo! was riding high, the only other thing they had going for them was lots of venture capital. Always remember this rule: lots of venture capital does not guarantee success, a decent product, or sensible use of that capital. Always put your money on people who have actually produced something valuable.
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Labels. I use labels for all my mail and it is sort of like arranging things into folders, but you can have the same message available in two different folders without having to copy it. For example a message could be both "Important" and "Work" labeled or something.
I had the same thing when I first logged in. I tend to keep all mail that's useful in a folder called "Reference" and delete the rest, and was confused when I realised that Gmail wouldn't let you make folders.
A good way to do things is not change for your old system - use a label in place of where you would use a folder before. You could have a "Work", "Family" and "Friends" label and either apply them to mails manually or set up a filter, just like with the folders where you manually dropped them in or set a filter up.
Th advantage is that you can apply multiple labels to a mail. You're best friend also works with you and wants to organise a night out with some people from work and more of your friends? Label it "Work" and "Friends". Using the folder system you could only have put it in one folder, unless you made a copy and put it in both.
I'm quite sure that yahoo mail will alos come with a weekly gig of spam as well. That seems to be the norm. google sells your info, it says so in their statements. also yahoo will save you from annoyances using pop mail unless you pay extra.
people needs Gigs out of interface not storage space.
Ty guys, I'll have to organize my inbox when I'm at work next.
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tip: while shift clicking to read a message doesn't work, ALL composing can be done in a seperate window. Just hold shift while you press (or shift+the hotkey) the reply/forward button. You'll have your message up for reference, and your composer up for typing.
If you want to be ticked with anything abuot GMail, try cleaning up your mailbox when you get from half to all the way full of archived (unlabeled) messages. Have fun deleting 20 messages at a time from the search window.
Ok, Yahoo said "I'll see your 1GB". Shouldn't they have also said, "And I'll raise you 500MB"? (Or at least something else) :-)
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isn't perfect, but you've got to love moments like this. 'Course, capitalism also lets crap like Microsoft happen. Wait, no, it's not capitalism, it's politicians taking kickbacks and being clueless about what the are presiding over.
POP3 is the killer. Yahoo and MSN Hotmail both removed mail-client access from their free service recently (although Hotmail was alwas restricted to Outlook Express 5 + and Outlook 2002 or later, they never allowed POP3) and are probably going to have to give it back now Gmails changed the market.
I wonder how favourably the loss of face - and advertising exposure - will compare to the loss of users. Yahoo always used to spam their POP3 users anyway (if you hit the unsubscribe link it cncelled your pop access) which further counts in their disfavour
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With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
I'll probably be waiting a while for the 1GB.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
From the CNN summary - " Company will join Google's Gmail as the only Web mail providers to offer 1GB of in-box storage."
Emphasis mine. I'll have to tell my webmail provider that they apparently aren't offering what they say they are, being that Google and Yahoo are the only ones.
That is great news. I wish I could take gmail seriously.
I logged in on January 30 to find that all of my inbox mail for the month of January was gone. It wasn't in my trashcan, etc.
I exchanged emails at a Very slow rate with gmail staff. Mostly just responding to their form letters and taking whatever action they requested.
Not until nearly a month later, on Feb 24, did I receive the following pathetic response:
Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
We have completed a thorough investigation of your Gmail account, and can
confirm that a technical problem did not cause the behavior you reported.
We apologize for any inconvenience you might have experienced.
Sincerely,
The Gmail Team
Um, okay. So what did?
They have subsequently ignored all inquiries regarding the problem.
I have never lost email on Yahoo or Hotmail.
The good news? I have 100 gmail invites and gmail is no longer beta. Woopee!
I just went a few rounds with hotmail's CSRs- the mail search feature has disappeared.
So I wrote and asked, and they said after 10 meg you can no longer search in the message body, just subject and to/from.
They then point to a little known clause in section 11 of their TOS- Hotmail can do anything to their service they want to without informing said end users.
Full conversational email available (in broken indian-ese) if you'd like it.
Keep your eyes to the sky.
Your use of the term "leverage" in that manner blows all credibility your message may have had.
I still think Gmail has a better UI. Although, they have to take care of some of the server errors I have been getting lately.
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I couldn't agree more.
I've been using Yahoo mail for a long, long time. I rarely have more than 3-5 megabytes of email at any given time, so the fact that my mailbox capacity has increased from 6 to 250 to 1000 megabytes is of no concern. I've tried using G-mail, but I personaly like the yahoo interface better. And while I do get LOTS of spam, their spam filter blocks over 99% of it, and my personal filters take care of most of the rest.
I also like how well Yahoo integrates with other hardware and applications. The email system integrates very well with the Yahoo messenger service and I get notifications and previews even when using Trillian.
When Yahoo mail arrived on the scene, hotmail was the only other free service that was being used to any great extent and Yahoo was superior by leaps and bounds. Over the years I've seen Y!'s webmail interface constantly improved and updated. Even if G-mail were to offer functionality that Yahoo lacks, I can see them integrating (stealing?) the new idea into their own mail system.
While Google may be the leading search engine, I think Yahoo with my.yahoo is still the best web-portal on the internet and has been for a long time.
I'd have to say I prefer google becuase of the thread type listing of replies etc - makes it MUCH easier to keep messages and follow conversations without going through the old emails - Also the search function and the address book I'd have to vouch for. Spam filter - they both work VERY well
People that are interested in POP3 access for yahoo should have at least a look into this:
http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/
POP access in Yahoo mail plus has a very annoying restriction - I can't email (or cc: ) myself. I'm not sure why, but guess the idea is to stop people from using yahoo mail to archive files, which is ridiculous esp since I'm paying good money to use yahoo mail plus.
The problem with yahoo is that its too slow. I can search using gmail a second. Using Yahoo I must wait and wait....
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Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Actually I believe it was bigger around 2000 at least. It was around 6 megs or something, then downgraded to less. Everyone that had 6 remained on 6. Then they upgraded everyone later on when google came around.
That's a good tip! You can also shift-click on the "Compose mail" link to write a fresh message in a popup window. (It's also funny that GMail shows an error message if the popup is blocked by the browser!)
As for deleting a gig of backlogged mail... I have it set to show 100 messages per page. There's also a "select all" link at the bottom. I suppose it would still take awhile to nuke everything, but it's sure a lot better than manually selecting 20 messages at a time!
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Is why Yahoo in the US doesn't do this, but Yahoo UK does. Being in the UK, I just picked a yahoo.co.uk account. It was only when a friend of mine with an older yahoo.com account complained that he couldn't do POP3 that we discovered the two were different.
Too many potential users, perhaps?
Also, hotmail have just introduced the hotmail.co.uk domain for British users. Unlike Yahoo, once you select your geographic location, you are not allowed any choice in the matter.
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I have read a lot of the comments in here but I have yet to see this point being made. Its NOT about the Gig of storage. I moved to Gmail because of the Google Search Engine - I moved to Gmail so I could search my email fast and easy. I moved to Gmail because it made my email relevant again. I don't to have to copy the text of every prior email in a conversation every time I send a reply - that just makes things bulky, hence Gmail's conversation thread - LOVE IT! I don't want to have to search email by email to look for that one tiny bit of information that I KNOW I received in an email a long time ago but can't remember when and exactly from who - hence the Gmail Search.
And for those that think that gmail does not have Integrated Groups - http://groups-beta.google.com/ if you are logged into Gmail you got yourself personalized groups. For those that thing that gmail does not have customized news - news.google.com if you are logged in you can customize your preferences on news. For those that think that google does not have a "Briefcase" like yahoo - http://www.viksoe.dk/code/gmail.htm Gmail Drive.
Well, what's even funnier is that the 250MB is only for the US citizens. The rest of us are still enjoying the whopping 2MB of spam.
Gmail interface is nice and I like the fact that they don't add ads to the emails. Even the google-groups emails are ad-free but those might change anytime. Yahoo groups have a lot of features such as calendar, sharing of files,etc., which google-groups lack. But I will believe their 'do no evil' when they give you the ability to export contacts. :-) When they give pop service and forward service, why not export contacts?
Yahoo still doesn't let me send mails by populating only BCC field. I have to use To field. Gmail lets me use only BCC field.
You've got a good point. I would love to switch to GMail, but I've literally got years of important tidbits of information in the form of email in my Yahoo account. There's no way to move it to GMail, short of forwarding every individual message. I have better things to do.
Not to mention the fact that, despite the great interface, GMail is reading my mail -- I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with that.
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Yahoo! you're still sueing XFire, you can't buy my love with some extra storage space because another company is providing more email room. Drop the lawsuit with XFire, heck - give them the money you would have spent on storage, then I'll reconsider how much your company cares about the public.
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If they start offering free pop3 access to their free accounts, as gmail does, than maybe my yahoo accounts will get more usage.
As it is, the only thing my yahoo account's used for right now is a backup, in case I'm away from my personal pc.
What about file attachments?
Is the max file size for file attachments going to go up too?
If so, I wouldn't be suprised if people start using Yahoo mail to email software back and forth (if they haven't already).
Does Yahoo keep an eye on what people have saved in their email accounts?
It would violate privacy if they do, however it would deter people using their email accounts to store pirated stuff.
Just a thought.
Yahoo apparently hasn't even used gmail at length. It's not about the gigabytes. I didn't exclusively switch to using Gmail because of the 1gb. I use gmail because of the magnificent search capabilities, because of the way it uses a flat hierarchy (labels -aka tags- instead of folders), and because the IM-like conversation view makes replies and discussions far more managable than in any other email system. Gmail is speedier and sleeker than even my outlook POP3 mail.
As far as I'm concerned, the only way Yahoo could possibly "beat" Gmail in terms of usability is by copying Gmail. And throwing in some free butterscoth toffee candies.
When I got a second job I started using my Yahoo! account more and more since I was never home to POP. Overall I was pretty happy with it so I decided to pay for it so I could get more space (back when it was, like, 10 MB or something) and better spam filtering. Well, the supposedly "personalized" spam filtering seems no better than the free version.* (I was really hoping for effective personalized server-side bayesian filtering.) Plus, recently, things are breaking:
- HTML graphics keep showig up, even though I have them blocked
- it's getting flakey. I'll click on 5 messages to open in tabs, just like I've been doing for years, and half of the tabs show the main page, not the message. Of the messages that do open right, half of those give a "we didn't understand your request" when I try to delete them. (And no, it's not my company's new caching proxy server--which totally broke gmail--it happens at the other job and home, too. Everywhere, all of a sudden, about a month ago.)
I sent in a complaint about the images but never got a worthwhile answer back. I talked to them, gave them access to look at my account and one message that always showed a graphic, but then never heard back again. Because of that, I probably won't even bother to complain about the other crap that's breaking since it's not even consistent.
I figured it's growing pains from adding new users and space and they'd get it worked out soon. But gack, I hope they don't keep adding more space, attracting new users, and not fixing what's already wrong with it.
I have a gmail account but overall don't like it much. I haven't RTFM yet, but then again, I shouldn't have to for the basic stuff. Is it just me, or is there no way to do "sort by sender" or "sort by subject" in gmail?
* not only do I get the same spams over and over again, all my monthly mail list reminders keep winding up in the spam bin, even though I click 'not spam' every time I see them.
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The issue with the 20/page is more that I search for messages I want to delete so that I can filter out all of my labeled messages and such. It makes for a long search string, but in the end I can make it so that the only messages that come up are the crud I don't want. After that, I can select all and delete. Sadly, changing the default messages per page doesn't change how many show up when you do a search.
Yahoo! Mail has made POP access a paid service on their yahoo.com addresses, but if you open a Yahoo! Mail account on the Canadian Yahoo site, POP access still works for free. Of course, your address is then a yahoo.ca address.
Same with Yahoo.fr. I haven't tried any other regional Yahoo site.
You're right, I forgot that - as a longtime Yahoo!!!!! user, I wasn't affected. But it definitely shows that Y's business model was a reduction in free benefits to force people over to their for-pay services - at least until google came along.
I think gmail currently allows free pop access - if that continues, it'll be interesting to see if yahoo re-enables free pop access, something they used to offer but now charge for.
Yahoo upped its mail... now UP YOURS!
does that mean yahoo is gonna try copy google and make a decent search engine too?
I thought that was for paying customers only. I'm a non-paying Yahoo! deadbeat, and I had a measly 6MB until google came along and then I got 250.
-- charge the same price as Google. I was paying yahoo! for the privelage to POP my mail. They wouldn't budge on the price, so now I use GMAIL. The transition was painless, and my spam has yet to catch up to me.....
Good thing, cause I'm up to 2% of my 250MB limit, at
this rate I was going to run out in 2012, now I should
be good until 2050! More if I bothered to erase the
mail in my sent folder.
Do people really have 250MB of mail?
... but the rest is useless for me.
I use Thunderbird as an email client. But the GMail interface just does not make sense to me. I don't see the huge innovation.
Gmail's web client is nowhere near as functional or easy-to-use as an email client such as Thunderbird. I have tried for the life of me to try to use labels, and I don't see the point. I don't care if I can apply a label to more than one message. Its not a folder. Using IMAP, I can have public and private folders. Labels != Folders.
Some of us actually like to arrange our stuff using the folder/directory concept.
In Thunderbird, I can mark a message as important simply by "flagging" it. I also can "label" a message if I want (work, todo, important, personal, etc). If I want to do a search, I can search using damned near any criteria.
Labeling and placing message in folders should not be mutually exclusive conepts.
Keep your eyes to the sky.
There's a lot of posts here about how Gmail is much better because of its UI. While I readily admit the great implementation of the conversation views, the shortcut keys, the clean interface, the fast searching, and all the other little things that makes GMail a really great product, keep in mind that many of these things are web-specific implementations.
Google has done very well with their web interface, but also remember that Yahoo offers obscene amounts of services linked to your one Yahoo ID that Google just plain can't compete with at this point. The integration that Yahoo has with their vast array of services, in my mind, makes up for some of the email-specific things that they are currently lacking. For example, the ability for Yahoo to send you an SMS message when you have a new email, or when you have an appointment scheduled. Or maybe you'd prefer an email on that appointment - they will do that, too. Yahoo integrates everything it does very well - integration with Yahoo Messenger, Yahoo Games, etc.
I'm not condemning Google by any means, but I do think that some of the views expressed on this article about Yahoo are somewhat shallow in their insights. Yahoo can, and no doubt will, continue to improve their mail service above the new 1GB storage. And Google will continue to develop all of those services that Yahoo is already offering. Either way, it's win-win for all of us.
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Perhaps one of you Egg-heads, and I say that with nothing but admiration, can explain why GMail filters spam so much better than Yahoo. On one of my GMail accounts I have made every attempt to have it flooded with spam, yet almost no unsolicited emails reach the Inbox--few appear in the junk mail for that matter. I've signed up for everything imaginable using this account on sites known to sell email addresses. What gives?
They don't offer free pop access?? That is news to me especially considering I have two yahoo addresses and access both of them with pop for free.
Why doesn't Google give us each 50GB? That would be enough to keep all our MP3s somewhere we'd always be able to get them, and it would cost them $10 each, at their scale. In fact, if they "compressed" the mailboxes by keeping only a single copy of every unique media file, they'd probably have to provide less than 10% of that in actual storage, because most people have the same media as each other. So for a dollar or so per user, they could rerevolutionize Internet storage.
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I, for one, don't care if Yahoo begins offering 5 gigs of storage. Yahoo is a spam magnet. My Yahoo account typically has several hundred junk mails in the bulk folder and 5 or 6 in the inbox every time I check it. My GMail inbox remains junk-mail free, despite my attempts to get the email address into the hands of spammers. No matter what I sign up for on the Internet, none of the resulting spam reaches my in box.
Yahoo offers all of those features to subscribers. It's only $20 a year. It's also worth point out that Googles interface requires ActiveX under IE while Yahoo mail is plain HTML.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Hmm. Just tried to log into Gmail: :)
We're currently performing some unexpected maintenance on your account. While we can't predict exactly how long it will take, we're working as quickly as we can to restore access to your email--apologies for the inconvenience.
Why are they unexpectedly maintaining **my** account?!
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Please post the pop server that you are currently using for free. I have had similar experience to the grandparent post. Used to have free pop acess, now I'd have to pay. Can you show me otherwise?
You can get super spammed and still not run out of space.
Gmail is like the woman I crave. Sleek, slim and easy.
Yahoo is like the woman I don't crave. Bulky and doesn't put out.
Last time I checked, you couldn't do that in GoogleMail.
So, I stick with YahooMail for now. It's legacy gear, but it's secure...
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FYI an Indian site called Rediff.com had it's mail upgraded to 1GB very soon after Google opened up trial of Gmail. As this site was open for public before Google's gmail, Rediffmail is the first internet mail to give 1GB of web space!!!!!!
What I would like to know is this: when will apple upgrade their _pay_ email addresses to a reasonable amount? Right now, it's at a paltry (in comparison) 125MB.
spikeb
We're upping our e-mail, so up yours!
Now I don't have to change my email address to my gmail one. The thing I most dread about changing email addresses is updating everybody else. Rather annoying.
yahoo mail needs redesign. google mail just acts a lot better. for example, when you delete or move google mail, it's instantateous.
for yahoo mail, you have to wait for the command to make its round. sometimes hanging
Google has a fuckin engine in gmail, that searches words on emails, do you think that's a good thing? :S
Government could easily use that engine to look for key words... it could be a violation of privacy!
I hope yahoo isn't going that way
Regarding webmail providers' response to gmail (the 1GB storage in particular), I think mail.com's response is the most laughable. While yahoo and hotmail respond by increasing their quota, mail.com just remove the line 10MB mailbox from their front page.
Besides that, mail.com also joined the crowd and added a link to "Report Message as Spam". However, they don't even have a working spam filter. (They are still using the ancient method that you tell the system a list of sender email addresses that you want to block.)
Are you using a scraper applet like YoSucker! or something like that? Otherwise, how do you get your yahoo mail through pop?
Note that I'm referring to using POP from a standalone client (eg, thunderbird) to get Yahoo! mail. I'm not talking about using Yahoo to access popmail from another account, which it does for free.
They still list POP as one of their upgrade benefits on the $19.99/yr plan.
It offers a bunch of other stuff (including a Brightmail Anti-Spam filter ) but recently included 2GB mail storage! For only about $40 per Year.
It has some search capabilities, and you can organize your folders, but I don't know how it compares to Gmail.
I have it so I don't ever have to tell all my friends or change my stationary if/when I change my ISP.
I just don't get that much mail!
Hey man, you forgot to add that your comment was checked with spellbound!
The problem with yahoo mail is that it's not really mail. It's a repository for spam.
I have a yahoo acount. it's almost always totally full of spam. 1 gig will only take you so far when it's 1 gig of spam.
Does anyone prefer Yahoo! over Gmail (and Hotmail) because of tabbed browsing?
I found out there's a catch with both YM and GM: a single mail has a size limit of 10 MB incoming or outgoing, and file transfers can be slow. While there were hacks such as GmailFS, that can't beat the speed and reliability of flash drives. Web mail has been a good alternative for floppies for awhile, but the increase to 1GB doesn't help that much, and most people will probably not come close to filling it all up.
.mac account iDisk offer is in comparison.
Yahoo! Briefcase is free and seems to allow files larger than 10 MB (without splitting it ofcourse). By the way these services show how awful Apple's
Do you like graphic ads or do you like Google to go through your e-mails header, content, etc and find out your mother recently passed waway and you need funeral service and here are a few funeral homes in your area?
When Gmail started to become popular months ago, I couldn't find a place to get an invite and didn't know anyone who would give me one. I somehow ran into Yahoo China, and at the time they were offering 1GB of email space, while Yahoo over here was offering 250 MB.
Altavista is your best friend!
You obviously haven't clicked on the "settings" link before. If you had, you'd see that you can alternate between viewing 20 messages, viewing 50 messages, and (gasp!) viewing 100 messages at a time.
My digital rights don't need management.
There are advantages to having both Yahoo and GMail. Personally, I have accounts with both services. I use Yahoo primarily for signing up for forums, sites; basically anything that would give me spam. When it comes to mail I actually want to read, I head straight for GMail. I have the GMail notifier set up to tell me when new mail is in my inbox, and I have configured Thunderbird to pick up all of my mail for me. There's really not much of a better setup, as far as mail goes. If I need a file stored, I get off my lazy ass and email it to myself, rather than sticking in in Yahoo Briefcase, because frankly I don't like having everything spoon fed to me. Messages I send do not have advertisements appended to them, I don't have to dodge banners to read my mail, and my spam filter has caught every piece to date. Oh, having POP3 without having to install third-party software is nice too. That being said, Yahoo offers an incredibly easy interface, and anyone using it that feels challenged by it will probably not need the 250 MBs of storage, let along a gig. Yahoo is for the technologically retarded, and fatcat techie wannabes.
Email storage is quickly headed the way of online service hours and cell phone plan minutes.
Once the company offers a quota larger than 99% of its users will use, then it can increase the quota arbitrarily without needing any additional resources to supply the (unused) storage space. After that, it's just a marketing exercise in using (pointlessly) inflated numbers to sell to new subscribers.
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Then again, it could be because I typically check my mail in Netscape Communicator. Ideally I use Lynx whenever possible.
Thanks, but as I said: the search window. Changing the default message views doesn't change how many come up in a search.
I love labels. It is such a relief not having to decide which folder to stick something in.
If you can't deal with the label metaphor, think of them as being folders and that archive means put it in the folder with that label and file it away out of sight. When you want to find it, just pull out the folder labeled whatever, except the folder doesn't really exist, gmail just grabs everything that you filed with that label and gives it to you when you ask. The nice thing is that you can file something into more than one label/catagory/tag/folder.
Or you can think of it as a snapshot of a search. But that's not quite as good. I have GMail filters set up to automatacally label stuff as it comes in, then when I look at it, I can file it away without rethinking what folder/label it belongs in (unless I want to).
If you can handle tagging on sites such as del.icio.us or Flickr.com, you can handle labels if you think of them as tags. Of course tags themselves can be thought of as either catagories, subjects, or sometimes both.
I know these aren't really tips, I think the first thing you need to do is to devise a metaphor that you can adapt to if it doesn't seem to be one you use naturally.
If you must moderate, please moderate as irrelevent, not something bad, because I'm sure someone will find this interest
Ugh, I did those links wrong and forgot to preview.
Sorry. Popular sites that use tags are http://flickr.com/ and http://del.icio.us/
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Sorry, but Yahoo is light years beyond Hotmail. There are many reasons why I abandoned Hotmail in favor of Yahoo:
1. Hotmail used to have POP3 and auto-forwarding to other accounts. When Microsoft bought Hotmail, they took away these features shortly after. Thus, I went to Yahoo.
2. Hotmail had a ridiculous limitation of 2 MB total. Yahoo had 3 MB, and shortly afterward upgraded me to 6 MB. Then 100 MB. Then 250. Hotmail has always had to play catch-up to Yahoo ever since Microsoft took over Hotmail.
3. Spam. This was a big reason I left Hotmail. Although admittedly in recent times, Yahoo's spam is almost as bad. Fortunately, Yahoo allows me to create more filters than Hotmail ever did. I effectively block 100% of spam by enforcing people to e-mail me with specific words in the Subject line.
4. Multiple browser compatibility. Sorry M$, I will NOT install IE, despite your repeated "warnings" you spit out at me in Hotmail. I can check my Yahoo mail just fine in Netscape, or even better yet, Lynx.
5. One day out of the blue, Hotmail deleted everything in my Sent messages and called this their new "policy." As if I didn't already need yet another reason to abandon Hotmail. This was the nail in their coffin and I never looked back.
Why on earth does anyone settle for Hotmail these days? They're only good for throwaway accounts, like signing up for things. That's it.
> No, Google, POP access doesn't count. I don't want my mail stored on my box at home, I want it stored on a server that I can access from anywhere - a server that is managed by people who know and care about security.
You can access the email via POP and leave it on gmail
> FM truly rocks. I can use Thunderbird at home, at work, and on my notebook. On the road, I can use the web-interface. Everything stays in sync, so I always have access to my mail.
I use Thunderbird to access my gmail account too
> I want IMAP/SSL, not POP. I want SpamAssassin. I want powerful rules to sort my mail into folders.
OK, it's only got POP access, but it's SSL encrypted.
There are rules to put mail in labels, or forward the email, etc.
- sigs are for wimps.
Key features for google:
- IMAP access (even if paid)
- Vanity domains (even if paid)
The above two would get me to switch. I wish they'd offer it, like the interface.
- Individual and Group calendaring
Would get a TON of business to switch. Too far out I think for them though from core business.
So what? When you're trying to delete 6000 messages marked with a certain label, deleting by 100s is still annoying. Why can't I just delete everything labeled 'x'? It's dumb.
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Now instead of my inbox being 4% full it'll be only 1% full! All right!
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Actually, I've had a hotmail account for more than 5 years. And I've had real trouble with the 2MB limit.
In spite of Microsoft's promises to increase that limit they still haven't. My account is still at 2MB.
So I switched to yahoo! It is such a better service! How can I count the ways? The address book option is great, I imported all my contacts from Microsoft Outlook so when I travel I have all my contacts there. The search option and e-mail address autocomplete are both very useful.
GMail, admittedly when it runs it looks like a nice interface. But GMail does have problems, in one big corporate it simply wouldn't work on Mozilla Filefox (during the log in sequence). Things have probably improved but just something as simple as browser incompatibility anywhere in the development puts me right off a product.
So summary:
- hotmail (very poor with only 2MB accounts to loyal users)
- yahoo (very happy, wish the trailing ads weren't there in messages through)
- gmail (shrugs, with they got browser compatibility done better)
But it definitely shows that Y's business model was a reduction in free benefits to force people over to their for-pay services - at least until google came along.
You also forgot the fact that it coincided with the time the internet bubble crashed and everyone was scrambling to show profits so they wouldn't go under.
Google will experience the same thing sometime in the future. We can talk then.
Strange, my free Yahoo! accounts were all upgraded to 100MB, and then 250MB.
This is also why I believe that this wasn't a response to the rumors of Gmail becoming public. To me it looks like they planned this a year ago and staggered out the upgrades as they slowly added more hard drives to support the millions of users.
What's up with Slashdot posting stories with titles that sound like something has already happened, even though it hasn't? FFS guys, wait until April to report April news.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
and it still sucks!
Plus, there's small things that Google does right. Like going to the inbox instead of the "next" message when I delete the current message. When reading in Chronological order with the messages in reverse, it's nice not to have to look at a message I've already read a dozen times. I only wish the 'delete' option was a button rather than in the drop-down menu. Just because I CAN keep it doesn't mean I WANT to do so.
All comments are properties and trademarks of the voices in my head. Not like I'm gonna claim them.
Plus, there's small things that Google does right. Like going to the inbox instead of the "next" message when I delete the current message.
It pays to actually look at the options. Yahoo has had the option to go back to the folder instead of the next message from the beginning.
it is yahoo.ca so pop.mail.yahoo.ca smtp.mail.yahoo.ca
They used to, if you signed up for some spam (but I apparently described myself as poor enough not to be a desirable target, so I never got any). But about two years ago they cut that out and you had to pay about $20/year to get POP, along with some other features. But the POP was the decider for me, and if they did that free I'd downgrade my account.
Google, on the other hand, knows what they're doing.
I bet it's 1,000,000,000 bytes, not 2^30 (1,073,741,824).
Google's is 1000 MB, but they don't say what their version of a "MB" is (whether it's 1,000,000 bytes or 2^20). I would guess the former.
Standard marketing based fraud in IT.
Sigh.
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Somebody moderated Timesprout's article as "Funny", and I got to metamoderate that. I don't see any evidence that it was intended to be funny, but it was a good article, and "Funny" is usually a positive rating, so I let it stick. Looks like "Insightful" has overridden that now, which is really a better rating.
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