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Apple's Bonjour Available for Windows
inblosam writes "Apple's Bonjour ('also known as zero-configuration networking, enables automatic discovery of computers, devices, and services on IP networks') is now available for Windows! A Bonjour icon shows up in Internet Explorer to enable Bonjour browsing, along with the Bonjour Printer Wizard. Developers can download the Bonjour SDK. The benefits would appear to be for Apple customers (more Bonjouring with more networks) and to gain Apple switchers by enticing Windows customers."
Explain to me again, what's the difference between Bonjour and Rendezvous?
I've been using 2 networked Mac's at home for 2 years now (powerbook, ibook, wlan, ethernet), but never seen this Bonjour stuff. Always connect directly to my samba server etc. Oh wait maybe my Airport talks bonjour?
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The americans will rename this to Freedom Discoverer anyway.
It's well and good that Apple wants to give us Windows developers something to play with, but this sounds a lot like UPnP. Anyone familiar with both care to comment on the differences?
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The first time? No. QuickTime, for one.
Yes, Bonjour is Rendezvous renamed. Here's some info on that.
itunes.
quicktime.
For exempel... When you got a OSX server up and running. And you got another OSX machine in the network. Just open Server Admin. The machine find the server just when you open the program.
Or when you are sitting in a network, open itunes. suddenly all the peoples that share there music with itunes pops up in the playlist. So you can play there songs...
Great! More apple apps on Windows along the lines of quicktime and itunes. Longhorn is coming along in bytes and pieces (if we take Gates' word for it).
Am gonna put my last pennies to good use by buying shares of RAM manufactures. Mark my words, with all the ppl rushing to upgrade, there's explosive growth there!
Yes, I was forgetting about them :)
But what I meant was that this seems to be different since it is something that is apparently more tightly tied in to how the OS work, IMHO.
Don't try to fix me. I'm not broken.
Say that I'm a windows user, used to (or obliged to use) ie and windows explorer..
Say that I'm already in a network, since I`m downloading Bonjour and browsing this trashy website..
Say that at some point there is another PC in the network that I need to find..
Say that the other computer is also a windows PC, as 90% of all PC`s are..
Then what is the point?
In iTunes 4.7 Apple restricted this feature. You can only play music from 3 other playlists every 24 hours. This was in response to pressure from RIAA as university networs were becoming a smorgasbord of free-to-listen music through iTunes sharing.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Appleworks Office suite is offered for Windows as well - Schools with mac and windows labs used it on both to guarantee cross-compatibility
(Appleworks was based on the cross-platform Claris Office which was bought up by Apple)
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What happens in the evenings?!
And what about Linux?
Or is it just assumed "Zero configuration" and "linux" are inherently incompatible concepts
Apple does know that there are other browsers on Windows platforms other than MSIE, right?
I'm sure it probably works fine with Opera, Firefox, etc, but why talk about "the Internet Explorer plugin"?
And if by some chance it doesn't work with non-Microsoft browsers then what the hell is Apple thinking about? Surely further tying users to Microsoft and Microsoft's way of thinking is contrary to Apple's long-term goals?
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
KDE added support with 3.4, for example the public file server advertises itself over zeroconf (same protocol, different name). So this is starting to look like a good technology for those in a heterogenous environment
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Does this mean that Xgrid may also hit the Windows side of the moon?
I don't have too much knowledge of the nuts and bolts of Xgrid, but ZeroConf networking seems to me the first step to porting it on Windows. After all, it is not too much different than distributed number crunching projects (e.g. SETI@Home), or is it?
An "HP Mac" might have been an interesting concept, say, 6 years ago, but today it wouldn't get me expecting anything but a "me too" product.
Now, an "IBM Mac" or a "Sony Mac" just might because IBM (despite the proposed sale of the PC division) and Sony have at least shown an ability to innovate desktop and notebook design, whereas HP, Dell and the rest of the field have barely contributed anything significant in a long time, if at all.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
An IBM Mac would make more sense. IBM already make more-or-less Mac compatible hardware (i.e. hardware that can run OS X inside Mac-On-Linux - similar to VMWare - but not boot it natively). They also target a very different market to Apple - IBM focus on the corporate desktop and the scientific / engineering workstation, while Apple focus on the consumer and the creative / artistic workstation market. Allowing IBM to be a second-source of OS X hardware would be a huge benefit to Apple, without cutting much into their profits - particularly if IBM were selling OS X Server hardware, where Apple would be making several hundred dollars of profit on each IBM sale.
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Apple wont be doing that ,The clone macs caused apple alot of problems mostly related to the fact that it cut proffits by brobdignagian ammounts.
Quite simply , apple makes a hell of alot more off of hardware and support(not so sure about support though) than they do off of software so it would not be in their best intrests.
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It made me very happy to find that Linux has support for it and that even better support is under way. http://dot.kde.org/1114696139/
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From TFA:
Now anyone using a Windows PC can take advantage of the effortlessness of Bonjour for free. The Bonjour Setup Wizard makes setting up a printer under Windows as easy as Mac OS X (we can't make it as beautiful, unfortunately).
Cool.
Ydco co
Au revoir?
..since all networked HP printers built in the last few years have Bonjour support built in to the JetDirect software.
Like most Apple technologies, Bonjour/Rendezvous kicks ass on Mac OS X because of its ubiquity on the platform. You get the odd suprise, like high end laser printers supporting it, but the only time I've ever really seen it supported and used effectivly is between two macs. IMHO, the only reason the technology is even remotely effective is that you get the 'it just works' user experience 'out of the box'. The problem with this current distribution plan seems to be that if you can download and install the software, you probably don't need it as ZeroConf is only a bonus if you don't understand networking. To be truely effective it needs to be available as standard on the platform. It would be great if it appeared in SP3.
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I think the control of hardware has to do with both profit and quality control. If MAC OSX was installed with any off-the-shelf hardware, I would expect to see more memory dumps/crashes at a rate unheard of before in the history of Apple.
I think Apple wants stability and reliability to be synonymous with its branding. Thus, the anal QC over hardware and software.
For the record, I'm not a Mac user and nor have I ever been. But...I have been thinking about testing the waters soon.
Life is not for the lazy.
I do but, and here's the fun part, the discovery protocol is the cups internal protocol and not zeroconf/rendezvous/bonjour at all.
Do I, as a mac fanatic, have any use for zeroconf/rendezvous/bonjour at all? Nah. It has to be said, I don't really get it.
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Isn't this some kinda psychological warfare where Apple releases apps to fill the missing functionality of Windows, only to make Windows XP look outdated and to promote Tiger? What will be their next step? Some neat windowmanagement tricks like Exposé ported to Windows?
I have a cups print server that advertises itself on the network and is available to all, it is visible on macs through bonjour and now it will be visible on the same way (I think) through Windows.
Also, Mac Server is really nice, shame that the xserve is that expensive (for our needs anyhow).
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ZeroConf is the official name, Apples used to use Rendezvous, now it's Bonjour.
You won't have seen it advertised explicitly, it simply sits and works.
It is used for sharing in the iApps:
iTunes
iPhoto
chatting in iChat
Finding servers to use in the Server Admin tools,
Transmit (the Panic FTP client) supports it,
It is used to find file shares on the network, using AFP
Anywhere networking just happens, without having to do anything more than simply turn it on chances are Bonjour is behind it.
Alex
Bonjour has invoked an illegal operation and will be shutdown. Windows needs to be rebooted.
Au revoir!
Yes.... but will it allow me to play Microsoft Freecell with others over Bonjour?
Why, in this day and age, is it necessary to 'restart' the whole friggin machine?
/user:administrator".
It's necessary when you're trying to change a file that's currently in memory. But the windows installer framework, for several years now, gives you the chance to shut down applications using locked files so you don't have to reboot. You can refuse and you'll have to reboot.
In this case I can't imagine it needs a reboot; it's probably hooking something into IE or explorer, or maybe installing a device driver or service - they're probably skimping on testing by only supporting service start-up on reboot, it's cleaner environment to work from. Even if they're hooking something deep into the IP stack they could easily restart all networking on the machine.
Is there a multi-user version of windows yet? Why do I have to log out as 'user' before I can log on as 'administrator'?
Yes, Windows XP lets you switch between users and separate desktops unless it's attached to a domain. But you can only be one user at once, and remote-desktopping in (XP Pro only) kicks off the console user.
You can always use "runas
Fedora Core 3 includes an mDNS responder, look for guides for installing itunes daap and using it to advertise to itunes
Just tried Bonjour on Windows, and it automatically detected our two network printers : one's an HP LaserJet 3030 (with a network box) and the other is a Lexmark C510N. I'm really glad I can at last uninstall all the crap that comes with the drivers to make them work... And I won't have to define network ports that crash or fail to detect network names again! Nobody will come ever again to tell me "the printer doesn't work"... I'll switch all our computers to Bonjour as soon as I can. Thanks Apple.
On my Mac, I can can browse bonjour sites on my local network in Safari. What is really cool is that my TiVo shows up. If you have the latest TiVo software (the version that added support for TiVoToGo) You can actually browse and download the .tivo files without using TiVo Desktop. If you are already doing this by http://ip/ you may like that bonjour makes it so you don't need to know the IP address, you just bookmark the *.local address. I assume that this also works with bonjour for windows. It's very useful.
Since when were macs and Windows compatible with each other? Wndows programs don't work on macs and macs programs don't work on Windows.
If Apple were going to release a set-top box as part of a home entertainment package that needed to network with PCs, maybe this would be part of the installation.
*cough*
I've run into a few bugs with Bonjour:
I keep getting IM coupons for French Roast Coffee.
When I play German music on iTunes, all the Bonjour connections surrender and vanish.
QuickTime unexpectedly opens a connection and begins playing Jerry Lewis films.
iTunes insists that I listen to European Jazz Internet Radio at least once a day.
And Bonjour works best only in trendy art café hot-spots while the end user smokes clove cigarettes.
I'm sure Apple will correct these issues when they update OS X 'Tiger'
to
OS X 'La petite femme'.
Looks like Bonjour is patent free. In todays sue happy corporate battle ground it looks like the clear winner is the one that is quick to market and has less overhead.
I predict Bonjour will win, even though Bill Gates will throw a fit.
I also predict that a new security update will make bonjour not work or crash. We really want the Old Microsoft back, from the days of DR-DOS, WordPerfect and Lotus 123.
Your Average Joe
Would TrueType count?
Obviously, they want you to use IE.
... let me rethink this one.
That way, when your machine gets bogged down by using all of its disk space for IE cache, all its bandwidth to send malware spam, and all its processor power on "security" features, you'll be forced to upgrade to Linux.
Oh, wait
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The source code of Bonjour has been available since August 2002, including implementations for BSD and Linux.
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http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/bonj
Bonjour Source Code
The Mac OS X mDNSResponder source code is available from the Darwin CVS repository. This package includes platform specific code for implementing Bonjour on Mac OS X, Windows, Windows CE, Linux and VxWorks, and also includes helper applications for browsing and advertising services. Hardware device manufacturers are encouraged to embed the Darwin open source mDNSResponder code directly into their products.
Of course what you meant to say was "Bonjour halo effect". Psychological warfare is so last century, anyway, these days it's all about "market engineering".
They should concentrate on makeing their software more compatable with AD. I just spent the greater part of last week configuring an xserve to play nicely on a Windows network. PITA - you have to jump through hoops (Kerberos setup using command tools) for single sign on, Windows clients on xserve shares, etc. Next time I am buying another Windows 2000 server! I can have that running in hours, not days.
This is some of the coolest use of the technology: SubEthaEdit lets a group of people work on a document at the same time using Bonjour. This is the way networking should work. If the boys there get their act together and create a Windows (and Linux) version, this app could be used everywhere!
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Jobs has a way of being tangential, elusive, not saying what he really means. I recall, back when we founded Apple in my garage in 1976, etc etc ...
As best as I can figure, Bonjour for Windows only seems to be a client. I can't tell if it has the ability to share printers yet. Anyone got info on this?
As far as this being a marketing ploy on Apple's part, let's face it, it's just as much a marketing ploy for Apple, as it was for Microsoft to start making Internet Explorer and Office for Macs. It's nothing new, just Apple's attempt to spread their technology. Everyone does it, even the FOSS guys (gVIM for Windows, MPlayer binaries for OS X and Windows, FireFox for every imaginable platform).
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"Zeroconf is designed to bring the "It Just Works" Apple swagger to IP networks."
I sense a great force disturbance around Seattle,WA.
What are you talking about... apple sales have reached an all time high
mDNSResponder has been part of FreeBSD Ports since March 03, 2004.
GNUstep has had (inofficial) support of Rendezvous (as it was known back then) since quite some time before the above mentioned date.
Thanks.
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PDP8 & 11
HP MX series & TRS-80
MS-DOS & big CDC iron
SunOS & NT
Linux & NT-2000
with a smattering of other unix flavors mixed in over the years
but i've only used the 'windows' stuff for running tax prep software
So I can runas from the command line? Looks like it. Will give it a try next time 2000 is running.
It's the official name of the IETF working group that came up with the Dynamic Configuration of IPv4 Link-Local Addresses draft. www.zeroconf.org
Seems to me that this technology has been available on Windows, Linux, FreeBSD for quite some time now in the form of Howl. It's an opensource library that supports Rendezvous/Zero Conf. I've used it for a while now to do all sorts of fun stuff. In fact, the responder portion of it even runs on the WRT54G boxes.
The only difference here is that this is the blessed client by Apple.
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I really don't get how someone thinks this will get people to convert to apple. OK, so you port some really great app or function of the apple to windows. Why do I want to leave windows? The function is already on my native OS. It's only after I realize that something is so great isn't available for windows that I would want to switch. apple doesn't have enough market exposure to cause a serious exodus from windows.
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Does this mean Del Boy can finally say Bonjour to all that poncing about with IP addresses?
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Seems to me Apple needs to update the Cocoa frameworks for operations on the modern NT variants (2000/XP).
Seems to me they may already me doing that, what with QT7 being a Cocoa app (and I wouldn't be surprised to find iTunes is not far behind).
Seems to me we may see Apple pushing back into the cross-platform application development arena very soon, as a hook to customers to move off Carbon on the OS X platform...
???
when what they could really be doing is adding tsig-gss support to it (and while they're at it, bind), so that they can actually inter-operate with AD's DNS (and not create their own little world).
I have a small mixed home network, and Windows 2000 has no trouble finding the shared directory on my Mac (OS X), but OS X is very bad at finding my Windows shares. It used to work sporadically, and after the last OS X upgrade doesn't work at all. In this (one, singular) respect Windows networking seems to work better than OS X.
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Try this and either this or this: it's not quite the real thing, but it's as near as you're going to get for the time being. And you will certainly get to "dump Windows but not all of your hardware".
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Is this only for SOHO networks or is there a use in a massive AD deployment?
Is this like old MS NETBEUI unroutable, or does it survive beyond the first router?
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This has already been done; it was called "NeXTStep for Intel Processors". It was essentially a flop, in large part because of lack of device drivers for the myriad of x86 hardware out there.
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Can somebody explain to me what ZeroConf has got over UPnP? There is a lot of industry momentum around UPnP already (most routers ship with it for instance), it's an open standard, and there are open-source implementations of it as well. Is ZeroConf a result of Apple not-invented-here, or does it do something fundamentally different than UPnP?
Why not? Sometimes the right word is just what you need to jog your thinking process in a new (insightful) way. Sometimes just writing a single number can give you insight into life, the universe, and everything:
42
There has been a Java version for a while now?
jmdns.sourceforge.net/
Why is a windows version a big deal?
A version of Xgrid for win32 and linux would be awesome.
An "HP Mac" would be an interesting concept.
I dunno... HP "anything" has ceased to be an interesting concept under any circumstances.
Yes, I'm still bitter about them gutting the RPN calculator group.
I don't know much about networking, but I think you can get around this by setting up static routes. Obviously, that means it isn't going to work out on the int0rweb, but it should work on a private network.
- Switches, seeing them as regular ethernet multicasts, will forward them just fine, though switches (as in, a multi-port ethernet bridge) will never forward ANY traffic to "other networks"
- Routers, assuming they have the capability and are configured to do so, *can* forward the zeroconf packets to "other networks". Though you're right in that they typically won't by default, and some routers have no ability to forward them.
Saw it already thanks, guess it is time to try Zeroconf again.
I haven't upgraded to Tiger yet on my macs, and Bonjour appears to still be known as Rendezvous. Does this mean I can't get my windows machines onto the mac network until a Tiger upgrade? My PC isn't seeing any Bonjour printers after installing Bonjour client.
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I don't honestly believe that any more. Sure they make a lot on iPods, but surely they make more money selling Tiger for $129 and iLife for $79 than selling a Mac mini with both included for $499.
I can't imagine theres a lot of margins on a $291 PC.
Apples major selling point is now its software, the operating systems, and professional creative software. It's the OS people are after, not the hardware.
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not so much that French is hip, but "something-you're-not" is
my brother tells me the story of when bicycling through belgium, he came across a guy customizing a hod-rod car. on the side were painted the words "sweet girl." when asked, the belgian responded that he wanted something that looked/sounded exotic. A U.S. equivalent might be "cherchez le femme" (or "churchy lafemme" for you Pogo fans...)
I think that it just has to be in a different language. it promotes the need for some one to ask you what it is. makes you feel smart (though possibly only relative to the person asking... (think bad lawyers and latin.)) I suppose it helps that in the U.S. certain languages/accents have come to be hung with certain stereotypes. BBC style British accent=intelligent, French accent=sexy (or stuck-up (or both, for that matter)), Italian=short tempered gangster/lothario. But in all of these cases the primary thing that the accent or the foreign word implies is simply the sense of the exotic.
In the rest of the world, French was/is frequently considered the international language. though with the advent of airtravel, and by necessity international air-traffic control, that has been moving to english for some time. (most computer languages also have their basis in english (keywords and syntax rules for instance.) I find it fairly interesting that ruby, (developed, as far as I know) primarily in Japan, still uses english for the major keywords.)
Finding a name that is not "sue-able" or offensive is a tricky thing. Exxon spent a lot of time and money looking for a new name when Esso was broken up and managed to find that the XX was uncommon or non-existent in all known languages. The fact that Exxon itself eventually became something of an epithet is unrelated, (but pleasantly ironic.)
Rendezvous, at least, had come into relatively common english parlance.
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
This isn't exactly new. There was an SDK available for Windows more than a year ago when it was still called Rendezvous.
SEE uses Bonjour to discover documents on the local network, but that's all Bonjour does for it or any other program. That's nice, but all the stuff that really makes SEE cool-- the shared buffer, user highlighting, etc-- has nothing to do with Bonjour
"Bonjourrr", ya cheese-eating surrender monkeys. ~ G.K. Willy
Ok, I'm sorry but that is funny. Creating a spoof ID and posting as that poor guy, just to make fun of him is a lot of work. Not nice either.
Funny, though.
-WS
An operating system should be like a light switch... simple, effective, easy to use, and designed for everyone.
For ad-hoc networks, that's part of the point. Sure, all of /. will have an old dusty 386 running dhcp/bind for all the systems in their little batcave making zeroconf a zero-value-add. If your systems are configured to *need* DHCP, BIND, etc., then it's partly your headache to workaround or disable the failover to zeroconf, IMO.
OTOH, assuming my mom and dad got separate systems and just barely knew enough to plug cat5 between them, the fact that both systems will decide to use 169.254.x.y (and all decide their domain is ".local") and w/ the assumption they're running an mDNS responder of some variety, both systems can "find" each other without me twiddling around in two separate networking wizards, setting up a host file, and/or whatever else. Ideally, they have no idea how complicated it *might* be. (Granted, all the magic that truly benefits the end-user happens at the application level, such as in IE, some printer wizard, a multiplayer game, what-have-you.)
Apple has been spared the fate of PC manufacturers (reduction to comodity box assemblers,) and, Linux-like, nearly gives away the software. (Must piss off Microsoft no end. :-)
Apple has defied the tide, makes a decent buck and is out innovating the Microsoft and the box assemblers.
The market forces that permitted Microsoft to decimate the sources of hardware innovation by switching production to smaller and smaller assemblers while forcing component makers to use fewer and fewer chassis are the very same ones that have also put a limit on Microsoft's ability to respond to ANY innnovation.
They have reached their limit to growth. Their success in the x86 market has in fact limited them to the x86 market. If they hadn't been so successful at it, they wouldn't be in this pickle.
Apple will adapt because it can, as the revenue streams of iTunes and iPod prove.
Microsoft was always parasitic and its 'hosts', the supply chain of huge chassis manufacturers and of mom-n-pop box assemblers, are now weakened to the point that they can't respond to ANY threat.
Microsoft will make a fascinating business case to study in the next century.
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When next group member arrive, I don't need to type the ip and port numbers of the printers behind our jetdirect server. No matter the new guy will use Windows, Mac or Linux.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
...rebooted
Loaded up VLC (watching the latest episode of CSI download via bittorrent).
What'da know... I can get a clean playback... skips, pixlization, lost audio, etc.
uninstalled Bonjour and life is good again.
Jesus fscking christ, Apple. If you're going to release Windows software, at least make sure it's ready for prime time.
Is anyone else getting in a weird loop of web pages when they try to download? When I click the download link, it takes me to the OSX information page. I can't seem to get the actual download.
So are these rules you just made up just now?
In standard US English speech, pronounciation of the letter 'H' is never aspirated. So HTML is 'aitch-tee-em-el' and HP is 'aitch-pee', and 'An HP' is correct.
Exhibit A
Yeah, they weren't at an all-time high in 2004, although they were on an upswing in terms of raw numbers sold.
Exhibit B
But come 2005, their unit sales were up 43%. So, taking a 3500KMac as the 2004 number, that means the 2005 number is around 5000KMac, which beats the 1996 spike.
So, apparently the ad campaign is working better than you think.
Then they're the same place.
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multi-messenger client for windows trillian has supported the mac rendezvous protocol since version 3 - which automatically detects other local machines, and allows you to send them instant messages over your LAN. yes, instant messages, not seconds of delay (MSN).
Tried it, and indeed they fixed it... zerconf now recognizes the shared printers, does not help with non network aware (Canon) drivers however, but that is not Apples fault.
[..]and to gain Apple switchers by enticing Windows customers."
I too am an Apple switcher. I power down every Mac I come across.
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Erm, what? Ever heard of networking protocols?
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Does all name resolution go through TCP/IP? I'd be surprised. Can't you use WINS over Netbios, or is that just versions past?
In any case, I stand by what I said:Think about when you're upgrading network drivers on Windows: it just stops the driver, replaces it and restarts it. No reboot required. You haven't needed to reboot for that sort of thing since Windows 2000.
Do you honestly think Apple sells itself copies of Tiger and iLife at retail to install them on its machines?
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or hamburger by the germans
or frankfurturs by the germans...
anybody got any more?
btw, anyone else see "better of dead" with john cusack?
"frawnch fries, frawnch toast... "etc. imdb doesn't have that quote... I kept waiting for her to serve the "frawnch tickler"
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
Although you might like to see a skinnable iTunes on WIndows, they are not providing it free just for fun - they are providing it free to further advertise Apple, and to stick a candle of GUI flame into a otherwise blackened pit of dispair.
:-) ) but it is there to give people a sense of what using Apple apps is like and to provide motivation for switchers.
Ok, perhaps that last part is a little strong (
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If by eventually, you mean never. Take a deep breath and let it go.
With both Apple and Google adding so many enhancements to Windows, is there really a point to Microsoft even completing Longhorn development anymore?
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Mod this funny, not troll. I suppose it all depends on knowledge of the reference though.
There are a lot of apps that use Rendezvous (Bonjour) and it's nice to see exactly what's going on. There are a lot more things using it than you might know. Gaim uses it to chat with iChat users, most modern printers use it, sshd, ftpd, httpd servers and clients use it, etc. etc. etc.. If you'd like to see what information is being exchanged, check out Rendezvous Browser. It's lists all the Rendezvous services that are being advertised on the network.
:)
After you've dug into that you might want to check out Rendezvous Proxy which lets you create custom Rendezvous beacons, advertising services for servers which don't have native Rendezvous support and servers which aren't in your LAN (Rendezvous messages stay within subnets). The tutorial even shows how to make slashdot appear in your Rendezvous bookmarks.
Finally, an SDK to help you getting your "app" to the other 10% of the market!
I use this Bonjour stuff a lot at work where I test gateways and routers. Because it's instantaneous it's very convenient when switching frequently between three or four networks, and I even installed it on my windows boxen because it's more reliable than netbios for accessing shares by hostname. Usually I just use it for things like smb://computername.local/sharename. The share mounts, I use it. I never really paid attention to what was going on underneath. Yesterday though, I had just reloaded a system and I wanted to put my home folder back before logging in with my own user. I created the account, enabled sshd, then ssh'd in by using "ssh username@computername.local". When ssh asked me if I wanted to accept the fingerprint I noticed that I had connected to the remote machine via it's IPv6 address. I thought this was interesting since I may have been using IPv6 all this time and not really known it since I wasn't paying attention to the protocol. Pretty cool that it really does just work, even when you don't know that it's secretly using IPv6.
Okay, go reread his post and mine. We're talking about acronyms which are pronounced spelled out ('HP' being the specific acronym with which he took issue, as well as 'HTML' and 'PHP' as examples of his crazy made up rule). I understand the difference between 'a' and 'an', I'm just saying that 'an' is always the correct one before 'H' pronounced as a letter. So, it's always 'An HP' because nobody pronounces HP as 'haitch pee'.
This is not a grammatical disagreement, this is a pronuciation disagreement.
Man, even I found this hilarious. Good job. :-D
Anyone suddenly have Princess Bride flashbacks?
"But you know that. And I know that you know that I know that.... so therefor the poison must be in this cup!"
That's exactly what I thought. A path for viruses to infect all Mac's they can find...
Tell that to the I.S. team at the place I'm working...
A 100 HP printers of the same model on my subnet, ALL WITH THE SAME "BONJOUR" NAME!
It kind of defeats the purpose...
-- p a n a p i c - panoramas des alpes: Mont-Blanc, Mont-Rose, Cervin, etc...
I like to think so...
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
XCode will work with any GCC-based cross compiler with little trouble. It can cross-compile for X86, the problem is using the system libraries (and thus, Cocoa).
Look at the XGrid "client" for linux. This could be ported to windows, and as long as you ship the proper bins to the proper clients you could use XGRid on windows, though totally unblessed.
The copper bosses killed you, Joe. 'I never died', said he.
I can't for the life of me recall the name of the thing right now, but does this mean that really rather neat collaborative text editor somebody put together for Apple, will be replicateable/portable to Windows?
fortune -o
Funny, that's exactly what I said when I discovered Linux :
Bonjour, Apple!
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
How is that ZERO CONFIGURATION? I guess the grandparent was right.
Would it be possible for this to allow a machine to act as a file server? If it makes iTunes libraries availiable, could it also make a networked drive or folder availiable?
Just stick "file://localhost/" in Opera's address bar & one ends up with a rudimentary equilivent of Window Explorer's 'My Computer'
I assume one could do similar with Firefox too.
Gingrich!!!!!!
Wait....wtf are you talking about?
A sentence you'll never see on an Internet discussion board: "You know what? You're right."
Had I any mod points I'd give you an 'interesting'
:-)
Su Senor saving karma for more of those -1 dings
OK, someone really needs to lose their crush on ASOTV.
"Informative"?? Jesus. "Human finds joke funny".
No offense ASOTV, a large number of your posts are worthy of the moderations they get, but this is just modpoint-fellatio.
I don't recall what the uPNP charter is, but it doesn't seem to support as much "zero configuration" as Bonjour does.
:)
For example does uPNP function as peer-to-peer DNS?
Before you question the value of this, know that 99% of home network users have to run around th check local IP addresses, even for their router (which is ideally positioned to say, create a local DNS record of 'router' with 192.168.1.1!)
Some of us will run internal DNS because we know how. Some of us know how to configure internal DNS, but cant be bothered for a small network.
There are probably other differences -- I hope there would be -- but maybe not. I'll know at the end of this thread.
Ahh. I'd wondered what the opposite of 'mod point sodomy' was. Now I know.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
You're a sick'un, aren't you?
Mind like that, you could probably get a job in Hollywood. Or, with the current administration, in Washington DC.
No, that was not a compliment.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
...this.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
UPnP not only tracks where devices are but has sub-protocols for using various devices. One popular device is a router, and UPnP has a protocol for telling the router to map an outside port to a port on an inside machine, which can be bad. But if you want to do it (like for BitTorrent), it is so difficult that only obsessed evil hackers have been able to figure out how. Bonjour doesn't get involved with this.
UPnP uses SOAP, which is procedure calls and returns formatted in XML over HTTP over TCP, which is VERY COMPLICATED. Just to find out where your router is (e.g., 192.168.1.1), both you and the router have to talk to a central server. UPnP is a whole family of new, centralized protocols, and the only thing people use it for so far is something security experts say is risky.
For a sense of the mindsets, look at the explanation of bonjour on Apple's page
http://developer.apple.com/networking/bonjour
Then compare the description on the UPnP organization's site:
http://upnp.org/
It's not just the methods but the goals that are different. Like, er, apples and oranges.
--Steve
Indeed it is Sir Coward.