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Canada and Denmark using Google as Battleground
TedRiot writes "Canada and Denmark are fighting over Hans Island using Google as battleground. A quick search of 'hans island' revealed a paid advertisement with the banner headline: 'Hans Island is Greenland. Greenland natives have used the island for centuries.' The ad was linked to the Danish government's foreign affairs web page with the letter condemning Graham's visit. Toronto resident Rick Broadhead placed a Google ad and said the Canadian government needs to get with the times." Reuters has coverage as well.
Searching for "hans island" (both with and without enclosing quotes) returns nothing as described in the summary and articles.
The first hit is an over-2-year-old Maritime Affairs (Canada) articleexplaining why Hans Island is (or should be) Canadian Territory. (Actually an interesting read...)
The second hit is the Wikipedia article.
In fact, the supposed site(s) is nowhere in the first page of hits.
Or the second page.
The news hits refer to Google supposedly having these ads, but that reference is somewhat circular, since I can't find the paid advertisement, banner, or site in question anywhere on Google.
The sponsored (ad) links on the right sidebar include a Web Design ad, and the marginally entertaining:
Hans Island - Dispute
Why Worry about Hans Island When
What you need is an Ergonomic Chair
www.ergo4me.com
A search for "Hans Island is Greenland" returns nothing but...you guessed it, the news articles claiming there's a paid site on Google that says "Hans Island is Greenland." Likewise for "Hans Island is {Canadian|Canada}." Now, I'm not saying the articles are lying (and perhaps Google pulled the ads for some reason), but since this article is exclusively about how the battle for Hans Island is being taken to Google, and is entitled "Politics: Canada and Denmark using Google as Battleground", well, I'd love to see it.
Because I see nothing except someone pimping knockoff ergonomic chairs with eBay-style "searchsquatting".
And, amusingly, as I'm typing this article, I see more paid hits appearing. Google started with one. Then the ergonomic chair ad was added. Now, as I'm about to post, there is a "Hans Island is Canada" link...by vaginainstitute.com, a site apparently dedicated to, erm, researching vaginas.
i hope the danes and canada go to war over this..
with these two military powers squaring off somebody is bound to lose an eye
CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!!
Canada being soft I understand, but Denmark? These people used to be Vikings, shessh!
I say the settle it with a friendly game of Risk and call it a day.
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As a Canadian, I must admit I've never heard of this debate until now. I find it intriguing, but even more so is the nature of the argument. Now perhaps its just me, but does it not remind you of two siblings fighting over a small toy?
Except on a grander scale.
Hans Island belongs to Greenland
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Hans Island belongs to Canada
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What are they gonna do with Google, search for locations to fight at? :)
Fallout 3 will suck.
yet another piece of 'news' that has already had wide exposures on other sites.
Someone remind me again why I read this site?
Oh yeah - for the dups!
If you're not living on the edge, you're just taking up space!
Because fighting over barren sand isn't interesting enough, now we have folks bickering over a barren rock in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. Yeah- go Western Civilization! w00t!
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
A piece of rock barely as big as a football field.
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
NO! That's MY ice-field!
It's 1.3 square km. in the Arctic. The only good use for that spot is another Starbucks.
Oh how cute...unarmed Western nations bickering and threatening each other...(pats each on their fluffy heads)
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
Well, let's face it, all the really good territory was long ago claimed, so all that's left are miscellaneous chunks of rock that are sticking out of the water here and there. My solution is to bring in about fifty thousand pounds of dynamite.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I can confirm that the ad does show up. the link goes to here.
What I feel bad about is the fact that these ads were placed by citizens of their respective countries. Now that slashdot will be battering the click-through into oblivion... at $.05 a click...
might get mighty expensive...
It's an unhabitable island. Can't even get to it during the winter and it's really tiny.
What do they want from it exactly?
World War III begins here!
And all this time when they said "future wars will be fought by computer", I had a totally other idea in mind.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
Just search google GROUPS:
n d
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=han's+isla
Turns up this gem:
"Return to Han's Island" ETD2
(bouncing off an original suggested title "Han's Island",
besides, "Blood and Steel" was taken)
Bolo [Yang Tze] is alive and now controls the island,
which is now a training ground. The island is a shadow of
its former self. Everything has been dismantled by the
authorities. No radios, electricity, no drugs or servants.
It's a primitive island. Bolo is much older now and needs
glasses because he's become extremely nearsighted.
Meanwhile, a tiny ship sets out on a three hour tour and
quickly finds itself storm tossed on the rough sea waters.
Passengers and crew of "The USS Minnow" Gilligan, the skipper,
the millionaire, his wife, the movie star, the professor and
Mary Ann are on the ship which sets ground on the opposite side
of Han's Island.
The castaways at first think they are alone on an uncharted
desert isle, but gradually come to realize they are not alone.
As fate would have it, Gilligan loses his hat and clothes in the
wreck, but finds some kung fu pants and a white gi.
Extremely nearsighted Bolo trips over a sleeping Gilligan
while practicing martial arts on the beach, Bolo loses his
glasses in the sand and he mistakes Gilligan for Bruce Lee.
Gilligan is taken prisoner by Bolo's men and is prepared to
participate against his will in a fight to the death with Bolo.
The castaways each try to free Gilligan from captivity.
Skipper knows judo and tries to fight Bolo ("Little buddy,
I'll save ya!") and is knocked on his butt. The millionaire
tries to bribe Bolo, but his million-dollar check written
on the back of a leaf is torn up ("Must be a Yale man!").
The movie star tries to seduce Bolo, but is rebuffed.
Mary Ann tries to get to Bolo by feeding him a big meal,
but he eats and drinks everyone under the table.
During the feast, the Professor use the diversion to search the
island and discovers the old prison compound and finds the HAM
radio that Bruce Lee used in Enter The Dragon. With a little
knowhow and a few cocoanuts, he manages to get the radio working
and tries to send a distress signal.
All seems lost as the fight draws near. Before the fight,
the professor slips Gilligan a mild does of curare which
paralyses Gilligan moments after the fight begins. Bolo
declares victory.
A rescue boat arrives but Bolo and his henchmen take it over
and leave the island and the castaways behind. Gilligan is now
revived and the Skipper beats him over the head with his hat
as the rescue boat drifts into the sunset.
THE END
-- Boycott Shell
I wonder if the publicity (and slashdotting) forced the Google ad. over it's daily limit? (For those who don't know, when you buy a Google ad. you specify how much you want to pay for clicks per day -- go over that limit and your ad. doesn't appear.)
Hmmm...now to "research" the vaginainstute.com ad...
This is nothing but Rick Broadhead looking for a little attention - I guess the "consulting" biz has been a little slow lately.
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please type the word in this image: relative
it is the surrounding waters that are important. If you own a tiny spec of an island, then you can claim 200km or economic sea waters around it. This area may contain oil, manganese nodules, fish, whatever. One example is a tiny little French island in the middle of the Canadian oil fields off the coast of Newfoundland. Canada doesn't want that to happen again. As the sea ice keeps melting, the northern tundra and sea passage becomes more important. Canada has to enforce its authority there.
Oh well, what the hell...
It seems that there is hope that this senseless war can be avoided. I don't like the thought of so many brave Canadian and Danish soldiers being tragically lost in the frozen wasteland of the Arctic. And the last thing that ANYONE wants to deal with is the Hansian insurgency.
Perhaps the Danes could respond by offering pizza with Canadian bacon in their cafeteria...
Will it interefere with Slashdot's "business relationship" with Google?
Google, which was about the last one in the contextual advertising space to jump on the (somewhat annoying, honestly) "ads in RSS" bandwagon, has now filed for a patent on embedding ads in syndicated content.
Get your friggin' Hans off our island, okay?
Maybe it's the slashdot bias (i bet lot of ppl coming from slashdot are googling it), but the only sponsored ad I see is "WebDesign By Skilled Team
Very professional and affordable".
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
'Twas a bitter day, that day they came,
Canucks and Danes, both ready to say,
"This isle is ours, so piss off you jerks,
Or we'll Google and Slashdot the entire works!"
Well, Canada blustered, and Denmark stomped,
And some nerdie netizens submitted the lot,
To Google fine, that online star,
To win an island that could fit in a jar.
When it came to blows, aye those blows did ring,
As North Atlantic seals all gathered to see,
These crazy goddamn bastards fight for Hans,
The most ludicrous, uninhabitable chunk of land.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The Inhumanity of War.
//It's dirt, who cares.
As another Canadian recently returned to Canada, I can tell you why they're fighting over it -- however stupid the whole notion is.
We are fighting with the Danish over this to enforce our sovereignty. Unfortunately, like private arena disputes over copyright, failure to exert sovereignty means you effectively cede control over an area. Lose it if you don't use it, more or less.
We actually have a First Nations military unit dedicated to looking after our interests in remote northern communities.
You can read an entertaining article about the Canadian Rangers here.
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Death will come, and will have your eyes
-- Pavese
An opinion is an opinion.. If you don't like what someone says, thats why we have the reply button.
Reverting to "MOD PARENT DOWN" when you don't like someone or their argument is pretty childish and pretty pathetic.
This battle is not merely over tiny little Hans Island. It is part of the positioning of Arctic countries, including Canada and Denmark (via Greenland), for access to the Arctic Sea. The Sea is now clearly destined to remain navigable for most, if not all, of the year, due to Greenhouse warming that has melted over 40% of the previous Summer ice. At 9% melt per decade, already begun, many ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_passagef us will live to see the European "holy grail" of the Northwest Passage finally gained. The more national territory around the circle, the easier it will be for ships to travel under that nation's "protection". Subject to its rules and taxes, of course.
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Why didn't Argentina and Britain think of that? They could have saved all money painting the QE2. Since there was no Google at the time, they could've used finger or gopher or something.
What?
Which might become more important as time goes on with global warming--I don't know how much fishing might go on at that latitude. Nations sometimes go all out for fishing rights. Right now South Korea has troops on the Takeshima (as the Japanese call them) or Dokdo (in Korean) island and it's causing a little bit of tension. Of course there's also some oil in the region which probably doesn't help matters either.
Well, you started it by occupying it.
I'm from Greenland and have only ever once noted the dispute; looking in the CIA World Factbook entry for Denmark, at the bottom you can see the dispute at the bottom of the page, mentioned in one sentence.
As another Canadian, I'm far more concerned by the USA's refusal to recognise the water between Canadian Arctic Islands as internal waters of Canada. This has resulted in a few environmental and militaristic shinnanigans.
Here's hoping no one finds oil off the coast up there.
since when did canada have a military?
hell, since when did denmark have a military?
i say let denmark have it, that way they could double their land mass.
the only good thing about denmark is they are not german.
My fellow Dutch-men, the time has come to reclaim New Amsterdam! Let's all buy ads claiming our land!
This reminds me of myself and my sister fighting over a cookie when we were a kids. My mother solved the dispute by making one of us divide the cookie in two, and the other got to choose which half they wanted.
This is actually far more important than siblings fighting over a toy.
For one there is a natural resources issue. There are billions of barrels of oil buried along the north slope of Alaska and Canada not too far from this island.
Second, and possibly more importantly, there is a key territory issue. The polar ice caps are melting and it is predicted that within the next 50 years they will have melted enough to allow circumpolar shipping routes to open through the arctic. The country who controls the waters this route passes through effectively controls the route and will therefore own what will likely be the worlds most important shipping lane. (Europe to west coast USA, and Europe to China/East Asia) The idea here is that this route will pass within the territorial boundary marker of Hans Island. Denmark has far more to lose in this regard, because without Hans Island their westernmost border is Greenland which is nowhere near the upcoming shipping lanes. Canada on the other hand will probably get a piece of the pie either way.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security
Wow.
I think you've trolled me before, but anyone is welcome to look at my web page:
http://das.doit.wisc.edu/
There is nothing remotely having anything to do with Christianity, much less fundamentalist Christianity, anywhere in it. In fact, there's nothing even about politics or religion in it.
And since I know of troll of this nature would probably claim that I "just changed it", please feel free to look at the http://das.doit.wisc.edu/>wayback machine archives of my web page.
Further, this Google comment has nothing to do with Bush, right wing politics, religion, or anything asserted in this troll post. And yes, please do look at my posting history. You'll find that out of my over-1000 posts, probably 5 of them are along the lines of the "before anyone bashes Bush..." variety. They're all also typically highly moderated, meaning they're not trolls or flamebait in the opinion of mods and metamods (because they're generally not). Further, I have not said anything remotely related to evangelism or fundamentalist Christianity, or indeed really Christianity or religion at all except tangentially, in any of my posts, or anywhere else on the web.
So in short, I have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
we may get our pie either way, but this time we are going to be "American" and what the fucken cake too!!
and 1 meeelion dollars
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-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
Deny both Canada and Denmark: have the US annex Greenland. That way we can have the Canadians surrounded on three sides, and it's a long, cold swim to Russia! Mwa-ha-ha! :)
http://www.google.ca/maps?q=Ellesmere+Island,+Cana da&ll=80.829156,-66.599121&spn=1.041906,10.301331& hl=en
Why don't both countries just divide the island in half?
ANY MOVE THAT INFRINGES UPON CANADIAN SOVERIEGNTY SHOULD BE MET WITH THE GREATEST OF FORCE AGAINST THE DANES.
THE DANISH GOVERNMENT HAS ATTEMPTED (without success) TO INVADE CANADA A TOTAL OF THREE TIMES IN THE PAST 15 YEARS. It is bad enough that true and proud Canadian culture is being ENCROACHED UPON by less than tasteful americanism, but to be invaded by WARSHIPS is UNACCEPTABLE.
Here are somethings that we can do to protest the Danish government and it's hostile actions:
- Rename danishes to Artic Freedom Delights and boycott resturants like Tim Hortons if they do not abide.
- Burn Hans Christian Anderson books
- If you haven't already, boycott Metallica, which you should be doing anyways because of their unwaivering support of the RIAA.
- Fight against danish lies. It was an ITALIAN who discovered electromagnetism. But Danish propaganda fooled most of the world.
- Declare PHP a Canadian invention. The Danish Government doesn't want you to know this, but Mr. Lerdorf WAS A CANADIAN CITIZEN.
These are all peaceful political protests, but we Canadians should be ready to face the reality of the situation. After all, the danes did try to invade Canada at least three times. We still have to explore all diplomatic possibilities, but if you are a proud Canadian, when the time comes, you will take up arms to defend the Great North from the invaders. This is the Cold War of the 21st Century. CANADIAN INTERESTS AND SOVEREIGNTY MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS.
OH CANADA, I STAND ON GAURD FOR THEE
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
It's not the island by itself that is important to these two nations - the important point is that the island grants the nation maritime territorial rights.
As a Canadian, I want my government to commit all military resources. Both the boats and all four canoes.
I've been researching the territorial dispute of Hans Island for the last six years in my graduate studies in Geology.
Hans Island is 12.3 km away from the Canadian territory, while it is 52.2 km away from Greenland (which is under the Danish protectorate). As defined by International Fishing Law, the country with the nearest border can claim the island. It has happened in Samoa, Madasgascar, and of course New Hampshire in the past.
The Danish would be wise to retreat as the Canadian troops can occupy and defend the island a lot quicker than the troops stationed in Greenland. Considering the nuclear capabilities of Canada, it would ill-conceived to launch a conventional assault at Hans Island. While Denmark would have the ecominical leverage of the EU, Canada would count on the support of the NATO especially considering recent fishing treaties with Spain, Portugal and Morocco.
Which is nice.
n/t
This space available.
The Danes say the countries' history of friendly relations should not be subjected to periodic squabbles over a frigid rock barely larger than a football field just south of the North Pole.
At least it's accurate; they could have said something really stupid like "just west of the North Pole".
You think that Solo would be mad if Canada went to war with Denmark over his island? What are the odds?
Fuck Hans Island. Lemme have a look at vaginainstitute.com.:D
hilarious
This is the first double Pleonasm i've ever seen.
The rock is next to the north pole, so it is obviously cold -duh.
The island is south of the North pole. Yes, the entire planet is south of the north pole -duh!
For those that dont understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm
And this matters to the OP post how?
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Apparently it has been going on since 1973, so it is not a new debate. Just that from time ot time somone need to say, we still want this little rock (and the 200 nautical mile around it). So hte others don't get it.0 5/HansOe.htm
http://www.navalhistory.dk/Danish/SoevaernsNyt/20
Has a nice picture of the island.
That reminds me of How to lose money with your art:
"mary !!!
I love you
come back
john"
Surely these "ads" of the same kind will be removed soon?
the sun is god
I say Canada and Denmark wait this one out a while. After a decade or so of global there won't be anything left of this island.
It's not a reply to the OP. It's a reply to its parent post.
Wow, I didn't mean that as a troll. I'm actually concerned by that prospect.
This is nausiating to say the least. We (Canada) have so much land, we don't needs hans. Let's stop acting like fucken god damn 2 year olds and let Greenland have it, who cares! It makes me sick that this is even is even deemed newsworthy in the slightest!
I'm not anti-microsoft. I'm anti-bullshit. Which means I'm anti-microsoft.
Just wait until Google decides that one of the ads isn't popular enough (or whatever) and yanks all the ads from whichever side they disagree with.
I mean, they've not been above taking sides elsewhere--search for "gay marriage" and look at the sponsored links. You'll see only one side of the issue represented.
Perhaps you agree with them in this case, and it's certainly within their perogative to censor whomever they please--that's one thing--but if the issue is so divisive, why do they only sponsor one side of it?
Given how important Google is becoming to computer users everywhere, their neutrality (or the lack thereof) may become important for anyone who finds their ideas to be unpopular with Google.
Especially with what they're willing to do in places like China.
The thought of internet ads becoming a battle ground like tv ads during the 2000/2004 US presidential campaign is a nightmare.
All Your Hans Island Are Belong To Us!
This is like two bald men fighting over a comb
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
As a Canadian I feel we should solve this problem once and for all... just sink the island... how much could it cost for a dredging platform. It's only the size of football field.
The thought of internet ads becoming a battle ground like tv ads during the 2000/2004 US presidential campaign is a nightmare.
I can just see the senate debate in 2007 or 2008 over the use of popup-blockers and ad-killing proxies.
As it should be. Same with anti-Muslim, anti-Jew, and anti-everything else that is irrational, unscientific, and downright stupid.
Hope that helps.
Irrelevant. This issue and all replies (including this one) are offtopic and irrelevant to the debate. The issue isn't whether or not what the offtopic issues being raised are true or not, or even if they deserved to be raised, but the fact that it has NOTHING at all to do with the topic of the story.
This is not a proper venue for having this type of discussion, especially when the attacks are ad hominem and do not even remotely affect the statments the person in question is making, since he made no political opinions whatsoever.
This entire thread is pathetic and the people who are wasting everyone's time and bandwidth by starting this bullshit should be ashamed for being so petty and callous.
They used it for centuries and I'm sure people in northern Canada have too since they are probably the same people.
How about letting the Inuit (not sure if they are the same in Greenland) have the island as an autonomous region? In a way it would be shared by Canada, Greenland and the indeginous people of the area.
The vestiges of colonialism rears its ugly, racist, nationalistic head.
A cowardly troll if ever I saw one.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
I'm with you on that one, I think I actually saw a show about that recently. I believe that they were saying as there's less and less of an ice cap, that companies/countries are looking to exploit the northwest passage and stuff...if only we had a way to defend it--like submarines.
I saw the Sign, and it opened up my eyes
I was with the Canadian Hydrographic Service surveying the area in 1976. Boy is it barren.
The claim that Greenland Natives used the island for centuries is quite suspect. There are not now, nor have there ever been a lot of people up there. Southern Greenland (where the vikings settled) is near unfrozen sea. The sea between Greenland and Ellismere Island is frozen for most of the year. There have been periods of hundreds of years when there was no settlement at all near there. There were probably as many Canadian Innuit on the island as there were Greenlanders. Good luck proving it though.
The high arctic is so barren that the Canadian government actually had to resettle eskimos (now they call themselves Innuit) there in the fifties. Most of the life is below the ice and it is quite thick. Most of the plant life is quite small, a few lichens and sedges (like grass). There are a few rodents, some foxes, some wolves and polar bears. The polar bears hunt seals by pulling them up through their breathing holes in the ice. Human life isn't quite impossible there.
Given that there is hardly any settlement there, Canada has to work at maintaining soveriegnty.
The territory was unclaimed prior to 1985,
Allowing a European nation (denmark) to effectively claim new territory in waters of North America violates the Monroe Doctrine. While Canada is not a very good claimant its the only claimant that is compatible with US interests. If Greenland were independent it wouldnt be an issue, but I dont like the idea of Canada being forced to cede territory in North America to the EU(denmark).
Patrick Zevo, "Toys" (1992): I can't even eat. The food keeps touching. I like military plates, I'm a military man, I want a military meal. I want my string beans to be quarantined! I like a little fortress around my mashed potatoes so the meatloaf doesn't invade my mashed potatoes and cause mixing in my plate! I HATE IT when food touches! I'm a military man, you understand that? And don't let your food touch either, please?
"Love is like pi - natural, irrational, and very important." (Lisa Hoffman)
There's a small patch of land in Florida that nobody uses because it's a deep, festering swamp. Nobody can live there, so who cares if I take it?
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Excellent points. Considering the rate of Artic melting, perhaps Canada should go back and plant a flag with a somewhat taller flagpole?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
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Well, you started it by occupying it.
:D
The natives in Canada say that sometimes too... but look what happened in the end.
-1 Uncomfortable Truth
Here we have a dispute over territory between two fairly civilized and democractic countries, and military action extremely impropable.
There's no way the US can come claim it harbors terrorists or evil dictators. So why can't we just leave the US out of this? The countries involved are Canada and Denmark...
- These characters were randomly selected.
General: Let's go get those Danish hosers! Troops: General: uhhhh....and then we'll go fishing, eh? Troops: YEA! LET'S GET 'EM!
Islands want to be free!
...apparently so are idiot coward um...AC's. (Yeah, redundant I know, but I just got off work and I'm tired and really fucking cranky.) If you have an opinion, chime in with it, but AT LEAST have the balls to log in first and not post AC...or are you afraid of a lil' Karma?
(Speaking of which...sigh...oh well, it happens.)
A.A
Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's been opened.
Ice hockey sticks vs. cans of Tuborg
The Danes can have Hans Island if they give us Greenland. It'll help satisfy our expansionistic tendancies and we'll make the Russians uneasy. Look out Alaska!
Little known fact, the Alaskan panhandle is American simply because the Brits felt giving it to the U.S. would help encourage them to join a war against the Kaiser. Course they balked on the deal and didn't show up until 3 years into it. America should give it back.
(At least we geeks only argue about important things like the superiority of emacs over vi.)
Unlimited growth == Cancer.
For your information I am neither Canadian nor Danish. However after reading the info on both sides it seems to me that Denmark is the rightful owner. After all Denmark owned Greenland long before Canada even existed. Canada is a very young country.
I believe that whenewer there is a conflict between a young an an old country the old country must prevail, the young MUST respect the old.
Another example: Iraq is the oldest country on Earth (Summer, the oldest state on Earth was in Mesopotamia), while US is only 200+ years old. Therefore Irak should prevail, the young must respect the old. BTW, I am neither Arab nor Muslim, I am an Atheist of Christian background.
Yes, and by using Google + phrases from Zero Wing,
we soon find a peaceful solution to this conflict.
Take off every Hans Island 468,000
Move Hans Island 523,000
>;k
Apparently (at least one of) the moderators hate Christians too.
Well, waste your mod points on your hate.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
Can they both lose?
Fuck it
All your Hans Island are belong to us
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The territory was involved in the Denmark-Canada artic territories dispute in the 1970s so it was not left unclaimed until 1985, both nations have claimed the island and the resulting maritime area.
No the US would not have to intervene, but the US governement could choose to do so, as a means to push other maritime territorial issues into the public arena.
Would you please clarify your statement that Canada is not a very good claimant in this dispute?
The solution to this territorial dispute is really quite simple.
Canada should build a permanent settlement on the island - a humble cabin equipped with a satellite dish, diesel fuel tanks, a generator, and a large store of rations.
Some lucky private from the Canadian armed forces would be dispatched to guard the island in 3-month shifts, equipped with lots of pornography and a 50 calibre machine gun to scare off any encroaching Danish helicopters.
In response, Canada sends its most powerful warship...
What! Canada has a warship?
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
In response, Canada sends its most powerful warship...
What! Canada has a warship?
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
Nuke the island and be done with it.
Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the author.
+5 insightful?! Misinformed at best.
For one there is a natural resources issue. There are billions of barrels of oil buried along the north slope of Alaska and Canada not too far from this island.
Look on a map? Here's one. That white spec is Hans Island, in the sound between Greenland and Ellesmere Island. Now zoom out and check the distance to the Canadian-Alaskan border where the oil. It's pretty damn far. (Yes, the distance is distorted in this projection, but it's still about half the width of the USA.)
The idea here is that this route will pass within the territorial boundary marker of Hans Island. Denmark has far more to lose in this regard, because without Hans Island their westernmost border is Greenland which is nowhere near the upcoming shipping lanes.
This is complete nonsense. Again, Hans Island is in the sound between Ellesmere island and Greenland. Not Baffin Island. It is not anywhere near the North Western passage. (Heck, the island isn't even in-frame on Wikipedia's map)
And Denmark hasn't made any claim to the Northwest Passage anyway. The USA has though. (Or rather, the USA does not recognize it as Canadian waters)
It appears that the vagina had the last laugh.
Lindsay Blanton
RadioReference.com
ATLEAST (as you would say in CAPS) have the balls to reveal your real name and address and not post under a pseudonym....or are you afraid of a lil' Karma?
A.C.
I better start saying im a proud Dane. :)
I havent heard about it until a few weeks ago either. The "case" has been resting since the 70's -where i was actually busy fighting with my brother about small toys.
I have no clue who is actually entitled to it, im sure there are many opinions about that, but i think most wouldnt give a damn about the island itself - which is more useless than melted snowball, but...
When/if climate changes, the island can become more important,actually the vicinity around it. I have heard oil and fishing industry mentioned too in this context. So i can understand why nobody just wants to let go of it.
Maybe we should split the island like Berlin after WW2..
Or maybe Denmark should just send the entire fleet (both ships) and invade Canada !
50 years? MAn!! Try next 20 years. The polar ice cap will be melted completely for at least the "summer" by 2025 with only floating ice.
In 50 years there will be very significant melt in the Antarctic (ie. the land based ice). Greenland might be green again in 50-100 years.
The Global Warming is not gradual in the Arctic. It is accelerating, FAST. There are already 5-6C average increase in temp. there. And that is NOW.
This whole thing reminds me of the Terry Pratchett novel Jingo.
Overnight, an island basically pops up out of the sea, right smack-bang equidistant between Klatch and the city-state of Ankh-Morpork, and suddenly everyone's arguing about going to war to "knock johnny foreigner" off of their bit of land.
Damn shame there's no roundworld equivalent of Sir Samuel Vimes who's going to go and arrest everyone forcing the argument over this for "disturbing the peace", "loitering with intent to cause an affray" (occupying the island with troops), and basically throw the dickheads claiming it as their own into prison for 30 days.
It would be nice if Hans Island just sunk into the ocean and disappeared. Wouldn't the people claiming the place as their own have egg on their faces then?
`Haha, you silly bastards lost an island!'
His name is Robert Paulsen...
As far as I know there is no diplomatic treaty between any European Nation and the US about the Monroe Doctrine and thus no European Nation has to respect it. If US wants to enforce the Monroe Doctrine they should sign diplomatic treaties with other sovereign nations about it.
When Monroe was president US was a new and weak nation, no European power cared about what Monroe said or wanted. For example, five decades after Monroe, when Napoleon III sent an army to Mexico, he did not care about the Monroe Doctrine and neither did the US. If US cared, they would have sent an army to Mexico to fight the French troops.
To quote google:
News results for hans island - View today's top stories
Island squabble goes Google - CNN International - 28 Jul 2005
How trippy is that? The top thing on the page is a news link about how the issue has hit google. Still no sign of what the article is mentioning, but the story about it is quite prominent!
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
Actually, if that's true about sovereignty, it's totally unlike copyright. One reason there's so many people who object to current copyright laws is that failure to enforce your copyright means ... absolutely nothing to the future enforceability of it. Hence, something someone created and published in 1930 and then died fifty years later is still copyrighted, but it might be very difficult to find out who holds the copyright and get to license it. Patents similarly last until their expiration, which is why GIFs were under-the-radar till the holder of a patent covering an aspect of the format decided they wanted to enforce it.
Trademarks, however, do require enforcement to remain, because if I start referring to all cola softdrinks as 'coke', then when I say 'coke', you don't know if I'm talking about Coca-Cola's softdrink, or Pepsi's, or Tarax's, or whoever else's who make a cola softdrink. (Of course, I do, and so do most people unless they looove Coca-Cola and haaate Pepsi, but its fair enough that legal recognition of genericisation of trademarks is a slow process.)
(This post says nothing about the requirement of enforcing sovereignty to maintain it. I don't know anything about that.)
Look out!
...why don't they bid against each other for it? Then the winner pays a price they thought was worth it, and the loser gets more money than they viewed the island as being worth.
Waiiii!!!!!! I have bad karma!
Here is Hans Island:
4 3463,-67.236328&sll=37.062500,-95.677068&spn=3.465 168,16.699219&sspn=68.872962,70.312500&num=4&start =0&hl=en
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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hans+island&ll=80.6
As you can see, this island is in a straight between Canada and Greenland. It's not in international waters - it's pretty much right on the line between Canada and Greenland. Control of this island has no bearing whatsoever on control of natural resources, nor does it have any bearing on control of a shipping route - both because Canada and Greenland each control one half of the straight no matter who controls the island, and because nobody would ship through this straight in the first place - it's quite a bit north of any northwest passage route (and also nowhere near alaska).
Maybe next time you should figure out where the island is before you pretend you have a clue.
paintball
So why can't we just leave the US out of this?
What? Leave the US out when the poor Hansians have been living for decades under a brutal dictatorship?
Who's going to liberate all that oil, uh I mean all those poor Hansians?
hans island belongs to me
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So quit fighting over my property!
...if you're a successful, Canadian /. reader, perhaps you could be swayed by the likes of this page http://www.efficientmarket.ca/article/Hans_Island? code=hi5 to ensure that our heritage, land mass and common property stays where it needs to be: in the land of the snapping beaver!
Perhaps we could pursuade Conrad Black to retire there, and get the annoying pus-bag out of the headlines for a whil... Oh. He's British now. Nevermind. Call Dalton McGuinty instead.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
Hans Island first, THE WORLD NEXT!
/drinking Tim Horton's coffee and eating a Freedom Pastry
Fear Canada!!
This War is being fought on Americas Army server 126.967.54.37:136 Hans Island Map - Canada ahead 35 frags to the Danes 9!
You will be crushed under the the Danish military might...
actually, I have also had you do your pro-bush crap on me as well, but you got modded down for it (of course, from your POV, it is just the liberal side of /. rather than a rant by you).
But you know what, I still believe in freedom, so you are free to do as you see fit (sadly, you would deny me that if you were allowed; that is they difference between a right-winger and a liberatarian).
The real issue is whether the nothern passage is Canadian or International. US supports the later claim. Hans Island going to Canada would lend weight to the Canadian ownership of the Northern Passage.
that you did the very same thing you claim to be arguing against in your comment? The GP was expressing an opinion (and you say "An opinion is an opinion" whatever that is supposed to mean). Then you reverted to your own "MOD PARENT DOWN" because you didn't like the argument/opinion, THUS implying that you yourself are childish/pathetic by your own argument. WTG *clap* *clap*
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While Canada is not a very good claimant its the only claimant that is compatible with US interests.
If that's what it comes down to, I say we give it to Denmark, just to spite the USA. Those fuckers are still screwing us over softwood trade despite several international rulings that what they are doing is wholly illegal. And there's the beef embargo. And there's the assholes in some podunk state wanting to pump all their polluted water into Manitoba. And there's the whole issue of NAFTA and its screwing-Canada terms on all natural resources.
Grrr. Being allied with the USA sucks.
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Grrr. Being allied with the USA sucks.
Ya, I'm sure it's better being an enemy of the USA.
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There are billions of barrels of oil buried along the north slope of Alaska and Canada not too far from this island.
You're uninformed and/or wrong. This island is absolutely nowhere near Alaska.
The territory was unclaimed prior to 1985,
_ territories_and_their_relations_with_the_EU#Greenl and
Allowing a European nation (denmark) to effectively claim new territory in waters of North America violates the Monroe Doctrine. While Canada is not a very good claimant its the only claimant that is compatible with US interests. If Greenland were independent it wouldnt be an issue, but I dont like the idea of Canada being forced to cede territory in North America to the EU(denmark).
Greenland is not a part of the Union:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state
If Greenland claiming Hans Island would be a problem with the Monroe doctrine, then Canada claiming it would be too, considering who's queen.
I got the following caption in the "sponsored links"
Hans Island - Dispute
Whats the big deal? Everyone
knows it belongs to Canada!
www.ergo4me.com
And it links to an article about how the guy is a Canadian and thinks it should be part of Canada.
http://www.ergo4me.com/howtobuy.php
Damn politicians. Does it REALLY take a geek to see the obvious solution here?
According to the linked article:
The countries agreed in 1973 to draw a border halfway between Greenland - a semi-autonomous Danish territory - and Canada's Ellesmere Island.
Just go on eBay and buy two bloody GPS units. Give one to the Canadian representative and one to the Danish representative. If they want to be anal about it just flip a coin to decide who gets each one.
Phase one the Canadian places his GPS unit anywhere he likes on dry land on Canada's Ellesmere Island and the same for Danish representative placing his GPS unit anywhere in Greenland. Obviously the each wants to place their GPS units as close to Hans Island as possible.
In order to avoid stupid tide-based games each GPS unit must remain in place for 24 hours, if a unit gets wet then that side forfits. If both units get wet then they're both idiots and they both obviously forfit Hans Island to Paraguay ownership.
Phase two is to find the center of Hans Island. The two representatives place their GPS units on opposite ends of the island. Obviously each side wants to place their unit as close to their own territory as possible. Again the units are left in place for 24 hours with the same forfit rule if a unit unit gets wet, except this time if both units get wet the idiots obviously forfit of Hans Island to Kazakhstan ownership.
You then average the two readings on Hans Island and calculate the distance to each of the readings in the first phase. Whichever side is closer wins.
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As a fellow Canadian, I'm rather alarmed by this knee-jerking reaction. I don't mean to pick on you particularly, it really is a problem with a lot of Canadians.
See, a lot of Canadians hate the US because they're so evil, for lack of a better term. I share a similar view actually. However, we mustn't let feelings overcome rational thinking. Else, we would be harmed in the end.
In this specific issue, I believe there is a border dispute between Yukon and Alaska. If Canada is to lose Hans Island, it might set a dangerous precedent. The US would take advantage of this and try to redraw the border between Alaska and Yukon. So you see, more research is always preferable than knee-jerking reaction.
I happy to see that US high schools aren't the only ones turning out illiterate, profane idiots.
Canada has some very nice submarines bought from the UK. No wait....
Its not a treaty, it is a stated cornerstone of US foreign policy. The United States does not allow European powers to gain new colonies in the Americas. If any European power feels ready to go head to head with the US armed forces...feel free to try.
Lets put it this way, I oppose the war in Iraq but I have no problem with the US enforcing its monroe doctrine and if that includes the US supporting independence for Greenland from Denmark to settle the matter I have no problem with that either.
As for Napoleon III we DID Care... in 1863 however we were a little busy with something called the American Civil War. A mere year and half after the civil war ended, Napoleons little puppet was executed.
Or maybe Denmark should just send the entire fleet (both ships) and invade Canada !
Well, it would have to be quick. We need to gear up for the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812 with our pals to the south.
The place is called "Hans Ø". Even if we write it "Hans Island" it's still a distinctly Scandinavian name. So let's do what we always do: Blame Canada.
Touche'. Let's take Alaska while we're at it, then. They seem more like Canucks than Americans anyways, what with their marijuana initiatives, salmon, and midnight sun.
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All These Islands Are Yours
Except Hans.
Attempt No Landing There.
Use Them Together.
Use Them In Peace.
Troof. Muzzies and Jews have weird logic.
Jew logic:
Me: 2 + 3 = 5
Phil "Jew" Kaplan: 2 + 2 = $423,095,092
Q.E.D.
This must explain why they have all of the money and control Hollywood
Muzzies oppose the advancements of higene:
Frederick the rational atheist: Toilet paper is used for higenic applications
Abdullah Mullah Muzzie: Wipe the ass with fist, praise Allah, eat, praise Allah again
Yick.
Ha! With oil fields up there? No way in hell would US ever give it up. I think they just passed a new bill to drill for oil up there.
Anti-Christian hate speech is popular on Slashdot.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
That would make for one of the quickest war crimes trials in Hague history.
-Eric
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Since when is the Rangers a "First Nations military unit"!?
Get a grip.
Any Canadian would tell you so.
You may think the mentioned reasons for the dispute here sound stupid, but they are the actual reasons for the dispute! Wars are known to be fought for non-existent reasons these days, you know. The free map of oil resources doesn't have any oil around Hans Ø (Hans Island as it has always been called in Danish) because it hasn't been found yet, but it is likely that that there is some oil.
I'm Danish, but I'd welcome a Canadian invasion as Denmark partakes in the US invasion of Afganistan, Iraq a.o. and lets the US Army build military bases on Greenland - including Weapons of Mass Destructions (TM), Missile Shilds and the gods only knows what other evils.