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Jack Thompson vs Amazon?

Zorglub writes "Feeling his book page at Amazon has been harassed by bad reviews, nasty tags, and a user-submitted vomit pic, anti-game lawyer Jack Thompson threatens to sue Amazon if the offending material isn't removed."

300 comments

  1. book link! by StonedRat · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:book link! by JPriest · · Score: 1

      You MUST mouse over some of the small thumbnails just under the cover picture to see the vomit and the comic.

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    2. Re:book link! by Pneuma+ROCKS · · Score: 2, Funny

      And for those who don't know Jack Thompson: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson. Quote:

      Thompson is fluent in Bullshit and has a Black Belt in Dumbfuckery.
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    3. Re:book link! by odourpreventer · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Jack look a bit like Jon Stewart on the Daily Show? An elderly, grey-haired version.

    4. Re:book link! by kgbspy · · Score: 1

      Personally, I feel sorry for the good Jack Thompson.

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  2. All publicity is good publicity? by charleyb123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't all publicity good publicity? At least there's interest in his book. ;-))

    1. Re:All publicity is good publicity? by jmichaelg · · Score: 2, Funny
      Way back when I was starting my first software company, one of my investors set up a dinner with an ad exec who had a long history of wins in advertising. That night was the first time I had heard the advertising dictum, "I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right."

      I guess Jock Thomsen had dinner with the same ad exec.

    2. Re:All publicity is good publicity? by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      Even if its only purpose is to light your fireplace.

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    3. Re:All publicity is good publicity? by Echnin · · Score: 1

      Yep... Amazon now says: "Only 1 left in stock--order soon (more on the way)."

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  3. You Are So Sued!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm gonna sue you in England!!!

    1. Re:You Are So Sued!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scientology already patented that!

  4. Amazon safe by a302b · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure Amazon & their team of lawyers has covered their backs. Shouldn't he be suing the people who posted the comments? But then he couldn't milk a mulit-million dollar cash cow then, could he?

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    1. Re:Amazon safe by saskboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's going to be a vomit posting teenager, running from a lawyer very soon.

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    2. Re:Amazon safe by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm sure Amazon & their team of lawyers has covered their backs. Shouldn't he be suing the people who posted the comments? But then he couldn't milk a mulit-million dollar cash cow then, could he?
      That has never stopped a lawyer froms suing before. More precisely the sort of crackpot that would write this kind of book is exactly the sort that would sue, in the face of any common sense.
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    3. Re:Amazon safe by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Hey, everyone knows only lawyers win from lawsuits and never lose, right? Perhaps someone should inform Mr Thomspon that is only the case for lawyers who aren't their own clients as well.

    4. Re:Amazon safe by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      I don't know if I'd call them safe, because this lawsuit will cost big bucks to defend, but I think the consequences of Amazon backing down would be severe both to their reputation and the overall cause of free speech on the net.

      In a trial related to the content of this book, the judge has threatened to disbar Thompson. In response Thompson has withdrawn from the case.

      With that kind of record, I don't even need to read the reviews to know the book is bad. And yet there they are. I read the first 30 of them and not one of them defended the guy. One said his writing was not that bad, but that the arguments were poor. In my book, if the arguments are poor, that's bad writing.

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    5. Re:Amazon safe by sexyrexy · · Score: 1

      FYI, the judge in Alabama cannot disbar Thompson, because Thompson is licensed to practice law in Florida. Moore is an Alabama judge. Moore can (and has) revoke[d] Thompson's Pro Hac Vice in Alabama, which is a kind of temporary acknowledgement of another state's bar license for an individual, for the duration of a single case.

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    6. Re:Amazon safe by JWW · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, that would be a great game. You could have a crazed lawyer chase down everyone making fun of his ridiculous antics and serving them with a lawsuit.

      Heck I pay someone $1 to make a game like that. Unlike Thompson, I would make good on my offer....

  5. Is it even Amazon's property? by Coopjust · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does Amazon even own the comments? Like Slashdot, they probably have a disclaimer. Even then, isn't it considered free speech?

    1. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. Having an opinion is officially a crime.

    2. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Informative

      Amazon.com does claim reviews as its own property. There's a notice to that effect on the submissions page.

    3. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by Fuyu · · Score: 1

      From Amazon's Write Your Own Review page:

      The Fine Print:

      * All submitted reviews are subject to the license terms set forth in our Conditions of Use - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/5080 88/102-3524443-9088154.
      * Your reviews will be posted within five to seven business days.
      * Submissions that do not follow our review guidelines will not be posted.
      * If you believe that the product you are reviewing is unsafe, please report this information to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) http://www.cpsc.gov/incident.html or contact Amazon.com directly at product-safety@amazon.com.

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      From Amazon's Conditions of Use:
      REVIEWS, COMMENTS, COMMUNICATIONS, AND OTHER CONTENT

      Visitors may post reviews, comments, and other content; send e-cards and other communications; and submit suggestions, ideas, comments, questions, or other information, so long as the content is not illegal, obscene, threatening, defamatory, invasive of privacy, infringing of intellectual property rights, or otherwise injurious to third parties or objectionable and does not consist of or contain software viruses, political campaigning, commercial solicitation, chain letters, mass mailings, or any form of "spam." You may not use a false e-mail address, impersonate any person or entity, or otherwise mislead as to the origin of a card or other content. Amazon.com reserves the right (but not the obligation) to remove or edit such content, but does not regularly review posted content.

      If you do post content or submit material, and unless we indicate otherwise, you grant Amazon.com and its affiliates a nonexclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the world in any media. You grant Amazon.com and its affiliates and sublicensees the right to use the name that you submit in connection with such content, if they choose. You represent and warrant that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content that you post; that the content is accurate; that use of the content you supply does not violate this policy and will not cause injury to any person or entity; and that you will indemnify Amazon.com or its affiliates for all claims resulting from content you supply. Amazon.com has the right but not the obligation to monitor and edit or remove any activity or content. Amazon.com takes no responsibility and assumes no liability for any content posted by you or any third party.

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      Amazon's General Review Writing Guidelines

      Amazon.com wants your comments to be heard!
      The recommended review length is 75 to 300 words.

      Authors, publishers, and readers have separate review mechanisms. Please use the appropriate page.

      What to include:

      * Your review should focus on the book's content and context.
      * The best reviews include not only whether you liked or disliked a book, but also why. Feel free to mention related items and how this book rates in comparison to them.

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      Amazon.com is proud to provide this forum for you to air your opinions on the items we feature. While we appreciate your time and comments, we respectfully request that you refrain from including the following in your review:

      * Spoilers! Please don't reveal crucial plot elements.
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      * Commenting on other reviews visible on the page. Other reviews and their position on the page are subject to change wit

    4. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by kellar · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by Androclese · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even then, isn't it considered free speech?

      Free Speech only applies to Governmental agencies/places/etc. Amazon.com is a private company who wholly owns the website (not sure about the comments disclaimer). It is up to them what does and does not reside on their private proporty. Even so, if Amazon.com did choose to remove the comments, nobody's rights would be violated.

    6. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Informative
      Amazon.com does claim reviews as its own property. There's a notice to that effect on the submissions page.
      I think your information is out of date. They used to claim ownership of the copyrights on reviews, but I don't think they do now. Here's some info from their conditions of use page: If you do post content or submit material, and unless we indicate otherwise, you grant Amazon.com and its affiliates a nonexclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the world in any media. You grant Amazon.com and its affiliates and sublicensees the right to use the name that you submit in connection with such content, if they choose. You represent and warrant that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content that you post; that the content is accurate; that use of the content you supply does not violate this policy and will not cause injury to any person or entity; and that you will indemnify Amazon.com or its affiliates for all claims resulting from content you supply. Amazon.com has the right but not the obligation to monitor and edit or remove any activity or content. Amazon.com takes no responsibility and assumes no liability for any content posted by you or any third party.

      I just went through the whole process of creating an account and writing a review, and looked carefully at all the legal stuff at every step along the way, and this licensing agreement really does seem to be the only thing you have to agree to as a reviewer. The reviewer continues to own the copyright, but grants Amazon the permanent right to use it.

      I run a site that accepts user-submitted reviews of free books (see my sig), and I used to have warnings saying that users should not submit reviews that they'd already submitted to Amazon, because Amazon owned the copyrights. Recently, a user e-mailed me to say that my info was out of date, and he was right.

    7. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Reader review comments are Amazon's "property", in that they can use them in any way they can dream up to make them money, and not have to owe anything to anyone else, but not in that way that they are responsible for any harm the comments may cause.

      It's really sweet being a corporation.

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    8. Re:Is it even Amazon's property? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and that you will indemnify Amazon.com or its affiliates for all claims resulting from content you supply.

      From Dictionary.com:
          Main Entry: indemnify
          1 : to secure against hurt, loss, or damage
          2 : to compensate or reimburse for incurred hurt, loss, or damage

      Am I reading that right? The reviewer has to indemnify Amazon... Wow! Penny Arcade better not comment on this book.

  6. Eh, Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This guy is obviously an attention whore, so why indulge him?

    1. Re:Eh, Slashdot? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Funny
      This guy is obviously an attention whore, so why indulge him?
      I have a weakness for whores...
      /shame
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    2. Re:Eh, Slashdot? by IAmTheDave · · Score: 1

      Because bringing his actions to the forefront is what causes things like Penny Arcade totally humiliating him. Keeping an eye on this guy makes sure he can't get away with these shenanigans over and over without someone calling him on the carpet for it.

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  7. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This man needs to be shot... and normally I am a nice guy...

    1. Re:Ugh by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1

      Loud doesn't = right
      lemme say that again for Jack's benefit
      LOUD DOESN'T = RIGHT


      Alright, alright. We got it. You're right! : p

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    2. Re:Ugh by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1
      From the wikipedia article:
      he made a series of allegations [1] regarding Reno, [...] Many feel that these allegations have not been sufficiently corroborrated by Mr. Thompson.
      Is that a polite way of saying that everyone thinks he's either delusional, a liar, or both?
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  8. Amazon page and tags by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    The list is amusing, heres the few on the page:

    First tag: lies (6mullet on Nov 17, 2005)
    Last tag: Propaganda

    Lies (7),Propaganda (5),Childish Name Calling (4),Unfounded assertions (4),Slander (4),Unscientific (4),Defamation (3),Self-promoting with fake reviews (3),Biased (3),lies (3),Racist (2),Scaremonger (2),toilet-paper (2),Money grabbing lawyer (2),Ambulance Chaser (2)


    The amazon page listing them is here.

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    1. Re:Amazon page and tags by EiZei · · Score: 2, Funny

      The listmania part is even more amusing, gay BDSM books anyone?

    2. Re:Amazon page and tags by sunwolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those not in the know, here are some exchanges between netizens and Jack Thompson:

      VG Cats v Jack Thompson
      Penny-Arcade v Jack Thompson
      a 14 Year Old v Jack Thompson

      He was pwned terribly in each case.

    3. Re:Amazon page and tags by Durrok · · Score: 1

      "This is the worst book ever written. I wouldn't even use it to pee on. It deserves to be thrown in the garbage with dog poop."

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    4. Re:Amazon page and tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the "So You'd Like to..." section: "So you'd like to... know about masculine men? The male secret - ..."

    5. Re:Amazon page and tags by j_kenpo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OK, I have hope for the future of this country... the responses by the "14 year old" were some of the most well thought out responses, and JTs ignorant, 1 liner retorts clearly showed that he isn't on par. It is kind of sad that JT had to try and throw his weight around with "I'm working with Readers Digest and Senators" to try and impress or intimidate the kid. Kudos to the 14 year old for keeping his head on.

    6. Re:Amazon page and tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As nice as those are, I did better. These all show him getting ripped to shreads in front of people like us who are more than likely to be sympathetic to the perspective of video game players.

      I pwned him on Mike Reagan's radio talk show. About two years ago, I schooled him in front of millions of conservative radio listeners.

      I made him look like the liar he is in front of people who are more likely to be sympathetic to HIS point of view. I think that was the last time he appeared on Reagan's show.

      Lord Kano
      Too Lazy To Log In

    7. Re:Amazon page and tags by oopsdude · · Score: 1

      Ironically, one of the users who tagged the book was named "Jesus."

  9. You don't have the right to not be offended by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Short of slander, whatever nasty stuff someone says about you in a situation like that is fair game. If he doesn't like the attention, maybe he should shut the fuck up and stop making an ass out of himself publically.

    1. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember that it's not slander if it's true.

    2. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by elgee · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the "politically correct" fascists who think otherwise.

    3. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      By and large, that "PC fascist" crap is a fat load of tired conservative bullshit. Yes, sometimes the practice of not offending anyone goes a little too far, but the imagined persecution of those that complain about it is orders of magnitude worse than the reality. You have probably never, personally, been affected by it; certianly, you've never been sued or denied a job or anything else as the result of the supposed hypersensitivity. People like you tend to be upset about "PC" because it means you can't openly call people "niggers" without getting them pissed at you, or hang the titty calendar in your cubicle.

    4. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also very difficult for famous people to prove slander. And since Jack Thompson voluntarily put himself in the spotlight, he has no right to complain

    5. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, uh, 'Political Correctness' is a liberal invention, dipshit.
      Read 'Closing of the American Mind' if you don't believe me.
      Or Chomsky.

    6. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmm, no, actually. The elevated level of sensitivity to offending people is the result of the more liberal attitudes in some areas, perhaps; and the overboard nature of some of it is the result of the human tendency towards zealotry. And I'm willing to believe you've never read any Chomsky, or if you have, that you didn't understand any of it.

    7. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain the picture of the guy vomiting does not accurately reflect the reviewer's gastro-intestinal state after reading the book.

    8. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you misunderstand his motives and underestimate his strategy. He loves the attention. And by reacting with a caustic war of words convinces the media and slashdot to post more and more links to his content, drawing ever more attention to his cause.

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    9. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Short of slander, whatever nasty stuff someone says about you in a situation like that is fair game. If he doesn't like the attention, maybe he should shut the fuck up and stop making an ass out of himself publically.

      Trash talk on Amazon simply proves Thompson's point: that the gamer hasn't the maturity to cross the street alone.

      There are damn few public forums where gamers have a chance to break through to a larger audience. Amazon isn't obliged to provide you that platform.

    10. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      whatever nasty stuff someone says about you in a situation like that is fair game.

      Yes, but we know his opinion about games already, don't we?

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    11. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      >>By and large, that "PC fascist" crap is a fat load of tired conservative bullshit.

      Okay, good, we know what your stance is: bed-wetting white-guilt-liberal-apologism

      >>Yes, sometimes the practice of not offending anyone goes a little too far,
      >>but the imagined persecution of those that complain about it is orders of
      >>magnitude worse than the reality.

      No. People will shun you for saying things that are politically incorrect like: fat people are just lazy, affirmative action is reverse discrimination, etc

      Anytime I say anything remotely politically incorrect, I feel like I must immediately qualify that I am not a racist. For example, I hate rap and it is nothing against black people.

      What about saying things like "Take a stand, Jesus, you couldn't be more on the fence unless you were gay and in Wyoming." It is a joke, it is funny, and yet people will think you are Satan-incarnate.

      >>You have probably never, personally, been
      >>affected by it; certianly, you've never been sued or denied a job or anything
      >>else as the result of the supposed hypersensitivity. People like you tend to
      >>be upset about "PC" because it means you can't openly call people "niggers"
      >>without getting them pissed at you,

      That is absolutely not what that is about. Ask comics like Jim Norton, Dice, etc how PC attitudes have affected their work. Tough Crown comics couldn't touch on anything considered politically correct because it came from a conservative (or more accurately, anti-liberal) bent yet Dave Chappelle had Carte Blanche.

      >> or hang the titty calendar in your cubicle.

      If your cubicle is a garage where there are no women around, why not?

      --Joey

    12. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sounds fair to me. If you want to go around intentionally offending people, then being ostracised seems an appropriate response.

      If this doesn't make any sense to you, try putting yourself in the other person's place.

      OTOH, I do acknowledge that some people are overly sensitive...and I don't know why. But presumably they have reasons that appear, to them, valid, and if they don't like the way that I behave, then for them to refuse to associate with me seems fair, even if I wish they wouldn't do it, and even if I feel they have misinterpreted what I said. It not like they're attacking me...which I feel would need considerably stronger justification. They are removing themselves from an environment that they find uncomfortable. This may mean that other people need to choose between their company and mine, and I may find that this disadvantages me, but it is still proper action on their part.

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    13. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by antic · · Score: 1


      He'll be president of his country soon...

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    14. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by vexx0 · · Score: 0

      Is sueing everybody mature?

      "Waaaaaaa, they made fun of me, and are mean, and are big stupidheads, I'm gonna sue"

      Do you wanna sue me now Jack?

    15. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
      It proves nothing. Trash talk is trash talk. There isn't a single group of people in the world that doesn't engage in it. From priests to scientists, there are those that are vocal, those that are a little too vocal, and those who simply spew. In fact, it's just human nature, and hardly important. We are, afterall, emotional creatures.

      Shame on you for saying that 50 million people on this planet, ranging from 1 to 100, haven't "the maturity to cross the street alone."

      There are damn few public forums where gamers have a chance to break through to a larger audience. Amazon isn't obliged to provide you that platform.

      But that's the point, no? Amazon is obliged to do fuck all. Thompson is the one threatening Amazon unless they do what he demands, not gamers.

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    16. Re:You don't have the right to not be offended by Loonacy · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't read the book.

  10. The inevitable reaction... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Word is Amazon has just patented a mechanism for being sued by insane book authors.

    1. Re:The inevitable reaction... by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

      Actually, I heard it was that Amazon had just patented a mechanism for killing book sales through a method of collecting and distributing bad reviews...

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  11. You hurted my feeelings by orthogonal · · Score: 1

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

  12. he must be kidding! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    This is America where we have freedom of speech. This includes what other may call abuse, defamation, belittling etc.

    1. Re:he must be kidding! by Nazadus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Freedom is speech only applies to the government.
      For example: Bush says we can't say "Bush sucks".
      That would be illegal on his part.

      However, I can tell you that you can't say anything bad about my website or I will sue you.
      I can sue you.
      Now, whether or not I will win is arguable and all depends on if you are telling the truth or not (libel, right? or is libel spoken? bah humbug).

      Anways, you get the point.
      Welcome to America. Anyone can sue anyone -- but they aren't gurranteed to win. In US the squeeky wheel concept applies.

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    2. Re:he must be kidding! by bogaboga · · Score: 1
      For example: Bush says we can't say "Bush sucks".

      But I have heard people say that..."Bush lied to the American people to justify the [IRAQ] war."

      Others have said he's not sincere and so many other [nasty] things. Some outside America have called him a chimp! Will he sue them? I doubt.

    3. Re:he must be kidding! by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Others have said he's not sincere and so many other [nasty] things. Some outside America have called him a chimp! Will he sue them?

      But he's not sincere, and he is a chimp. These are facts that can be proven in a court of law. That's exactly why he won't try to sue them.

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    4. Re:he must be kidding! by dada21 · · Score: 1

      I hope you are kidding.

      The freedom of speech is a natural right; you are born with it. The Bill of Rights says that Congress has no power to abridge this natural right.

      You are free to speak as you please on your pwn land and on government land. Your ability to speak on the property of others may be restricted, if the owners prefer. You can always leave their land.

      Amazon.com is private property. They are free to moderate the reviews. For market superiority, they prefer not to.

      I don't believe in the criminality of slander, libel or defamation. I believe in the complete freedom of speech. "No law" means no law.

    5. Re:he must be kidding! by nsasch · · Score: 1

      Your website sucks. Ironically, someone must really hate your site, because it's "Hacked by Pinguingillo" (good luck with that :-/ )

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    6. Re:he must be kidding! by weierstrass · · Score: 1
      >>Bush says we can't say "Bush sucks"

      He didn't actually say this. It's what's known as a hypothetical example. The words 'For example' are a clue.

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    7. Re:he must be kidding! by Jack+Earl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The right to freedom of speech does not mean that you are allowed to say anything you want. It means that the government cannot try to stop you from saying whatever you want. This is meant to protect us from the government going the way of many others and trying to suppress people's beliefs. This does not protect you in such a way that you are allowed to tell other people to go fuck themselves, or to say things that ruin a person's character or reputation. You are still held liable for what you say, which is why you can be sued for slander, and other such offenses.

    8. Re:he must be kidding! by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0, Insightful
      I don't believe in the criminality of slander, libel or defamation.
      Neither do I, but then I know the difference between criminal cases ands civil ones.
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    9. Re:he must be kidding! by eMartin · · Score: 1

      You might want to fix the search code on your site.

      I just left you a birthday present.

    10. Re:he must be kidding! by eMartin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and yeah, it was just by "searching for" an IMG html tag.

    11. Re:he must be kidding! by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Some of the reviews are really out of line. For example, one says that if he doesn't stop bugging gamers, his fantasies of murderous teenagers might finally come true. Another reviewer claims that Jack Thompson anally raped him, and would do the same to anyone else who gave him a negative review. I don't think it's possible to take the second one seriously, and it may not be libelous for that reason. But the first one could very easily be a matter for law enforcement.

      However, it seems that Jack Thompson wants all the one-star reviews deleted. Either he doesn't understand the law that he practices, or he's hoping Amazon's demon lawyer horde is even more confused than he is.

      Now I'm reading Jack Thompson's post to Amazon, where he responds to his critics. Some of his accusations--such as his claim that this "vandalism" is being orchestrated by the gaming industry--would be libelous, if he'd only named names. And I feel very sorry for any Christian with a brain when he says, "I am a Christian. I proclaim the power, the sovereignty, the grace, and the incredible brilliance of the Creator of the Universe." My anti-religious biases notwithstanding, anyone with half a brain shouldn't have to be stuck in the same category as this guy.

      I am curious to read this book. Anyone have a torrent of the PDF?

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    12. Re:he must be kidding! by Nazadus · · Score: 1

      hehe, Drupal sites have become fairly popular to hack lately. Or better yet here is the list of those getting hit by the Lupper worm. Wow, I hooked a live on here. Schweet mother of god. *pulls in* Ok, let's make the reality check. You haven't really accomplished anything. Except what? Me going to OpenBSD? I was working on that already? You have proven to my Microsoft fundy here, that Linux is just as insecure as Windows. Why? Becuase Drupal runs on both of those OS's. And to his fundamentalist ass, he believes that. Unlike many of the people here, I like to focus on other things than update all 300+ software pieces that Gentoo thinks I need. And yes, you are a dick. You could have replied with something intersting and started a debate. You could have emailed me and said something about my lack of... vigilance. Instead, you attempted to boaster your E-Penis size and try to make yourself think you are cool... or something. In less than a few hours I had that content removed and (some of) the issues fixed. So, apparantly you are online right now. How about we have a chat. Choose a medium (other than MSN --- and don't get me started on that). I'm off to consume fiene and work on the BSD boxen.

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    13. Re:he must be kidding! by Nazadus · · Score: 1

      hehe, you obviously don't see the other parts of the site -- which are restricted. Etherpunk started off as a project / hobby / something to kill time -- nothing more. It just kinda grew slowly. So, I'm not all dissappointed by what happened. Shit happens. I got lazy and caught with my pants down. I deserve it.

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    14. Re:he must be kidding! by Nazadus · · Score: 1

      I believe those comments should be able to post whatever they want related to the book. If it's "That book fucking sucks" then that's right. They don't have to justify it. However, that author does reserve the right to *TRY* and sue you. I think libel and slander are usually taken too far and thusly are abused too often. While I think they should exist, I wish their was some punishment for abusing it. Something I have learned: The law is merely a tool to get what you deserve (as far as the law is concenered). It has no ethics or morals. It doesn't care. It (arguably) has no bias (IE: color doesn't matter if you kill someone, it's still murder). Granted this issues isn't that black and white... but still.

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    15. Re:he must be kidding! by Nazadus · · Score: 1

      I wanted that because it's fun to look at sometimes. I like to trust people. Most people don't abuse it. The reason sometimes you had trouble and sometimes you didn't was the drupal filter. The blink tag is blocked and is labelled as evil (as it's annoying ass should be). To place in context what my day was about: A friend of mine running chromebob.com got rooted by the lupper worm or something similiar. I know this becuase I grepped his logs and found the same traces as the lupper shows. These exploits are due to an XMLRPC exploit. He and I have been concerned about security lately but haven't had much time due to work to actually finish our project. Err, I've swapped out etherpunk right now or I'd show you the wiki things for the OpenBSD guide (goto gentoo-wiki.org and search for virtual. I wrote that article, or most of it -- this is what the OpenBSD guide is based off of except for LDAP instead of MySQL). Anways, I get a call with him saying that he thinks he's rooted because he sees '/tmp/...' and '/tmp/..' (the /tmp/.. is listed twice, indicating it's a file and it's owned by apache:apache while the main one is owned by root of course, beucase it would be the / partition). Anyways, we've been focusing on that all day. So worm was on my mind. I later say someone made an account to do those things. I've had people search for my adult stuff and for other things like what you did, I just let them do their things. It didn't bother me that much. While I do realize you have some better CSS skills than I, I was actually dissappointed it was just cosmetic and fixed by dropping that ID in MySQL. So, you see, you got me all excited thinking I had a live one on the line and I was going to just tug the line and see how things went becuase the server is going to be decommissioned anyways. Now I'm wishing I hadn't of purged that cache, I would have loved to hear whatever sound that was. I've seen that animation before, but usually on fark.com. Following your logic, you should be defacing wikipedia. Unlike most people, I'm actually taking responsiblity for my fuck up here. I got lazy, caught with my pants down. No way to rationlize that. Thusly, I'm taking this approach.

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    16. Re:he must be kidding! by eMartin · · Score: 1
      Wikipedia gets defaced all the time. People put in a lot of effort to clean it up though. When an entry gets changed, it's pretty easy to either fix it or roll back to the previous one.

      If however, they allowed people to edit their main page by putting up a photo of the goatse guy any time they want to, they probably wouldn't be as useful as they are now. The editing abilities for articles are also pretty limited. People can post small images, text, and links.

      As an interesting example, listen to this radio show (realaudio): http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=16516

      Then check out these two Wikipedia articles, and step through the newer revisions:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andy_Bre ckman&direction=prev&oldid=22453146
      http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ken_Free dman&direction=prev&oldid=24268273

      If anything, it's good for a laugh.

      I don't know if you read what I posted on your site before you took it down, so I'll summarize once again...

      Your search box sent its output to the main page in its recent searches box unfiltered. HTML tags (including style info) got read as if they were part of your own code. No offense, but that's just dumb.

      All I did was enter the following 3 items into your search box:
      <BGSOUND src="http://content.ytmnd.com/0/444/sound.wav" volume=100 loop=infinite hidden="true" AUTOSTART="true">
      <IMG src="http://www.wednesdayweb.com/kirk/jtk.gif" style="POSITION: absolute; LEFT: 35%; TOP: 35%">
      <IMG src="http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/cake.jpg">
      Now, imagine if this post could screw up the layout of the Slashdot page it's on. This place would be a mess.
    17. Re:he must be kidding! by nsasch · · Score: 1

      All the content is still on your page, just some HTML or something is making the rest invisible. I knew this from the begining, but if I gave too much detail, without explaining myself, I might be viewed as a suspect. I'm tempted to explore and find the "restricted stuff" but.... I don't have time.

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    18. Re:he must be kidding! by Thalagyrt · · Score: 1
      You are free to speak as you please on your pwn land and on government land.

      I couldn't help but laugh when I saw that! :D

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    19. Re:he must be kidding! by Nazadus · · Score: 1

      I've been talking to the person who did their defacement. They are here on slashdot. they replied to my post. The first letter of his name is e. eMichel or something like that. I've already migrated to an OpenBSD solution. I wasn't joking on my site, I've been planning this for a while. I was going to take a bit more time and slwoly migrate it over, but that seems to be out of the question now. It's sad really, I was hoping I could trust users. I know, bad idea, but since the absolute worst he could do is a temporary defacement (temporary becuase I get emails after every post, so I keep up). I have no worries. I still don't understand why he considers posting search queries straight to the page such a bad thing. Yeah, it can be abused, but for the most part only by a human. It would be too difficult for a bot to spider for that particulur module on the interweb. So I don't have to worry about it happening too frequently.

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  13. Message board is scary by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That message board where the link points to is absolutely scary. The way I saw the piece:

    1. Jerk writes book.
    2. People who hate the jerk play underhanded amazon tricks to sabotage book on Amazon.com
    3. Jerk complains to amazon that such tricks are clearly against amazon's rules and asks amazon to remove the offending material, which amazon does poorly or incompletently.

    I expected the mesasgeboards there to be filled with "I disagree with what Jerk says, but I respect his right to say it in a fair way", instead it is full of Vigilante Logic such as pointing to Jerk's supposed jerk activities in a vein of "two wrongs make a right" logic criticizing the guy for asking for amazon to play by its own rules.

    Sad.

    1. Re:Message board is scary by ilyaaohell · · Score: 2, Funny

      I expected the mesasgeboards there to be filled with "I disagree with what Jerk says, but I respect his right to say it in a fair way"

      Just out of curiosity, what the hell kind of a psychotic utopian community do you live in!? Why in God's name would you ever expect that kind of reaction from ANYONE, much less an internet message board?

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    2. Re:Message board is scary by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I expected the mesasgeboards there to be filled with "I disagree with what Jerk says, but I respect his right to say it in a fair way",

      I disagree with what Jerk says, I don't respect what he says or how he says it. But I do respect his right to say it.

      Having said that, I respect the people who review his content to have the right to say what they want to, in reviewing the content.

      criticizing the guy for asking for amazon to play by its own rules.

      I don't know what rules these are, or how well they're enforced (for example, is it okay to write a "review" when your the author with the express purpose of flaming everyone else? I don't know, but Anne Rice did it). I expect Amazon's rules to be enforced as well in this case, as they do without the threat of a lawuit. But I think you'd find not everyone here is aware of Amazon's review rules or how well they're enforced. Besides which, a lot of the tags associated with his book are fair.

    3. Re:Message board is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yet more evidence for the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

      Also related is the Internet Selection Effect:

      The probability that a fool or a sociopath will post something in an online form is slightly higher than a person with insight and decent manners. Therefore, as the size of the forum approaches infinity, the stupidity will exceed the capacity of any reader to tolerate.
    4. Re:Message board is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ... in a vein of "two wrongs make a right" logic

            Bart: Somebody ought to ruin Gabbo's career the way he ruined Krusty's.
            Lisa: Two wrongs don't make a right, Bart.
            Bart: Yes they do.
            Lisa: No they don't.
            Bart: Yes they do!
            Lisa: No they don't!
            Bart: Yes they do!!
            Lisa: Daaaad!
            Homer: Two wrongs make a right, Lisa.

    5. Re:Message board is scary by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Jerk in this case specifically engages in censorship and defamation. What the gamers are doing is a much lighter of what he does. In this case its the punishment fitting the crime. For example Giorgio killed civilians as part of the New Red Brigades and everyone believes he has the right to tell his side of the story. Even with something like anti-jewish/anti-black arian nations books you don't see this kind of behavior.

      I think we have a good example of the punishment fitting the crime (to a limited extent).

    6. Re:Message board is scary by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People who hate the jerk play underhanded amazon tricks to sabotage book on Amazon.com

      I don't see how filing a review of a book that contains what is self-evidently an unfounded argument that claims that the argument of the book is unfounded is underhanded. It's what the review system is there for, right?

    7. Re:Message board is scary by Gulthek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write. -- Voltaire

      I disagree with many things, but I only get upset by one-sided debates and conclusions made without reason. So as long as it's said "in a fair way" I respect their opinions. I may debate their opinions which is enjoyable for both parties if thought has gone into the respective conclusions for both sides (who doesn't want to get another person on 'their side'); but debate does not indicate disrespect of their right to have an opinion.

    8. Re:Message board is scary by ericspinder · · Score: 1
      I expected the mesasgeboards there to be filled with "I disagree with what Jerk says, but I respect his right to say it in a fair way",...
      What, now every comment needs to come with a PC disclaimer*.
      * PC disclaimers can be useful sometimes, but only if the writer deems it nessarary to clairify his intentions.
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    9. Re:Message board is scary by spazimodo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      Voltaire was talking about a person's right to express themselves, (think first amendment) not saying that stupid opinions should be respected. If anything I think Voltaire would be on the side of those who think Thompson is a fucking moron: "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O, Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it."

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    10. Re:Message board is scary by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between respecting the right to be a fool and respecting the fool. Nobody is claiming Thompson's view is valid.

    11. Re:Message board is scary by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      You don't suppose it's possible to point out the flaws in Jack Thompson's claims and highlight his inappropriate behavior without also stooping to his level, do you?

    12. Re:Message board is scary by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you are asking. Of course its easy to disprove his ideas (I mean claims he has made on television are provably false) and lots of people have done it. The counter arguments against censorship and the debates are core to every civics class taught in every high school in the US.

      My point was that the attacks against him were based on his specific actions not on his views.

    13. Re:Message board is scary by Dix_sw · · Score: 1

      4. Profit!

      only, this time it isn't a joke

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    14. Re:Message board is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      2. People who hate the jerk play underhanded amazon tricks to sabotage book on Amazon.com


      In the old days, there was a psychological barrier to such techniques. The text of the link for writing a review said "I have read this book and I want to review it". This meant that people who hadn't read a book couldn't review it without first overcoming their natural aversion to telling lies.

      Nowadays, Amazon.com doesn't do anything at all to deter people from reviewing books they haven't read, so taking the average ratings for controversial books seriously is like using the results of /. polls for anything important.

    15. Re:Message board is scary by westlake · · Score: 1
      Why in God's name would you ever expect that kind of reaction from ANYONE, much less an internet message board?

      Because this is the behavior that is expected of an adult and what we try to teach our kids?

    16. Re:Message board is scary by mumblestheclown · · Score: 2, Informative

      from what i understood, people were doing things like causing the book to be effectively linked to gay erotica on amazon. that's not "filing a review". RTFA.

    17. Re:Message board is scary by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1
      My point was that the attacks against him were based on his specific actions not on his views.

      The problem is that the attacks against him are just as bad as his own actions. Worse yet, these attacks will end up becoming the focus and the message that Thompson's own actions and beliefs are suspect will be lost. Attack his beliefs. Attack his actions. But do so without stooping to his level; do not provide him with more ammunition.
    18. Re:Message board is scary by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      I expected the mesasgeboards there to be filled with "I disagree with what Jerk says, but I respect his right to say it in a fair way", instead it is full of Vigilante Logic such as pointing to Jerk's supposed jerk activities in a vein of "two wrongs make a right" logic criticizing the guy for asking for amazon to play by its own rules.
      I don't see anyone saying that he shouldn't be allowed to write and publish the book (in marked contrast to Thompson's own statements about many games). There is nothing unreasonable about commenting on an author's character.
    19. Re:Message board is scary by julesh · · Score: 1

      Err... I did. It mentions the links in one short paragraph, the rest is talking about reviews. I'd say the reviews were definitely the main thrust of the article, and these were certainly the subject of the quoted correspondence between Thompson & amazon.

      The whole tags thing is experimental anyway, I doubt many people are using them. I suspect many more people are reading the reviews, which are much more likely to negatively affect Thompson's sales.

    20. Re:Message board is scary by HiThere · · Score: 1

      And that's why /. has a moderation system...which is imperfect, but a lot better than not having it.

      To tie this back to the original, the same is true for authors. The probability that a loon of some sort will write a book is slightly higher than the probability that someone intelligent and talented will. It's the selection process after the writing that allows most books to be at least reasonable. Amazon is just adding another layer to the selection after writing process...with public input. Is it a good idea or a bad one? Time will tell, but the current system almost certainly needs to be tweaked.

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    21. Re:Message board is scary by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      I disagree with many things, but I only get upset by one-sided debates and conclusions made without reason. So as long as it's said "in a fair way" I respect their opinions. I may debate their opinions which is enjoyable for both parties if thought has gone into the respective conclusions for both sides (who doesn't want to get another person on 'their side'); but debate does not indicate disrespect of their right to have an opinion.


      On the other hand...

      "I cannot believe there are two equally valid sides to every single story." (Good Night and Good Luck)

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    22. Re:Message board is scary by BKX · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think that's exactly what happening. Jerk Thindickson wrote a lame book full of shit. People are calling him on it. They aren't saying, "Fucking remove that lame moron's book from the market so that no one may ever read it, thereby censoring him!" they are saying, "That fucking book sucks some balls and no one should dumb themselves to that level of stupidity by reading it." The former is unacceptable. The latter is free speech, along the same lines as Thompson's lame-ass book. Thompson's the asshole supporting censorship by asking that reveiws be removed because he doesn't like them. When he wrote that letter, there were only 33 negative reveiws on Amazon.com; he wanted all of them gone. If he would have read any of them, he would have noted that most of them of actual reveiws of the book's copy (or at least the first chapter), rather than personal flames. Only like eight should have been removed. If he didn't want negative reveiws, he should have written something that wasn't absolute shit.

    23. Re:Message board is scary by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 1

      >> that's not "filing a review"

      No, but it's damn funny...

    24. Re:Message board is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Voltaire didn't say that (invented by his hagiographer) and he would gleefully have seen ideas he didn't like suppressed. It may be a nice sentiment, but please stop putting it into Voltaire's mouth.

  14. Irony by Raleel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps someone else has a sense of humor, but there were these three links to "Listmania!" below this book... all three were to how-to books for gay men. One was about handballing...

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    1. Re:Irony by murfman5000 · · Score: 1

      I hit amazon.com looking for the book before I read the comments and saw the direct link. I search for "jack thompson" on amazon and I found his book above a list of many sexually oriented books. Especially gay male sexually oriented books. I think amazon is suggesting that jack is gay?

  15. amazon took a bad review down for us by notthepainter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Not a bad review per se, but a review which revealed the ending of one of my wife's books. We don't enjoy bad reviews, of course, but they are a fact of being an author. But when when we saw a review of The Illusionist which gave away the ending, I contacted amazon and they took out the offending sentance within 24 hours.

    Now this was about 4 years ago, maybe they've changed since then, but we've found amazon to be pro-author.

    1. Re:amazon took a bad review down for us by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now this was about 4 years ago, maybe they've changed since then, but we've found amazon to be pro-author.

      Well, sure. If you deal with them politely. But Jack Thompson...?

    2. Re:amazon took a bad review down for us by Random832 · · Score: 1

      the problem is that [IDNRTFA] apparently he shot first. If he'd just reported it, but no he had to threaten a lawsuit

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    3. Re:amazon took a bad review down for us by Lifewish · · Score: 1

      the problem is that [IDNRTFA] apparently he shot first. If he'd just reported it, but no he had to threaten a lawsuit

      If I understand correctly, he reported it, Amazon took down a bunch of bad negative reviews (and a couple of bad positive reviews, which really pissed JT off), and more bad negative reviews appeared. So JT started threatening them for basically not policing his book's reviews 24/7. Or something like that.

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    4. Re:amazon took a bad review down for us by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The next logical thing for Amazon is, of course, to remove the book from its listing.

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    5. Re:amazon took a bad review down for us by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Amazon is company. The only reason they might seem "pro-author" is that it happens to be a by-product of being pro-profit...

    6. Re:amazon took a bad review down for us by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      The only reason they might seem "pro-author" is that it happens to be a by-product of being pro-profit...

      That's actually backwards - they're pro-customer and that makes them money.

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  16. Overthrowing opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Nope. Having an opinion is officially a crime."

    Grey Ninja! Please turn yourself into the police. Your opinion will be confiscated and used as evidence in your trial, of conspiring to overthrow the duely-elected "Lawyer of one" government.

  17. It's for the children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's sueing amazon to save the children from the evils of amazon comments and free speech?

    He is also teaching the children that they can write inane BS and if people don't like their inane BS they can go ahead and sue them.

    What a great role model.

    People seem to need an excuse to convince themselves that they aren't totally whacko looney (oh its to save the children.. oh it's to free a people of a country etc etc.) //anonymous coward doesn't want to be sued for the children.

  18. Obligatory Book Link by Manip · · Score: 0, Redundant
  19. What exactly does he want? by WTBF · · Score: 1

    Of the 52 reviews 3 of them are rated two stars and the rest have been given one. Does he want all of these removing? Has he considered that his book is actually not very good?

    One thing that seems to be in most of the more sensible reviews is that the writing is bad, maybe instead of having a fit he should consider that these people are right and his book is awfull.

  20. Not doing themselves any favors... by toupsie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't agree with Jack Thompson but I do not see a problem with him expressing his point of view in our culture of ideas. Posting a very gross picture of a kid vomiting and an absurd cartoon does the anti-Thompson no good. Winning a debate does not occur when call someone a "poopyhead" enough times. Though I don't know if Thompson will win this sort of case, but if I found my product page defased in such a manner, I might do the same thing if Amazon were unwilling to remove these sort of items when requested. It hurts Amazon as much as Thompson to have vomit pictures on their website.

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    1. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by fermion · · Score: 1
      I wish that were true, but the reality is that we live in a world where one gets a bestselling book by calling all liberals traitors, no one flinches when one asserts that while we have a second amendment right to bear arms, we do not have a first amendment right to disagreement with the government we vote and pay for, and every says hip hooray when the freest most compassionate country in the world tortures detainees, even though this was something we used to justify our own traitorous acts when the US was founded. The fact is the leaders set the tone of debate, and when hyperbole and hypocrisy is the standard, one cannot complain when the people follow.

      As such, almost any free advertisement is good advertisement. He now will sell more books to the wackos that agree with him, and the wackos that disagree with him have now been made aware of the smear campaign. Everyone wins.

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    2. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by cgenman · · Score: 1

      On the one hand, I totally agree that this isn't the way to win an intellectual argument.

      On the other hand, Jack Thompson has taken it so far outside of the realm of intellectual arguments that making rational statements in his general direction is basically pointless. Jack Thompson is not a normal person advocating a position. He's a media figure lawyer who is attempting to establish a legal censorship doctorine through heavy lawsuits and lying to the media. It doesn't hurt that he gets paid handsomely for it.

      He's also one known for guerilla tactics. He's said that his political opponent of the time, Janet Reno, was unfit to serve because she was a "closet lesbian." He's promised to make donations to charity and then claimed they were "obviously satire." And he makes frivilous claims, pretty much constantly that he's going to call the police or file lawsuits about anyone with a contradictory opinion. And if he's fine with attempting to censor his critics through frivilous lawsuits, I'm fine with his critics expressing their opinion about him on his Amazon review.

      The one thing I can say in Jack's defense, and the one reason to cut him a little slack, is that he's probably going senile. If you follow a lot of the conversation threads out there, he's pretty confused as to who contacted who or what was just said. But unfortunately that doesn't make him any less of a media figure, and doesn't reduce his eggregious behavior at all.

      Amazon will probably take the reviews down, as that is the responsible thing to do. But I'm not going to shed a tear if it hurts his book sales.

    3. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by ericspinder · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Winning a debate does not occur when call someone a "poopyhead" enough times.
      Well then you haven't been paying attention to politics have you.

      One of the most common fallacies (I believe anyways) is that when superficially presented with two conflicting arguments, many people believe that the 'truth is in the middle'. Trouble is that when one is an insane rant (think 40% of Fox News), a logical conclusion if often rejected, however, it's really hard for any fair minded person to go to the opposite opinion, often it doesn't make any sense. So the best counter to an insane argument is satire (think the Daily Show).

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    4. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To -US- politics, no. But then, I'm fortunate enough not to live there. In the world outside the USA, there -is- rational, intellectual debate and it does make a difference. FYI.

    5. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      I don't agree with Jack Thompson but I do not see a problem with him expressing his point of view in our culture of ideas. Posting a very gross picture of a kid vomiting and an absurd cartoon does the anti-Thompson no good.

      Well I don't agree with vomit-picture as debate tool, but I don't see a problem with that person expressing his opinion of the matter either. Is Jack Thompson the only one whose freedom of expression is protected? If Amazon chooses to remove the picture that is their business (and property) but making this into a lawsuit is ridiculous.

    6. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by ericspinder · · Score: 1
      In the world outside the USA, there -is- rational, intellectual debate and it does make a difference. FYI.
      So, then you're calling everyone in the U.S. a 'poopyhead'. You 'sir' (and many others) have proven that overgeneralization, and infamitory speach is world-wide.
      --
      The grass is only greener, if you don't take care of your own lawn.
    7. Re:Not doing themselves any favors... by Lulu+of+the+Lotus-Ea · · Score: 1

      You think? Senile at 55 y.o.? I'd definitely believe "not quite right in the head", but too young for senility, I'd reckon.

  21. Child's play by matt+me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First I must agree with every rational person posting here that this guy is an idiot, and has no right to sue Amazon. So to him I say, fuck you! Sue Slashdot now :P

    But as we're on the subject of the supposed negative influence of games, I must post something original about Child's Play, a charity that provides games to children stuck in hospital. (previous Slashdot coverage http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/08/ 1647245&tid=105)

    To quote founders Gabe and Tycho (pennyarcade.com)
    "For two years now we've set up and organized a charity called Child's Play. We set it up because we were angry the media decided to blame all the world's problems on games and gamers. Basically they said that gamers were bad people, and we thought that wasn't right. Apparently, you guys agreed: through Child's Play you sent nearly a million dollars in toys, games, and cash to the sick kids in Children's Hospitals around the nation."

    So at some good (he'd disagree) did actually come indirectly from this guy voicing his wrong opinion. Argh, he makes me angry. Now excuse so I can kill some stuff in HL2.

    1. Re:Child's play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Penny Arcade as been doing Child's Play for a couple of years now. Jack's just got problems. Sure, he's entitled to his opinion, but that doesn't make him right.
      It's almost like saying that Intelligent Design is science because it offers an explanation (Jack offers video games and media as an explanation for todays "violent" culture, while culture has actually been more violent in the past).
      ID is no more science than any religion. Some of us know that. Some of us also know that life pre-20th century wasn't exactly easy. Life was violent. Mid-20th century made life for people like him much easier.
      Life is about perspective, and Americans (myself included) don't have the experience to understand hardships and violence the way people did pre-20th century or even most of the world today.
      So, if Mr Thompson is reading this, you might want to give thought to the possibility that we aren't living in a culture of violence, but that we are a violent culture despite your best intentions.

    2. Re:Child's play by Joehonkie · · Score: 1

      How did this get modded to +4? Child's Play has nothing to do with JT. Nothing at all.

  22. He only has about 52 negative reviews now.... by ylikone · · Score: 3, Funny

    just wait until the slashdot crowd gets finished writing their reviews.

    --
    Meh.
    1. Re:He only has about 52 negative reviews now.... by ylikone · · Score: 1
      I see it's down to only 25 now. The last time I looked it was over 200 reviews.

      I guess Amazon wussed out and is complying to his legal threats.

      --
      Meh.
  23. Ugh by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The more Jack Thompson opens his mouth, the more of a joke he becomes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson
    http://www.google.com/search?q="jack+thompson" blowhard

    Here's an e-mail exchange between Jacko and a 14 yr. old boy.
    http://croqaudile.com/?article_id=10299
    The original e-mail is long, but if you keep reading you'll see how quickly Thompson's replies devolve into complete and utter asshattery.

    Loud doesn't = right
    lemme say that again for Jack's benefit
    LOUD DOESN'T = RIGHT

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    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
  24. Great Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post this on slashdot so the trolls have a target to post their goatse review!

  25. Amazon's marketing by saskboy · · Score: 1, Funny

    If you look at the book for sale on Amazon, they'll tell you what other books people are buying if they've bought Jack's book.

    Here's a sample:
    How to Use DRM to Improve Your Profits
      by Sony BMG

    In The Line of Fire:
    A Case for War
      by Scooter Libby

    Censorship for Dummies
      by the Parents Television Council of America

    [yes these are all made up titles]

    --
    Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  26. Jerk of the Year? by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1
    Really, is this guy going for the 'Jerk of the Year' award? Darl McBride must be shaking in his boots.

    Personally, I think Amazon have got their arse covered on this one, especially given the legal might they could probably rustle up - from the site (emphasis mine):
    "Customers tagged this item with First tag: lies (6mullet on Nov 17, 2005) Last tag: Propaganda

    Lies (7),Propaganda (5),Childish Name Calling (4),Unfounded assertions (4),Slander (4),Unscientific (4),Defamation (3),Self-promoting with fake reviews (3),Biased (3),lies (3),Racist (2),Scaremonger (2),toilet-paper (2),Money grabbing lawyer (2),Ambulance Chaser (2)"

    The key word, there, Jack, is 'Customers' - not Amazon. That's the opinion of people being posted by people to advise other people what to buy - if it's slander, sue those people, subpoena Amazon.com for the IPs of the people that posted them, but don't sue Amazon, it just makes you look like a dingbat.

    Jeez, I've never seen something so childish from someone with the supposed intelligence to become a lawyer - maybe it's different in the UK, but every person in the legal profession I've come across has been intelligent, respectable and level-headed - not someone likely to go off on a sue-fest if someone calls them names, and even if they did, they'd sure aim it at the right target.

    As it's customers tagging it, and Amazon point this out, they should be OK - sure, an 'Amazon.com is not responsible for' blah-blah would help matters, but I'm sure that disclaimer that customers did it alone will get them out of any trouble, especially with the army of lawyers far more qualified than Thompson that Amazon's millions could muster - perhaps this could be a chance for Amazon to recoup some good feeling after their recent patent-grabbings; I mean regardless of how you feel about patents and Amazon's behaviour in that field, who wouldn't like to see Thompson get laughed out of court for suing over something that stopped bothering me when I left kiddy school?
    --
    Dealing with lawyers would be a lot less tedious if they all looked like Casey Novak.
    1. Re:Jerk of the Year? by bbtom · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that the UK legal world is virtue enfleshed, but it might be due to the fact that you have to take a slightly more significant financial investment and risk in order to launch legal action, making it so that assholes like Jack Thompson have to actually stump up a fair few more pennies if he was getting pissy about computer games in Britain rather than in the USA. That, and the fact that our school system sucks a little bit less than the American one does (compare American and British reactions to creationism: it's a valid theory, say middle America - it's a completely bonkers and stupid thing that mouth-breathing fundies believe, says Britain).

      That said, the people who stir up the sort of rubbish Thompson gets up to aren't lawyers in Britain. They're far too busy working in the City firms and for the Government and making bucketloads. No, it's the journalists who do all this nonsense.

      --
      catch (HumourFailureException e) { e.user.send("You, sir, are a humourless idiot."); }
  27. Jack Thompson takes on the world, and loses! by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    Gees, first Jack Thompson takes on Penny Arcade, and loses.

    Then he takes on VG Cats, and loses.

    He also took on a news reporting website, and lost (I forgot the name).

    If history is any indicator on how successful he's going to be with this "lawsuit" (and I'll beleive it when I see it, this guy is a known liar after all) as he was with Penny Arcade.

    He should just do what Anne Rice does, and beat people who say bad stuff about him to a pulp both online and offline. I'd also like to go on record as saying that if Anne Rice ever comes to Australia, I love her Jesus book. However if she doesn't ever come here, I wouldn't use it to wipe my ass.

    1. Re:Jack Thompson takes on the world, and loses! by Rich+Klein · · Score: 1, Troll

      It sounds to me like he's angling for a position in the Bush administration, such as head of FEMA.

      --
      -Rich
  28. Wambulance by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
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    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
  29. Sockepuppets by gtoomey · · Score: 1

    I estimate 90% of reviewers have written just one review, for this book. So of the 53 reviews maybe 45 are from the one person/group.

    1. Re:Sockepuppets by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or maybe 45 people found his book so offensive/ignorant/etc that they got off their lazy order-books-off-the-internet duffs and wrote what they think.

      A general rule of thumb is that: for every complaint you see or hear, at least 10 other people didn't bother to complain.

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      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
  30. Reminds me of a line from A Beautiful Mind by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 1

    Ah, the hubris of the defeated.

  31. Just damn..... by Xanlexian · · Score: 1

    When is he NOT suing someone/some company?!?

    --
    "Congratulations, Boots. Your robot has become self-aware. You're a daddy now." -- Dr. Rho Bowman
    1. Re:Just damn..... by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Probably when he's taking a dump on the toilet.

      No seriously, most people don't have telephones or computers in their restroom.

      --
      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
    2. Re:Just damn..... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Uh, the 21st Century called. It wants its cellphones and wireless laptops back.

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  32. Search for Jack Thompson on Amazon by Fuyu · · Score: 1

    Search for Jack Thompson on Amazon. The first result is his book, Out of Harm's Way. The second book is Advanced Sex : 101 Positions and Techniques, for the Sexually Adventurous by Randi Foxx. Interesting.

    1. Re:Search for Jack Thompson on Amazon by Coleco · · Score: 1

      That happened because if you noticed a bunch of people placed his book on lists with homo-erotic oriented material, hence his book comes up with such material in related searches.

      Lets face it, Jack Thompson picked a fight with the nerds and is losing. It's funny.

  33. Pictures attached to the book by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you look under the pic of the cover, there are two extra "customer images" attached.
    NOTE: I'm not sure how the first pic slipped by Amazon,
    but don't click it if you're squeamish

    From W. Jones "bookreviewer" (Clemson, SC USA)
    This was my immediate reaction after reading Thompson's Book.

    From Neil J. Miotto "Sponge-lueshi" (Menlo Park, CA, USA)
    More images of JT.

    --
    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
    1. Re:Pictures attached to the book by revxul · · Score: 1

      That image of Jack looks like it was done by Timmy.CAD (ctrlaltdel-online.com)

      --
      Truth, Just Us, And Hatred For All Mankind!
    2. Re:Pictures attached to the book by nmb3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NOTE: I'm not sure how the first pic slipped by Amazon,

      Personally I feel sorry for the Amazon staffer in charge of reviewing submissions. After hitting Slashdot I don't even want to guess how many times Goatse got submitted, not to mention who knows what else.

      --
      "What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib
      /)
    3. Re:Pictures attached to the book by Landshark17 · · Score: 0

      When I searched "Jack Thompson" on amazon to see his book and it's reviews it was the first result. The second result was a book of advanced sex positions and techniques. Another is a book about gay sex.

      My personal favorite, however, is further down the page: Penny Acrade, Volume 1 Attack of the Bacon Robots. Sweet irony...

      Check it out: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-fo rm/102-0901216-1666549

      --
      This sig is false.
  34. If you kick somebodies leg... by Yaa+101 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Then don't be surpriced to get kicked in the face.

    In other words, people as outspoken (disrespectfull) as Jack should not be surpriced to be called upon. He really think he can get away with saying thing that hurt people without retaliation?

    Wake up to the world Jack!!

  35. Looks like this is a bad read... by Sox2 · · Score: 1

    ...the reviews on amazon make it sound terrible.

  36. Freedom of speech by broothal · · Score: 1

    Itsn't this freedom of speech as long as it isn't directly libel?

    1. Re:Freedom of speech by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It might be freedom of speech, but a lot of the comments on Amazon aren't book reviews.

      Freedom of Speech: Jack Thompson = Asshole
      Book Review: The author of Out of Harm's Way, Jack Thompson, comes off as an asshole in his book.

      --
      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
    2. Re:Freedom of speech by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      And since he's made himself a public figure, there's a pretty damn high bar for libel. That's why I can say he's a donkey-raping fuckwit with impunity.

      --
      I too have felt the cold finger of injustice.
    3. Re:Freedom of speech by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1
      That's why I can say he's a donkey-raping fuckwit with impunity.
      Let me guess: that's because he has to prove he isn't, right?
      --
      It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
  37. This calls for... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone should write a book about how lawyers are a bad influence on our children.

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  38. Article is trustworthy. by DeusExMalex · · Score: 1

    I know that Livejournal is a completely trustworhty for news and good poetry. That's why I hope to see more Livejournals quoted here on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Article is trustworthy. by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      I had considered that myself, but then how hard is it to believe Jack Thompson has threatened to sue someone (in vague terms)?

  39. Amazon already screwed up by miu · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Amazon already screwed up by even talking to this jackal. The second he contacted them they should have sent their own lawyers into attack mode and prepared for the inevitible lawsuit.

    Seriously, lawyers should be treated like lepers - required to scream out a warning to anyone they come in contact with for any reason. "Lawyer, outcast, unclean! Beware lest I sue ye". Amazon attempted to treat this scum like a rational human being and he will use those efforts against them.

    --

    [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    1. Re:Amazon already screwed up by Tyrant+Chang · · Score: 1

      Not really, if you read Amazon's Condition of Use

      "Amazon.com reserves the right (but not the obligation) to remove or edit such content, but does not regularly review posted content."

      So, as long as Amazon's Condition of Use is held valid by the court, I don't think Jack has any cause of action except for the individual commenters whom he believes has slandered him.

    2. Re:Amazon already screwed up by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1
      Amazon already screwed up by even talking to this jackal.


      They only sent an auto-reply to him indicating that they will look into the issue. That's about it.

      Even if his claims do hold ground, it will be difficult to recover damages - Amazon can't keep up with removing these kinds of reviews, especially when the book later dies into obscurity as simply another book published by a vanity publisher.

      Seriously, lawyers should be treated like lepers - required to scream out a warning to anyone they come in contact with for any reason. "Lawyer, outcast, unclean! Beware lest I sue ye". Amazon attempted to treat this scum like a rational human being and he will use those efforts against them.


      Do you also believe that computer experts should also be treated as useless nerds, geeks and retards? I'm asking, as that's the exact equivalent on how you want to treat lawyers.
    3. Re:Amazon already screwed up by miu · · Score: 1
      I'm asking, as that's the exact equivalent on how you want to treat lawyers.

      In case the leper reference didn't clue you, I was more than half joking. Like many people I distrust lawyers because they wield power in an arena I don't really understand, power that often seems to be used in an arbitrary and underhanded way. That can hardly be said of computer experts. The details of what we do may be mysterious to others, but when it comes down to it we are just technicians or applied mathematicians.

      --

      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
  40. Dear Jack Thompson... by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amazon.com Legal Dept.
    Amazon.com HQ
    November 20, 2005

    Jack Thompson

    Dear Sir:

    Per your request we have instructed our client to remove all of the materials you reqested. Please accept our sincerest apologies. To ensure that such an unfortunate incident does not occur, we have also instructed them to remove this book from their catalog. Furthermore, we are recommending they remove all works authored, co-authored, edited, forwarded, or otherwise contributed to by you.

    Again, we regret these unfortunate events and we trust that you will see that we are serious about making sure that nobody ever makes another negative comment about any of your works on Amazon.com in the future.

    Sincerely,
    The Amazon.com Legal Team

    --
    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  41. Most authors... by segfault_0 · · Score: 1

    Most authors would probably like to get rid of all those pesky bad reviews but dont, perhaps in this case the lawyers should practice law and let the writers write the books because this guy obviously hasnt figured out theres a difference between the two.

    --

    I was crazy back when being crazy really meant something. (Charles Manson)
  42. Better Together by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    On the Amazon page it has this beneath the book details:

      Better Together
    Buy this book with The World Is Flat

    Yup, I agree. Those who buy the Jack Thompson book would definitely like a book called "The World is Flat."

  43. FuckJackThompson.com by EvilCabbage · · Score: 1

    Never before have I been so proud of a domain name I purchased.

    Now I just need to get off my ass and do something with it.

    1. Re:FuckJackThompson.com by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      dude... registering the domain name FuckJackThompson.com is like PlayingWithFire.org

      And even the most dedicated right-wingers should be able to crack a smile at that brazillion joke

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      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
  44. 47 USC 230 by matthewcharlesgoeden · · Score: 1

    Without all the facts, I cannot be sure; but Amazon seems to be squarely covered by 47 USC 230 and has been covered in the past. "[P]laintiffs continue to bring these meritless cases that have no chance under 47 USC 230." from here.

  45. Reviews by BMIComp · · Score: 1

    He's bound to get good reviews now that the story has been slashdotted........

    By the way, who do you think his one positive review (that was allegedly removed by amazon) came from?

  46. This review is priceless by stox · · Score: 2, Funny

    "If you like murdering little puppies than you will love this book! Ax murderers and serial killers alike will take ques from this wonderfully deragned book. Enjoy the life and times of this anti-bill-of-rights author that showers his reader with psycopathic rhetoric. A must read if you plan on being a dictator or child abuser."

    --
    "To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
    1. Re:This review is priceless by Jackass+Thompson · · Score: 1

      You're harassing me!

      --
      Are you threatening me?
  47. Thompson's point of view by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
    While I'd like to agree with you, John (Jack) Thompson is basically a Troll with a JD & a publisher.

    http://croqaudile.com/?article_id=10299

    People who behave like he does (in general, not just in that one example) would get modded down as a troll or flamebait if they posted to /.

    We don't tolerate behavior like his because, when it isn't lowering the level of discourse, it ruins it all together.

    I don't hate him for his point of view, I hate him for refusing to participate in anything other than a 1-sided conversation.



    If God is a Meta-Moderator,
    he's asleep on the job.

    --
    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
    1. Re:Thompson's point of view by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      And what an interesting publisher! Tyndale House Publishers publishes books with a Christian Fundamentalist agenda. Their most popular books are the Left Behind series, which describe the trials of living on earth Post-Rapture.

      And I think you understate the problem. He doesn't refuse to participate in anything resembling a dialogue, he actively and intentionally sabotages any and all attempts.

      I think the reviews, while often childish (and funny), are akin to posting "Rabid Dog" signs outside of a yard to warn passersby.

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  48. Wow! You best watch out guys! by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1

    By this guy's logic I can make a post or journal entry here on /. and sue anybody who flames me! I ddin't know that. Hella cool! I'll be rich by this time next year!

    --
    I dream of a better world... one in which chickens can cross roads without their motives being questioned.
  49. The Tags Are Funniest... by thirty2bit · · Score: 1

    The Amazon tags cracked me up.

    Customers tagged this item with:
    First tag: lies
    Last tag: Propaganda

    Lies (7),Propaganda (5),Childish Name Calling (4),Unfounded assertions (4),Slander
    (4),Unscientific (4),Defamation (3),Self-promoting with fake reviews (3),Biased
    (3),lies (3),Racist (2),Scaremonger (2),toilet-paper (2),Money grabbing lawyer
    (2),Ambulance Chaser (2)

    The part that struck a nerve with me was the book description. "Jack, an outraged father and activist lawyer, is on a mission..." IMHO, 'activist' and 'lawyer' is a conflict of interests.

    Jack needs to call a WAAAHmbulance and get some professional help.

  50. A very effective way of expressing their opinion. by CyricZ · · Score: 0

    You talk about letting him express his point of view, but then you turn around and suggest that it is "defacement" when others express their opinion. Let's have some consistency, okay?

    Like it is often said, a picture is worth a thousand words. That one picture of the person vomiting very concisely shows what many apparently feel about him, and the views he expresses. He chooses to write a book to get his ideas out, they choose to use a single photo.

    Indeed, any true American should consider censorship of any medium, be it computer games, books, radio, television or photos, to be absolutely sickening. Such a picture is an apt description of that feeling.

    --
    Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
  51. I don't belive in coincidence. by Voltageaav · · Score: 1

    At least three of the reviews include some form of the name LUEshi. A quick search of the web reveals several forums where either, someone using that name is banned or someone is complaining about getting flamed by a person using that name. I wonder how many more of those posts might be from the same person?

    --
    Someone save me from this sanity.
    1. Re:I don't belive in coincidence. by Metatek · · Score: 1

      LUEshi is the mascot for the secret organization "LUE" aka "Life, the Universe, and Everything," a secret forum named after the book of the same name. It has spawned numerous spinoffs, the most popular being "LUElinks," which does not actually exist.

      Hail LUEshi.

  52. Damn it by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

    Why can't he just sue someone already? He'll get laughed out of court and maybe just maybe shut his mouth for a while.

    --
    I like muppets.
    1. Re:Damn it by foxwitt · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it becomes clear from looking at Jack Thompson's previous interactions with various entities (Janet Reno, Penny-Arcade, various individuals who've questioned his methods or viewpoints on message boards, and even the National Institute on Media and the Family) that shutting his mouth is not an option.

      --
      Today our lesson will be Chapter 1 of Elementary Necromancy: Proper Use of a Shovel.
  53. Video Games & Violence by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    One of Jack's major assertions is that violent video games lowers inhibitions and leads to more violence, etc.

    The general response to his claim is that "Violent crime in age group X has been dropping for years"

    For the sake of intellectual honesty, I'd like to point out that such a response is meaningless as it represents the aggregate crime rate.

    For either Jack or his critics to make a valid point, they would need specific numbers relating video games to violence. Just because the general crime rate has decreased, doesn't mean that viode-game violence has.

    --
    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
  54. Jack's rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jack Thompson also has a right to privacy. It is protected in the constitution. I recommend he exercises this right.

  55. Let the lawsuits begin... by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

    Thompson also just got kicked off the videogame violence case going on in Alabama because of his frequent press releases. His response? Accuse the judge of being unfit and biased. Gamepolitics said that the letter Thompson wrote was so inflamitory they were afraid that if they posted it they might get sued for libel. While that seems unlikely, that gives you an indication of how outrageous his claims are.

    I've written a lot about Thompson on my blog and, because I find it funny, I've put an Amazon affiliate link for his book on the front page. I'm just waiting for Thompson to send a threatening letter to Amazon because they let people put ads for his book on sites that disagree with him.

    --
    http://www.popularculturegaming.com -- my blog about the culture of videogame players
  56. AI4U Amazon Trash Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The AI4U textbook of artificial intelligence was thoroughly trashed with vicious reviews by malevolent miscreants on Amazon.

    Complaining by the textbook author to one of the reviewers accomplished nothing

    Association for Computing Machinery publishes the truth, but Amazon won't.

    A rebuttal to Amazon AI4U reviews had to be published prominently on-line.

    Slashdot coverage of AI4U was fair and open-minded, but there is no official review of AI4U on Slashdot -- until some brave, truthful, AI-savvy soul submits one.

    AGI Radar is the ultimate antidote to Amazon review treachery.

  57. Maybe the purchasers should sue him by Stupor+Man · · Score: 0

    After all, you can't un-read a book. If the reviews are any indication, there was a lot of pain and suffering on the buyer's end.

  58. My review by Southpaw018 · · Score: 5, Informative

    First: yes, I really did read the book.

    I decided to give this book a go after hearing that Thompson was actually suing Amazon over the reviews left here. Considering I already loathe Thompson for his consistent lies and self-serving press releases, and considering said lies and releases have him in ethical trouble, I was going in prejudiced. I really don't think that made a difference. The book is as rambling and nonsensical as many of Thompson's own statements. When obvious counterpoints to his zealous, frothing-at-the-mouth rage exist, he ignores them entirely (in the real world, he threatens legal action after committing slander. Gee, sounds familiar.)

    Read this book over the hype, if you want. Yes, it will give Thompson some more money, and that's what he wants. It's worth it, though, because it exposes just how...well...insane he really is.

    --
    ACs are modded -6. I don't read you, I don't mod you, I don't see you. Don't like it? Don't be a coward.
    1. Re:My review by scotch · · Score: 1
      It's not about the anonymity. Your observations are all correct, of course, but irrelevant. It's about the 'C', not the 'A'. You can't have a conversation with an AC. You can't tell which AC is repsonding to you. You can't look at an AC's posting history to see what kind of jerk he is (unlike with my history which clearly shows I'm a jerk). You can't assign karma modifiers to individual AC authors so that you don't have to be bother with particular jerks or so that you can pay attention to others. You can't have any hope that if you reply to an AC, they'll read you're reply. You know that often, an AC post is made by someone with a real account, but who withes not to sully that account or have some fit of nastiness tied to himself.

      The slashdot nick may not be traceable to an actual person, but it's still adequate for having some reaonable hope of a real conversation on an online forum. Having a conversation with an AC is like saying one sentence to every person you pass by as you walk down tht street.

      Imagine having nick-less usenet or email or chat or im conversations. Completetly pointless. Yet in those cases, the existence of a nick is usually no more tiable to a real person than the slashdot account.

      The GP may have different ideas, of course.

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    2. Re:My review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hi, i have a question about your sig too. awww.. shoot.

          well, since you're never going to see this, I guess I can safely use this as a forum to get this off my chest without offending you:

        everyone, I am southpaw's ex-boyfriend - I left him because he still wets the bed and lives in his parents' garage - also he never listened to me! goodbye forever southpaw, goodbye.

      -AC

    3. Re:My review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should do a more in-depth Slashdot book review. It would be nice to see a low-rated book on the main page for once. :)

    4. Re:My review by Richard+Frost · · Score: 1

      Read this book over the hype, if you want. Yes, it will give Thompson some more money, and that's what he wants. It's worth it, though, because it exposes just how...well...insane he really is.

      I've never understood this mentality. "You should buy thing X, which is written/created by a person/on a subject you don't like, so that you can confirm your own beliefs!"

      Do you use Linux exclusively, but go and buy Windows licenses anyway?

      Do you hate spinach, but have cans of it stockpiled away?

      Did you go and see SW:Ep III because you "knew it would be bad?"

    5. Re:My review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm reminded of a long article, and a reply to that article, on the topic of the usefulness of Anonymous posting on web forums. (If you're worried about the content of the second link, it's actually a blog, not one of the anonymous forums themselves.)

    6. Re:My review by Southpaw018 · · Score: 1

      Do you use Linux exclusively, but go and buy Windows licenses anyway?
      Nuh uh. Windows exclusively.
      Do you hate spinach, but have cans of it stockpiled away?
      Love spinach.
      Did you go and see SW:Ep III because you "knew it would be bad?"
      Joss Whedon is my master now.

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  59. Your Sig... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The way "Holiness" gets used, (the pope, for example) I don't want anything to do with it...The "Holy Spirit" on the other hand, is a much more complex issue. It could be that people could each be experiencing a higher entity devoted to them, and they all get lumped together into one concept, the "Holy Spirit", along with other spiritual phenomena. There are Biblical references to there no longer being a distinction between holy and common, Zechariah 14:21 is one, but those who try to lay claim to holiness don't understand it. They are those (2 Tim 3:5) "having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof" and Jack Thompson is one of their number.

  60. So. by Vivieus · · Score: 1

    if the offending material isn't removed

    Does that mean they're going to remove his book?

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  61. What Ever by tacocat · · Score: 1

    I spent some time reading these reviews and just walked away.

    Most, not all, of the postings are just dumb. Just a bunch of drivel about the same old shit without anything specific to back it up. And the funny part is, they spend most of their time belly-aching about how Jack has no facts presented in his book. Well, neither do they.

    It's just a bunch of wind on both sides.

    They allege Jack has no facts and they provide no facts to back that up. The closest thing I did find to any truth is he probably has poor writing skills and a poorly backed case against gaming.

    We have to be careful between the balance of violence and non-violence influences in society. If we never have any exposure of violence in any form then we become a society of Welfare Pussies who are incapable of responding to anything which might appear violent in nature. If we only have exposure to violence then we end up a society of synics who don't give a shit or one giant anger management class.

    Unfortunately, most games these days that are considered Violent to not present conflict resolution in any terms but 9mm versus BFG9000. On the flip side students in school have all these touchy-feely classes on conflict resolution. And where in the mix do they learn that there comes a time when your best option is to meet someone in the playground after school?

    I see a lot of people who are told that they can't get angry because anger is bad and in their games they just blow the shit out of anyone who crosses them. So much Therapy!!!

    1. Re:What Ever by kingj02 · · Score: 1
      They allege Jack has no facts and they provide no facts to back that up.
      Isn't the burden of proof on the accuser? Jack is making a bunch of crazy assertions without any creditable evidence to support them. The reviewers are just pointing that out--and their facts are available: just read his book.
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    2. Re:What Ever by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      They allege Jack has no facts and they provide no facts to back that up.

      Thompson claim: Violent videogames turn people into violence zombies.

      Fact: Violent crime rates have gone down while violent videogame sales have gone up.

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    3. Re:What Ever by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      We have to be careful between the balance of violence and non-violence influences in society. If we never have any exposure of violence in any form then we become a society of Welfare Pussies who are incapable of responding to anything which might appear violent in nature. If we only have exposure to violence then we end up a society of synics who don't give a shit or one giant anger management class.

      You have to be careful when you throw facts like this out there without citing sources. There is no evidence of a causal relationship between exposure to violence in media and actual violent behavior.

      Otherwise, you make a good point about our system only showing kids two extreme sides of conflict resolution!

  62. A GameFAQs connection? by CyricZ · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    It should be noted that some of the comments contain the name/word "LUEshi".

    LUEshi is apparently an ASCII image of Mario riding on Yoshi. Some research suggests that it originated from posters at the "Life, the Universe, and Everything." forum at GameFAQs.com [1]. That particular forum itself was shut down or had its access limited by the administrators there, apparently due to excessive abuses by the members.

    Considering GameFAQs' focus on gaming, it is quite plausible to see why people associated with GameFAQs might choose to post such reviews. It sounds like the users of that particular forum are known for intentionally causing trouble, as well.

    The forums at GameFAQs widely known for having excessive rules, overzealous moderators, and what amounts to an extreme lack of freedom. It seems unusual that they wish to speak out against those who wish to limit free speech, while at the same time being members of a community that actively supports and practises censorship.

     
    • Note:
    I have been informed that there is a moderator at GameFAQs.com who also uses the name CyricZ. We are not the same person. I am Cyric Zndovzny, while his name is Scott, if I'm not mistaken. I repeat, I am not the CyricZ at GameFAQs. We are different people.

    • References:

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameFAQs_message_boar ds#Jargon
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  63. What are you smoking? by schon · · Score: 1

    I do not see a problem with him expressing his point of view

    So.. suing people is "expressing his point of view", while people actually *POSTING* their point of view is not?

    You're essentially saying "the only real expression is legal action."

    Whatever it is you're on, you either need to up or cut the dose.

  64. What did he expect by buggerdchoirboy · · Score: 1

    He attacks everybodys fun and games and expects people to like him. Why does he expect a perfect world. What ever happened to not listening to show you don't like and what happened to parental responsibilty in choosing things for their kids. Trying to regulate everbody's lifestyle choices is futile anyway.

    Bad reviews! Did he ever consider the subject was unpopular.

  65. Amazon should just delist his book by baseinfinity · · Score: 1

    Nobody forces Amazon to stock his book. They should just take it off the virtual shelves and be done with it. Don't sue the messanger when the messanger doesn't have to carry your message.

  66. Dickhead. by headkase · · Score: 1

    (Bad) reviews are a form of condensed information about the book that attests to it's quality, so here's a choice qoute from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri:
    Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. (or close to that)

    In my opinion this guys a fuckhead who thinks that whining and crying will always get him what he wants. That said - also in my opinion - he also seems to be on a puritanical crusade to ban everything that offends him. Fuck off Jack Thompson, you don't speak for me or probably anything resembling a majority either.

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  67. What to do with Mr Thompson by DarkIye · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What really irks me is that everyone is getting very worked up over Mr Thompson. I've heard him say that "if I really am crazy, then you'd just ignore me".

    Which is the strange thing. We are getting very worked up over him. What happens when somebody posts something inflammatory, trollish or vulgar here on Slashdot? We just ignore it and get on with our lives. However, it seems to me that this usually stable mindset goes right out of the window when it comes to Mr Thompson, and he's been feeding the furnace of publicity with all the hate emails, comments, and other statements made by the people who can't just see this guy for the common (albeit rich and infamous) troll he is.

    I've even seen this behaviour normally level-headed people like Tim Buckley (who made a quite threatening message in comic form here, I'm sure that if Thompson had heard of it he'd be splattering it everywhere). He says (in essence) that he's got his right to do it if he wants (and yes he does), just like Jack Thompson can argue against video games, but I really don't know how this is going to shift him from the screen at all.

    In any case, I don't suppose he'll be here any longer than New Year's, unless something spectacular happens (maybe something like the Whitehouse being invaded by people dressed up like Unreal Tournament bots - it's Real Tournament now, mofo!).

  68. Search for Jack Thompson on Amazon by Kildjean · · Score: 2, Funny
    As I read this article I decided to take a look at Amazon and read such notes on this book. So when I wrote the name Jack Thompson on the search bar of Amazon I got the following reply:

    Results for: Jack Thompson
    Related Searches: out of harm's way; fire emblem; penny arcade

    Out of Harm's Way by Jack Thompson (Hardcover)
    Books: See all 182 items (Rate this item)
    Buy new: $13.59
    Used & new from $12.48
    Usually ships in 24 hours

    Advanced Sex : 101 Positions and Techniques, for the Sexually Adventurous by Randi Foxx (Hardcover)
    Books: See all 182 items (Rate this item)
    Buy new: $10.17 Not yet released.

    Gay Men and Anal Eroticism: Tops, Bottoms, and Versatiles by Steven G. Underwood (Paperback - March 2003)
    Books: See all 182 items (Rate this item)
    Buy new: $16.47
    Used & new from $6.98 Usually ships in 24 hours

    Kind of weird to search for a book of this nature and have it tied to a bunch of books on sex nd gay sex...

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  69. I wonder by RebRachman · · Score: 1

    Does Amazon adjust book prices according to reviews? If so, maybe they should counter-sue for his writing a sucky book and forcing them to slash prices to get it off their shelves.

  70. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a fool and can't write.

    End of story.

  71. Venue by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Amazon is not a public venue. It is a place to sell stuff. There is a place for the sort of comments that found their way there, but Amazon doesn't do very well at fitting the bill. Slashdot is better, but one's own web page is even better.

    Context:


    The United States has done it's darnedest to make unavailable common areas with which to express views. (permits and what-not... when's the last time you've seen someone on the modern equivalent of a soap box who wasn't already in the public eye.

    1. Re:Venue by schon · · Score: 1

      Amazon is not a public venue.

      Amazon allows the *public* to post their opinions. By definition it is a public venue.

      It is a place to sell stuff.

      If it is only a place to sell stuff, then why do they have the abiltity for the *public* to post their *opinions*?

      There is a place for the sort of comments that found their way there, but Amazon doesn't do very well at fitting the bill.

      Amazon fits the bill perfectly. Where else should one post their opinion of the book, which is available *at Amazon*?

      Slashdot is better

      So, people should fill /. with offtopic opinions of the author and his book, rather than the public opinion system run by Amazon for the express provision of people who wish to review the book? Forgive me if I think you haven't really thought this out.

      one's own web page is even better

      Why should people only be allowed to post their opinions on their own website, rather than in a public forum provided by a third party?

      I have a hard time believing that you've thought through your position, which consists mainly of "the material is not actionable, but Amazon should be liable because they're allowing it to be posted."

  72. 14 year-old wins against anti-video game lawyer by Kildjean · · Score: 5, Interesting
    14 year-old wins against anti-video game lawyer: Jack Thompson

    This is a very interesting post on this guy, how a 14 year old properly rebutted all he has been bs'ing about. This 14 year old is not me... just posting what he put here because i find it interesting...

    I wrote:

    I found a link to your site, www.stopkill.com, through an online forum. I looked over it, and although I think that there is some genuine concern over the effect of violent media on kids, many of your statements on that site were made in ignorance. What I plan to do in this email is to help you gain a better understanding of video games, and to show you that while your intentions are good, your current course of action is a mistake. I'm going to present my arguments calmly and logically, and you're welcome to write a rebuttal if you wish. First off, let me tell you a little about myself. I'm 14, and I've been playing video games avidly since I was 8. I'm pretty knowledgeable about the subject of video games as a whole, and I've played my fair share of Halo 2 and other shooters, including the Ghost Recon series, which is regarded as one of the most realistic FPSs (first-person shooters, in case you aren't familiar with the terminology). I also enjoy strategy games, in which the death toll is often far higher than what you'd encounter in a FPS. I'm an archer, a martial artist (Tae Kwon Do), and I was taught how to operate a gun by my grandfather, who's an experienced hunter. And, oddly enough, I've never felt the urge to kill, or even seriously injure, anyone. I imagine that killing in self-defence would be extremely difficult for me, despite my alleged desensitization. Now I'd like to dismiss a misonception (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and not assuming that you're twisting the truth) you have about games like Halo, which are called FPSs. These are not "sniper games." They are games presented in first person, in which you shoot enemies, manage ammunition, and explore levels. You may fail to see the distinction between "sniper" and "first person" based on that description alone, but if you ever take the time to play any of these games, you'll understand that there is no comparison between playing a FPS and operating a rifle. Which brings me to my next point- games can't accurately "train" you to commit violent acts, despite your claims. First off, games are innacurate by their very nature, and they give you less practical knowledge on operating firearms than watching a few hours of History Channel would. Secondly, I'm going to walk you through a typical scenario of me playing Halo 2, which is probably the best FPS available right now1) I rotate the right control stick slightly, then hold down the right trigger. There is no violent intent towards my enemy, wether it's an AI-controlled bot or a human opponent I'm facing online- it's a simple challenge in the case of the former and a friendly competition in the case of the latter.(2) On screen, a series of polygons which emulate bullet trails appear. Those polygons collide with the polygons rendered to represent my enemy, and those same polygons then emulate my opponent dying.The important distinction here is that there is no gun, no bullets, and no enemy. There is a rotation of the control stick and a pull of the controller's trigger, resulting in a change of the onscreen display. Anyone who can't see the difference between this and the act of firing a gun at a human being is clearly unfit to be playing these games and, frankly, is an idiot. Which, once again, leads me to the next point I'm going to make. No one in their right mind would ever do the things that you blame on video games. A quick glance at such actions shows that there are far bigger, far more serious causes than violent media behind them. Now, you may wonder, "Why would someone kill a person in a video game if they think it's wrong to do in real life?" Well, the truth is, no one gets hurt when you kill a video game character. There are corporeal consequences to commiting acts of violence on rea

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    1. Re:14 year-old wins against anti-video game lawyer by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      A male cow could deflate Jack Thompson's arguments .. so long as it requires a bowel movement

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  73. THAT FUKING CHEESE DIC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social accountability.

    Don't think the first amendment protects you from it. If you get up in front of a British crowd and say shit like, "We didn't vote for him," don't be fucking surprised if your monkey-ass gets boycotted. Keep your fucking hole shut, or suffer the consequences*.

    (* The consequences back in the old days was getting your monkey-ass "drawn and quartered", which involved a bit of pain. Nowadays, thanks to the First Amendment of the Constitution f the United States of America and perhaps to the detriment of our society, it involves social stigmatizing and boycotts. Jack will learn to keep his fucking cake-hole shut, or he will lose money. This is known as social accountability, and it's considered more "humane" than Iran and Saudia Arabia's accountability program [which involves ball-bats and the Moral Police])

  74. Then maybe they should remove the book entirely by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At this point, Amazon has three options:
    1) Do nothing and get sued.
    2) Remove the offending comments and get a reputation for censorship.
    3) Remove the book entirely from the Amazon website and don't sell it anymore.
    I guess 3) would be the least painful version, and it would also show Thompson that he cannot do business with Amazon AND tell them how to run their website. Good riddance.

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  76. Public debate, my rosy red... by Urusai · · Score: 1

    The right-wing conservatives aren't engaged in public dialog. They have God Himself on their side, and you are just another victim to be steamrolled on their crusade. Permitting them their piece is like negotiating with terrorists--it just gives them time to do their evil. No, the solution, just like terrorists, is to cut them off at the source. We must ban all intolerant people. Anyone who opposes us must die. If you don't like it, you are on the list. Get with the program!

    1. Re:Public debate, my rosy red... by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      We must ban all intolerant people. Anyone who opposes us must die.

      I can't understand if you're serious or not. Because if you're not, your sarcasm is wasted on /. And if you are... well then your whole life is wasted on planet Earth and I suggest you take a trip to some communist heaven. Good luck finding one.

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    2. Re:Public debate, my rosy red... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      That whooshing sound either means you're being dive bombed by jet fighters or something else flew over your head.

      I think what might have confused you is that Urusai started with a tenable and supportable position, that the right-wing conservatives aren't engaging in debate and aren't willing to compromise, and will steamroll anything in their path to get their way, using any means necessary.

      Obviously, the sarcasm is in suggesting that WE use any means necessary to counteract this threat to our freedom from the right wing whackos.

      So, maybe there wasn't really a whooshing sound, because I think you got it. You just aren't twisted enough to know that you got it.

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  77. Kill the Reviews and the Book by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

    I don't mind Amazon removing the book reviews. Just as long as they remove the book too. :P

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  78. I'm gonna fucking bury that guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I've done it before and I'll do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Jack Thompson.

    1. Re:I'm gonna fucking bury that guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, even Steve is on our side.

  79. accept it. by bmgz · · Score: 1

    your book sucks dick. no use sueing people over it. people will just think you a dick too.

  80. I highly recommend this course of action... by nmaster64 · · Score: 2, Funny
    From Amazon's "Fine Print":
    If you believe that the product you are reviewing is unsafe, please report this information to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) http://www.cpsc.gov/incident.html or contact Amazon.com directly at product-safety@amazon.com.

    The government needs to be informed that Thompson is unsafe for children ages -3 to 962.

  81. Ignorance must be bliss by josh.loomis · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I'm shocked that someone who makes attempts to be so intellectually sound and morally based hasn't picked up on the fact that he's coming from a position of complete ignorance. Tragedies like Columbine are scary, to be certain, but violent media - video games and music, primarily - are not the sole catalyst. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together and even the most rudimentary Internet connection for research can figure that one out. Why can't a high-profile attorney? I have to wonder, what is wrong with the poor man? Maybe we should get him some help. Seriously. Have a little plastic box for change at the gas station right next to the Special Olympics. "Educate Jack Thompson - The One Less Moron Foundation" or something like that. And here I thought California was a laidback bastion of free speech and Bohemian lifestyles... looks like Mr. Thompson and the Governator are out to change that.

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  83. Everquest, Anyone? by BishonenAngstMagnet · · Score: 1

    Jack Thompson eats giants for breakfast.

    Funny, I never took him for someone into the fantasy genre.

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  85. Amazon handle fake reviews badly by steve_l · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I am the author of a computer book Java development with Ant. A self-publishing house is doing a competing book Java Ant notes and filling it with fake 5* reviews, which is obvious because they always get the case of Ant wrong ("ANT"), and they like the book. All the real reviewers give it 1* for being awful.

    Amazon are refusing to take down the fake ones because they dont explicitly break their rules, and instead pull the ones complaining about the fake reviews.

    To make matters worse, when someone adds a 1* review to the self-published book, they copy that negative review to either my book or the o'reilly alternative. So we are getting our ranking pulled down by real reviews written about a different book.

    This has been ongoing for months and amazon are doing nothing about it, even though it shows that you can't trust amazon reviews at all. What interested parties can do is go to this page and leave 1* comments to balance off the fake ones.

    1. Re:Amazon handle fake reviews badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We got yo' back.

      --Lizzayt

    2. Re:Amazon handle fake reviews badly by PeteDotNu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "What interested parties can do is go to this page and leave 1* comments to balance off the fake ones."

      I'd propose that instead of doing this, people would actually read the book in question and then leave their rating. People should not leave reviews for books that they haven't read, not even as a form of vigilante justice.

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    3. Re:Amazon handle fake reviews badly by steve_l · · Score: 1

      I think that's fair, I'm just not sure the book is in the shops to be reviewed without purchasing,

  86. Stupid by programming-designs · · Score: 0

    Personally I believe that Amazon.com should have the right to put what they want on their website as long as it isn't illegal (warez, copyright infringement, etc..) To sue a company just because bad remarks were given by reviewers is dumb in my opinion. What ever happened to a company being able to do what they like? I believe it is THEIR right to be able to do what they want with their site and should even have the right to remove books from their database totally. I mean, there are tons of websites out there that bash and criticize things but do you see THEM being sued for hurting the reputation of the person being criticized? I know if I owned a company I would feel like I have the right to do what I'd like with it.

  87. Please by xiphoris · · Score: 1

    Tell us more about this "Live Journal" news organization and its insightful media coverage.

  88. Re: #3 by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    I agree that #3 would be the least painful & most fitting, but it wouldn't be the best idea.

    If Amazon dropped his listing, authors may or may not start worrying that if they complain about bad reviews (something lots of authors have to deal with) then Amazon might drop them instead of solving their issues.

    Realistically, Amazon does have a policy in place to deal with reviews that violate the T.O.S. and since Jack's book is listed on Amazon, it means he (or his publisher) agreed to Amazon's terms*.

    In other words, Amazon can tell him to shove his Sunday deadline1 (like Amazon has people working on Sunday) and that the issue will be dealt with according to their pre-existing contract.

    *I'd actually be surprised if Amazon's agreement with authors didn't include an arbitration clause, which would render Thompson's threat meaningless.

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  89. let me give you a hint by groovy_daemon · · Score: 1

    Stop giving this guy press!! Bad press is still good press for him. Lets forget about him, he will then go away.

  90. Re:A very effective way of expressing their opinio by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

    That one picture of the person vomiting very concisely shows what many apparently feel about him, and the views he expresses. He chooses to write a book to get his ideas out, they choose to use a single photo.

    Oh come on. Free speech and all that... but there is still something called good manners, and posting that pic was not a good-mannered act. Besides, we all know it was posted in a hurry by a teenager who heard that J.T. was an 3v1l 4nt1-54m3r, screamed "OMGZ!!!!!111one!!!" and fired the pic away.

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  91. David? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    david murphy :

    I liek jack tomson alot so i got this book but then i forgot that i cant red!!!!" but then my mom red a bit too me and it was very funny but then the bit where his dog dies is sad so i cant red anymore so i sold mine to my frend jerry
    i gives it too stars becos i dont have it now i give it too jerry but i kept teh covar and i put it on my wall
    and anyways everay1 who says jack tomson is a bad man is just stoupid because they nevar got too level 50 on tretis and they smash theyr gamboy!!! lol


    David? I know you're in here... come clean!

  92. In the name of... by aurifex · · Score: 0

    Would someone please throw a fucking bomb through this guys window?

  93. Re:A very effective way of expressing their opinio by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    A concept like "good manners" is irrelevant when discussing freedom. Freedom is one of the few things that is absolute: either you have true freedom, or you do not. If you want to limit what people can express based on some subjective concept like "good manners", then you do not support freedom. It's as simple as that.

    It doesn't matter who posted it, or why they posted it. Any true American, who truly does believe in freedom of expression, will support such expression.

    And did you bother to read the comments? They were rather well written. They included decent capitalization, spelling, grammar and punctuation. You label them as "31337 speakers", but in reality those reviews are of a far higher quality than most postings here.

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  94. Wow, an epic battle rages: by Perp+Atuitie · · Score: 1

    AIDS fights Ebola in the battle to bring health to intellectual property's body of law. May the best plague win.

    1. Re:Wow, an epic battle rages: by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 1

      Please, please, use more paragraph breaks!

  95. Re: #3 by guice · · Score: 1

    If Amazon dropped his listing, authors may or may not start worrying that if they complain about bad reviews (something lots of authors have to deal with) then Amazon might drop them instead of solving their issues.

    I don't think that'll be an issue. The difference in this case is Jack is threatening Amazon. Most of your average authors won't. They'll just send a kind letter to Amazon asking for some reviews to be removed. If their point is valid, I'm sure Amazon would comply. However, in Jack's case, he's using a big bully tactic in attempts to get bad, even though well written, reviews removed.

    What's the best way to deal with a bully? Ignore them and drop all support for them

  96. Stop selling the book by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    If he sues the should just stop selling the book. They can choose which products they want to sell and if they stop selling the book all of those related comments will disappear. Lawsuit settled.

  97. Amazon suggests this by Fr05t · · Score: 1

    Buy this book with The World Is Flat : A Brief History of the...

  98. Re:A very effective way of expressing their opinio by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

    Yes. Unfortunately, I was not talking about the reviewers, but this specific one. Also, I was not supporting censorship in the name of some Greater Good; I was criticizing YOUR apparently high opinion of an angry teen who posts disgusting (OK not to me, but surely someone has to be disgusted) stuff in a totally knee-jerk reaction to things he probably doesn't know anything about. You implied it was a clever thing to do. Unfortunately, it's not.
    All these things regarding true americans, freedom and whatnot have nothing to do with my post.

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  99. That's totally libelous! by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    Jack Thompson is *not* a personal injury lawyer!

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  100. Grow up people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't even know why I'm bothering to write something in support of this guy on slashdot, it'll never be modded high enough to even see ...

    There are bad reviews, and then harrasment. I don't agree with what this guy says either, but the great majority of tags and reviews go beyond simple disagreement. The truth of the matter is, a bunch of immature gamer boys decided they didn't like what he had to say and said "Hey, let's take advantage of Amazon's system and embarrass him". He's completely right to ask for the truly harrassing things to be taken down.

    If Richard Stallman's book had tags like "Richy small dicky" and "faggot" and had reviews calling him a communist and the like, the Slashdot community would be up in arms about Microsoft's secret memos commanding every employee to deface the review, and how the world is so slanted against the poor slashdot community.

    Grow up - we are in the big-boy world and everyone has a right to express their opinion in an appropriate manner. Call him a dick on your website, insult him in your blog but what was done to his amazon review is just as bad as any other abuse of the system on the 'net.

  101. Re:A very effective way of expressing their opinio by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    Again, it does not matter if somebody is "disgusted" by such an image. Disgust felt by a small group of people, or perhaps even an individual, is no reason for freedom of expression to be withheld.

    Americanism, at least before it was perverted to the form it is today, stood for freedom for all. Thus anyone who considers themselves a true American (and I don't mean "American" in today's sense of invading foreign nations, killing civilians and torturing innocent people) should be against all forms of censorship.

    What you're aiming for would be the equivalent of Christianity without any focus on the teachings of Christ!

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  102. Re:A very effective way of expressing their opinio by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

    WTF?! What I am "aiming for"? Dude, what are you talking about? I am not aiming for anything at all. Let me repeat parts of my post so you can understand.
    I was not supporting censorship [...] I was criticizing YOUR apparently high opinion [...] You implied it was a clever thing to do
    Do you understand now? I can't care less about censorship/freedom/america, whatever, in the context of this post. I am simply saying that appreciating what this guy has done is stupid and immature. There, now I've dumbed it down enough. Sorry for trying to be more polite.
    Now if you can derive some pro-censorship anti-true-americanism from this, you're free to try again.

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  103. Damn, so you mean I can't sue him... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    ... for defamation of character, since he's such an asshole that he's destroying the reputation of anyone named Jack?

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  104. Elements of a public venue. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    You're confusing my position with the position of the prior poster. I have made no statement on actionability or liability. I was merely attempting to illustrate some of the unique aspects of this situation that would make the previous poster's viewpoint not as contradictary as it might

    My position is that the venue is not public in the largest sense of the word, because Amazon has the right to decide what gets said where, and furthermore, Amazon's intent for having people state their opinions about a book on the Amazon site is to help others make a purchasing determination. The speech in question goes beyond stating an opinion of the book and into acting out a reaction to it.

    Slashdot is a venue in which a greater range of behavior is acceptable than at Amazon. Slashdot also offers journals, where the journalist's statements are never off-topic. However, there are impingements upon a person's freedom even here.

    A person's own web page is generally more free from imposition of the rights of others than either Slashdot or Amazon, and is just as public in the "eye of the public" sense.

  105. Hey, no problem, Jack... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

    You want Amazon to get rid of all those reviews? There's a very easy way to do so: Amazon can stop selling your book. See how easy that was, and everybody wins!

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  106. #1 is WRONG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is Jack Thompson we're talking about. He doesn't sue people *nearly* as often as he *threatens* to sue them (for some slight--real or imagined).

    Remember the recent spat between him and the Penny Arcade guys? He tried to get the police to arrest them for the slight of donating $10,000 to charity when Jack reneged on his offer of $10,000 to whoever made that video game he wanted. Then hundreds of Penny Arcade readers complained to the Florida Bar Association, and Jack Thompson threatened to sue the Florida Bar Association.

    This guy threatens to sue people all day long, its a favorite pasttime of his. Amazon should remove the most heinous comments, then politely brush Jack off and ignore him. The guy is a professional complainer. He won't actually sue (and if he did, he won't actually win).

  107. Re:book link! Thanks for the fix... but could you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "fix" Jack as well please?

    Some of us are willing to pay good money to see Jack put back into a box!!

  108. Hides the real issues by gubachwa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the book description:
    Jack, an outraged father and activist lawyer, is on a mission to protect children from the violent and obscene video games, music lyrics, shock jock radio shows, and television programs he says are creating a culture of violence and degradation.
    If the answers were only that simple. If video games, music lyrics, and bad television programs caused all the problems we see today, then I would have no trouble supporting this guy. But things are not that simple. Violence and degradation has been around for a long long time, long before the stuff that Jack enjoys blaming. Our history is littered with violence and degradation: crucifixions, wars, torture, hatred, prejudice. You pick a century, and it would probably be fairly easy to find some example of man's inhumanity to man. What does Jack blame those instances of violence on? I doubt very much that Pontius Pilate was listening to his Marilyn Manson CD when he got the idea to order the crucifixion of Christ.

    But what's even worse than the fact that Jack Thompson is flat-out wrong, is the fact that he, and those like him, end up hiding the real issues. Lets take the Columbine shootings as an example. There were plenty of people ready to blame music, tv, and video games for the shootings. Michael Moore examined the absurdity of these claims in Bowling for Columbine by observing that the shooters were bowling the morning of the shooting -- so why not blame bowling? The real issue was that these kids who committed the murders were the target of ongoing emotional torment and bullying from a lot of their classmates. Rather than say, hey wait a second, maybe we have to do something to prevent bullying and to teach kids to respect one another as human beings, Jack and his ilk blame all the wrong things. But then again, it's probably easier for Jack to attack these things than reach a 17-yr old highschool jock and try to get him to actually respect people who don't fit in.

    1. Re:Hides the real issues by ediron2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shh, you might wake up Jon Katz.

  109. I liked Jack Thompson the first time... by ByteGuerrilla · · Score: 1

    ... when his name was Josef and he was General Secretary of the Soviet Union.

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  110. Authors Wife is a Liar. by external400kdiskette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did you have any luck getting amazon to pull the reviews that mention the Oprah episode where your wife is exposed about lying with regards to being an Ivy League graduate? How do you feel about her lying to sell more books and never recanting on that fact?

  111. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  112. Censorship should make a true American sick. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    Such subjective terms as "stupid" and "immature" are irrelevant when it comes to this matter. The fact remains that it is a very effective way of getting across the point that censorship is, to any true American, a very disgusting and unpalatable thing. Any true American should want to vomit violently when they read the works of someone who is in favor of censorship. After all, freedom of expression is what true Americanism is all about.

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  113. Re: #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm an Amazon employee working on Sunday you insensitive clod!

  114. Customer images on Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the customer images on the Amazon page. They're funny.

  115. No need to sue, it's been slashdotted by chiok · · Score: 1

    Now that the book has been on Slashdot, the new customer reviews will be objective and positive.

  116. Seriously.... by drg8000 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I dont mean to sound retarded or anything....but jack thompson needs to DIE.... He just threatens to sue anything that doesnt go with his view. Its lucky for us not that many people take him seriously....God he just needs to die...

  117. I think you're misunderstanding things a bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jack's book is still being sold on Amazon, and for those interested in the book, they can read and/or ignore the opinions posted by people.

    I looked through about half the reviews of the book and for the most part, I thought the reviews that were posted as of 3:15 EST were not "unfair" in the sense that were people's opinions of people that were expressed in a more or less lucid was.

    I'm of two minds about these comments... it sounds like a lot of people don't think much of him so I'd be wary of his book. At the same time, a person who can garner so much negative attention might be worth reading if only to understand him better.

    I don't see that he has much to complain about; given his history, this might just be a way of garnering publicity; perhaps he makes money that way. ...and all of that is just B.S. to my main point: His platform is there for him to express and sell his thoughts. But "free speech" in this context means that people will ridicule him for his views. That's free speech at it's finest and I don't see how that inhibits his right to speak even a little.

  118. Reviewing the comments by brennz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I noticed a general trend.

    There is an extreme amount of hatred towards Jack Thompson. Having read through some of the correspondence (already listed as links on other posts) it is very clear how this came about.

    It is fine to have people of different persuasion or a different ideological bent. If you treat people you disagree with in a courteous & professional manner, they will most often respond in a civil manner.

    However, if you take a juvenile approach towards your opponents, belittle them, and insult them, they will respond in kind.

    Mr Thompson is only receiving what he has sown.

    GG

  119. Thompson on the radio by GeekyMike · · Score: 1

    I live in Birmingham, Alabama. Thompson has been on the local talk radio station at least twice in the last year or so. I will say this, he is a good orator when he is on his monologue and pretty good when a caller who agreed with him was waving the "We love Jack" flag. As soon as a differing opinion came across, however, Jack got unhinged, screaming and acting like we killed his puppy.

    He had one guy who said he liked to play Halo. As soon as he mentioned Halo, Jack ranted about the game being a killing simulator used to train mass murderers (kind of fuzzy on exact wording). After that tirade he asked the caller if he liked the GTA series, the caller said he wasn't impressed with the game, but he had played it. Thompson went into a rant about the evils of society and had the hosts drop the call. The caller was given no chance to present his views. I can't stand a coward who resorts to yelling when presented with a conflicting view.

    I am thankful that we had a level head like Judge Moore over that case. He is campaigning for governor now. I think it will be an interesting year.

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  120. Slashdotter book tastes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Amazon exposes Slashdotter book tastes!
    Recently Viewed Products
        Out of Harm's Way by Jack Thompson
    Customers who bought items in your Recent History also bought:
     
        Advanced Sex
    by Randi Foxx
     
        Trust, the Hand Book
    by Bert Herrman


    Actually..

    Customers who bought items in your Recent History

    Holy crap! Jack Thompson buys sex books from Amazon!
  121. Sorry Jack, no one has your back! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 0

    He's luck that Amazon censors the obsenities in the reviews. At this point, I think Amazon.com should start selling "I hate Jack Thompson!" T-shirts. (KMFJT : Kein Mitleid für Jack Thompson! : No pity for Jack Thompson!)

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  122. Started a wave of kickass pictures by corbel_ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just wanted to enjoy my 2 minutes in the fame. I love all the new pictures that have sprouted up there! After I posted the girl vomiting image (which has been deleted) followed closely by the great ctrl-alt-del picture of thompson, and am glad to see I started a wave of kickass user submitted pictures! I talked about more of this at my blog corbeledg.blogspot.com (sorry for the shameless plug)

  123. Huh? by DakotaK · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or was the threatening review pulled off the page? I saw it earlier today, but I can't find it anymore.

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  124. Re:Jack Thompson would LOSE. by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

    You're probably right, but it doesn't matter because Jack Thompson doesn't actually files lawsuits he only threatens to. The guy is a scumbag, all he does is invoke the stereotypical "do what I want or I'll sue you".

  125. removing the book.... by jefu · · Score: 1

    I suspect that if this guy is really going to sue over the bad reviews, he would be equally likely to sue if Amazon dropped his book.

  126. Why not take the WalMart route? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When Sheryl Crow criticized them in one of her songs, they stopped selling the album.

    Amazon should just stop selling his book(s).

    LK

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  127. Poor Jack... by some+guy+on+slashdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He decided to go on a legal rampage to promote his new book, thinking that by the time it hit the shelves, the nation would be so full of anti-videogame paranoia and bile that they would buy the book on its position rather than its merits. This has worked for politico authors in the past, so it seemed like a sure shot. Jack's publisher probably supported or even helped him draft his "modest proposal."

    Unfortunately, in a classic Thompson mistake, he chose to run his publicity stunt in a way that invited people to respond. The response was overwhelming, and those who opposed Jack's particular flavor of moral outrage were able to make his stunt fall flat while being gracious and generous themselves. In the meantime, the legal actions which might have helped sales of the book were being challenged. The intended political pot stirring barely reached beyond the smaller audience of gamers themselves, for whom the message was a non-starter.

    In the end, the book only served to damage Thompson more, because it was beamed toward a highly sympathetic audience. Had he managed to create that audience, the book would have done well. (Imagine if he had stayed on the Alabama case and made it into the OJ Simpson Trial of video games.) As it stands, without wealth of pre-existing sympathy for his ideas, people are looking to the book for some justification of Jack Thompson's crusade - as is reasonable to expect from a 200 page book. They aren't finding that justification, because the book was never intended to have substance of its own. It is a symbolic book. People reading it undecided can only see that Jack is a very angry, egotistical, and unreasonable person.

    So let this be a lesson to those who would ride the crest of public outrage to sell themselves - when you wipe out, you wipe out hard.

  128. Re:book link! NEWS FLASH!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just in: Jack Thompson Sues Slashdot!

  129. Found Jack Thompson on Amazon? by findawg86 · · Score: 1

    So there is one review on amazon (user: Jesus (Heaven) ) that is actually a positive review giving it 5 stars. The only thing is it was created today and there was an obvioius attempt to create a history by posting another review, a negative review on a book that has been out for months. Just a thought that it by the odd chance could be good old Jack... maybe its hopeful thinking.

  130. Re:Jack Thompson would LOSE. by Pranadevil2k · · Score: 1

    Do you really expect a lawyer like Jack Thompson to have any idea about such petty things as 'legal precedent?' He's too busy threatening little kids with legal action for playing games ;_;

  131. uninformed by NumbThumb · · Score: 1

    I particularly liked this comment on Amazon's page:

    Never read the book and I don't plan to. However, just like Jack-o, I have an uninformed opinion, but unfortunately for me I won't make as much money as him with it.

    Also amusing: type "Jack Thompson" into the search box on amazon.com - the first hit is the book and page in question, but look at the rest of the page!

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    1. Re:uninformed by rebelcan · · Score: 1

      One thing I noticed was the other book with the exact same title as Jack Thompsons book. Is it legal to have the exact same title as another book?

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  132. Jack Thompson Vs Slashdot !! by sachu · · Score: 1

    Now he may come after /. to post this article !!!

  133. moron by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
    Your own argument works against you. Personal attacks and Amazon hijinks against Jack Thompson deserve just as much respect as any speech made by Jack Thompson, or anyone else for that matter.

    Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. People will say things you don't like. Deal with it. These fine folks are dealing with it by making personal attacks and being vulgar. That is their way. If that offends you, well, tough. You don't have the right to not be offended.

    Being disrespectful of a person's speech does not equate to disrespecting said person's right to speak it.

    Furthermore, arguments such as this only serve to push the real issue out of the way. That is, in fact, how Jack operates. He publicly makes an ass of himself, and then proceeds in attempts to shut up all opposition by attacking the more vulgar responses. He is, in fact, far more offensive than those he seeks to silence, as his attacks often come from Jack Thompson the Lawyer, not Jack Thompson the concerned citizen/author/whiny fucking jerk.

    But in the end, it's Amazon's site. They can do as they will.

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    1. Re:moron by mumblestheclown · · Score: 1
      Your own argument works against you. Personal attacks and Amazon hijinks against Jack Thompson deserve just as much respect as any speech made by Jack Thompson, or anyone else for that matter.

      Yelling "lalalalalalalala" at the top of your voice in order to prevent others from being heard is not free speech.

      The article states that was basically what people were doing - NOT simply writing negative reviews, but basically using amazon tricks to ensure that any 'real' reviews would be lost in the noise. RTFA.

  134. censorship? by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
    So you are all in favor of censorship then? You do not have a right to be well liked. You do not have a right to not be ridiculed. If someone wants to express their opinion with pictures of puke... well... I don't see how you have a right to stop them.

    Do you have an agreement with Amazon.com that prohibits them from allowing other people to express their opinion of you with pictures of puke? I doubt it. And unless you have complete control of distribution of your works, you also cannot prevent them from acquiring copies to sell... and possibly deface.

    That's the real price of freedom, BTW. You have it, but so does everyone else. You can say what you want, and so can they. Deal with it.

    Really, you're like the folks who want to ban flag burning.

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  135. Re:Liability of website admins for 3rd party libel by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    Oh surrrrrre, like Jack Thompson ever let facts stop him before.

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  136. Remove the book by PickyH3D · · Score: 1

    If an author threatened to sue me, then I'd just remove the book completely.

  137. Don't feed the troll. by Thad+Boyd · · Score: 1

    I have a question.

    Why are we still talking about Jack Thompson?

    Shouldn't we know better than to feed trolls?

    ...I guess that's actually two questions.

  138. LJ appears to be /.ed, so here's the article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jack Thompson vs. Amazon.com ?

    Jack Thompson has a new book. Maybe you heard...

    Out of Harm's Way is currently available on Amazon.com as well as other booksellers. GP can't comment on the tome's quality, since our copy hasn't yet arrived. It is pretty clear, however, that the book's early days have been plagued by bad Amazon reviews. It's possible - likely? - that many of the "reviewers" are reviewing the author, not his work. Most of the reviews have been of the one-star (out of five) variety, accompanied by negative, even nasty commentary about Thompson himself.

    Out of Harm's Way has likewise been plagued with a slew of negative tags on Amazon, as well as linkage with books on gay erotica, presumably caused by mischevous back-and-forth clicking between Thompson's book and various sex manuals offered for sale by Amazon.

    GP spoke with the controversial attorney about the book situation earlier in the week. At that time, Thompson blamed the bad write-ups on "pixelantes" (Thompson's term for gamers), and expressed the opinion that the reviews violated Amazon's terms of service. An exchange of e-mails that Thompson shared with GP today indicates how frustrating the situation has become for the outspoken Miami attorney.

    First, there's this one from Amazon to Thompson:

    "Thank you for writing to Amazon.com to bring these reviews to our attention. Please rest assured that these comments have been removed from our database and will disappear from the web site within 48 hours.

    In the future, please report any review that you find inappropriate by clicking on the "report this" link.

    We do exert some editorial control over our customer reviews and strive to block these kinds of reviews. Our intention is to make the customer review forum a place for constructive commentary and feedback, so reviews that fall outside these guidelines are either edited for compliance or are removed from the web site. Amazon.com does not tolerate profane or spurious customer reviews.

    Again, I apologize for this situation and I'd like to thank you for taking the time to let us know. Feedback from conscientious individuals such as yourself helps us maintain the quality and integrity of our site... "

    Thompson replied to Amazon as follows:

    "I have found that the offending reviews are still up at your site, but I find, interestingly, that a review by someone calling himself "Bushsupporter" who gave my book, Out of Harm's Way, four stars and a favorable review, has been removed from the site. Curious.

    I have just checked at approximately 1:30pm Saturday, November 19, and I find at least 33 negative reviews that violate your own rules. In fact, more of them have been posted AFTER you sent me the below email promising they would be blocked.

    If these ALL of these reviews which violate your own "review rules" are not down from your Amazon.com site by 7:16 pm Sunday, November 20, then I shall have to proceed accordingly..."

  139. Jack Thompson is a pussy by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    Jack Thompson threatens to sue lots of people, but I've never actually seen him pull through. Isn't that barratry? Why hasn't this assclown been disbarred yet?

  140. Re:Thompsonspeak for dummies (like him) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jack Thompson wrote:
    [...] I'm in the current Reader's Digest and working with US Senators.

    BIG F**KING WOW. There are HUNDREDS of people in the current Reader's Digest prize draw, and he thinks it makes him special?

  141. still being a moron by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
    Noone has a right to be heard. And now you are judging peoples' speech and deciding who has a right to free speech. Being annoying and drowing out other peoples' discussion is not akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre.

    But, since it's Amazon's site, they are free to do as they will. They are under no obligation to anyone. If they don't mind that particular book listing being "deface" with pagefulls of bullshit, that's their right to leave it alone.

    Jack "mouth spew" Thompson has no standing to sue.

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  142. Amazon Can Easily Solve This Problem by lperdue · · Score: 1
    A couple of years ago, when huge numbers of similarities were spotted between Da Vinci Code and my previous books, Da Vinci Legacy and Daughter of God, there was a blizzard of Amazon reviews trashing my books. It was determined that most of these came from a handful of people who were logging in with numerous fake accounts. Amazon,to their credit, investigated and removed all of the reviews where they could determine that the reviewers were fake. Some suspect reviews remained, but they could not be conclusively determined to be fake. It was the best Amazon could do then, but they have better tools now.

    This sort of situation (not just mine) is one of the key reasons that Amazon started the "Real Name" system.

    With this existing system, Amazon could eliminate or curtail fake review flames by:

    (a) Restricting reviews only to those with Real Name badges, or
    (b) Allowing reviews by all, but only allowing ratings by Real Name reviewers to count toward the star ratings.

    Obviously this is no guarantee against bad reviews, but it does help assure that the reviewers are real people and not robo-trashes and people with a grudge and no life.

  143. Ad by JoseAugusto · · Score: 1

    This is an Amazon ad campain so that gamers would buy more from Amazon this Christmas.

  144. Holy Hilarious Review, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank god for people like Jack, November 21, 2005
    Reviewer: Cletus Moroni (Utah) - See all my reviews
    I have just finished this book and let me say that it has changed my life for the better. After leaving the Marines in 1992 I wanderederd aimlessly around America trying to fit in somewhere and I was failing miserably. I was living in St George Utah with a crazy Mormon girl who was hiding from her husband who was also her uncle when I discovered Doom. I played that game so much I dried my eyes out and couldn't wear contacts anymore. One day while Claire was out grocery shopping with the welfare check( That part of Utah gets more federal welfare dollars than any other area in the country) I found some extra cash tucked into the mattress of her bed along with a few wallets from men I did not know. I drove over the state line to get some beer and I stopped into a video store and there was a new game on the shelf-Redneck Rampage.

    Of course I bought the darn thing. I played the heck out of that one also. A few months went buy and Claire got herself pregnant. Since she had been gaining weight for some time, I had not been tapping that particular tushie. In fact I had partitioned of the trailer and was coming in thorough a window. So I knew the kid wasn't mine. It still made me mad. I packed my things and left Utah. On the way out of Utah I robbed three gas stations, two mini marts and the only porn bookstore in utah.

    My life of crime had begun. For the next few years I crisscrossed america robbing porn bookstores, liqour stores and bbq resturaunts. Whenever I found a temple I would wait in the parking lot and follow the nicest car home and I would rob them to. It was during one of thes robberies that I stole a laptop that had soldier of fortune on it. I sat in many a motel six and played that one so much Lupita my Honduran girlfreind left me. I was on a path to nowhere.

    It was around that time I saw mr Thompson on CNN and something cliked. I new why my life was spiraling out of control it was because of the video games. The fact that I was uneducated, unskilled and boderline sociopethetic had nothing to do with it. The fact that I never knew my daddy and my mom was a three-dollar ride in Biloxi had nothing to do with my situation. It was those damn evil video games. Read mar Thompson book and it changed my life.

    I am back in Utah and I now am a counselar at a home for unwed mothers. Claires oldest daughter is here and we are planning to get married next month when she turns 16. thank you Jack Thompson and God bless you for looking out for the children.


    I love it. Hehehehehehehehe. (This was a 5-star rating comment, as you may guess)