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A Report on Swearing in Online Games
A Next Generation article references an informal study done on the frequency of swearing on Xbox Live. From the study: "When you logon to Xbox live more often then not you will be greeted by a 14 year old that learned a new word on the playground that day, or maybe it's the drunken 24 year old who hates black people, gays and anyone who isn't in his frat. No matter who you are if you have played on live you have run into cursing and lewdness. If you look at the rating for the game you can see that it is intended for ages 17+ but parents don't care/understand/listen so lots of underage kids have [Halo 2]." Warning: links contain profanity.
Swearing online?! That never fucking happens.
Considering that the bulk of online gamers are of the age where they probably speak like this in real life too, it shouldn't be very surprising that it spills over into their online activities as well.
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If you can just goad them a little bit into cutting loose with their mouths, you are are halfway to victory.
Conversely, it is important to keep your own cool and your focus on the game. A few taunts when the other guy is down may help in keeping him down as you compound his anger, but this must be done out of strategy, not out of an effort to verbally 'get back' at your opponent.
No noes!!! Teh teenies are swearing!
Yeah, I never once used a "bad word" when I was a kid. Never... nope...
While true that we shouldn't encourage this behaviour, for the most part kids are gonna use profanity and when you put them in an "anonymous" situation, well, the flood gates will open. Kinda like all the arseholes that will post in this "anonymous" thread.
Does it really surprise anyone that kids actually swear? You can't blame this one on video games. I learned all my swear words when my parents argued when I was a child and picked up a few more colorful words from my sister-in-law when she got a divorce from my brother. I didn't start using swear words until I got into middle school where colorful language was a prelude to a fist fight. A long time ago, parents used to take responsibility for their children's language devopment. These days, no one gives a fraq!
... cunt? It's not in his fucking list of damn swears. Fucking cunts always use that fucking cunt word. Cunt, cunt cunt cunt cunt. It's all you hear sometimes.
Fuck.
Trolling is a art,
What the fuck is the problem with swearing? It doesn't do shit. A swear word never hurt anyone.
Ahem.
Fuck goddamned shit tits asshole cunt-piss.
Thank you very much.
I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my pants
But here is an intresting link, that i'm sure people who looked google video know of: Here is a kid who plays the X-box I know he is only one person, and lots of other people on the x-box are more normalish.
Don't Xbox Live games have optional profanity filters?
Even PlayOnline/FFXI had that, on PS2.
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but parents don't care/understand/listen
And that's the problem. I don't care if every other f*cking word is a curse. Parents can't complain when they don't know what their kids are doing. I know parents that monitor what their kids play, watch on TV, and listen to on the radio. It's not impossible. Parents who claim they can't prevent their kids from seeing these curse words are simply irresponsible.
These studies aren't needed because it doesn't matter. If the fear is kids seeing/hearing it then parents are letting these kids get exposed to it, either knowingly or ignorantly.
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i wish it were the drunken 24-year-olds but its mostly the more annoying 14-year-olds with their new words, which, most times, get used incorrectly
"that fucking fucktard fucked my fucking fuckrifle"
etc etc
I recently slapped together a pointless waste of time and noted with an unfortunate lack of surprise just how many of the postings were profane or sexual or otherwise trollish. I think the average age of web posters must be about 14 or so and the average mind must be in the gutter. This does not speak well for our future... of course sometimes it can sure as hell be damn entertaining! Ah, nevermind. Screw the future!
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I used to have a spray of the goatse man with the caption "I fucked you." Whenever I'd get a really good, or lucky kill I'd spray it.
I had a couple of server admins complain that they had kids playing there. My response was "It's OK for children to pretend to blow people's brains out, guard hostages, and plant C4 charges but it's wrong for them to see buttocks?"
LK
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With apologies to Monty Python...
I bet they won't play this game on the X-Box.
I bet you they won't play this new (bleep) game.
It's not that it's (bleep) or (bleep) controversial,
Just that the (bleep)ing kids cuss all the time.
You can't say (bleep) on the X-Box,
Or (bleep) or (bleep) or (bleep).
You can't even say I'd like to (bleep) you some day
Unless you're a doctor with a very large (bleep).
So, I bet you they won't play this game on the X-Box.
I bet you they daren't (bleep)ing well program it.
I bet you their (bleep)ing old mothers and fathers
Will think it's a load of horse (bleep).
This proves there should be an 18+ rule for the internet, to root out most of the problems. And besides, people judge you on the internet based solely on how you speak. If you want to be percieved as a total moron, it's not hard to do. In fact, most people don't even realize it. But nothing pisses me off more than servers that ban profanity of any kind. It's total garbage, swearing is acceptable to a point, but to restrict it entirely is disgraceful.
Actually, You are often getting annoyed in some rooms, sometimes even kicked automatically.
Pick a name containing bad words, mine is Adolf Schwarznigger, and see how long it takes before you get kicked.
Staying in a multiplayer game is like a rodeo for me, I never know when I'm gonna get kicked or get planted until I change my screenname (but then I get kicked over calling the admin of the room a punk ass right-thinking muthafucka, or such)
Swearing isn't the concern, freedom of swearing is, at least to me.
You just got troll'd!
How can ANY game be rated as 'mature' when it features players committing murder, torture, violence, speak foul languages, or other forms of antisocial acts in the name of entertainment, performed by underage spoiled brats? In fact, the only people who enjoy committing these acts are people with underdeveloped brains[1]! It clearly shows the ESRB ratings are only served to fatten game publishers' bottom lines rather than helping gamers to make the proper purchasing decisions.
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[1] http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040508/bob9
You were on a Puritan team or something. There's way more god damn cussing than that. If you can't deal with the language, then go buy a sewing machine and learn to make dresses, you pussy!
But seriously, though. When the Muslims take over America, they'll clean all this shit up. They'll kill all the queers in San Francisco, and just wipe out the drug gangs on the Mexican side of the border.
The Muslims will take care of all this shit you hear in-game. You won't have to worry about hearing none of this stuff when you play.
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WTF (that's "What the fuck") is with the warning that the link contains profanity? There's enough profanity on Slashdot that I would think it doesn't need to be stated that you might see some naughty words. I think we're all plenty prepared, seriously, thanks.
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One reason why I turn off voice chat immediately in all games that have it built in and refuse to use team speak, I don't want to listen to people who cannot shut up and play.
Why is a 24 year old in a frat? Are these 7 or 8 year college students the target demographic for the XBox?
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games like World of Warcraft have a filter option. If you don't want me to swear, too bad. That's why there is an option for you not to hear it at all.
Ralphie: Ohhhhh fudge!
Ralphie as Adult: Only I didn't say "Fudge." I said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!
(later)
Mother: Alright. Now, are you ready to tell me where you heard that word?
Ralphie as Adult: Now, I had heard that word at least ten times a day from my old man. He worked in profanity the way other artists might work in oils or clay. It was his true medium; a master. But, I chickened out and said the first name that came to mind.
Ralphie: Schwartz!
If anyone needs me, I'll be in the Angry Dome.
My parents told me it was impolite and rude to swear, but never told me not to do it. I tend not to swear because I would rather not be thought of as impolite or rude.
However, if I was told not to do it, I'd probably swear out of spite. The façade some parents have of control often lures them into thinking they can tell children what to do, rather than explaining why they should or should not do something.
...what the fuck is this country coming to? Too many bitches whining about shit in the world. Great, the world is full of profane motherfuckers and other types of assholes who swear a lot, but jesus h. my fucking christ, you don't hear me complaining about it.
Bunch of fucking whining pussies if you ask me.
When I worked on a networked EA title a couple years back, we were required to put in a chat profanity filter. We were given some code and a file with the obscenity list that had been developed for a previous title. The obscenity file was pretty funny, containing some words we'd never heard before, and some ordinary words that we couldn't imagine used as obscenities. Combined with the code that tried to detect variations, it was weird, because it would allow some really standard obscenities you'd expect to filter out, and blocked stuff like "assume" and "sucker". Also amusing, the file ended up in plaintext on the disc. So if you dumped the disc contents, it looked like some disgruntled programmer had put all sorts of swears into the game.
Old people fall. Young people spring. Rich people summer and winter.
Your social security cheque is late! Stuff costs more than it used to! Young people use curse words!!!
[not flamebait, just pointing out an observation] You wouldn't think nerds were aggressive... until you read some of the comments on slashdot...
What is a problem about a kid hearing / using swear words? I see you americans making a big deal out of it; but, seriously, why is it supposed to matter? So a kid swears ... SO FUCKING WHAT! It's not like it's going to make him sick or something.
... and swear as much as you do!
Oh and btw nowhere in the world but in the US do people care so much about swearing
This is one of several resons I let my XBox Live! account expire. I don't mind swearing, I do it alot. It's the constant screaming; racial, sexist and homophobic slurs; the constant accusations of cheating if you're kicking their pasty little asses; the incessant trash-talking and the general meanness and abusive conduct.
I don't play games in order to listen to a bunch of obnoxious children who think the Internet gives them the right to behave like complete asshats with imounity. I play to have fun.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
YOU STOLE MY F***ING CLOUD SONG! I'M GOING TO FIND YOU AND KILL YOU F***ING A***HOLES! AARRRRGH!!
;) Anyhooos.... If you know what I'm talking about then you do. Or not, but look up Cloud Song on google. Quite a laugh. (Had to type this to get past filter).
Yep
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
Some people don't like "profane" language. Some don't like words which malign their religious beliefs, or cartoons which depict ideas they disapprove of. Some people dislike words which imply sexuality of any sort; which is rooted in cultural or religous values.
I don't like religion; blind faith deeply offends me, and the teachings of many faiths fundamentally disturb me. I don't like their values; but I'm told we're suppose to have freedom of speech and of religion in the West. So long as they respect my rights, I'll respect theirs -- but it has to be an equal process.
If I can't call upon a curse from my god to condemn you to the firey depths of damnation, then my religious freedoms have also been abridged. If I can't suggest explicit sexual notions for fear of offense, then my freedom to speak of those notions has also been abridged.
So, if religious zealots are free to knock on my door, and preach their gospels at me in the city streets, I should be equally free to tell them, in no uncertain terms, to fuck off.
Topics like these don't do anything but promote swearing.
preface: I speak mainly of Halo-2 ...one of the things I've hated most about the environment is the things that "little boys" do that really get under my skin. Playing "cheap" is one thing that comes to mind -- sniping too much, maintaining control over the biggest-badest weapon or whatever. I don't mind getting my ass kicked, but at least let the game be fun! Then there's the kids who would otherwise suffer the wrath of the back of my hand for saying crap they shouldn't. Call me old school, but I think respect has a role in all of society.
Incidentally, the "solution" to the "cheap boys" I have found is to speak to them first, and then don't let them win. Invariably, these cheap players play that way because they lack good general skills and strategy. I recall one time I was being "cheaped" and after a few kills, I put my foot down, played the same game he was and whooped his butt to the point that he simply disconnected from the game since he wasn't going to win and wasn't going to get another kill from me.
The general solution to this should be self-evident: no admission into adult areas without parental permission or otherwise proving you are an adult in some way... otherwise keep kids at the kiddie table. A tough notion to apply to the net though.
Fuck Fuck fuckitty fuck... I don't see what the big fuckin deal is bitch!!!
I like things that are sweet and not things that are lame. --
if i was 24 and still in a frat i would hate everyone to :)
Above post contains profanity.
by a 14 year old that learned a new word on the playground that day [my bold]
I'm always amazed by people who simply seem to never have been young at all, ever.
Or else, there is some condition or secret government experiment that causes people's brains to be wiped of all experiences had before age 22.
Earth to shut-in researchers: Most kids know all such words well before age 12.
Maybe some parents don't manage to hear them until 14, but that's because they are uninvolved with their children's lives, or else drastically shelter them.
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
...PLEASE think of the children???
but prefer Diablo II for FRP games.
They swear too much online, but the Diablo II crowd tends to swear less.
It's also why I'm not interested in online play, so much as neighborhood play.
If it's a neighbor and they trash-talk, I can hunt them down and knock on their door and give them what for.
if it's someone thousands of miles away, I usually can't be bothered.
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Sexual: Sexual phrases which were not homosexual. Fuck was not included in this unless it was directed at a person i.e. your mom. Hilarious.
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Ten year old child brings Grant Theft Auto to the counter and asks to rent it. Gord speaks to the father.
"Sir, might I suggest a different game? This title isn't really a title for children due to inappropriate material."
"Why is that?"
"Substantial violence and swearing."
"Holy fuck! You're shitting me! I can't expose my son to god damned swear words at his age. That sort of shit will fuck him up. That's bullshit they make games with swearing. What son of a bitch would make a game like that?"
<dramatic pause>
<Gord types into the computer>
Note: Nathan can rent mature games - so says his father.
"Here's your game. See you in a couple days."
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
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100% of the words considered profane in this survey are sexually related, and morever mere words. The visceral gameplay in which you cap folks left and right in the most graphically and visceral way current technology allows is somehow banal? Who was it that said,"..you can show a man getting hit in nuts on tv and nobody cares much, not even censors. But show sombody getting their bollocks caressed and your suddenly a thought criminal..."? Odd polarities in the modern world huh? Heh polarities...
I tried looking, but I couldn't figure out where the researcher lived. While the Internet connects us all, generally people only play with those closest to them - for reasons of ping.
The reason I ask is because of the 7% racial slurs. I play on four servers. One up here in Alberta, one in Seattle, one in Texas and on my clan server in the UK. Racial slurs are nearly unheard of up here, while you hear the occasional one in Seattle, and you can hardly go a game session in Texas without someone saying "nigger".
My clan is based out of Europe because we first got together playing Worms, where ping didn't matter. The first time one of my clanmates called me a "wanker" over voice chat, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.
Not as bad as you think. I play FFXI and WOW and swearing is not that big a deal. In order to play the games you need to belong to guilds, I have never belonged to a guild that allows profanity at least in my experience in the last two years. Matter of fact two players were kicked out of out guild for just that last night. Please note also both FFXI and WoW have profanity filters to block this but more importantly they both have user created blacklists, you can't play if no one will talk to you or even hear you as you run around proving your age with obscene rants. Both games self police and are doing a darn good job.
I remember playing Flying circus on Amiga, it was only 4 weeks ago.
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I'm not surprised at the amount of swearing this guy came across.
If some anal retentive dickwad was sitting at his PC typing up all the ingame chat swearwords into a bloody Excel spreadsheet when it was his turn to be guarding the flag from those fucking Redteam fuckbags, I'd swear at him too!
Look, I used to have lots of dumb ideas about parenting too - I probably still have a couple - but I try not to post them on slashdot.
Think about what you are saying: essentially, when you become a parent you become an infallible, unsleeping, globally omniscient being. Is that realistic? Did you never manage to fool your parents? Then you are hardly representative of the rest of the human race!
No American working parent can monitor any child (much less multiple children) 24 hours a day, because children are autonomous beings with their own self-generated objectives. If your friends think they know what their kids are doing at every moment, guess what? They are wrong.
Anyway, the way to deal with this kind of issue is not to seal your children in a skinner box and prevent them from having any experience of the grubby old world. Instead, make sure they understand what your values are, and actively demonstrate why those values are superior to those of some foul-mouthed knucklehead online that you don't want your child to emulate. How is centering your life around monitoring your child's every movement going to do that? Instead, take your kids to the damn zoo, where they can see the difference between (happy, well-spoken people with clean clothes and healthy diets) and (foul-mouthed, dirty street people being preyed upon by law enforcement) and make some intelligent "there but for fortune go I" comments.
A responsible parent (to use your own category) doesn't need orwellian monitoring to teach children. And teaching children how to live in the world is the only task a responsible parent should be focusing on - a parent's main job is to train the children to function optimally after the parent is gone!
Old argument. So old Penny-Arcade addressed it nearly 2 years go:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
Still cracks me up though.
I made a guy come over the poker table at me once. Best poker game of my life.
You must have had a good hand, eh?
Google Video of some kid arguing with his mom, while on Xbox live with a headset
Yeah, there are a lot of people who sware on online games such as Halo 2. If anyone ever annoys me by swearing too much, or being an idiot/annoying (whether talking to me or not) and I don't want to hear it, I just simply mute their voice. That way I can get on with the game without having to listen to it.
I wouldn't want to live world were people would pretend that adults don't swear.
But on the other hand, not sure would I'd like to live in world were now teen agers and to-be adults think swearing should be done anytime and anywhere. Games, school, publicly, anywhere.
I think swearing should be saved when there is need for it, not each and every fucking reason one any motherfucker wants to use it(you see?).
It otherwise loses it's appeal. Becoming just plain ugly and silly.
Good swearing needs patience, skill and imagination. There are lot of amateurs in swearing, unfortunately.
Nobody knows the trouble I've seen, nobody knows has the trouble seen me, even I sometimes wonder why I write these line
While it is certainly an interesting statistic I'm troubled by the author's statement which says something to the effect of "if anything this information should be used by parents to make an educated deciscion whether or not their child should play." He might claim neutrality all he wants but implicitly this suggests that it is reasonable that a parent try to keep their child away from swear words. A position I happen to disagree with.
I mean imagine if someone said, "I gathered data on the frequency of black people at school X. But I'm not suggesting black people should be kept out. If anything parents should use this information to determine if they want their kids to be in this enviornment or be home schooled." This would clearly be a way of saying, "I think it is reasonable to try and keep your kids away from black people." Similarly this comment here says it is reasonable to keep your kids away from swears.
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Is not that 14 year olds are swearing alot, it's that they're SO BAD AT IT.
I remember a Halo 2 match on Live! where every sentence out of some kids mouth involved 'your mom'. Absolutely no creativity! He didn't even try to add variety to his smacktalk. 20 minutes of that will drive anyone insane.
If you're going to be vulgar and rude, you better be entertaining in the process or I'll report your ass.
This is exactly why I stopped playing online games. I'm sick of joining a server and immediately getting pummeled with profanity and, in games that allow it (Half-Life), obscene sprays.
At least in my gaming experience, there always had been a bit of profanity around but for the most part the server admins kept it under control. Then CounterStrike became popular and the problem exploded. Noone seemed to care anymore, and it was a rare find to join a server with rules regarding profanity that were actually ENFORCED.
These days, I've become a hermit. I don't need to be called a faggot or a nigger every time I kill someone or capture the flag or whatever. That kind of treatment really ruins the fun and tends to make the games more aggravating than anything else. Whatever happened to good sportsmanship?
Love sees no species.
The little ones go online for some good, innocent shooting, maiming and killing each and they encounter... foul language. Surely this will be the end of Western civilization.
Tor
So you're an Abo eh?
I would be one eloquent motherfucker if those teamblocking cunts would stand clear sometime before 6 flashbangs land DIRECTLY INSIDE my retina. Jihad is a team effort, durka durka Mohammed.
Doesn't anyone else think that free speech includes the right to offend others? I bloody fucking do, as soon as we can't offend others then I'll be pissed off, mainly because offending others is what I do best.
Best experiences I've had on Live thus far...
All while playing different online poker games:
Person who didn't know headset wasn't muted (or that it even could) who reacted to the cards. You knew what he had every hand.
Idiot that also didn't mute the headset and carried on conversations with his wife, on his cellphone, etc.
The best one was the time I joined a game and it would pause on the same player everytime it was his turn, until it timed out and his hand folded automatically. After a couple of times, I noticed that the little icon noting that he was talking was flashing now and then, and that I'd left my headset volume down, so I turned it up. There was this odd noise that came through in unison with his flashing icon. Realized after a couple seconds that it was him... snoring! He'd fallen asleep while playing and was snoring into his unmuted headset.
- My favorite error message: xscreensaver, running on an old Sparc 5 w/ 8bit color: bsod: Couldn't allocate color Blue
I can't imagine where the kids get it from. I mean, it's not like they're exposed to it anywhere..........
Like for instance:
You bastards!! You killed Kenny! G** damnit Cartman! You fatass! You f****** Jew Kyle, give me your Jew gold!
My undergraduate degree was sort of an A-B-B-A psychology experiment with "A" being dorm years at an evangelical Lutheran college and "B" being dorm years at a state college. About every paragraph of dorm speech at the evangelical Lutheran school contained some variation on "cocksucker" or "cocksucking". Swearing on the dorm floor at the state college was amazingly infrequent in contrast.
I guess I'll never know which among several speculations would most likely account for the difference. But the evangelical school entered your room on Friday and Saturday nights unannounced, made you sign in and out overnight, didn't allow dancing during lent or drinking anytime, anywhere, closed the college for daily chapel and obviously didn't allow the genders to mix in the dorm rooms. At the state school, you could do pretty much anything that your dorm floor was cool with and it was experimenting with co-ed suites at a time that would correspond to the parents of most
Form your own conclusions.
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I love it! I just tried to post with everything capitalized and the post was refused because "All caps is like yelling". However if I were to have used every foul disgusting word (as many here have) known to mankind, now that would be fine!
Slashdot, you guys crack me up! If you had morals you'd be dangerous!!
Sexual: Sexual phrases which were not homosexual. Fuck was not included in this unless it was directed at a person i.e. your mom.
:-P
I'm always both scared and rolling on the floor laughing when two americans try to insult each other and they have reached the "your mom" phase of the fight. Laughing because the 'insults' are so bad, scared because of how upset the other side gets about it.
Cultural behaviour, always good for a laugh. Now when does Jerry Springer start again?
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You can't call a fraternity a frat... If you can't call a country a cunt.
The standing theory on this topic is referred to as John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. For those interested, you may see it here.
Please note, this was discovered by one of the authors of the penny arcade comic circa March, 2004.
I wouldn't consider the mad hatter mad. Just reality impaired. He sure can make a mean cup of tea.
Profanity is merely a crutch for inarticulate motherfuckers.
that is completely different. There's an issue if you want to keep your kid away from black people but there's no issue if you want to keep your kid away from racists. Honestly, your argument is ridiculous. Parents have a right to look after their kids. If they don't want them to play games in an environment where profanity is usual then fine. Hopefully then we will end up with less people who can't say a sentence without the word "fuck".
if you don't want your kids growing up with black people then you have some racial issues. Just because the same argument can be made about black people doesn't mean that the guy is being unreasonable about parents wanting to keep their kids away from cussing
being vague is almost as cool as doing that other thing...
Actually, I counted two links to that video, and I wasn't even looking properly
being vague is almost as cool as doing that other thing...
The most twisted moment I ever had in online chat on XBox live was hearing a guy strike his girlfriend for bitching at him while he played. I don't even remember what game it was (probably Halo 2) but the dude was talking to the team about something in the game then we heard some woman yelling in the background then he said "shut up, bitch!" and SMACK!
So the moral of the story is, always use the mute button when you beat your girl while voice chatting. The rest of your team will thank you for it.
(no pun intended)
If you're a kid from scotland (or australia, or ireland/northern irelan) then swearing is not only part of xbox live, it's part of everyday vocabulary. Seriously, it's not even "swearing" 90% of the time in certain contexts. If swearing is considered a problem then we should get our own section of the internet -- although god only knows what it would look like (www.somethingawful.com, perhaps?)
I remember on a Counterstrike server the word "jew" was banned from in-game chat. One player raised the question why the word for his heritage was banned.
I thought for a second(before I noticed the word "online") that this was going to be about swearing FROM the game. But those games are given an M rating anyway. I never have seen a game say the N word so many times than in GTA:SA.
Of course True Crime:NYC copies this to a bit when you first load the game. A rap song plays,and early in the lyric the N word is dropped, almost in a mandatory fashion.
If you want a subtle bit of social commentary, look again at GTA. Some of the friendly characters are talking, and the prospect of "Jeff"(the wannabe rapper) going to college comes up, and everyone laughs about it, like it was some sort of joke.
I just don't get all these objections to swearing in games, at all. IMHO, you are suppose to swear, and swear like a sailor, that's part of having a rip roaring good time.
I run into this on Battlefield 2 servers, where they all post prohibitions against swearing, which makes absolutely no sense. At all, period. People are killing other people, snipers are picking you off, your teammates are acting like retards, there's chaos and slaughter and its the nature of the game to swear. All is fair in love and war. In real warfare, you swear and you swear loud and dirty. You swear at your enemies, you swear at your son of a bitch commanders, you swear at your team, you swear at your comrades. Its part of the comaraderie. Its part of the fabric of war and competion.
Back in the day when we'd fire up a lanparty, and dive into the continual bloodbath that was Quake 2 and 3, or maybe a good viscious game of GTA2 (arguably the best multiplayer lan game to date), swearing was the communication in the game. When someone ran you down like a dog with a fast car, it was obligational to say with absolute score "fucker!" at your assailant, who thereby got a bit of smugness as a reward, and spurred you on to nail his ass back, and for him to be even more on the lookout for the insane stunt you were going to pull to even the score.
These pansy rules against swearing... well, quite frankly, are for pussies. Yeah, I can understand it maybe in a civil game of GO or Backgammon on Yahoo Games... but not in a violent death and kill oriented competitive game where testosterone and ego surge and flow like diesel through war vehicles.
More often then not it seems that these stories are written by 14-year-olds who just learned English for the first time.
Did Next Generation buy out the rights from that magazine that died several years ago or is it the same company back from the dead or what?
Does God treat us as servants or friends? Check my homepage.
Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
Obscenity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers.
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
...could probably come up with a few new swear words.
Once again, the Slashdot crowd misses the mark. You automatically assume that, if there were to be an issue with swearing online, it would be with parents. I'm a Gamestop clerk and I have a lot of customers who don't like XBox Live because they don't like listening to little bastards talk shit like they were Beavis and Butthead playing video games. No one likes to hear a shrilly prepubesant 14 year old talk like a sailor. A lot of my customers tell me that they only use their headsets when playing with friends. A lot of them just play SOCOM.
The childish profanity on XBox Live practically ruins the service. I would be all for some type of censorship on the PS3/Revolution networks because I'm not some freaky weirdo who doesn't understand the difference between government censorship and ToS. Let the Japanese slather us with their conservatism - if that's what it takes for people to act mature and respectful at least.
Does it really surprise anyone that kids actually swear? You can't blame this one on video games. I learned all my swear words when my parents argued when I was a child...
Kids learn how to swear through imitation, and they don't need video games in order to have a source to imitate. A lot of the time, children don't actually understand the meaning of the words they say -- that comes later. But the fact remains that children curse, many of them fluently and sometimes in more than one language, and children have cursed long before video games were invented.
In my house, video games were not allowed until I was about 13 or so. (Also, because of when I grew up, the games available when I was 13 consisted of things like Mario Bros. and Duck Hunt -- no real sources for curse words, there!) However, when I was about 7 years old and my little brother was about 4, my brother asked me what the words spraypainted on the park's jungle gym said. "Fuck!" I told him. He proceeded to repeat the word over and over again like a mantra for a couple of days... And the first word that he ever learned how to read was a curse.
Honestly, the only way to keep kids from swearing is not to swear around them at all. That's never going to happen.
Why are underage kids playing Halo 2, online or not? If parents think their kids are old enough (or mature enough) to play a game about shooting everything that moves... then they ought to feel that the little tykes are mature enough to hear some swearing. But... no. Violence is fine, but sex is taboo.
I don't think it's so much the profanity, but more the fact that its squeeeeked out in the scratchy trebles of a 13 year-old's soprano.
* Quits: crag-- (crag@202.154.72.136) (Dead girls dont say no) :p)
* Quits: KiM (KiM@134.115.157.196) (going for a walk
that is sick
we should ban him next time he comes in
yeah, who the hell goes for walks
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Swearing shows lack of the ability to speak intelligently and simply disrespect for those around you. It shows that at the beginning of your life your parents failed to instill in you the basics of respect for yourself most of all. No matter how much you argue for the use of swears the general public is still more apt to give credit to those that can express themselves without the use of foul language than those that use vulgarity in common speech.
Karma: a simple way of silencing those with unpopular views regardless how correct or just that view might be.
Pretty much every online game has the line "Game experience may change during online play", usually at the bottom left corner of game's main menu screen. Game makers have to do this to protect themselves from getting into trouble because some kid uses inapropriate language, racial, sexual or other discriminatory remark.
Swearing, like many "vices" will likely diminish in frequency and severity once society stops glorifying it as a taboo.
It won't go away, but it will likely become less prevalent.
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Back when I was young and naive (ie: barely legal age) I visited my brother who had just moved to Montreal. We both came from Winnipeg originally, which to you Americans is roughly equivalent to Kansas in lewdness. Montreal is like Vegas, with fewer laws.
So one night we're wandering around the downtown rather inebriated at 2am, checking out the scenery, that sort of thing - the usual thing to do in a city that never sleeps. We see a few racy places, look like more than just the average strip club, etc. One place has "peep shows!!!" in neon. Here I am thinking of peep shows from the 1920s, where a dancer was behind a curtain or something. Remember, alcohol + brain == slow thinking. We go in, and the sign points into the basement. In the basement are rows and rows of these small booths (probably a hundred in total). Being in the mental state I was in, I figure what the hell, you only live once. So I go in one, and it's got a small bench in it. I sit down and close the door, and there's a TV screen on the door with a coinbox next to it. Thankfully my arcade training still worked, so I immediately popped in a quarter.
Well.
Suddenly some of the raunchiest porn I've seen (then or since) shows up on the screen. Now, normally I'd catch on, but in my mental state it took a good 30 seconds to realize just what this was. When I did, I jumped up and almost ran out of the booth. My brother had gone into a neighbouring one and figured it out at the same time, and we nearly collided in the hallway. Nervous laugh, and we start to leave the place.
On the way out, we notice a guy sitting on a stool at the bottom of the stairs. He's just sitting there, watching the booths. In his hands is a huge, filthy-looking rag.
THAT, my friend, is a job you do not want.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
it's just words. The context is more important. If someone says, "man, your wife makes fucking awesome [x food]" then I'd take it as a compliment. But if someone says "Fuck you to hell you nigger-fucking jewbag" I'd be offended by the verbal lobotomy I'd just received. I'd expect any game (gone to a little league game recently and sat next to the parents?) to have its share of high emotions and tolerances for behaviour, but the leap from "Suck it Reds! Eat this, bitch!" to the complete lack of non-hate/swearwords is a big one.
Really, the hate words are the biggy. Red vs. Blue is about the most cussing I'd ever do, but hate words and racial slurs are too much. Unless there is comedy involved with people that I know are cool with it. For example, I hang out with a ethnically mixed bunch of guys and we occasionally make fun of stereotypes in an overblown way, and everyone is equally bashed, and no one gets worked up about it.
The worst is when communication ceases and it vecomes just logorrhea which is a plague upon the web.
The 'Net is a waste of time, and that's exactly what's right about it. - William Gibson
The best "censorship" of a movie on TBS I ever heard was Samuel Jackson telling Bruce Willis that he was a "racist white mellonfarmer".
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Man, my favorite part about chatting in games is talking smack.
"A good compromise leaves everyone mad." -Calvin
Is it just me...or did anyone else notice that the article writer made it a point to make the "Homosexual" slice of the pie chart PINK? *heh*
1 is the square root of all evil.
Is fucking stupid
-Polyhead-
POINT!...The point Josh was making in his too clinical of a 'study', which in time we see is a needed thing, is first the parenting of kids under 17, their complete obnoxiousness and the less trouble there would be on Xbox LIve and the internet as a whole.
I've been on XBL since day one, and there are all kinds of arseholes on there. Most people aer cool, but generally, I'd say in my 3000+ hours on live(i know, pathetic) most 'children' on there are rude, obnoxious, spoiled little brats who have no respect for their elders, let alone their parents who buy them 17+ and mature games and then let themm play on live with no boundarys. The fact that these kids are obnoxious is about half the story, the other part is, why should I have to watch myself around kids whn they LEGALLY shouldnt be playing these games?! I shouldn't. I dont want to play with them, i dont want to have to watch my language around my friends, and I dont need them interferring in fun, crazy, or jsut regular 'adult' conversations.
Now, lets turn this to the internet. There is a huge movement to rid predators off of the internet and thats great, but lets ask ourselves, why have they come to be so prominent? answer, too many little kids in places they shouldnt be, like yahoo chat rooms and such, possibly looking for sex themselves, or kidding around and why?! how? NO PARENTING!!! So, because there are some very stupid people, some very bad parents, there are laws and such made because stupid people fuck it up for the rest of us. There needs to be a law against stupid people and let the rest of us go about our daily business without worrying about harming the 'sensibilities' of others who find things offensive or have no parenting skills and let their children roam wild on the net and live games. I belieeeve now that since parents have failed in doing what they should to raise their children, that there needs to be a under 17+ internet and keep them in their place and keep out predators away from them. Stupid People=Stupid Rules. thanx for bearing with me, not much of a poster, more of a lyricist so my grammer is lacking.
peace
One should not be surprised by the dimwitness of XboxLive Users.
Anybody using anything by Microsoft for entertainment is either immoral or dimwited or both.
Entertainment is not compulsory, so it is volontarily that somebody decides to get "amused" by the most dangerous corporation around, and the most lickely to use any possible method to take all their: money, freedoms and privacy away.
Swearing is part of everyday life at work or socialising. Why should it be any different online?
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No swearing in these games!
This was really funny! ...
I know If I ever told any of my parents a fraction of what this kid told his mom, I would probably be dead by now
I agree , probably in real life, If I were in a shoot out with the enemy, I cussing would be the last thing to pass my mind.
I knew most of the curse words, and the meaning to the majority of them, at least by the time I was 10. My friends and I CONSTANTLY used them when there wasn't an adult around, or said them quietly enough if they where a few rooms away. You know what? My familly did get a computer with internet access untill I was 11, and I didn't play a game online till I was 12!
Last time I played Halo2 online, this is the sort of language I had to put up with :
.. WARMINT What in tarnations name do ya think ya is doing thar ?"
... mind you, I was coming down from a big night out, still buzzing on E's. i had never appreciated the delicate textures of the controller so much, and the colours and sounds appeared to be extra vivid. Running around sharing danger with my online comrades, I suddenly understood the warm bond that we all shared - friends and enemies alike, and how killing those that we loved and shared these experiences with was an expression of the evolving cycle of all the emotions that we ever feel. errr ... yeah.
"Golly goodness, ive been HIT"
"Take THAT, big-ears"
"Achtung Kamaraden, die Englander schweinhund sind geradeaus"
"That gosh darned cad is hiding behind the rock, tally ho boys, lets nab the blighter"
"You cotton picking, lilly livered, mutton chomping, raw hiding, duck billed
"Mee how chong fa - xiang xiang we liang XA !!!"
"Yob tovjemat, ney krasnije zoicheck moi"
Fuck me! I was goddam shocked by this study. These sons-a-bitches are cursing in on-line games? Bastards. We need to do something about these cocksuckers. We can't have these assholes ruining on-line experiences with cursing and profanity. This shit has got to stop.
The lessons of history teach us - if they teach us anything - that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us.
Fuck fuck shit. Shit damn crap fuck shit. Fuck shit, shit fuck crap damn. Damn fuck fuck shit fuck. So in conclusion, fuck shit damn fuck.
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This is the coolest graph ever.
That's bullshit.
"What's the big fucking deal bitch? It doesn't hurt anybody. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck."
I mean what is anyone expected to do about it? Filter every instance of Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits, and you just have people typing in a spammier manner than before. You get Sh1t, P1ss, Fu(k, etc., and the only people who get filtered are those who are either unaware of the filters or don't realize they're swearing. You also get collateral damage, such as references to **** Cheney, or ****tail waitresses. It's fucking stupid.
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
Did anyone else notice that TFA had no mention of how many times someone said Bob Saget? I would have liked to see where that weighed in.
Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
They have your rated at "Informative" when the use of the fuck word makes you Funny and Insightful at the same time.
Get your Unix fortune now!
I don't think there is any point but its still funny.
'A priest is walking along a beach one day & meets a fisherman who is about to go out fishing. They get to talking & the fisherman invites him out on his boat. After a while the fisherman reels in this huge fish & says, 'wow! look at that great Fucker!'.
The priest is somewhat taken back, 'please sir, you really shouldnt' use such language in the presence of a man of the cloth.'
The fisherman says, 'oh I'm sorry father, this type of fish is called a Fucker. That is the name of this sort of fish.'
To which the priest replies, 'oh well that is different then. And in that case, I agree that yes it is indeed a very fine Fucker.'
They continue fishing & at the end of the day the fisherman gives the priest the Fucker to take with him.
Upon returning back to the monastary, the priest encounters the Bishops & says to him, 'Look at this excellent Fucker that the fisherman gave me.'
The Bishop chatises the priest for using such language and priest has to explain, "It's not like that Bishop, this type of fish is called a Fucker, that is the type of fish that it is."
"Oh", says the Bishop. "In that case it is a fine Fucker. We should take this to one of the nuns in the kitchens to have her cook this Fucker."
So they go down to kitchens & find the head nun and the Bishop tells her "The priest met a fisherman who gave him this fine Fucker & we would like you to cook the Fucker for us."
Seeing the confusion & embarassment on the face of the nun the Bishop explains, "Oh I'm sorry, this type of fish is called a Fucker. That is the sort of fish that it is."
Somewhat releived, the nun says "I would only be too happy to cook that Fucker then."
So the nun cooks the Fucker, and that Fucker comes out really nice. It is indeed a well cooked Fucker. So the three of them agree that they should take it to the Pope, because the Pope likes fish.
So they go to the Pope's Office & he asks them what they want. So the nun tells the story of how the priest went fishing with the fisherman & they could this great Fucker, and when the Bishop was shown the Fucker he though that one of the nuns should cook the Fucker and so they gave it to her & she did cook the Fucker and it came out so well that they thought that he, being the Pope, might like to try this well cooker Fucker.
The Pope looks at each of them in turn very suspiciously... then laughs, pulls out a bottle of bourbon & a joint & says "yeah I thought you cunts were alright!"'
I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
In SOCOM they filter words like "briefcase", "english", "kfc", "girls", and "eggplant".
The best one is they filter the word "escort". The reason why that is funny is because that is one of the game modes where you escort VIP's to some destination. So when you type "You can't beat me at escort!" it displays "You can't beat me at ******!", which leaves what you said to the imagination.
perhaps the author, and so many others out there should learn the difference between, and the proper use of the words "Then" and "Than". It should be pretty simple...IF/THEN or MORE THAN...
Considering the game, Halo 2, this is about what I'd expect in the worst possible gaming environment (First Person Shooter). Those numbers per hour are not bad. Everytime someone dies their is a good chance of an F bomb in an FPS. FPS represents some of the most heated online gaming, so it's going to yield some of the most heated comments. About 1 racial comment per hour surprises me actually, that's not bad at all considering. I'd love to see these same breakdowns for at least two other game types, traditional sports games, racing, and then something like a basic Xbox Live Arcade game (should represent the most tame language). I'm dreaming now, but if we could have breakdown of language per zone (Underground, Pro, Recreation) would be very interesting also. Good idea for an article, would have loved more meat.