Slashdot Mirror
PlayStation 3 Delay Official
An anonymous reader writes "It's official! PS3 has been delayed until November in Japan. Apparently, it's because of copy protection technology issues associated with Blu-ray." From the article: "Today, Sony officially conceded defeat to the recent flurry of rumors and speculation, with Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun reporting the machine has been pushed back until November. There aren't many details out right now, but Sony says issues over the finalization of copy protection technology related to their Blu-ray disc drive is the cause of the delay. As the news is coming out of Japan, that creates a worrisome scenario for America and Europe."
hollah http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/06/ 123258
If it's November for Japan, and they don't do the same launch date worldwide, could the Revolution be out before it? Isn't it supposed to be a worldwide release around that time?
Maybe somebody with a better memory could put out some dates they've seen.
You have to wonder if it is realy worth it..
all they are doing is waiting to precect the way they can screw their customers, and making them wait for it.
i realy hope no one buys a PS3, something needs to teach them a lessson
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
I was sooo looking forward to getting copy protection sooner than that.
[Insert pithy quote here]
I hope they pay the price for their copy protection scheme. They're most likely going to miss Christmas in the US where presumably Nintendo will have a new console and Microsoft will have a fully stocked lineup of 360s ready to roll.
After all, isn't never launching the console really the best copy protection of all? This ultimate protection of Sony copyright will certainly be a gold mine!
Dewey, you fool! Your decimal system has played right into my hands!
"newspaper Nihon Keizai Shinbun"
turns into
"newspaper Japan Business Newspaper"
Shouldn't this story be from the department-of-redundancy-department?
If you're talking about a foreign source, integrate it properly or translate!
Oh, there's a big surprise. That's an incredible... I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die, from that surprise.
How could anyone have predicted this turn of events!?
Rob
I felt a great disturbance in the game community, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
My sausage tree didn't grow, does that make me a bad mommy?
I'll be honest, I'm not one for bandwagons, but I'm starting to get genuinely scared enough by all this SONY/DRM talk. If the delays are truly because they can't figure out a way to keep their media from becoming copied, or somesuch, then we're really in trouble. I was going to wait for a price war for getting either an 360 or PS3, and now the answer is clear. While 360 has its share of problems, to be sure, I'm definitely not waiting around for a DRM/copy-protection scheme that is half-baked, so Sony can make their delayed launch date, including all sorts of potential privacy problems.
I used to consider all y'all who said SONY="privacy killa" luddites and conspiracy theorists... now I'm not so sure. PS3 just moved from "definitely an option" to "needs a killer-app to even consider".
When the ps2 launched in November there was a shittun of info and games shown to the public (not random tech videos) in March of that year. The ps3 has almost nadda, i have gut feeling sony is just putting the blame on the blu-ray but i have a gut feeling they're having trouble in more places then one.
Hmmm... Pie...
This delay may afford Nintendo some ground to get a head start, but if the PS3 will be the killer machine Sony is "making" it out to be, it won't matter.
On the other hand, it could be a good thing, supposedly allowing Sony time to refine their console, unlike the 360.
Is that redundant? No, because The Daily News is the name of the newspaper. I don't know if this is the case here, but I suspect you're just being pedantic. Like me. Yay!
You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .
Microsoft must be clapping with glee over the delay of the PS3. I don't think it will make much difference though unless they get their shit together and start actually making enough 360s. It's my opinion the shortage situation has really hurt sales of the 360. There was a while there where it seemed supply had picked up as my local Best Buy looked to be getting a few a week. After humming and hawing I decided to get one and I've been trying to find one for about two weeks now. I've just given up for the time being. Maybe it's better to wait as Microsoft is sure to drop the price eventually, perhaps when the PS3 is actually released.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/06/ 123258
Don't you just hate it when people reply to your signature?
The first is that of a huge, monolith corporation stumbling under its own weight. I think a fair comparison would be a giant Hydra where all heads have to be happy in order to take one step forward. Of course, many Slashdotter-types have seen this coming, the time when the corporations comprising the media cartels will be driven to paralysis by issues like DRM, and this is only the beginning.
The other is the disruptive force of Microsoft on the gaming industry. When I say "disruptive", I mean it neutrally (although my opinions on MS and gaming are definitely not neutral). MS decided to release a year (or three) early, and it's forced Nintendo and Sony to scramble a bit. Unfortunately for Sony, these two issues have compounded in a way that has the possibility of being not so good for their gaming business.
On the other hand, the PS2 had lots of problems launching. Limited stock, few games (especially in Japan). The problems I raise here will definitely affect Sony, but I think it's still too early to guage how much.
Isn't the copy protection in blu-ray (just like in hd-dvd) upgradeable? So why does the copy protection need to be done before launch? They could patch it later. This smells to me like there's some other, real reason for the delay, and they're just using the copy protection as a cover, an excuse.
Oh well. At least this way there will be some actual games ready by the time the PS3 itself is done, and maybe they'll even have the time to make enough units to meet demand. We won't see a repeat of the XBox 360 launch.
To get blu-ray approved as the (or a) next home media for hdtv Sony will need the blessings of more movie studio's then their own. If it was a simple matter of their own games or movies then it wouldn't be much of an issue. They'd easily push the system out.
Hmmm... Pie...
The only real upshot to this is that all PS3 games will essentially get a few more months of dev time to polish their titles, which may result in an unusually strong launch lineup.
The downsides to this are numerous, though. Many people may discount Nintendo, but even with their declined marketshare, Nintendo is not the sort of company you want to give a chance to play catchup in any sort of way. This will also give Microsoft a bit more rope. Whether Microsoft uses that extra rope to hang its self or to help build some momentem for the 360 is another question entirely.
Another problem is that the PS2 is already in decline, due to hype over the next generation of consoles. I am damn sure that while Sony would love to wring every last penny from that cash cow, that they dont want to let their best available retail offering to be the underdog against the 360 or Revolution for very long.
Between a handfull of articles about a bunch of weak 'me too' potential features for the PS3, and the way that Nintendo is steadily edging out the PSP due to the PSP not having any high profile killer apps, Sony is looking alot weaker right now then I would have expected. And if history has proven anything in the game industry, even giants can fall.
END COMMUNICATION
BUT WAIT! There's more! Tune in tomorrow and you'll get your very own Rootkit delivered directly to your computer to make sure you don't illegally copy, share, or crack any information provided during the SPS3HM© presentation! ACT NOW!
-Nis
The good news is...Bungie will have more time to get Halo 3 ready. I was very disappointed with the single user mission in Halo 2, and it's too damn easy for cheaters in the Live maps. So thank goodness it won't be as rushed as 2 was...or at least it seemed to be based on the weekly updates at Bungie's web site.
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
Does this mean I have to wait even longer for Halo 3?
It's kind of funny that they are blaming the delay in part on the DRM. If that's all it was then they might have launched with something provisional and then do a firmware upgrade later. Of course I know nothing of BluRay DRM, so just take that as talking out of my butt. Of more interest now are a couple of questions.
1. Will they launch first in Japan or the U.S.?
2. Will they miss Christmas in the U.S.?
In the seemingly unlikely case that they go with a U.S. launch first, a couple of things could be noted. It could mean that Sony really _is_ worried about the Xbox 360 getting too far ahead in the U.S.. To add some more pain to this though is the prospect of a Nintendo launch in the U.S. in the same time frame. Even if Sony isn't worried about falling behind the 360, Nintendo is another matter.
As for missing Christmas in the U.S., that's a real danger. But again, hard to gauge. The 3rd parties would definitely be pissed along with retailers. But Sony still has a strong brand, and let's face it, the PS3 is likely to sell well whenever it is released. So maybe they should just calm down and formulate a sane launch plan that releases the new console when it and its games are ready to go. I think we've all seen enough crap get released too early to meet generally artificial deadlines. And heck, doesn't Mr. Gates deserve a little happiness occasionally too?
To the making of books there is no end, so let's get started
There's no official concrete date on that one where as this gives the month in which Sony will release in Japan.
Hmmm... Pie...
1. Will they launch first in Japan or the U.S.?
2. Will they miss Christmas in the U.S.?
Hmm. If I were them, I'd have a Wise and Cunning Plan to release after Sony releases the PS3 (which is probably October at the latest), let the bloom die a bit off the rose, and then release in the US on November 1, enough time before Christmas but able to avoid the "oh, yeah, Nintendo announced today as well, but let's just talk about Sony's new PS3".
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
If you will read the article, you will see the copy protection they're talking about is for the movies, not the games.
If you intend to buy your PS3 as a video game system and not a blu-ray movie player, this doesn't effect you except for the longer wait.
Maybe by the time the PS3 comes out it'll be the next-next-gen Console. They've had an extra year to work on it, so if it's not way better than the xbox360, they failed. They can't come out with a system that's just as good as the 360 when they've had so much more time to work on it. I think the biggest selling point of the ps3 is their exclusive games, such as GTA and Final Fantasy (although FFXI is coming out for xbox360).
One of the selling features for me was backwards compatibility. I figured that even though there are only two games out right now that I want, Call of Duty and Gotham Racing, the current list of backwards compatible titles covers pretty much all of my existing Xbox library. There have to be a lot of current Xbox owners chomping at the bit to get the 360 knowing they could ride out a dry spell of new games with existing games.
Just a note for those of you that thought that backwards compatibility wouldn't be a big deal.
A lot of people are jumping to conclusions, but what's to say they're not delaying to make the copy protection scheme less intrusive and more practical for end users?
When Sony just recently denied any delay, were they lying or just clueless?
If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
But I've been waiting for a good 18 months for next gen (own GCN,PSP and PS2 from past gen and much farther back before than that... and favourite is GCN - go figure) and this weekend I gave up and went XB360. With GWAR it's pretty hot, throw in XBOX live with Marble Blast Ultra and Gauntlet.... I am in a place now where I might not bother with PS3 (I sooooo WILL buy the Revolution though even if it comes out with Duck Hunt with nothing else for two years)..Sony? Go fuck yourselves. The PSP should be great but sucks.
"Sony Computer Entertainment will delay the release of its PlayStation 3 next-generation video game console until early November because the copy-protection technology for the Blu-ray Disc has not been finalized," reported the paper. No specific regions were mentioned, making it unclear if the delay was for the Japanese PS3 or a worldwide release.
While authoritative in tone, it must be emphasized that the Nihon Keizai Shimbun report is in no way official. Though Sony's last-minute decision to change tomorrow's event from a closed-door presentation to a full-fledged press conference augurs a major announcement, Sony is staying mum. When contacted by GameSpot, a Sony Computer Entertainment America rep declined comment, saying "we have not made any new announcements on PlayStation 3."
Report: PS3 delayed until November
Chicken fried butter sticks? Do
When does everyone buy stuff? Especially console game systems, whose market is primarily (though not entirely) those too young to effectively purchase it without outside (parental) fiscal support?
That's right. It's not that confusing. They're delaying to ride the wave that is Christmas. That's when they'll sell the most units, might as well use the time between to tweak the system.
You can get 15 minutes of fame, but you can go down in history for infamy.
From the rumors that have been floating around, they're trying to make it All Things to All People, which is the surest way to please few of them.
I've been saying here since early January that we wouldn't see the PS3 officially launched in the States until March of 2007 at the earliest. (and to the AC who called me a 'good liddle fanboy', thpppt!)
It's now March of 2006. They do not yet have, to my knowledge, working hardware for the video game end of things. They don't have working Blu-Ray drives, and in fact the specs there are changing. (latest news: no degradation on analog HDTV sets, which is good.) They don't seem to have decided on a final feature set. I think a November launch might still be possible, but it's gonna take a lot of overtime by a LOT of people. And they'll have to decide on their final feature set _right now_ and push like hell to make it happen.
Sony seems to be in defensive mode, beset by rivals. It doesn't feel like they have a unified vision of what the PS3 should be. Rather, at least if you can believe the zeitgeist of the rumor sites, they seem to be in defensive mode, where they claim they'll do everything that all the other consoles do, better. That's not gonna happen. They don't have the time or the manpower to make it happen. If they keep trying, the PS3 is going to be the Duke Nukem Forever of consoles... because the 360 and Revolution will be moving targets. Now that Microsoft has hardware on the ground, new features are just a matter of writing code. If there's one company on the planet who's got expertise in doing that, it's Microsoft.
At this point, I'm not sure that the PS3 will make November. Whenever it does ship, it will be monumentally expensive, but the wealthy Japanese consumers will buy it in droves anyway; it will be successful in Japan. When they ship it in the US, they're not going to be willing to take the enormous financial hit it would take to sell it at $400; they're going to be priced higher than that, maybe a lot higher.
Now, this part gets _really_ speculative. They saw the EBay market for the 360 (many 360s sold at $800+), so I bet they're going to try a very expensive US introduction. And, paradoxically, I think it will be completely rejected as 'too expensive' by the American consumer, even though the _exact same people_ would turn around and spend $800 for one on EBay. It's okay, you see, for the Average Joe to be rapacious and greedy, but when corporations do it, it's "wrong". And I'm not sure Sony will get that.
Even if they're smart and take the financial hit of introducing at $400, I still think they're likely to end up in third place, this time around. The 360 is really solid; it's an excellent machine and they're doing lots of interesting stuff with it. And the Revolution is _really_ interesting; Nintendo is focused on doing stuff that's fun.
This time around, Microsoft shipped a Mustang. It's big, loud, and powerful. Sony is going to ship a Porsche; quieter, a little faster, more expensive. (if they choose to eat the extra cost, that would make it a great deal for the consumer.) Nintendo is going to ship a Miata. They don't win drag-races, but Miatas are cheap and fun to drive.
Overall, I suspect Nintendo has a good chance of being the big winner this time around. They'll do well in all markets. I suspect the 360 will place a solid (and profitable) second.. they'll do really well in the US and Europe, but will be lucky to sell 25 consoles in Japan. Sony will do well in Japan, simply from a combination of brand- and country-loyalty, but I now suspect they'll do a huge faceplant in the US and Europe.
The link you give is to an entirely different article. That article is about a Howard Stinger interview from several weeks ago. This article is about an article written in a Japanese newspaper this morning.
Moreover, the "dupe" you give is wrong. The article slashdot posts there claims the announcement is "official", but the "official announcement" there is nothing but a misquote. The article took a quote from Variety Magazine saying the PS3 would be out "before the holidays", attributed Variety's commentary to Howard Stinger, and made it sound like PS3 would not be out until "the holidays".
This honestly makes me a little suspicious about this article (today's article, the new article you think for some reason is a dupe), to be honest. We've already had one case where Variety implied a November release for the PS3, a video game blog misquoted it as a Sony statement, and Slashdot reprinted the misquote as an "official" announcement. What if we have a case now where a Japanese newspaper implied a November release for the PS3, a video game blog misquoted it as a Sony statement, and Slashdot reprinted the misquote as an "official" announcement? Can we get a corroborating source besides just 1UP, or an actual quote from Sony about this somehow?
watching the sony PS3 unroll like a slow car crash infront of them? I'm sincerely puzzled as to what the frack Sony think they are up to, are they actually made!?
Promote Charity on Myspace, Show Your Colours!
In other news, Microsoft announced today that it was dismayed at the delay in the launch of the PS3. A spokesman was quoted as saying "Come on Sony, get your act together! Gamers are waiting for Halo 3, and we're not going to sit on this thing forever!"
--------
Nothing can be done before the tremendous power!
RabidComics
>> How could anyone have predicted this turn of events!?
You're right, it wasn't hard to see this coming. Even I predicted it, despite having a rather cloudy crystal ball, so it must have been pretty obvious.
What we're seeing here is the PS3's technological success being killed off by Sony's new overlords --- the lawyers waving the mighty banner of the company's new religion, content protection.
Whether the PS3 will still succeed despite Xbox 360 and maybe the Revolution getting a competition-free run for one or two years is anybody's guess (this won't be the last postponement). But it's sad, anyway.
In 1-1/2 year's time, MS will have Xbox 360/2 in the wings, upgraded to PS3's spec or beyond. What then of your solidly content-protected platform, Sony lawyers?
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
There's all sorts of mixed news about that with various people claiming to be/know/work for/sleep with the developers. If you believe the rosy stories, that they have final dev hardware and have had it for awhile then yep, nothing but a better lineup. However if you believe the horror stories, the copy protection thing might just be a smoke screen as the real problem is the devs are still playing with earily, problematic dev kits and have nothing to really test their games on for release. In that case the delay just means the games will ahve a chance to be READY, not better.
Personally I've decided to just say "fuck it" as to PS3 predictions. Well know what it when it comes out, and we'll know when it comes out when we see it in stores. At this point there's a shitload of speculation, misinformation, and so on, and Sony has said very little of substance in an offical capacity.
They don't have working Blu-Ray drives, and in fact the specs there are changing. (latest news: no degradation on analog HDTV sets, which is good
Actually, my understanding is that the drives will still include the ability to degrade resolution with analog output--Sony is just promising that in the interests of promoting the format they won't set the flag to activate this feature in their own movies...at least, not right away. Once Blu-Ray wins out over HD-DVD, of course, all bets are off.
The first good reason to hope for a long, long format war....
PS3 is being drowned in the boat anchors of DRM and Bluray.
. html
http://kamalot.blogspot.com/2006/03/sonys-ps3-ark
And with Playstation division being the only division of Sony making any money, all of Sony is looking at using the PS3 to be their "Noah's Ark"; to save them from the flood.
Will it float?
Seriously, these are the people that stuck the most invasive DRM ever on a CD and then basically did everything they could to avoid actually removing it and apologising.
This is, by the way, noly the latest ina line of shit like this (see the fiasco with HiMD and proprietary formats if you are interested). From Sony I now always expect the worst DRM wise.
The good news:
The "Image Constraint Token" (downsampling of HD content for analog outputs) is more or less dead.
You won't see it invoked in the initial HD releases from SONY, Disney, Fox or Paramount. Warner may be the only significant hold-out. Not that 960x540 is half-bad:
Sony, Others Won't Degrade HD Content on Analog Outputs
Disney to release movies on HD DVD The worst possible news for the Blu-Ray camp and something that will put enormous pressure on Time-Warner.
AACS will survive in some form. But it is beginning to look like Microsof's iHD and HD-DVD are the real winners here.
After they found out they were not allowed to use rootkits for copy protection it was back to the drawing board.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
I don't believe the console is really all that far behind schedule. Well at least not from Sony's internal point of view. I've always assumed that this was going to happen. The whole 2006 target was simply a marketing ploy to divert attention from the 360 and encourage customers to wait it out. I believe they did the exact same thing for the ps2 launch, with the same bullshit tech videos etc, for the exact same reason. The sad part is how many people don't see it for what it is... sort of like the liberation of Iraq ;).
It's not surprising that Howard Stringer, a guy who came from the media business, is in charge of Sony corporate. Their movement towards the content side dictating the direction of the company has caused the company to suffer - from DRM in their MP3 walkman, to the rootkit, and now to the PS3. It's too bad that such a great technology company that continually innovates is hindered by their more profitable content division. Too bad they don't realize *why* their electronics division is *less* profitable.
Who have finished product for the PS3 sat on a shelf for months waiting for working copy rpotection and a launch of a console sometime in the future, will certainly discourage people from developing for a console that will effectivly cost them money.
Copy protection is the same system on HD-DVD and Blu Ray. Both of which are supposed to ship real soon now. Certainly long before november. So this doesn't wash as an excuse for me.
Then again this seems far from official.
If it were true. But hey, 1up doesn't mind the fanatic traffic.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145919.html
While authoritative in tone, it must be emphasized that the Nihon Keizai Shimbun report is in no way official. Though Sony's last-minute decision to change tomorrow's event from a closed-door presentation to a full-fledged press conference augurs a major announcement, Sony is staying mum. When contacted by GameSpot, a Sony Computer Entertainment America rep declined comment, saying "we have not made any new announcements on PlayStation 3."
Thanks CNet, at least you try to be objective.
Here I am reading a pack of responses blasting the evil SONY and praising Microsofts 360?
*dons robs and raises sign* THE END IS NEAR, REPENT!
Horns are really just a broken halo.
Heck, even if you're sick of the same old game box, you can always run Linux on the darn thing and use it for other purposes. The way I see it, these game system makers are just taking advantage of the fact that people always want to have the newest box.
all they are doing is waiting to precect the way they can screw their customers, and making them wait for it
Sony is now officially admitting that they will miss the Christmas season completely--even in Japan (if your shipments haven't reached retail customers by the end of October you have "missed Christmas"). No manufacturer in their right mind would voluntarily miss Christmas with a new product--especially in North America. If it involved a company's flagship product, it would mean certain death for that company. The PS3 is not "the" flagship product for Sony but it'll still be a huge setback.
Big, established companies don't need to wait to "predict the way they they can screw their customers" because they already know how. The best time to release a new, overhyped product is in the fall: You must get the first shipments out the factory door by the end of October so they can be on US store shelves in time for Thanksgiving long weekend. It helps to take pre-orders and manufacture jsut enough to fill those orders, plus a few more: you need to get enough units out to establish a market position but create enough of a shortage so that you can keep prices elevated (and in the videogame console market that often means minimise losses).
Don't worry, Sony will learn its lesson...it's missing Christmas this year..that means MS will enjoy another solid XBox360 Christmas without serios Sony competition. It also means that Nintendo could debut its Revolution without competition from Sony as well. All in all it means 2007 will likely be a real hurtin' year for Sony.
not a single PS3 game has been pirated yet
Is that so? How many PS3 launch titles are mostly-direct ports of PC games that have incidentally wound up on The Pirate Bay?
It's all our fault!
One might ask the same about birds. What ARE birds? We just don't know.
Not to mention that the latest dev-kits dont have sound devices or final versions of the RSX... But I'm sure it was the blu-ray and the copy protection that all of us developers have been griping about...
1. Sony better rethink their stand on DRM.
2. Excellent game line up at launch.
3. Nintendo Revolution isn't all its supposed to be.
That is the only way for Sony to save the PS3 initially. At this point none of the next-gen consoles are anything too special (aside from revolutions legacy game support.)
360...alright its kinda a cool idea to integrate Live into everything but really, where else are they gonna go with that? It can't play my iTunes music, or my DivX videos and if I really want to listen to music the TV still isn't my #1 choice. Also it needs games, Perfect Dark was supposed to be the "killer app" when it launched. The gameplay wasn't all that good and the graphics left wayy too much to be desired. "OMG they are taking over the building, sneak in and kill them all..." where have I seen that before? Need for Speed: Most Wanted, probably the best one out right now as far as graphics and gameplya goes. But again, where is the "killer app" Anyone remember NFS 3: Hot Pursuit. yeah same thing. What about the kid who wants to play their xbox games on the 360? "No sorry, you can't play THAT game yet." Did they really save anything more then $5 in emulating all the xbox games?
Revolution...to me, the best of the 3. It's unique, small, not all that flashy, and will look good on a shelf. Why is it good? GAMEPLAY! I can guarantee i'll pick one up just to be able to play Super Smash Bros. and Goldeneye64 without getting up. Already better games then the 360 has to offer. The remote style controller will be a change for everyone, but I guess I did say it was unique right? Having compatibility with all old games was the best thing Nintendo could do for the Revolution. Once and a while I get sick of playing games that look pretty (believe it or not) and I want to play a game that has game play (go figure.) They got that covered. "But you can't play your games in HD with the Revolution!" Simply. So what? I don't have an extra $3000 to buy a HDTV. And if I did I would still be quite content with the normal resolution. HD isn't everywhere, and to really get the "big picture" you need a HD-upconverting DVD player, a fairly nice sound system, and HD satellite or cable.
Sony PS3...Where to start. Delayed, expensive, over-hyped, over-protected, and communist. (Ok not communist, but it will govern the way you use your games.) Using the Blu-Ray drive won't gain them any ground over the competitors. 360 can play HD-DVD, PS3 can play Bue-Ray. Ok, to consumers having the words DVD in their DVD type disk will make them feel more comfortable. If I tell my fairly computer litterate uncle that i'm getting a Blu-Ray player he wouldn't instantly understand (WTF is a Blu-Ray?) But if I say i'm getttin an HD-DVD player even my grandparents would understand that. Copy protection, look at Sony's track record. Huge supporter of DRM, and remember the CD's they released with rootkits that installed when you put the cd in your computer? They need to rething their stand on issues like that. I can almost guarantee any /.er is going to be a little more weary when they can't make a back up of their PS3 games becuase they have little kids or animals, (I have a little sister and a scottish terrior, and they both attack anything shiny!)
Well that was just my $.02 ...ok maybe a little more lol. BE GOOD CONSUMERS! If you buy it its yours right? Not according to Sony, only the plastic it is on is yours. Keep that in mind.
Not that 960x540 is half-bad:
A motion picture DVD on a progressive scan player is already 720x480 at 24fps or 720x576 at 25fps depending on TV system. Compared to DVD, 960x540 at movie frame rates is only 50% better than NTSC DVD and 25% better than PAL DVD. Is that so noticeable? Based on specs alone, it looks more like the difference between composite and S-video than the night and day that is progressive-scan DVD vs. HDTV.
On the other hand, "Nihon Keizai Shinbun" quite literally translates into "Japan Business Newspaper."
Any better than "US News and World Report" or "Newsweek" or "BusinessWeek"?
Do you call Germany "Bundesrepublik Deutschland"?
No, but sometimes I call former East Germany "der DDR" when I want to make bad jokes about 4-arrow stepping games.
The way I see all this DRM issue heading is that the rootkit issue has hurt Sony a lot and forced them to rethink it. Hence the delay. This sounds like more than a DRM software upgrade issue. Something hardware based. Maybe even to cut costs.
That and didn't they just place an order for the circuit boards for the PS3 a few weeks back? Sounds like a delay on all areas of the machine. And games too since we havn't seen a damn thing yet.
A company will loose millions and getting a starting costumer base, becuase of their horrible copyright decisions. How many years before we start seeing companies blame their slacking profits on making bad DRM decisions or picking a DRM that didnt become the standard. I hope you loose most of your customers for this Sony your one of the Worst with DRM... Then again i installed a harddrive on my Media Center Edition and my M$ DRM thought i had copied it all to another computer and wouldnt let me watch my own damn files.
Dan Mayer: my blog, essays, art, etc
If you've been following it's development there are still tons of issues to work around. If they release before Novemember, they face massive shortages and lackluster launch titles, as well as increased costs. It's going to cost close to $800 per console. I'm guessing it will be sold for $650 with around a 100 dollar loss. Not good, at all.
EpiAdv - if you like Pokey the Penguin, try this comic!
Anybody surprised?
.: 2+2 = PI SQRT(1+N)
Samsung has been eating sony's lunch in many ways... maybe samsung could come out with a console. there is time if they start now, they could start with the next-gen.
If you've been following it's development
You misspelled "If you believe every single rumor on the internet"
On the other hand, the price that Microsoft is paying for its console will go down as well. And Microsoft can always come out with a "XBox360-Media" edition of the console that includes HD-DVD, DVR, and a big old hard drive for $50 cheaper then the PS3. At least, that's what I would do...
Spell cheek you've failed me four the last thyme!
This is kind of good in a way. Maybe the PS 3 will be a horrible failure because of this nonsense, and content distributors will finally realize that they shouldn't screw their consumers. It's a shame though, I was looking forward to the PS 3, but as a consumer I'm not going to buy into this garbage.
Has anyone considered the that this may be due to the fact that the PS2 is still selling well?
According to recent reports (mentioned here on slashdot) the PS2 is currently outselling the Xbox 369 in the USA and presumably in other places too. Perhaps sony don't want to kill their cash cow just yet, if it's still doing well.
Perhaps they think that it's worth waiting 'till they've got the PS3 right before they release it, they still hold the market, the 360 isn't quite the threat it could have been. The Revolution is the unknown factor in this, but maybe Sony sees a benefit in being the last to market.
I so hope this isn't the big announcement that was expected for tomorrow... or is it already tomorrow in Japan?
I wonder what these delays related to the copy-protection mean? Are they trying to make it sneakier by any chance? Kinda fitting that DRM would bite them in the rear for a second time in under 6 months...
Insert Sig Here
Gut feeling?
Why not facts?
Take the fact that the PS2 came out in October of 2000 - not November for instance...
I was in line on launch day - but you can also check Wikipedia also.
As a resident in Japan, I can tell you that reaction to this delay will be subdued and probably non-existent. In fact, I argue that sony picked the best time to announce this - one day before the relase of arguably the biggest game on the Japanese calendar - Final Fantasy XII. People here dont seem to care about the graphics or new specs as much - hence why the Xbox 360 has done so utterly poorly after its release here. Some slashdotters write about not being able to find an Xbox 360, I could walk into almost any electronics store in Tokyo and find one neglected on a back shelf. The Japanese will contently wait for the PS3, just like they have waited for Final Fantasy XII. Its not all about graphics to them, and they have enough games like FFX12 coming out on the PS2 to tide them over until November.
Holy crap. You really felt the need to blast the guy for having the month off by one?
Thanks for the heads up. What utter crap and here I thought the emulation was all bright and shiny.
Thanks.
Sony simply cannot release a $400 PS3 that plays Blu-ray discs when stand-alone players debut in May @ $800.
There has been much speculation regarding how Sony would handle this problem. Either make Blu-ray movie playing an extra charge or delay the PS3 so that the stand-alone players have time to sell to early adopters. Looks like the latter has been chosen.
Evidence: Stand-alone players debut in May with the very same DRM that Sony says will delay the ps3 until November.
Motive: Sony needs support from partners to make Blu-ray a standard for home entertainment. Those partners would be undercut by a PS3 that plays Blu-ray movies at half the price of a stand-alone player.
-Karl
PS. Personally I would think there are several reasons for the delay in addition to the above.
They haven't shown a single playable game, ever.
They haven't shown working hardware.
They haven't even shown the non-terrible controller.
And now they say that copyprotection is the reason for the delay?
I'm not quite sure which emperical evidence to believe, but they were nowhere near hitting their ship for Spring. Without hardware, software, or even finalized images, what were they going to sell? The letters "3" "S" and "P" printed on little cards?
They weren't ready, plain and simple. They probably held out announcing it for a little while in order to choke off X360 sales, but it has been clear for some time now. They just weren't ready.
The ______ Agenda
Completely off-topic (label it so if it pleases you), but I didn't get this story in first. Darn anonymous coward :-P
I 'spect the PS3'll be the last console to launch stateside.
DxBlog - It's where you want to be
I think these pictures tell it all. http://www.lunapark6.com/
Since xmas, xBox systems have been easily available on eBay.
This seems like buying pennies with $100 bills, 1:1. For every month Sony spends 'perfecting' its copy protection, they'll probably buy an extra hour before someone manages to circumvent it. Everything ends up rippable, yet the quality music/movies/games/apps still make money. If they want to earn from the PS3, they should get it into the market with some quality games, not concentrate on this buffoonery.
... it wasn't official the last two times?
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
They have working stuff for the video game end. You'll see tomorrow.
No, the dev systems currently used do not have BluRay drives. But whether the component output is rendered at high res or not has absolutely no impact on whether they can get drive mechanisms. It's basically a software issue, and that doesn't need to be nailed down until just before the device ships.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
"[...] the time when the corporations comprising the media cartels will be driven to paralysis by issues like DRM, and this is only the beginning."
I'd also point out that history is repeating itself.
One of the things that hurt Sony in developing a digital music player was the issue of DRM. "Oh, we can't sell a digital music player because people will have to rip their CDs and then they could share them with their friends over the Internet. The last thing we want to do is legitimize people ripping music from CDs. So until we can come up with a way to force the consumer to have to rebuy all their music to play it on a digital player, we'll just ignore the whole thing." Apple went and developed the iPod and shipped it about a year-and-a-half before developing a music store to sell DRMed music. Now Sony is left sucking wind releasing Walkman NW-2367s and Walkman Beans and trying to figure out why nobody cares about Sony's products.
By the time Sony gets their heads out of their hindquarters, gets everything all synched up between all their divisions so that they get "maximum synergy," and releases the PlayStation 3, consumers will have all moved on to Xbox Home Entertainment Systems or Revolutions or something else. Once again, Sony will be left holding the bag and saying, "Pay attention to me! I'm relevant!"
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
Besides, developers need another year to get programming techniques for the Cell processor figured out.
The artical says official twice.
But the story says:
"Today, Sony officially conceded defeat to the recent flurry of rumors and speculation, with Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun reporting the machine has been pushed back until November."
And then it says:
"When asked for a comment, a Sony Computer Entertainment America spokesperson only went on record saying that SCEI has not issued any official statement itself yet."
The delay is not official. There is no official statement.
More rumor reported as fact.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
I wonder if they think it's worth it. Will this copy protection make up for the loss in sales that it caused? It's sure as hell not gonna win them any customer relations awards, so it better at least do that.
does this mean that Duke Nukem Forever could be a launch title?
How does this hurt Sony when no one can get the 360 anyway? By the time the 360s are readily available, the Rev and Ps3 will be about to hit the shelves and most parents will be in the 'wait until Christmas' mode. Sony knows this, and are just making sure their product is not rushed to market. Just like in games, I am happy when releases are delayed, as long as that delay is less than 9 years (and counting).
Not only that, it was October 26, less than a week from November.
Devil + Details = All me baby!
This ain't Digg.
The PS2 launch for instance was a disaster. I strongly suspect that the PS3 will be just as bad - if not worse. If the 360 had an expectation boat-anchor around it's neck, then the PS3's neck might as well be tied to the Titanic. But the reality is far more interesting AFTER launch. Which is where it really gets painful for the 360 at present.
For instance, I could pine on how cool it was to be in line at launch in San Francisco (in October) and the food services that were provided for people as wll as the line holder passes that allowed hundreds of game geeks to decend en-masse into the nearest bars at the Metreon. But the "real" news was within a year games like GTA appeared on a game console that was a previous seasonal must-have / couldn't-get.
The launch line-up wasn't stellar - but SSX and others at least made the system look credible and was enough to cause Sega to pull their plug in short-order. A decent genuine buzz hasn't happened yet on the Xbox side outside of manufactured marketing. But then I don't write anyone off in their first year generally - unless you're Infinium Labs Inc. - in which case you're doomed doomed doomed - doomed doomed - comma comma - doomed.
All of these observations and facts are a far cry from somone's "gut". Not excluding PR farts - which of course the media is inhaling deeply at the moment.
And the winners are...
3. TivoToGo for Mac
2. Optimus keyboard
1. Playstation 3
The irony is that the DRM and control-your-customers mindset that Sony's media divisions have insisted on is proving to hurt Sony in the marketplace, rather than helping it.
He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
I'm really skeptical of them to deliver markedly improved graphics over a 360. I mean let's look at the siutation these days: Consoles don't get custom graphics chips like they used to. Basically what they get is a slightly modified version of the then current top of the line form their supplier. The graphics companies are working at a breakneck pace producing new hardware for PCs, they simply lack the time and technology to make something radically different, yet still powerful. The chips they make for consoles are just mods. On the 360 for example it has embedded RAM and of course uses the same RAM as the CPU for the rest of it's stuff, it's not on a PCI bus or anything, but it's the same basic graphics hardware.
Microsoft went with ATi, thus the 360 chip is somewhere on par with the X1900 (note they both run at 500MHz are are 48 pipe cores). Sony is going with nVidia, meaing they are probably getting something that's like a 7800 or 7900... Well as it happens, those are on the same plance, features and performance wise. Fanboys can argue till they are blue in the face about which one is better, and different agmes show different things, but fact remains that neither is strikingly superior to the other.
So, unless Sony is banking on nVidia having a new architecture out by November in sufficient quantities for their launch (which seems kinda unlikely, the 7900 JUST launched last week) and they are confident that all the development they've done now will be valid on it, it's a pretty safe bet that it's going to be a chip around the 7800 or 7900's capabilities. Excellent, but no 360 killer. I have a 7800 and I love it, but I can't say it looks better than a 360, even with the more powerful system backing it up.
shimbun or shinbun?
I'll probably get modded down for making this post, but hey what the hell.
It's been a lot of fun seeing all of the Sony fanbois in disarray. For months they've been claiming and hoping that Sony would "drop the bomb" on everyone and make their Spring release. That surely all of the secrecy MUST be a sign that Sony is just that confident. In the meantime, they'll broadcast whatever FUD they can against the 360 and the Revolution. The PS3 is just around the corner! It'll be 100x better than anything MS or Nintendo can ever offer! Blu-ray for all! Next-gen won't start until SONY says so!
Umm, sure, whatever. Go ahead and ignore all the signs and advice all the rational folks are giving. Look, I play my fair share of PS2 games (thanks mostly to the fine folks at Square-Enix and Nippon Ichi), and I can't wait to see the next RPGs for a next-gen system. But even I could see the signs a mile away. I guess I'll just have to wait and see what shows up for the 360 and Revolution for this year. (I wonder how many PS2-exclusive developers are now knocking on MS and Nintendo's doors?)
-- jchenx
Didnt Ken Kuturagi say... Sony's biggest mistake was not being open to standard formats when refering to Sony's stance on portable devices (mp3, mini disc, and psp)
Oddly enough PSP has poor support for standard formats.
It seems like Sony hasnt learned a dam thing and Ken Kuturagi (playstation creator) is a liar, and has no honor.
Sony has been a sinking ship for sometime now. Playstation was their last success. I guess the mighty sony has finally fallen.
DRM is the hold up? And i'm supposed to give a shit how?! Fuck you Sony. If you can not deliver a device on time that isnt obsolete by the time it hits the self.... I couldnt care one bit.
Remember Sony... WE PAY FOR YOUR EXISTANCE... Stop fucking the consumer and maybe you're company will be good again. Even Panasonic has you beat in high end broadcast HD cameras. You suck.
Sony is waiting for Toy Story to finish rendering on the box.
2003 Operating Income (Yen in billions)
2004 Operating Income (Yen in billions) 2005 Operating Income (Yen in billions): Of course, Electronics (which doesn't include Playstation) has the largest portion of sales (66.5% in 2005). But Games (includes consoles) brought in the most operating income in 2003 and 2004. In 2005, Games income dropped below Pictures (movies, tv) and Financial Services, but maybe that's because the PS2 is becoming a stale platform.TO START
PRESS ANY KEY
Where's the 'ANY' key? I see Esk, Kitarl, and Pig-Up...
Just a few months ago in Business time, Sony hired a big dumb
ugly white Caucasian to be its International CEO.
Trouble - the big dumb ugly white Caucasian thought "wrongly" that
he actually had a job discription to go along with the pay.
Now, Sony is in the grips of rapture that its cash cow has "mad
cow disease."
Pitty.
When I was a kid, all the cool hardware came from Japan.
Now, all the cool hardware comes from anywhere other than
Japan.
Toodles!
I guess it's too soon to start counting. Based on the pre-release hype of the "next next gen" consoles, it sure feels that way though. How long have I been hearing about the CELL process? Good grief.
Let's look on the bright side. If Sony was practically ready for a spring or summer launch, minus blu-ray, then doesn't this mean that a delayed launch will have double helpings of what the 360's more hurried launch was lacking? I'm sure Sony realizes what waiting this long means, but they know how they creamed the last two generations, and so I expect them to have a very, very strong lineup at launch time (which, from what I've heard so far, seems likely. At least as far as games I want to play go, I can't speak for everyone). Another possible bonus in delay is the fact that first-gen models of Playstations are notoriously glitchy. Maybe if the design people get an unexpected couple of extra months to troubleshoot, this won't be an issue.
Also, as much as I don't like this in-your-face copy protection, can someone please tell me which of the last generation of consoles (excluding Dreamcast) played burned games out of the box? It's something I've more or less grown accustomed to, and I find it very likely that despite their best efforts the thing will be cracked.
Sendou Wave Kick!!
Quote : "that creates a worrisome scenario for America and Europe.".
No. Worrisome is when you have an unexpected tissue growth under your skin. Worrisome is when your state/country begins to write law about censorship and reducing free speech like they print bank notes. Worrisome is when your neighbour country (or nearly) starts showing the finger to everybody and go on a cruisade to develop nuclear weapon. That is the definition of worrisome. The PS3 delaying for USA and EU by a few months is at best annoying or even disappointing, but if it make you build up worry you really need a better life.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
The bluray format only has 3 regions, and it's a step in the right direction for DRM. I personally perfer being able to play asian and american discs on the same device. Read that again a Japanese and US PS3 should be able to play each others _movies_ not just games.
Did they had problems with their Playstations 3 getting infested with rootkits?
If there was ever a company that managed to fuck up every single advantage it ever had, purely out of greed, it is Sony. I have never ever seen any other company suffer such satanically huge incompetence despite having a treasure trove of products which are market leaders. For example
1. The Sony Walkman. It was an enormous success, the first portable, stylish casette player. some 25 years later, Sony is still trying to capitalise off their sucees by calling their poor imitation iPods and CellPhones (and fucking CD players and radios and everything) "Walkman". Here's a clue, you brainless bunch of fuckers: My generation, the ones that bought the walkman back then, is not the same as the one buying iPods today. Today they have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
2. The playstation. Another enormous sucess, followed by the PS2, which, very uncharacteristically of Sony, was also a success. But now, Sony is starting to do its usual trick of fucking up a phenomenally successful product by trying to screw the consumer over with greed in the way the Blue Ray crap is implemented.
Congratulations Microsoft. You just won the race to market leadership.
To be fair, I suspect the Parent is not the only person reading this news who feels something strange around his gut area.
The delays are because the Blueray developers couldn't agree on a standard for the DRM aspect of it until sometime 1Q 2006. This delayed the manufacture of BR Drives, which will delay the launch of the PS3. It's not because they couldn't get any aspect of it to perform, it was a question of ironing out the standards before launch.
Any fool can criticise, condemn, and complain, and most fools do. - Benjamin Franklin
Halo 3 release delayed until November.
The "classic" DVD specification has the same idea as Blu-Ray with regard to key revocation. Each disk is encrypted with a random key selected at mastering time. The key is then stored 1000 times* on the disk, with each copy encrypted with one of the "player" keys that were assigned when the specification was made.
Each model of player has one of these keys. The idea is that if a key is stolen or reverse engineered, the movie industry will simply blacklist that key by not putting the disk key for that particular player on the disk. New movies released after the key was "revoked" would not work on the model of player that was cracked.
This scheme works well to limit the damage. In DVD's case, however, it did not matter at all. Once the algorithm was reverse engineered, it was quickly realized that the algorithm itself was faulty, and it was possible to quickly discover the keys with a kind of brute force. All 1000+ player keys were figured out, and the scheme could never be used.
This will not happen with Blu-Ray. They use AES-128, a formally standardized encryption algorithm highly trusted by most cryptographers including the NSA. Because of this, it's much more likely that the key revocation system would actually be used.
The only thing that really limits the use of such a system is consumer backlash. Nobody wants to have to return their Blu-Ray player for "repair" just because some guy on the Internet happened to have that model and cracked it.
* Unsure of exact number of copies.
Melissa
"Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language." - Visual J++ Product Manager
Announcement on Playstation.jp - http://www.playstation.jp/news/2006/pr_060315_ps3. html
And some pics from the news conference on Famitsu - http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/03/15/103,11 42401068,50042,0,0.html
They're going to do a worldwide simultaneous launch in November...
It reminds me sooo much the Nintendo 64, which was the end of Nintendo's reign. The main question is now: will the major game makers turn to microsoft (or nintendo) to save their earnings for years 2006/2007?
PS3 will be released with Duke Nukem Forever bundled! (Plus a rootkit, but they won't tell you.)
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4807858.stm
Key points:
Sony games chief Ken Kutaragi said they were still finalising agreements on disc copy protection technology...
The news was announced at a hastily convened news conference, after reports of a delay appeared in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, Japan's main financial daily newspaper...
The reports had triggered a 1.8% drop in Sony's shares to 5,470 yen ($46.56; £26.67) on the Tokyo market...
November [b]release in Japan, the US and Europe simultaneously[/b]...
"We are absolutely delighted that we will be able to bring PS3 to gamers in Europe and Australia before Christmas," said David Reeves, head of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe.
A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
Why cant MS get at least most of the popular games recompiled, ie, a new exe, for x360 ?
Surely the companies could do it easily. Even if it is 1-4weeks per game using 1 employee.
Maybe in time.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145972.html
Kutaragi told the crowd at the event that the PS3 would now launch in November 2006 worldwide.
.... you fools are still buying shit from Sony after the little DRM fiasco? I don't care if it's a different division, it all profits the same people. What do they have to do, shoot your fucking dog before you'll learn?
Jaysyn
There is a war going on for your mind.
forget about copy protection and sell it now. 2 months after release the copy protection will be broken anyway!!!
I suppose if a market "owner" like Nintendo could get reduced to a bit player by a format dispute with industry players (playstation was supposed to be an add on for SNES) the same could happen to sony.
Maybe nintendo could regain its market share crown at the end of this round? 360 has nothing even remotely approaching a killer app and if Halo3 is as underwhelming a development as halo2 was this isnt going to change soon.
Nintendo need to court the big 3rd parties (EA) with their licensed ticklist shovelware that everyone seems to buy and then i think they could steal back a lot of market share, and maybe even become market leaders again. But then again, they seem to carry on undaunted even when they are marginalised so it won't matter if they dont.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
Now, and this is where is gets interesting, if MS pumps enough R&D money into Xbox 720 and ramps up development speed they could get a fairly good way through the development process of the next console. They could even incorporate technologies that need to mature (i.e. blue-ray or HD-DVD) and sit on the ideas until ready to go. If PS3 hits Europe summer of 2006, and Microsoft can get Xbox 720 starting to be talked about by about the same time and look for an Xmas 2008 or summer 2008 release (1 year earlier than a 4-year turnaround) they could trounce on Sony. Remember that the Xbox 360 was release Xmas 2005 around the globe. If Europe doesn't get PS3 until Summer 2007 that is 1.5 years already into production Xbox 360. With PS3 prices being so high (as is the general assumption/agreement), the Xbox 360 will still sell as competitor to PS3. But if people see Xbox 720 in another year to year and a half time, would they not wait and see again? If Microsoft offered a rebate against an Xbox 360, this could also put another angle on the situation.
.Microsoft is king of taking advantage of competitor errors (and making them themselves but they tend to have the money to get them out again) and with Sony shedding employees to cut the bottom line this whole story is going to become ever more interesting.
Karem
When all is said and done, nothing changes...
Why do the japs hate the 360, is it 100% pure racism? That the americans
that dropped two nukes can make a better console???
Common???
Bottom line, x360 is WAY BETTER than PS2!!!, PS3??? who knows, only poor schuck students can afford only one, and any
person on basic wages can afford BOTH!!! thats the bottom line.
I think they just cant accept the fact that the x360 is better, screw those wierdo adventure looser games. We want pure
100% fun games. Get a clue!!!!
Ofcourse japanese pay too much for sushi and noodles and hotels, they can afford a console thats $299 USD.
They are racist against USA.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Yay for more smoke being blown at us by Sony.
7 8
- launch-blu-ray-vaio-pcs-in-mid.php
They claim that Blu-Ray is the problem, yet they're selling Blu-Ray DVR's in Japan? Give me a break. http://www.japan-direct.com/cartitem.asp?prodid=5
Or how about this: http://www.blu-ray-technology.com/2006/03/sony-to
They're planning on launching Vaio's with BR drives by middle of the year? Funny that the Vaio team isn't having DRM problems.
Oh wait. "The first consumer Blu-ray Disc players are due on May 23 when Samsung Electronics launches a player. On the same day Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Lionsgate Films will launch several movies on Blu-ray Disc."
So what's the real reason Ken?
Insert Sig Here
The release is going to be "worldwide" (well, just Asia, North America and Europe) in November. That's according to IGN.com
I mean, this is Slashdot and all, but still!
Being that roughly the same quality graphics chips are being used, we will get pretty much the same quality gaming experience this November, that we could have gotten last November, I don't see how this isn't bad for Sony. I was waiting for the PS3, but i'll go ahead and spring for the Xbox. You can't lag a competitor by a year on a next generation machine that (from all accounts) provides a very similar gaming experience. Sony has been sitting back and resting on it's market dominance for some time (even releasing the PSP after Christmas last year when the DS was released before). IMHO, Sony is to gaming what Microsoft is to computing. Overconfident. I think the lack of urgency is going to bite Sony in the ass at some point.
...That could save Sony in the long run.
Sony should admit that cannot make the Christmas 2006 shipping date and instead aim for a February 2007 release, complete with a marketing campaign about "getting out of the winter doldrums" with the PlayStation 3.
When you live in Europe. This is GOOD news, as we were originally getting PS3 early 2007, now it's Nov 2006. Good move on Sony to release in all regions simultaniously. I think the original plan was for June for Japan, October for USA, Jan 2007 for Europe, so the US release is only a month later than originally planed, and still in-time for Xmas. It also means longer time for developers to get their games upto scratch, and more time for Sony to sort PSP and online gaming integration. Good news all round...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who took off the blinders and realized that Blu-ray isn't just Sony. No one else is reporting issues with the spec, and are still on track for the May debut. There has to be other reasons afoot.
Maybe the fact that analysts are only expecting 5 - 10 launch titles? *crosses fingers for "The Bouncer 2"*
Insert Sig Here
You say you want a Revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about Playstation
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you got a Xbox Circle
Well, you know
We'd love to see it in stores, man
You ask me for date of fruition
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you give money
to people with systems late
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...
You say you'll change the copy protection
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the software pirates
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Solid Snake now
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
I'm noticing that many here immediately look to Microsoft as Sony's major concern. So many people here willing to get down on their knees to fellate one of the two megacorporations in this console war..
In America, where we like games to reflect our love of all things intellectual (boobs/blood/guns), MS stands to gain more than Nintendo.
But a friendly reminder: in Japan, Nintendo is Sony's bigger threat. This has powerful implications, and one would be smart to remember this.
It's like Sony is determined to ruin their business over DRM. First the CD thing, now they're actually pushing back the PS3 by the better part of a year because of DRM issues (and thus letting MS steal all their market share).
Serves 'em right... though if they're the only serious competitor to MS in this arena I wish they could stop being so damned stupid.
That $800 price tag is only speculation. Furthermore, Sony would have to be idiots to try to price their console so much higher than the competition. Even at $600, people would look at the PS3 and pass it by. I'm pretty sure that's why the Phillips CD-i never went anywhere.
But you're also talking about a very very lossy compression scheme (DVD) vs. a much lower loss compression scheme (HDDVD and BluRay) for both video and audio.
I'm not saying people will care, but the difference isn't just in resolution. The compression artifacts on DVD are a big part of the reason DVD's don't look so great on HDTV's.
I have no idea why one of my least insightful posts gets a +5, probably because i was negative on the ps3's future.
Hmmm... Pie...
Most people i know (actually 100% of them) don't have a modded ps2. It seemed more popular on the psone and even the xbox.
But your average gamer almost definately won't have made any such modifications that would most likely void the warranty anyway to allow them to play copied stuff.
If he did, then i don't think he'd be too surprised at the results if he allowed any phonehome type feature.
Hmmm... Pie...
"Today, Sony officially conceded defeat to the recent flurry of rumors and speculation, with Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun reporting the machine has been pushed back until November" - from both the article AND the summary so you didn't even need to work too hard for it. And then confirmation from their official news conference, linked at the top of the actual article "PlayStation 3 will not release until November 2006, as previously reported earlier today" but I won't hold that against you since you posted this yesterday before the conference but hello, come on now read the fricking article or at least the synopsis. Whatever, even what you're saying doesn't make sense because the parent post is talking about PS3's launch and you're just going nutbag suggesting they launch after the PS3 so I guess your strategy is for Sony to launch a PS3 in November when they say they're going to launch, after the PS3 is secretly launched in October, to avoid the hype? WTF? Read what you write! PS, had a few minutes to kill, wanted to know if you're always this stupid, laughed my butt off at your journal! "I'm in the Who's Who in the World!" - You and everyone else that fell for that scam. Here's how it works, we put out a book and tell people that they'll get included for no obligation, BUT they should really buy a $60 copy to commemorate the event. Maybe even buy extras. You don't buy the book you have no idea if you're actually in it, but if you do buy the book of course they're going to put you in because you spent $60 (maybe more, I started throwing out those envelopes years ago) in what is widely acknowledged as one of the greatest vanity press scams since those poetry contest (but let me guess, you too were amongst the very select few to make it to the semi-final rounds, with a chance to win 10,000 and guaranteed publication in the newest poetry anthology Under A Dog-Faced Heartmoon.) Do a quick google of your book and you know what you're going to see? A whole bunch of random people who didn't actually do anything but graduate from a school of higher education and fell for the BS. Now, google search a random sampling of them and you'll find that their only accomplishment was in getting into WWotW. Now, actually compare that to the number of real honest to goodness people that would belong in an actual Who's Who style book, or as we referred to them back in the day, an encyclopedia, and you'll see that most of them aren't there. Go figure. Yes, I'm sure the book itself includes some free profiles of President Clinton (who knows not to waste his $60 on that crap) and some Hollywood stars, maybe some notable politicians, but dude, learn to tell a vanity scam when you see it. Dude, you made my week!
But you're also talking about a very very lossy compression scheme (DVD) vs. a much lower loss compression scheme (HDDVD and BluRay) for both video and audio.
Sure, MPEG-4 is more efficient than MPEG-2, but another major part of the problem is that too many commercial DVDs are mastered at less than maximum bitrate in order to fit them on a single layer, which is cheaper to replicate, or to fit both the feature film and the extras on a single disc, which is also cheaper to replicate. I've been told that Superbit series DVDs still look good on larger sets.